A Tale Of Two Sisters


Ame wrote,

My mother was VERY conservative with my dress growing up … even to the point where i was not allowed to wear pants to school, even in the snow in connecticut. By the time my youngest sister came along, she must have ditched all of that b/c she was dressing like a slut from a VERY young age – 11, 12 years old. and our two lives have mirrored those two opposing requirements/lack of requirements in dress code ever since. interesting.

I really don’t know Are or her sister, or precisely how they turned out, but this provides a good lead-in to today’s writeup.

Let us suppose that one goes down the dress provocatively route.  One soon finds out that much can be obtained through this, be it attention, validation, food, amusement, rides, etc.  Probably this seems like a feasible route in life.  Moreover, it is just plain fun, or it seems that way.  For many, development essentially stops; both in school and with respect to life skills.  One might suggest that such a girl is developing life skills, but these skills can only take one so far.  Short answer: men looking at women for marriage want them to have competent life skills and not to have a checkered past.

The other route implies that the development of life skills is in the cards.  Historically it has been a package deal: modestly dressed women concentrate on what they need to be doing to prepare them for life ahead.  Perhaps nobody comes out and says it, but everybody understands it.  Most importantly, these life skills are just that, skills that are oh so useful in navigating life.  Best to have them.

Exit question: What life skills do you consider important for the ladies?

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123 comments on “A Tale Of Two Sisters
  1. Ame says:

    when i saw the title come up in my inbox, i immediately thought of my sister … then i click over, and it IS about my sister! lol!

    said sister came over last night to pick up something i got for her. she asked me a question; i answered; she demeaned my answer. sigh.

    What life skills do you consider important for the ladies?

    here are some off the top of my head, and as a mom of girls:

    – manners – always important.
    – speak properly … grammar matters. diction matters. if you want to communicate with people, speak well and properly.
    – respect. treat people with respect. speak with respect. be respectful with your voice.
    – dress appropriately for the situation.
    – do the best you can with what you’ve got. you won’t always be the best, brightest, prettiest, have the most, etc, but you can be the best you can be with what you’ve been given.
    – be humble; as there will always be those with more, there will always be those with less.
    – along those lines … remember … but for the grace of God go i.
    – attitude matters.
    – smile.
    – this life is not about you. sometimes it gets to be, but overall, this life is bigger than you.
    – life is not fair, just, or equal. get over it.
    – learn to stick up for yourself appropriately.
    – stand up tall; hold your head high.

    – – –

    i think BV would have some good comments re this given what he’s shared about his incredible daughter.

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  2. Farm Boy says:

    So is that sister the mother of your favorite niece?

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  3. Ame says:

    yes, she is. she’s my sister who’s been jealous of me all her life. really – that was our mother’s doing. our mother always, ALWAYS, said, “Ame does EVERYthing right! I’m SO jealous of Ame!”

    blech. barf. eck.

    what that did for our mother was excuse her from being a mother b/c, if i did everything right already, then i didn’t need a mother. if i called her for any advice, she’d just say i’d figure it out and get off the phone. if i called her twice in a short period of time, she’d ask why i was calling, like it was an imposition. i learned real fast not to call her, ever. however, she still proclaimed to my younger siblings that i was ‘perfect.’

    unfortunately, this sister never got over it. coupled with the fact she was the most beautiful of all three of us girls, had the best personality of all 3 of us, was naturally sexually attractive … has by far the highest iq … and our mother just stopped mothering all together. ‘perfect storm.’

    not that my sister can’t take any responsibility for her choices in life. it’s a harsh thing to have to do to look back over your life and see so much destruction; i sure don’t envy her 😦

    – – –

    i found this adorable 3month old onesie at the thrift store for .75 that says, “My auntie is amazing!” so perfect. i showed it to my sister last night, and she acted like it didn’t exist.

    jealousy is a cruel master.

    i wish there were something i could do to alleviate that, but i can’t 😦

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  4. @Ame
    Pretty sure telling a woman to smile is now a capital offense.

    That’s a nice list, but what would Ame’s sister’s reaction be to it. Would she call the cops and claim she’d been raped?

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  5. Farm Boy says:

    Suggesting the adoption of life skills is rape.

    Who knew?

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  6. Farm Boy says:

    Perhaps the sister should have used Ame as a role model. It has been done in the past

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  7. Stephanie says:

    Not going to lie… we would have loved the idea of having two boys, two girls, but it may prove easier that we only have one!

    It’s kind of rare to find a family with more than one sister that doesn’t have insane drama. I only had one brother ❤ so I can only speak about the families in our extended families, and friends… not from experience.

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  8. Liz says:

    Heh, Mike’s sister always dressed like a skank, and slept with his friends. This was a habit of hers through pilot training (she visited and immediately hooked up with several of our friends in pilot training, and then his flight instructor). Eventually she was too fat to continue this habit.

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  9. Liz says:

    Just to add…Yeah, she hated me then.
    My own (half) sister is a saint. I mean, a saint. I cannot say enough good things about her.
    But, she is much older and we never lived in the same house (very Catholic, devout, the kind of person who….please excuse the inelegant colloquialism, wouldn’t say “shit” if she had a mouthful).

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  10. Cheque d'Out says:

    I’ll post the survey if and when I see it, but…

    Porn Baron • 4 minutes ago
    Mmmmm. That survey showing 71% of leavers think violence against mps is justified to deliver Brexit, should be writ large on every wall in Westminster

    [Guy Fawkes Day coming up it is?]

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  11. Cheque d'Out says:

    Born into this Porn Baron • 2 minutes ago
    12.354m potential assailants

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  12. Cheque d'Out says:

    Porn Baron Born into this • an hour ago
    60% of remainders feel the same

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  13. Ame says:

    Kentucky Headhunter
    @Ame
    Pretty sure telling a woman to smile is now a capital offense.

    That’s a nice list, but what would Ame’s sister’s reaction be to it. Would she call the cops and claim she’d been raped?

    smiling … sheesh … can’t people just smile anymore and it not *be* anything but, well, a smile?!

    the Proverbial Pool Guy (PPG) came over to do some work in out house today … he’s been doing work for us for many years now – 8? perhaps? (the one who’s the boyfriend of the woman who left her husband with several small children and is rumored to have been having an affair w/ PPG for a couple years before the divorce). … i am 54 years old. life has been hard. i have no illusions about what i look like and what i don’t … but i opened the door with a smile, VERY minimal makeup (my daily routine) and casual clothes. the first thing he said was, “Wow! Did you dress up for me? You look nice!” (man, is that chick gonna crash when he ditches her! lol!)

    always have interesting conversations with PPG, and today – he brought it up – got to talking about a good female friend he grew up with who is gay … which led to sex … which led to what the bible says about sex … HE is leading this conversation … and i doubt he knows i know the couple whose wife, ex-wife, he’s sleeping with. anyway … i mentioned how stats prove that the higher her N count, the less satisfied in marriage and the more likely to leave b/c she’s always looking for the guy who was her ‘best,’ and he looked at me with a telling look and said, “Don’t I know!” yeah … that chick’s days are numbered.

    anyway … a smile 🙂 … long hair … casual but not sloppy clothes.

