Blank Slate


Of course, there is the seemingly eternal debate about blank slates with respect to people; that is, can we imprint onto a young person a fully formed way of thinking/operating, one to our liking? This question is of supposedly great interest to Feminists (and lefties in general), as this is what they would really want to be able do.

Let us consider some recent recent anecdotal evidence. The Star Wars show, The Mandalorian recently had its Season Two finale.

Let Midnight’s Edge explain further,

Go to 12:18 if it didn’t already go there automatically

“The only people who don’t need Luke back are the ideologically driven nut jobs who tried to fundamentally change Star Wars and the millennia old concept of the hero’s journey”

Let us consider the hero’s journey. What is it? The hero struggles, he journeys, he has setbacks, he eventually overcomes. None of the Star Wars sequel characters comes close to fitting this description. But Luke Skywalker? Well, yes. You saw the results.

So what does any of this have to do with anything? It does seem that there is something inside people, a pre-dispostion if you will, to look favorably upon heros’s journey stories such as Luke Skywalker’s. If there is a pre-dispostion here, probably there are pre-dipsositions elsewhere. Perhaps there are even pre-dispostions that are separate for guys and gals. And maybe even, fighting those pre-dispositions is an uphill battle. What might this suggest about a blank slate?

Exit Question — How superior are Kathleen Kennedy and her minions when they seem to have trouble seeing what is happening?

Posted in FarmBoy, Feminism, Lies, Movie TV Review
134 comments on “Blank Slate
  1. Farm Boy says:

    Pretty much with any aspect of human development, you are not going to find a blank slate. Perhaps somebody might suggest something that is entirely a blank slate

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  2. Farm Boy says:

    One might think that “facts and logic” could be very powerful.

    Perhaps so powerful in fact that something like a blank slate would not be needed

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  3. Cheque d'Out says:

    Let’s not get hysterical, guys. But this is serious

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  4. Cheque d'Out says:

    As mentioned in the preceding thread

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  5. RichardP says:

    tl/dr: Our “understanding” is a thing we can legitimately point to as a blank slate. And it remains blank until our learning scribbles on it. And our ability to learn is constrained or enhanced by a number of biological and environmental factors. We could probably consider that desire (an emotion) can also be a blank slate, scribbled on by the endocrine system and experience.

    The term “blank slate” is a pretty primitive descriptor for how humans come to be aware.

    John Locke discussed the “blank slate” issue in depth because the people of his day thought that humans were born with certain principles embedded in their knowledge (born with a non-blank slate). Locke argued that principles such as X and Not X cannot both exist at the same time were principles that certain groups of folks had no knowledge of, and no curiousity about. That principle (and others) was not universally known, and so it could not be argued that that principle was scribbled on everyone’s slate at birth. Locke argued that the fact such principles could be learned was enough. We did not need to argue that everybody was born with that principle (and others) scribbled on their slate. (Locke’s argument about “blank slate” stuff was based on whether certain principles were inscribed at birth). Locke’s argument was that “learning” was the common denominator that explained why large groups of people (but not everbody) could all know certain principles as adults. As it pertained to principles only, Locke argued that newborns were indeed born with blank slates.

    We know now that information in the newborn is transmitted, beginning before birth, through at least two networks: the system of nerves that run throughout the body (electrical impulses) and the endocrine system (chemical / hormonal impulses). The neural connections of the newborn grow rapidly up to a certain point, based on the stimulation received. Past that certain point, the brain begins to prune itself, as the more frequently-used neural networks flourish and the less frequently-used neural networks wither away. Something similar happens with the endocrine system in response to the environment in which the newborn is raised. Constant exposure to things that trigger fight or flight responses in the newborn can lead to a young adult who faces life with a different emotional mind-set than one raised in an environment where such fight or flight triggers are reduced or non-existant.

    So – as it pertains to the issue of a blank slate – that blank slate exists in the newborn in that they do not have the principle that X and Not X cannot exist at the same time scribbled on their slate. But the silliness of the idea of a slate is made obvious by an in-depth study of neural networks and endocrine system performance in newborns, and how they develop to either facilitate or inhibit learning over time.

    And learning is the main point. Learning leads to understanding. And any given individual’s understanding IS a blank slate, until learning scribbles upon it. We learn the truths of the environment in which we grow up. The truths learned by a boy raised on a farm, who had to do chores every day and showed cows he has raised at the 4-H presentation are wildly different from the truths of the boy raised in South Central Los Angeles who never had enough to eat. And so is their understanding of many things different.
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    We don’t respond to what is.
    We can only respond to what is perceived.

    We take in stimuli from the world around us through our five senses. We make sense of
    this incoming stimuli through our cognition, our ability to think.

    The soundness of our five sense, the soundness of the biological basis of our brain, and
    the amount and quality of things we have been taught are the basis of our ability to
    perceive. Deficiencies in any of these will limit our ability to perceive. And we all have
    deficiencies of one sort or another. The brain cannot work well unless the biology of the
    body is willing.

    As our ability to perceive improves, the number of things we perceive will increase. In simplest terms, this means that, as we age and gain experience, our thinking changes. As our thinking changes, so does our understanding. Our understanding – that original blank slate.

    https://www.marxists.org/reference/subject/philosophy/works/en/locke.htm

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  6. Cheque d'Out says:

    Clegg is an ex-leader of the Illiberal Undemocrat party of the UK. Don’t send him back.

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  7. Cheque d'Out says:

    EU alarm bells ring as Boris can ‘RIP UP’ Brexit agreement and walk! – No deal STILL on cards!

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  8. Cheque d'Out says:

    We warned you Leo! Varadkar Brexit showboating backfires as Ireland crisis with Europe’s trend

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  9. Cheque d'Out says:

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  10. Farm Boy says:

    The participants at the Ellipse were for the most part in good spirits and remarkably friendly, just as they had been in other “Stop the steal” rallies I attended in D.C. on November 14 and December 12. Most attendees were white, and though most non-whites were Asian, two of the people who complimented me on my poster were African Americans. The main difference that struck me as unusual during this rally (apart from the three young men who boarded the train) was the frequent smell of marijuana.

    https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2021/01/worrisome_signs_the_capitol_breach_was_planned_to_discredit_trump_supporters_an_eyewitness_account.html

    I can vouch for the “remarkably friendly” nature of this type of protestor

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  11. Farm Boy says:

    Not precisely a breach

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  12. Farm Boy says:

    A UK police force is facing embarrassment after it angrily tweeted about “2 reports of snowballs being thrown” in violation of coronavirus lockdown rules.

    https://summit.news/2021/01/08/police-embarrassed-over-tweet-complaining-of-2-reports-of-snowballs-being-thrown-in-violation-of-lockdown/

    [Snow the U.K. has?]

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  13. Farm Boy says:

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  14. Farm Boy says:

    The short-sighted protesters stormed the Capitol without stealing a bunch of stuff, prompting many to question whether they really understand the purpose of a peaceful protest at all

    https://babylonbee.com/news/ignorant-republicans-riot-and-dont-even-get-a-free-big-screen-tv-out-of-it

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  15. Farm Boy says:

    I honestly hoped it was not true that there was massive fraud in the November 3 presidential election, even though that would mean the candidate I voted for lost. But due to statistical anomalies in vote counts which strongly point to artificial manipulation, convincingly presented by people much smarter than I am, coupled with suspicious maneuvers by officials in charge of the voting process, along with reports of questionable accumulation and counting of ballots, I found it hard to believe that the election was managed in a way that was fair and honest. But if there was a reasonable explanation for all of the apparent weirdness, I was ready to listen.

    As I write this we’re into January, yet Reasonable Explanation remains a no-show.

    https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2021/01/yes_it_was_a_fraudulent_election.html

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  16. Farm Boy says:

    Where a president speaking to his supporters at a rally is now an impeachable offense, and a guy taking selfies in the Speaker’s chair is the gravest threat to democracy since– oh, I don’t know, maybe since the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor, and the 25th amendment must be invoked RIGHT NOW and Trump must be impeached RIGHT NOW even though he’s only got two weeks left in his term of office. We haven’t just lost our minds, we’ve put them in a weighted canvas bag, taken them out into the Pacific and dropped them into the Marianas Trench.
    I don’t mean to minimize the violence, especially not against that poor woman who was shot at point-blank range by a Capitol police officer, but after a summer of burning cities, looting businesses, toppling monuments, widespread vandalism, and billions of dollars of property damage, this all sounds like an immense overreaction. I mean, seriously, the Democrats are running around with their hair on fire calling the protests a “coup” and an “insurrection”, an “invasion” and “an attempt to overthrow the government” ???. Like the crowd was going to set up some guy wearing buffalo cosplay as the country’s new CEO. Yes, windows were broken and offices were trespassed. But the media were all like “something like this has NEVER happened EVER BEFORE”, conveniently forgetting the 1954 U.S. Capitol terrorist attack by a group of Puerto Rican separatists who shot up the House of Representatives. Or, even more recently, when dozens of anti-Kavanaugh protestors “invaded” (what a great word that is) one of the Senate office buildings with nary a peep of alarm by the Democrat-media complex.

    And they’ve been very busy on social media today, frantically carving out exceptions for themselves to the “protests are bad” rule they are insisting they have always upheld. This is different, they say. This is an attempt to overthrow the government. Conveniently forgetting that overthrowing the government is antifa’s explicit raison d’etre. Donald Trump incited these riots, say they. Conveniently forgetting to explain what he actually said that incited the protestors, turning them into rioters.

