Issues


Over at Jack’s, RedPillBoomer states,

Apart from some early deaths of porn stars that have been documented, I’ve read little of the downline consequences for women and men who are porn stars (not talking about the ones who die early, but the one’s who live many years); what ends up happening to them? In the manosphere, we here talk all the time of the non-porn CC rider hitting her thirties and then having difficulty ‘sticking the landing,’ aka getting a Beta Bux to wife her up and overlook the double digit N-count. But these porn star girls, many who were 9s and 10s in their twenties, and who’ve been F’d by hundreds of men, what happens to them after they have completed their ‘careers’ and end up trying to lead a ‘normal life?’ 

I assume that it is like being on the carousel, but on steroids. So what precisely are the issues? Let us consider some possibilities,

  1. There is the alpha widow phenomenon of course.
  2. With the endless sex with semi-anonymous men, it just wrings any motherliness nature out of a woman.
  3. A cycle of attachment hormones being released, with no subsequent attachment.
  4. The creation of the view that sex is nothing special, it is just a thing that one does.
  5. The creation of the view that a guy is nothing special, it is just somebody that I interact with.
  6. After years and years, the creation of the view that there are so many other things than wifehood/motherhood.
  7. Associating being treated bad with sex.

Perhaps you might add your own.

Exit question — Is there any consideration of these issues beforehand?

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136 comments on “Issues
  1. tb20driver says:

    I have only met one ex-porn star out in the real world. She had just crawled out from some house window, and was standing almost naked in some guy’s yard. she was meth’d up, and not looking to well. Based on that one bizarre experience, my guess would be that the is not a lot of forethought on what the future might hold for them.

    Now I have had contact with several higher class (or priced) escorts in the past, and have actually asked them if they had given any real thought on how their chosen profession may effect their ability to have a real relationship. In every case they said that it wouldn’t be a problem, and that I was being judgemental by even asking the question.

    Several years later all of them seem to have had significant relationship issues, including short marriages ending in divorce, as well as being physically abused by former clients who became their significant other. One of them is especially heart wrenching because she now also has significant medical issues, and no one there to go through it with her.

    I believe that most people just believe that despite whatever they do, that things will work out well for them in the end.

    But often times it just doesn’t.

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  2. tb20driver says:

    I have only met one ex-porn star out in the real world. She had just crawled out from some house window, and was standing almost naked in some guy’s yard. she was meth’d up, and not looking to well. Based on that one bizarre experience, my guess would be that the is not a lot of forethought on what the future might hold for them.

    Now I have had contact with several higher class (or priced) escorts in the past, and have actually asked them if they had given any real thought on how their chosen profession may effect their ability to have a real relationship. In every case they said that it wouldn’t be a problem, and that I was being judgemental by even asking the question.

    Several years later all of them seem to have had significant relationship issues, including short marriages ending in divorce, as well as being physically abused by former clients who became their significant other. One of them is especially heart wrenching because she now also has significant medical issues, and no one there to go through it with her.

    I believe that most people just believe that despite whatever they do, that things will work out well for them in the end.

    But often times it just doesn’t.

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  3. tb20driver says:

    mmmmm, my posts keep on going to moderation.

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  4. Cheque d'Out says:

    Latest two were in the spam filter.

    Previously your comments were going in pending – mismatched name and email?

    Hopefully it’ll settle down. I don’t think that these last two were your fault.

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  5. Cheque d'Out says:

    I’ll leave both copies up in case it helps your next ones not be spamalated

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  6. Gunner Q says:

    “But these porn star girls, many who were 9s and 10s in their twenties, and who’ve been F’d by hundreds of men, what happens to them after they have completed their ‘careers’ and end up trying to lead a ‘normal life?”

    They die… drugged, drunk, diseased, unloved and unwanted in the back allies of Los Angeles.

    The wiser ones saved their money and live off that, like a pro athlete with $20M and a broken back at age 40. The lucky ones stick a D-list celebrity marriage… you’ve seen those in the tabloids. Very few repent and rebuild.

    The rest go in the dumpster.

    I found the last chapter of Deep Throat for the interested. It is directly relevant:

    https://gunnerq.com/2019/08/28/epstein-files-harry-reems-escape-story/

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  7. Cheque d'Out says:

    This level of political insight is why journos get the big bucks

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  8. Cheque d'Out says:

    The lovely fizzog of Ms Sturgeon, leader of the Scottish Special Needs Partei

    “It has never been hard to tell the difference between a Scotsman with a grievance and a ray of sunshine.”
    ― P.G. Wodehouse

    Or Scotswimmin, apparently.

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  9. Cheque d'Out says:

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  10. Bree Olson appeared in ~300 (or was it 400) porn scenes/movies. She has the sadz now because normies don’t want her to be their nurse or teach their kindergarten age children.

    She doesn’t go back to porn to make $30-40k/month because she doesn’t want her pictures on the internet? Uh, hello! There are literally MILLIONS of pictures of you on the internet, girlie.

    She doesn’t want to go outside because she might get a weird look from a normie, but she’s worth around $5 million, so she doesn’t have to do anything she doesn’t want to really.

    Now she does finally get around to telling girls “don’t do porn”, but then says people should just respect sex workers so she can have her cake and eat it too. After all, who would want to be a nurse or teacher and work full time to make $60k/year, when you can get famous and make $30k/month?

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  11. Cheque d'Out says:

    Just watched the video and discovered, to my delight, that I have no response to her tears. Or no response that she wants. I am a proper feminist…equality baby. You made your choices and now you have the entirely predictable consequences. Men in that position get told to suck it up. Assuming that someone notices them at all.

    p.s.
    Look who’s back demanding that men step up

    Don’t think that it’s going to work, though I wonder just what laws will be passed under the glorious equalitarian biden/harris democrat regime.

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  12. Cheque d'Out says:

    Going back to the Quality Totty issue. I used to like women made up and dressed up. But the sheer amount of fakery these days is such a turn off. Bree’s nails just look ridiculous. There’s no way whatsoever that they’re real. Is there anything that isn’t fake (apart from the hole scar in her forehead)? Apart from her regret about the consequences of her decisions? Which is not the same as regret for her decisions.

    Decades after men’s every fault (real and alleged) was dragged into the public eye and castigated, we’re now seeing the true horrors of female natures being revealed…proudly…by women themselves.

    The Lovely Billionaire(?) Sandra vs Society – I want more…tika-tika-tika…I want more…tika-tika-tika…I want more…tika-tika-tika…I want more…tika-tika-tika…I want more…

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  13. Farm Boy says:

    Environmentalist groups are suing so the EPA can keep the science behind its regulations a secret. Because if science means anything it means blindly trusting authority.

    https://notthebee.com/article/environmentalists-believe-so-very-much-in-science-that-they-dont-want-you-to-see-it-groups-sue-to-stop-secret-science-rule

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  14. Not just giving women everything they want all the time is violence against women…

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  15. Farm Boy says:

    We will see

    If you can’t trust the plan, trust the President. If you can’t trust the President because you’re feeling too anxious about events and the relentless demoralization campaign that is being performed for your benefit, remember, all the tea leaves in the world will determine absolutely nothing.

    https://voxday.blogspot.com/2021/01/be-patient-everyone.html

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  16. Farm Boy says:

    The first is to work under the assumption that nothing you’re seeing in media is true and that any member of the press that you don’t know personally and trust implicitly is lying unless personally aware of a reason to think otherwise.

    https://datechguyblog.com/2021/01/13/presume-they-are-lying-and-lay-low/

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  17. Cheque d'Out says:

    While I hope that Vox is right

    He had four fucking years, I’m pretty sure that some of the blame for the current shit-show is his.

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  18. Larry G says:

    “Bree Olson appeared in ~300 (or was it 400) porn scenes/movies. She has the sadz now because normies don’t want her to be their nurse or teach their kindergarten age children.”