    – – –

    That’s a nice list, but what would Ame’s sister’s reaction be to it. Would she call the cops and claim she’d been raped?

    had to reread the list! lol! no, she wouldn’t call the cops … or claim rape … but she would think she already does all that.

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  14. Ame says:

    Farm Boy

    Perhaps the sister should have used Ame as a role model. It has been done in the past

    yeah, but our mother ruined that. can’t look up to someone you’re jealous of. and out mother … insanely jealous of me.

    years ago she begged my dad for this one house … he finally bought it for her and did ALL the extensive remodeling she desired … redid whole kitchen … added a huge, HUGE master suite, etc. it was very nice. not long after that my first Husband and i built our 2nd house (one of those things we were actually very good at together). it had a fabulous kitchen with two islands and a huge pantry and large windows. she walked in my house, and the first thing she said was, “Oh, I am so jealous! I have a nice kitchen, but this … I am so jealous!”

    when i called my mom to tell her i was pregnant the 2nd time, the first thing she said was, “I didn’t know you wanted another one.” then without a breath she said, “Have you told your sister? She’s going to be sooo jealous.” guess who was pregnant 3 months later.

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  15. Ame says:

    Stephanie
    Not going to lie… we would have loved the idea of having two boys, two girls, but it may prove easier that we only have one!

    It’s kind of rare to find a family with more than one sister that doesn’t have insane drama. I only had one brother ❤ so I can only speak about the families in our extended families, and friends… not from experience.

    it doesn’t have to be like that, Stephanie, even though it often is. my girls are not jealous of each other. of course, i did pray about that extensively from the beginning, and i worked hard to do everything i could to make sure that wasn’t an issue 🙂

    – – –

    my late Mentor had four boys, no girls, and iirc she was an only child. she mentored a lot of women in her lifetime. i told her that that would not have been possible if she’d had daughters b/c her daughters would have been jealous! being an only child with only boys, she looked at me weird – she didn’t get it! but it’s true! lol!

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  16. Ame says:

    Liz

    Just to add…Yeah, she hated me then.
    My own (half) sister is a saint. I mean, a saint. I cannot say enough good things about her.
    But, she is much older and we never lived in the same house (very Catholic, devout, the kind of person who….please excuse the inelegant colloquialism, wouldn’t say “shit” if she had a mouthful).

    that bad girl hatin’ on the good girl hate is real! lol!

    our other sister is like your half sister, Liz. a true saint with a pure heart. we all love her!

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  17. Ame says:

    Liz
    Heh, Mike’s sister always dressed like a skank, and slept with his friends. This was a habit of hers through pilot training (she visited and immediately hooked up with several of our friends in pilot training, and then his flight instructor). Eventually she was too fat to continue this habit.

    wow! what did Mike think of that?!

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  18. Farm Boy says:


    News
    EXCLUSIVE: Shocking photos of Congresswoman Katie Hill are revealed as she’s seen NAKED showing off Nazi-era tattoo while smoking a bong, kissing her female staffer and posing nude on ‘wife sharing’ sites

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7609835/Katie-Hill-seen-showing-Nazi-era-tattoo-smoking-BONG-NAKED.html

    [Odd that one needs to go to the British Daily Mail to learn about Democratic malfeasance in the US it is]

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  19. Farm Boy says:

    Mike’s sister always dressed like a skank, and slept with his friends

    Did she ever marry?

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  20. Liz says:

    Okay, think I’ve spent four hours “playing” in snow (plowing, snow blowing, shoveling).
    Done! My arms hurt. 😆
    So excited my internet hasn’t given out (knock on wood)

    wow! what did Mike think of that?!
    She was always that way (she’s a couple of years older than Mike).
    All through high school she hooked up with his friends. Which made things awkward, especially because when hey broke up she always came crying to Mike about what *ssholes they were. And…all her friends were strippers/whores. She really was a mess. I didn’t expect her to live past her 20s. I don’t think she expected to either.
    It was pretty embarrassing when she visited him in pilot training.
    She was a serious drinker then. Of course she blamed everyone else.
    And whenever she was dating a real asshole (Mike’s flight commander/instructor at pilot training qualified) she’d tell Mike “he’s just like you!!!”
    That was nice.

    Did she ever marry?
    Yep. In her mid 30s. No kids.

    [/the Lizgossip has ended]

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  21. Farm Boy says:

    The MSM wonders why people go to places like RT for news. Perhaps it because the MSM is self-censoring

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  22. Farm Boy says:

    Did she ever marry?
    Yep. In her mid 30s. No kids.

    Did she marry well?

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  23. Farm Boy says:

    Speaking of a tale of two sisters

    Jealous Russian woman, 22, who knifed her 17-year-old model sister 189 times in frenzied murder, hacking off her ear and gouging her eyes, is jailed for 13 years

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7599491/Woman-jailed-knifing-naked-17-year-old-model-sister.html

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  24. Stephanie says:

    Sorry if someone’s already posted this… I just saw an update from 2 sources saying this:

    “LATEST UPDATE!!!!!!
    Judge Cooks has granted equal 50/50 conservatorship over decisions regarding both boys!
    This means that ANY medical or psychological treatment of the boys has to be agreed upon by BOTH parents!!!!!
    The details regarding possession time, child support and other things will be detailed later.
    We are still obtaining full details about the ruling and will update as soon as we know more.

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  25. Liz says:

    Did she marry well?

    It’s all relative…relative to what she was, she married very well.
    He’s a military officer, eight years younger than she is, and about 100 pounds lighter than she is (she’s 300 pounds now, pretty sure). He’s a good guy.

    [Lucky she was]

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  26. Farm Boy says:

    That reminds me of a post that I should write, one on men having standards

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  27. Farm Boy says:

    WASHINGTON, D.C.—The ancient god Moloch has announced that in lieu of the actual blood sacrifice of your children, you can now simply force your kids to become transgender as an alternative.

    https://babylonbee.com/news/moloch-will-now-accept-forcing-your-kids-to-become-transgender-in-lieu-of-actual-sacrifice

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  28. RichardP says:

    Re. Stephanie’s comment upthread:
    https://stream.org/judge-rules-father-say-james-youngers-gender-transition/

    Judge Kim Cooks of Texas’s 255th district ruled Thursday that parents Younger and Anne Georgulas will have joint guardianship over James Younger, LifeSite News reported. This joint guardianship includes joint decision-making for medical decisions.

    He requested trial by jury. She did not. So her issues were decided solely by the judge.

    He requested sole custody. The jury denied him that request. I don’t know all that she asked for, but I think she also asked for sole custody. Her issues were decided by the judge, not the jury, and the judge has apparently said no to her request for sole custody (if she requested that).

    I believe that joint guardianship is what he and she had already been granted at the divorce and annulment trial. If that is true, then this judge’s decision is simply maintaining the status quo in terms of guardianship. But, given what “mom” intended to do, the fact that joint guardianship includes joint decision-making for medical decisions means that the judge reaffirming joint custody is a very significant ruling.

    Any of you guys remember how King Solomon resolved the issue of the two women arguing over ownership of a child? Wonder if that would work here?