    And this is a tired joke, but I’m going to say it anyway: given the immense size of the crowd (a million?) and the tiny number (50-100, I think) of protesters who actually broke into the building, why can’t we classify Wednesday’s rally as “mostly peaceful”? Especially since, at the end of the day, pretty much everybody simply went home. That was the supposed “coup”? That was the attempt to “take over” the government? Are you freaking kidding me? If that was the plan, then whoever plotted the coup was real bad at it.

    http://ace.mu.nu/archives/392017.php

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  17. Farm Boy says:

    As I’ve explained more times than I care to remember, the driving force behind Titania is my contempt for bullies. She’s an exercise in punching up at the predominantly middle-class woke authoritarians who patronise and demean minorities while claiming to defend them. This is why she describes herself as being “brave enough to stand up for the rights of minorities, even when they don’t know what’s best for themselves”. She embodies the kind of intolerant and illiberal activism that has been responsible for the rise of “cancel culture”, a retributive system of public shaming which is routinely denied by its own practitioners.

    A friend of mine explained the truth of it quite bluntly. He described how he had found himself defending me in a comedy club green room, after a group of comics were smearing me as “fascist-adjacent” or some such nonsense. As he put it, the insults struck him as performative, not dissimilar to how bullies at school will happily manufacture false reputations for their targets in order to justify their attacks.

    https://thecritic.co.uk/issues/january-february-2021/kicked-out-of-the-comedy-club/

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  18. Cheque d'Out says:

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  19. Stephanie says:

    Need Prayer Warriors!

    I’m in the middle of counseling a woman in her mid 20’s not to continue an emotional affair with a past love interest that randomly came into her life at a time where she and her husband are struggling financially etc. They’re mid-20s and married 3 yrs in. and married young. Been together since teenagers.

    I worried about them from the get-go.

    She’s a former model in our city and still models on the side (probably for ego somewhat?), and her husband is lower in SMV than her… noticeably so 😦

    I was hoping they’d be able to make it regardless, but it seems like Satan is testing things and trying to break them apart.

    She loves her husband, and she wants to break it off and doesn’t understand why she’s even pulled to this other man (all she knows is that it makes her feel happy, seen, and attractive to have him paying her attention).

    I told her this is going to happen at times because she is so attractive. She has to choose now, to fully love her husband and BLOCK DELETE ETC this other man, or she’ll lose her marriage, her witness for God, etc.

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  20. Stephanie says:

    The only reason I found out is that I could ***tell*** something was off.

    I’ve noticed things like that before, felt the pull to get involved and help the woman, and didn’t. Then months later they divorced and I felt somehow guilty I didn’t say anything.

    She was VERY glad I said something. She felt like she couldn’t even tell her own mother (who she still models for and who I also worked for years ago). And her mother is an awesome woman, so it’s crazy to me she couldn’t tell her and yet opened up to me.

    PRAY GOD USES MY INTERVENTION TO SAVE THEM. They really do love each other, and she’s going to have to get used to Satan pulling this trick from time to time, because she has a beauty that is timeless and will probably look that way into her 40’s.

    Anyway, THANK YOU … and sorry for the randomness. I’m sure I’m increasing y’all’s insurance I’m a nutcase LOL

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  21. Cheque d'Out says:

    Oh…oh dear

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  22. Cheque d'Out says:

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  23. She loves her husband, and she wants to break it off and doesn’t understand why she’s even pulled to this other man (all she knows is that it makes her feel happy, seen, and attractive to have him paying her attention).

    Are you effing kidding me? She loves her husband? She wants to break it off? She doesn’t understand? It just happened? It won’t happen again?

    Textbook hypergamy.

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  24. Sharkly says:

    They really do love each other, and she’s going to have to get used to Satan pulling this trick from time to time, because she has a beauty that is timeless and will probably look that way into her 40’s.

    I call bullshit! If she had the love of Christ in her she wouldn’t be having an online affair against Christ and her husband. She acts like a whore because she has the evil unregenerate heart of a whore. Right today she is headed to hell. It doesn’t matter what she claims about Christ. Her life proves that is a lie. She only loves herself.

    Ezekiel 16:32 You unfaithful wife! You desire strangers instead of your husband.

    It is only due to the unfaithfulness of her own heart that she disrespects her own husband by her treachery. I’m not saying that she can’t find other men attractive, but to be disloyal is her disloyal character showing. May the Lord rebuke that faithless cunt. To the degree that she does that to the least of men, she does it unto Christ. Christ will say “depart form me” to her if she does not repent by permanently renouncing and turning from that wickedness. We are saved by our faith, not by our faithlessness. Nobody with Christ as Lord does that. Don’t be deceived. The faithless go to hell.

    I don’t care what some lying hireling claims. She is on her way to hell! If she lives in willful sin, she does not belong to Christ, and Christ is not the Lord of her life. Those who fear God, flee from evil. Christians still transgress God’s holiness, but not continuously and willfully. That is the pattern of an unregenerate person.

    Tell her husband. He deserves a chance to defend his marriage. I know you will lose your friendship, but you might just save a marriage and a soul from hell. You should have no desire to stay friends with an unrepentant, worldly, and faithless cunt who is being disloyal to her husband. You should expect her to either reform or cut her out of your life. You will invariably become more like your friends. Don’t be cowardly, and a worthless friend. Please, for the sake of Jesus Christ, tell her husband. That is the right thing to do, even if she claims she is quitting, her husband can’t react properly and fulfill his role, if he is deceived. If she claims to be quitting, her husband can help to keep her reigned in and accountable, but only if he knows the truth. You’ll be doing her a favor, and honoring God’s patriarchal order by informing her husband before this gets out of hand. I will pray for you to have courage.

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  25. Ame says:

    Will pray. Remind her saying yes to one man means continuously and intentionally saying no to every other man for the rest of her life.

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  26. Sharkly says:

    Ame is right, “forsaking all others” is part of her marriage vow that she is breaking right now.

    Tell her husband! Before this gets any worse.
    The longer she indulges this sin, the more it gains mastery over her. Her husband is the only person who is her rightful earthly head. This ain’t your battle, Stephanie, it is theirs, and he may not even know he is being subverted right now. But he probably already knows things aren’t right. He will later thank you for your candor, even if he isn’t initially happy when finding out.
    Telling her husband is the right thing to do. I agree with what you have told her so far, but you need to finish your duty to God and her family by letting her head know what she shared with you, since she clearly hasn’t. Then he can do what he feels is right to resolve this, and the responsibility isn’t on you anymore then. Your responsibility before God will be mostly fulfilled by letting him know everything you know. After that you can encourage her to make penance and reconciliation to her husband, if she is still speaking with you. Perhaps later she might thank you too, when and if she wises up.

    And leave the “church” out of this, they’re fu*king idiots, and will only blame her husband and make things worse. If her church feared God and taught the Bible like how I now do, she might not have likely even ventured into that crap. But that poor dude is on his own in this day and age. Hopefully God will at least help him out through your faithfulness.

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  27. Stephanie says:

    “I call bullshit! If she had the love of Christ in her she wouldn’t be having an online affair against Christ and her husband. She acts like a whore because she has the evil unregenerate heart of a whore. Right today she is headed to hell. It doesn’t matter what she claims about Christ. Her life proves that is a lie. She only loves herself.”

    But Sharkly, I respect you as a brother in Christ, but how can you say this statement and not think of Kind David and what he did with Bathsheba (and killing her husband to boot)? 😦

    She’s extremely thankful I intervened and reached out to her, has said she thinks I probably saved their marriage. She does agree it’s Satan trying to tempt her away and ruin everything in her life and realizes continuing down this dangerous path is wrong.

    She asked me what to do so I told her to delete him off everything, block him etc. And then focus on loving her husband. Focus on having a wonderful sex life with him. I told her to do actions and the feelings will grow and to ask God to bless their life and sex life.

    I do wish she had chosen someone she was extremely attracted to, I think that makes life easier overall, especially for someone with her looks (who will continue to have men come on to her in this way).

    But I won’t destroy something in her husband. I won’t come between them Sharkly.

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  28. Sharkly says:

    But I won’t destroy something in her husband. I won’t come between them Sharkly.

    Lies and excuses™! That’s just your godless cowardice justifying itself. You’re taking the side of the deceiver, and not living in the Truth.(Jesus) I know my advice may not sound familiar or be supported by Cosmopolitan magazine or your local churchian franchise. But if you don’t do it, you will answer to God on your judgement day for why you refused to be truthful to that man, but joined in hiding the truth from him. I am losing respect for you over this. Please don’t make excuses for your sin of cowardice. There is a man who has been cheated on, and you’re helping to hide his cuckolding. Nobody should do that. No man deserves to be treated like that. This same shit happened to me. You better believe I care for that man, and will call you out on that Satanic lie that he is better off being deceived. The destruction has already been done, and you’re helping to prevent it from ever being dealt with in honesty by letting her hide her sin and never come clean.

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  29. Sharkly says:

    Oh, King David was under a sacrificial system, not Christianity, and God killed David’s son for his sin. He was able to address His sin after the fact. And He did confess it.

    1 Corinthians 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

    You can be unregenerate before you are “saved” but not afterward. Those who accept Christ and return to willful abject wickedness are worse off than those who never knew Christ, since they can’t kill Christ a second time to redeem themselves from their return into bondage. While she may not have committed adultery, she was being unrighteous, and you do her spiritual head and her a disservice by keeping this unrighteousness hidden.