    (ahem) let us show our sympathy and understanding for Bree for feeeling soooo bad about being a world class slut in porn. She realizes now (much too late) that being the public Grand Central station of Dicks is not something to be admired….I am just so surprised by that…

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  19. There is no reason, none whatsoever, to believe things aren’t proceeding precisely as they are supposed to proceed. The double envelopment is taking place. The enemy legions are trapped and helpless. I won’t even think about worrying until 48 hours AFTER someone else is sworn in as POTUS. I am, quite frankly, more than a little excited to watch it all unfold. This is the sort of history about which we have only hitherto been able to read.

    Whaaaaaaa?

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  20. Larry G says:

    KHH, maybe I should work on my people empathy skills? On second thought, naw, fuck that.

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  21. Stephanie says:

    “Now she does finally get around to telling girls “don’t do porn”, but then says people should just respect sex workers so she can have her cake and eat it too.”

    Wow, that’s not what I got from it overall. That was so so tragic.

    I’ve been friends with 2 former prostitutes… God seemed to bring them into my life randomly, but when they find God, He heals them. I gave one I knew the book, “Redeeming Love,” and it really helped her.

    This woman in the video reminded me of the Woman at the Well, who came outside only when she knew other people would be staying INside. She couldn’t face the people because of her shame and what she was and had done.

    But Jesus saw her, He came to her in that place where she felt like she couldn’t even go outside her house anymore (except for at the hottest time of the day and only for the necessity of water).

    Jesus was able to heal her. Hopefully this woman also finds healing.

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  22. Cheque d'Out says:

    I’d compare the current US situation with Brexit. After four years of trying to not deliver Brexit, the toreez realised that they were going to be fucked in elections by the public’s recognition of May’s intended treachery and they reversed course and ditched her. Brexiteers were not going to go away and be quiet*. They convinced Nigel Farage that they’d deliver and he stood down sufficient of his candidates to let the toreez win the general election.

    The toreez and the gop both had a choice of suicide by blatant betrayal of their electorate versus doing what the public wanted.

    It appears that the gop was even dumber than the toreez (some feat). Allowing this steal is a one time deal. No election, from now on, will be legitimate; the gop can’t recover from this. They’re future is to be allowed to continue**, by the dems, only in order to provide a cardboard opposition to to democrat rule. Just keep voting for the right cheek of the same political arse – that’s democracy, right? One party, two cheeks. Never was the soubriquet of being the dumb party more deserved.

    If you’d asked me a year ago, I’d have put more money on a second Trump term over Brexit happening. I reckon that Covid came too late to head off BloJo but early enough to cripple The Donald. YMMV

    * I’m happy with this belief though I’m not sure, when the chips were down, what would have happened. This is the scenario playing out in the States right now.
    ** To be fair, I wonder if the dems are to stupid too allow this scenario. Having won, they should allow the gop to continue in a weakened state (to head off a real opposition). Instead the silly fuckers seem to want to destroy the faux right gop. In the longer term I think that that’s a mistake. Shoulda left a pretend opposition comprised of RINOs

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  23. Stephanie says:

    “She realizes now (much too late) that being the public Grand Central station of Dicks is not something to be admired….I am just so surprised by that… ”

    I think it’s a harsh reality, which is why she’s warning younger women not to do it, because they may not, “see,” all of that. Many of them come from childhood sexual abuse, so sex for money/porn is not as bad as their childhood (they think), but then it becomes worse than their childhood memories.

    It’s just another lie Satan tries to tempt them by, that being abused sexually as children makes them more susceptible to than someone who grew up with normal loving parents.

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  24. Larry G says:

    Stephanie, I am not surprised at you sympathy towards this female. She chose the life she lived and gloried in her whoredom. I seriously doubt any men feel empathy towards her, she is just reaping what she sewed.

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  25. Stephanie says:

    I think my point was more that *Jesus* felt some kind of sympathy for her… enough to go out where He knew exactly where she’d be at that time, to talk to her. This woman probably hasn’t experienced any kind of spiritual healing.

    Rahab was a prostitute that ended up being married to one of the Hebrew spies and then became Boaz’ mother.

    Boaz was not able to find a wife even though he had become wealthy. My guess is he wasn’t suave enough/attractive enough… even though he was well-respected by the people there, he had no heir to all he owned, he had no wife to love him, to, “see,” him, it’s very strange when you think about it. He was older because Naomi remembered him. So we know Ruth was not in his age-range (much younger).

    But God used how he saw his mother, Rahab, probably a little scorned by the women due to her prostitution past. This may have set up the perfect scene for Boaz to look more compassionately on Ruth, a Moabite who the Jews were not allowed to even cross their thresholds of their houses.

    He not only noticed Ruth and wanted to provide for her, he carried her over his threshold (which again, Jews were commanded not to do for foreign women/people) and she became his bride. His compassion toward Ruth probably was due to him having a mother who was also an outsider, a former prostitute. And from their child came David and then Messiah.

    The way God works is strange, but He can use this woman and even produce godly offspring from her because he’s done it before.

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  26. Cheque d'Out says:

    “Jesus was able to heal her. Hopefully this woman also finds healing”

    Her problem doesn’t stop at being healed. It goes beyond that to finding a man stupid enough to take the gamble that she’s been healed. One that she finds attractive enough (financially and physically). I suspect that most such men will find better options in which to invest their social capital. No man wants to go through life having most men believing that he married a ho even if he believes that she’s healed from that.

    I suspect that her greatest value to society lies here…

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  27. Larry G says:

    “I think it’s a harsh reality, which is why she’s warning younger women not to do it, because they may not, “see,” all of that. Many of them come from childhood sexual abuse, so sex for money/porn is not as bad as their childhood (they think), but then it becomes worse than their childhood memories.”

    yes it is a harsh reality. There are consequences for bad decisions. You said “Many of them come from childhood sexual abuse, so sex for money/porn is not as bad as their childhood (they think),”
    Many more do NOT come from childhood sexual abuse situations but elect to go the way of unrestrained sexual license just because they can, quick money for spreading and “fame”.

    Harsh reality? Certainly. But not undeserved

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  28. Larry G says:

    I am very familiar with the Book of Ruth, and much of what you just mentioned is speculation and not actually written in the book. A few of the tangents in your last comment is pure guess work, Stephanie.

    Didn’t the Old testament have guiding principals regarding women who whored themselves out? I believe that was spelled out by God Himself on how to deal with such evil, no?

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  29. Cheque d'Out says:

    I’m not very surprised by Stephanie’s reaction. It’s a very female one. Centred on the individual woman. This isn’t a bad instinct at the individual level. I just think that it’s a mistake at the societal level.

    Instant forgiveness for any transgression might help the individual (the female instinct) but I suspect that it damages society as a whole (the male instinct is to avoid this).

    I think that healthy society probably requires a mixture of the two. Perhaps there’s something in the Bible about that?

    My guess is that the best solution, for society, is that she genuinely, publicly repents her poor decisions and disappears from the public view. Then, on a personal level, maybe forms a quiet life with some beta guy that loves her and they raise kids together…privately.

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  30. Cheque d'Out says:

    “Many of them come from childhood sexual abuse, so sex for money/porn is not as bad as their childhood (they think),”

    Yikes! This is pure feminine; make up a scenario where there’s little to no personal responsibility (or there are many excuses to be made) and then imply that this is the usual case.

    I can’t go along with this. This is how we get where we are; no blame can be laid at the individual level.

    Please don’t take this as a personal attack, I have no interest in that at all. None whatsoever.

    But I see this is a great example of how we’ve ended up where we are. And where we are is not good for society IMHO. That’s what I am interested in pointing out

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  31. Larry G says:

    “Yikes! This is pure feminine; make up a scenario where there’s little to no personal responsibility (or there are many excuses to be made) and then imply that this is the usual case.
    I can’t go along with this. This is how we get where we are; no blame can be laid at the individual level.”

    Exactly right. This is why I have little sympathy for females like Olsen

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  32. Stephanie doesn’t hear Bree saying “There’s nothing wrong with porn. People should just respect (or even better, admire?) sex workers.”, because Stephanie is on Team Woman. Stephanie blames Satan for his whispers rather than Bree for her actions. No woman can ever be held accountable for her actions because Satan made her do it.

