An Indicator?

I was considering potential indicators of divorce, ones that would be visible even at the time of the wedding. Of course, at that time, most everything is thought to be hunky-dory and the honeymoon phase is in full swing; but is there something discernable that might indicate the long term prospects? After much consideration, I wonder if appreciation might be the ticket. That is, how much does she appreciate him and what he does?

Looking back on it, my ex was never really appreciative of me. As we proceeded into the marriage, she was less and less so. We all know what happened next. That is just one data point.

In modern times, many young women feel entitled. With such a sentiment, it is difficult to be appreciative of much of anything, especially a husband. He becomes an accessory and not something integral.

I am thinking that women need to feel appreciative to something other than the government or themselves (which they can’t really be appreciative too). It goes to the feeling protected idea. Perhaps this is the heart of it all.

Exit question — My Mom was very appreciative of my Dad. How about your Moms?

Posted in FarmBoy, Marriage, Trainwreck
146 comments on “An Indicator?
  1. okrahead says:

    A pretty good indicator of imminent divorce is when you find out your wife has condoms hidden in the bottom of her purse and they aren’t yours. Especially if half the package is already gone.

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  2. Farm Boy says:

    That hopefully wouldn’t be true in the wedding night. I am looking for wedding night indicators.


  3. okrahead says:

    Oh… Wedding night indicators? The next day she tells you you’ve made her all time top five?

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  4. JPF says:

    My wife appreciates me. And we have a strong relationship.
    But she is also not from a feminist nation, so that is a confounding variable.

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  5. Sharkly says:

    Who is the wedding day about?
    My wedding was all about her. I was like a cardboard cutout. Stand here!
    If she thinks her life is to be all about her. That would be a bad sign.

    [Good point make you do]

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  6. RichardP says:

    I was considering potential indicators of divorce, ones that would be visible even at the time of the wedding.

    If one of the parties to the marriage has breasts, there is probably a 50 / 50 chance the marriage will end in divorce.

    [The amount of visibility of these matter they do?]

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  7. Given the evidence available, the dissolution rate of same-sex marriages seems comparable to, not lower than, the divorce rate of traditional marriages.

    Which I think seems low, at least for lesbians. I’m sure many people here might know the joke that for lesbians moving in together is what they do on the third date.

    I only personally knew of three lesbian couples. All three got divorced within 10 years. (There are a lot of lesbians working in mental health facilities.)


  8. The wisdom of the ancients… (and I’m not ancient, … at least not yet.)

    “The oaths of a woman I inscribe on water.”


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  9. Taking Junior to Kroger’s to get some some stuff for french tomorrow. Need anything, Hon?


  10. Sumo says:

    and I’m not ancient, … at least not yet.


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  11. Ame says:

    Exit question — My Mom was very appreciative of my Dad. How about your Moms?

    nope. my mom was never truly appreciative of my dad.

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  12. Ame says:

    ASS TESTING Thought nasal swabs were bad? Now anal swabs used to test for Covid, Chinese media claims


  13. Ame says:

    To be balanced, I would never call my father a great man. Even talking to him earlier tonight, he joked about never growing up as an excuse for his undisciplined behaviors. He was successful in business. Still is. But he is weak and double minded. Shifty. I would never think of him as a great man.


  14. SFC Ton says:

    I only personally knew of three lesbian couples. All three got divorced within 10 years. (There are a lot of lesbians working in mental health facilities.)

    Seems like 25% of the man o sphere lives in joo york city or so,e shit.


  15. RichardP says:

    While we are waiting for Sumo, Part 2 – here’s a little Philly Steak and Cheese, in music form. Amos Lee at Daryl’s House. I’m in a Philly Mood

    This is a nice distraction from all of the strident stuff goin’ round.


  16. tb20driver says:

    Respect may also be a good indicator, and probably hand in hand with appreciation.

    I know that my marriage was headed towards divorce, when my EX started challenging things I was saying, and fact-checking me with her friends. Never got an apology when her friends told her that I was right.

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  17. That’s a great pic, but geez look at the size of the paw on that gal. “Man-hands” doesn’t seem to be sufficient.

    [True, insufficient for those big boobs they would be]

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  18. Cheque d'Out says:


  19. Larry G says:

    Piers Morgan Hints He’ll Run for British Prime Minister

    well, this ought to please the Brits to no end

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  20. Cheque d'Out says:

    Somebody might have a use for this

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  21. Cheque d'Out says:

    Penis Moron is great. Barely a completely hysterical, hypocritical tit of enormous dimensions.

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  22. Larry G says:

    “Penis Moron is great. Barely a completely hysterical, hypocritical tit of enormous dimensions.”

    glad to help! always trying to cheer my friends up…

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  23. So I tried to buy two shares of stock on a lark this morning and now I can’t even log into my retirement account w a major brokerage firm. Wow.

    Luckily I moved all of my holdings into cash in the account a few weeks ago on a hunch. So at least I’m not in the market in case it goes south. That’s of course as long as the US dollar holds.

    WTF?!? LeArn tO cOdE.

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  24. Cheque d'Out says:

    Penis is going to be very surprised if he ever finds out what people think of him. But not in a good way.

    I’m done with the lot of them.