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  29. Farm Boy says:

    The political elites are failing to meet the needs of the people and the people have had enough. In a dozen countries, they have taken to the streets by the hundreds of thousands, even by the millions. There has been pushback from authorities, but even the prospect of death hasn’t deterred citizens from expressing their desperation and displeasure at the status quo.

    https://pjmedia.com/trending/the-world-on-fire-citizens-rebel-against-corruption-and-ineptitude/

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  30. Farm Boy says:

    The role of peer and social pressure in behavior is significant. Prior to the advent of digital social media, what was called “epidemic hysteria” spread mostly within groups such as Middle Ages villages, 18th-century factories, 20th-century schools and the like. They spread among those who talked to each other. But the prevalence of mobile devices now means that “groups” are no longer physically confined. People are talking to children on social media without their parents knowing who they are.

    Psychologist Romeo Vitelli argues that mass psychogenic illness of all sorts have become more common as social media’s coverage spread.

    https://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/the-day-of-the-witch/

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  31. Farm Boy says:

    Bed Bath & Beyond has stopped selling black jack-o’-lanterns amid complaints that they are another form of blackface.

    Bed Bath & Beyond has stopped selling black jack-o’-lanterns amid complaints that they are another form of blackface.

    [“Orange Man” complain about the sale of regular pumpkins he should]

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  32. earl says:

    (she’s 300 pounds now, pretty sure)

    Seems like promiscuity often leads to obesity…(if they don’t take the drugs that eat up the body).

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  33. Ame says:

    FTR – it is HARD to watch my sister live out her life. it is hard to watch her suffer for things past. it is hard to watch her insecurities created so many years ago by our crazy mother manifest themselves in destructive ways.

    she really has a good heart and cares deeply. she’s my sister who’s been teaching 25 years, and every.single.year she has students come back to her school just to see HER … no other teacher has anywhere near as many students come back just to visit them. every.single.year parents beg to have their kid in her class. she’s created a whole system and way of teaching that covers every possible special need and reg ed and advanced ed student all at the same time. she’s designed this whole incredible school system, and if she ever has the money, she’ll be able to develop it (outside of public school, of course).

    she has worked hard to overcome a lot of the bad in her life. she has, for the most part, accepted her lot in life.

    it just sucks when you’ve been programmed to be jealous of one person all your life, and that one person turns out to, at least by perception, have a much better life than you. it’s like she’s trapped in this jealousy matrix that has no way out. i hate that for her and for all of us. it hurts her, it hurts her daughter, it hurts me, it hurts my kids.

    she bought into so.many.lies that our mother planted into her.

    our mother raised me and my two sisters very differently. when she left our dad, she concurrently turned on my siblings and began treating them the same way she’d always treated me. it was a real shock for them.

    anyway … yes, women have created this mess. and i am not in any way minimizing what it’s done to men and boys at all. but it sure as heck has not done any favors at all for women, either. and girls like my sister are finding this out too late in life to make significant changes. it’s the ones like our mother who keep trying to drive it into the ground that are infuriating, and it’s the ones like my sister who really did try to do her best that are heartbreaking.

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  34. Ame says:

    Richard – that’s interesting that he chose a jury trial and she chose a judge.

    does this mean they counter-sued each other, as in there were two, separate cases? how else would there be two rulings?

    in a case like this … or is it a double case? … how is it determined which ruling stands? obviously, we want the judge’s ruling in this case … but is there a precedent that determines which ruling stands or which ruling has more power/authority over the other?

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  35. Farm Boy says:

    Doesn’t apply to Liz

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  36. Farm Boy says:

    Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez put a racial spin Wednesday on climate change and hurricanes, attributing emissions from “predominantly white” corporations and communities for juicing recent storms that cost “predominantly black and brown lives” in Louisiana and Puerto Rico

    https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/oct/23/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-dings-predominantly-white/

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  37. RichardP says:

    @Ame:

    While both parents were joint managing conservators of their twin children, Georgulas had filed a petition to modify the joint conservatorship by restricting some of Younger’s rights over the kids and requiring him to affirm the child in question’s identity as a girl. Younger then filed a counterpetition urging the court to make him the sole managing conservator.

    As in alimony and child support situations, it appears that (at least in Texas), once the court rules on a custody issue, the folks subject to that ruling can petition the court for a change. She did, and he filed a counter-petition. Just guessing here, but it appears that when you file the petition (at least in Texas), you can state whether you want it looked at by a jury or just by the judge.

    That paragraph is from here, as is the following paragraph:

    Texas transgender child custody dispute

    The Texas Department of Family and Protective Services said Thursday that it is “reviewing” allegations of “potential child abuse” stemming from an estranged couple’s legal custody battle over whether their 7-year-old child is a transgender girl.

    I had heard about this case in a general way, and it was sitting in the back of my mind getting little attention until Stephanie’s comment on the previous thread. A quick look through the internet brought me up to speed. And made me wonder big-time why Child Protective Services, and the courts themselves, were allowing such child abuse to go unchallenged. It seems that that is about to change. Someone is going to or has introduced legislation to make it illegal for parents or anyone to be messing with trans-gender issues with anyone younger than 18. It is sad that such legislation is needed, but I think they can’t pass that legislation soon enough. The things said at the link I posted above give me hope.

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  38. Cheque d'Out says:

    I found the source of those rather alarming (for MPs) statistics.
    https://www.politico.eu/article/poll-violence-against-mps-price-worth-paying-to-get-brexit-result/

    Poll: Violence against MPs ‘price worth paying’ to get Brexit result
    Both sides prepared to resort to extreme measures to see the Brexit debate resolved.

    By CRISTINA GALLARDO 10/24/19, 7:47 PM CET Updated 10/25/19, 9:35 AM CET
    LONDON — A majority of voters on both sides of the Brexit debate said violence against MPs is a “price worth paying” in order to get a resolution they favor, according to a survey.

    Academics at Cardiff University and the University of Edinburgh found that 71 percent of Leave voters in England, 60 percent in Scotland and 70 percent in Wales believed violence towards lawmakers was a “price worth paying” for Brexit.

    The poll, conducted by YouGov, yielded similar results among Remain voters, with 58 percent of those in England, 53 percent in Scotland and 56 percent in Wales justifying violence towards MPs as way to ensure the U.K. remains in the EU.

    Richard Wyn Jones, a professor of Welsh politics at Cardiff University and co-director of the survey, said he was “shaken” by the findings.

    “It’s hard to not be genuinely shocked — not only by the fact that so many think that violence is a likely consequence of Brexit, but that so many on either side of the Brexit divide seem to think that such events might be ‘worth it’ in order to secure their preferred outcome,” he said.

    Cross-party MPs have voiced concerns over increasing levels of abuse and threats from members of the public opposed to their Brexit stance.

    According to the findings, voters on both sides of the Brexit debate are also comfortable with the idea of protests in which members of the public are badly injured if that leads to their preferred political outcome becoming a reality.

    On the Leave camp, 69 percent of Leave supporters in England, 62 percent in Scotland and 70 percent in Wales said it was a “price worth paying.” On the Remain side, it was 57 percent in England, 56 percent in Scotland and 57 percent in Wales.

    The pollster gathered responses from nearly 1,600 adults in England, about 1,500 in Wales, and just over 1,000 in Scotland.

