As a kid, I didn’t much like soap operas, or daytime dramas, as they are officially called. In fact, they ruined the word drama for me, as it ways synonymous with soap opera in my mind.
Thank goodness my Mom didn’t watch soap operas, but I was rather unhappy that during the summer when I was home, this was the only thing on TV. Of course, this was in the days before cable. I wondered how anybody could watch such stuff.
It turns out that women can watch it rather easily. It provides them with people, and their interactions and relationships. For the ladies, what is not to like? They must keep track of who is doing what to who and how it all affects their relative standing in the village. I suppose that this is just what they do. Perhaps I should just embrace it all.
Modern women, those following the feminist script of careers, maybe kids, pushing for more, more, more, have enough drama in their lives I do think. Do they need more? Do they need soap operas?
What is your answer?
Never watched Soap Operas or reality television.
I understand the popularity of Soap Operas more than reality television though.
One is like a really bad piece of fiction.
The other is like an even worse piece of fiction.
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Back when I was in college in the 80’s the 5 guys in my house would all get together to watch Days of Our Lives between classes. The volume was always off though as we were only interested in the 3-4 super hot chicks they had on at that time. Sometimes a girl would be over and say, “Hey can we turn the volume up?”
“NOOOO!”
Marlena was the older woman we all wanted to have sex with and Carrie was the girl we wanted for a girlfriend, who we would constantly have sex with.
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Survivor – Outwit, Outplay, Outlast!
Wait, you can get voted off the island? Well then who gives a shit? Then it’s just a fucking high school on Gilligan’s Island. I thought this was supposed to be a survival contest.
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Oh, and when we were out we’d classify chicks as being a Carrie or a Sammi, who was Carrie’s much less attractive sister.
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Most real life women now are more drama than manufactured acting drama on soap operas. And they aren’t as physically attractive either.
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Modern women, those following the feminist script of careers … Do they need soap operas?
If they are working, they won’t be home to watch anyway.
EDIT: As I’m about to click “Post Comment” it occurs to me that my comment is outdated. I forgot that one can now watch television on their smart phone. So – probably the answer is that the career ladies will watch whichever drama holds the most interest for them. If something is going on in front of them at work, they don’t need to watch the soap opera. If nothing is going on, either they will start something, or will just watch the drama on their phone screen.
I’ve long thought that Steve Jobs’ genius was that he created the technical baby for career women. Something they can cuddle in their hands, with a face(s) to look at as they cuddle it. And as much talk as they want, even if most of it is just babbling.
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Richard
LOL, cruel, but fair ;-D
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Back when I was in college in the 80’s the 5 guys in my house would all get together to watch Days of Our Lives between classes. The volume was always off though as we were only interested in the 3-4 super hot chicks they had on at that time. Sometimes a girl would be over and say, “Hey can we turn the volume up?”
“NOOOO!”
Marlena was the older woman we all wanted to have sex with and Carrie was the girl we wanted for a girlfriend, who we would constantly have sex with.
You just won the thread afaic. This just can’t be beaten.
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The volume was always off though as we were only interested in the 3-4 super hot chicks they had on at that time. Sometimes a girl would be over and say, “Hey can we turn the volume up?”
I think I’m younger than you? Not sure by how much. Whatever.
I fully understand your position there bro.
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Earl at 1:49 am
I agree with that too.
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didn’t grow up with a tv. never liked or watched soaps or reality tv.
when i was in college … Luke and Laura were the BIG deal on one of them, and the girls would arrange their class schedules around the soaps, esp Luke and Laura, and they’d sit in the communal tv room watching. can’t remember anything else about them, but for some reason never forgot the names Luke and Laura. lol! i think their saga carried thru my whole college tenure, or so said the girls 🙂
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On topic. Our local soap opera. Jugs Swansong’s Illiberal Undemocratic
PartyShower of ShiteThe Dunning Kruger Effect is REAL, people
[The jugs also real and visible they are]
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Nobody can non laughably state that women liking soaps is a “false consciousness”. Or that guys hating them is also a “false consciousness”. There is something built-in.