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  25. Farm Boy says:

    ALBANY, N.Y. — The New York State attorney general accused the Cuomo administration of undercounting coronavirus-related deaths at nursing homes by as much as 50 percent, according to a report released on Thursday.

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  26. Farm Boy says:

    The family of U.S. Special Envoy for Climate John Kerry, a Democrat, owns a private jet, even though Kerry has been tasked with overseeing aspects of the Biden administration’s climate agenda.

    Liked by 1 person

  27. Farm Boy says:

    Capitol Hill Riot: DOJ Arrest Reports Focus On Facebook, YouTube, Twitter, Barely Mention Parler

    While the media and Democrats demonize Parler, and it was deplatformed by Google, Apple, and Amazon, it’s clear that leftist social media giants were a hub for alleged criminal behavior

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  28. Farm Boy says:

    “Climate tsar” John Kerry says axed pipeline workers can just switch to building solar panels because he doesn’t understand how markets or specialized skills work

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  29. Farm Boy says:

    Universities in the US are threatening to completely cut off basic services, including internet access for students if they do not fully comply with all COVID restrictions on campus, according to a report.


  30. Did someone else already link this?

    Click to access deepcapture-the-story-v1.pdf

    But it is enough to know that by the time Patrick gives his “Miscreants’ Ball” presentation, the Securities
    and Exchange Commission has published a list of more than 300 companies whose stock has been sold
    but never delivered in excessive quantities. In other words, a significant fraction of the stock sold in more
    than 300 companies is phantom stock. If you think you own shares in one of these companies, the
    chances are that a broker has sold you air to satisfy a crooked hedge fund client. The computer might say
    that you own stock, but in reality, you do not.
    In addition to the 300-plus companies on the SEC’s list, as many as 1,000 companies have already been
    wiped off the map by illegal short-selling, according to some experts.
    Short-sellers’ collusive behavior and dubious tactics might have contributed to the demise in March, 2008,
    of Bear Stearns, America’s fifth-largest investment bank. The Chairman of the SEC recently told the U.S.
    Senate that the SEC is investigating precisely this possibility. The consensus among economists is that if
    the Federal Reserve had not intervened, the fall of Bear Stearns would have triggered the collapse of the
    American financial system. Similarly collusive “bear raids” contributed to the great crash of 1929.
    SEC officials fail to prosecute the criminals even as they suggest that miscreant short-sellers have put the
    American financial system at morbid risk.
    Clearly, this is a scandal of epic proportions.
    Which raises the question: Where the hell is our media?

    In the tank for their Wall Street pals. Jim Cramer is mentioned as being in on it.

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  31. SFC Ton says:

    The stock market is a scam and I don’t have any direct ties to it.

    I do have cash in the bank and all that but I convert that shit into something useful as soon as I can.

    I love this game stop think for a shit ton of reasons and I hope it’s showing people what a fucking the stock market is for most folks

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  32. Farm Boy says:

    Given how incredibly political this pandemic has been from the beginning, many people smell a rat. Is it really the case that the reopening of the American economy, particularly in blue states, is so perfectly timed? Do the science and politics really line up so well?

    * * * * * * * *

    ● Washington, D.C. will resume indoor dining.

    ● Maryland’s governor has decided that the state needs to reopen schools now and no later than March 1.

    ● Gov. Gretchen Whitmer of Michigan says Michigan restaurants can reopen for indoor dining on February 1. Her health adviser decided to resign. Let us hope it is the beginning of many.

    ● Chicago’s mayor is now demanding an immediate opening of restaurants and bars. Chicago is also threatening teachers unions that they must return to work.

    ● New York Governor Cuomo has dramatically reversed his rhetorical course and demanded a reopening of the city. More announcements are expected in the coming days.

    ● California Governor Gavin Newsom, incredibly, has lifted all stay-at-home orders across the state and is permitting dining to open up. Many restaurants have defied orders for months now, and good for them. This new announcement shows that their defiance had an influence.

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  33. Farm Boy says:

    A friend says he’s seeing a lot of people on twitter claiming the Robinhood app is putting in sell orders for the stocks, and then not permitting them to cancel the sell order. And they’re posting screenshots of the refusal to cancel a sell order as evidence for their claims.


  34. Ame says:

    Asked my daughters if they’ve heard about game stop – “Oh, yeah, Mom, that’s everywhere!”


  35. Farm Boy says:

    The woke brand of race politics now being injected into the Biden Administration is not particularly popular. The vast majority of all races, noted a 2018 survey, reject the woke Manichean “anti-racist” meme and scorn political correctness, even as it is widely adopted by the billionaire class and corporate HR departments. Generally, minorities do not want to turn away from law enforcement; the vast majority of Americans—including millennials and minorities—do not favor defunding the police, even as these policies are pushed in their name.

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  36. Farm Boy says:

    The share trading mania appears to be by no means over, with Credit Suisse analysts attributing it to the liquidity triggered by waves of monetary and fiscal stimulus “which dwarfs anything seen in past recessions”

    “This liquidity will increase further after the next round of government stimulus,” they told clients.


  37. Cheque d'Out says:

    To be fair nobody watches this previous flagship anymore

    All wimminz show


  38. “You almost had me murdered” is not actionable speech?