    Wyn Jones said these results underscore the importance of responsible and measured debate, and should give politicians “pause for thought.”

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  39. Cheque d'Out says:

    Grifters have never been more blatant

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  40. Cheque d'Out says:

    ***Quote of the Day ***

    Sir Desmond Swayne, picked up on microphone in the House of Commons as John Bercow went into one of his Mike Yarwood acts:

    “Such a wanker!”

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  41. Cheque d'Out says:

    Every time the laba party is asked about a General Election

    Yes but not now because reasons (reasons being that they’re facing a wipe-out)

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  42. Farm Boy says:

    Katie Hill is the best example of female privilege that we’ve seen in a while. The creep can literally (and figuratively) groom her staff while naked and the media doesn’t care. If a man did that, he’d be run out of town as a pervert.

    — Matt Walsh (@MattWalshBlog) October 23, 2019

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  43. Farm Boy says:

    But, of course, the congresswoman is focusing on the fact that she’s suffering at the hands of a reportedly abusive soon to be ex-husband. She’s using this opportunity be victorious through victimhood. Like a kittenish meow blossoming into a lioness roar (maybe there is something to this primal grooming…). She writes in a response to Politico

    “The fact is I am going through a divorce from an abusive husband who seems determined to try to humiliate me … I, like many women who have faced attacks like this before, am stronger than those who want me to be afraid.”

    https://victorygirlsblog.com/congresswoman-katie-hill-pulls-the-woman-card/

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  44. Cheque d'Out says:

    I think that he’s right

    A GE is a far bigger gamble for Boris than polls suggest, if he has one without us being out clean

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  45. Farm Boy says:

    NBA Fans Supporting Hong Kong Protests Are Getting Kicked Out Of Games And Their Signs Confiscated

    “I don’t see how it was any more or less disruptive than an average NBA fan holding up a sign and screaming at the players and those people don’t get kicked out.”

    https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/skbaer/hong-kong-nba-fans-signs-protests

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  46. Farm Boy says:

    [Sure that never happens this does I do ]

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  47. Farm Boy says:

    The race is on to see who will survive—the duly-elected president of the United States or a modern-day Praetorian Guard comprised of former law enforcement and intelligence officials tasked with taking down that president.

    Attorney General William Barr has suggested that top officials in the Obama Administration behaved like a “Praetorian Guard” in their unprecedented and possibly criminal investigation into Donald Trump’s presidential campaign.

    “Republics have fallen because of a Praetorian Guard mentality where government officials get very arrogant, they identify the national interest with their own political preferences and they feel that anyone who has a different opinion, you know, is somehow an enemy of the state,” Barr told CBS News reporter Jan Crawford in May.

    https://www.amgreatness.com/2019/10/24/who-will-fall-first-trump-or-the-praetorian-guard/

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  48. Farm Boy says:


    Why It’s Probably Not A Coincidence That The Mother Transing Her 7-Year-Old Isn’t Biologically Related

    James’s non-biological parent’s willingness to risk her child’s long-term health struggle contrasts sharply with his biological parent’s desire to protect him.

    https://thefederalist.com/2019/10/24/why-its-probably-not-a-coincidence-that-the-mother-transing-her-7-year-old-isnt-biologically-related/

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  49. Farm Boy says:

    In response to Carlson’s questions about transgender cyclist Rachel McKinnon — a biological male who just set a world record in a women’s track cycling championship — Dansky said that many on the Left strongly oppose the transgender agenda but are “subjected to a media blackout.”

    “I just want to say there are many Democrats and people who identify as being on the Left who are very angry about the takeover of women’s sports and how the Democratic Party is handling gender identity,” said Dansky.

    Dansky then underscored that she is a “lifelong” Democrat but has found that her voice has been silenced by her own side, particularly the mainstream media.

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/feminist-democrat-media-wont-let-us-speak-out-against-males-competing-in-womens-sports

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  50. In which I am introduced to the term “nostalgia-baiting”. I quite like it.

    I was a big fan of Ah-nuld. I really enjoyed his public persona and his movies were usually quite a lot of fun. Even him fucking the maid didn’t bother me much (although, shit, man, get a better looking maid, you’re super-rich!) as I just thought Maria wasn’t taking care of business. Sadly, he’s just a an SJW parody of his former self these days.

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  51. Liz says:

    Seems like promiscuity often leads to obesity…(if they don’t take the drugs that eat up the body).

    I’ve noticed that too.
    Back in her 20s she would talk about cheating on her hypothetical future husband, someday.
    But by the time she married (around 37), she was pretty happy to land someone.

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  52. Liz says:

    Even him fucking the maid didn’t bother me much (although, shit, man, get a better looking maid, you’re super-rich!)

    I always assumed there must’ve been some level of kink involved there.
    Maybe it was a thrill to get away with it in his own home?
    “Come heeyah, fast….Maria is in the showah”

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  53. Liz says:

    “The fact is I am going through a divorce from an abusive husband who seems determined to try to humiliate me … I, like many women who have faced attacks like this before, am stronger than those who want me to be afraid.”

    Gasp! How strong and brave!! [/sarcasm]
    We really need to bring back stocks and pillory for people like this.
    And Hillary.
    That’s pretty catchy, actually.
    Pillory Hillary!!

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  54. Liz says:

    Damn, why couldn’t I have thought of that catchy phrase during the election?
    Of course, I couldn’t have sold the tee shirts then since Mike was working for Obama…

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  55. @Liz

    Could be a kink. Could just be she was willing and available. Could be both. Still, I would have tried to get something like this going on…

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  56. Cheque d'Out says:

    Boris desperate for a GE before Brexit? Has he seen this result?

    22.9% drop in tory support with all that and more going to the Brexit party

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  57. Cheque d'Out says:

    Remarkable

    One of my earliest dives was on the James Egan Layne

    Here’s HMS Scylla which was deliberately sunk near to the Layne. I dived her in near mint condition

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  58. Liz says:

    https://ljubomirfarms.wordpress.com/2019/10/11/scott-and-mychaels-advice-for-marriage-and-romance/#comments

    Our smallest is 21 months, and yes Mychael is exhausted much of the time. But we also have my MIL here and that helps. You need time alone with each other to recharge. Our kids sometimes spend two or three days with my MIL and we head up to the mountains and lock ourselves in the house. No cell phones, nothing. We don’t come out for air until we feel we are done.

    I think Scott and Mychael are a very cute couple, and their advice on this thread is very very good. But this bit reminds me everyone is coming from a different perspective/experience/situation.
    I cannot imagine how cool it would’ve been to have a grandparent help out to watch our boys even for a few hours. Imagine moving 7 times in 6 years and trying to find trustworthy baby sitters for mandatory functions. My MIL showed up 15 years late, when we’re practically an empty nest. [/done feeling sorry for myself, just wanted to rant in relative anonymity]

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  59. Liz says:

    One of my earliest dives was on the James Egan Layne

    Hey that’s so cool, Swithy!!

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  60. Cheque d'Out says:

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  61. Larry G says:

    Awwwwwright, Liz. I heard from a VERY reliable source that you were invoking or using My Name in vain…tsk, tsk

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  62. Liz says:

    Larry!!! 🤗

    Staying warm?