    Satan, Satan, Satan, blah, blah, blah…

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  33. Stephanie says:

    “There’s nothing wrong with porn. People should just respect (or even better, admire?) sex workers.”, because Stephanie is on Team Woman.”

    I think she hasn’t quite seen her sin yet. Or how bad it is. Or how it destroys societies past and present.

    She won’t be able to heal and move on correctly if she never gets to that point. That is certain.

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  34. Stephanie says:

    “My guess is that the best solution, for society, is that she genuinely, publicly repents her poor decisions and disappears from the public view. Then, on a personal level, maybe forms a quiet life with some beta guy that loves her and they raise kids together…privately.”

    Really quick before I need to go… I’m a super nerd.. I read books that are quite ancient. I agree with Spawny, just adding that God can turn her heritage around even in spite of her past.

    The historian, Josephus, who was alive literally right after Jesus was… Josephus knew Jesus’ brother James, personally.

    Anyway… I’ve read Josephus’ book about the historical facts, and this is what he ends up saying about the whole Boaz Ruth story,

    “I was therefore obliged to relate this history (about Ruth and Boaz) of Ruth, because I had a mind to demonstrate the power of God, who, without difficulty, can raise those that are of ordinary parentage to dignity and splendour, to which he advanced David, though he were born of such mean (basic) parents.”

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  35. Cheque d'Out says:

    Thank you for not taking my comments as a personal attack, Stephanie. Your ability to do that sort of gives me hope that, at some point, men and women can put away the out of control emotions* and talk turkey.

    *emotions have value IMHO but must be subject to the rule of reasonable judgement if you want a positive outcome overall. This is not the reality that we currently live in…

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  36. Stephanie says:

    I get it Spawny I do. But be careful!!! That attitude is what was behind the police not helping the young women/boys and young teenage men when they were drugged by the “Asians,” in your area (and beyond) and then used for sex.

    The testimonies of what they did sexually to those people, for decades now, sexual torture often, is given largely by women and men like this one.

    The officers looked at them and thought they were out seeking that. In the testimonies I’ve read and heard through youtube, the officers just thought they were junkies and getting drunk, they never offered proper help and even despised them reaching out to them for help.

    Their lack of concern and compassion helped the evil grow stronger. Embolded the, “Asians,” to prey upon even more children, teens and young men and women there.

    Really they were groomed and it was very unfair. The “Asians,” pick out orphanages even now,. to prey upon the most easily vulnerable … children with no fathers to protect them.

    And then the officers have a callous attitude that they’re just, “getting what they deserve.”

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  37. Larry G says:

    Stephanie, please know that I do not disagree with you about the fact that God can use ANY person, thing or situation for His purpose, He is God and will do as He pleases, often using the despised and lowly of this planet on purpose, I am not debating that point.

    Going back to lurking, this discussion IMO is played out.

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  38. Zman post on how Conservative, Inc is collapsing:

    https://thezman.com/wordpress/?p=22523#comments

    His most amusing post of the bunch thus far is this one, where he lays out his big strategy for the collection of rent boys and house slaves called the conservative movement. Down in the middle he writes, “The big technology companies are the most successful thing going economically in the United States; the Europeans, who have nothing to compare to a Facebook or a Google, resent them and fear them; Democrats hate them, blaming Facebook for the election of Trump in 2016.”

    This is what most people used to call a bald-faced lie. The Democrats love the tech oligarchs every bit as much as National Review and for the same reason. They both get gobs of cash from the Silicon Valley oligarchs. The tech companies are systematically erasing anything resembling dissent to the official orthodoxy. They are even erasing people Williamson would call allies. For old Kev, the only allies are those who can keep his refrigerators stocked. He’s happy to be an organ grinder’s monkey.

    Yes, the Democrats hate Big Tech, which funnels billions of dollars (real money and in kind contributions) to them every year, smears or de-platforms anyone who stands against the Democrats, and basically helps to rig elections for them. Yep, they hate Big Tech big heap much.

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  39. Google now has all your fitbit data.

    https://techcrunch.com/2021/01/14/googles-fitbit-acquisition-is-official/

    All your base heart rate belong to them.

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  40. Adam says:

    “… I had been emotionally involved a few times with women with enough of a record of promiscuity to make me vaguely uneasy. It is difficult to put too much value on something the lady has distributed all too generously. I have the feeling there is some mysterious quota, which varies with each woman. And whether she gives herself or sells herself, once she reaches her own number, once X pairs of hungry hands have been clamped tightly upon her rounded undersides, she suffers a sea change wherein her juices alter from honey to acid, her eyes change to glass, her heart becomes a stone, and her mouth a windy cave from whence, with each moisturous gasping, comes a tiny stink of death …”

    John D MacDonald
    Darker than Amber

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  41. b g says:

    Okay, I laughed ;-D

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  42. Cheque d'Out says:

    As a numbers guy, I’d have loved to have the fitbit data. But I saw no reason whatsoever that all the number crunching required couldn’t be done locally in the user’s pad/PC; it’s not rocket science – there was no need for a remote based service. So it was basically spyware as far as I was concerned. So I never signed up.

    According to youtube streams that I’ve seen, the Chinese people don’t care about privacy (or expect to be spied upon). Looks like a lot of round-eyes agree or are too dumb to see the issue.

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  43. horsemanbombadil says:

    Going over Deti’s article from 2017 It’s Going to Get Really Bad For Men
    Boy did he call it

    “Trump is probably a one-termer. In 2020 he’ll likely be replaced with someone more Establishment. Expect the Dems to run Cory Booker for an attempt at Obama’s third term, or Liz Warren, or even Hillary again. He’ll be replaced with someone more willing to do the Cathedral’s bidding soon enough. But the damage is done. Identity politics reigns supreme now, and there’s no going back for the foreseeable future. There is so much distrust and discord among the factions that I don’t see how it can ever be repaired. The US really isn’t even a nation anymore, if it ever was. Race relations are the worst they’ve been in my conscious memory (about 40 years) and there’s no end in sight to their deterioration.

    There is increasing radicalization across the board in all spectra: race, socioeconomic status, gender, ethnicity, political philosophy, nationality, you name it. There’s no common ground anymore, nor even efforts to find common ground. This can be sustained in the short term (<20 years) but not in the long term. The lid will eventually blow off the boiling pot.

    Why would any sane man even try to form a family in these times?"

    And

    "There are a number of other reasons for what I think will be very bleak times ahead. More and more men are underperforming in schools, which causes them to underperform in higher education and job training, which causes them to underperform in employment and earning. They will earn just enough to support themselves, but not enough to support a wife or a family. And our society has been trending this way for years."

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  44. Cheque d'Out says:

    I see the grooming issue as enabled from the top of politics (the sewer) on down. Plenty of blame to share all around. From top to bottom. The current alleged government is hardly making a big fuss over the ongoing prosecutions and crimes either.

    Fathers trying to protect their kids were threatened with prosecution for hate crimes (hate crimes attract greater sentences). I’m sure that any good cops were threatened with similar. The leader of the prosecution service (who failed to prosecute many/most cases) was keir starmer. He’s currently the leader of the laba party. The stench starts at the top and runs down to the bottom of the gene pool (kiddy rapists).

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  45. Ame says:

    compassion must be guarded.

    proven repentance is necessary; not an option. and proving repentance takes time.

    God is a God of redemption, however, that redemption often looks a lot different from how we desire it to look. and it always costs something. our sin costs something. there is always death with sin. hopes and dreams included in the things that die.

    it’s one thing to be sorry; it’s another to be repentant.

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  46. horsemanbombadil says:

    And Ton nailing it

    “what can’t continue, won’t.
    ……….

    True, but the fall out from the Not continuing usually sucks much ass.

    Either way, men need to be ready for some tough times that are likely to get much worse and stay that way for near on a generation or so”

    And

    “Sure the future always belongs to those types but do you think they will just hold hands and skip off into the sunset on the most glorious rainbow ever into a land of milk and honey with pots of gold behind every tree?”

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  47. Stephanie says:

    From Adam’s quote, which I agree, is accurate, it made me think of how even Rahab’s name literally meant, “Wide as a road,” almost to point out the crude humor that she was a whore.