  39. Farm Boy says:

    As Matthew J. Peterson tweeted, “Massive tectonic shifts towards large-scale political resistance and deep cultural rebellion going on right now. Don’t let the bastards gets you down. Big Brother is freaking out for a reason.”

    The freakout by our betters is real. Ironically, all the Really Smart People™ would have to do to make the problem go away is to stop throwing their weight around, stop condescending and start treating their fellow Americans as fellow citizens worthy of respect. At least, that’s what they would do, if they were actually really smart

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  40. SFC Ton says:

    That new york post sounds like something I would have said a few years back

    Liked by 2 people

  41. From that Deep Capture link:

    It is also important to recognize the role of The Depository Trust and Clearing Corporation (DTCC), an
    organization headquartered in New York City. DTCC is where stock trades are processed — more than
    $1.5 quadrillion worth of them every year. That’s 30 times larger than the entire gross product of the
    entire planet. According to the Wikipedia entry on the DTCC, authored largely by Gary Weiss, the DTCC
    “streamlines processes that are critical to the safety and soundness of the world’s capital markets.”
    Indeed, the DTCC is one of the world’s most important financial institutions. But what the Wikipedia entry
    does not mention is that the DTCC is also among the least transparent organizations on earth. No joke:
    America’s founding fathers would take up arms if they knew that anything like the DTCC could exist in this
    country. There are funds exceeding 30 times global output flowing through a sealed black box that is not
    understood even by the SEC officials who are supposed to regulate it.
    One former SEC official describes his colleagues visiting the DTCC and asking, “So, what is it you guys
    do here, again?” A former DTCC employee confirms that the SEC would occasionally send junior people,
    and summarizes their oversight as follows: “The SEC staffers would say, ‘What do you do?’ and ‘How do
    you do it?’ After we would explain to the SEC folks what the DTCC did, the SEC people would say, ‘OK,
    are you doing it?’” These meetings would occur about once per year, and take no more than two or three
    hours. That was the oversight provided by regulators to the sealed black box corporation through which
    30 times the economic output of the entire world flows.
    Because the DTCC processes every short sale, it knows which brokers have hedge fund clients that are
    selling stock and not delivering it. The organization also knows precisely how much phantom stock is
    circulating in at least one part of the system (additional phantom stock is created outside the DTCC, or
    “ex-clearing”). Yet, perhaps because it is “user owned” – that is, it is owned and operated by the very Wall
    Street brokerages that sell the phantom stock – the DTCC refuses to release any information.

    I’m not saying it true, but I’m not having any problems believing it’s true that the SEC is a complete fraud.

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  42. Ironically, all the Really Smart People™ would have to do to make the problem go away is to stop throwing their weight around, stop condescending and start treating their fellow Americans as fellow citizens worthy of respect.

    “That’s not who we (the Really Smart People) are. Looking down on other people as being dirt beneath our feet is what makes us, well us.”

    “Also, you didn’t build that.”

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  43. Farm Boy says:

    The only thing “dangerous” about a gang of Reddit investors blowing up hedge funds is that some of us reading about it might die of laughter. That bit about investigating this as a “pump and dump scheme” to push prices away from their “fundamental value” is particularly hilarious. What does the Washington Post think the entire stock market is, in the bailout age? . . . In other words, it was all well and good for investment banks and executives of phoney-baloney companies to gorge themselves on funhouse profits on a funhouse economy, but when amateurs decided to funnel just a bit of this clown show into their own pockets, finance pros wailed like the grave of Adam Smith had been danced upon.

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  44. Farm Boy says:













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  45. Farm Boy says:

    To those holding GameStop stock, inspiration for what is coming

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  46. Farm Boy says:

    A post claiming to be from a Robinhood employee that has gone viral on Reddit alleges that the White House put pressure on the broker to halt buying of GameStop shares

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  47. Cheque d'Out says:

    Ref: Tim Pool – Reuters

    Hedge funds are now on the hook for close on $72bn, and the internet based trading Roobin Hood etc apps are now being sued in class action lawsuits as they stopped investors from buying the stocks and forcing them to sell

    The trouble that the little guys have is that they can threaten legal action (after they’ve lost money) against Robinhood but the thugocracy can threaten Robin’s kids. And Robinhood going under as a business won’t make the little guys’ money back.

    Hopefully the stench off of this will have ramifications. But I can’t see that a regime that blatantly stole an erection and bent the supreme court is very sensitive to bad smells. They’ll care when they’re hiding in their New Zealand Hobbit holes with the world’s normal people start hammering on the door (or pouring concrete over the doors). Not seen any sign of that

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  48. Cheque d'Out says:

    The Glorious EU descend Covid Hill

    Three eu members- France, Spain, and Portugal have now suspended first jabs – as they run out.

    Germany refusing to jab over 65’s and many jab centres have now closed due to lack of supplies.

    UK had jabbed 11% (would be much higher if Drakeford/Sturgeon weren’t intentionally slowing down the process).

    The eu has not even managed 2%.

    Drakeford is the Welsh ‘leader’ catastrophe.
    Sturgeon is the Scotch one (for now)

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  49. Cheque d'Out says:

    Our Remoaniacs were demanding that we join the eu vaccine scheme last year. One of the requirements of doing so would have been being forced to abandon the Oxford/Astra-Zeneca vaccine.