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  63. Larry G says:

    warm? jeez, barely cool weather. still in shorts and tee shirts…that little dusting of solid water we had was just a bit irritating

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  64. Larry G says:

    In a couple of hours I have an appointment with a smart ass doctor who I fully plan to piss right off so won’t be back till much later

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  65. BuenaVista says:

    The father has no equal say. The judge simply backstopped her untenable decisions by affirming what the father — I speculate but I’m sure — already has, which in the USA is “joint legal custody.”

    Well.

    One, all dads wind up with “joint legal custody.” It’s a fiction. A father has “joint legal custody”, which no court enforces, unless the mother agrees to consult him, or he has $250,000 a year to blow on dilatory legal proceedings. I have “joint legal custody” of a child and I’m not going into that again.

    Two, the judge imposed on the father a total gag order. He may not speak publicly about anything associated with his son or this case. The mother has no such restriction. She’s tweeting.

    Ergo, three, a clever move by the judge to give the tranny-crazies a talking point — “they are equal parents!” — while castrating the father as well as the boy. This is normal course behavior in American family law.

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  66. BuenaVista says:

    I think a blue heron just flew 20 feet high down the middle of my camp. I don’t know anything about birds but man oh man I’m ready to go buy some binoculars and a book and get busy.

    I don’t think it was a Great Blue Heron, but they do breed up here and there’s no ice yet.

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  67. BuenaVista says:

    All the people are gone or sitting in combines or TV chairs now, so the natural world reasserts itself. Coyotes at night, birds, pestilential deer. On the beach where I sit, while the sun comes up, massive fish jump. Muskies, pike I think. Of course, a person has to be still — and not speaking — to receive full benefit.

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  68. Stephanie says:

    Wow Liz! I think I got very lucky with the SIL… she looks like Audrey Hepburn and is polite and respectful! She does have an awful past of sleeping around for about 15 yrs before settling down, but she picked a VERY good divorcee an seems to treat him well. Life is strange… Sometimes things work out

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  69. BuenaVista says:

    Ame flattered my daughter and her character.

    Her mom and I are almost perfect opposites, except in the physical and romantic aspects. For many years, moral and family aspects. Our daughter is fortunate in that she was taught to:

    1. Look people in the eye, shake hands, and say, “HI!” By age 3.

    2. Acceptable people read, play at least one instrument, sit quietly at the table or the symphony, and speak at least one add’l language. (She taught herself to read by 5 and skipped two grades; violin; I took her and her brother to the National Symphony at 8 & 10, weekly; she speaks English, French, Italian and Spanish.)

    3. Never be a baby. Cry in private.

    4. Cook and celebrate the ritual of a family eating together. (She baked our bread at 7.)

    5. If you’re smarter than the schoolteacher, tell her straight-ahead, and wait until you’re home to cry at how awful it was.

    6. Math is as important as literature. (One of her three degrees is in econ.)

    7. When you are playing field hockey or lacrosse, crush the bitches. Hug them after the game, not during.

    8. You can handle a 220 mph airplane at age 16. Best to listen to tips and tricks from the old guy or girl sitting next to you. Never talk too much in an airplane or on the radio.

    9. Don’t ever get fat. We don’t get fat in this family. Don’t even think about it.

    10. When it’s party time, invite the neighborhood and the network and go nuts.

    11. The only acceptable man is someone who will happily kill someone on your behalf, and know how to do it.

    12. It’s rude to talk politics at the table or in the bar.

    13. Someone is always better looking, richer, or luckier.

    14. When you socialize, make the other person happy and deflect attention from yourself.

    15. Love your brother.

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  70. Being a reasonable person and hence not a lawyer, I can’t see how it can possibly be within a judge’s power to silence a parent in such a scenario. How is the course of “justice” (cough, gag, etc…) served by doing so?

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  71. Stephanie says:

    Thank you for posting all that information Richard, very interesting how they decided things.

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  72. texinole says:

    11. The only acceptable man is someone who will happily kill someone on your behalf, and know how to do it.

    A dumb, terrible, vicious point in an otherwise admirable list.

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  73. BuenaVista says:

    KHH: “Being a reasonable person and hence not a lawyer, I can’t see how it can possibly be within a judge’s power to silence a parent in such a scenario. How is the course of “justice” (cough, gag, etc…) served by doing so?”

    I offered a statement of fact. Challenge it as you wish.

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  74. BuenaVista says:

    I will accept that it’s “terrible, vicious.” I’m very pleased my daughter’s fiance is a West Point grad with time in a combat theater.

    If you would care to expand on “dumb”, I’m happy to be improved. At this point, whoever you are, you’re advocating for “talking it out” the next time someone threatening your child’s life is encountered on an empty street. Do extend your lecture to how police just need more training in sensitive verbal responses to deadly force.

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  75. Ame says:

    LARRY!!!!!!!

    SO good to see Larry again!!!

    (hope that doc is able to survive Larry! lol!)

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  76. Ame says:

    Richard – thanks for explaining that legal stuff … still a bit confusing, but it would be interesting to see the actual court recordings.

    i just can’t imagine a jury siding against the father given the information we have, so i wonder what was actually stated in court and what they were actually asked to rule on. it seems that he has a stupid attorney, but, again, i am not legally literate at all, and have no idea why or how his attny decided to file what he did. it would seem to me the best thing would have been to file for an injunction on any kind of chemical sex/gender altering of any child for any reason.

    also … i find it interesting the female judge ruled for joint after the media blew up. i wonder if her ruling would have been different had the media not blown up.

    CPS – it’s interesting this is now just being brought into the picture as, at least as far as i am knowledgeable here in texas, they have a lot of power and like exerting that power … however, i also understand they are understaffed and over-worked (all my understanding; not proven).

    a note on cps … i was cautioned on them early on in our divorce when he was doing lots of things. i did *not* want to keep our kids from their dad … i actually wanted them to have a lot more time with him than he was willing to give. however i was cautioned b/c of some legal stuff he was doing that i did not want cps involved b/c they would investigate both of us thoroughly. this wasn’t because i had anything to hide; i didn’t. but b/c they tend to find things that aren’t there, and they put you through hell while they do so. and, in the end, may or may not be in the best interest of the children.

    anyway … sheesh … this case is crazy. i still think, purely my personal opinion, that she’s enjoying using her kids as science experiments and has been since before they were placed in her womb.

    good for the gov to get involved.

    and, wow … it’s reached the UK! thanks for sharing that, Spawny!

    in Spawny’s clip they talk about the parents warring wounding the kids … YES!!! stop hurting kids to get at the other parent!!!!!!!