    It’s crazy then, that God chose to literally *name* her and point her out in the New Testament as being a righteous ancestor female of the Messiah Himself.

    “Wide as a Road (the whore)” is pointed out as having shown more virtue and honor to God than the people who were like Achan (another Israelite in the Jericho story when ended up betraying them and dying for it).

    The lesson of Rahab and then right after, Achan (a supposedly righteous man) is that sometimes the people who we EXPECT to be “righteous,” really don’t choose to and then they really pay for it. These are Christians who refuse to do what God calls them to.

    And then the people you’d least expect (Wide as a Road = Whore = Rahab) are the ones God chooses to work through. In large part, to humiliate the people like Achan who were God’s people and blessed but refused to provide that blessing to others.

    It’s crazy.

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  48. horsemanbombadil says:

    And some horseguy, gee 2017 was a forward looking year.

    But it is a catch 22. Women need security to be feminine. Men need a reason to come out of easy mode to provide it. As you said, many begin and say nah its not worth it.

    Also the jadedness of most men. We can forgive much but once the line is crossed it is indelibly permanent. My first reaction to a feminine woman under 50? Whats her angle? Why the act. It would take many, many, many interactions for me to actually believe it. Even if I did, she would have to enter my family, my circle of friends to be deemed worthy of my protection.

    “Would you die for them Riddick?”
    ‘Not for them.”

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  49. Stephanie says:

    Josephus… the historian who lived right after Jesus died, says this of Rahab,

    “… she was brought to Joshua, and Joshua owned to her that he owed her thanks for her preservation of the spies: so he said he would not appear to be behind her in her benefaction to her (but instead, protect her); whereupon he gave her certain lands immediately, and had her in great esteem ever afterwards.”

    Then Josephus goes straight into Achar’s humiliating story, right after, “Wide as a Road’s,” story, they are juxtaposed in the Bible also for this reason, to show that great esteem and God’s favor shines on those we least expect it, and the ones that **should** be due it, are destroyed by their own actions to reject doing God’s will for them.

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  50. That’s the the thing with all these “apps”; they’re not free, you’re paying for them with your privacy/data. Fuck that. Here’s $30 for your program, now leave me alone.

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  51. Larry G says:

    “Josephus… the historian who lived right after Jesus died, says this of Rahab,

    “… she was brought to Joshua, and Joshua owned to her that he owed her thanks for her preservation of the spies: so he said he would not appear to be behind her in her benefaction to her (but instead, protect her); whereupon he gave her certain lands immediately, and had her in great esteem ever afterwards.”

    just curious why you are putting some bit of weight on what a Jewish writer who worked for the Romans says about Biblical stories and characters? NONE of what you quote is in the Bible..if I am mistaken, please site a chapter & verse

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  52. JPF says:

    Re the following comment from Stephanie: Boaz was not able to find a wife even though he had become wealthy. My guess is he wasn’t suave enough/attractive enough… even though he was well-respected by the people there, he had no heir to all he owned, he had no wife to love him, to, “see,” him, it’s very strange when you think about it.

    So women have been stupid for over 3000 years. Thanks Stephanie; I had not thought of this previously.
    Think about this; Boaz was:
    – rich
    – obedient to God’s commands, as shown by his obedience to allowing gleaners, even though this had a direct financial consequence to him
    – generous, even above what God required, as shown by his actions toward Ruth, and again, this had a direct financial consequence to him
    – healthy enough to be working hard, physically, in the field
    – strong enough that he thought he could protect his grain pile by himself
    – was respected by his workers

    And despite him living out his life in the community, being a rich man who obeyed God, could more than provide for a family, and was generous….. he had no wife. How many stupid women came across his path, and ignored him?

    This could be the basis for a good sermon for young men. Yes, you are striving to be a good man of God, and a wise man with your personal decisions, work habits and finances. And yet the young women ignore you, and make clear you are not good enough for them. Well, here is a good man from the Bible who was similarly rejected by the women of his own community. You are not alone.

    And, as a second point to the sermon, we could add: The women of his community were so stupid and foolish that Boaz could not find a good wife from among his community. So he took a foreigner. Maybe you should similarly consider ignoring the “women” in your community, and find a woman that knows how to be loyal and grateful — just as Ruth clearly demonstrated she was in the book of Ruth. According to Boaz, Ruth also was not a woman known to “chase after men (plural)”.

    What an uplifting message! And just as importantly, edifying; it provides a helpful solution for men who are struggling, rather than just giving them a pat on the head. If you find yourself swimming in shit, leave and go to a lake with clear waters!

    It would not be necessary to address the women in this sermon. For those who are willing to hear and be corrected, they will, despite not being directly addressed.

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  53. Stephanie says:

    Because he knew the historical records, was pouring over them and the decrees made and by whom.

    Boaz’ wealth, in large part, came because of his father being Salmon, one of the spies who risked their lives, and his mother being the virtuous Rahab, who provided Joshua with the victory, and so was awarded lands (massive wealth back then) and recorded as such. Both his parents were heroes not taken lightly, and historical records (according to Josephus) show them being awarded lands due to their actions.

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  54. Larry G says:

    JPF, I do like the perspective you see in Ruth! That would be a great sermon!

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  55. Larry G says:

    off topic alert..my Mrs. just brought me a cup of coffee and asked very sweetly if she could get her long, pretty hair trimmed tomorrow. It comes down to the middle of her back right now, so I gave her permission to trim off a few inches, about shoulder length. Good cup of coffee too…

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  56. RichardP says:

    Sorry for the length. I don’t have time to write something shorter.

    tl/dr: When a woman can get food and shelter through socially-accepted means, she will. I know that “sugar babies” are an exception to that, but they only prove the rule. Prostitution is the oldest profession for a very biological reason. Most women don’t have the strength to plow 100 acres and chop down trees with which to build a house and barn. If a woman doesn’t have a man to do that for her (or the equivalent), she still needs food and shelter. If she is to survive, she will get food and shelter by using whatever she has of value at her disposal. For this reason, calls from older women to younger women to avoid prostitution / porn are going to fall on deaf ears. If the only way you can eat is to give your body to someone else, you’re going to give your body to some else. Or else just simply die.
    ————–

    Women need security to be feminine.

    From the time I was able to comprehend adult conversation, I have heard versions of the following:

    We need [fill in the blank]. If we don’t get [fill in the blank], these bad things will happen.

    But, when we don’t get [fill in the blank], and the predicted bad stuff happens, these same folks argue that the folks who got whammed by the bad stuff are at fault for getting whammed, and must accept personal responsibility for it. Which destroys their argument for needing [fill in the blank] or bad stuff will happen. In this example, that is a binary situation. Either the bad stuff happens because we didn’t get the [fill in the blank], so that individuals whammed by that are not responsible for what happened to them. Or the individuals themselves can keep the bad stuff from happening to them by specific actions of their own, in which case, we don’t really need [fill in the blank].

    We need patriarchy – because, without it, women can’t [fill in the blank].

    So we abolish patriarchy. And, as predicted, women can’t [fill in the blank]. But we don’t let them off of the hook by blaming the absence of patriarchy. We blame the women for not employing their own agency to do what we said they couldn’t do without patriarchy. Which puts the lie to our initial claim that we need patricarchy – because, without it, women can’t [fill in the blank].

    Are there some things that women just cannot do, no matter how much agency they exercise? If the answer to that question is “yes”, then we are not being honest when we say their misfortune is on their own head, because they could have chosen differently.

    There is a lot of bad reasoning in this thread, of the sort discribed in this post.

    Without an education, there is very little work available to women. Without an education, women don’t have the skill sets to find information about what employment might be available to them. A present dad might help daughter find a husband who can put food on their table for her to eat. A father who is not there cannot help his daughter with that.

    It’s your own fault for not knowing how to take care of yourself. If that actually is true, then children don’t need parents. If children actually do need parents, then those whose parents are absent physically or emotionally are going to grow into a deficient adult. Let’s blame the child / young adult for those deficiencies, right.

    And it is those deficiencies that allow the sort of exploitation that was alluded to upthread. The exploitation is real. The reasons why it can happen are real. But the kids should just exercise their agency and get themselves out of the exploitation, right. Because agency “just is”, right. Agency is not dependent at all on whatever skill sets one may or may not have, right.

