A Poor State Of Affairs


From here,

Another fact we’re not allowed to talk about: black families were doing better than white families in the U.S. before the welfare state was set up in the 1960s. Yes, they were actually outpacing white families in economic growth, and they had very similar rates of marriage and unemployment. Before the “Great Society” program was established in 1964 by former President Lyndon B. Johnson, a black child had a very good likelihood of being born into a home with both of their biological parents. Black men were doing excellently in the workforce and maintaining a steady upward trajectory in the career force. 

So why are you not allowed to talk about it?

Keep in mind, this was before the Civil Rights Act of 1964. This was during a point in America’s history where racism actually was systemic. And yet, black communities were absolutely thriving, without any assistance whatsoever from the government.

This in and of itself disproves the entire idea that systemic racism is today’s cause of rampant inner-city crime, high unemployment rates, the number of single motherhood households, and disproportionately high imprisonment rates. Because if systemic racism really did have these kinds of negative effects on black individuals, we would not have seen such high rates of marriage, employment, and economic growth in black communities in the first half of the 20th century.

Yes, about that systemic racism thing? Can anybody be precise with what and where it is?

When you learn about the “Great Society” legislation in universities today, you’re taught that this was a just, beneficial thing for black America. More government assistance! More money pumped into the ghettos! We’re gonna help single moms take care of their kids! The welfare state offered more government assistance to inner-city mothers who weren’t married to the father of their children. In other words, women were incentivized not to marry the father of their children. Why bother with getting married to pay the bills when the government is more than happy to pay them for you? 

Some people just don’t seem to get this; and I don’t get that. Are they being deliberately stupid?

Economists have told us for years that human beings respond to incentives above all else. That’s why it’s no surprise that before the “Great Society” program was instilled, roughly 20-25% of black mothers were single moms. (Even back then, economists were concerned that those high rates would have negative consequences on the younger generation.) Today, that rate has risen to a whopping 72%.

Why is this statistic so important? Even former President Barack Obama urged black America to consider the devastating effects that fatherlessness has in our society. A child raised without a father is 9 times more likely to drop out of high school, 5 times more likely to commit a crime, 5 times more likely to live in poverty, and 20 times more likely to end up in prison.

So yes, it is about the children. People care about the children, don’t they?

So I have pretty much told this story to lots of people over the years. I get many responses, from shrugs, to denial, to we need to keep the money flowing because we are good people. The question is: How can people ignore something so blatant? Perhaps being woke/liberal means that cognitive dissonance does not apply? Maybe it applies harder, explaining why they often seem to be so maladjusted. What do you think?

So what about the women here? What do they get out it? They often live miserable lives, with dysfunctional this and dysfunctional that. They do get their choice of hot men though. Is it a good tradeoff?

Exit Question: What is to be done?

Posted in alpha fux, beta bux, FarmBoy, Trainwreck, Why
82 comments on “A Poor State Of Affairs
  1. Farm Boy says:

    I wonder if Great Society Liberals should apologize…

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  2. https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2021/02/04/Microsoft-introduces-Viva-software-for-remote-work/3881612454562/

    “As the world of work changes, the next horizon of innovation will come from a focus on creativity, engagement and wellbeing so organizations can build cultures of resilience and ingenuity,” Microsoft 365’s Corporate Vice President Jared Spataro said in the statement. “Our vision is to deliver a platform for the employee experience that helps organizations create a thriving culture with engaged employees and inspired leaders.” …

    The wellbeing module, Viva Insights, has personal experiences and insights visible only to the employee to “help individuals protect time for regular breaks, focused work and learning, as well as strengthen relationships with their colleagues,” Microsoft’s statement said. “Managers and leaders can see trends at team and organization level, as well as recommendations to better balance productivity and wellbeing.”

    Bullshit. It’s to help corps spy on their WFH employees. Creativity, engagement and wellbeing? Fuck off. Pay me fairly for the work I do and otherwise leave me the fuck alone. I don’t want to “engage”. You don’t care about my “wellbeing” other than trying to squeeze every bit of profitable productivity you can out of each cog in the machine.

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  3. The GOP is DOA.

    Feb. 3 (UPI) — House Republicans voted to allow Rep. Liz Cheney to keep her leadership role within the chamber after she voted to impeach former President Donald Trump last month.

    GOP lawmakers voted 145-61 in favor of keeping Cheney as House Republican Conference Chair — the third highest-ranking party position in the chamber — in a closed-door meeting on Wednesday night, NBC News reported.

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  4. SFC Ton says:

    There was a not small percentage of black folks who opposed the civil rights act, integration and what not.

    Which is why Wallace did better then folks would expect with black voters in Alabama and Malcom X was hugely opsec to various White liberals ideals and programs

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  5. Cheque d'Out says:

    Great news, fellow suckers!

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  6. Science doesn’t “evolve”.

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  7. https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2021/02/04/Biden-orders-increase-of-refugee-admissions-to-125000-by-2022/3951612479846/

    So, what exactly are the crime thoughts that get me labeled a domestic terrorist, or is being white enough on its own?