    James 5:16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

    Why would you help her to hide her sin, and not confess it to her husband, and be healed, when God almighty your eternal Judge tells you that she should confess that fault? Will your bullshit excuse be excepted by the thrice holy God on your judgement day? Don’t you fear to hide your sin, and teach others to do likewise? If shit blows up when the truth is told, that’s not because of your sin. But if this shit festers into further sin, which it will, that will be partly on you for helping to hide this from her husband, and not telling her to confess it to him, or else you do. But I wouldn’t trust a deceiver to be completely honest with him, I’d want to do my duty and know it got done, since as surely as I live, we will all face judgement for our life.

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  30. Stephanie says:

    “And He did confess it”

    And so did she, to me, very willingly and admitted she needed to hear the Truth because she’s been in fantasy land.

    Sometimes a good rebuke, in a polite way, does a lot more than if I had gone sneakily around and told her husband and meddled in that way.

    “and you do her spiritual head and her a disservice by keeping this unrighteousness hidden. ”

    Lord have mercy, Sharkly! I exposed it for what it was, spoke Scripture to her and really hit home! I did not at all allow her to keep this hidden.

    That very verse you just quoted from James says to confess your sins to each other (which she did!!!) and then to pray for each other (which I am, and I am recruiting more people who do not know them at all and never will). I need a team of Prayer Warriors that I trust, and I asked y’all because I trust y’all here (and it’s anonymous).

    I’m not at all helping her hide her sin here. I exposed it by gently confronting her and giving her the opportunity to reveal her sin and confess to an older person. I’m not on equal standing with her, she sees me more like a mentor figure.

    I’m fulfilling Titus 2 (even though I guess I’m not old enough). I’m doing everything Titus 2 woman would do in this situation.

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  31. Cheque d'Out says:

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  32. horsemanbombadil says:

    THE most Canadian thing I have ever seen.

    Grown men with a can of Canadian held over their hearts use the tail of their flannel shirts to wipe a single tear that tastes like maple syrup.

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  33. horsemanbombadil says:

    A typical Canuck earning her Timmies double double.

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  34. Is that the “Hockey Tonight” theme?

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  35. Sharkly says:

    Stephanie,
    Don’t assume I’m opposed to you, or not glad for what you have already done. I just assure you this will never be made completely right while she is still covering it up.

    The reason why people feel that they can be this way, is because we live in an “unaccountable” society that will help people cover their sin, especially women. If he knows what happened then they can work together to get beyond this. Or he can spare himself from being run through the grinder later by a selfish cheater, if that is what he decides, but that isn’t your decision. By helping to hide the sin, you might become a partaker in it. If he wants to keep it hidden once he knows, then that is his grace to his wife, but it is not any grace for you to help keep the man deceived. Furthermore if his wife’s behavior is exposed that can serve as a warning to other women, and allow a larger community to help her stay repentant and accountable. So it really should be what her husband thinks is best.

    For me personally, keeping my wife’s sin covered for many years, was a grace she just further abused. The unfaithful behavior only got worse, and most pastoral counselling was usually a net negative. I wish I had not been so blue-pilled back then, it only let things get further out of hand.

    You are right that this will be an ongoing problem for her. However her lack of attraction to him is not his fault. It is her selfish problem, being unwilling to be content with who she already chose, and to control her own online infidelity. He deserves to be allowed an opportunity to confront this hidden sin in their marriage.

    If she was molesting her kids and stealing their innocence and childhood, you would surely let her husband know, to help stop her right?
    But if she is just violating what she vowed to her husband, who images Jesus Christ in her life, well fook him. Am I right? Men don’t deserve any Christian brother’s and sisters watching out for them. /S

    I’m sorry to hear you fall short of doing what still needs to be done.

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  36. RichardP says:

    @Stephanie said: I’m in the middle of counseling a woman in her mid 20’s not to continue an emotional affair with a past love interest

    Sharkly has compared Stephanie’ friend with King David of the Old Testament. An “emotional affair” versus a physical affair with Bathsheba. That kind of comparison is not useful in a conversation such as this. They are two very different state of affairs.

    @Stephanie said: she wants to break it off and doesn’t understand why she’s even pulled to this other man

    She doesn’t understand why she’s even pulled – in the presence of someone who is a former love interest?? Really? Kentucky Headhunter’s comment upthread seems appropriate here.

    The thrill of discovery is potent. Some folks spend their lives chasing the thrill of discovery. And that thrill of discovery happens only in the presence of something new. One can have that constant “new” only by forfeiting the stability that sameness brings – a stability and sameness that allows one to build a life of value – a stable home, stable children, stable community. The kind that Stephanie and Patrick have built with blood, sweat, and tears by holding on steadfastly to each other through bad times and good.

    Chasing the thrill of discovery and building what Stephanie and Patrick have built are mutually exclusive approaches to life. We can’t have everything. To get some things, we have to give up other things. Which leads us to the crux of the matter: what does Stephanie’s friend truely want? If she wants fried ice, then she should be helped to understand that chasing fried ice will probably keep her from ever getting what Stephanie and Patrick have.

    And in a discussion such as that, Stephanie’s friend may have an aha moment of discovery – that she doesn’t really want what Stephanie and Patrick have. At which point, we have a prodigal son story. The prodigal son did not want what he had until he no longer had it.

    Or – to use my terminology from upthread, he did not want what he had until the learning that comes from experience scribbled on his slate of understanding. And so, Sharkley, once learning had informed the prodigal son’s understanding, what did the prodigal son’s father do when prodical returned home?

    (In this vein of thought: Some folks can learn from books [the Bible?] while other folks must learn from painful experience why we should or should not do certain things.)
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    Sharkley – if the friend’s husband must be notified, it should be Patrick doing the notification, not Stephanie. You won’t find a pastor worth their salary anywhere that will disagree with that. Stephanie is doing what she should be doing – the old[er] women teaching the young[er] to love their husbands. [Why would that admonition be in the New Testament if loving one’s husband, or the understanding that one is supposed to love one’s husband, came naturally?] So your criticism of her is misplaced.

    Stephanie – this is a former love interest (yet she’s been with husband since teenagers; was this a love interest while she was with her then boyfriend / now husband? Rhetorical) Have your friend list the reasons why he was a love interest, and list the reasons why her husband was a love interest, and think through why she went into the future with current husband rather than former love interest.

    The thrill of discovery is strong. Particularly when we re-discover a toy that was dear to us long ago. But the strong pull of the thrill of discovery can blind us to the reasons why we let go and moved on with someone else. Yet, those reasons are probably still relevant and will probably reveal themselves bigly after we have trashed what we currently have for a chance to resurrect something we thought we used to have.
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    And finally – for Sharkley, Stephanie’s friend, and for anyone else who finds this useful: there are variations in the translations here. So I combined them all into this line –

    Tho I stumble and fall,
    I will not be cast down –
    For the Lord holds me up in his hand.

    https://biblehub.com/psalms/37-24.htm

    Consider the implications there for the one who is hurt because I stumbled and fell. As they see me upheld in the Lord’s hand, they have to stand there alone in their hurt. They become the prodigal son’s brother, who stayed faithful to his father.

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  37. Farm Boy says:

    It is good that people try to do good things. Compared to the other side, where virtue signaling is the substitute for this

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  38. Farm Boy says:

    Utah activist inside U.S. Capitol says woman killed was first to try and enter House chamber

    John Sullivan claims he entered Capitol during rally only to document event, but his own video shows him encouraging others as they rioted

    https://www.deseret.com/utah/2021/1/7/22219733/utah-activist-inside-u-s-capitol-says-woman-killed-was-first-to-try-and-enter-house-chamber-sullivan

    Guess what type of activist he was

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  39. Ame says:

    should she not confess to her husband herself?

    i agree that if an outside person should tell, it should be Patrick and not Stephanie.

    but she should confess her own sin.

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  40. Sharkly says:

    RichardP,
    If I may correct you. I did not bring up King David to compare, Stephanie did:
    “But Sharkly, I respect you as a brother in Christ, but how can you say this statement and not think of Kind David and what he did with Bathsheba (and killing her husband to boot)?”

    I actually then contrasted King David saying that he was under a different system.(Jewish sacrificial) I didn’t think King David’s situation was really that relevant except perhaps for illustrating that one should confess their sins.

    I do however believe that you are right, that it would be far better for Stephanie’s husband to relay the information to the husband, than for Stephanie to relay it herself.

    If this wife is disloyal to the point where she herself is/was fearful of falling into adultery, that really is a situation her husband should be be alerted to. A situation like that could rapidly become a situation where he and any children they might have could be potentially exposed to an incurable STD like HIV, Herpes, Hep-C, or some of the other ones. He deserves to be alerted to that possibility.
    If some wife wound up catching AIDS from her husband and the men of the church had been alerted that the husband was slipping, yet had said nothing to the wife. You can bet the sisterhood would miraculously figure out that those men had been irresponsible not to tell his wife that he had been slipping towards immorality.