    When something happens, and the reality of one’s next meal disappears without warning, guys are in a much better position because of their strength derived from testosterone. They can steal food or fight someone for food, etc. Gals historically have had to rely on a different kind of strength, often labled “feminine wiles”. The gals whose next meal has disappeared, and they don’t have any feminine wiles, will starve to death. The gals who have feminine wiles sufficient to attract their next meal will survive, maybe even thrive.

    This has been the story of guys and gals for all of history. It is hard to wrestle a good crop from the ground. It requires much energy – energy that guys have as a group and gals do not have as a group. Why is it again that gals are not as good at wrestling a crop from the ground as the guys are? Because they choose to not exercise their agency?? Is that the only difference between male and female – the females are less willing to exercise their agency? We all know that is bull.

    There are real differences between male and female, strength being one of them. Strength that is needed in order to procure food and shelter (farming and chopping down trees). Females generally get to share in the rewards of what the males produce at this level only by offering some incentive to the male. And that something is usually of a sexual nature. The need for that transaction cannot be done away with when the modern labor-saving devices are not available.
    ————-

    I know what I have said in this post is true, because wife and I have spent considerable time with young women whose parents have split just at the moment they needed the parents help to either get educated enough to find a job or find a husband. Wife and I have sat with these young women who truely do not know where their next meal is coming from. Do enough of that, boots on the ground, and you will truely come to understand the difference in options there are between young men and young women in this position. For the too many young women that end up in this situation, turning to the man who will feed them is more an act of desperation than a failure to exercise agency. And that quiet desperation is what leads to surviving through prostition or porn. More often than not.

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  57. Farm Boy says:

    Tom Cruise has shelled out “huge sums” for two high-tech robots to enforce coronavirus safety protocols on the set of “Mission: Impossible 7” – and also administer spot tests to the crew, according to a report.

    “Tom is so serious about making sure the shoot isn’t shut down that he’s splashed out on these robots as he can’t be everywhere to ensure people are behaving themselves,” a source on the set told The Sun…

    “The robots are really sophisticated and rather intimidating. It’s like the Terminator only not as violent,” the source added.

    https://pagesix.com/2021/01/14/tom-cruise-buys-robots-to-enforce-covid-19-safety-report/

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  58. Farm Boy says:

    Whereas the Christmas Special used to get ratings in the 12 million, 13 million range, the latest “Festive Special” got… 4.69 million.

    The absolute lowest of the rebooted Doctor Who.

    And so, it’s about time to finally admit what was obvious three years ago: Fake Doctor Who is a complete failure.

    The putative star of Fake Doctor Who, Jodie Whittaker, is reportedly “quitting” the show.

    And the BBC isn’t denying it.

    Is she quitting or is she fired? Probably something like “quitting to avoid being fired.”

    Being a high-profile failure for more than three years straight isn’t good for anyone’s career.

    For three years, the media has colluded to lie that the show was not just good, but among the best versions of itself ever.

    Because they couldn’t admit that Woke Doctor Karen was a failure.

    Now that the ever-falling ratings make it impossible to maintain that lie, the media switches to a new tack: Yes the show is awful, but it’s the BBC’s fault, not Jodie Whitaker’s.

    http://ace.mu.nu/archives/392046.php

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  59. Larry G says:

    not Photoshopped…honest

    [Source of Covid19 this would be?]

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  60. Farm Boy says:

    Some are calling for Facebook to be banned from the app store after a Washington Post report revealed that a great deal of the Capitol Hill riot was planned on Mark Zuckerberg’s platform

    https://summit.news/2021/01/14/calls-for-facebook-to-be-removed-from-app-store-after-revelation-much-of-capitol-hill-rioting-was-planned-there/

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  61. h0neyc0mb says:

    She IT really grew into its ears .. so precious 😉

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  62. tb20driver says:

    the innocence is scary.

    No one heals. People have the scars of their past for the rest of their life.

    They may not let you see them, but they are there Forever.

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  63. Larry G says:

    TB, where did that come from?

    “the innocence is scary.
    No one heals. People have the scars of their past for the rest of their life.
    They may not let you see them, but they are there Forever.”

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  64. Gunner Q says:

    “Tom Cruise has shelled out “huge sums” for two high-tech robots to enforce coronavirus safety protocols on the set of “Mission: Impossible 7” – and also administer spot tests to the crew, according to a report.”

    Cool! *checks* hey, where are the robot pics? There were supposed to be robot pics. All I’m seeing is Tom Cruise trying to act… oh.

    So, where’s the other robot?

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  65. horsemanbombadil says:

    Farm stuff. Plus him taking 8000 volts is funny (I do it to myself at least once a month)

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  66. tb20driver says:

    @Larry G

    unfortunately, from seeing too many scarred lives.

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  67. Larry G says:

    Unfortunately no one gets out of various beatings from this world and collecting the scars to prove it. Wounds hurt like a bitch when first inflicted, and can be lethal at times…The best I can think of is that after 68 years of collecting scars, I look like Conan the Fucking Barbarian

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  68. Larry G says:

    for once…a FEMALE ATM machine!!

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  69. Cill says:

    There are 3 regattas in the Americas Cup this time. The first, the Christmas Cup, was won by NZ late last year. Team UK had a disastrous Christmas Cup.

    The second regatta is the Prada Cup, which determines which team will be the challenger for the America’s Cup. Today in the first race of the Prada Cup, Team UK beat the much-favored Team USA in a near-perfect display of sailing. UK Skipper Ben Ainsley showed his true quality. There are months of sailing still to come so it is far too early to be drawing any conclusions.

    Link: Massive Upset in first race of Prada Cup

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  70. Cill says:

    Second race has just started. Team UK made a perfect start against Luna Rossa (Jimmy Spithill)

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  71. Bitteroldman says:

    Very true, TB. And when it comes to scarring, no one can hurt you like family. They can lie with a smile. And sometimes it can take decades to find out how thoroughly they screwed you over.

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  72. Cill says:

    Team UK beat Luna Rossa (Team Italy). Two out of two for Ben Ainsley and the Poms. Pre-regatta USA and Italy were considered to be the 2 top challengers.

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  73. Larry G says:

    Cill, anyone taking wagers on which boat sinks first?

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  74. Ame says:

    Cheque d’Out
    9h ago
    I’m not very surprised by Stephanie’s reaction. It’s a very female one. Centred on the individual woman. This isn’t a bad instinct at the individual level. I just think that it’s a mistake at the societal level.

    Instant forgiveness for any transgression might help the individual (the female instinct) but I suspect that it damages society as a whole (the male instinct is to avoid this).

    in my sexual abuse recovery group we spent a good amount of time on forgiveness. one of the things we learned was that forgiveness takes time. we learned that the depth of the offense determines the amount of time needed to forgive. if we flippantly or too easily forgive, we devalue the offense.

    it took me ten years to forgive my mother – i began that process when i was 20 and completed it when i was 30 – so it took half the time i’d already lived to forgive her when i began the process.

    i think one of the HUGE issues with forgiveness is ignoring what our actions did to other people – some of which have caused serious harm to others. to easily let off the offender/perpetrator of the offense(s) is to say the hurt caused is irrelevant.

    my sister is having a difficult time with this with my niece. she wants everything to just be forgiven, but she doesn’t want to allow my niece to work through all that stuff … she doesn’t want to go back and face that stuff and own it and ask forgiveness for it. and this has damaged their relationship. just today my Oldest and i were face-timing with my niece and her baby girl, and i saw this pain on my niece’s face … and i think it was her watching my Oldest and me, knowing she and her mom don’t have the same relationship. and i know she longs for it b/c i still long for the same with my mom.

    it is extremely, extremely rare to find one who is truly repentant. the repentant owns their sin, owns their choices, without boasting about them and without blaming others and without whining. they willingly accept what they did and that what they did hurt others. they have gone to those whom they have wounded and asked for forgiveness and tried, when appropriate and necessary, to make restitution for their sin. and they have accepted the consequences of those choices. they don’t have to live ‘in’ those choices anymore, as they are forgiven by Christ, but they do have to accept that they are a part of who they are.

    the women at the well, when she went back to the village to tell the others about Jesus, said that this man told her all about herself – she acknowledged that *this* is who i am, and, still, He forgave me.

    a repentant person makes it about Jesus and others. a non-repentant person makes it about themself.