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  8. Sharkly says:

    I believe it has been said that, “Systemic Racism” is the kind of phantom racism you claim to be battling when you don’t have that many actual individual instances of racism that you can point to.
    Most of our purported hate crimes are just “Jussie Smollett” self victimization ploys by race hustlers and those seeking to benefit from self concocted victimhood. As the post points out, the real victimization is fatherlessness during childhood promoted as a Marxist/Feminist agenda.

    The Marxist/Feminists want to destroy the nuclear family. They believe a traditional Christian/patriarchal family is an enslavement of the wife, because they consider her to be equal to her husband, who then rules over his equal in an unequal arrangement. They don’t consider wives to have been created secondly, as weaker vessels, for men to rightly rule over like how a father also rightly rules over his children. They believe women, as a class, can’t achieve parity in the workforce, mainly because childcare duties traditionally are delegated to women causing a break and loss of focus in their careers. So they want all children to be raised by the government, since they also believe families pass on their “bad” traditional/religious beliefs to children. They believe homeschooling families are the worst about passing on these values to their children which conflict with their religion of godless Marxism.

    The problem is that most Churchians believe the satanic blue-pill lie that women and men are equal, and that a truly patriarchal family, like the Bible commands, would then be an unjust enslavement of the wife. So they take away men’s headship with ploys like “SERVANT leadership” and empower rebellious wives by declaring all attempts to control a woman to be “abuse”, to try to make things more equal, but really that only creates improperly functioning marriages, or families that can’t function. And although men and women are quite often poisoned and destroyed by this foolishness, children bear the brunt of it, before they are old enough to fight against the crippling satanic poison that is being ingrained into their minds.

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  9. Sharkly says:

    Science doesn’t “evolve”.

    Whatever do you mean? I thought science was a process where, by trial and error, theories are refined, evolving towards a consistent repeatable rule.

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  10. Cill says:

    A child raised without a father is 9 times more likely to drop out of high school, 5 times more likely to commit a crime, 5 times more likely to live in poverty, and 20 times more likely to end up in prison.

    This is destroying the West.

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  11. SFC Ton says:

    There is no crime in being White

    It is however a crime to White and unashamed of your forefathers, culture, heritage etc etc.

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  12. Agree with the second. Pretty sure the first is in a bill making its way through committee right now though.

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  13. SFC Ton says:

    A lot of things are destroying the West. Most of it is about Westren men embracing non Westren ways, cultures, people’s, religions etc etc

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  14. Sorry if someone already shared this, “absolute proof” of election tampering by Mike Lindell. Just dropped today, I have not watched it but am going to now:

    [Oddly enough, censored it was]

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  15. Farm Boy says:

    Them’s some pricey optics: Deploying those 26,000 National Guard troops in DC cost nearly $500 MILLION in taxpayer dollars

    https://notthebee.com/article/thems-some-pricey-optics-placing-those-26000-national-guard-troops-in-dc-cost-500-million-in-taxpayer-dollars

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  16. Farm Boy says:

    “Ocasio-Cortez also observed that it’s a painful fact for many survivors of trauma that they must deal with people who try to minimize what they experienced when they tell their stories, in an effort to silence them.

    It took less than 48 hours for the right-wing disinformation machine to contrive a way to minimize what Ocasio-Cortez said she had experienced.”

    Notice the unpartisan language up above? Remember, every right-wing outlet is part of the “disinformation machine,” while CNN, MSNBC, and WaPo never lie about anything like Russia buying off a president ever

    https://notthebee.com/article/snopes-goes-full-clown-town-calls-stories-pointing-out-aocs-lies-about-the-capitol-riot-mostly-false

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  17. Farm Boy says:

    Fox News host Tucker Carlson reported exclusively on Thursday night that Bank of America is allegedly turning over private information about its customers to federal law enforcement officials — without the knowledge or consent of its customers — in an apparent effort to identify those who participated in the January 6 riot at the U.S. Capitol Building.

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/bank-of-america-is-without-the-knowledge-or-the-consent-of-customers-sharing-private-info-with-feds-tucker-carlson-reports

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  18. Farm Boy says:

    COVID Cases Mysteriously Cut In Half Since Election, Deaths Below 90K Natationally Since First Time Since Thanksgiving…

    https://www.weaselzippers.us/463933-covid-cases-mysteriously-cut-in-half-since-election-below-90k-natationally-since-first-time-since-thanksgiving/

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  19. JPF says:

    So what about the women here? What do they get out it? They often live miserable lives, with dysfunctional this and dysfunctional that.

    At least some women like drama. I have known women that create drama; some apparently for attention, others to deflect attention from the fact that they are about to be proven wrong.
    So I am not convinced that all women would see a life with dysfunctions as a negative. Especially if it gets them victimhood attention and sympathy.

    Exit Question: What is to be done?