    Remoanaics have gone a bit quiet on that.

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  50. Cheque d'Out says:

    A few memes du jour

    (Hodl is deliberate, you’d understand if you were a cool kid…apparently)

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  51. Cheque d'Out says:

    And now for a MGTOW one

    Just needs the words to be improverated. The video is excellent.


  52. Cheque d'Out says:

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  53. Cheque d'Out says:

    Teh drama that must be raging in her head. Luckily there’s lots of spare room for it.

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  54. Cheque d'Out says:

    Brace yourself for teh sadz. Brie turns out to be running behind cancer in popularity stakes.

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  55. SFC Ton says:

    One of the NC senators did that

    Then got pissy about loosing cash and voter support.

    We ain’t had a decent representative since Jessie Helms

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  56. SFC Ton says:

    Man that’s pretty strong coming from RP



  57. SFC Ton says:

    Helms tried to filibuster the MLK holiday and once sung Dixie to Maxine Waters, making her cry in an elevator. The left of course hated him

    He also switched from being a Democrat to being a Republican mid term. He didn’t think it was right to be elected as one then then serve as the other sii he stepped down, forcing a special election and won again

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  58. So my stock buy did go thru, and I am now away wondering if everyone’s going to panic and bail or hold the line and do this? I knew going in that I wasn’t doing it to make money as much as to make a point but now I feel like I probably should have used $100 bill to light a cigar instead. Lol. Realistically I bought stock knowing it was likely a loss just bc I am that pissed off about this past year and where we find ourselves today. Definitely a burn it to the ground moment. 🔥🔥🔥 Or I may make something, but I honestly got in too late likely to really clean up. 💸 or 💰? Stay tuned.

    I also bought some nok, amc, and nakd. Much more affordable per share at the moment, but also same all or nada type roll of the dice. Second guessing that also but too late now.

    At this point, God is our only hope. Go big or go home. Good f’ing times. 🥳🥂

    I have been in a very nihilistic mood of late, perhaps ya’ll can relate. But I can’t imagine where I would be had I not found all of you and was totally lost and clueless about what was happening or why and suddenly getting red pilled in a week once they realize what’s happened. Those people must be really freaking out. Meanwhile I am like, pool chair? Cigar and $100 bill, anyone?


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  59. “ We ain’t had a decent representative since Jessie Helms.”

    Sounds like they maybe need a Ton in charge of stuff. Lol. Maxine would be begging for the other guy and he’d only mock their outrage. It would be awesome.

    I have thought of running for office at times myself, but I am not doing it unless all the rest of you do. We’ve got what…. at least 6 states covered plus the International support! Lol. DC would never be the same!

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  60. Cheque d'Out says:

    OMG what an image


  61. Cheque d'Out says:

    Yeah, I’d vote for The Mighty Ton. Sick of our current lot and any foreseeable replacement.

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  62. Cheque d'Out says:

    Here you go, Bloom. This’ll give you a chuckle. Suitable for all ages.

    The cigar/lighter/sniper madman is the main character’s boss. Clouseau drives him mad during the course of the films

    Steve Martin’s version of Clouseau is not to be mentioned.

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  63. Cheque d'Out says:

    I prefer this version

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  64. Cheque d'Out says:

    Relentless cuntery.

    Last I heard, the vultures and hyenas were looking at $72Bn in losses. I hope that that number rises.

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  65. Cheque d'Out says:

    For those fluent in fackin’ Anglo-Saxon

    Could prove to be quite the vocabulary expander for some lucky people

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  66. Cheque d'Out says:

    The EU is ramping up its Hearts & Minds campaign in order to get our vaccine supplies, I see

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  67. Cheque d'Out says:

    They may not have needed to threaten Robinhood with much to get them to cave (assuming that this is true)


  68. Cheque d'Out says:

    Some might find this amusing…an (claims to be) explanation of the Gamestop situation and what it means to the whole market

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  69. Cheque d'Out says:

    I wish Keith ‘the vocabulary expander’ Cuntabout were the PM right now.


  70. I like the concrete idea, but I’d be looking for other possible exits and any ventilation ports as well.

    At that point though, I think we’d have access to bunker-busters, or could make them at our leisure.


  71. Cheque d'Out says:

    So is Bidet signing all that shit in order that he takes the shit for it. Next he saves the hedge funds by screwing over the normeez. Then he’s retired for medical reasons and the VP takes over with a clean slate with vague promises of maybe thinking about undoing some of Joe’s worst actions (never will happen)?

    Tim Pool


  72. Cheque d'Out says:

    I wonder if the vultures feel somewhat aggrieved that they’re being taken to the woodshed over a stock that genuinely was (and still is) doomed in the short to medium term?

    As opposed to any number of viable companies that they previously destroyed using the same tactics?

    Sociopaths et al are crazy like that. They’re perfectly capable of claiming victimhood when getting some righteous payback for shit that they did.

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  73. Cheque d'Out says:

    I’m thinking that Tom might help out with some recipes for such situations?
    *sigh* I can dream, can’t I?

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  74. Voting don’t do shit.

    I’d be willing to consider some other options with some of the people here though. I’ll leave it at that.


