The Herd Revisited


Adam found this here comment,

Single mothers, and nearly all other women for that matter, won’t listen to a bunch of guys on the internet. The womenfolk won’t listen to men period, except selectively to the few alpha men in their circle, and only the bare minimum that they must in order to stay in good graces or out of trouble.

The only thing that will bring bad girls of all varieties to heel is other women. Women used to behave themselves because they feared the wrath of other women, and the social consequences that would result from crossing the Queen Bee. Nowadays, women behave appallingly for the same reason. The only difference is the nature of the Queen Bee. A girl who doesn’t toe the line, whatever the line is, loses access to the social life of her community very quickly indeed.

I see it in my two daughters, who try their best to bat their eyes and charm their way out of consequences when my husband lays down the law, but who cower when I have a quiet word to back up his edicts. It’s not that they don’t take him seriously, but that they recognize the pain of female ostracization.

It is commonly held in the manosphere that women are herd animals, who fear being thrown out of the herd.  The supposition is that in the tribal days, the womenfolk operated in the village while the men hunted.  It was very social in the village, with the normal in groups / out groups, changing alliances, mostly indirect social interactions, etc.  But in the end, the group mostly protected their own, except when it didn’t.

Being thrown out by one man was not necessarily a big deal, as one might find another.  But being thrown out of the group for a big offense against the group, that was scary.  That is what is being discussed above.  Being a slut in a group that does not condone sluttiness can lead to being thrown out of the group, a real horror.  In reality, it is not so much a horror in the modern age, but the deep down reaction is still there.

Avoiding this reaction is significant driving force in women always pushing for new behaviors being sanctified by the group (and law).  Since I am not a woman, I don’t know how bad the reaction is to being a loner outside the group; perhaps the ladies will chime in here.

As a fella, I learned that groups come and go, but principles and abilities are always.  In other words, it is not necessarily to be a lone wolf, engaging and disengaging when needed.  Would such a way of life be horrifying to women?  Ladies, please let us all know.

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171 comments on “The Herd Revisited
  1. horsemanbombadil says:

    Nice confined space maneuvering. Quick clean approach and backout.

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  2. Yeah, I don’t know ’bout all that, but I do know that I’ve been taking the Ocu-vites for close to two months now and I still can’t read with my eyes shut. So I’m calling “Shenanigans” on the whole thing. It’s a scam I tell ya.

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  3. horsemanbombadil says:

    Probably the hardest type of refueling in the world. Nothing is static.
    Basket dancing from both the wash of the Herc and his own rotor wash.

    This is a mild calm day with little wind, basket is pretty calm at precontact.
    Imagine a coast guard SAR refueling during a storm at sea.

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  4. h0neyc0mb says:

    Mean while these are the wimminz that th wimminz listen to ..

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  5. h0neyc0mb says:

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/a-waste-texas-gun-control-activist-shoots-her-three-children-dead-in-murder-suicide

    https://meaww.com/ashley-auzenne-shot-children-death-murder-suicide-houston-texas-deer-park-upset-terms-of-divorce

    The MSM treat her like a fallen hero. That’s what we are up against. Poor thing was gonna have to get a job .. oh wait .. or just murder the only the (ex) husband cared about .. selfish whore.

    Will da wimminz fix this problem .. lol .. they don’t think they have a problem.

    I’ll be on the veranda with an adult beverage.

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  6. Farm Boy says:

    [Gotten an A+ from me it would have]

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  7. Farm Boy says:

    The MSM treat her like a fallen hero. That’s what we are up against. Poor thing was gonna have to get a job .. oh wait .. or just murder the only the (ex) husband cared about .. selfish whore.

    I Am not sure I want to write on this topic. Perhaps one of the ladies might write a guest post

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  8. Farm Boy says:

    Washington Nat Ryan Zimmerman to Trump: ‘Thank You for…Continuing to Make America the Greatest Country’

    https://www.cnsnews.com/article/washington/craig-millward/washington-nat-ryan-zimmerman-trump-thank-you-forcontinuing-make

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  9. Farm Boy says:

    The latest Trump rally

    I wonder if KH is in the audience

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  10. Farm Boy says:

    Liz after a tough day

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  11. Cheque d'Out says:

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  12. Farm Boy says:

    ABC’s “The View” co-host Joy Behar suggested on Monday that Democrats should wait until they are elected into public office before they reveal to the American people their true political intentions.

    “They should not tell everything they’re going to do,” Behar said. “Like if you are going to take people’s guns away, wait until you get elected and then take the guns away. Don’t tell them ahead of time.”

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/joy-behar-suggests-that-democrats-shouldnt-warn-americans-ahead-of-time-before-taking-their-guns

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  13. Cheque d'Out says:

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  14. Cheque d'Out says:

    Jugs Swineson is demanding to be put on the TV next-Prime Minister debate show despite having no chance of being the next PM, because sexism

    Norma Snorks is the epitomy of politicians who feel entitled to lie, fantasise and talk bollocks

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  15. Cheque d'Out says:

    (Still prefer the ‘Please to remember’ start)

    Remember, remember the fifth of November,
    Gunpowder treason and plot.
    We see no reason
    Why gunpowder treason
    Should ever be forgot!

    Guy Fawkes, guy, t’was his intent
    To blow up king and parliament.
    Three score barrels were laid below
    To prove old England’s overthrow.

    By god’s mercy he was catch’d
    With a darkened lantern and burning match.
    So, holler boys, holler boys, Let the bells ring.
    Holler boys, holler boys, God save the king.

    And what shall we do with him?
    Burn him!

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  16. Cheque d'Out says:

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  18. Cheque d'Out says:

    Brexit Party number up by 4% in latest poll

    The toreez imagined that the Brexit vote was all theirs and nobody would inspect BloJo’s ‘oven ready’ Shit Deal(tm). Oops

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  19. Cheque d'Out says:

    I have a copy of that shit magazine sitting next to me right now.

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  20. Cheque d'Out says:

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  21. Farm Boy says:

    I hear “Diversity is our strength” lots. But nobody ever explains why this is true. I wonder what is happening here…

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  22. Farm Boy says:

    There’s a real responsibility that comes with making laws as well, and so far it looks like Ardern’s gun ban is going to create more armed criminals than disarm them, since she’s turning law-abiding gun owners into felons for simply maintaining possession of their legally acquired firearms. I’d say that’s pretty irresponsible, no matter how well-intended the gun grab may have been.

    https://bearingarms.com/cam-e/2019/11/04/new-zealands-gun-confiscation-shaping-massive-failure/

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  23. Cheque d'Out says:

    [Love those Merlins I do]

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  24. Farm Boy says:

    according to the results of a recent Harvard-Harris national poll which found that twice-failed presidential hopeful Hillary Clinton would tie for first place with Joe Biden if she were to join the underwhelming field of candidates vying to face Donald Trump in 2020.

    https://freebeacon.com/politics/ready-for-hillary-2020/

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  25. For our Colorado compatriots:

    https://wordpress.com/read/feeds/92215637/posts/2472694331

    In December 2018, Governor Jared Polis appointed 35-year-old Shoshana Lew as his new Executive Director, a history major at Harvard University with an M.A. in American History from Northwestern. She replaced Governor Hickenlooper’s appointment of 56-year-old Michael Lewis, an engineer with extensive public construction management experience. Lew’s appointment was a shock to CDOT employees.

    Lew’s primary qualification, according to insiders, was her close relationship to Michelle Obama who called the newly elected governor for a favor — find a job for Shoshana Lew. Lew is the daughter of President Obama’s Chief of Staff and later Secretary of the Treasury, Jack Lew. Ms. Lew is considered by some as an example of how the rich and well connected can use their positions to secure favored treatment in and outside of government.

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  26. Liz says:

    The View” co-host Joy Behar suggested on Monday that Democrats should wait until they are elected into public office before they reveal to the American people their true political intentions.
    “They should not tell everything they’re going to do,” Behar said. “Like if you are going to take people’s guns away, wait until you get elected and then take the guns away. Don’t tell them ahead of time.”

    My opinion of Joy is almost as bad as my opinion of Gillebrand. Well, probably half as bad. Maybe a tenth or twelfth as bad.
    Still really really bad.
    I’d like to replace her hair dye with crazy glue.

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  27. Liz says:

    Gillebrand, by contrast, I’d like to see made into crazy glue…

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  28. Farm Boy says:

    President Trump, once the popular reality TV host of The Apprentice and a favorite of celebrity shows and gossip columns, has become the No. 1 target of death threats, according to the U.S. Secret Service.