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Speaking of “no difference between guys and gals”
Last year in Canada, a first grade teacher told a 6-year-old girl that “there is no such thing as girls and boys” and that “girls are not real and boys are not real.” According to the girl’s parents, this caused their daughter a great deal of distress and amounted to discrimination against her. In fact, they filed a legal complaint against the school last week.
https://pjmedia.com/lifestyle/parents-sue-after-teacher-tells-6-year-old-girls-are-not-real/
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I am thinking that she wouldn’t be very good for parties. A real Debbie Downer
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Q…What does Christmas decorations and Epstein have in common?
A…Neither hung themselves…
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The main reason a majority of Britons want to leave the EU is the micro-management of British public life and British courts and legislators by a regime in Brussels that is not answerable or accountable either to the European Parliament or to the governments of the major constituent states. The second reason is immigration: the famous Polish plumbers are welcome (and much needed), but masses of penniless and unskilled migrants from the Middle East and Africa coming to Britain via Europe are another matter.
https://www.nysun.com/foreign/mr-machiavelli-is-headed-for-big-win-in-britain/90898/
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Liz sent this in. Mike captured it during his hunting excursion
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Did anyone post that ABC video released by project veritas?
Still worth another looksie. It is really something else.
We should be watching Maxwell (the woman who procured the girls) for “suicidal ideation” next.
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That last one made me laugh out loud, Swithy. 😆
Mike told me that last night his landing was so smooth one of the indicators thought they were still in flight. I asked about the water on board and he says it’s potable…at least, he drinks the coffee.
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I have a private (political) forum on FB.
It’s a lot tamer than this one as far as “candor”…I wouldn’t post there a lot of the stuff I post here. Which is an important bit of information to place this in context:
Yesterday, the admin received a message that a post violated FB “community standards”. Note the Orwellian nature:
First, they removed the post.
Second, they would not even tell the admin what the post contained IN A PRIVATE GROUP.
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I have to really wonder if the whistleblower “Anonymous”, cited in the NYTimes with a new book out this month, is the person the rumors are indicating it is.
Now, I have come to expect a lot of prevarication in the form of parsed statements, or things taken out of context, partial information et al. I completely expect the janitor to be described as an “anonymous White House insider”.
But if this person is The “Anonymous” the bar has been lowered beyond the pale.
Obviously they’re not going to say this is some sketchy low level dude.
But calling him a “senior level official”?!? Really?
A low level young staff weenie whose own father doesn’t believe he could be The “Anonymous” due to his low level position?
I know mainstream media has sunken far…very far, but there is usually some level of truth to their claim, at least to protect their credibility even a modicum. This would be straight forward outright fabrication.
Time will tell.
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This is worth a repeat
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It’s a bit like if a hospital was under investigation and the media asserted a “high level surgeon” had insider information he wanted to share. And a book also. Then you find out it was the receptionist.
“Hey! Just because he’s a receptionist doesn’t indicate he isn’t in the know…he knows things…don’t you dare claim he is biased…”
Well, bias (though obvious and overwhelmingly apparent) isn’t even really the point in said case, is it?
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As three of America’s biggest networks, these outlets have each become embroiled in controversy in 2019 following multiple separate reports that they have played a part in covering up some of the world’s most powerful rape and pedophile rings.
https://dailycaller.com/2019/11/07/nbc-abc-cbs-rape-rings-weinstein-epstein/
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According to the student, declaring abortion and birth control women-centric issues “erases trans men and people who are non-binary who get abortions and/or use birth control.”
The student then reported the professor to administration, complaining “there was no push back by the professor to get students to be more inclusive and instead repeated this erasure.”
https://www.thecollegefix.com/iowa-state-professor-reported-to-administration-for-allowing-students-to-say-only-women-have-abortions/
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Facebook doesn’t know private from a hill of beans. Now they want to put these “Portal” cameras in your house. Are you fucking crazy? You want them to know everything you do in your own home? All the listening devices aren’t bad enough? People are insane.