  75. Farm Boy says:

    In recent years the United States has seen more severe acts of political violence and deadlier riots than the events at the Capitol—but American guarantees of free speech apparently should not survive the shocking image of Nancy Pelosi’s office being ransacked. The notion that free expression is sedition’s handmaiden or that the prevention of treason should be a higher goal than the open exchange or exposure of allegedly dangerous arguments are not controversial views anymore; they pop up frequently, among putatively liberal-minded commentators in The Washington Post and The New York Times.


  76. Farm Boy says:

    Jen Psaki Says She’ll ‘Circle Back’ To Question About Why Biden Is Currently Wandering Press Room Sniffing Reporters


  77. Farm Boy says:

    Biden Sets Presidential Record For Most COVID Deaths During First Week In Office

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  78. Farm Boy says:


  79. Farm Boy says:

    Cook’s speech at a data privacy conference in Brussels did not mention Facebook by name, but the social media company was clearly a target of the Apple CEO’s warning.

    “If a business is built on misleading users, on data exploitation, on choices that are no choices at all, it does not deserve our praise. It deserves scorn,” Cook said.



    Recently, after WhatsApp threatened to change its privacy policy, people were nuged to the alternate Signal messenger app. However, serious discussion of Signal’s history, and funding sources, has been entirely absent from the puff pieces by media. This investigation reveals how CIA created the Signal app, funded by the US government to protect communications of its agents deployed for regime change.

    Open Whisper Systems

    Signal was launched by now-defunct Open Whisper Systems (OWS) in 2013, brainchild of shadowy tech guru ‘Moxie Marlinspike’ – real name Matthew Rosenfeld.

    In February 2018, responsibility for managing the app passed to the nonprofit Signal Foundation, launched with $50 million in startup capital provided by billionaire former Facebook higher-up Brian Acton, the Foundation’s executive chair.

    OWS never published financial statements or disclosed the identities of its funders at any point during its operation, although the sums involved in launching and maintaining a messaging platform used by a vast number of people internationally over several years were surely significant.

    Gosh, if someone from Facebook is involved you know everything is on the up-and-up. No one cares more about your data than Facebook!

    [Care about your data they definitely do.
    Similar to the relation between a vampire and blood it is.

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  81. Farm Boy says:

    I am thinking that many of the regular people who have a few GameStop shares really don’t care if they lose their investment, as long as they screw the right people

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  82. Farm Boy says:

    I wonder if Moe is in the stock market…

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  83. Gunner Q says:

    Kentucky Headhunter says:
    29 January, 2021 at 2:47 pm
    “I like the concrete idea, but I’d be looking for other possible exits and any ventilation ports as well.”

    No, leave the vents. Enough of us are enjoying the new normal of stretching finite supplies into infinity, trying to cope day by day with no end or hope in sight, that our Dear Leaders should be culturally enriched by the same experience.

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  84. Ton, could you or anyone you know use a heavy equipment operator? I think this guy is near you. Reach out to this gal directly if so! Or pass it on.

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  85. “No, leave the vents. ”

    How about we flip for it on a case-by-case basis?

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  86. Cheque d'Out says:

    EU’s vaccine tantrum & hotel quarantine – The Week in 60 Minutes with Andrew Neil | SpectatorTV

    Brillo’s views


  87. Cheque d'Out says:

    Regarding Gamestop

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  88. Cheque d'Out says:

    Perhaps a compromise on the vents? Treat them as convenient inlets to cess pits below?

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  89. The song (or names at least) remains the same:

    Click to access deepcapture-the-story-v1.pdf

    In May 2005, Bethany published a story in which she compared MBIA, the bond insurer, to Enron. Today, this company has run into some difficulty owing to the subprime mortgage crisis, but the company is certainly no Enron. It retains its AAA rating from Moody’s and Standard & Poor’s, and none of the issues raised in Bethany’s story have proven to be germane.

    Which shouldn’t surprise. The story served primarily to air the opinions of a single short-seller, William Ackman, who is a friend-of-Cramer – a fellow Harvard graduate who was attacking MBIA along with David Einhorn (Mr. Pink’s war ally) and Whitney Tilson (financer, along with the crook Sam Antar, of convicted felon Barry Minkow). Ackman has also worked closely on various deals with Gene Philips, an old Boesky crony who was arrested in 2000, along with 100 stock brokers from the five New York Mafia families.
    Bethany knows that Ackman is not an objective observer, so she supports her assumptions about MBIA with information from several analysts whom she describes as “independent”. For example, she quotes Sean Egan, the manager of a small credit rating agency that holds itself out as an alternative to the gold standards, Moody’s and Standard & Poor’s, and apparently believes that MBIA deserves less than a AAA rating. Bethany portrays this guy as credible, while failing to mention that Egan is paid by short-selling …

    Meanwhile, another source for the MBIA story-a source who was positive on the company–says that Ackman heavily pressured him to change his views. Then Bethany intentionally twisted the source’s words to suit her purposes.

    Last March (2020), as the country began to panic about the arrival of a strange new coronavirus from China, a billionaire called Bill Ackman went on television in an attempt to make America even more afraid than it already was. “Our economy may be done at this point,” he said, over, dead, not coming back.

    Bill Ackman went on like this for 28 full minutes, terrified CNBC viewers watched slack-jawed as he ranted. Here’s part of his performance.