    His son, Donald Trump Jr., is No. 2 on the list

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/secret-service-president-trump-son-don-jr-no-1-no-2-highest-death-threats

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  29. I don’t like crowds. Or politics. Or Lexington.

    [So an introvert you would be]

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  30. Liz says:

    I hear “Diversity is our strength” lots. But nobody ever explains why this is true. I wonder what is happening here…

    It’s one of those short, pithy phrases people say because they sound good.
    But the people who say them don’t mean what they say….they don’t even understand what they are saying.
    Diversity as “strength” means you take someone from a different community as an outside the box thinker, to combat institution-think. Trump would be an example. But the same folks who scream about the importance of “diversity” hate him.
    Another example might be an officer who was prior enlisted. And so forth.

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  31. Here’s my attempt: “Diversity is our strength because reasons. Or it is raisins? It could be raisins. Yep, Google says raisins. Diversity is our strength because raisins!”

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  32. One statue, and four blocks of wood.

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  33. Liz says:

    I just make a post about the real meaning of “diversity” and I get an email from Diamond and Silk. Never got one before. Weird. Or is it racist to think that? 😆

    We all share one computer in this house for the internet (our boys made a computer but hooking it up to the internet is tedious). The bots must be very confused.
    Yesterday when Mike was ordering the Captains of Crush Hand Gripper, I thought he said he was ordering the Captains of Crush (something) Stripper (yeah, we’re both kinda hard of hearing these days). I noted this would REALLY confuse the bots as the day before I had ordered a Bible. Or maybe (on second thought) they’re accustomed to that…

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  34. Cheque d'Out says:

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  35. That’s a one-step process of just making her into glue, as the crazy is already present.

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  36. P.S. Who says it was well-intended?

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  37. Liz says:

    Just my luck. I started reading and commenting on Victory Girls just as they went on a screed about vaccinations and how the anti-vaxxers (linking, as they always do, anyone who dares question anything about any vaccine) are a terrorist organization.
    Good grief.

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  38. Liz says:

    For the record, no I don’t think “threatening other people’s children with biological terrorism” is a good idea. I think that is very very bad. I also think excluded middle fallacy land is an inaccurate place to live.

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  39. Cheque d'Out says:

    There’s a lot in here to agree with. It’s a good summary of the current situation.
    https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/farage-faces-blue-on-blue-onslaught/
    But I think that as time goes on, the problems will be piling up for BloJo rather than Nigel.

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  40. Liz says:

    [sorry, rant-a-comin]
    Up until 1999, vaccinations contained thimerosal.
    The amount of mercury this exposed infants too then (this proven, though one doesn’t hear about it…ever) far exceeded FDA guidelines for toxicity.
    Let me put this into perspective:
    In the first 24 hours of life, infants were injected routinely for hepatitis b, containing a mercury compound, in case their mothers were hepatitis b positive (which is easily screened for and occurs in .04 percent of cases).
    Most people my age have either never received the shot, or received it before going into medical training (or some field that would expose us to blood….I got my shot at 20 years old). They are still giving these shots to newborns. Now, they don’t contain mercury anymore (to my knowledge) but for years we were being told this was a good thing, no problem, and….btw…you don’t have a choice anyway to shut up your newborn baby will get his shot now.

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  41. Liz says:

    Have a feeling I’ll get banned soon at Victory girls so I should probably just zip it.
    “People who object to any vaccinations whatsoever are dangerous, they should be imprisoned and have their children taken away from them! They’re all emotional! Not like us!”
    (let’s take all the Amish children away and scorch the earth over there…like Carthage. That’ll learn ’em)

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  42. Cheque d'Out says:

    Emma Watson: ‘I’m happy to be single, I call it being self-partnered’

    That’s a freakily ugly hair-do
    https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-50299642

    Just can’t find a rich enough man who loves her as much as she does?

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  43. Cheque d'Out says:

    It’s like there’s a script or something

    Emma Watson says she felt “stressed and anxious” about turning 30 because of pressures on her personal life.

    The actress – whose birthday is in April – says there’s an “influx of subliminal messaging” around about what you should have achieved by that age.

    “If you do not have a husband, if you do not have a baby… There’s just this incredible amount of anxiety,” she told British Vogue.

    But Emma adds that she’s happy single, calling it “being self-partnered”.

    The Harry Potter actress says previously she’d never believed the idea that you could be happy and be single.

    “I was like, ‘This is totally spiel’. It took me a long time, but I’m very happy [being single].”

    Emma, who’s also an activist and campaigns for women’s rights, says the past year has been “tough” because of the stage of life she’s at.

    “I was like, ‘Why does everyone make such a big fuss about turning 30? This is not a big deal’.

    “Cut to 29, and I’m like, ‘Oh my God, I feel so stressed and anxious.

    “And I realise it’s because there is suddenly this influx of subliminal messaging around.

    “If you have not built a home, if you do not have a husband, if you do not have a baby, and you are turning 30, and you’re not in some incredibly secure, stable place in your career, or you’re still figuring things out…There’s just this incredible amount of anxiety.”

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  44. Cheque d'Out says:

    And now another part of the script

    Though she tried creating a normal life for herself, Watson admitted she didn’t have much luck in the dating department.

    “I say to my friends, ‘Why hasn’t X called me? Why doesn’t anyone ever pursue me?’ They’re like, ‘Probably because they’re intimidated.’ It must be the fame wall,” she said. “It must be the circus that goes around me. Me, as a person, I find it hard to believe I would be intimidating.”

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  45. Cheque d'Out says:

    OH THIS IS GREAT!

    ONE OF THE BIGGEST TORY TRAITORS IS GONE AS AN MP TONIGHT

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  46. Cheque d'Out says:

    Ooh pretty! A picture of a B17 with liquid cooled engines (at 6:30)

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  47. Cheque d'Out says:

    He’s very informed and has all the data but the delivery is a little monotonous. The eventual answer is that the maximum loads were quite similar but the usual loads were greater on the Lanc due to B17s being operated in a way that preferred the higher speeds and altitudes possible with lighter loads. Then you get into greater accuracy requires less bombs dropped…night vs day. Bombsights etc.

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  48. Cheque d'Out says:

    Happy to announce that my Magnificent Cock is back! I had thought I’d heard him several times but I’ve just had my first sighting. No hens evident though.

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  49. Liz says:

    Just to add (yes, me again), those were FDA figures, I should’ve said EPA figures for mercury toxicity in infants. Depends entirely on weight though…a very small infant (lowest 5 percent, for example) could receive far more than considered a safe dosage over the course of obligatory injections up until 6 months old (this prior to 2001…just found out the 1999 figure gave them two years to remove this ingredient everywhere). A huge baby would be comparatively much safer.

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  50. Liz says:

    No hens evident though.

    I’m sure (with such a splendid cock on display there) they’ll come around. 😆

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  51. Cheque d'Out says:

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  52. Liz says:

    Back when we lived in South Korea (think it was then) Mike was forced to get a bunch of anthrax “immunizations” (in parenthesis because they knew these would be completely ineffective in the event of a weaponized anthrax attack). A few injections into the series, they ran out, so they started the series over. Then they ran out again…we left before they could restart the series. God forbid anyone object to the potential poison they were putting in….well, object but shut up and hold your arm out, soldier! All “vaccines” are good! Repeat after me….
    “ALL vaccines MUST be good!”
    During the testing phase of the F22, Mike looked down into his mask as he was about to put it on his face. There was a bubbling fluid. He asked what it was and they said, “antifreeze…but don’t worry, this antifreeze is safe for you”
    Yeah.

    okay, done.

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  53. Farm Boy says:

    These journalists were not reporters, as we know the word, but conduits for leakers in our intelligence agencies and FBI with rusty axes to grind. It was these leakers, Smith points out, who actually deserved the Pulitzer prizes, such as they were. The journalists were just their secretaries.

    https://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/the-cowardly-whistleblower-and-anonymous-must-go-public/

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  54. Cheque d'Out says:

    A quick bio of Philip Hammond

    Bawbag is Sco’ish for scrotum/scrotal sac. A corruption of ball bag, obviously.

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  55. Cheque d'Out says:

    Not sure if you have the, three decades so far, Now that’s what I call music phenomenon(?) of best of the year(?) albums but…

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  56. Stephanie says:

    I know I probably sound like a crazy anti-vaxxer, but just watched this video during a pre-lunch break betwen schooling… They talk about how the shot was confirmed to be contaminated around 8:40 minutes in, and that it killed another 2 yr old in addition to causing severe autism in other children who got it.