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Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., on Thursday released a sweeping immigration plan that would impose a moratorium on deportations, “break up” existing immigration enforcement agencies, grant full welfare access to illegal immigrants and welcome a minimum of 50,000 “climate migrants” in the first year of a Sanders administration.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/sanders-immigration-plan
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But history has never mattered to progressives, and progressive is just another name for communist. 70 years later and the results of this subversion and outright treachery are in; Australia has been successfully invaded and is well down the road to being subverted
https://pushingrubberdownhill.com/2019/11/09/we-were-never-asked/
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Once again, the “abortion culture” matters, but is ignored in favor of easy answers. (The same article lists Vietnam as a country considered to have an “abortion culture”, similar in its post-communist status to Cuba and the Soviet Union.) We must again replace the confident phrase, “contraception reduces abortion rates”, with something like “contraception reduces abortion rates primarily in countries who already view abortion as an amoral means of family planning
https://sigmaframe.wordpress.com/2019/11/09/a-deeper-look-at-contraception-and-abortion/
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The Bidens were lifelong public servants and they created wealth as a derivative of that. My father campaigned on his success as a businessperson, as somebody who was not a politician and could be a great disrupter and has delivered on that goal,” Trump said
https://pjmedia.com/trending/ivanka-our-wealth-was-created-prior-to-government-service-while-biden-made-money-from-it/
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Gratuitous images
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Rather than celebrate the collapse of authoritarian Communism in Europe, Brokaw sympathized with Witt over how “hard” it must have been on her athletic career.
https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/kyle-drennen/2019/11/08/30-years-after-berlin-wall-came-down-nbcs-brokaw-recalls-beautiful
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A new rumor indicates that Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker test screenings introduce a new “secret Skywalker.”
Not only does this rumor indicate there will be a new “secret Skywalker,” but the character is the result of disastrous test screenings
https://boundingintocomics.com/2019/11/08/rumor-star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-to-feature-secret-skywalker/
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Bianco told Kelly that she doesn’t know who leaked the tape because “everyone” at ABC was aware it existed. She also insisted she had never heard of Project Veritas before this week.
“I begged, I pleaded, I didn’t know what I had done wrong,” she told Kelly. “I wasn’t even given the professional courtesy to defend myself. It was humiliating, it was devastating.”
https://www.foxnews.com/media/abc-news-cbs-news-face-growing-backlash-over-handling-of-epstein-leaker
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The best is yet to come’ pledges Donald Trump at ‘Blacks for Trump’ event as he says African-Americans have the ‘worst schools than anybody’ and Democrats care more about illegal aliens than them
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7666233/The-best-come-pledges-Donald-Trump-Blacks-Trump-event.html
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[Wonder who Elbonia really is I do]
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@Ame said: when i was in college … Luke and Laura were the BIG deal …and the girls would arrange their class schedules around the soaps, esp Luke and Laura,
A phenomenon worthy of some attention in the manosphere on the same order as the attention shown to the phenomenon of Shades of Grey. What do women respond to? The nice guy, right?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luke_and_Laura
Luke Spencer and Laura Webber are fictional characters, and the signature supercouple from the American daytime drama General Hospital.
Despite having been raped by a drunken Luke, Laura falls in love with him. Originally, critics of the soap opera genre panned the choice of having a rape victim fall in love with her rapist, an example of forced seduction. The unlikely pairing became popular in spite of Luke’s past misdeed when the story shifted to focus on love and redemption.
The couple wed at the end of the hour-long show on November 16, 1981; the event was watched by 30 million viewers and remains the highest-rated hour in American soap opera history. Viewers watched as the show followed their marriage through two decades and gave them two children. Today, their union still has a presence in fictional town Port Charles. In 1996, TV Guide included the wedding of Luke and Laura as part of its “100 Most Memorable Moments in TV History,” ranking it number 35. On Internet message boards, the couple is often referred to as “L&L” or “LnL” (for Luke and Laura).
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LOL Ame… I’ve never ever in my life understood why anyone watches soap operas.