    CARLSON: Bill Ackman was afraid, and he wanted you to be afraid. Ackman was especially frightened for the future of Hilton Hotels. Hilton Hotels, Ackman proclaimed quote: “Is going to zero along with every other hotel company in the world.” Every hotel is going to be shut down in the country — everyone. Talk about scary.

    But in the end, not for Bill Ackman. Not long after that appearance, we learned that Ackman’s firm had made more than $2 billion from trading in the stocks that many people believed he had pushed down with the hysterically dire predictions you just saw, including Hilton Hotels.

    Rules are the little people. At a minimum this guy has been getting away with stealing literally billions of dollars for over 15 years. NOBODY has done a damn thing to stop him or anyone like him.

    Oh, and just for funzies (from the deepcapture link):

    Shortly before Bethany’s MBIA story came out, New York’s then-Attorney General Eliot Spitzer was obligated (because of the sheer volume of evidence) to investigate Bethany’s source, William Ackman, for stock manipulation and publishing false information. But characteristically, Spitzer quickly dropped that investigation. Then he did a complete 180, and began investigating MBIA. That investigation went nowhere. But then Spitzer became governor of New York. Before the FBI caught Spitzer with a hooker while investigating allegations of money laundering and bribery, the governor continued to push for legislation that would have done damage to MBIA’s stock price.

    As Kimberly Strassel bravely wrote on The Wall Street Journal editorial page (which operates
    independently of the captured “Money & Investing” section), “Mr. Spitzer’s main offense as a prosecutor is that he violated the basic rules of fairness and due process: Innocent until proven guilty; the right to your day in court. The Spitzer method was to target public companies and officials, leak allegations and out-ofcontext emails to a compliant press, watch the stock price fall…Most of Mr. Spitzer’s high-profile charges have gone up in smoke…The press was foursquare behind Mr. Spitzer in all these cases, and in a better
    world they’d share some of his humiliation.”

    The italics are mine. If it all sounds familiar, it will not surprise to learn that Eliot Spitzer is Cramer’s best friend. They were college roommates. Cramer’s constellation of hedge funds were Spitzer’s biggest campaign donors, and the Cramer clique of journalists were the very journalists who were “four square behind Mr. Spitzer.”

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  90. Cheque d'Out says:

    I guess that this trader is just a little bit over-tired

    Shame etc


  91. Cheque d'Out says:

    This guy reckons that the markets may not be fair…!!!


  92. Cheque d'Out says:

    “GME at $325, up 68% on the day with 6 minutes to go”
    Oh noes. That can’t be good.

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  93. Ame says:

    that’s mind-blowing crazy, KH. where is that link?


  94. “”

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  95. Cheque d'Out says:

    The video is by Serpentza. He has a youbend channel. He also makes videos on advchina channel iirc. The floppy haired guy has a channel laowhy86.iirc.

    All three are good channels, they toured China by motorbike for years. They’re back in California last I heard

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  96. Ame says:

    Spawny – the first tweet is from a now suspended account.


  97. Ame says:

    9h ago

    At this point, God is our only hope. Go big or go home. Good f’ing times. 🥳🥂

    as you well know, Sweet Bloom, God has always been our *only* real hope. He has always been King of all kings, Lord of all lords, and one day every single knee WILL bow to Him, in heaven and on earth.

    I have been in a very nihilistic mood of late, perhaps ya’ll can relate. But I can’t imagine where I would be had I not found all of you and was totally lost and clueless about what was happening or why and suddenly getting red pilled in a week once they realize what’s happened. Those people must be really freaking out. Meanwhile I am like, pool chair? Cigar and $100 bill, anyone?

    i can’t imagine where i’d be without this wonderful place and all you people, either 🙂

    i’ll bring the fruits and veggies … Sumo and Ton can bring the acid-washed burgers and steaks … Cill can bring the CDDU 🙂

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  98. Cheque d'Out says:


  99. horsemanbombadil says:

    Ok when Bloom is saying burn it to the ground we know shit is getting real.

    I mean Ton, Larry nd Sumo will do it for practice while me and KH would just for giggles….

    But Bloom? Bloom?

    Lighting a cigar with a dollar bill to make a point?


    P.s. Twinkletoes just ordered the airlines to suspend flights to the Caribbean so I haven’t been to my southern place for a year as of yesterday.

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  100. Ame says:

    that’s really interesting. truth is rarely visible; must always be searched for.


  101. Ame says:

    so I haven’t been to my southern place for a year as of yesterday.

    well, boo, Horseman! we’ve had too many cloudy days here for my liking … i NEED more SUN!!!


  102. Ame says:

    RUSH: The endgame, for the people that you have mentioned, the endgame is the destruction of the entire MAGA movement, even if it means the Republican Party is adrift in the wilderness for 30 years. We’re gonna get rid of MAGA, it’s gonna have nothing to do with the Republican Party going forward. That’s the battle within the Republican Party. The Republican Party has its own establishment types. They have members that are as pro-deep state as Democrats are.


  103. horsemanbombadil says:


    It is currently -20c here and forecast -30c plus windchill.
    At my southern place according to the interwebs it is 24c

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  104. Ame says:

    It’s no different than when you go back to 1989 when Reagan left after two terms. What’d the Republican Party do? I don’t know how old you are, Steve. The Republican Party immediately began to eliminate anything that Reagan had to do with anything in terms of policy.