    Men,
    Let this be a lesson to you. If the sisterhood knows of a woman who is dabbling in infidelity, it will be the sisterhood über alles. They won’t care one iota about the man involved. They just won’t want her to screw up her own life.
    Our own Stephanie isn’t godly enough to think of upsetting the sisterhood by telling this man, nor would Ame, who even has her own Christian blog, tell Stephanie to see to it that this man is not kept in the dark. No, the sisterhood is clearly sacred to them, far more so than anything else. And that is why women are forbidden to speak in church. The rocks will cry out before these women would inform a husband of his wife’s disloyalty! Unless they were in a fight with the wife. Those two are probably about as good as Christian women get, and they can’t do a brother a “solid” like many of his fellow men would. I wouldn’t hide the truth from some friend of mine getting cucked. I got a whole web page up exposing a church wife who solicited me, lest you think I might not say anything either:
    https://whitewatercommunitychurch.wordpress.com/2020/05/23/heavy-horny-homewrecking-hussy/
    Christian women will often even help the wife lie to the husband claiming they “won’t destroy something in her husband”. Men, you mean zero to them, compared to the goddess sisterhood. They’ll discuss your wife’s disloyalty and never breathe a word to you. Even the best Christian women are no better than that. Don’t ever forget what you read here today. Like the Holocaust, “We must never forget”. Women will cover for each other’s infidelity, fornication, abortion, you name it. And they’ll f00king lie together about you in court to steal your sons. The early church was absolutely right about them.
    Tertullian wrote about women: And do you not know that you are Eve? The sentence of God on this sex of yours lives in this age: the guilt must of necessity live too. You are the devil’s gateway; you are the unsealer of that (forbidden) tree: you are the first deserter of the divine law: you are she who persuaded him whom the devil was not valiant enough to attack. You destroyed so easily God’s image, man. Because of the death you merited, even the Son of God had to die.

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  41. Sharkly says:

    Correction: I didn’t see Ame’s latest comment when I wrote mine. Perhaps she is coming around.

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  42. Farm Boy says:

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  43. Farm Boy says:

    Meanwhile, Ann Althouse looks at Trump’s speech and wonders where’s the actual incitement? “I read the entire speech — which was over an hour — looking for the sentences that are most subject to the interpretation that he was inciting the crowd to break into the Capitol building or commit any sort of act of violence. I’m doing this because I realized I wasn’t seeing quotes from Trump, just assertions that the speech was an incitement and cause-and-effect inferences based on the sequence of events: He spoke and then they acted.”

    Did Trump Commit a Crime When He Riled Up His Supporters Before They Rioted? “Under federal law, incitement to riot does not include ‘advocacy of ideas’ or ‘expression of belief’ unless it endorses violence, which Trump did not do.”

    https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/424892/

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  44. theshadowedknight says:

    My last post here, and I’ll be brief. This is going to get nasty, ugly, and bad, fast. Start scrubbing and deleting any social media you have of anything vaguely right wing, and start getting ready to keep a low profile. Use the Signal app for encrypted communications and don’t talk on open channels. Imagine the War on Terror, but where conservatives are the terrorists. Its going to be rough.

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  45. Cill says:

    The lefties know the code way better than righties. The code is not hard. The election was stolen by coding and Rudy and Donald are like dying ducks in a thunder storm in trying to explain how and why. Learn to write code. Catch up at least. Compete. That is the foreseeable future.

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  46. Farm Boy says:

    TheShadowKnight,

    Perhaps you could explain more how to do these security minded things

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  47. Farm Boy says:

    It’s our own fault. We allowed Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram to control the narrative while Google controlled the answers to any questions.

    They now believe they can define what happened on January 6, 2021 with impunity and we will accept their lies as truth.

    We the people, however, are all too aware of what they are trying to accomplish, having been witness to the Hunter Biden story dissolving into the ether from inaccessibility and the silencing of any dissent as they stole a presidency

    https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2021/01/the_capitol_false_flag_rebellion_or_civil_war_ii.html

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  48. Farm Boy says:

    Video shows police officers stand by and do nothing as rioters charge into US Capitol

    https://nypost.com/2021/01/08/video-shows-police-officers-stand-by-as-rioters-charge-into-us-capitol/

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  49. Farm Boy says:

    Rasmussen: Trump’s Approval Rating Rises After DC Protests

    https://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/1004872

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  52. Ame says:

    KrisAnne Hall, JD
    Favorites · 1tdleSpSonsor9hehd ·
    #LibertyAlert:
    FBI is now contacting Trump supporters to try to get them say whether they were in the Capital or not and to ID other people who were there.
    If you know anyone who went, PLEASE tell them to NOT speak to the FBI without an attorney.
    It is NOT about having something to hide. It’s about ensuring your Rights are protected. Do you trust them after all we have seen? You should not.
    #libertyfirst

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  53. Cheque d'Out says:

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  54. Cheque d'Out says:

    Paul Mason is properly hard left nutter. Ex-BBC

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  55. Cheque d'Out says:

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  56. horsemanbombadil says:

    Kh

    Technically Hockey Night In Canada. Our real national anthem.

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  57. horsemanbombadil says:

    Shadow

    Went Bombadil a while ago.

    Safe travels Brother.

    Everyone else, live like you did in 1980.

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  58. Farm Boy says:

    No way, eh

    This guy got so drunk he legally changed his name to Céline Dion and has no recollection of it.

    https://media.notthebee.com/articles/ba8f6b66-980a-496c-a4bc-e39aa6fe2d3a.jpg

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  59. Sumo says:

    Everyone else, live like you did in 1980.

    Tempting. I kinda miss playing with Lego and napping for half the morning.

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  60. Farm Boy says:

    Remember when BLM rioters were burning down cities and Colin Kaepernick literally called for more violence? And then, instead of banning him, @Jack gave him $3M?

    https://notthebee.com/article/remember-when-blm-rioters-were-burning-down-cities-and-colin-kaepernick-literally-called-for-more-violence-and-then-instead-of-banning-him-jack-gave-him-3m

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  61. Gunner Q says:

    This isn’t funny. I went to buy a new lightbulb today and was informed by the hardware store’s Door Nazi that California has had a mandatory all-the-time mask mandate since Jan. 1 and air holes are strictly forbidden. I’m not joking. “COVID spreads by aerosols so you can’t have any gaps in coverage! But you can use an old shirt if you want.” No, viruses spread by viruses. The lies just don’t stop and I’m the only person in my meatspace who understands this.

    Door Nazi wasn’t happy when I produced a doctor’s note. I got in despite him but it was a temporary victory and my blood is boiling.

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  62. Mr. Postman is there a Ruger in your bag for Me?

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  63. Stephanie says:

    “Men,
    Let this be a lesson to you. If the sisterhood knows of a woman who is dabbling in infidelity, it will be the sisterhood über alles. They won’t care one iota about the man involved. They just won’t want her to screw up her own life.”

    I do care intensely about him. I have three sons so it made me scared for them and angry in a way.

    But it’s just not my place to run around her back and tell her husband like that.

    I think he’d respond better to her coming to him in humility/humiliation. And then he can decide what to do.

    This man from her past, she was only with very briefly before she met her husband, and then he left her without a word and moved away… breaking her heart dramatically. It sounds like an unrequited love or something strange, and now he suddenly found her on social media and decided to, “try again,” the asshole.

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  64. Stephanie says:

    I do think there is a time for exposure, or going around someone’s back to reveal what they benefit from others not knowing. But to me, that’s in the case where one can tell the person/people are extremely arrogant and prideful, and really get-off on others thinking they have it altogether at least at that moment.

    Those kinds of people don’t want their past to be known, even though I think they may realize they can help more people and allow God to USE their actual history to minister to other couples etc. But they just refuse to be honest and instead play it off as though other things caused them to benefit.

    In this example I’m talking about, there was a couple who were having horrible marriage troubles.

    He came for help it was so bad. He revealed their entire marriage (7 years up to that point) was just extremely painful and not working out at all. His wife threatened divorce all the time, and they were not happy.

    THEN GOD SENT a Titus 2 woman, and she mentored this (older-ish) wife. And because GOD stepped in, their marriage was changed.

    The wife became a new person, she made different choices… choices that came from HUMILIATION in seeing what she was doing to her marriage and to her husband.

    They have a beautiful marriage now, but they are ashamed of this testimony, because it’s easier to lie.

    It’s easier to pretend she was super attracted to him from the get-go, that he was able to do it all on his own (“I just don’t know how I got so lucky? I want to throw up now)

    It’s easier to tell people it was just luck.

    The hard thing is to be honest.

    The hard thing is to give GOD the GLORY.

    And the hard thing is to watch all of that and be silent knowing many couples could benefit from the Truth.

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  65. 1980? I think I was in 5th grade. First day of school meet my new teacher. Prettiest young woman I think I’d ever seen at that point in my life. Instant crush on her. Crush nuked by the end of the week. What a fucking moron. Finally stopped circling “not-a-words” in my homework by Thanksgiving after I bring her the dictionary a dozen times. Yes, it is a word sugar-tits. Not much reading or writing in Schools of Education back then I guess. My dad did take me to the bookstore twice-a-month, any 3 books I wanted, I’ll give him that much credit. She lasted one more year and was gone. Too many complaints from the white collar parents (or maybe just the mothers?).

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  66. Stephanie says:

    But when you’re honest you can help more people.

    I’ve been in this woman’s shoes.

    Every single ex boyfriend I had before marriage has tried to contact me on social media (earlier on) almost trying to, “test the waters,” so I understand the reality of what is happening to her.

    I’m thankful it wasn’t a serious temptation for me, I left all of those guys and my husband was the first one I really really loved (and lost virginity to, etc.).

    But I do know what’s happening to her and my mom even warned me when I was growing up, that this would happen. That Satan does this sometimes to women, because it had happened to her, too.

    Because my mom was honest, I was more able to handle what Satan threw my way. But I’m lucky my parents were always uber honest. Everything under the sun was talked about.

    Because my mom was honest, when it DID happen to me in my marriage, I actually went to her and told her!

    Honesty in GOD is a powerful tool for helping people fight Satan’s ploys to destroy them.

    Because my mom was honest and let me know Satan would try to pull that eventually, I’m able to see the value in honesty in being able to reach out and help other women.

    I wonder what would have happened if I hadn’t reached out to this woman. She can’t even talk to her own mom about it! She felt all alone and lost and ashamed.

