Red Pill Movie Review — Joker


Here is an introduction,

 

 

Regular reader BV does the heavy lifting,

Imagine a child who is routinely abused emotionally and physically. Commonplace, right? Now imagine what happens to the child’s mind when the only adults he knows tell him/her his parents are saints and selfless. To me this is gaslighting. What is black is white, what is bad is good. Self-obliteration, or perhaps the obliteration of the gaslighter, are the only ways out. The gaslighter may wish for his victim to suicide out. That may be the perp’s projection, but it is real.

Joker was raised by a delusional, self-justifying monster who beat him, chained him, starved him (Phoenix must have lost 75 lbs for that role) and told him she loved him and by golly he loved her or else. She lies about his very origin — on two levels. (I’m trying not to spoil the movie.) So in middle age Joker still worships her, bathes her, soothes her. She has successfully gaslighted him. He wants to die. Everything that is bad he now requires himself to believe is good, but none of it is; it doesn’t add up. As he notes, he has never passed a single day in his life when he was happy. But his choices were to honor his mother and the house of lying cards she constructed for the two of them, or reject every element of what he was trained to believe.

Almost by accident, Joker severs his chains (which he loves, as they are all he has known), transcends his gaslighting. This is unfortunate for many other people, who preferred him drugged, ill and groveling. (They dead.) He no longer wishes himself dead. He wishes to claim his humanity at the expense of those who have denied his. This is a problem for Gotham.

I have not seen it yet, but I trust BV’s analysis.  I will go see it though, driven by many factors.  First, all of the correct people hate it.  Second, there seems to be a story.  Third, there actually seems to be characters.  It is getting more and more difficult to find flicks with the last two.

If you have seen it, please chime in below.

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80 comments on “Red Pill Movie Review — Joker
  1. Ame says:

    as Oldest and i talked about this today, along with BV’s brilliant comments, she mentioned that she plans to see it when it comes out online … although she did add that*I* do NOT need to see it! lol! she can handle things that i can’t … and she knows what those things are and lets me know 🙂

    and there’s the beauty of a cycle broken … my daughter can watch it. yes, it will affect her, and yes, she did go through a lot of this with her Dad and his parents, but she also knew she had me to protect her from them and to give her a very safe place with truth and perspective.

    when i was in therapy all those years ago i had a fearful, freaked out, “What if ____ happens to my daughters?!!!”

    and he calmly replied that they will be fine because i will not deny the truth of what happened and will help them out of it quickly.

    there is power in the Truth.

    as BV wrote:

    Now imagine what happens to the child’s mind when the only adults he knows tell him/her his parents are saints and selfless. To me this is gaslighting. What is black is white, what is bad is good. Self-obliteration, or perhaps the obliteration of the gaslighter, are the only ways out. The gaslighter may wish for his victim to suicide out. That may be the perp’s projection, but it is real.

    but when that child has an adult who loves them tell them the Truth, even if they cannot be removed from it, they have a great chance of having a healthy mind.

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  2. […] Imagine a child who is routinely abused emotionally and physically. Commonplace, right? Now imagine what happens to the child’s mind when the only adults he knows tell him/her his parents are saints and selfless. To me this is gaslighting. What is black is white, what is bad is good. Self-obliteration, or perhaps the obliteration of the gaslighter, are the only ways out. The gaslighter may wish for his victim to suicide out. That may be the perp’s projection, but it is real. […]

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  3. Farm Boy says:

    there’s the beauty of a cycle broken

    Yes there is

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  4. Cheque d'Out says:

    Since my missus left I’ve bought a motorbike, got a dog, had a threesome, and blown thousands on drink, drugs and gambling.

    She’ll be livid when she gets in from work

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  5. Cheque d'Out says:

    Not that I hold RT as my source of choice for stories about the West
    https://www.rt.com/news/470579-boeing-new-generation-plane-cracks-wing/

    An urgent worldwide inspection of Boeing 737 NG models has found that some 36 aircraft had cracks in a structure connecting the plane’s wings to its fuselage. The US’s Southwest Airlines and Brazil’s GOL have grounded 13 jets.

    The Next Generation or NG model is an older but nonetheless popular version of the 737, with hundreds of the jetliners operated by airlines worldwide. The inspection ordered by the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) examined 686 planes that made more than 35,000 flights cumulatively, and found 5 percent of them had cracks in their pickle fork, a component that helps attach the wing and serves as a primary load bearing element.

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  6. Cheque d'Out says:

    Curiously…realistic. Made by the ABBC(!)