    George H. W. Bush ran for election claiming to be Reagan’s third term. And he got elected on that. But he started raising taxes. He did everything the opposite of what Reagan did, started making deals with the Democrats. And the reason was that the Republican establishment back then had no use for conservatives, no use for us, no use for conservatism.

    Reagan was so popular, though, that they had to hide, and they had to vanish into the tall grass for as long as Reagan was around. But when Reagan’s two terms were over, they roared back and attempted to take hold of the party. That’s exactly what’s happening now. You can talk MAGA, conservatism, the Republican establishment does not like upstarts. And that’s what you’re watching happen here.

    CALLER: Can’t you do that without going all-in with Nancy Pelosi? I mean, you can take a little milquetoast approach to it without being so far gone.

    RUSH: Not if you’re afraid of her. Not if you’re afraid of Democrats’ dominance. Not if you’re afraid of being expelled from establishment, not if you are afraid of being denied the benefits of being in the establishment, no. But, look. The hatred for Trump among Washington establishment types, be they Republican or Democrat, is so virulent, it is so powerful, it’s so all-consuming that it takes precedence over everything else.

    It’s a sign of Trump’s effectiveness. It’s an example of how good he was, how effective he was. They’re scared to death of him still, after he has retreated and is now holding court at Mar-a-Lago, they’re still scared to death of him. That’s why they want to impeach him. That’s why they want to run around claiming he can never run for office again. Everything they’re doing to Trump is unconstitutional, but they don’t care. If they can pull it off, they’ll pull it off.

    CALLER: Well, I’m disheartened. But I’m hopeful that —

    RUSH: Tell me why. Tell me why. This is interesting to me. And again, as I say, please don’t misinterpret my tone. I’m not trying to be critical at all. I’m just being passionate in my explanation here. What is disheartening about this to you?

    CALLER: It’s disheartening because Trump — President Trump, excuse me — built an enormous coalition that brought people from outside the party —

    RUSH: Yes.

    CALLER: — inside the party.

    RUSH: Yes.

    CALLER: And we could — I mean, even if Trump, President Trump isn’t going to be the leader going forward, we can build on what he’s done and make it even bigger and stronger rather than completely tear it down and go back to square one.

    RUSH: Exactly right. There’s 75 million, bare minimum, 75 million people who voted for Trump. That’s a political party right there, my man. That is a political party. And it’s got to be dealt with. If you are part of the Washington establishment, the 75 million that voted for MAGA, that voted for Trump, we can’t have that. So not only do you have to take out Trump, you have to destroy his agenda at the same time. You can’t let somebody else pick up the mantle. But there are lots of Republicans who want to. Josh Hawley, Tom Cotton, Matt Gaetz. There’s a bunch of them. Jim Jordan. There’s a bunch of them that want to pick up that MAGA vote base and grow it.

    CALLER: And, similarly, the long knives are out for them within the party.

    RUSH: Well, there you go. I mean, exactly right. Exactly right. I wouldn’t look at it as a disheartening thing. I mean, you can if you want, but it’s not really new, which is my point to you. The Republican – I’ll look for a better word than “establishment,” but it works. The Republican establishment has always opposed conservatism and conservatives.

    But when it is obvious that conservatism and conservatives are the dominant force in the Republican Party, they are smart enough to attach themselves to it and try to benefit from it for as long as that period of time lasts. But they never convert to conservatism. They do their best to make you think they are, but they don’t and they aren’t.

    Now, the reason that so many people, the names you mentioned are so bent out of shape is because Trump really is or was the antithesis of what these people think that successful people in their business are. They were royally offended by Trump’s very life. The fact that he was breathing air and was doing with it what he was doing, just offended the hell out of them.

    It’s as though Trump was going to define them, and they didn’t want to be thought of as Trump, they didn’t want to be thought of as acolytes, they didn’t want to be thought of as supporters, they didn’t want to be thought of as kindred spirits because Trump’s mannerisms were so offensive. It’s not even about, in large part, it’s not even about issues, although it is, but some of the anger at Trump and resentment at MAGA exists because of Trump’s personality.


  105. Ame says:

    Horseman – i’d need to thicken my blood and wear well-insulated clothing 🙂

    do you have much snow this winter? is it better with or without snow? from my totally uninformed perspective, snow seems more fun b/c it’s beautiful. but it can get muddy and slushy, too.


  106. Cheque d'Out says:

    EU reverses decision to shut Irish border


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  107. horsemanbombadil says:

    Going to make a rare step outside Bombadil’s little land…..

    Re the gamestop thing vs the great reset and the election et al.

    The core of the reddit thing is sticking it to the elites using their own wall street system using the bribe money (600) that they dont care if they use. This is not about making money but revenge is often cited.

    This plus the quietness of the right not rising to the bait of confronting thousands of guardsmen in d.c. like the dems want.

    It shows the powers have not controlled the masses the way they thought nor are they able to predict where the pushback is coming from. Also the comm channels like reddit, etc cannot be cut like Zuk et all want, its like cutting a medusa head, a new unexpected channel comes up.

    What happens when the great reset etc does not roll out as they planned. When every control measure is ignored, circumvented or mocked. Worst of all mocked.