    Refuse any charity, both government and private, for any adult woman that is not a widow. Harlots and divorced women are ineligible.
    Refuse any charity, both government and private, for any children that are not orphans. Yes the lives of children in a harlot-led home will suck; but encouraging and supporting these harlots will directly lead to more of them. Case study: The black community and the government programs mentioned in the OP.

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  20. Uh hmmm, “At this point, what difference does it make?” Biden is in, Trump is out. No one who doesn’t already believe the election was stolen (it was) is going to be convinced otherwise. Stop perseverating over something that is over and done with.

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  21. Farm Boy says:

    An MSNBC host suggested that Americans who criticize COVID lockdowns should be treated as domestic terrorists and hit with drone strikes and it barely even caused a ripple.

    https://summit.news/2021/02/05/msnbc-host-suggests-drone-striking-americans-who-criticize-covid-lockdowns/

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  22. Farm Boy says:

    UN Women’s “Equity” Group: To Reach Their Highest Human Potential, Men Must Become Female

    http://ace.mu.nu/archives/392530.php

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  23. Above image didn’t include the text:

    Joe Biden Fingering A Minor On The Cover Of GQ Magazine.

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  24. If that link won’t work try this:

    Or more quickly to the video
    https://www.bitchute.com/video/FwX3oxjHqhE2/

    https://www.bitchute.com/video/1KQpm4kDMAEh/

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  25. SFC Ton says:

    Drone pilots can do what they want down range because their familes are safe and 1000’s of miles away from the action

    That won’t be how it plays out when the goverment starts it’s bulshit up state side. Yeah the shot callers will be safe enough but the troops on the ground will all have easy to reach soft spots locally

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  26. Ame says:

    JPF – refuse help to women whose husbands left them and their children and divorced them against her will and desires, too?

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  27. Going by the image, I think 18 or 19 masks should get ‘er done.

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  28. O’ Casper-io the Ghost?

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  29. Cill says:

    Yoda I done a draft.

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  30. Sumo says:

    Also, part 2 of the burger saga is good to go.

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  31. Cill says:

    Let there be a post-off.

    [Darth Maul versus Moe it should be]

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  32. Farm Boy says:

    The newest Star Wars: The High Republic novel — Claudia Gray’s Into the Dark — sheds new light on the Jedi in regards to sex — namely that they needn’t be completely celibate.

    https://www.cbr.com/star-wars-high-republic-jedi-intimacy/

    [Explains how allowed to like boobs I do]

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  33. Farm Boy says:

    Time Publishes an Astonishing Story About a ‘Cabal’ and ‘Shadow Campaign’ That Helped Biden Win

    https://pjmedia.com/columns/stacey-lennox/2021/02/05/time-writes-an-astonishing-story-about-a-cabal-that-fortified-the-2020-election-but-it-sounds-like-rigging-n1423401

    [Not so ethical/legal it would be]

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  34. Farm Boy says:

    We have used the combination of ivermectin and doxycyclin to successfully treat over three lakh home-isolated patients with mild symptoms so far. This combination has also been used by the hospitals across the state for admitted COVID-19 patients. But what is more interesting is the state’s successful use of ivermectin as a prophylactic.

    https://indianexpress.com/article/opinion/columns/coronavirus-pandemic-covid-vaccine-tracker-uttar-pradesh-7107756/

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  35. Farm Boy says:

    Now this is exactly what those individuals who assert election fraud are attempting to do. They pose general questions such as “How likely is it that Joe Biden could have won so overwhelmingly when he couldn’t even rustle up more than a handful of people at his rallies?” or “What is the probability of so many voters voting exclusively for the president and no one else on the ballot?” Those familiar with the issue can offer manifold examples of their own.

    It is most important, however, to emphasize that those individuals who ask these questions are engaging rationally with the logic of the context. And the questions surrounding probability (and improbability) are the essential indicators that something might be amiss. Situations that involve a staggering number of improbabilities demand investigation. It is the height of irresponsibility to ignore them and no one can claim any degree of intellectual integrity if they do. Ignoring the illogical and the improbable is tantamount to abdicating reason itself.

    https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2021/02/election_fraud_many_conspiracies_arise_from_a_rational_foundation.html

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  36. Cheque d'Out says:

    Clearly 1970’s dystopian futures were too optimistic
    16 episodes over 2 series

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  37. Cheque d'Out says:

    Made shortly before Thatcher came to power. I gather that it shows the reasons that brought her to power.

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  38. Cheque d'Out says:

    Still…never mind eh?

    Chins up

    [A fine legacy this would be]

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  39. Cheque d'Out says:


    Don’t see that it means much unless The Donald returns to the Whitehouse

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  40. Cill says:

    “Merkel’s disastrous legacy is Brexit and a broken EU” and a disastrous increase in murder and rape out of Africa and Islam

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  41. SFC Ton says:

    Don’t see that it means much unless The Donald returns to the Whitehouse
    ……

    Yup

    That or serious jail time

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  42. Ame says:

    things that make me think i live in a different galaxy:

    [Know the feeling I do]

    a friend posted one of those q/a things on fb about how you met your spouse … things like where was your first date – fun and silly things. hers is cute – i love them. they’ve been together a long time.

    anyway, a friend of hers answered the questions in the comments, and when it asked how did you meet, she said, “While my ex was cheating with my BFF, I was on a chat room called ‘Married and Cheating,’ and met him there.”

    i swear … i know this stuff goes on, but . . . i’m speechless. sitting here with my jaw dropped.