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  77. Ame says:

    BV – as a woman … and a mom to daughters … i think your daughter got to grow up in a dream world 🙂

    (minus what her mother did to you and your marriage, of course)

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  78. Ame says:

    Liz – I think Scott and Mychael are a very cute couple, and their advice on this thread is very very good. But this bit reminds me everyone is coming from a different perspective/experience/situation.
    I cannot imagine how cool it would’ve been to have a grandparent help out to watch our boys even for a few hours. Imagine moving 7 times in 6 years and trying to find trustworthy baby sitters for mandatory functions. My MIL showed up 15 years late, when we’re practically an empty nest. [/done feeling sorry for myself, just wanted to rant in relative anonymity]

    sigh.

    so much great advice that would be nice to follow in a, nice, world.

    i actually made it a point to hire a baby sitter most every weekend for our date night. i actually did a lot of things like that – including that list of good wives Farm Boy posted. for some people, it’s never enough.

    anyway … that advice was also give to me as a single mom … “Make time for yourself!” yada yada yada. but that doesn’t apply when you have a special needs kid, NO family support, and no one wanting to take the time to get to know her enough to actually be of real help. i could not leave her with anyone for any length of time – maybe 30 minutes? i could not leave her with any kind of baby sitter on a school night. she needed 24/7 care, literally. i often slept while she was at school, but i still got phone calls and emails from the school during the day. and during that 36-38 hours he took the kids every other weekend, i’d crash. (that amt of time was his choice – it was all the time he was willing to take them).

    even remarried she was still my responsibility 24/7.

    anyway … i feel your rant, Liz! lol!

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  79. RichardP says:

    @Stephanie – you are welcome. And thanks for bringing this to our attention.

    @Ame: You are welcome. but it would be interesting to see the actual court recordings.

    The pdf file I posted on the previous thread was the actual court recordings from the jury decision.. Or did you mean video and audiotape recordings.

    I imagine there is a similar document out there, or will be soon, of the judge’s decision.

    I want to point out something, because I haven’t seen anybody mention it. The judge restored the custody situation to what it was after the annulment was granted: joint custody. But this time the judge appointed a third person to watch over the situation and look after the best interests of the child. When I have time, I will try to find the judges decree which restored the custody relationship and appointed this third person. I know that the courts can appoint a Guardian Ad Litem, but the article I linked to above did not give an official name to this person.

    https://definitions.uslegal.com/g/guardian-ad-litem/

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  80. Liz says:

    I think a blue heron just flew 20 feet high down the middle of my camp.

    Awesome! You’re camping out, BV?
    Mike and his hunting party are out around the Glenwood Springs and Meeker area (they’ve moved back and forth). It has been really cold, but I guess today is nice (and yesterday).
    He’s able to communicate messages with a satellite service thing.
    Last message he sent, a couple of hours ago:
    “We are following the tracks of an animal that is apparently smarter than us”
    😆

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  81. Liz says:

    Yeah, Stephanie…actually she is a lot nicer and more “settled” now. We get along now. But it was really weird for a long, long time. Both SIL and MIL liked his ex. We were married for years before she took her picture down from the wall…and there were none of me. 😆

    9. Don’t ever get fat. We don’t get fat in this family. Don’t even think about it.

    Yeah…that’s ours too. My sister has always been thin, my brother in super good condition, as are our families (all Dad’s grandkids). Mom is thin, my brother married a New Yorker who has some very annoying traits, but she has always been thin and in good condition. I’d like to think if I didn’t bring anything else to the marriage, I brought that. Mike is in great shape (180 out from his parents and sister) and so are our kids.

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  82. Liz says:

    You feel me, Ame!
    Chest bump, fist bump, high five. 🙂

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  83. Liz says:

    More Lizstory- My new (used, but new to me) snow blower works great!
    Swept the “dusting” off my car (over a foot thick, Larry!!), moved it to a sunny spot on the driveway, slipped on some black ice and landed on my tailbone (again?!?). Hope this isn’t going to turn into a yearly habit. Think it was just bruised this time, definitely not broke. But it’s annoying. I don’t like purposeless discomfort.

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  84. I am not challenging you, BV, I’m questioning the legitimacy of a system that allows a judge to do something like that.

    The local paper is mad that Trump got a nominally conservative guy seated on the federal bench here in KY. I read that’s it’s a lifetime appointment. WTF? I don’t want anybody, ANYBODY, ruling over me as an un-elected mandarin with practically no fear of removal from office. Doesn’t sound much like the “land of the free” to me.

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  85. b g says:

    Liz

    “I cannot imagine how cool it would’ve been to have a grandparent help out to watch our boys even for a few hours.”

    LOL, that’s how my wife and myself were adopted by the Sweetie and the Kiddo. We had known their parents for years, basically walking with the dogs in the woods, and hunting mushrooms with the wife who is from Bavaria and so was used to doing so.

    They owned a business, but their partner embezzled much of the capital just as they had the Sweetie. They had to scramble to save the company, both largely had to work or it would have failed. Both grandmothers has Alzheimer’s, so we ended up being babysitters for both children during working hours both as babes then as toddlers. I can still hear the stomping of little feet stampeding up the basement steps excitedly announcing .”We’re here!” with the dog charging down the stairs to welcome them ;-D

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  86. Farm Boy says:

    In an exchange that has now gone viral, Ocasio-Cortez pressed Siri with the question, “So you won’t correct any lies? So even if someone asked you, ‘Hey, Siri, why is Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez such a dummy?’ you wouldn’t correct that and say, ‘That’s a lie. Alexandria is very smart and good’?”

    After a few moments of silence, Siri responded, “Would you like me to search the web for ‘Why is Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez such a dummy?’”

    “THAT’S EXACTLY WHAT I DON’T WANT YOU TO DO, SIRI!” Ocasio-Cortez screamed, and then lunged forward and knocked the iPhone off the table in a moment of rage. The iPhone has suffered a cracked screen and may sue for damages

    https://babylonbee.com/news/aoc-grills-siri-at-congressional-hearings

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  87. Cheque d'Out says:

    Wavey-Davy Cameron has a book out.
    https://metro.co.uk/2019/10/20/hilarious-fake-covers-placed-david-camerons-book-10950869/
    Worth a click.

    David Cameron’s book had a mocking front cover placed on it at bookstores this weekend.

    The former prime minister’s memoir, called For the Record, had a cover that looks almost identical to the original, but instead of a serious looking David Cameron on the front page, his picture is replaced of him looking sad.

    The front cover also had a fictional quote from President Trump: ‘A very great book. So great. No, it’s a great book. All the words. All the pages’.

    A revised blurb on the back read: ‘Women wanted him. Men wanted to be him. Animals feared him. He had the world at his feet, yet he threw it all away over a bitter rivalry that began at the urinals of Eton forty years ago.

    ‘This isn’t so much a book as a blueprint of how to completely destroy a country – written by a tired man with face like a satellite dish made entirely of ham.’

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  88. Ame says:

    The pdf file I posted on the previous thread was the actual court recordings from the jury decision..

    ummm … well … i obviously didn’t click on it! my apologies – my bad.

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  89. Ame says:

    Liz
    2h ago
    You feel me, Ame!
    Chest bump, fist bump, high five. 🙂

    Sis-tah! lol!

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  90. Ame says:

    Liz
    More Lizstory- My new (used, but new to me) snow blower works great!
    Swept the “dusting” off my car (over a foot thick, Larry!!), moved it to a sunny spot on the driveway, slipped on some black ice and landed on my tailbone (again?!?). Hope this isn’t going to turn into a yearly habit. Think it was just bruised this time, definitely not broke. But it’s annoying. I don’t like purposeless discomfort.

    do they make wearable tailbone cushions?! lol!