They’d always be the only thing on if I was sick and had to stay home from school, and I hated it LOL SOooooo dramatic and annoying.
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Richard – wow, that brings back memories!
i asked my Husband b/c his mother was an avid soap watcher, and he immediately remembered L&L. he said that Luke was hired as a hit man to take Laura out, but while watching her he fell in love with her and couldn’t do it. then the people who hired him figured it out, hired someone else to do the job, and they went on the run together. i mentioned that apparently he raped her. he chuckled and said, “Yeah, you could call it that, but she wanted it!” i guess they’d built some kind of relationship by that point. my Husband said that everyone watched it, including all the guys he knew. i was shocked. he said, “You think they could have got those ratings on just women alone?” he said they tried to bring them back a few years after they left the show but it never had the same ratings. i guess the story line that drew in the guys was a one-and-done.
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my Husband remembered why they had a hit on her … he said she witnessed a mob hit, so they put a hit on her.
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now my Husband is probably going to remember bits and pieces over the next couple days! lol!
[Hope not I do]
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Very nice job by this guy.
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https://www.redstate.com/elizabeth-vaughn/2019/11/09/elizabeth-warren-black-trans-women-gender-nonconforming-nonbinary-people-backbone-democracy/
Thank you, @BlackWomxnFor! Black trans and cis women, gender-nonconforming, and nonbinary people are the backbone of our democracy and I don’t take this endorsement lightly. I’m committed to fighting alongside you for the big, structural change our country needs.
If Trump can’t beat this hag like a fake indian rug… oh is that politically incorrect? Sorry, not sorry.
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Any of the biblical scholars around here heard about the recently discovered 11th Commandment?
“Thou shalt not subscribe to Disney+“
[Part of Disney I am.
Ashamed I would be]
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President Donald Trump bookended an official Republican request for certain witnesses to be included in the Democrats’ ongoing impeachment inquiry, by suggesting that Speaker of the House Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) and House Intelligence Committee chair Rep. Adam Schiff (D-CA), submit to questions under oath.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/president-trump-nervous-nancy-pelosi-shifty-adam-schiff-should-testify-in-impeachment-inquiry
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Then, Alba turned to a male student named Parker, who was wearing a pro-Trump button.
“Why do you like him so much and what policies stand out to you?” she asked.
“I would say mainly just the no-nonsense policies and especially since Jeffrey Epstein didn’t kill himself,” the student said
https://dailycaller.com/2019/11/09/alabama-student-jeffrey-epstein-msnbc/
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Today is the big Remembrance Sunday here. Commemorating 11am 11/11/18
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However some are questioning however why Greta, a white child, is gaining so much attention over indigenous activists. They say that Greta is benefiting from a “global system of white supremacy” which has given her “privilege and a platform”.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2019/10/supporting-greta-thunberg-is-evidence-of-white-supremacy-activists-claim.amp.html
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“he said that Luke was hired as a hit man to take Laura out, but while watching her he fell in love with her and couldn’t do it. then the people who hired him figured it out, hired someone else to do the job, and they went on the run together.”
LOL
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Actually Yoda, you pre-date Disney and many consider you to be trapped behind enemy lines.
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Sometimes people ask, “How could someone like that come to power?”, well here’s a young Gaddafi…
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@Ame – re https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luke_and_Laura
Not that the story of Luke and Laura, as soap-opera personalities, really matters. But what their storyline portrays is as current as today’s blog posts in the manosphere.
Smith wrote a controversial rape storyline between Luke and Laura. To prepare for the story, Geary and Francis both met with a social worker before taping the rape scenes. Originally intended to be a brutal attack, Monty re-choreographed the scene’s blocking in order for the encounter to come off as a seduction.
General Hospital’s music director at the time, Jill Farren Phelps, chose to use the song “Rise”, written by Randy “Badazz” Alpert and Andy Armer, performed by trumpeter Herb Alpert during the rape scene and ensuing scenes that recalled the rape. “Every time Laura thought of the terrible rape by Luke, it was played to evoke that memory,” Phelps said. “Consequently, we used it constantly for a while.