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  43. Gunner Q says:

    “Don’t see that it means much unless The Donald returns to the Whitehouse”

    A housecleaning is typical following any revolution. I was expecting Arkancides rather than simple resignations, however. And Bezos, at least, is staying in Amazon at a reduced capacity. Both he and CNN’s Zucker are resigning later in 2021, too. These aren’t sudden resignations followed by flights beyond extradition.

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  44. Ame says:

    Ame
    1h ago
    things that make me think i live in a different galaxy:

    [Know the feeling I do]

    Yoda – you’re awesome!!!

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  45. Farm Boy says:

    Some of the CDC’s other suggestions for Super Bowl celebrations are below:

    Wear a mask with two or more layers to stop the spread of COVID-19 to protect yourself and others.

    In cold weather, wear your mask under your scarf, ski mask, or balaclava

    Guests should avoid direct contact, including handshakes and hugs, with others not from their household.

    For a virtual celebration, schedule a time to eat a meal together virtually and have people show their main dish, vegetable, or dessert.

    The CDC is even telling people how to behave while attending and hosting any Super Bowl gatherings:

    Avoid shouting, cheering loudly, or singing. Clap, stomp your feet, or bring (or provide) hand-held noisemakers instead.

    Keep background music volume low so guests don’t need to shout.

    Have one person serve all the food.

    Offer no-touch trash cans for guests to easily throw away food items

    https://www.kusi.com/cdc-releases-guidelines-for-super-bowl-parties-including-no-cheering/

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  46. Cill says:

    Spawny I hear the UK is now aflush with Aussie wines. Good Stuff. The Aussies deserve support for standing up to China. Now that China has its man in the Whitehouse, things will get tough for Australia. I’m buying Aussie wine and I have switched to Ozito power tools (The “Oz” means Aus).

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  47. Cheque d'Out says:

    I haven’t been looking at wine recently, but I hope that you’re right. I’ve certainly seen plenty of people online saying that they were delighted to stop buying euro-whine.

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  48. Cheque d'Out says:

    I find the resignations a little interesting but couldn’t go with the ‘things are still happening, trust the plan’ type malarkey.

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  49. Sharkly says:

    refuse help to women whose husbands left them and their children and divorced them against her will and desires, too?

    If you believe in the “separation of church and state”, then the state should not be intruding on the churches job of doing charity work. Nor should the church allow the state to “help”, or next thing you know, the state will be paying lazy welfare queens our tax dollars, no questions asked.

    Charity should be given by involved family, friends, and churches. And it shouldn’t be given willy-nilly to everybody who asks. There should be a lot of discrimination used as to who is truly going to be best helped and how. I wouldn’t hardly give money away to anybody. I’d give them a chance to “earn” it. I’d want their circumstances investigated quickly before providing anything more than temporary food clothing and shelter. Often those who ask for help don’t deserve it, and those who deserve it are usually not as likely to ask for help.

    If you’re referring to yourself and your daughters, Ame, I’d have had y’all out picking cotton for your meals. Even if it was just picking up a few bags worth of cotton balls that I dumped around my yard. And I’d make y’all sing some spirituals as you picked up the cotton while I supervised from a lounge chair. I’d make sure that your free meal came with a slice of humble pie! 😉

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  50. Liz says:

    Joe Biden Fingering A Minor On The Cover Of GQ Magazine.

    Can’t believe I’m the first one to “like” this.
    It was very clever.
    😆

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  51. Agreed. Somebody deserves a pay raise.

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  52. Liz says:

    Got a list of mom’s current medications to share with the dentist for her next appointment.
    (from the memory care facility, they have transportation)
    Here it is:
    depakene, diazepam, lorazepam, temazepam, and seroquel

    I suspect the dentist will see this list and be afraid. Very afraid.
    And we had her before she was on any of it.

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  53. Liz says:

    Even with all that, day before she went to the facility the hospice house had to give her a haldol shot.
    [/stream of consciousness monologue ended]


    [Deserve a Sumo-Burger you do]

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  54. Ame says:

    How’re holding up, Liz?