    At least ours are on an slower plan… and I just recently was able to get the official paperwork to have, “religious exemption,” from needing them.

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  57. Cheque d'Out says:

    Have you got a spread for bread called I can’t believe it’s not butter?

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  58. Stephanie says:

    What I find fishy is that even though it was confirmed with their vaccine lot number, that it had in fact been contaminated, the company/government would not let these parents know what it was contaminated with.

    Obviously not all lots have problems… just can’t believe some apparently get through that are so poisonous.

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  61. Cheque d'Out says:

    This is the morality that we’re dealing with. And the stupidity to public expose that immorality by complaining about it publicly.

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  62. Cheque d'Out says:

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  63. Cheque d'Out says:

    The American begging with threats tradition of trick or treat is an unfortunate recent introduction to our shores. There is an older tradition of ‘a penny for the guy’ though. The Guy being a rough made mannequin of Guy Fawkes that ends up on the bonfire on Bonfire Night, which is tonight

    English Folk Verse (c.1870)
    The Fifth of November

    Remember, remember!
    The fifth of November,
    The Gunpowder treason and plot;
    I know of no reason
    Why the Gunpowder treason
    Should ever be forgot!
    Guy Fawkes and his companions
    Did the scheme contrive,
    To blow the King and Parliament
    All up alive.
    Threescore barrels, laid below,
    To prove old England’s overthrow.
    But, by God’s providence, him they catch,
    With a dark lantern, lighting a match!
    A stick and a stake
    For King James’s sake!
    If you won’t give me one,
    I’ll take two,
    The better for me,
    And the worse for you.
    A rope, a rope, to hang the Pope,
    A penn’orth of cheese to choke him,
    A pint of beer to wash it down,
    And a jolly good fire to burn him.
    Holloa, boys! holloa, boys! make the bells ring!
    Holloa, boys! holloa boys! God save the King!
    Hip, hip, hooor-r-r-ray!

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  64. Liz says:

    What I find fishy is that even though it was confirmed with their vaccine lot number, that it had in fact been contaminated, the company/government would not let these parents know what it was contaminated with.

    That’s not surprising at all. There are thousands of people impacted by contaminated heparin in hospitals a few years back and many (likely most) of them never really knew the cause (they were told it was a “heparin allergy” and so forth).
    “Sign this to say you agree to accept the risks..”
    “Can I refuse?”
    “No.”

    That’s an awful story about the triplets, Stephanie. I am so sorry for that family. 😦

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  65. Farm Boy says:

    NEW YORK, NY—Various news outlets reminded the American people Tuesday that they are not their enemy, despite intentionally deceiving the people in order to protect the political elite.

    “We are not the enemy of the people,” said a spokesperson for ABC News, waving his hands in the air as though trying to perform some kind of Jedi mind trick. “Yes, I know it may seem that way when we cover up damaging information to protect the rich and powerful, but trust us when we say we know better than you.”

    https://babylonbee.com/news/we-are-not-the-enemy-of-the-people-says-media-thats-intentionally-deceiving-the-people-to-protect-the-political-elites

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  66. Cheque d'Out says:

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  67. Farm Boy says:

    Project Veritas head James O’Keefe has activated a “deadman switch” before the release of new footage about a cover-up surrounding the death of Jeffrey Epstein, suggesting he has received threats from “very powerful people.”

    https://summit.news/2019/11/05/james-okeefe-activates-deadman-switch-before-release-of-epstein-cover-up-footage/

    [“Suicide Threats” they were?]

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  68. Farm Boy says:

    Sorry, but Robach’s response to the firestorm doesn’t square with her initial comments, in which she states that “Roberts had pictures, she had everything . . . it was unbelievable what we had. [Bill] Clinton, we had everything.”

    “Everything” sure sounds like sufficient corroborating evidence. Even if employing the most scrupulous journalistic standards, a giant news organization wouldn’t need three years to substantiate — or dismiss — a story with pictures, dates, and a credible witness.

    https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/abcs-excuse-for-failing-to-report-on-jeffrey-epstein-makes-absolutely-no-sense/

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  69. Farm Boy says:

    If HBO thinks that you are too woke…

    THE Game of Thrones prequel starring Naomi Watts was axed after HBO decided the [30 million pound] pilot was “too woke”.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/10254771/game-of-thrones-prequel-axed/

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  70. Liz says:

    GoT link:
    “HBO were terrified the first prequel would scare hardcore fans. It was very different to the original series, but was very brave and bold.

    Very brave. Very bold. I shudder to even think what HBO considers “over the top” in the “brave/bold” category. It must’ve been the stinker of all time stinkers.

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  71. Stephanie says:

    “btw…you don’t have a choice anyway to shut up your newborn baby will get his shot now”

    I thought that was some kind of recent thing about the Hep B before you leave the hospital. Either way, we’ve opted out of that twice now with our last two, and will with this one.

    It’s AWESOME that we can at least get that religious exemption… of course legislature can always take that away at some point, but hopefully not for a long time. *fingers crossed*

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  72. Stephanie says:

    Wow, Liz!!! Just read a little of that anti-vaxxer article LOL It’s probably written by women without young kids who are having to go through seeing them get 4-7 shots at one time, etc.

    I used to think anti-vaxxers were all nut-jobs, too, and then we had kids and started experiencing in real life, how ridiculous it is that pediatrician and drug companies push all these – too many, too soon.

    It’s all about the money for them, and you can see it when you start to really experience it first hand.

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  73. Liz says:

    I thought that was some kind of recent thing about the Hep B before you leave the hospital. Either way, we’ve opted out of that twice now with our last two, and will with this one.

    They did them in the 90s (at least, for military newborn babies). Those contained thimerosal. I’m glad you can opt out of those.
    Some vaccines are probably more important. Hep B I’d get eventually, if they work with blood or something like that. Not while they are so small, there’s just no point. If your babies did okay with the vaccines they’ve had, it’s very likely your next son will too.
    These things seem to be hereditary. It’s still good to be cautious.

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  74. Stephanie says:

    Welp… she has kids… hopefully it all works out for them.

    Love your comments over there – well thought out and logical compared to her ranty-bitch-rant LOL

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  75. Stephanie says:

    Farm Boy, I did read the post last night, but I had wanted to wait to see what the other ladies said. As far as women wanting to be part of a herd, it makes sense when you think of raising children and how much better it is to have a, “village,” environment with your parents, in-laws, and extended family around to all be there in a supportive role. Makes sense historically when it was even more necessary.

    BUT when you’re an anti-feminist female, you really don’t have much of a herd anymore. Your herd is like your husband and children (and maybe extended family if you’re lucky). I think I’m really lucky to have found a group of large families where they are like-minded for the most part… that’s not available everywhere though, so women who are anti-feminist are doing so even though it causes them to lose friendships, relatives even, and causes them to be somewhat of a loner.

    I think Liz, Bloom, and Ame have all had that experience… but I was waiting to see what they’d say 🙂

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  76. Liz says:

    Heh, thanks Stephanie. Thought it best to bow out. Sadly and ironically, I’m pretty sure I agree with 99 percent of her other (political) opinions. But I don’t think I’ll post again over there. 😆

    Gotta love Snopes, proof through dis-proof. Subject is the Amish and autism. Anti-vaxxers claim they don’t get it. They say the claim is: false.
    Their first “proof”:
    A 2011 study published in the journal Pediatrics surveyed 1,000 Amish parents about their vaccination habits. Of the 359 people who responded:
    68% stated that all of their children had received at least 1 immunization, and 17% reported that some of their children had received at least 1 immunization.

    That’s….basically saying they don’t get vaccinated. Not by comparison to the rest of the population….not by a long shot.
    Next:
    Furthermore, researchers have documented many cases of autism amongst the Amish populations. Researchers from the University of Miami and Vanderbilt University interviewed 1,899 Amish children from two prominent Amish communities in Holmes County, Ohio and Elkhart-Lagrange County, Indiana.

    Okay, this is getting interesting….maybe there is no correlation? Goes on to state, from the study:

    Preliminary data have identified the presence of ASD in the Amish community at a rate of approximately 1 in 271 children using standard ASD screening and diagnostic tools although some modifications may be in order. Further studies are underway to address the cultural norms and customs that may be playing a role in the reporting style of caregivers, as observed by the ADI. Accurate determination of the ASD phenotype in the Amish is a first step in the design of genetic studies of ASD in this population.