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  7. Cheque d'Out says:

    Strong independent woman #1

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  8. Cheque d'Out says:

    Strong independent woman #2

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  9. Cheque d'Out says:

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  10. Farm Boy says:

    So why does Lying Liz keep adding to her ledger of lies? Wasn’t her Cherokee ancestry fraud humiliating enough?

    It’s because Liz Warren needs to be a victim of something. Democrats are so enamored of identity politics that this blue-eyed, blond-haired white woman thinks she has too much privilege. To connect with her far-left base, she needs to have some good ol’ oppression as part of her story. So even though the Cherokee story flopped, she tried to pass off a tale of female victimization. After all, it was so long ago — who’s gonna check, right?

    https://victorygirlsblog.com/liz-warren-tells-another-heap-big-whopper/

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  11. Farm Boy says:

    Thanks to her, everyone has her emails – the Russians, the Iranians, the Germans, the Chinese, the Saudis, the French… It would be easier and quicker to list the countries that don’t: I believe Kiribati doesn’t have them, and Montenegro only has about twelve per cent.

    https://www.steynonline.com/9773/she-with-her

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  12. Cheque d'Out says:

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  14. Cheque d'Out says:

    Brutal. Nice work, Brillo

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  15. Cheque d'Out says:

    It’s nice to have independent sources of sensible reporting

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  16. Cheque d'Out says:

    Nepotism sure does pay good

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  18. Farm Boy says:

    The current situation in Washington is, in the language of poker, a bluff. The Democrats are bluffing; they have only weak cards in their hand. They actually have nothing against Trump. That’s all they have ever had

    https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2019/10/the_bluffpeachment.html

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  19. Farm Boy says:

    LGBT activists yelled, “trans women are women” and had several speakers lecture on gender diversity. On the other side, the conservative group Concerned Women of America pressed that changing the meaning of “sex” in the Civil Rights Act “would greatly undermine the women’s movement.”

    https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/kharen-martinez-murcia/lgbt-activists-outside-supreme-court-trans-women-are-women

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  20. Farm Boy says:

    President Trump weighed in for the first time Wednesday on the ongoing NBA-China debacle by publicly shaming two high-profile coaches for “pandering to China.”

    Championship-winning coaches Steve Kerr and Gregg Popovich, said Trump, refuse to voice criticism of Communist China’s oppressive policies but seem to have no such hesitations about talking “very badly” about the U.S

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/trump-shames-nba-coaches-for-pandering-to-china

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  21. Farm Boy says:


    Security farce at London City Airport: Why WAS a partially-BLIND Extinction Rebellion activist who’d already been arrested for drone plot allowed to climb on top of a BA jet and glue himself to it?

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7556855/Extinction-Rebellion-eco-mob-threaten-chaos-travellers-London-City-airport.html

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  22. Cill says:

    FB 10 October, 2019 at 4:35 pm

    LGBT activists yelled, “trans women are women” and had several speakers lecture on gender diversity. On the other side, the conservative group Concerned Women of America pressed that changing the meaning of “sex” in the Civil Rights Act “would greatly undermine the women’s movement.”

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

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  23. Cheque d'Out says:

    This was always my philosophy when playing squash; never whine that his serve is too good, learn how to beat it

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  24. Girl defeated by balloon. 🙂 And the balloon appears to be intact on the ground, so it didn’t even pop and maybe, maybe pink her eye a smidge.

    What does that eagle film show other than really pretty countryside?

    3 minutes of Andrew Neil showed they sent an idiot to talk to him armed only with utter bullshit.

    100 years ago 500, 000 people died each year from weather related causes and now its 20,000 a year? Yeah, you can fuck right off now, Xero Lumens.

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  25. Liz says:

    I must say, since that South Park episode it is gratifying to see how public opinion is so heavily against the Chinese government now.
    I mean, it’s gratifying and also a bit troubling…considering they’ve been committing mass espionage, harvesting organs from human rights activists, committing genocide, polluting the land, sky, and oceans, selling faulty products as planned obsolescence is their entire market strategy, exporting poison under the guise of “food” and “medicine”….the list goes on.
    But that was all okay until South Park did their episode.
    Still…
    Very very gratifying to see it happen at long last
    Mike was ahead of his time when he refused to shake the hands of those PRC representatives. Who were at a military installation because Obama invited them, and Hillary was supposed to win.
    [/Liz rant]

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  27. Farm Boy says:

    “This is a movement that is totally leaderless and decentralized,” says Denise Ho, a Hong Kong–based singer and pro-democracy activist. “[Youth activists] have used…the tools on the Internet to really find a newer way to organize this sort of movement and to really sustain it in the longer term.”

    https://reason.com/video/how-hong-kong-protesters-combat-the-surveillance-state/

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  28. Farm Boy says:

    Addressing the important issues

    Senator Elizabeth Warren called for placing transgender prisoners in detention facilities designed for the opposite biological sex in a new LGBTQ rights plan released Thursday

    https://www.nationalreview.com/news/warren-calls-for-imprisoning-trans-women-with-biological-women-in-new-lgbtq-rights-plan/

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  29. Farm Boy says:

    U.S.—The NBA has found itself at odds with its lucrative Chinese market, and the league is doing its best to appease the Chinese government. In a move intended to patch things up with China, the NBA announced that President Xi Jinping has made the All-Star team this year.

    The president will tower under the competition at an intimidating 5’11”. Especially threatening to the opposing team will be the president’s ability to imprison or execute any player who dunks on him. He is also expected to execute players on his own team who speak out against him or suggest he’s unfit for the basketball team.

    Oppressed Chinese citizens will be forced to form a human pyramid that the president can climb up in order to dunk on the baskets. He is expected to play all the positions and be named the MVP.

    https://babylonbee.com/news/president-xi-makes-nba-all-star-team

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  30. Farm Boy says:

    Unlike some other businesses and corporations, South Park and Comedy Central aren’t afraid of offending Communist China. In fact, they doubled down in Wednesday night’s episode “SHOTS!!!” by having a major character shout, “[Bleep] the Chinese government!”

    https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/culture/alexa-moutevelis-coombs/2019/10/09/south-park-puts-nba-shame-says-f-chinese-government

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  31. Farm Boy says:

    The 2020 Democratic candidate with whom the CIA whistleblower had a “professional” tie is Joe Biden, according to intelligence officers and former White House officials.

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/joe-biden-worked-with-whistleblower-when-he-was-vice-president-officials-reveal

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  32. Ame says:

    the conservative group Concerned Women of America pressed that changing the meaning of “sex” in the Civil Rights Act “would greatly undermine the women’s movement.”

    so … men identify as women … try out feminism from a ‘woman’s’ pov … decide feminism sucks … convince the rest of the men, and women, they’ve been deceived … back to patriarchy! 🙂

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  33. Farm Boy says:

    What “Joker” indicts is moral relativism.

    Consciously or not, the film makes some implicit arguments, including an argument for compassion and community and against moral relativism and indifference. Here we have a profile of a disturbed man sliding into psychosis who gets no help from anyone—not least the government social worker who’s supposed to be helping him. It’s set in a city simmering with hatred and violence, where basic government services like trash collection have broken down.

    But “Joker” is really an opportunity for an altogether different dialogue about the role of families, about what people need most in life, about what makes for civic comity and solidarity. What it suggests, however unintentionally, is that maybe the best way to fend off the kind alienation and frustration that beset Arthur Fleck is with an intact family, a loving mother and a father.

    Maybe the thing people need most in life is friendship and love and community. Maybe we need to rethink the way we’ve torn down the institutions and traditions that used to support these things.

    https://thefederalist.com/2019/10/05/why-liberal-media-hates-the-joker/?dg

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  34. Farm Boy says:

    Titled “MENstruation,” the ad for “Period-Proof Underwear” opens with an anguished young teenage boy sheepishly telling his dad, “I think I got my period.”

    https://iotwreport.com/tv-networks-to-air-commercial-depicting-menstruating-men-and-boys/

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  35. Farm Boy says:

    A university professor deemed the beloved cartoon “SpongeBob Squarepants” “violent,” “racist,” and “insidious” in a scholarly article.

    The professor argues that the cartoon is involved in the “occupation” of native lands, and that the show participates in “cultural appropriation” by way of its island motif.

    https://campusreform.org/?ID=13844

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  36. Cheque d'Out says:

    Love this guy’s videos. Here he covers Operation Pedestal. I mentioned this some months back as it was the basis of ‘Malta Story’, a British war film.
    Very definitely recommend this video

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  37. Farm Boy says:

    I think that the Pedestal convoy is a great story. It would make a great movie.