Then we turned the story around so that he was no longer the rapist and that was no longer the appropriate piece of music.” The song already ranked on the Billboard Hot 100, but the exposure “Rise” gained from appearing on General Hospital helped bring it to number one.
After the story aired in October 1979, it was looked back on as a rape and Laura was shown getting rape counseling. However, the writers decided to have the characters look back on the incident as a seduction instead of a rape because the pairing resonated with the audience. “From that point on, we played [Luke’s] regret and his total devastation,” Geary said. “That’s a story nobody wants to tell—that the rapist’s life is as devastated as the person he rapes. His great love and regret and guilt are what caught the audience so off guard.”
Why would Luke have regret and total devasation over a seduction?
The show played off of the understanding that Luke raped Laura. And then Laura “fell in love with her rapist”. The only reason that the Luke character was not killed off soon after, as was the original plan, was because of the overwhelmingly positive audience reaction to Laura falling in love with her rapist. Doesn’t really matter that they toned down the rape scene from what was originally planned. The folks quoted in the Wikipedia entry clearly intended to portray to the audience that Laura had been raped. And that Laura fell in love with her rapist. And the audience responded hugely to that. Shades of “hit her over the head and drag her off to your cave”.
Which circles back to the question of which guy are the ladies actually attracted to? The nice guy? The producers of the show found out differently.
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I think Patch and Kayla’s baby got kidnapped to Australia and grew up to become Choicy.
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https://dailycaller.com/2019/11/09/donald-trump-lsu-alabama-game/
President Donald Trump was greeted with loud cheers and chants of “USA! USA!” at Saturday’s college football game between the Alabama Crimson Tide and LSU Tigers….
Trump’s attendance at two other recent sporting events was greeted with mixed reactions. Crowds booed and heckled the president at last month’s World Series game five in Washington, D.C., while a mix of boos and cheers greeted him at a UFC match in New York City last weekend.
Because, fuck y’all, D.C. and NYC.
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It also helped that Laura was quite fetching.
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I always thought that Luke looked a bit “off”
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Don’t know what’s up with the images of Napoleonic Froggies retreating from Moscow.
The singer, Tams, was an actor in the Sharpe series. A bit Boys’ Own, but enjoyable.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Boy%27s_Own_Paper
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@Ame said: i guess they’d built some kind of relationship by that point. my Husband said that everyone watched it, including all the guys he knew. i was shocked. he said, “You think they could have got those ratings on just women alone?”
A fetching young woman responding emotionally and sexually to a display of male power and strength. Responding emotionally and sexually because of that display of power and strength. That is the stuff of every young man’s dreams. I don’t wonder that the young guys were watching Luke and Laura’s story alongside the young girls.
Contrast that with the male response to all of the conversations going on currently about patriarchy and rape culture. Young men are not lining up to watch that storyline.
I’m not advocating violence of any kind. But the difference in male response between the Luke and Laura story and the rape culture story is real, and quite visible. There has to be something real and true behind the cliche hit her over the head and drag her back to your cave or it never would have become a cliche.
Somewhere I have a quote from Sunshine Mary about the first time her husband was firm with her (she described it, but I don’t remember details). Having had feminist views through college, and maybe into her marriage, SSM said she was very surprised at the positive response that rose up inside of her when her husband displayed his power and strength. IIRC, that was the begining of the crumbling of her feminist thinking.
That so many young folks (both female and male) responded positively to the Luke and Laura story, and placed alongside the vignette from SSM, and the male response to the current feminist trope against patriarchy and rape culture, there must be some there there.
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Interesting that the flag shown at around 5 seconds in the video above pre-dates the addition of Ireland (now Northern Ireland) to the flag. No diagonal red.
http://funflagfacts.com/2016/08/07/flag-united-kingdom/
The song is an amalgamation of different period pieces. It mentions King George but there are Queen Anne versions
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Yeah, I probably wouldn’t have killed her either…
That’s a weird pose. Is she reaching for his wallet already?
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Frizzy hair on a guy always looks “off”.