    Okay, there might be “cultural norms” and so forth, but using the diagnostic measures used by the rest of the population at large, the above is a pretty stark contrast to the rest of the population (1 in 59 children).

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  77. Farm Boy says:

    BUT when you’re an anti-feminist female, you really don’t have much of a herd anymore. Your herd is like your husband and children

    Maybe that is all you need

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  78. Stephanie says:

    “the above is a pretty stark contrast to the rest of the population (1 in 59 children)”

    Wow, I’m so out of knowing all the stats anymore… somehow I thought it was a lot less than those numbers. It does seem like we know so many more families now that have autistic children… and not like just a little bit autistic… I mean fairly severe, they’re not going to be able to live a normal life as an adult- kind of autism. 😦

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  79. Stephanie says:

    “Maybe that is all you need”

    ^Yes. I believe Sunshine Mary used to say that. It makes sense… because in reality, we don’t have a real herd anymore unless you can find some kind of community that is a lot more conservative than normal. And even in those groups, there will be a few feminists who really enjoy shaking things up. We have a couple of those in the large family group, and the other ladies seem to like the, “excitement,” they bring lol…. They’re in no fear of being kicked out of the group.

    Meanwhile I’m over there like… “If I say what I really think, will they still talk to me next time?” 😀

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  80. Farm Boy says:

    A prominent abortionist who argued before the Supreme Court twice once kept on his desk a placard reading, “Even on my worst days, I’M KILLING IT.”

    https://pjmedia.com/trending/even-on-my-worst-days-im-killing-it-prominent-abortionists-plaque-reads/

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  81. Farm Boy says:

    PORTLAND, OR—Local socialist millennial man Matthew Hatter lamented Monday that there are no concrete examples of socialism he can point to in order to have some kind of idea how it would turn out.

    “If only there were other countries that have tried socialism before,” Hatter said to a friend at an ethical coffee shop, Commiebrews, Monday afternoon, after he finished his paper route. “Then, we could see if there are any pitfalls.”

    https://babylonbee.com/news/millennial-wishes-there-were-previous-examples-of-socialism-we-could-look-at-to-have-some-idea-how-it-might-turn-out

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  82. Ame says:

    OP –
    Being a slut in a group that does not condone sluttiness can lead to being thrown out of the group, a real horror. In reality, it is not so much a horror in the modern age, but the deep down reaction is still there.

    Avoiding this reaction is significant driving force in women always pushing for new behaviors being sanctified by the group (and law). Since I am not a woman, I don’t know how bad the reaction is to being a loner outside the group; perhaps the ladies will chime in here.

    As a fella, I learned that groups come and go, but principles and abilities are always. In other words, it is not necessarily to be a lone wolf, engaging and disengaging when needed. Would such a way of life be horrifying to women? Ladies, please let us all know.

    haven’t read the comments re all this yet …

    i think this is so out of control that it’s bigger than all of this. what will it take for women to get back in line? idk. my girls do fear my disapproval more than anything. but they also respect me more than anyone or anything, and katy-bar-the-doors on anyone who tries to hurt their Mama or speak bad about her! my girls will take you on!

    i’ve always been what has been labeled out here as an ‘outlier,’ so i’ve not been a herd-follower by nature. i think a lot of that is b/c i’m more introverted. i also don’t like the idea of being labeled something that doesn’t apply to me – i’m VERY careful who/what i associate with b/c i know that it will define who i am to others.

    you’ve got dual career homes … kids growing up in day care even in two-parent families. kids miss a LOT of learning and instruction from Mom and Dad in daycare.

    and now … there’s this whole, “Be yourself!” movement … which creates its own herd. idk. it’s just crazy. there’s no foundation. no absolute truth anymore. anything goes.

    there’s more that divides us, it seems, than unites us. even the whole working mom vs sahm is huge. my sister is crazy successful as a teacher but intensely passive-aggressively mean to me b/c i’ve been a sahm all these years.

    and moms compete with their kids big time … causing them to force their kids into things and more things and things and all the things.

    it’s crazy.

    you just have to shut your door and close out the world and refocus on what is Truth and what is lie and make decisions based on that for your own family.

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  83. Ame says:

    Farm Boy
    22h ago
    ABC’s “The View” co-host Joy Behar suggested on Monday that Democrats should wait until they are elected into public office before they reveal to the American people their true political intentions.

    “They should not tell everything they’re going to do,” Behar said. “Like if you are going to take people’s guns away, wait until you get elected and then take the guns away. Don’t tell them ahead of time.”

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/joy-behar-suggests-that-democrats-shouldnt-warn-americans-ahead-of-time-before-taking-their-guns

    so … lie. just flat out lie.

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  84. Ame says:

    Kentucky Headhunter
    Farm Boy
    18h ago
    Here’s my attempt: “Diversity is our strength because reasons. Or it is raisins? It could be raisins. Yep, Google says raisins. Diversity is our strength because raisins!”

    LOVE! lol!

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  85. Ame says:

    Farm Boy
    18h ago
    President Trump, once the popular reality TV host of The Apprentice and a favorite of celebrity shows and gossip columns, has become the No. 1 target of death threats, according to the U.S. Secret Service.

    His son, Donald Trump Jr., is No. 2 on the list

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/secret-service-president-trump-son-don-jr-no-1-no-2-highest-death-threats

    whoa.

    guess this shouldn’t be a surprise with how many certifiable anti-tr’s there are out there. but sheesh.

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  86. Ame says:

    the vaccine thing is CRAZY … wanna find out who your friends are? post on facebook that you are either for or against, and you’ll find out really fast.

    i still can’t figure out how not vaccinating your kids puts vaccinated kids in danger – makes absolutely no sense to me.

    to my knowledge, i haven’t seen an objective pro-vaccine argument/study (that isn’t funded in some way by big pharma and those making money off it).

    those who know a lot about this stuff won’t let anyone vaccinate their kids.

    i’ve seen before and after pics of kids who had terrible reactions to vaccines, and it’s absolutely tragic. those kids are ruined for life.

    drugging little babies with multiple vaccines at once is criminal.

    not disclosing every ingredient shows they’re hiding something.

    idk why it’s such a big deal to let every parent choose … but, you know … big pharma. amazing how leaking little bits of semi-false info here and there creates huge panic.

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  87. Ame says:

    Liz
    14h ago
    Back when we lived in South Korea (think it was then) Mike was forced to get a bunch of anthrax “immunizations” (in parenthesis because they knew these would be completely ineffective in the event of a weaponized anthrax attack). A few injections into the series, they ran out, so they started the series over. Then they ran out again…we left before they could restart the series. God forbid anyone object to the potential poison they were putting in….well, object but shut up and hold your arm out, soldier! All “vaccines” are good! Repeat after me….
    “ALL vaccines MUST be good!”
    During the testing phase of the F22, Mike looked down into his mask as he was about to put it on his face. There was a bubbling fluid. He asked what it was and they said, “antifreeze…but don’t worry, this antifreeze is safe for you”
    Yeah.

    crazy and criminal.

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  88. Ame says:

    Farm Boy
    5h ago
    BUT when you’re an anti-feminist female, you really don’t have much of a herd anymore. Your herd is like your husband and children

    Maybe that is all you need

    actually, FB, women are created to need each other in some form. i think that having the internet and being able to communicate with like-minded women is awesome in this world.

    even introverted women need other women. it’s just how we’re hard-wired.

    when they’re no good ones around, we become isolated, and that’s not good or fun.

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  89. RichardP says:

    I have a younger sister who keeps posting anti-vaxx stuff to her Facebook page. Through that, I have been exposed to the arguments both pro and con. I understand well that it is difficult to have a civil conversation about vaccination on the internet.

    With that said, I watched Stephanie’s video all the way through. I would like to point out, for the record, that those triplets were in all likelihood not damaged by the vaccination. They were more than likely damaged by whatever that contamination was that was in the vaccination (without that contamination the children would maybe have stayed normal?). And by the fact that the contamination was injected into the blood stream rather than being passed through the stomach. Things that get into the bloodstream by first going into the stomach follow a pathway that is different from the things that are injected directly into the blood stream. That makes it possible that the very same vaccine, if ingested into the stomach rather than shot into the body, would not have damaged the children

    Other things to note is that these triplets may have been a product of in-vitro fertilization or some other fertility procedure. The children were born prematurely. And mom took them to a public clinic because she did not have insurance that covered the shots. The shots were cheaper at the clinic. Any one or more of these three instances could have introduced issues into the triplets that made them more succeptible to bad effects of the contamination or the other materials in the vaccine itself.