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  67. ” then he left her without a word and moved away… breaking her heart dramatically. …
    and now he suddenly found her on social media and decided to, “try again,” the asshole.”

    And she didn’t tell him to fuck off. The bitch.

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  68. Stephanie says:

    I think he’s a horrible person to try to ruin their marriage.

    If she can, “see,” that, it will dramatically help.

    If she can also see her own sin, that will help. She does, but I’m praying it really sinks in deep. She is already humiliated though that she even feels those feelings of being pulled in by him.

    It’s not a sin to feel tempted, it’s a sin to give in to temptation.

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  69. Sharkly says:

    I’m not afraid to die. I’m ready to be a martyr. They already took from me what I care about.
    I’m gonna keep running my mouth loud and proud!

    Women aren’t equal to men. Blacks lives don’t matter any more than mine. Democrats are retarded satanic Marxist/Feminist tools. Our media needs to be destroyed for treason. Free speech is a right many people have died to secure for me. If you get offended, go find your safe space. Jesus Christ is the only way to God. Women should stay at home and raise their babies. Equality of outcome is a satanic doctrine encouraging sloth. Fat people let their unchecked appetited rule over their own best interest. Sex confusion is a mental disorder that is very damaging. Adult women are statistically not as smart as adult men, and their heads and brains are generally smaller, I’m not making that up. Homosexuality is an abomination to God and it is disgusting to me too. Politicians are mostly liars and thieves.
    If you Marxists need help when you get to the stage where you always kill all the lawyers, I’ll volunteer to help you f*ckers with that part.
    If I had my choice all fornicators and adulterers would be executed for their corrupting sexual immorality. Children belong to their fathers. Masculinity is not toxic, but glorious. Gun ownership is great! Leftists are statistically more plagued by other mental illnesses too. Virginity is way cool! “Body art” doesn’t improve anybody’s looks. Smaller government is better government. Patented drugs are not as safe as you were told. Natural supplements are usually better, but the medical cabal spreads disinformation about them. Taking an untested vaccine where the long term outcome is unknown, to avoid a sickness that is rarely fatal, is just flat stupid. Kamala Harris sucked her way to the top. Joe Biden is a stupid crook and he has been for over four decades, but the left wing media has always been wiping his a$$ to help the treasonous democrat/Marxist party. I could go on! Eat some more soy lefties!

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  70. Stephanie says:

    ***Let me repost with more added at the bottom***

    I do think there is a time for exposure, or going around someone’s back to reveal what they benefit from others not knowing. But to me, that’s in the case where one can tell the person/people are extremely arrogant and prideful, and really get-off on others thinking they have it altogether at least at that moment.

    Those kinds of people don’t want their past to be known, even though I think they may realize they can help more people and allow God to USE their actual history to minister to other couples etc. But they just refuse to be honest and instead play it off as though other things caused them to benefit.

    In this example I’m talking about, there was a couple who were having horrible marriage troubles.

    He came for help it was so bad. He revealed their entire marriage (7 years up to that point) was just extremely painful and not working out at all. His wife threatened divorce all the time, and they were not happy.

    THEN GOD SENT a Titus 2 woman, and she mentored this (older-ish) wife. And because GOD stepped in, their marriage was changed.

    The wife became a new person, she made different choices… choices that came from HUMILIATION in seeing what she was doing to her marriage and to her husband.

    They have a beautiful marriage now, but they are ashamed of this testimony, because it’s easier to lie.

    It’s easier to pretend she was super attracted to him from the get-go, that he was able to do it all on his own (“I just don’t know how I got so lucky? I want to throw up now)

    It’s easier to tell people it was just luck.

    The hard thing is to be honest.

    The hard thing is to give GOD the GLORY.

    ****

    Let me add what I can, “see,” coming from this missed blessing.

    I see a couple that, because they are ashamed of their testimony, miss the blessing of being able to, in their humility, be able to reach more couples lost in that same place they were in (that they want no one knowing about).

    I see them taking GOD’S GLORY away from Him, and claiming it for themselves.

    I see many couples, possibly thousands potentially, not getting the blessing that would have been if they had been honest that Titus 2 ministry really works, and is what made their marriage what it was.

    Instead of the credit going to Titus 2 ministry, which is GOD designed, the credit goes to being an, “alpha,” male and able to create a sexual attraction that is what has kept their marriage beautiful.

    Eventually this (false) history and message will do more harm than good.

    More men (and maybe women) who were in this couple’s place WILL NOT receive the correct instruction.

    They will fall into HOPELESSNESS.

    Men will feel they, “just weren’t attactive/sexy enough.” Hopelessness.

    Women may feel there’s something wrong with them for not being like this wife, when really, they may need an older Titus 2 woman to tell them Biblical Truth. Hopelessness.

    GOD’S MESSAGE gives HOPE to the hopeless.

    Man’s message when they take from GOD what rightly belongs to Him and Him alone… that gives Hopelessness.

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  71. Stephanie says:

    I would not want that kind of curse on my head for stealing from GOD the GLORY He is due.

    I do think a temptation with the red pill stuff is to rely more on man’s wisdom, instead of God’s. Man’s wisdom is popular, it sells and makes for lots of hits.

    Unfortunately God’s wisdom, although timeless, is not as popular, especially when people are so willing to steal His glory from him are milking it as an, “alpha sexiness,” that makes wives nice/loving/flirty/kind-hearted.

    God does give us lots of wisdom and He tells us to go out and search for understanding… sometimes that is found in red pill truths. But it can cross a line. And I think some personality types are more prone to cross that line than others.

    But we are going to need strong men and strong women to lead younger ones in the correct way. Especially now, in this current atmosphere.

    Women who step up and admit their mistakes or what really helped them, so that other women can learn from it and be helped in a Titus 2 way.

    But truly strong men (and women) have to be humbled people… they have to be open to pouring out their lives as vessels for GOD to use in order to minister to others. I know that’s hard… humility doesn’t come easy, especially for some personality types it seems.

    I can’t blog right now, due to the atmosphere, but I’ve seen God place me strategically in places where I can say something or do something more in real life anyway.

    In real life, people know you, they probably know your history or it may be easier to tell them everything one on one. I think with the red pill, one should be wary of online personalities that seem too good to be true.

    It does take courage to reach out more in real life, when you may not know how another person will react, but at this time when online activities will probably become persecuted, we have to look to real life interactions which I’m finding out, God uses more anyway it seems.

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  72. Farm Boy says:

    The upshot should be clear: The deadly storming of the Capitol building is the logical outcome of norms set by the left in 2020. By winking at and apologizing for Antifa, liberal elites telegraphed that political grievances ought to be resolved through violence.

    Those showing righteous indignation now only months or weeks ago argued that the riots were “mostly peaceful” and that vandalism and looting don’t count as violence.

    That’s the problem with political irresponsibility: Once the law grants quasi-authorization to hitherto-proscribed conduct, there’s no telling how events might spiral.

    https://nypost.com/2021/01/08/rage-at-capitol-assault-makes-excuses-for-summer-riots-all-the-more-disgraceful/

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  73. I DGAF about her “feelings”. She is not the victim here; she’s the perpetrator.

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  75. Larry G says:

    Presented with zero apology…off topic of course…

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  76. Larry G says:

    aaand for your further entertainment…,

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  77. Larry G says:

    Hooray Comrads!

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  78. Stephanie says:

    I agree KH. I felt some very mixed feelings because I immediately thought of my sons and if their wives did this to them. Anger, fear for them. And so I prayed for their future wives in that moment.

    I worried about this couple when they were engaged. It just didn’t seem like an equal match.

    It seemed like she had too much SMV power to wield.

    My husband is, “annoyingly handsome,” in my opinion. And even *mentally* I’m attracted to him in a way where I respect his mental abilities to see Truth and his character. I look up to him. It’s always been that way.

    I have still required Titus 2 mentoring, correction, and reeling in, I am not perfect, but it is easier when you marry a man you look up to and admire already.

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  79. Larry G says:

    I thought this was appropriate

    Daniel 2: 21

    He changes the times and seasons;
    He removes kings and establishes them.
    He gives wisdom to the wise
    and knowledge to the discerning.

    One king has been removed, another established

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  80. Larry G says:

    Belarus 2019 parade

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  81. horsemanbombadil says:

    Sumo and KH.

    “Everyone else, live like you did in 1980.

    Tempting. I kinda miss playing with Lego and napping for half the morning.”

    Bloody whippersnappers.

    I was a high school senior dating one of Mrs best friends (who was a bridesmaid at our wedding.)

    We were allowed to bring slide rules to our physics finals. I typed my history essays on a manual, spool fed typewriter. If my sister was on the one phone landline I walked the block to Mac’s Milk to use the payphone outside, with a dime.

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  82. Stephanie says:

    Sorry to add more (seemingly nuttiness), but Sharkly, how can you think I’m not doing something when right under your own nose, there are people doing something basically evil.

    I already watched that couple deny a younger man who came to them, asking them for help with his wife’s behavior. And they did not provide him any guidance whatsoever, but instead told him their live-in MIL gives them ample opportunities to go have sex in the mountains and that fixes everything.

    It was a missed blessing.

    They will miss many more.

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  83. RichardP says:

    @Sharkley said: RichardP, If I may correct you.

    Noted. Thanks..

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  84. RichardP says:

    And Sharkly, I’ve been misspelling your name. My appologies.

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  85. Stephanie says:

    I feel like this mirors when the Pharisees wanted to stone that woman and drug her out in front of Jesus.