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  38. Farm Boy says:

    A recent local city government meeting in Oak Park — which lies just outside of Chicago, Illinois — devolved into an angry board member silencing her opponents because they have “been white from birth!” The only thing is that trustee Susan Buchanan, who refused to let anyone else speak on the question of rewriting the town’s diversity statement, is herself white.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/city-diversity-meeting-ends-chaos-white-males-banned-speaking

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  39. Farm Boy says:

    Yet on Thursday, former Rep. Beto O’Rourke (D-Texas) said he would strip tax-exempt status from any religious organization that supports traditional marriage, defined as one man and one woman.

    https://pjmedia.com/faith/beto-vows-to-strip-tax-exempt-status-from-churches-that-oppose-gay-marriage/

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  40. Farm Boy says:

    CNN moderator Chris Cuomo on Thursday night mocked the practice of sharing one’s personal pronouns during an exchange with Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Kamala Harris (Calif.) at a town hall on gay rights.

    Cuomo’s actions triggered outrage online, prompting him to swiftly apologize on Twitter.

    https://freebeacon.com/politics/chris-cuomo-mocks-personal-pronouns-at-gay-rights-town-hall/

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  41. Farm Boy says:

    U.S.—A new study found that support for impeaching President Trump would rise significantly if someone, anyone could just tell people what crime Trump is supposed to have committed.

    https://babylonbee.com/news/study-finds-more-people-would-support-impeachment-if-anyone-had-the-slightest-idea-what-crime-trump-is-supposed-to-have-committed

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  42. RichardP says:

    It’s that time of year again in Los Angeles, when women demonstrate how much they want to be firefighters by fighting to be the first responders such are shown here. from the Babbling Bee

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  43. RichardP says:

    You will see mention of 100,000 people affected. That is actually the number of people evacuated as of about 6:00 this morning. The winds died down overnight, and have picked back up pretty good – so that figure is probably higher by now.

    Pictures 1

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  44. RichardP says:

    These pictures are for later on when you get bored and want to look at some pictures. This fire is spread out on the south side of the mountain ranger from east to west that forms the norther border of the San Fernando Valley. I’m in the middle, so not much affected by this until the wind changes and blows the smoke over me.

    Pictures 2

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  45. Farm Boy says:

    Some women now are apparently using toothpaste in an attempt to try and tighten their vaginas.

    Unsurprisingly, doctors are warning them it’s a really bad idea and could do some nasty damage

    https://nypost.com/2019/10/11/doctors-warn-women-not-to-use-toothpaste-to-tighten-their-vaginas/

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  46. Farm Boy says:

    The real trouble came when the discussion turned to transgenderism. All of the candidates tried their best to pretend that they actually believe in the radical Left’s various superstitions regarding sex and gender. I’m not sure if their performances were convincing to leftists, but from the perspective of sane and normal people, it teetered between awkward and downright horrifying. On the awkward side of things, Kamala Harris opened up by giving her preferred pronouns. This is a sacred ritual in gender studies lecture halls across the country, but everyone else just finds it ridiculous. Even Chris Cuomo couldn’t help but crack a joke. “Fredo” promptly apologized, but there’s a reason why he instinctively responded the way he did. Introducing yourself with your pronouns is objectively bizarre. Only those who have been thoroughly brainwashed ahead of time can manage to keep a straight face when confronted by such silliness.

    On the horrifying end of the spectrum, Elizabeth Warren came out in favor of forcing taxpayers to fund genital mutilation procedures for incarcerated transgenders. This is a reversal of her position only a few years ago. Indeed, every single one of these candidates have undergone a sudden and dramatic transformation on the issue of sex and gender. They all spent almost their entire adult lives believing that sex is an immutable and biological characteristic. If you could go back in time to the year 2004 and ask any of them — Warren, Sanders, O’Rourke, whomever — whether men have penises, they would look at you with stunned bemusement and then say something like, “What? Yes, obviously.” They probably would have given you that answer in 2008, 2012, and maybe even 2016. It’s only in the last couple of years that all prominent Democrats in the country have decided that men can menstruate and woman can produce sperm

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/walsh-applauding-child-abuse-denying-science-the-democrats-put-their-insanity-and-cruelty-on-display-last-night

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  47. Farm Boy says:

    On the awkward side of things, Kamala Harris opened up by giving her preferred pronouns.

    Shameless hussey will do

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  48. Cheque d'Out says:

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  49. BuenaVista says:

    The Liz: “But that was all okay until South Park did their episode.”

    This is a concise summary why it is not okay for Vichy Cons and the loony libertarians, in their sanctimonious nobility, to forfeit popular, academic and media environments to the Lefties. If South Park is Liberty for Dummies, well fine. Hope they amp it up.