    I’m sure the ladies know that the clothing and other merchandise in the cheap stores is not of the same quality in materials or craftsmanship as that found in the more expensive stores, in general. In the same general sense, the medicines prepared for shots given in doctors’ offices and hosptials, etc., vary in quality for a given medicine – depending on the manufacturer. Logic suggests that one is more likely to run into problems with the cheaper and more cheaply produced stuff in the public clinics than one will with the more expensive and more carefully produced stuff in the pricier, more upscale, doctors offices. It would be interesting to know if this contaminated vaccine was found in the more pricey doctor’s offices with the more upscale clientele.

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  92. Cheque d'Out says:

    LMAO Best I’ve seen today

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  93. Larry G says:

    Following any herd blindly can lead to unintended consequences….ladies, the cliff draws neigh

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  94. I’m shocked, SHOCKED to learn that this woman(?),

    …was running a show that was too woke even for HBO after they’d already spent ~ $40 million on producing it. Doesn’t anyone read the effing scripts before they start writing the checks anymore?

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  95. Liz says:

    Wow, I’m so out of knowing all the stats anymore… somehow I thought it was a lot less than those numbers.
    For boys it is higher (something like 1 in 37), girls lower (1 in 151).

    It does seem like we know so many more families now that have autistic children… and not like just a little bit autistic… I mean fairly severe, they’re not going to be able to live a normal life as an adult- kind of autism

    I’m sure the figures are for all among the spectrum. One of the arguments (which you’ve probably heard, or read on that thread at Victory Girls) is that they didn’t diagnose the same in the past. I can believe that’s true up to a point but it doesn’t really explain why these statistics have continue to climb at basically the same rate after those diagnostic measures started. The numbers are seriously high. I can even believe some parents (mentioned on that thread) try to use their children as a cash cow and can benefit from the “autism” label. But that doesn’t explain why many (most, if I remember correctly) diagnosed autistic children are in the upper income categories, not lower. It might be environmental, it might be a combination of things (this is my suspicion). Like I said over there, anecdotes aren’t evidence but when there are literally tens of thousands such anecdotes it would seem worth a looksy considering the high cost to society.

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  96. Liz says:

    I’m always reminded of oral contraception (given to me as a teen, to “regulate my periods”). That stuff seriously messed me up, and I was assured it was all in my mind. The studies all indicated there was nothing to see there….Worst are the depo shots (I never myself received). Same deal…funny, no one would dare tell a woman she is hysterical for a stupid political opinion, but if you claim taking a bunch of hormones is having an adverse impact on your boy, “Oh, it must be in your mind you hysterical woman…”

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  98. Cheque d'Out says:

    A couple of weeks ago this guy, Steve Baker, was a hardcore Leaver Tory MP. Highly principled. WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED?

    Incredible change in tone and attitude. I seriously suspect that some hard core dark shit is going on

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  99. Liz says:

    i still can’t figure out how not vaccinating your kids puts vaccinated kids in danger – makes absolutely no sense to me.

    The argument (I’m sure you’ve heard) is herd immunity. For example, at that outbreak of measles at Disney (or somewhere)…some of the victims had been immunized. I understand the argument but I don’t understand the level of vitriol, or why they’ve started calling measles and chickenpox “deadly diseases”. Statistical deaths for measles worldwide are higher due to malnutrition and other factors (like sanitation).

    When measles were ubiquitous here (I’ll just post a link, note this is not a Wakefield piece it is a pro-vaccination piece. I don’t cite anti-vaccination studies…there’s no point, even if they are accurate they are dismissed)
    https://2020science.org/2015/02/03/risk-dying-catch-measles/

    there were an average of 450 measles-related deaths reported each year in the US, or approximately 1 death per 1000 reported cases.  At the time though, it was estimated that more than 90% of Americans had been infected by measles by the age of 15 – equivalent to roughly 4 million children and teens per year. (Langmuir, A.D. (1962), Medical Importance of Measles. Am J Dis Child 103(3):224-226.)
    These data suggest that the chances of dying from measles in the US in the late 1950’s was probably closer to 1 in 10,000.
    Accounting for non-reported cases that led to death, and some uncertainty in the numbers, the mortality rate is realistically likely to be around one in a few thousand.  But based on the data, it’s not likely to be as high the one or two deaths per 1,000 that’s being widely cited.

    I don’t think I’m sticking my neck out very far to say medical science is probably better now than 1950s. If 9,999 out of 10000 survived then we’re probably better off now. And chickenpox is even less “lethal”.
    I am a fan of the Rubella vaccine (for women) because rubella causes birth defects.
    I’m obviously glad we had the polio vaccine but here is another case….and then I’ll stop posting about this issue, I know it’s becoming logorrheic.
    When you hear about the world rise of polio one usually thinks of those poor folks in third world countries who can’t get immunized. That’s kind of the stereotypical pattern, but looky here:
    https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2019/07/surging-cases-have-dashed-all-hope-polio-might-be-eradicated-2019
    In Africa, the wild polio virus appears to be gone, but the vaccine-derived viruses circulating there are just as dangerous. These strains arise when the weakened live virus used in the oral polio vaccine (OPV) mutates and regains its virulence. In rare instances, where a population’s immunity is low, they can spread just like the wild virus. Last year, vaccine-derived viruses paralyzed 105 children worldwide; the wild virus just 33.

    To prevent outbreaks of vaccine-derived virus, WHO has declared that once the wild virus is gone, countries must stop all use of OPV. As a first step, in April 2016 all countries switched from the trivalent version of OPV—which covers all three types of polio virus—to a bivalent one, which lacks the type 2 component. (Wild type 2 virus is the only one that has been eradicated.)

    The program’s scientific advisers knew some vaccine-derived type 2 virus would linger in the first few years after the switch, sparking outbreaks. But modeling suggested the program could quickly squelch them—without starting new ones—with the judicious use of a new live vaccine, monovalent OPV2 (mOPV2), which is effective against only type 2. It’s akin to fighting fire with fire; the gamble was that mOPV2 would not spawn new outbreaks of its own. (An alternative exists, the killed or inactivated polio vaccine, which can’t revert but simply isn’t powerful enough to quash an outbreak.)

    I’m not anti-vaxx. I’m definitely not anti-polio vaxx. But why in the hell can’t people just be honest about this stuff? No one can even discuss it without being labeled a wack job (and in the case of the thread over there…”your children should be taken away! You should be imprisoned!” good Lord)

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  100. Liz says:

    I’m sure the ladies know that the clothing and other merchandise in the cheap stores is not of the same quality in materials or craftsmanship as that found in the more expensive stores, in general. In the same general sense, the medicines prepared for shots given in doctors’ offices and hosptials, etc., vary in quality for a given medicine – depending on the manufacturer.

    I really, really doubt they use different (substandard) products at the public health clinics versus hospitals/private doctor offices, Richard. The heparin contamination, for example, was pretty ubiquitous…it hit the dialysis patients hardest because they use heparin routinely, but there didn’t seem to be a disparity between the haves/have nots and who go the contaminated samples.

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  101. BuenaVista says:

    One of my Twitter friends is a retired naval aviator (rotary wing) — and present day pediatrician and med school instructor (U. Chicago, I think). So not a lightweight. He goes mental when confronted with anti-vaccine sentiment. I have followed this because it doesn’t affect me. I did have measles as a child. Maybe it did permanent damage!

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  102. Liz says:

    Per drugs and prices (since Richard kind of indirectly brought it up). This blogger (a liberal doctor, but he sees is problem clearly) had a thread on it a while back.

    https://slatestarcodex.com/2016/08/29/reverse-voxsplaining-drugs-vs-chairs/
    Imagine that the government creates the Furniture and Desk Association, an agency which declares that only IKEA is allowed to sell chairs. IKEA responds by charging $300 per chair. Other companies try to sell stools or sofas, but get bogged down for years in litigation over whether these technically count as “chairs”. When a few of them win their court cases, the FDA shoots them down anyway for vague reasons it refuses to share, or because they haven’t done studies showing that their chairs will not break, or because the studies that showed their chairs will not break didn’t include a high enough number of morbidly obese people so we can’t be sure they won’t break.