    What happens when the elites get scared not only is it not working but they cannot predict where it is going. When their subtlety (in their minds) no longer works.

    Will they then resort to absolute heavy handed. E.g. we deployed troops in case of insurrection but no protesters showed up. So they start action pre emptively. Similarly deplatforming isnt working as people change platforms so will they cut all comms.

    Will it go to the far extremes because the sheep are not following the sheppard and are laughing at the sheepdog?

    Nothing is worse than someone hungry for power feeling their power slip away.

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  108. horsemanbombadil says:

    This morning was a beautiful clean, sunny blanket of pure white snow.
    You could see the individual sparkles in every facet on the ground.
    Brilliant blue sky, snow as white as ivory.
    The day on the winter calendar pictures.

    Perfect day to take my coffee outside and enjoy the clean air.

    I am STILL trying to get my balls to drop out of my stomach!!

    Oh hell no, we staying up here where its warm!!

    Dog went out for his morning piss.
    Had to get an axe to set him free from the icicle anchoring him to the ground.

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  109. Cheque d'Out says:

    Mmm ❤️ that vocal fry

    It like totally adds masculine levels of credibility to the speaker

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  110. Cheque d'Out says:

    Horseman, just see the EU fucking up their negotiations for vaccines, all their own fault. Then throwing a strop demanding a share of our supplies. Deciding to shut the Norn Irn / ROI border to prevent transfer of vaccines. Desperately incompetent but desperate to appear powerful.

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  111. Cheque d'Out says:

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  112. b g says:


    C’mon even little dogs…okay I mean real dogs like maybe Jack Russells…enjoy walking in the snow…and larger ones like Labs absolutely love it. All of ours have always made “doggie angels” with big goofy grins – thoroughly enjoying scratching their backs on the snow ;-D

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  113. Ame says:

    signing the waver for the covid test gives the govt permission to geo-track you through your cell phone, which they cannot do without either your consent or a warrant:

    begin @16:47

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  114. Ame says:

    okay … that same video covers some other topics covered in various places out here:

    @18:57 – the order that God established and how the church and christians have abdicated their authority, giving it to gov’t rather than to God, and she gives the example of looking for and taking gov’t money.

    @22:28 – Texas has the authority to build the border wall without nat’l govt approval.

    @24:05 – HR350 – a bill that is about Domestic Terror Activity, that singles out White Supremacists … that Trump and Trump supporters were called White Supremacists, and that anyone who uses the constitution is a WS b/c the founders were white, elite, slave owners.


  115. Ame says:

    for Richard – i believe you made comment to this . . .

    happened upon this video … pulling questions from a mug …
    question: “If 2020 were a song.”
    answer: “Cages”


  116. Ame says:

    forgot to add – this begins at 5:15


  117. So I ended the day up by almost $900 today. But I wanted to buy something for $100 today “just to support” that would’ve turned into $5000 today but all of the platforms that would’ve allowed me to buy that thing we’re not available because of the state I live in or some other factor. Every platform literally collapsed under me like some kind of Star Wars adventure movie as I tried to login and sign up and just get a message that sorry you’re not in the club. But I saved all those messages and I intend in the class action lawsuit that is already pending to hold people accountable for what I lost today. Because I am sick of the bullshit. It’s time for passive resistance on a level never seen before. Not violence. But a force much harder to see or stop or make the public hate. Aye mateys, it’s time to be better pirates at their own game. Plausible denial ability and examples aplenty to point to of why all is fair in the free and open market for the win baked right in. 🇺🇸🏴‍☠️🇺🇸🏴‍☠️🇺🇸🏴‍☠️🇺🇸🏴‍☠️🇺🇸🏴‍☠️🇺🇸

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  118. Cill says:

    The weather is perfect. The sky is blue and so is the sea.

    I’m enjoying the company of a cuzzie I have not seen for many long years, who has been through NZ quarantine + voluntary quarantine of an extra week. She is finally here.

    This is a good day. All the best to you my ss mates.

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  119. Cill says:

    i’ll bring the fruits and veggies … Sumo and Ton can bring the acid-washed burgers and steaks … Cill can bring the CDDU

    I’ll bring the whole fucking lot. Y’all can bring yourselves.

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  120. Ame says:

    i’m in!

    Liked by 2 people

  121. Cill says:

    Sumo can do some of the cooking but I draw the line at the spit roast.

    That is my territory.
    My spit is my own-invented jerry-built mickey-mouse rig number 8 wire and all.

    Sumo will gaze upon my mechanical ingenuity and give up. He will despair.

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  122. Farm Boy says:


    Liz’ new digs






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  123. Ame says:



  124. RichardP says:

    @Ame: “If 2020 were a song.” – answer: “Cages”


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  125. Sumo says:

    Sumo will gaze upon my mechanical ingenuity and give up. He will despair.

    No, he’ll drink all your beer while you’re messing with the spit roast.

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  126. Cill says:

    Me mess with spit roast? No way bro. Never,

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  127. I am not an engineer and I don’t even understand what I’m watching here but I thought some of you that are might enjoy this.

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  128. Cheque d'Out says:

    “Sumo will gaze upon my mechanical ingenuity and give up. He will despair.”

    You must be thinking of another Sumo.

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