    Who do you think is going to be more in trouble with God, Sharkly?

    A young woman in her 20’s who has confessed her sin to someone older she trusts? Who is humiliated and trying to figure out how to make it right?

    Or an arrogant man who is hiding his past, not allowing his wife to use her Titus 2 past because they hide it… not helping marriages, but possibly condemning them to failure when GOD sends a man their way for help?

    Who do you think will incur more judgement this time?

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  86. “Slender, ‘not-so’, redheads, blondes…”

    “An army without women, a soldier without porridge.”

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  87. Uphill, both ways. (snow is a given)

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  88. h0neyc0mb says:

    Notice how the cuck sez the above after he removes all the de-scent off of his platform.

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  89. Sharkly says:

    Stephanie,
    Wow is that a lot of error. I don’t really have much time to correct it all right now.

    John 7:53-8:11 “Jesus and the woman taken in adultery” (often called Pericope Adulterae for short) is an apocryphal addition to your Bible. The first surviving Greek manuscript to contain the pericope is the Latin-Greek diglot Codex Bezae, produced in the 400s or 500s. Codex Bezae is also the earliest surviving Latin manuscript to contain it. (The Codex Bezae was a bilingual manuscript written in both Latin and Greek.) It is known that John was not the author of that story. Some later manuscripts have the story stuffed into the gospel of Luke, not in John. The Pericope Adulterae was neither written by any apostle or while any apostle was still living, nor was it inspired, nor does it belong with the rest of the inspired text. Furthermore it destroys much of the rest of the Bible. It renders all judgement impossible. It makes Jesus into one who sets aside His father’s laws instead of fulfilling them like Jesus actually claimed He came to do. Basically it is an apocryphal tall-tale that was added by the church of Rome. You can read more about it here:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_and_the_woman_taken_in_adultery

    So I need not respond to your citing an apocryphal addition to the Bible. We should not add to or take away from the inspired word of God, and the Pericope Adulterae was an apocryphal addition by the great whore of Rome.

    Who do you think is going to be more in trouble with God, Sharkly?
    That too is a silly question. Just do what is right, and make sure the husband finds out. If she refuses to confess, have your husband tell him.

    I shouldn’t have to try to sell you on doing right, but here goes. If this man finds out three years from now, when his wife confesses that she has been working with you on this for the last three years, the man will know that you and your husband knew about this infidelity all along and refused to ever tell him. He will know that you are willing to hide cheating against him, and that you are no friends of his, you’re just friends with deceit. You really are choosing to honor the perpetrator over the victim. I have been in similar circumstances and I no longer consider the “friends” who kept stuff from me to be any friends of mine or even to be decent people. They’re swamp creatures helping to keep truth hidden in the muck. I hate liars! And deceivers are almost as worthless. You really are showing me who women are. You will deceive her husband to protect the guilty party against him. There is no way that will ever end with him being cool about you feeling like he was unworthy to know the truth. By not telling him you are greatly disrespecting him. Might as well be high-fiving and laughing behind his back about it, as far as he is concerned. You are choosing the sinful sister and her sin above your brother and his rightful headship, that he can’t exercise because he doesn’t know, in this situation. You’re telling her to rule over him by keeping him ignorant of what he should really know about. You’re teaching her that it is OK to lie to and deceive her husband, and to not confess her sins to the one she has sinned against. I don’t recall covering up “fooling around behind his back” in Titus 2.

    What you’ve done is right, but you’re still not completely done, until her husband is informed.

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  90. RichardP says:

    @Stephanie:

    – reality exists, regardless of our ability to perceive it.

    – restated: you are demonstrating that you have much wisdom in you, regardless of the ability of others to perceive it. Part of the wisdom is your willingness to allow God to work through you. Don’t let others put out the flames of that willingness. Full Stop. This compliment stands on its own.

    Other Thoughts:

    ** Sharkly represents the condition of many men who post in the manosphere – here, Bloom’s place, Dalrock’s place, The Rational Male, etc. Justifiably filled with pain and rage. When women (seem to) side with the women who seemingly are behaving as the women who caused this pain and rage, it triggers something in men that I don’t think any woman can understand. I’m pretty sure that is a major reason why some blogs do not allow women to participate. Women don’t really understand what they are triggering in the men – and the blog owners want to protect their men commentors from that triggering. (I get that the reverse is true also, in that men don’t / can’t understand the feelings a woman has when betrayed by her man.)

    ** I’m going to paraphrase here rather than find the direct quotes. You mention a couple who attribute their “recovery” to the guy manning up (in whatever manner you described), rather than attributing their “recovery” to the Holy Spirit working through a Titus 2 woman. But then, you say you don’t know how you got so lucky with Patrick. And further down, you express admiration for the attributes of his that you are attracted to (however you defined them). In the midst of this, you express that you have had your own particular need for a Titus 2 woman (hopefully I’m not misquoting you on this). The careful reader will see those three comments and think that you are condtradicting yourself.

    On the one hand, you seem to say that the kinds of things you are attracted to in Patrick don’t need to be present in the guy in the “recovered” relationship. Paying attention to the Titus 2 woman and following what the Bible actually says should be enough for her to recover her natural attraction to him. And they should give God credit for restoring that attraction. Because it would have occurred even if the guy had not recovered his “studliness” (however it was that you described it).

    If this is true for them, then one could be forgiven for thinking it should also be true for you. The attraction you have for Patrick should be there (because Titus 2 woman and God), even if he did not possess the attributes that you stated you are attracted to. I’m thinking that the attraction would not be there (or at least not to the extent that it is there now) if Patrick did not possess the attributes you described – in spite of Titus 2 woman and God. If this is true for you, then why can it not also be true for the “recovered” couple. That is, maybe the true reason for the return of her attraction to him is the return of his “studliness” (however you described it). Do not rule out that the return of his “studliness” could easily be attributed to God also. That could be the vehicle through which God worked in their lives. You seem to be overlooking that.

    The guys can pretty quickly see this inconsistency in what you said. I’m not so sure that you do see it.

    Stephanie, you and I have a history of talking past each other. This is a pretty complex matter I’ve tried to describe, in public, and with few words. If I’ve confused you, I accept that the fault lies with me. Call me out for an explanation of something if you want, or don’t. I understand that you have other more important things to attend to (said seriously, with no snark)

    ** Perfection is not possible in this world. God says he does all that he pleases (Isaiah 46:10). Part of that “doing all that he pleases” was identifying the final sacrifice before the world was made, which means before Eve was made (1 Peter 1:18-21). Which means he intentionally created humans with the ability to behave in a way that would require a final sacrifice (which had already been identified). Which means he intentionally created Eve to “desire” Adam (in both meanings of the word), the wife to “desire” her husband. Which means that mom’s can help their sons learn to be wise as serpents. But there is no gurantee that she can forever protect him from the wife that follows her hypergamy. Hope springs eternal, but it really doesn’t make sense to think that any son will get a wife much different from the wife Adam’s father procurred for him. And all that implies about everyone needing to create a useful life outside the garden. No one gets to live inside the garden.

    ** Men and women do not think alike, particularly when it comes to moral reasoning. I know how men think. Which makes it useful to me when the women are allowed to share, here and at Bloom’s place, examples of how they think, as is happening now with Stephanie. I am grateful to Bloom and Liz and Stephanie and Ame for taking the time to describe issues that are important to them, and why they are important. And thank you to the leaders of this blog for allowing that to happen.

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  91. Sharkly says:

    And Sharkly, I’ve been misspelling your name. My apologies.

    No Problem. It happens a lot, and that isn’t my given name. But my real name gets misspelled frequently too since it violates normal English spelling convention. I only rarely mention the misspelling to people, when I’m wanting to pretend to be offended just to watch them squirm, and then tease them about their embarrassment.

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  92. Stephanie says:

    “What you’ve done is right, but you’re still not completely done, until her husband is informed.”

    Sorry, Sharkly, I will not do something against my conscience. Patrick will if he feels led to.

    But the hypocrisy is strong in here (lol why does that sound like something from a movie).

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  93. RichardP says:

    @Sharkly said: … you’re still not completely done, until her husband is informed.

    God told Adam and Eve not to eat the fruit of the forbidden tree. He told them that they would die if they ate it.

    Watch Adam seek out the forbidden tree and walk right up to it. Watch Adam fondle the forbidden fruit. Watch him sniff it. Watch him lick it. Watch him chew on one of the leaves, and spit it out because it was bitter. Being a guy, probably watch Adam climb up the branches of the forbidden tree to the very top and bellow like Tarzan.

    Is any of that doing what God told Adam not to do? Did he violate God’s command by doing any of that? Does he need to ask for God’s forgiveness for doing any of that?

    Again, what did God tell Adam – don’t eat of the fruit of the forbidden tree Anything else is fair game. He did not say “don’t play with the tree”.

    However, would it have been a good idea for Adam to play with the tree. No – because that would make any temptation to eat the forbidden fruit that much easier to accompliesh. So – it is wise to stay away from the tree, for practicle reasons, but it is not forbidden so that one needs to repent for doing so.
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    I have been in Stephanie’s situation, discussing things with church couples caught up in similar situations, a number of different times over the course of my adult life. From personal consultation with pastors, along with reading things written by pastors about this kind of situation – an “affair of the heart” does not rise to the level of a required confession, so long as that is where it stayed, and that it is ended when the person realizes that they are in trouble, emotionally. All of us, at one point or another, have walked right up to sin, stared it in the face, and then either have turned and walked away or have been dragged away by courageous friends, who stayed with us until the urge passed. A number of times.