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  55. Liz says:

    I’m okay Ame, thank you.
    ((hugs))

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  56. Farm Boy says:

    “Let me explain yet again the source for all of the platitudinous virtue signalling. The truly privileged elites know that deep down they are frauds. They suffer from existential guilt. Hence, one of the ways by which they assuage the guilt albatross around their necks is to demonstrate to the world that they are truly compassionate, truly loving, truly caring, truly profound. Hence, they love all “undocumented” immigrants. They love Mother Earth. They love the ozone layer. They love BLM. They love socialism. They love inner cities. They hate the gentrification of neighbourhoods. They love mentors of color. They cherish diversity. They love LGBTQ movies. They adore queer architecture. They are better than you. More caring, more cultured, more empathetic. This permits them to sleep better at night. See, I’m not a fraud. I may be a gargantuan parasitic hedge fund bullshitter but I really care. I may be an overpaid BS actor but I fight for solar panels. Those fly over rubes deserve their lot in life. They are racists who bed their siblings. We are science supporters who fight against Mother Earth rapists whilst flying in our private jets. It is a classic ego defensive strategy that permits the ruling class to exist within their fractured selves. Save this thread. Memorize it. I’m offering you a deep psychological explanation of our times.”

    Seth Rogen who had been tagged on Twitter regarding the latter, retorted as follows:

    “I actually watched your video and it’s so stupid. Why was I a left wing socialist when I was broke and unemployed according to your brilliant theory?”

    To which I replied:

    “Thanks for watching. Many young people are socialists when they are driven by immature impulses of utopia. They then grow up. You are a grown man with tons of money. Your current stances are rooted in vacuous empty signalling rooted in a desire to belong in Hollywood. It takes zero courage to hold your stances within the entertainment ecosystem. You espouse bullshit rhetoric that wins you points at the cool kids’ parties but you are otherwise as ignorant as my out-of-order toaster. I’d be happy to chat with you on my show as you have a very large platform and as such you have the opportunity to actually make a difference. Stop succumbing to the herd mindset. Learn how to think critically. Learn the meaning and implications of socialism vs. capitalism. You are among the MOST privileged people in the history of humanity. And yet you walk around as though you are a Che Guevara revolutionary. You are the product of capitalism. If you are such a socialist, send me some of your money. I’m trying to build an interdisciplinary research institute. Live out your convictions. If you are a socialist, you have no business being the beneficiary of the most capitalist industry in the most capitalist country in the history of humanity. Don’t be a hypocritical fraud. Cheers amigo.”

    https://www.thebuffalotribune.com/post/the-moral-hypocrisy-of-celebrities-the-case-of-seth-rogen

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  57. Ame says:

    ☺️ thank you. That would have been significantly more than the church did back then – the church who knew us, knew what he did, and knew I had a sped kid and that I was all alone with zero family help or support.

    – – –

    I was actually thinking of the broader attitude – that ALL divorced, single moms are bad, fully guilty, and deserve to be treated as scum, and deserve to be ignored, neglected, and spit upon.

    You are correct that those who really need help are loathe to ask for it, so when I finally did, and was treated so dispicably within the church, it’s not hard to imagine that the community services treated me significantly better. And that all doesn’t include how they treated my two, little, innocent daughters. Very dark years.
    I was thinking

    [Add this I will]

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  58. Ame says:

    Still praying for you, Liz 💖

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  59. Farm Boy says:

    Speaking of Seth Rogen, remember when this was a big time super bowl debut commercial?

    Yes, that is Amy Schumer. Not sure how these people would appeal to the Bud crowd.

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  60. Ame says:

    Don’t know how that last incomplete sentence got on there – that’s what I get for using my phone 😬

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  61. Cill says:

    Somebody deserves a pay raise.

    Yep. I have been thinking about that and have ruminated over it for some not inconsiderable period of time. How to accomplish it though. That is the question. 😉

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  62. SFC Ton says:

    I was actually thinking of the broader attitude – that ALL divorced, single moms are bad, fully guilty, and deserve to be treated as scum, and deserve to be ignored, neglected, and spit upon.
    ……..

    Exaggerate much?

    They are bad bets for the next guy. I’m glad it worked out for your owner but it doesn’t typically work well for the next guy….. second marraiges fail more often then 1st marriages and all

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  63. Ame says:

    LOL! Been known to exaggerate a *wee* bit from time to time 😉.

    – – –

    I agree.

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  64. SFC Ton says:

    LOL all good darling 😉

    There certainly are guys who think like that but are a minority even in the man o sphere

    Heck I remember when Bloom was a rookie and trying to real with a few realities 😉

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  65. Ame says:

    i wrote this in another document and copied it here but posted it on the next thread – oops!, so thought i should add it to the original thread 🙂

    – – –

    Ton – They are bad bets for the next guy. I’m glad it worked out for your owner but it doesn’t typically work well for the next guy….. second marraiges fail more often then 1st marriages and all

    Tl;dr – Ton is right.

    What is it about women that causes 2nd marriages to fail? (I’m sure there is stuff that pertains to men, but I’m not a man, so I’m not going to address that.)

    It is imperative that we understand the hardwired nature of women, and that’s found in the first three chapters of Genesis. The first two chapters give the background for the most pivotal scene in the whole Bible:

    Now the serpent was more cunning than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said to the woman, “Has God indeed said, ‘You shall not eat of every tree of the garden’?”