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  91. Ame says:

    BG – b g

    Liz

    “I cannot imagine how cool it would’ve been to have a grandparent help out to watch our boys even for a few hours.”

    LOL, that’s how my wife and myself were adopted by the Sweetie and the Kiddo. We had known their parents for years, basically walking with the dogs in the woods, and hunting mushrooms with the wife who is from Bavaria and so was used to doing so.

    They owned a business, but their partner embezzled much of the capital just as they had the Sweetie. They had to scramble to save the company, both largely had to work or it would have failed. Both grandmothers has Alzheimer’s, so we ended up being babysitters for both children during working hours both as babes then as toddlers. I can still hear the stomping of little feet stampeding up the basement steps excitedly announcing .”We’re here!” with the dog charging down the stairs to welcome them ;-D

    awww! BG … that’s … that’s beautiful … made my heart pitter patter!

    and the sound of little feet … ain’t nothin’ like it, is there 🙂

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  92. Ame says:

    you know … that poor kid is gonna have to change his name. that mom should be in prison for life without access to kids or knowledge of new names.

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  93. Stephanie says:

    “We were married for years before she took her picture down from the wall…and there were none of me. 😆”

    LOL… was that the one with the hair?!?!

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  94. Ame says:

    a little bit of a rant re the convo with Sis-tah Liz! lol!

    i always got (get) a bit miffed when people think i should have/should do more, with my kids, as a mom, etc, when they have their parents helping them, watching their kids, cleaning their house, giving them money, buying them cars, houses even … when i’ve done it all on my own … while protecting them from their dad and fighting to protect them from the school system (which he fully supported and ALWAYS took the side of regardless of the facts).

    there’s really only so much one person can do, so you have to prioritize. my kids mental and physical health was priority. would it have been nice to do all those fun things? sure! but since i couldn’t clone myself, i did the best i could with what i had (have).

    Liz moving three little boys every.single.year … new schools … new friends … (babysitters is a HUGE deal!) … seriously. people need to just get outside their own worlds sometimes.

    okay … need to find Richard’s link … need to do the dishes … want to watch the Astros tonight (ohhh, i hope they win this one!!!)

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  95. Farm Boy says:

    Jo Nova yesterday had a post on the disappearing “Very Hot Days” graph from the BoM website (see below). Jo made the salient points that there is no meaningful trend across the 105 years record

    http://catallaxyfiles.com/2019/10/25/global-warming-is-producing-fewer-very-hot-days/

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  96. Farm Boy says:

    Vice President Mike Pence minced no words when criticizing the NBA for their cowardice in not defending free speech. During a speech at The Wilson Center yesterday, Pence dunked in the face of the league when he said that the NBA was a “wholly-owned subsidiary of China.”

    https://pjmedia.com/trending/pence-the-nba-is-a-wholly-owned-subsidiary-of-china/

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  97. Farm Boy says:

    Remember When Alcoholic, Pot-Addled Throuple-Threat Young-Underling-Seducer Katie Hill Attacked Lindsey Graham For Defending Brett Kavanaugh By Asking, “What are you afraid of? What’s in your past?”

    http://ace.mu.nu/archives/383962.php

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  98. RichardP says:

    @Stephanie – from the Privilege thread:

    Richard!! We always seem to disagree lol!!!

    That is what I like about you. Makes me double-check my thought processes. I’ve said here many times that I like enthusiastic women. Enthusiam shows itself in many different ways. And I hope your morning sickness has gotten better.

    I don’t want to start a discussion about the washing with the word issue (because I’m not trying to win an argument), but I do have some questions for you to consider and a comment or two Re. the wording at the following link. All questions are rhetorical.

    Ephesians 5:25-28

    Meant only as a comment on logic and reading comprehension:

    … as Christ loved the Church … So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies.

    (Do those words say because Christ loved the Church … or do they say … in the same way that Christ loved the Church …)

    1. In what way are men to love their wives? In the same way that Christ loves the Church? The answer here is “no” – because the words in those verses tell us in what way men ought to love their wives Men ought to love their wives as their own bodies. Those are the words that actually show up in these verses. Nowhere in the words at that link do you find a requirement for men to love their wives in the same way, in the same manner, with the same behaviors, as Christ loves the Church. Just the simple acknowledgement that, because Christ loves the church, men should love their wives. Love how? Love as their own bodies.

    2. If one thinks that these words tell husbands to love their wives in the exact same way that Christ loves the Church, then I can see how one could think these words tell husband to cleanse his wife with the washing of water by the word. But, if this is a correct interpretation, then husband must also sanctify his wife – because these words tell us that this is also how Christ loves the Church. I don’t think humans can sanctify each other as Christ sanctifies the Church. Therefore, if we think we don’t have to sactify our wives, why do we think we have to cleanse them?

    3. Based on the verses linked to above, how frequently does Christ cleanse the Church with the washing of water by the word? Just once, so it should be good forever (except for the wives of course)? This question is never answered when discussing these scriptures, because it is never asked. But – if husband is to love wife with the exact same behaviors that Christ loves the Church, and if this is the logic for husband being responsible for cleansing his wife with the washing of water by the word, then shouldn’t the husband do this washing with the same frequency as Christ washes the Church?

    a. If Christ washes the Church only once, then husband needs to wash his wife only once?

    b. If Christ washes the Church weekly, then husband needs to wash his wife weekly?

    But, wait. Wife is part of the Church, as is husband. If Christ is washing the Church weeklly, that means Christ is washing the husband’s wife weekly. But she gets so dirtied up by the middle of the week that husband has to wash her? And then Christ can wash her again on the weekend?

    c. If Christ washes the Church in an on-going, continuous, moment by moment thing – think that through in terms of its implications re. the husband need to also wash his wife.

    (And what if Christ cleansing the Church is an on-going, continuous, moment by moment thing? Think that through in terms of its implications re. the previous paragraph.)

    Plus, Christ is washing husband. Does husband not get dirty between washings? Only the wife? And if the husband does get dirty between the washings of the Church, it is OK that he stays dirty (direty, even as he is washing his wife) until the next Church washing by Christ? Who washes the husband between Christ’s washing of the Church? And if husband doesn’t have to be washed, why does wife? Is God’s covering protection different for women than it is for men? Think through carefully the implications of your answers to these questions.
    —–

    This is what logic is. The carrying out many steps into the future the consequences of the behavior under consideration. And these are the steps that follow if we think that those verses are requiring husband to love his wife in exactly the same way as Christ loves the Church. If you think my comments make no sense, then you must consider the premise from which my comments are derived, and the questions I am asking. If my comments make no sense, it is because the premise itself makes no sense.

    As I said in my initial post on the other thread, read the words at the link above carefully. Follow the sentence construction and the clauses. There are no words there that say husbands are to cleanse their wives as Christ cleanses the Church. There are only words there that say husband is to love his wife (because Christ loves the Church) and love her as his own body.

    None of these comments should be interpreted to mean that I am commenting about the husband being the head of the wife. I’m only discussing a proper dissection of the sentence structures in the verses at the link above.

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  99. RichardP says:

    Should have deleted the paragraph in parenthesis after Point 2(c) in the post above.

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  100. RichardP says:

    Gahh … Point 3(c).