    Finally, Target spends tens of millions of dollars on lawyers and gets the okay to compete with IKEA, but people can only get Target chairs if they have a note signed by a professional interior designer saying that their room needs a “comfort-producing seating implement” and which absolutely definitely does not mention “chairs” anywhere, because otherwise a child who was used to sitting on IKEA chairs might sit down on a Target chair the wrong way, get confused, fall off, and break her head.

    (You’re going to say this is an unfair comparison because drugs are potentially dangerous and chairs aren’t – but 50 people die each year from falling off chairs in Britain alone and as far as I know nobody has ever died from an EpiPen malfunction.)

    Imagine that this whole system is going on at the same time that IKEA spends millions of dollars lobbying senators about chair-related issues, and that these same senators vote down a bill preventing IKEA from paying off other companies to stay out of the chair industry. Also, suppose that a bunch of people are dying each year of exhaustion from having to stand up all the time because chairs are too expensive unless you’ve got really good furniture insurance, which is totally a thing and which everybody is legally required to have.

    And now imagine that a news site responds with an article saying the government doesn’t regulate chairs enough.

    In summary, I really doubt there’s a thriving “public chair market” for the dregs that might be…substandard with all this overhead.

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  103. Farm Boy says:

    The mainstream media (news and entertainment) in this country have spent the past three years caterwauling about President Trump’s treatment of them. They bristle at the merest suggestion that they have been derelict in their duty.

    In their telling of the story, they are brave souls, the lone purveyors of truth, and the only things standing between ORANGE MAN BAD and the utter demise of the Republic.

    In reality it turns out that they’re just a bunch of depraved sexual predator and pervert protectors.

    https://pjmedia.com/trending/the-morning-briefing-inside-the-mainstream-medias-sexual-predator-protection-racket/

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  104. Farm Boy says:

    He is right on that

    Former Vice President Joe Biden fired back at Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren on Tuesday, accusing her of representing an “elitism” out of touch with the working class

    https://dailycaller.com/2019/11/05/biden-warren-angry-primary-2020/

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  105. Farm Boy says:

    President Xi will be invulnerable in the game, of course, and will have overpowered abilities, such as the “Secret Police” ability, which lets him immediately arrest all the other players, detain them indefinitely, and execute them if desired. He will also have the “Puppet String” ability where he can make other players do whatever he wants by dangling cash in front of them.

    https://babylonbee.com/news/blizzard-adds-president-xi-to-overwatch-roster

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  106. You would think that with this Epstein stuff and the CNN recordings about only covering impeachment 24/7, most people would be the idea that the “media” is full of shit. That is, if they were paying any attention at all.

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  107. ABC reporter has dirt on Epstein of a criminal nature (pedophilia and possible sex slavery), but does not give this material to the police because, why? Is this not a crime in itself?

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  108. RichardP says:

    @Liz said: Per drugs and prices (since Richard kind of indirectly brought it up).

    I’m just fleshing the conversation out with some relevant points. I’m not arguing for any position other than common sense.

    Re. the issue of price: there are various manufacturers of the different vaccines. Doctors talk among themselves as to which producers consistently come up with a trustworthy product – one that seems to work as intended. Just as some businesses cut corners in their manufacturing processes, so it would make sense to think that some vaccine manufacturers would cut corners in order to decrease costs. Even if that cutting corners is only limited to their quality control process. A contaminent is less likely to get into a vaccine that has a very rigorous (and costly) quality control process.

    Some Flu Vaccine Producers

    But – there is another issue regarding contaminents: From the CDC website:

    Thimerosal is an ethyl mercury-based preservative used in vials that contain more than one dose of a vaccine (multi-dose vials) to prevent germs, bacteria and/or fungi from contaminating the vaccine.

    One can get a preservative-free vaccination only from a single-use vial – because single use means that, once the seal is broken, all of the vaccine will be used at once – so no need for preservative. These vials .are more expensive than the multi-use vials, primarily because of the preservative. Public clinics are not likely to carry many single-use vials, because of their increased costs. Which means they will be using multi-use vials. Which introduces another point where the contaminant can get into the patient. If the manufacturer did not place enough preservative into the batch of vaccine (intentionally, or through poor and less costly quality control), then germs, bacteria and/or fungi might be able to establish a foothold in the vials that contain the vaccine with not enough preservative in it. If the shot-giver does not re-use needles, I don’t know how germs, bacteria, or fungi can get into the vial, but the proponents of the preservative argue (I assume with data) that it can happen. But consider a vaccine given by a provider who needs to keep costs as low as possible (public clinics, etc). If they reuse a needle, even once, they can transmit to the current receiver of the vaccine germs, bacteria, and/or fungi picked up from the poke to the previous receiver of the vaccine.

    Point being – it is possible (hopefully with low probability) that injury to the body can be introduced at the point of vaccination, either directly to the patient through a needle that is being re-used, or through a multi-use vaccine vial where the vaccine inside has been contaminated by the office that is using it, whether through too-low preservative content or other factors. The person who is injured at the point of the vaccine cannot know these “facts”. All they know is that the injury happened when they were vaccinated, and so they blame the vaccine.

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  109. Liz says:

    Well, maybe there is something to the cheaper medication aspect. If that’s the case though, it wouldn’t be limited to public health clinics it would apply to other government health clinics (veterans, military, ect). Also likely nursing homes (our flu shots were taken from a vial there, I also gave hundreds of flu shots at a public health clinic years back). Probably also those flu shot clinics at drug stores, et al.
    I can’t imagine anyone would reuse a needle, even by accident. Needles and packaging are made with safeguards so it seems impossible to re use them. It would have to be deliberate.
    In the old days (way old days), yes. But I can’t see that happening now.

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  110. Liz says:

    😆

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  115. RichardP says:

    I can’t imagine anyone would reuse a needle, even by accident.

    I hope that is true. But we are still left with the argument that multi-dose vials need a preservative to prevent germs, bacteria and/or fungi from contaminating the vaccine. How do those things get into the vial that the vaccine should need to be protected from them (rhetorical)? If the vial was not properly sealed so that contaminants could get in, I would think the vaccine would also leak out, thereby serving notice that something was wrong with the vial and it should not be used. There would be no such notice if someone was re-using a needle.

    I’m done. Just wanted to point out that the contamination in Stephanie’s video could have gotten into the vaccine vials somewhere other than the factory.

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  116. Liz says:

    I’m done. Just wanted to point out that the contamination in Stephanie’s video could have gotten into the vaccine vials somewhere other than the factory.

    Fair enough, I concede that could be true. I’m more curious about the widespread trend than specific extreme outlier cases, as horrible as those cases might be.
    It would be helpful if we had a control group for comparison.

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  118. Liz says:

    Professor Doom dissects Vaxxed (he is a mathematics professor, not a healthcare provider…but he does have a very sound knowledge of research, and analyzing data and statistics
    https://professorconfess.blogspot.com/2018/04/why-vaccine-studies-cannot-show-link-to_24.html

    And now I too am done.
    Thanks for your patience, Spawny.

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  119. Liz says:

    Just want to quote a bit of the above link (yes, then done):
    I say this again: vaccine safety studies don’t use a control group. Even if Vaxxed had shown a 9,000% increase in black males getting autism after vaccination, even if Vaxxed showed the evidence that 99% of people vaccinated got autism, this could still be fairly described as “not evidence of anything,” and the vaccine companies could testify in Congress to that effect and have no fear of being prosecuted for perjury. This may seem ridiculous, but allow me some time to explain and tie together the concepts by which this non-evidence result holds.

    The gentle reader must understand that any proposed medical treatment must have a control, or else the treatment must be viewed with great suspicion. I demonstrate with an example:

    I propose the following: “People will recover from the flu in 2 weeks if we cut off their pinky fingers.” All I need to get this finger-amputation treatment approved is a study showing it works.

    The study I use is simple enough: I find people with the flu, cut off their fingers and come back in 2 weeks. I find that, yes, every single one of them has recovered from the flu.

    My study, I trust the reader will agree, is easily reproducible (note: this makes it far superior to many, if not most, medical studies being published). So, I pay the appropriate bribes fees to get the FDA to approve this treatment, backed by this study. And I start making a fortune lopping off fingers with my FDA-approved treatment for the flu.

    Now, tens of thousands of people will tell me my treatment is worthless, but that’s just anecdotal evidence. Besides, the FDA repeats the study a few times and shows my treatment works exactly as I’ve said. (I emphasize: tens of thousands of parents are now saying their kids developed autism immediately after getting vaccinated, and this is treated as purely anecdotal evidence of no relevance, because of studies…)

    The problem with my study, of course, is there’s no control group. Most everyone recovers from the flu in 2 weeks, after all, lopping off fingers means nothing. But since there’s no control, since I don’t look at what happens to people with the flu who don’t have their fingers chopped off, I don’t have that evidence in my study.