    There was a theme a thread or two back (or this one?) about whether we should always tell everything we know. One of the commenters stated that, if husband and wife did that with each other, they would eventually flee from each other in terror (or something similar to that). That is a truth. And Stephanie’s friend’s “affair of the heart” is part of that grey area about not needing to tell each other everything. It is not an attempt to deceive. It is simply the acknowledgement that, if partners told each other about every time they were tempted to do something “wrong”, but did not follow through, the partners would become nervous wrecks, the trust in the relationship would be damaged, and the relationship would deteriorate.

    What probably should happen is, in a neutral situation, the tempted spouse (regardless of what kind of temptation) should clue their spouse in to the issue, the difficulty the tempted spouse is having, and ask for the other’s help in resisting the temptation. This is not so much a confession that I sinned so much as it is a confession of one spouse needing the help of the other in order to stand strong in the face of the temptation. After all, that is what spouses are supposed to do – help each other out. This clues the non-tempted spouse in to what is going on, and gives them a chance to have their partners back.

    If the tempted spouse truely wants to resist the temptation – and, assuming their spouse is not a jerk that can’t be trusted with such information, then the tempted spouse should be eager to engage in such a conversation with their spouse, in a neutral setting.

    If the tempted spouse wants to avoid such a conversation with their spouse, then something else is going on with regards to that particular temptation (drugs; affair of the heart) and the person’s attitude towards God’ claim on their life.

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  94. Farm Boy says:

    If you have watched CNN or MSNBC the past few days, you know that this assertion has been repeated as a certainty multiple times every hour, 24/7, ever since the mob stormed the Capitol, as if there were no doubt that (A) the President’s speech caused (B) the subsequent riot.

    This is the post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy as “journalism.”

    https://theothermccain.com/2021/01/09/no-trump-did-not-incite-violence/

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  95. Stephanie says:

    “When women (seem to) side with the women who seemingly are behaving as the women who caused this pain and rage, it triggers something in men that I don’t think any woman can understand.”

    Yes, Richard, I understand that completely. I’m not offended by Sharkly, just wanted to point out those things. Sorry if the all-caps sound nutty. I don’t usually write that way, but those statements felt very prophetic. Like a warning; I know they will not heed it.

    ***

    ” That is, maybe the true reason for the return of her attraction to him is the return of his “studliness” (however you described it).”

    No, because I know the whole story, I don’t think so. When a woman obeys Titus 2 instructions, the feelings follow the actions. And the focus was pretty much solely on her growth, the man admits the manosphere stuff never helped him in his marriage and actually hurt it more than helped. What helped was what an older Titus 2 woman told her, which is just to focus on doing loving things for him, etc.

    They completely leave out the Titus 2 involvement, and rely on him being known as having “always just been good with women.” This just isn’t true. When his wife was constantly threatening divorce (as per his words now deleted/hidden) for the first 7 years, that is a serious failure (with woman).

    Deception in this case, is leading to more hopelessness and misunderstanding about God’s power and redemption.

    I used to think that was just out of embarrassment that they hid these facts, but I’m not sure anymore. I think they gain something by keeping Christians in the dark about what really helped and have chosen instead to sell them a lie, even going so far as to make it sound hopeless for men. They aren’t actually promoting manosphere stuff (at this point), but rather making men think it’s entirely hopeless and that he was just always good with women. The message is if you aren’t good with women, you’re out of luck. No mention of what really helped his wife come back to him.

    I’m sorry this sounds so petty to reveal. I think it’s evil to deceive so many people this way. Much worse than a young wife in her 20’s being attacked by Satan and (by all recent accounts) trying to manage it and deal with it much better than this man and his wife.

    Attractiveness is important, the red pill does have truths that players found out before (modern) Christians.

    Jesus said, “The sons of this age (sinner player men) are more astute than the sons of light (Christian men) in dealing with their own people.”

    There are some things the sons of this age (non-Christian men, players etc.) understand better about women than the sons of light (Christian men raised in a bubble).

    “God resists the proud, but gives grace to the humble.”

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  96. Stephanie says:

    “” That is, maybe the true reason for the return of her attraction to him is the return of his “studliness” (however you described it).””

    I think when a woman follows Titus 2 instructions, mysterious things happen because GOD. Period.

    I think it’s possible God restored her respect for her husband because she obeyed and followed specific Titus 2 suggestions and encouragements. Feelings follow actions, so if that older wife told her specific things to work on, focus on, etc. I think the attraction to her husband naturally came back.

    All of that still doesn’t make them deceiving people about it “OK.”

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  97. Stephanie says:

    You know the sad thing …

    if they do ever come clean, and I mean that is a big if at this point when ones over 50, but IF they do, what are they going to do about the countless comments convincing people it was always well with them? That she was always nice good to him from day one?

    Will they lose their witness in the minds of those who believed them?

    The outrage over this young wife waiting until the right time to confess to her husband pales in comparison to what this much older couple is engaging in for years now.

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  99. Sharkly says:

    RichardP,
    According to your “Adam climbing the tree” analogy, Adam hadn’t sinned, and therefore did not need to confess it. What I am saying is that when a woman entertains an online affair with another man other than her husband, she is already in sin against her husband, even if she hasn’t yet been pumped full of the other guy’s semen. She is not reverencing her husband, being loyal, being honest, or doing as he wants her to be doing, Etc.

    Ezekiel 16:32 You unfaithful wife! You desire strangers instead of your husband.

    She clearly desires this other man more than her own husband, and that stems from the unfaithfulness in her heart, per the verse above. She needs to learn to choose to be content with and be grateful for her own husband that God has given her. I understand that the other guy might be more attractive, but her desire should be to honor her own husband, not to entertain solicitations from competing men.
    Just as Stephanie has mentioned about some woman being taught by a “Titus 2 woman”, women can learn to control and channel their emotions if they decide to act maturely, instead of just foolishly letting their emotions direct them into selfish behavior.

    Stephanie,
    Nobody is going to change my mind that the woman’s head/husband should be notified of this sin in his marriage, this weakness in his wife, and this douchebag guy who is trying to destroy his marriage. I’ve already stated that any effort to excuse the deceit, is just “Lies and Excuses™”. You are teaching this woman that it is OK to deceive her head, if she feels like she has a good excuse, and you are usurping and flouting God’s designed intent to lead her through her God-appointed head, just because Titus 2 also says you should be teaching her to do what is right. But you are not fully teaching her to do what is right. You are usurping her husband, teaching her to not confide in her rightful head, but in you, and to continue deceiving him. The other couple that you keep bringing up is a separate issue, and just confuses the present matter.
    I don’t care what you FEEL that God is leading you to do. I believe what you are doing is encouraging continued deceitfulness and it is also wrong to discourage her from confessing her sin to her own husband whom she has cheated out of her utmost loyalty. While you are better than most women, your morality is lacking.

    Maybe I’m wrong, but, am I picking up an insinuation that I’m being hypocritical, or presenting myself not as I really am?

    If you are referring to that I looked at pornography after being continually sexually defrauded by my wife, and being told to go masturbate, I may understand your confusion, but rest assured I have never had any desire to opt to have sex with my own hand and two dimensional images, instead of my wife. My desire is and always has been for my wife. Nor does that prevent me from speaking the truth. It is never wrong to ask for people to be honest, like I was honest in confessing my issue to my wife, even though she is not my head. Furthermore I have confessed it publicly.

    What you got sister? Do you know of some sin in me that needs addressing? Let me know. Don’t keep it a secret. If I’m a hypocrite, or am deceiving y’all, please do tell it, so we can all operate in the open, in the light, in honesty. If there is sin in me, I’d like to make it right today. Don’t hold out on me.

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  100. Stephanie says:

    No, Sharkly, you’ve been honest. I think God will determine the time they are exposed, if He wills it.

    I think some things won’t come out until Judgment Day, when God shows us missed opportunities, lies we told by omission that **many** other people were harmed by.

    Like your wife… none of that horrible evil may be resolved until Judgment Day, when everything is exposed and God reveals it in the great assembly.

    When works we’ve done either prove themselves, or burn up in fire. For others to see.

    You’re fine, Sharkly, I’m sorry for everything you’re going through.

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  101. Sharkly says:

    I fear God, above all else. And God knows all my sins. All will one day be revealed. There is no sense in trying to live by deception.

    I have publicly called out my own older cousin who has known about me since birth, for his unconfessed sin against me. I lived in his parent’s house with him for half a year right after I graduated form university. I’ve lived just a few houses away from him for the last 30 years. I went to the same close knit Mennonite church with him for years. We used to hang out together. I couldn’t do this if I was hiding stuff too. He would know it and share it.
    https://whitewatercommunitychurch.wordpress.com/2020/06/05/leland-entz-pedophile/

    I’ve also confronted two other cousins over the same matter. My older brother spent my whole childhood not only telling on me, but even making up lies about me that my mom, who never really accepted me, would reflexively choose to believe. Furthermore, if I ever did anything less than savory, my own mother made it a point to tell anybody who would listen how bad I was. And later my wife took over trying to make me out to be evil. Trust me, I am one person who has not been allowed to live a double life. The forces of evil have had their eye on me and have been accusing me since my earliest childhood memory.

    And the more I maintain my own righteousness the longer the line grows of people who want to try to find faults with me. Trust me it works that way. Even Righteous Job’s own friends were trying to slander him while he was down and accuse him of pride and such. And still today fools misread the history of Job and are drawn to try to find fault with the man, whom God Himself vindicated.