    2 And the woman said to the serpent, “We may eat the fruit of the trees of the garden; 3 but of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God has said, ‘You shall not eat it, nor shall you touch it, lest you die.’ ”

    4 Then the serpent said to the woman, “You will not surely die. 5 For God knows that in the day you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”

    6 So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree desirable to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate. She also gave to her husband with her, and he ate. 7 Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together and made themselves coverings.

    8 And they heard the sound of the Lord God walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the Lord God among the trees of the garden.

    9 Then the Lord God called to Adam and said to him, “Where are you?”

    10 So he said, “I heard Your voice in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; and I hid myself.”

    11 And He said, “Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree of which I commanded you that you should not eat?”

    12 Then the man said, “The woman whom You gave to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I ate.”

    13 And the Lord God said to the woman, “What is this you have done?”

    The woman said, “The serpent deceived me, and I ate.”
    Genesis 3:1-13

    When the serpent, who is Satan (the father of all lies), wanted to change the whole course of all of mankind, he went to the woman because she is easily deceived.

    The best lies have some truth in them. 4 Then the serpent said to the woman, “You will not surely die. 5 For God knows that in the day you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”
    Before we make that bad choice, it looks good and inviting and riveting, for we only see the good; after we make that choice, our eyes truly are opened, and we see the whole picture as evil has now flooded in.
    Women tend to only see the before and never the after. Even in the after, we think there’s another ‘fruit’ we can have that will make it all better – it’s not a one-time lie, it’s a continuous lie that women fall for over and over again.
    Not once does Eve take responsibility for what she has done.

    So, when it comes to second marriages, we women tend to look at them the same – that going in they will be SO much better and the answer to ALL our problems! Once we’re in them, we learn the cold truth that marriage is hard because relationships are hard, men are men, and staying emotionally ‘in love’ is a choice, and all relationships, especially marriages, require work.

    AWALT is true because the base, hardwired nature of all women is the same. We are easily deceived into believing there is something else better than what we have. We have to consciously and continuously say no to the Liar and consciously and continuously say yes to the Truth, bypassing our emotions and circumstances and the ‘advice’ we receive from others, esp other women and culture.

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    JPF says:
    5 February, 2021 at 4:56 pm
    So what about the women here? What do they get out it? They often live miserable lives, with dysfunctional this and dysfunctional that.
    At least some women like drama. I have known women that create drama; some apparently for attention, others to deflect attention from the fact that they are about to be proven wrong.
    So I am not convinced that all women would see a life with dysfunctions as a negative. Especially if it gets them victimhood attention and sympathy.
    Exit Question: What is to be done?
    Refuse any charity, both government and private, for any adult woman that is not a widow. Harlots and divorced women are ineligible.
    Refuse any charity, both government and private, for any children that are not orphans. Yes the lives of children in a harlot-led home will suck; but encouraging and supporting these harlots will directly lead to more of them. Case study: The black community and the government programs mentioned in the OP.
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    Ame says:
    5 February, 2021 at 7:41 pm
    JPF – refuse help to women whose husbands left them and their children and divorced them against her will and desires, too?
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    Sharkly says:
    6 February, 2021 at 10:35 am
    refuse help to women whose husbands left them and their children and divorced them against her will and desires, too?
    If you believe in the “separation of church and state”, then the state should not be intruding on the churches job of doing charity work. Nor should the church allow the state to “help”, or next thing you know, the state will be paying lazy welfare queens our tax dollars, no questions asked.
    Charity should be given by involved family, friends, and churches. And it shouldn’t be given willy-nilly to everybody who asks. There should be a lot of discrimination used as to who is truly going to be best helped and how. I wouldn’t hardly give money away to anybody. I’d give them a chance to “earn” it. I’d want their circumstances investigated quickly before providing anything more than temporary food clothing and shelter. Often those who ask for help don’t deserve it, and those who deserve it are usually not as likely to ask for help.
    If you’re referring to yourself and your daughters, Ame, I’d have had y’all out picking cotton for your meals. Even if it was just picking up a few bags worth of cotton balls that I dumped around my yard. And I’d make y’all sing some spirituals as you picked up the cotton while I supervised from a lounge chair. I’d make sure that your free meal came with a slice of humble pie!
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    Ame says:
    6 February, 2021 at 3:52 pm
    thank you. That would have been significantly more than the church did back then – the church who knew us, knew what he did, and knew I had a sped kid and that I was all alone with zero family help or support.
    – – –
    I was actually thinking of the broader attitude – that ALL divorced, single moms are bad, fully guilty, and deserve to be treated as scum, and deserve to be ignored, neglected, and spit upon.
    You are correct that those who really need help are loathe to ask for it, so when I finally did, and was treated so despicably within the church, it’s not hard to imagine that the community services treated me significantly better. And that all doesn’t include how they [the church] treated my two, little, innocent daughters. Very dark years.
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    SFC Ton says:
    7 February, 2021 at 6:05 pm
    I was actually thinking of the broader attitude – that ALL divorced, single moms are bad, fully guilty, and deserve to be treated as scum, and deserve to be ignored, neglected, and spit upon.
    ……..
    Exaggerate much?
    They are bad bets for the next guy. I’m glad it worked out for your owner but it doesn’t typically work well for the next guy….. second marraiges fail more often then 1st marriages and all
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    Ame says:
    7 February, 2021 at 6:36 pm
    LOL! Been known to exaggerate a *wee* bit from time to time .
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    I agree.
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    SFC Ton says:
    7 February, 2021 at 6:47 pm
    LOL all good darling
    There certainly are guys who think like that but are a minority even in the man o sphere
    Heck I remember when Bloom was a rookie and trying to real with a few realities
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  66. Ame says:

    love that addition, Yoda! lol!