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  75. Farm Boy says:

    Antifa Protester John Sullivan Brags About Posing As Trump Supporter, Breaking Window At US Capitol Building During Riots

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/

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  76. Farm Boy says:

    CNN-NPR Photo-Journalist Jade Sacker was Embedded with Antifa Leader John Sullivan During Siege of US Capitol – Cheered “We Did It!” After Inciting Riot

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/01/huge-cnn-npr-reporter-jade-sacker-embedded-antifa-leader-john-sullivan-siege-us-capitol-cheered-inciting-riot-video/

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  77. Farm Boy says:

    Trump Team’s Peter Navarro Drops Third Major Report on Historic Election Fraud — Confirms “Trump Won”

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/01/breaking-trump-teams-peter-navarro-drops-third-report-providing-proof-trump-won/

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  78. Farm Boy says:

    “We developed some intelligence that a number of individuals were planning to travel to the D.C. area with intentions to cause violence,” Assistant Director Steven M. D’Antuono said. “We immediately shared that information, and action was taken.”

    The New York Police Department is reported to have given the Capitol Police similar intelligence warnings of impending violence.

    The chief federal prosecutor in Washington declared Tuesday he is pursuing conspiracy charges, signaling the attacks on the Capitol involved multiple acts and multiple conspirators working in concert with each other.

    https://justthenews.com/government/congress/three-critical-questions-about-capitol-siege-remain-unanswered

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  79. Farm Boy says:

    The Republicans who like to go begging for favor from the mainstream media will always tell you that they’re driven by conscience and deep principles.
    That, my friends, is a trainload of hooey.
    They’re pathetic emotional midgets who are desperate for attention. If they became full-time Democrats, they’d just be one in a big crowd. If they remain Republican, they’ve got an easy, albeit brief, attention fix. Whenever their fellow Republicans need them, all they have to do is slip a shiv in their backs and they get a pure hit of New York Times love for a few days.
    There have been a few Republicans running for cover since the riot at the Capitol. And by “running for cover: I mean “saying whatever the Democrats want you to say.”

    http://ace.mu.nu/

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  80. Farm Boy says:

    Biden Pick To Head Up DOJ Civil Rights Division Said Blacks Were Superior To Whites Physically/Mentally…

    https://www.weaselzippers.us/462637-biden-pick-to-head-up-doj-civil-rights-division-said-blacks-were-superior-to-whites-physically-mentally/

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  81. Farm Boy says:

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  82. Farm Boy says:

    “Leave Democrats to their own devices, and they will screw themselves politically, just when they are at the height of power”

    The only question is how much damage they will do along the way, and how we can protect ourselves.

    https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/01/leave-democrats-to-their-own-devices-and-they-will-screw-themselves-politically-just-when-they-are-at-the-height-of-power/

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  83. Cheque d'Out says:

    What else could you expect when competence and determination to do a professional job aren’t on the list of hiring criteria?

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1383908/brexit-news-fishing-minister-nativity-boris-johnson-Ian-Blackford-Victoria-prentis

    Fishing minister DIDN’T READ Brexit deal because she was ‘busy organising Christmas event’
    FURY has erupted after a fisheries minister admitted she failed to read the Brexit trade deal because she was too busy organising a Christmas event.

    Fishing minister Victoria Prentis yesterday said she did not read the deal when it was published on Christmas Eve because she was busy having festive fun. She said, rather than assessing the deal ahead of a crucial vote, she was “very busy organising local Nativity trail”.

    Her comments sparked outrage among the fishing community, with many arguing the deal does not do enough to protect UK fishermen.

    She admitted “things are tricky at the moment” after Scottish fishermen faced staggering losses due to the Brexit trade deal.

    But appearing before a Commons committee, she added: “I think the deal is a good one for the UK, in fisheries terms, it’s true to say that we had, as an industry, dreamed some pretty big dreams and in some cases it’s true to say that we didn’t get everything we asked for.”

    Sack her. She’s clearly more interested in playing in the social activities of the local community than she is in being an elected politician. Sack her.

    (Some might suggest that she resigns…LOL. There can be no repercussions for incompetence as long as you have accusations of isms to hide behind)

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  84. Cheque d'Out says:

    FTR I am still on coffee…for now

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  85. Cheque d'Out says:

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  86. Cheque d'Out says:

    I used to think that Steve Baker was the future…once upon a time.

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  87. Cheque d'Out says:

    Oh look! He’s folded already

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  88. Cheque d'Out says:

    Cancer

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  89. Cheque d'Out says:

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  90. tb20driver says:

    @Bitteroldman

    That is so true. And probably the saddest betrayal of all.

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  91. Farm Boy says:

    Trump, to almost everyone’s surprise, wins. So how do big government, big business, elite experts and so on, i.e., the establishment, react, from his fans’ perspective? Without even giving Trump a chance, they decree that he is illegitimate, that he needs to be resisted, and that his voters are beyond redemption; “this is 1932 in Germany” was not a rare reaction.

    So, from these voters’ perspective, the one time in their lifetimes and much longer a president comes around who really speaks to their worldview, the establishment tries to destroy him. Rather than the anti-Trump sentiment persuading them, it makes them stronger supporters, people who see Trump as their weapon against an establishment that disparages them.

    https://reason.com/volokh/2021/01/14/on-the-appeal-of-trump-to-trump-ffans/

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  92. Why didn’t Cruise just hire a dozen of the minions from his cult for $20/hour?

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  93. tb20driver says:

    @CdO

    kind of amazed that Sky News Australia, seems a bit more balanced if not kinda pro-Trump in some regards.

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  94. 80’s remakes are a fun topic for me.

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  95. Gunner Q says:

    “Why didn’t Cruise just hire a dozen of the minions from his cult for $20/hour?”

    Too dangerous. They’re all asymptomatic! I predict those new robots will be hosed down with hand sanitizer so many times, the insulation will peel off the wiring.

    The Left really is losing its mind.

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  96. JPF says:

    Richard wrote So we abolish patriarchy. And, as predicted, women can’t [fill in the blank]. But we don’t let them off of the hook by blaming the absence of patriarchy. We blame the women for not employing their own agency

    There is nothing wrong with blaming every individual woman for this. Because she could have chosen to live in submission to her father and then her husband, but she chose not to.
    No one forced her to be a slut with 3 men before deciding she wanted a “serious relationship”. No one forced her to insist on finding men on her own, rather than asking her father to find a husband for her. No one forced her to give the best years of her life to university and frat boys, so that she had no youth and little fertility left by the time she suddenly realized she wanted a husband.

    Yes, we as a society have walked away from God, and this encourages people to go in the wrong direction. But each person who sins or makes a foolish choice did make the decision to do so.

    Without an education, there is very little work available to women.

    Not correct. When I was 21, I would have been thrilled to have a father offer his 17 year old daughter to me as a wife. And she could have worked to help my family. No outside job required, although we would have been poor for the first couple years. Or she could have had a low-paying job to help out, rather than to bear 100% of the costs of living.

    If children actually do need parents

    This part is correct. Not having a father in the home is a big deficiency. Some sins, like a selfish woman divorcing her husband, stealing his possessions and stealing his children, will have consequences for 3 and 4 generations; see Exodus 20:3-6. The bad life for children of a harlot should be a warning to the rest of society; instead, we collectively try to help the harlot and her children escape the consequences of the harlot’s sins, and try to make everyone equal.
    We should be shaming the harlot, and using the live of the harlot and her children to scare our own daughters into staying on the straight and narrow road. “You know that slut, Susie, from down the street? Did you notice that many guys want to date her, but none of them want to marry her? Do you want attention only from guys that see you as a sex object but not as a woman worthy of marriage?”