    Anyhow, obviously people will never stop questioning my character, and it is their right to do so. And I witnessed most of these same folks kissing my ass back when I was rich and successful, and I was not as focused on God. My wife is scared shitless about being pressured into marriage counselling that can include “therapeutic polygraph”. But I’m willing to see if it could help us. “Cuz I ain’t lying.

    While I still sin, I confess it, renounce it, try to make it right if possible, and move on. I don’t live in sin. Nor should anybody else. Better to get things right here on this earth, than to face a holy God with hidden sins. There was a time when I had a few unconfessed sins and my own lies and excuses for keeping them that way, but I feared God enough to eventually feel forced to give that nonsense up, and live in the truth as best I can.
    Yeah, its easier just to lie to people, but being honest is worth the sacrifice. I’ll be rewarded for it later on, even if it costs me now. That is the life of faith.

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  102. Farm Boy says:

    BART would be ”Bay Area Rapid Transit”

    San Francisco’s BART to hire social workers instead of filling police officer vacancies to deal with social problems.

    https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/BART-to-hire-social-workers-instead-of-filling-15857032.php

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  103. Cheque d'Out says:

    ‘Gorgeous George’ is what we British refer to as a gobshite character. By which I mean that he might expect some righteous negative feedback. He’s right on this though. I hope that he sues.

    [Oddly agree with George I do]

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  104. Stephanie says:

    “I fear God above all else.”

    Yes, Sharkly, and that keeps you honest.

    All people it sounds in that post and others mentioned… if they truly feared God, I don’t think they’d be able to lie so much (even by omission). Especially for years.

    I’m lucky this young 20’s wife does fear God. God resists the proud, but He gives grace to the humle.

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  105. Cheque d'Out says:

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  106. Cheque d'Out says:

    I get the impression that some want to leave twatter via some kind of suicide-by-cop scenario

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  107. Stephanie says:

    And I’m sure as you’ve noticed, rebuking people like that does not work.

    Even revealing what happened makes all eyes focused on you (or the person revealing truth) Sharkly. Even when the prophets tried exposing people, some of the them were persecuted, slandered and killed because it makes people angry.

    It’s better to let them continue on covering up, scrubbing internet history footprints, covering their tracks until God reveals it which realistically may be on Judgement Day.

    They’ve used your blog against you, partly because people resist (strongly) something like that. Again, the prophets being persecuted was largely because you can’t really help people “see” something they want to be blind to.

    Unless they have the gift of discernment or prophecy, they may remain blind and despise you for pointing out truth. That’s a natural response. It’s why it takes witnesses etc when dealing with people in a church. I can’t really just do something on my own, and it’s why your blog was used against you.

    You have to wait and rely on God, and sometimes you have to remain silent and wait more.

    In the summer I could tell Trump would probably not win, largely because we were entering into a time where God is pouring out his wrath on our country.

    It is deserved. Most thought he should probably win,but I think they underestimated the evil and how God has to eventually respond to that.

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  108. Cheque d'Out says:

    Oh noes! Everyone realises that the SJW’s greatest weakness is their inability to recognise or handle humour (or reality)

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  109. Cheque d'Out says:

    Propaganda at its worst

    Everyone knows that Creme Eggs are horrible now that they switched from traditional English milk chocolate to that ersatz American plastic shit. Shame on you for pretending that they’re edible.

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  110. Cheque d'Out says:

    Kathleen Karen Kennedy Wants To End Luke Skywalker! This Is Too Much (Star Wars Explained)

    KK wants everyone to stop using Luke so that she can continue to shit on his character in order to build up what passes for characters in her version of the Star Wars universe.

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  111. Stephanie says:

    There was a young man who was stuck in sinking sand with his young wife and baby sinking down also.

    Along passed by a man with his wife and blessed family and the sinking man cried out to them for help.

    Help! My wife and I this are sinking spiritally in this quicksand! If we go down, how will out baby also not due?!?

    But the blessed man and his wife looked down at this man his wife and his baby, and said, “I’m sorry I wish I knew how to save you. We have a MIL that lives with us to help out and let’s us go away for periods of time to have sec in the mountains. I can’t help you.”

    And the blessed man walks away with his family as the younger man, his wife and baby sink lower into despair and hopelessness.

    The blessed man and his wife were also once sinking in that same spot. The man had also cried out for help and God sent people who pulled them out and saved their spiritual lives and marriage.

    But he did not help. Sinking in that quicksand was humiliation he’d rather forget

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  112. Stephanie says:

    The blessed man and his wife even had the rope that someone threw them still inside the wife’s pocket! The rope is the word of God.

    To whom have been given/entrusted with much, much will be expected. But if you refuse to use your gifts given to you, the little you do have will be taken away.

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  113. Farm Boy says:

    Notice who is missing?

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  114. RichardP says:

    @Sharkly – some perspective.

    The Bible is finite. It has a certain number of words, and then it ends. The Bible has within it a warning to not add to, or take away from, what it written there. It is now possible with word-search software to find every instance of warning re. “if you do this, you will not get into heaven”. Once one compiles that list, they can be certain that more won’t be added later, and so can say with confidence these things, and no more are what we must consider.

    We are taught that sin is doing what God tells us not to do (Adam and Eve eating the forbidden fruit), or not doing what God tells us to do (Jonah not going to Nineveh). These sins of comission and sins of omission are all contained in the list of sins that the Bible defines and which can be found with a word-search feature and little effort.

    Affairs of the heart are not in that list.
    Failing to tell someone that their spouse is having an affair of the heart is not in that list.

    But, affairs of the heart are like the forbidden tree that I mentioned. Even as Adam increased the possibility that he might be tempted to eat the forbidden fruit by playing in the tree where the forbidden fruit grew, those who entertain affairs of the heart increase the possibility that their behavior might slip into the behavior that IS in the list of things that will keep one out of heaven in the Bible. So, just as it is wise for Adam to not play in the tree with the forbidden fruit, so also is it wise to not play around with affairs of the heart.

    I read once of the logic of all of the writings that the Jews did about the Law given to Moses in the Jewish Bible. The writer said – imagine a cliff. The Law of Moses says, if you go past this line (the edge of the cliff) you will fall. But, in real life, it is not always so easy to know where that edge is, so that one can avoid it. So the Jewish writers created fences built out of words, some distance back from the edge of the cliff (again, those words written in the Law of Moses). Violating the prohibitions or encouragements created by these Jewish writers was not ever considered to be the same as violating the actual Law of Moses. But folks were encouraged to stay behind the fences created by the Jewish writers, so that they might more certainly stay away from the edge of the cliff.

    Encouraging Adam to not play in the tree where the forbidden fruit grew, and encouraging our friends to stay away from affairs of the heart, are examples of the fences discussed in the previous paragraph. Neither playing in the tree, nor having affairs of the heart are stated in the Bible as something that might keep one out of heaven. But engaging in either (stepping over the fence) can make it easier to end up falling off the cliff.

    It is right that Stephanie and others should help those playing in the tree or meddling with affairs of the heart to understand that those activities should be avoided – for the reasons mentioned. The thread that deals with the question of whether we should reveal all we know, to friends, and to spouses, puts all of this into its proper context. We all think about doing things that are wrong (and many things are wrong regardless of whether they could be classified as “sin”). We would make it difficult for our spousal relationship to survive, much less thrive, if we constantly told our spouse about such thoughts. Pastors do understand this, and so counsel wisdom and caution about what spouses reveal to each other.
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    Sharkly, I’ve been tempted many times to share with you the paragraph after next, but have abstained. I think it would be worthwhile to share it with you now. I offer this out of Christian love and a desire to help you get your head around a spiritual issue that you are grappling with. I have a special kind of anger that this is not taught in a blatant way in the church. The guys who grow up to be husbands might enter marriage (or stay away from marriage) with a much clearer head in terms of knowing what to expect and what to be prepared for.

    You have no doubt seen me express this sentiment around these parts: Consider the wife that Adam’s father got for Adam (I mean, really consider that whole process; God created a help for Adam that force him to choose between her and God.). Given that reality, why should any of us expect a wife that is better than the one that Adam’s father got for him?

    That whole process shows God’s mind on the issue. We even know that God identified the final sacrifice before he created Eve, who would end up needing one. (1Peter 1:18-21) Based on this, we might have a suspicion that God was up to something. But Paul validates that suspicion when he attributes to God what I think are the four most heartbreaking words in all of the Bible: but if she leaves. (1 Corinthians 7:10-11) Those four words stand on their head all of the other words about wife created to be a help to husband and husband being head of wife. If she disobeys husbands request / order to stay, if she blows up the family by leaving, if she leaves the children behind, if she creates all of the pain Sharkly that you know so well, and other guys in the manosphere who have described their pain know so well – if she does all of that, but remains unmarried, God won’t keep her out of heaven for that. She doesn’t even need the final sacrifice for that. But if she leaves is way more than having an affair of the heart. And God won’t keep her out of heaven for all of that pain and turmoil she causes – so long as she remains unmarried.

    Sharkly, those two previous paragraphs create a huge cognitive dissonance, and so I’m guessing you won’t pay much if any attention to them. But there it is, God’s mind, hidden in plain sight. God created the final sacrifice before he created the folks who would need it. That means he knew, before he created Adam and Eve, that all of this present creation would have to live outside of the garden, in a great deal of pain. God could have set things up differently. He didn’t. And he lets her off of the hook that the manosphere preachers create, so long as she remains unmarried.

    Can you imagine any man ever getting married if the church taught the truth of that?

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  115. RichardP says:

    God created the final sacrifice before he created the folks who would need it.

    It is late. I goofed. That should say God identified the final sacrifice. Theology holds that God’s Son was not created.

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