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  67. SFC Ton says:

    It’s always easier the 2nd time

    Dropping out of your 1st road march makes it easier to drop out a second time. If you surrive all the fallout from divorce #1 you know its easier to surrive a 2nd.

    Plus folks are out of whatever the fuck it takes to put up with someone’s else’s bullshit…… and people rarely fix their shit.

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  68. Ame says:

    yep.

    there’s a girl at work who just makes bad choices wrt men – taught to her from both her alcoholic father and her mother and all her half siblings (several of whom are old enough to be her parents).

    she’s been in a relationship with a nice guy, but he’s an alcoholic. i keep telling her he’s acting like an alcoholic b/c he is an alcoholic. she keeps thinking she’s going to fix him, that if he’ll just stay off the booze, he’ll be fine … or just not drink too much. they’re together, apart, together, apart, etc. she has two little girls – both the same daddy, who’s a drug addict and only hops in once or twice a year though he lives close. he has another baby mama.

    this is the part of women that most men probably don’t understand:

    in a recent ‘apart,’ she spent some time with a previous boyfriend … she said she needed to make sure he wasn’t ‘the one.’ she decided he wasn’t. we’ll see.

    so what is going thru her mind that she feels the need to find out if an ex (from several years ago) is the right one over the present? why does she even question this? do women actually think like this?

    men compartmentalize. women mesh everything from everywhere and from all-time together.

    if she says one thing right now, wait until her emotions come off that initial high to see what she says then.

    this girl really doesn’t know any better, and she’s making a mess of things. she keeps saying he’s making it all about him and not caring about her and her kids … which, she doesn’t realize, is her making it all about her.

    her dad passed away quite a few years ago. she has one half brother who has finally gotten clean – think he was/is an alcoholic, too – and is trying to make some better choices for his life. hopefully he can be a good influence on her.

    i don’t really have a lot of help for her b/c she’s in the world of justifying everything, so i just direct her to read her bible … to read the bible story book for kids to her children, to pray, and trust the Almighty is much better equipped to help her than i.

    – – –

    another part of this story, and all the others b/c awalt, that’s come up out here . . .

    this girl is subconsciously desperate for a man in her life; she just has no idea how to attract and keep a ‘good’ man – a man who is not an addict and who can keep a job.

    women need a man, and since women are made to adapt to their man, they can easily adapt to the one they’re with at that time, but men have got to make sure she’s stable and willing to stay with him, or she’ll be off and adapting to the next one.

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  69. JPF says:

    Ame asked JPF – refuse help to women whose husbands left them and their children and divorced them against her will and desires, too?

    Yes. God is smarter than I am. God said three things about women whose husbands are no longer with them:
    1) He told us to care for widows and orphans.
    2) Harlots were to be stoned to death if the new husband objected (Deuteronomy 22).
    3) If a woman was bad enough, it is better for her husband to leave her, than to put up with her. See three passages in Proverbs with the wording, “it is better to live in the desert/corner of the roof, than in the house with a nagging/contentious wife”.

    (Tell me if there are others that I do not recall.)

    It is possible that the woman whose husband left her was a wonderful woman. But God nowhere commanded charity for that woman. The fact that God commanded charity for the widow, but his only comments about the woman whose husband is alive but does not want her are that she should die (#2 above) or that the husband is better off without his wife (#3 above), should be enough for us to refrain from supporting/encouraging the woman whose husband left. Yes, I know there may be a woman who believes she was (mostly) faultless. Maybe she is even being truthful, instead of being a woman that deceives herself rather than face the truth.
    But even in this case, assuming that I think I am smarter than God, and therefore I am willing to consider giving the divorced woman charity, there are a few possibilities:
    A) She is an angel, and the choice to divorce was all the result of the big, bad man. But in this case, we should ask why she married the big, bad man. Did her father choose this big, bad man? Very likely not. Instead, it is very likely that the woman refused to submit to her father, and chose her own husband rather than allowing her father to choose. In this case, allowing her to suffer the consequences of spurning her father’s authority is a good thing; it is an example to her friends.
    Similarly, allowing her to suffer the consequences of marrying the hot bad boy, or high status man, instead of a boring but loyal man, is a good thing; it is an example to her friends.

    I know the above does not feel like empathy or compassion; see my comment below on that.