    Is it fair to be the child of a harlot? No, we should clearly admit that. But a proper solution would be to clearly admit that the problem is not in being a child; the problem is being the child of a harlot. If we admit this, then we could help intelligently.
    What is more intelligent? To let the harlot continue to ruin the foundation of the children’s lives until they are 18 and finally have the legal right to make their own decision to leave, and only then try to help them?
    Or to take the children away from the harlot immediately, and put them in an orphanage or with a proper family, and remove the Satanic influence of the harlot? I am sure life in an orphanage is no picnic. But it would be more likely to lead to a good result than subjecting the children to the influence and example of a sexually immoral woman. Just listen to the stories coming from Sharkly, whiteguy1 and others.
    I’ll admit that our society is not helping these children. But any failure is not due to refusing to help those children after they have turned 18. It is due to not immediately taking the children away from the harlot, either as soon as she leaves her husband or gives birth without a husband. Instead of kissing up to the harlot, we should shame her.

    I am not sure that it is right to try to help the children of a harlot; the Bible nowhere says to take a harlot’s children, to give those children a better life. But perhaps taking the children immediately would be better than encouraging a harlot to continue in her life choices, thereby not only encouraging her to have more children, but also encouraging her slut friends to do the same.
    The root problem is not society; it is the harlot. And that is her own choice.

    I am glad that you and your wife try to advise/guide young women. Boots on the ground are worth more than a thousand keyboard preachers.

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  97. Cheque d'Out says:

    Is a quarter of a million acres of farmland considered a lot?
    Asking for a townie friend. And a British one at that

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  100. Cill says:

    “Cill, anyone taking wagers on which boat sinks first?” (Larry)

    They do look like an accident waiting to happen, I have to admit. The 75′ hull flies above the water, kept up there entirely by the rudder and a side foil (a small wing-like fin). Yesterday they reached speeds of 43 knots, about 50 mph, in a true wind speed of 16 knots. If the hull does “touch down” (fall into the sea) it will slow down to less than 9 knots very quickly, like hitting a brick wall.

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  101. https://greatgameindia.com/norway-investigation-covid-19-vaccine/

    Norway has launched an investigation after 23 people who were administered experimental COVID-19 vaccine died. 13 deaths have been directly linked to the coronavirus vaccine’s side effects by the Norwegian Medicines Agency.

    Yeah, none for me, thanks.

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  102. Gunner Q says:

    “Is a quarter of a million acres of farmland considered a lot?”

    Buying land is a strong hedge against inflation. Gates might just be positioning himself for the Great Reset.

    Or, he’s building cockroach farms with which to replace our beef. I plan to investigate.

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  103. Cheque d'Out says:

    Chinese plant, or, to be more specific; vegetable

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  104. We’re Pfizer, you can trust us!

    https://greatgameindia.com/pfizer-fraud-settlement/

    Pfizer plead guilty for misbranding Bextra with the intent to defraud or mislead. Bextra is an anti-inflammatory drug that Pfizer pulled from the market in 2005.

    Pfizer promoted the sale of Bextra for several uses and dosages that the US FDA (Food and Drug Administration) specifically declined to approve due to safety concerns. The company paid a criminal fine of $1.195 billion, the largest criminal fine ever imposed in the United States for any matter. Pfizer also had to forfeit $105 million, for a total criminal resolution of $1.3 billion.

    In addition, Pfizer agreed to pay $1 billion to resolve allegations that the company illegally promoted four drugs – Bextra; Geodon, an anti-psychotic drug; Zyvox, an antibiotic; and Lyrica, an anti-epileptic drug – and caused false claims to be submitted to government health care programs for uses that were not medically accepted indications and therefore not covered by those programs.

    The civil settlement also resolved allegations that Pfizer paid kickbacks to health care providers to induce them to prescribe these, as well as other, drugs. This is the largest civil fraud settlement in history against a pharmaceutical company.

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  105. Cheque d'Out says:

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  106. Gunner Q says:

    I checked up on Gates becoming Farmer Bob. This link did all the work for me and here’s the TL;DR: Gates partnered with Monsanto to force GMO on the world’s food supplies all at once while datamining even the dirt farmers of the Congo.

    https://www.independentsciencenews.org/commentaries/gates-ag-one-the-recolonisation-of-agriculture/

    “The most blatant example being the World Economic Forum’s World Food Systems Summit (WFSS), to be hosted in 2021, which is to be headed by former Rwandan Minister of Agriculture and president of (Gates-funded) AGRA (Alliance for a Green Revolution in Africa). In the concept paper for the summit there was no mention of agroecology, indigenous peoples or civil society. But it does specifically mention precision agriculture and genetic engineering as important for addressing future food security, while also expressing vocal support for the fourth industrial revolution around data.”

    Precision agriculture means robotic agriculture. I’m sure the “smallholder farmers who are mostly women” who can’t afford (or value) indoor plumbing will quickly embrace universal drone crop surveillance.

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  107. I didn’t know we’d gone to hyphenating religious affiliations in the U.S.

    Muslim-American?

    Do any other countries do this? Am I missing some obvious ones?

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  108. Ame says:

    Tim Kennedy

    WOW!!! What a crazy year! Society has been changing, civil unrest, a global pandemic, with it has come 8 million NEW people looking for ammunition. I like millions of other Americans have struggled finding ammunition not just for my recreation, my occupation, but also for my own security. I traveled to Bend Oregon to one of the largest ammo manufacturing plants in the United States to talk with John Nosler the CEO himself about where I can find ammo and why there is a shortage.

    video at link

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  109. Cill says:

    Yoda I done did a draft. Please deal to with it as the Force sees fit.

    [The Force strong in you it is]

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  110. Farm Boy says:

    I will never sell my farm to Bill Gates

    While Americans are being told by ‘Great Reset’ technocrats that the future is one without private property, Bill Gates and other billionaires have been buying up huge amounts of farmland

    https://summit.news/2021/01/15/bill-gates-buying-up-huge-amount-of-farmland-while-great-reset-tells-americans-future-is-no-private-property/

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  111. Farm Boy says:

    Florida Congressman Matt Gaetz… made it clear that while the riot at the Capitol was wrong, the Democrats were literally cheering on months of destruction and violence during the Black Lives Matter riots.

    And the Democrats really didn;t like hearing about it.

    During his time, Gaetz made it clear that rioting in any form is wrong, including the riots at the Capitol, but he had a message for Democrats.

    “But make no mistake, the left in America has incited far more political violence than the right,” said Gaetz. “For months our cities burned, police stations burned, our businesses were shattered, and they said nothing!”

    “Or, they cheerlead for it, and they fundraised for it, and they allowed it to happen in the greatest country in the world,” he continued.

    At this point, you could hear a commotion rising in the background as Democrats began to yell at Gaetz.

    “Some have cited the metaphor that the President lit the flame,” said Gaetz, his voice rising to drown out the shouting.

    “They lit actual flames!” he shouted. “Actual fires and we had to put them out!”

    Gaetz was cut off at this point.

    https://redstate.com/brandon_morse/2021/01/13/matt-gaetz-goes-nuclear-on-the-house-floor-calls-out-democrat-hypocrisy-and-fault-for-months-of-riots-n309367

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  112. Farm Boy says:

    Spruce Goose

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  113. Farm Boy says:

    But as news of the arrests comes out, showing who these branded Trump so-called supporters are, the conventional argument is starting to splinter apart.

    The arrests made in the riots case are starting to show the kind of people who like to riot, which is to say extreme leftists.

    https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2021/01/rush_to_judgment_on_trump_multiple_leftists_arrested_for_capitol_riot.html

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  114. Farm Boy says:

    The speed with which the media and Democrat politicians are changing their tune on COVID-19 lockdowns and business closures is becoming clearer. So obvious that many of us predicted it in advance. Now that Joe Biden has been elected, you don’t need to be emotionally and financially destroyed or miserable. After next week, there will no longer be a political opponent to blame it on.