    So Vaxxed’s harping on their correlation between black male vaccinations and autism is completely meaningless. For all I know, all black males, all of them, come down with autism at the age where they usually get vaccinated, and the autism rates would be worse without the vaccination. I’m not saying I believe this to be the case, but since there’s no control…it could be vaccinations are preventing autism, because there’s no study to tell me the “baseline” autism rate today is. This illustrates how idiotic it is not to have controls.

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  120. Cheque d'Out says:

    No patience required. I’m happy for people to debate whatever they want, in a civilised manner. If I had young kids I’d be looking at the issues with interest too. Very high stakes test of faith in the medical industry.

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  121. Ame says:

    always so good to see Larry!!! 🙂 🙂 🙂

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  122. Ame says:

    But that doesn’t explain why many (most, if I remember correctly) diagnosed autistic children are in the upper income categories, not lower. It might be environmental, it might be a combination of things (this is my suspicion). Like I said over there, anecdotes aren’t evidence but when there are literally tens of thousands such anecdotes it would seem worth a looksy considering the high cost to society.

    i don’t think it’s a stretch to assume that thinking, rational, adults would want to question what is injected into their children. ingredients matter – if they did not matter, most ad’s for ingestable products of all kinds wouldn’t exist … i mean, why would we care if the foods or vitamins are nutritious and helpful?

    anytime something is hidden, it’s worth looking into. why do they not readily disclose all the ingredients in vaccinations? also … who is making money off of them? that’s always a question worth answering.

    and the intense increase in the number of vaccinations they give kids these days, and at earlier ages, and in multiple combinations … it’s crazy insane. someone’s making a boat-load of money off of all this.

    and the fear factor is huge … propaganda anyone?!

    given all that, Liz’s comment is valid, imo: It might be environmental, it might be a combination of things (this is my suspicion).

    a counselor brought to my attention recently that Fetal Stress is a huge issue. ( https://www.webmd.com/baby/features/fetal-stress#1) is Fetal Stress more of an issue in high income, dual career homes? idk.

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  123. Ame says:

    Liz
    10h ago
    I’m always reminded of oral contraception (given to me as a teen, to “regulate my periods”). That stuff seriously messed me up, and I was assured it was all in my mind. The studies all indicated there was nothing to see there….Worst are the depo shots (I never myself received). Same deal…funny, no one would dare tell a woman she is hysterical for a stupid political opinion, but if you claim taking a bunch of hormones is having an adverse impact on your boy, “Oh, it must be in your mind you hysterical woman…”

    i took a low-dose pill the first two years i was married the first time, and it made me super ill. no telling all the side effects i didn’t even consider at the time b/c i had no idea about them.

    it’s shocking to me that the pill is still given out to teenagers to ‘regulate their periods,’ and the parents think this is okay.

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  124. Ame says:

    I’m not anti-vaxx. I’m definitely not anti-polio vaxx. But why in the hell can’t people just be honest about this stuff? No one can even discuss it without being labeled a wack job (and in the case of the thread over there…”your children should be taken away! You should be imprisoned!” good Lord)

    that’s what’s so befuddling … there is no rational discussion … there is no clear discussion of the facts … the facts aren’t even presented (or always known) … and to claim children should be taken away and parents imprisoned? it sounds like the biggest propaganda success story ever. vaccinations are more divisive than christianity!

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  125. Farm Boy says:

    James Younger, the 7-year-old at the center of the transgender custody battle, has decided to attend school as a boy.

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/7-year-old-at-center-of-transgender-custody-battle-opts-to-attend-school-as-a-boy

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  126. Ame says:

    BuenaVista
    9h ago
    I have followed this because it doesn’t affect me. I did have measles as a child. Maybe it did permanent damage!

    i imagine you might feel it affects you more when you have grandchildren on the way 😉

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  127. Ame says:

    Kentucky Headhunter
    Farm Boy
    8h ago
    You would think that with this Epstein stuff and the CNN recordings about only covering impeachment 24/7, most people would be the idea that the “media” is full of shit. That is, if they were paying any attention at all.

    KH *assuming* people pay attention AND that they objectively think about information given to them 😉 lol! 🙂

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  128. Farm Boy says:

    Big Tech is on the woke wagon and you are going to conform. If you have a family with a mom and a dad and a gender-specific kid, you can forget about your emoji representation. You will assimilate.

    https://pjmedia.com/trending/big-tech-wages-war-on-gender-differences-by-making-everyone-look-like-melissa-ethridge/

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  129. RichardP says:

    It would be helpful if we had a control group for comparison

    In the case of the couple with triplets in Stephanie’s video we sort of do. I’m pretty sure that vaccines are tracked by lot number, and those lot numbers are tracked by who they are sold to. If that is true, then the contaminated vaccine lot that the triplets received can be tracked to see who else it was sold to. I said at the beginning that it would be interesting to see if any of that contaminated lot was sold to upscale doctors who have upscale clientele. That data wouldn’t necessarily prove anything, but it would be one data point among many that the general public is not allowed to have.

    In Stephanie’s specific case, I think the contamination probably was introduced at the factory, even if it was just an insufficient amount of the preservative that was added – because kids at other locations were also affected. Wonder if the other kids affected received their vaccines at downscale locations also – that is, somewhere other than a doctor’s office. That data is there. I doubt they will let “unauthorized” people look at it.

    And – a final point. I provided a link in a previous thread that showed which company distributes which flu vaccine (as an example). It is probably the case that at least some, if not all, of those companies subcontract out at least part of the manufacturing / bottling process for their vaccines. So, one of those companies listed could be honest as the day is long, but have one or more of their subcontractors be cutting corners wherever they can. Which highlights a major problem of the modern world – when we ate strictly from our own garden, we could pretty much control what got ingested into our bodies. Not so much these days. And that is a problem for the unfortunate few – from contaminated vaccines to e-coli infections.

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  130. Ame says:

    Liz – Needles and packaging are made with safeguards so it seems impossible to re use them. It would have to be deliberate.
    In the old days (way old days), yes. But I can’t see that happening now.

    i wonder if this will become an issue with all the immigrant camps, etc. people from other countries do not have the same sanitation standards.

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  131. Ame says:

    even bigger than autism, i think, are these issues with vaccinations:

    1. full disclosure of all ingredients … if there is nothing to hide, why is so much hidden.
    2. who is profiting … the bottom line is always the story.
    3. who is behind the propaganda … the extreme fear and hate and control are out of proportion.

    if the gov’t can get the people to blindly accept injections as ‘beneficial’ to them, what is to stop them from using this kind of blanket ‘trust’ to harm when it suits their purposes?

    checks and balances are necessary.

    as they say … don’t give good people the opportunity to do bad, or something like that.

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  132. Farm Boy says:

    What ABC News executives do know is that the former employee is now working at CBS News. I’m told that ABC News executives have informed their counterparts at CBS News that this person accessed the footage of Robach. It’s unclear if CBS News plans on taking any action against the employee.

    Or to put it another way, “Funny this comes at a time we are discussing whistleblower protection. Who wants to bet the MSM will be consistent here? Me neither.”

    https://pjmedia.com/eddriscoll/abc-airbrushes-jeffrey-epstein/

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  133. Stephanie says:

    “the vaccine thing is CRAZY … wanna find out who your friends are? post on facebook that you are either for or against, and you’ll find out really fast.”

    See, I don’t understand why more people can’t be like, “Do what your family feels comfortable with.” Hardly any people refuse *all* vaccines for their kids – some do though, and maybe they’re the loudest?

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  134. Stephanie says:

    “when they’re no good ones around, we become isolated, and that’s not good or fun.”

    Well, we could always just start up conversations with a wall. Probably would be one-sided though LOL 😀

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  135. Stephanie says:

    “In the same general sense, the medicines prepared for shots given in doctors’ offices and hospitals, etc., vary in quality for a given medicine – depending on the manufacturer.”

    ^I used to work developing vaccines in a laboratory, testing and improving them well before they’d go to human studies, and to me, that just doesn’t make sense. Vaccine development is usually made at the highest quality by the time it reaches humans, although corrupt people sometimes try to manipulate study results, and I saw that firsthand when I was working. I think it’s very rare though for that to happen. Drug/vaccine companies pay so much money to have these made, I remember we had one deal that was 18 million (for just one shot). It’s strange to me that whatever was able to contaminate that lot got through. It should be a highly controlled process, but obviously something is going wrong in certain situations.