    Surrounded by wildfires. Smoke all over the place. Concentration not what it should be.

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  101. Liz says:

    Stephanie…Yep, Hair Girl. 😆

    Liz moving three little boys every.single.year … new schools … new friends … (babysitters is a HUGE deal!) … seriously. people need to just get outside their own worlds sometimes.

    Thanks sistah Ame, you rock!
    It was tough, but life is good.
    We can REALLY appreciate good times…
    not so possible if we don’t have those trying times.
    🙂

    Mike just sent a message that they got an elk!
    Can I hear a “whew” 😆
    II didn’t share a message yesterday that he sent which was something along the lines of, “We’re like a bunch of blind people trying to find ourselves around this area with a cane”
    It’s really a steep learning curve for South Florida people (even hard core spear fishermen, which they are).
    Anyway, I expect getting this heavy carcass out of the area will be super-challenging.
    Fortunately, the bears are probably hibernating right now (knock on wood).

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  102. Stephanie says:

    1. I think we just have to agree to disagree on this point.

    2. The answer seems extremely complicated. I’m not sure I’m the best one to answer that for you (theologically). It makes sense in my mind, but putting that into words is more difficult.

    3. That’s a very complicated set of questions! The only thing I resonate with understanding… is, “who should wash the husband?”

    The wife can’t, “wash,” the husband because he’s supposed to be in authority over her, it just doesn’t work that way, even if technically she can help him advance spiritually through their oneness and interactions together bringing them closer to what God wants for them.

    But having that authority implied in, “washing him with the word,” just doesn’t work… even Abigail, who was married to Nabal (a serious fool!) wasn’t capable of, “washing,” him and helping him sort out his foolishness. There’s seriously only so much a wife can do – that’s why she needs to pick wisely and carefully.

    Abigail *was* able to influence King David through petition, not to go murder Nabal and all the males in the household (something that would have been sinful and foolish on David’s part). But that was VERY different. The entire way she went about it was extremely submissive and respectful. Feminists love to use Abigail as an example of standing up to a husband/man in a feminist, “You go girl!” way, but nothign could be further from the Truth. She fell face down before him, knelt at his feet, and was in submission to him and showed him honor in order to get him to listen to her. It was her humility and deference that gave her sway over King David’s actions (and eventually his heart). Not her moxie.

    I wrote a couple of posts on Abigail, debunking those feminist myths. Hope that helps.

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  103. Stephanie says:

    Something important that women should probably learn early on (before marriage), is to let their husbands fail. All husbands will fail at some point at something, it’s better to be real about that, expect it at some point, and honor him even when he does fail at something.

    Failure is usually the best teacher, and you can see lots of examples of that in the Bible where the women following allowed their husbands to fail without berating them about it or insisting they take the reigns, etc… even when the husband’s leadership wasn’t in the most, “correct,” or even legitimately wise direction.

    Allowing them to fail acknowledges you have faith in them, and honors them as the leader with the authority to make those decisions. I think it probably helps men feel the weight of responsibility more, too, to figure things out for the next time because they know they want/need to succeed eventually.

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  104. Farm Boy says:

    NEW YORK, NY—In an inspiring story from the world of professional cycling, a motorcyclist who identifies as a bicyclist has crushed all the regular bicyclists, setting an unbelievable world record.

    https://babylonbee.com/news/motorcycle-that-identifies-as-bicycle-sets-world-cycling-record

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  105. BuenaVista says:

    Yes, I’ve been camping since Labor Day. Though I checked into a motel today to watch the World Series this weekend, haha.

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  106. Ame says:

    Thanks sistah Ame, you rock!
    It was tough, but life is good.
    We can REALLY appreciate good times…
    not so possible if we don’t have those trying times.

    agree. i’m always amazed at how much pure joy my girls receive in simple things. i think they’ll want ‘more’ or ‘better’ or ‘bigger’ … but the simple things make them so happy. i think that’s b/c they know what ‘tough’ is like.

    – – –

    congrats to Mike and gang on the elk! now they get to create another fun story about how they got it out of there 🙂

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  107. Ame says:

    Surrounded by wildfires. Smoke all over the place. Concentration not what it should be.

    oh, Richard … i hope y’all are okay. i don’t watch the news, so i didn’t know.

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  108. Stephanie says:

    Looks really scary :/

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  109. Ame says:

    Richard … Christ only had to die for us once. salvation is a one-time thing.

    but we continuously need to be forgiven … we continuously ‘work out’ our salvation … and, imo, we continuously need to be ‘washed.’ i know that i’m often ‘washed’ and ‘refreshed’ just by simply reading the Bible. it’s a process. not a one-and-done.

    so, foundationally, i don’t agree with you on this.

    – – –

    curious … this seems to come from a pov of wanting to offset the legalistic, abusive patriarchy (not what the manosphere patriarchy is talking about) … the men who believe they are dictator-god and expect immediate, uncontested, never-questioned, robot-like, obedience, because they are to ‘cleanse’ their wives and make them ‘holy,’ totally missing the part of love – loving themselves and loving their wives … the balance.

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  110. Ame says:

    oh, gosh! just watched that fire clip, Stephanie.

    Richard … really hope you and yours are okay. i know fires are common in california. with the politics, fires, earthquakes … i’m sincerely curious, what keeps you there?

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  111. Farm Boy says:

    Snowflake students at Oxford University are latest to demand clapping is banned because applause noise could trigger anxiety as they call for ‘jazz hands’ to be used instead

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7605991/Snowflake-students-Oxford-University-latest-demand-clapping-banned.html

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  112. Farm Boy says:

    But when the school made images using the photos of these athletes, something went wrong. The photos highlighting white female athletes included quotes saying what they want to be in the future.

    “I am a future doctor,” reads the quote from Chelsey Christensen.

    “I am a future corporate financer,” reads the quote from CJ Kovac.

    But the images featuring African-American athletes don’t include information about their futures. Arielle Mack’s photo quote reads: “I am an African American woman.” Caulin Graves’ quote says, “I am a brother.”

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/mizzou-steps-in-it-again-this-time-with-failed-diversity-stunt-involving-white-and-black-athletes

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  113. texinole says:

    If you would care to expand on “dumb”, I’m happy to be improved. At this point, whoever you are, you’re advocating for “talking it out” the next time someone threatening your child’s life is encountered on an empty street. Do extend your lecture to how police just need more training in sensitive verbal responses to deadly force.

    Dumb meaning this point wasn’t well thought out. I’ll concede I might’ve read too much into intended hyperbole but you said the “only acceptable man” is a violent sadist – ie one who enjoys inflicting pain (“happily kill”).

    Your assumptions about my overall attitude re self-defense and policing are off-base. In these two comments you’ve painted a world with only two types of men: gleefully violent killers and soy-sipping softies. I’d suggest the vast majority of men are neither and rather hope to avoid violence, defensive or otherwise. So teaching your daughter to embrace “let’s you and him fight” as a pairing strategy strikes me as well…dumb and vicious.

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  114. BuenaVista says:

    You make at least three false assertions, so we’re done here. I don’t defend against someone’s strawmen accusations. You’ll have to accuse someone else of things that he never expressed.

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