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KH – Yeah, I probably wouldn’t have killed her either…
That’s a weird pose. Is she reaching for his wallet already?
well … if her hand is reaching for his wallet . . . his hand is reaching for her . . . . .
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Farm Boy
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I always thought that Luke looked a bit “off”
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Farm Boy
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Frizzy hair on a guy always looks “off”.
i’m guessing he had a perm! lol!
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a pic of “Luke” and “Laura” – 2006
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“World War II Marine, 96, Finishes Marathon With Shot of Scotch”
https://www.runnersworld.com/news/a20831456/world-war-ii-marine-96-finishes-marathon-with-shot-of-scotch/?fbclid=IwAR0KkdQ5r7aaxTlfkVxAAQvguGDr52Zf5oxqgZwN5E1CCuGx5eN9izBuiRA
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Remembrance Day here. The wives of one of Canada’s most famous regiments, the PPCLI:
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LOL, sorry about that, today is only the tenth,,,save the song until tomorrow ;-D
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I’ll be busy tommorow. So listened now.
Pulling an Ame trick: ** tears ** . Big time.
What an opener: In a foreign field … The rest just writes itself in my imagination.
It was never just a piece of cloth. It was always a stand-in for a set of ideals that men held dear. Ideals that men were willing to die for. Ideals that men don’t hold so dear anymore, and so it becomes just a piece of cloth. What’s to stand for, if that is all it is? Who honors that, it’s just a piece of cloth.
But not for everybody.
Thanks for that bg. It has instantly become one of my favorite songs.
Doesn’t really matter what country one is from. If one has served in the military, the emotions displayed in that video are immediately recognizable. Universal.
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We do Remembrance Sunday
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Liz has “Squeee!”
Ame has *tears*
i guess we balance it all out in the end 🙂
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i am so deeply grateful for all who have served, fought, sacrificed, came home, and those who never made it back … those who stood for something they believed in, those who defended those who could not defend themselves.
many veterans out here at Spawny’s Space. i am so deeply grateful for all of you.
and i’m so deeply grateful for the families at home, ‘keeping the home fires burning.’
[Veteran of the Clone Wars I am]
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“Only if we stop Brexit can we then go on to handle things like climate change, tackle climate change, invest in the NHS, do something about the terrible skill shortages, the lack of nurses in the NHS at the moment, the lack of staff in other areas,” she went on to say. “We have to tackle these things. But before we do, we have to stop Brexit because it is sucking the lifeblood out of everything in this country.”
https://pjmedia.com/trending/british-mp-brexit-is-sucking-the-life-out-of-everything-we-have-to-stop-it/
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Should be a link to the first episode of The World At War. The whole series is on there. This is the gold standard for documentaries, I reckon. The theme music becomes haunting imho. Made when the people who lived the events were still available and having all their faculties. Really recommend the series
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There is a new post
https://spawnyspace.wordpress.com/2019/11/11/red-pill-movie-review-midway/
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Farm Boy
3h ago
“Only if we stop Brexit can we then go on to handle things like climate change, tackle climate change, invest in the NHS, do something about the terrible skill shortages, the lack of nurses in the NHS at the moment, the lack of staff in other areas,” she went on to say. “We have to tackle these things. But before we do, we have to stop Brexit because it is sucking the lifeblood out of everything in this country.”
stopping brexit is ‘sucking the lifeblood out of everything in this country’ … some people are deluded. can’t tackle climate change b/c brexit is sucking their lifeblood. people is crazee.
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Yes, crazy
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I always thought that Luke looked a bit “off”
I had no idea Michael Bolton was also a soap opera star!
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However some are questioning however why Greta, a white child, is gaining so much attention over indigenous activists. They say that Greta is benefiting from a “global system of white supremacy” which has given her “privilege and a platform”.
They’re right. If “global warming activists” were earnest they’d recruit someone from a cargo cult, not a developed nation, as the spokesperson.
“Technology is mysterious and spooky. For worshipee, not usee!”
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How about recruiting one of those Africans who speak with clicks?
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