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  50. Don’t forget to brush…

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  51. Farm Boy says:

    Investigative journalist Ronan Farrow has accused NBC News executives of being aware of multiple other misconduct allegations against former Today host Matt Lauer and arranging other settlement agreements years before his firing in 2017. Farrow’s new book, Catch and Kill, revealed the complaint behind Lauer’s firing–one of his colleagues accused him of rape at the Sochi Olympics in 2014.
    When Lauer was fired in 2017, NBC News Chairman Andrew Lack called it the “first complaint about his behavior in the over 20 years” Lauer had been at the company. Farrow has now disputed that, telling Good Morning America on Friday: “What we show in this book, with a paper trail, with documents, was that there were multiple secret settlements and nondisclosures being struck with women at NBC News.” He went on to say there were seven nondisclosure agreements struck with women at NBC News, adding: “Multiple ones of those were with Matt Lauer accusers. This is years before this [Sochi] incident with Brooke Nevils and the firing, and I spoke to senior executives who were told about those earlier incidents.”

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/ronan-farrow-nbc-knew-of-multiple-other-matt-lauer-allegations-years-before-his-firing

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  52. BuenaVista says:

    FB quotes The Federalist (which I read daily — FB and I seem to visit the same neighborhoods):

    “What it suggests, however unintentionally, is that maybe the best way to fend off the kind alienation and frustration that beset Arthur Fleck is with an intact family, a loving mother and a father.”

    Candidly, I think this trivializes the movie. Sure, Arthur has been denied the bonds of family and community (well, except when his mother shackled him to a radiator — that’s bonds of family eh?). But it’s not a Mommie Dearest movie. This is not some post-WWII modernist Freudian dramatization of mother denying love. That’s just the part that damaged him.

    I think it is a movie about roiling, hidden, seething rage of people who came in 5th or 10th or last in the Winner Take All Olympics. I don’t agree with this POV, because I don’t think we let people like Wayne determine our value. And we don’t let smarmy pop culture winners like Murray Franklin determine our values. And we don’t let do-nothing politicians who breed rats in the street by not collecting garbage … etc. etc.

    Note that when Franklin ridicules Arthur in his first mention on the show (the one that led to Arthur’s invitation to appear) the unplanned response to Franklin’s ridicule was audience approval.

    So this movie is dangerous because the cultural arbiters, the economic and political arbiters, are overruled by people who are not invited to benefits at the NY Public Library (that’s where the scene with Wayne was shot). This is unfortunate for Phoenix because I cannot imagine a more deserving performance for an Oscar.

    And so this isn’t a conservative call for better families and communities. I think that observation trivializes a much more confusing and compelling story.

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  53. Farm Boy says:


    FB quotes The Federalist (which I read daily — FB and I seem to visit the same neighborhoods):

    Our parents grew up only 75 miles or so from each other.

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  54. Farm Boy says:

    I think it is a movie about roiling, hidden, seething rage of people who came in 5th or 10th or last in the Winner Take All Olympics.

    Well, I can’t argue with that

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  55. Farm Boy says:

    Perhaps the Joker is about many things, most of which liberals are uncomfortable with.

    Though they can’t articulate what really is bugging them without sounding uncaring/arrogant/dumb/hypocritical/contradictory.

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  56. BuenaVista says:

    As always, CdO brings the heat with the SS Ohio story. What a beautiful vessel in the yard in Chester PA (just outside Philly).

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  57. Farm Boy says:

    Slate: Joe Biden Was “Weirdly Gay-Acting”At LGBTQ Town Hall, “Flirted with Multiple Men,” Pretended He Was About to Kiss Anderson Cooper

    http://ace.mu.nu/archives/383729.php

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  58. Farm Boy says:

    So appealing

    About 90 minutes into Thursday’s forum on LGBTQ issues in Los Angeles, a gay rights leader posed a question to Sen. Elizabeth Warren: How would she respond if a voter approached her and said, “I’m old-fashioned, and my faith teaches me that marriage is between one man and one woman?”

    Warren (D-Mass.) responded with a theatrical seriousness. “Well, I’m going to assume it’s a guy who said that,” she deadpanned, pausing a beat for the audience to catch the joke. Then she added, “And I’m going to say, ‘Then just marry one woman — I’m cool with that.’ ”

    She finished with a zinger: “‘Assuming you can find one.’ ”

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/warrens-same-sex-marriage-quip-captures-what-some-find-exciting–and-others-distressing–about-her/2019/10/11/f3e15a14-ec34-11e9-85c0-85a098e47b37_story.html

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