    B) Her husband is following the advice repeatedly given in Proverbs. He has decided that it is better to live in the desert than with his shrew of a wife.
    In this case, allowing her to suffer the consequences of being a nagging wife is a good thing; it is an example to her friends.

    C) Ummm…. what other choices are there? Maybe the edge cases where a woman submitted to her father, and he chose a bad husband for her. But I have no way to know that THIS woman is that edge case, rather than a deceiving woman. Sorry, but I am not God — I do not say this flippantly, it is a truthful statement of my limitations. God can see her heart and knows the full truth; I do not.
    This sinful world is very much not perfect. Some (less evil) people suffer for the choices of evil people.
    But helping an evil person, such as the woman who drove her husband away, will encourage more evil. I need to live my life as God directs, not as seems right in my own eyes. Of course I regularly fail in that………

    I know it does not “feel” loving, or kind, to say that someone should be used as an example for the rest of the community. But this is what God not only allows, but commands. See Deuteronomy 19:16-21 for an example.

    Often those who ask for help don’t deserve it

    The last time someone asked me for money, claiming that he wanted to eat, I offered to take him to a fast-food restaurant about 100 meters away. He declined, and asked to just get the money.

    ALL divorced, single moms are bad, fully guilty, and deserve to be treated as scum, and deserve to be ignored, neglected, and spit upon.

    I don’t recall ever spitting on anyone. I try to treat everyone with dignity. But that does not include going off-book, and giving charity outside of the bounds God provided.

    I should also admit that some fathers are not willing to put in the work to get to know some young men, and then proactively offer his daughter to the young man that he thinks is the best match for her. Another example of our sinful world being less than what God wants.
    Similarly, some fathers may have been asked , but did not even make the effort to make it known that he is open to offers from men interested in buying his daughter for a wife.
    I am sure 90% of women never asked their fathers to find a husband for them. But for those who did, and he refused, that is truly unfortunate and unfair. Women are not supposed to be expected to show the maturity necessary to choose their own spouse.

    To re-emphasis; I understand a woman may genuinely not be the cause of the destruction of her own house. But I cannot know this, and financially supporting divorced women is very likely to hurt our society as a whole, rather than help. And most important, regardless of my (supposed) intelligence, God’s ways are higher than mine.

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  70. Ame says:

    Matthew 25:41″Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels: 42 for I was hungry and you gave Me no food; I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink; 43 I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, naked and you did not clothe Me, sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.’

    44 “Then they also will answer[d]Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to You?’ 45 Then He will answer them, saying, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.’ 46 Andthese will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

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  71. Ame says:

    Matthew 25:41″Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels: 42 for I was hungry and you gave Me no food; I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink; 43 I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, naked and you did not clothe Me, sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.’

    44 “Then they also will answer[d]Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to You?’ 45 Then He will answer them, saying, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.’ 46 Andthese will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

    Mark 2:15 “Now it happened, as He was dining in Levi’s house, that many tax collectors and sinners also sat together with Jesus and His disciples; for there were many, and they followed Him. 16 And when the scribes [c]and Pharisees saw Him eating with the tax collectors and sinners, they said to His disciples, “How is it that He eats and drinks with tax collectors and sinners?”

    17 When Jesus heard it, He said to them, “Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick. I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners, [d]to repentance.

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  72. Ame says:

    Mark 2:15 “Now it happened, as He was dining in Levi’s house, that many tax collectors and sinners also sat together with Jesus and His disciples; for there were many, and they followed Him. 16 And when the scribes [c]and Pharisees saw Him eating with the tax collectors and sinners, they said to His disciples, “How is it that He eats and drinks with tax collectors and sinners?”

    17 When Jesus heard it, He said to them, “Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick. I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners, [d]to repentance.

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  73. Ame says:

    Luke 10:25 And behold, a certain [h]lawyer stood up and tested Him, saying, “Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?”

    26 He said to him, “What is written in the law? What is your reading of it?”

    27 So he answered and said, “ ‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your strength, and with all your mind,’ and ‘your neighbor as yourself.’ ”

    28 And He said to him, “You have answered rightly; do this and you will live.”

    29 But he, wanting to justify himself, said to Jesus, “And who is my neighbor?”

    30 Then Jesus answered and said: “A certain man went down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and fell among [i]thieves, who stripped him of his clothing, wounded him, and departed, leaving him half dead. 31 Now by chance a certain priest came down that road. And when he saw him, he passed by on the other side. 32 Likewise a Levite, when he arrived at the place, came and looked, and passed by on the other side. 33 But a certain Samaritan, as he journeyed, came where he was. And when he saw him, he hadcompassion. 34 So he went to him and bandaged his wounds, pouring on oil and wine; and he set him on his own animal, brought him to an inn, and took care of him. 35 On the next day,[j]when he departed, he took out two denarii, gave them to the innkeeper, and said to him, ‘Take care of him; and whatever more you spend, when I come again, I will repay you.’ 36 So which of these three do you think was neighbor to him who fell among the thieves?”

    37 And he said, “He who showed mercy on him.”

    Then Jesus said to him, “Go and do likewise

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