    To think the draconian measures were a political strategy is certainly cynical. However, the authoritarian leaders at the forefront are giving us every reason to believe it. First, New York Governor Andrew Cuomo said that New York could not wait for complete vaccination to reopen during his State of the State address. Then Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot announced she was going to reopen bars and restaurants as quickly as possible. She said it was because people were not following guidelines at private gatherings. This seems more than a little absurd.

    https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/stacey-lennox/2021/01/15/the-narrative-on-covid-19-lockdowns-is-changing-now-that-joe-biden-won-n1388023

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  115. Sharkly says:

    “Do you want attention only from guys that see you as a sex object but not as a woman worthy of marriage?”

    LOL Don’t ask the question if you don’t want to hear the answer.
    If young women were honest, many would probably say that they want attention from the top 25% of men, and that those men in the top 15% who see them only as sex objects really get their juices flowing. And they’re not ready to settle for a marriage minded man, just yet.

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  116. RichardP says:

    @RichardP said upthread:

    tl/dr: When a woman can get food and shelter through socially-accepted means, she will. I know that “sugar babies” are an exception to that, but they only prove the rule. Prostitution is the oldest profession for a very biological reason. Most women don’t have the strength to plow 100 acres and chop down trees with which to build a house and barn. If a woman doesn’t have a man to do that for her (or the equivalent), she still needs food and shelter. If she is to survive, she will get food and shelter by using whatever she has of value at her disposal.

    From here:
    https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/amidst-pandemic-women-rush-sell-explicit-photos-themselves-onlyfans

    Such is the case for a number of women who, the midst of trying to earn money during the pandemic, have turned to OnlyFans to try and sell explicit photos of themselves. Many of these women are still struggling, despite their extra “efforts”, according to the New York Times, who profiled several new creators who have taken to the platform to “provide for themselves and their families”.

    The NYT claims the pandemic has taken “a particularly devastating toll on women and mothers” because the pandemic has “wiped out” industries like restaurants and healthcare, where women “dominate”.

    Angela Jones, an associate professor of sociology at the State University of New York at Farmingdale, said: “A lot of people are migrating to OnlyFans out of desperation. These are people who are worried about eating, they’re worried about keeping the lights on, they’re worried about not being evicted.”

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  117. Stephanie says:

    “I checked up on Gates becoming Farmer Bob. This link did all the work for me and here’s the TL;DR: Gates partnered with Monsanto to force GMO on the world’s food supplies all at once while datamining even the dirt farmers of the Congo.”

    The strange thing is that I’m afraid this will easily set-up China figuring out how to engineer (biologically or chemically) something that will be able to take out the world’s food supply, due to the GMO crops, causing world-wide famine possibly.

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  118. Stephanie says:

    They’re promising, “future food security,” and yet that very thing will be jeopardized.

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  119. RichardP says:

    JFP – thanks for your response.

    @JPF, in responding to my post, said this: Not having a father in the home is a big deficiency.

    I’m happy you understand that. And, for the most part, parental deficiences create difficient children who grow into deficient adults (without defining exactly what those deficiencies are).

    It would be useful for you to apply that understanding to the rest of my comments in my post. For it was that audience to which I was refering. See the ZeroHedge article I linked to in my post directly above this one.

    @JPF – you said my statement about education was wrong because When I was 21, I would have been thrilled to have a father offer his 17 year old daughter to me as a wife. It seems that you missed the point that I was refering to young women raised in an environment where there was no father present to do that.

    In terms of boots on the ground, it is eye-opening to be sitting across the table from young woman (16-18 years old) who have no idea about all of the programs available (government and charitable) available to help them with their financial need.

    How is a young woman to pull herself up by her own bootstraps, indeed, how is it justifiable to blame her for her own predicament (that she did not create) when:

    – she doesn’t know about the programs that are available to help her;

    – cannot carry a train of thought more than a step or two into the future, because she did not have parents who could/would have extended conversations with her where she could develop this ability;

    – she cannot fill out the forms required by the various agencies and charities that are required before they start their process of helping her. She doesn’t know much of the information requested (SSN, Drivers License #, etc.). And she doesn’t understand the question asked on the forms, so she cannot formulate a coherent response.

    This is what I mean when I say a certain level of education is necessary before any young women can begin to request the help that she needs. If she doesn’t know that help is available, if she doesn’t know where to find it, if she doesn’t know how to answer the questions asked of her before these agencies and charities will help her – if she does not know how to do any of that – how is it correct or useful to blame her for her predicament.

    Now JPF – please seriously consider this following question – for it is at the root of my first comment in this thread, to which you responded:

    Q: When the folks who troll the appropriate places to find young women of the sort I described in the previous paragraph find them, are they going to do what my wife and I do and educate the young women as to how they might find help through the agencies and charities that are available (although neither my wife and I, nor the pimp, can do much about their lack of ability to think at that point), or are they going to take these desparate young women into their prostitution / porn starlet harem and become their pimp and make money off of them?

    Secondary question, regarding the ZeroHedge article about the women turning to OnlyFans in order to earn the money they need in order to survive: how long do you think it is going to take the pimps to contact these desparate women and convince them that they can make the money they need through prostitution and making porn films?

    There are boots on the ground, as an idea. And then there are real boots on real ground, looking into real eyes of real desparate young women. You (the looker into real eyes) realizing that they don’t have the education they need in order to help themselves, nor the intelligence / thinking ability to understand the instructions about how they can get that help. I seriously doubt many, if any, of the commenters in this thread or at Jack’s place (SigmaFrame) have been at that table, looking into those eyes. Yet they never cease to shy away from exclaiming how appropriate it is to blame the victim.

    In this context, this young girls’ meme is more appropriate than not:

    @JPF, you said: Boots on the ground are worth more than a thousand keyboard preachers. I sincerely hope you understand the truth of what you said there. And I hope that you eventually become part of the solution (if you aren’t already), rather than part of the group simply standing there and criticizing that of which they know little if anything.

    Prostitution is the world’s oldest profession. So easy to say in polite company, where the thinking is shallow. But that cliche horrifies anyone who truely understands why that cliche is true.

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  120. RichardP says:

    The father of one of my niece’s husband is one of those evil Monsanto guys. He (husband) hasn’t yet figured out why we refer to them as those evil Monsanto guys. And so our conversations don’t stray very far from the banal.

    Stephanie – do you still pay attention to your angel … 86 … eMail. Don’t want to use it now, but probably later. If not, I can get to you through Ame.

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  121. RichardP says:

    Umm … I didn’t intend for that image to reveal itself. I intended a link for folks to click on if they desired.

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  122. RichardP says:

    “… cease to NOT shy away from …”

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  123. Stephanie says:

    “Contrary to what Bill Gates might think, agroecological food systems are overall more productive, more resilient to climate change, and provide greater livelihood security.”

    Natural crops are also more genetically diversified. They’re more resilient to plant viruses because their genetics are more diverse than GMOs.

    Spreading GMO/crops and making people dependent on them (for mostly political/economic gain by the Gates’) will make the world supply LESS resilient because they’ll be too genetically similar.

    It’s crazy how everything they say is literally backward!

    And then China comes along with just one biologically modified plant virus, could wipe out large scale GMO production worldwide, causing a worldwide famine.

    Just insane.

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  124. Stephanie says:

    “But in the end precision agriculture is a double edge sword. On the one hand it is just a way to placate critiques of the high costs of using chemical inputs, while on the other providing the means to reduce farmers to possible data sets to generate artificial models. This in turn reduces the world’s diversity to merely an environment to improve predictive models through the complete disregard for (even the concept of) living systems.”

    LOL It reminds me of the first Jurassic Park movie….
    It’s all perfectly designed, nothing should go wrong here… they’re all female dinosaurs…
    Let’s play God and alter the world in a drastic way…

    “The pivotal example of these consequences is the biopiracy being carried out through the convergence of information technology and biotechnology by taking patents through “mapping” genomes and genome sequences[55]. While living seed needs to evolve “in situ”, patents on genomes can be taken through access to seed “ex situ”. This undermines farmers’ rights as permission from the farmers is no longer necessary once the genome has been digitally mapped.153F[56]”

    And who is the expert of biopiracy and the exploitation of biopiracy right now? China.

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  125. Stephanie says:

    Yes, I do use that one.

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  126. RichardP says:

    Thanks Stephanie.

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