    Your other points do make sense, even in vitro has a lot of steps that could have negatively harmed the growing babies’ ability to develop a normal immune system due to the eggs possibly being frozen and for how long of time, etc. lots of weird chemical things affecting them to make the pregnancy, “take,” and so on.

    One possible reason they were cheaper at the clinic she went to, could have been because it was one of those places where the government chooses to subsidize vaccines (they DO do this). So that could have been the reason, as opposed to it being made with lower quality.

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  136. Stephanie says:

    Liz, I remember studying in depth about the birth control pill during my undergrad, and with an amazing professor who became my mentor (and eventually the Dean of the College of Sciences) ❤ . At some point when I was studying about it's effects on the human female body, I came to a hypothesis that it could, theoretically, cause breast cancer.

    I was also taking a course on cancer at the time, that had a dual course at the medical health science center. So I was pretty sure my hypothesis was right. I went to her and presented what I'd found, and how it could cause cancer, and she almost went into a state shock and denial (poor lady LOL). She vehemently told me that wasn't able to happen and that I shouldn't ever worry about that.

    Now years later, we KNOW it causes breast cancer. We know in fact, that women who are on the pill have a 20-30% higher risk than women who have never used it.

    And … it's due to the same reasons I realized when I was studying it back in undergrad before people knew.

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  137. Stephanie says:

    “If that is true, then the contaminated vaccine lot that the triplets received can be tracked to see who else it was sold to. I said at the beginning that it would be interesting to see if any of that contaminated lot was sold to upscale doctors who have upscale clientele.”

    Richard, I really think it probably was. The video mentioned several babies had adverse reactions to that lot of vaccine, as well as one two year old dying right after. Those were all in different settings probably (just guessing statistically).

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  138. Stephanie says:

    One thing that’s really odd is how much data they *do* have on the HPV vaccine… that it can and has seriously injured a multitude of kids and teens.

    And yet they still push it without even warning ignorant parents about the literal thousands that have been adversely affected worldwide.

    I was looking up which ones our 4 yr old boy would be up for this December, trying to figure out what to do, and saw for Texas, on the official medical/vaccine websites, they are suggesting that HPV one to even be done as young as 9 years old (!!). And this is a shot that used to be thought of as a virus only promiscuous women got. They want 9 yr olds to get it.

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  139. Ame says:

    that kind of stuff incenses me, Stephanie. and … i wonder if people hadn’t risen up and protested against it if it would now be required without special exemption. grrr.

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  140. RichardP says:

    At some point when I was studying about it’s effects on the human female body, I came to a hypothesis that it could, theoretically, cause breast cancer. … She vehemently told me that wasn’t able to happen and that I shouldn’t ever worry about that.

    Why am I not surprised – at your find and at her response. File under ‘the Politics of Everything”. A really good professor would have immediately recognized a teaching opportunity for her and a learning opportunity for you if she had said go and develop your hunch and document the sources that make you think you are more right than wrong.”

    You might enjoy reading through the article at the following link. Fit your reading in in bits and pieces whenever you can. Particularly Section 2: Big Science, Trust, and Authority. They origionally had some nice turns of phrase in that Section but the most recent revision of the article rephrased things. In the process, the sharpness has given way to muddied waters – which, I suppose, is what they intended to do.

    The Social Dimensions of Scientific Knowledge – from the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy
    ————-

    Stephanie – you said in response to my comment: I used to work developing vaccines in a laboratory … Vaccine development is usually made at the highest quality by the time it reaches humans, although corrupt people sometimes try to manipulate study results.

    There is a large difference between the environment in which a vaccine (or any product really) is developed, and the environment in which it is manufactured. My comment was directed to the manufacturing process, not the development process. I was pointing out that lower grade (hence, lower cost) materials and quality control stuff are generally used in products aimed at a particular low price point. Higher grade (hence, higher cost) materials and quality control stuff are generally used in products aimed at a particular higher price point. I fleshed this idea out in subsequent comments, and perhaps you’ve seen them. An example of the point I was making is this: the quality of the vaccine could be identical in both the lower cost and higher cost vials. But the quality of other things could vary, helping the manufacturer low costs so that the product can be offered at a lower price point. Less expensive quality control, less expensive metal or glass that makes up the vial, poorer quality, or not enough, of the preservative used in the vial, poorer quality of materials that create the seal between the top (where the needle is poked through) and the body of the vial. Lower quality materials theoretically have a better chance of letting a contaminant pass through to the vaccine than higher quality materials.

    That was the point I was making – not that I’m absolutely sure it happens, but that it can happen. And to the extent that it does, cheaper manufacturing can create a situation that harms the body that has nothing to do with the vaccine itself. But people don’t know that, and so they blame the vaccine when the vaccine is not what caused the problem – like the situation in your video.

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  141. Ame says:

    Stephanie, it’s the pro vaccine people who are often the meanest and most judgemental and give zero room for parental choice, who believe that if the gov says it’s good then we should all take it without question.

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  142. Ame says:

    The container issue is an interesting one. I know that with my Aspie-Girl’s allergy that we can’t figure out, the materials used in food packaging is something we’ve considered. Of course we can’t prove it because we still don’t know the ingredient that causes her to go into anaphylaxis. She just sticks to foods at home that we know are safe 99.9% of the time.

    But needing to be aware of every ingredient in every thing that she consumes, including the ingredients in the packaging that could seep into the food/drink product is frustrating.

    If different companies use different packaging and safety practices, gosh. So much to have to figure out. However, like you said earlier, someone knows.

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  143. Stephanie says:

    Richard, I realized your first point right before I went to sleep lol … I still think there’s something else going on just due to the sheer numbers of parents who see changes in mental degradation. A lot (maybe most) cases seem to happen at their regular, trusted pediatrician’s office.

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  144. Liz says:

    A really good professor would have immediately recognized a teaching opportunity for her and a learning opportunity for you if she had said go and develop your hunch and document the sources that make you think you are more right than wrong.”

    The above is something I have never witnessed in my lifetime. And I have three degrees.

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  145. Stephanie says:

    “A really good professor would have immediately recognized a teaching opportunity for her and a learning opportunity for you if she had said go and develop your hunch and document the sources that make you think you are more right than wrong.””

    She was sooo brilliant, though, Richard! She was a very very good professor and taught dual courses herself at the health science center. My husband would sit with me in her classes and listen in, too, because she just made everything sound so fascinating. She liked us 🙂

    I think everyone is subject to some things they just don’t want to see or admit. She was VERY pro-birth control, but she was also VERY honest about how bad feminism was (even though she was largely an actual feminist), I loved her because she was so honest about everything (minus this one thing obviously 😀 ).

    I’m certain she talks about the risk now in her classes if she’s still teaching – it was just too much for her brain at that time. Too much cognitive dissonance.

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  146. Stephanie says:

    She was so interesting personally, too. She never had children and ended up marrying later in life to a man who had been divorced. Then when he had his first grand-daughter, she got to watch her a lot and had SO much fun playing the fun Grandma.

    She was very much a Helen Gurley Brown type, so honest about men and women, sex and relationships. So not your normal feminist… a much more truthful one.

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  147. RichardP says:

    I said A really good professor would have immediately recognized a teaching opportunity …

    @Liz said: The above is something I have never witnessed in my lifetime. And I have three degrees.

    After my comment posted, I realized I could have phrased that better. I was not meaning to demean the professor. But I have been in situations is school where it was possible to incorporate independent study into ones degree program. I did this myself for a couple of classes. That is what I was referring to. I don’t know that Stephanie’s degree program would have allowed that. But I know from experience that a professor can make a compelling argument for the independent study and the higher-ups will grant the request. At least in schools that allow for that sort of thing.

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  148. Ame says:

    Liz
    12h ago
    A really good professor would have immediately recognized a teaching opportunity for her and a learning opportunity for you if she had said go and develop your hunch and document the sources that make you think you are more right than wrong.”

    The above is something I have never witnessed in my lifetime. And I have three degrees.

    that’s what i love about homeschooling – (not on a college level – that’s above my pay-grade! lol!)

    when my girls find something interesting … or have a question about why, how, or what-if, i send them to figure it out. they’re both great at finding things out now, and they know more than i do about a LOT of things! lol!

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