Obama Stimulus


After the economic downturn of 2008, Obama had the big idea of an economic stimulus.  Historically, these kind of stimuli have focused on building roads, bridges, parks, airports, public buildings, etc.  Perhaps you can see the problem here. There just isn’t much for women directly.  Sure, they are flag-people on road crews, but most of the real work is done by the fellas.  Perhaps they are wives and girlfriends of these fellas, but well, that just wasn’t good enough.

Feminist types saw lots of money flowing and naturally they wanted some.   What better way to stick it to what was left o f the Patriarchy.  So the Obama Stimulus was amended to distribute money for research into women related issues and such.

There wasn’t too much fuss abut this allocation; probably because nobody of importance wanted a fight that they couldn’t win.  So, I am wondering what people really thought.  Did they, like myself, think the this was all a bunch of hooey?  Stimulus dollars are expected to go toward creating something for the public good.  I would think that Feminist Studies Grants would qualify here.

In the end, if appears that they pushed the Overton window forward a bit.  To the detriment of us all I would think.

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172 comments on “Obama Stimulus
  1. Farm Boy says:

    The government can hire fellas to dig ditches. It can hire others to fill them in. That would be a better use of tax money than giving money to feminist types

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  2. BuenaVista says:

    I’m unaware of a single, material completed project that can be observed, as a result of the $800 billion “stimulous.”

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  3. b g says:

    Apparently the link still works, It was a bloody disgrace. Feminist lobbying for billions of the stimulus money to be spent on women, the very group that had largely escaped the recession…and of course, that gutless wonder Obama caved in.

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  4. Adam says:

    After the economic downturn of 2008, Obama had the big idea of an economic stimulus. Historically, these kind of stimuli have focused on building roads, bridges, parks, airports, public buildings, etc. Perhaps you can see the problem here. There just isn’t much for women directly.

    That’s not the real problem. The problem is that these government make work projects do not stimulate the economy. Even worse, they devalue the economy. The reason put simply is that the money to pay for these projects is taken from private enterprise in the form of tax. If the money had not been taken then private enterprise could have reinvested the money to grow the businesses and thus produce more jobs. These would be considered permanent jobs. Jobs from government make believe work vanity projects only last as long as the project, or in some cases the money, lasts.

    The problem with doing it the proper way for politicians like Obama is that they cannot claim direct credit so easily. This is one of the reasons that Trump is such a good president. Apart from the wall he did not announce any vanity projects. In fact, one of the first things that he did was to lower the company tax rate.

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  5. b g says:

    The question comes down to how we are going to build or repair a bridge or maybe double a highway? Both are most likely going to be funded by the taxpayer; both are necessary. Can we as a society gain an additional advantage by doing so in a period where we face unemployment within those of our citizens that do such work?

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  6. Adam says:

    The question comes down to how we are going to build or repair a bridge or maybe double a highway? Both are most likely going to be funded by the taxpayer; both are necessary. Can we as a society gain an additional advantage by doing so in a period where we face unemployment within those of our citizens that do such work?

    Not only do we gain no additional advantage but the drawbacks are amplified across the entire economy, which makes the situation worse. For every localized temporary employment from building or repairing a road or bridge, the tax money raised to fund such activities reverberates nationwide. The US economy was in the doghouse when Trump took office, reeling from 8 years of Obama mandated socialism. Trump lowered corporate taxes, cut regulations and raised tariffs, so three years later you have the lowest unemployment rate since WWII.

    Policy makers worldwide have fallen victim to Keynesian economics; but Keynes was a fraud and his theories are hokum. You cannot indefinitely lower interest rates; all you do is impoverish your citizens by punishing savers.

    Say’s Law is the only thing that counts which simply states that supply creates its own demand. You can have infinite demand but without supply it does not work, (Africa is a good example here; there is a lot of demand but no supply.)

    What Say’s Law means is that when businesses invest in expanding then they must by definition hire more workers. The salaries that those newly employed workers receive then generate demand. The ability to purchase is demand, not the desire to purchase something.

    In short, governments need to get out of the way and let businesses do what they do best. Which is exactly what Trump has done.

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  7. Cheque d'Out says:

    Moggster fans should enjoy this

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  8. Cheque d'Out says:

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  9. Liz says:

    Went to a bbq cookout last night (guy Mike flew with…lives about an hour and a half away, the one who doesn’t get along with golfers). He’s a big time hunter and the home was like a hunting lodge with big game heads mounted on the walls (two kids in high school, very nice spouse). It was a very enjoyable evening. He didn’t tell us it was his 52nd birthday so there were a lot of people.
    He’d ordered some red plastic straws that say ‘Trump’. I didn’t even know they made those. 😆
    Several people were wearing the new 2020 Trump hats (these are a lot better looking than the old red ones). There were several Trump hats at a bar we went to Saturday night also. Think there are a lot more Trump supporters out there than watching the media would lead one to believe.

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  10. Liz says:

    One of the couples was retired airforce. His wife and she looked at me, and said, “I know you from somewhere” (I was thinking the same thing). We were stationed at the same base for a couple of years and our kids went to the same elementary school (New Mexico).
    Small world.

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  11. Liz says:

    It’s two words: See Nile. 😆

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  12. Liz says:

    One of the 2020 hats (there are others, this is the most common one I’ve seen):

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  13. Cill says:

    And a fine looking hat it would be.

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  14. Farm Boy says:

    Thousands of protesters took to the streets of Hong Kong on Sunday, according to Yahoo News, to deliver a message to the United States consulate: please help us “liberate” Hong Kong from the Chinese.

    The American flag has appeared regularly as part of the massive demonstrations that have occupied Hong Kong’s streets since mid-June, and protesters have often suggested that an American-style democracy is what they want — in stark contrast to their Chinese-controlled government.

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/51511/watch-pro-democracy-protesters-demand-president-emily-zanotti

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  15. Farm Boy says:

    At another point during the segment, Hogg demonized white people, suggesting that they were the primary drivers of gun violence in the U.S.

    “White people feel that it is more American to pick up a gun because you are afraid of what you don’t know than it is to actually explore what you don’t know and have the courage to actually address that,” Hogg said, adding, “because I would personally argue that peace is patriotic.”

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/51505/david-hogg-blames-violence-us-government-ryan-saavedra

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  16. Cheque d'Out says:

    The MacPeasants are revolting

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  17. Liz says:

    From that “Should you go to law school” book Mike read (and I am in the process of reading).
    It sounds like the problems that plague law schools (too many graduates for the market, salaries aren’t commensurate with the costs, and so forth) are similar to what ails all university programs. Difference is higher cost and time and effort investment.
    Only half of current law school graduates are acquiring jobs as lawyers, even if we define what counts as working as a lawyer in the post generous possible terms.
    The median salary for the national law school class of 2011 nine months after graduation was around $45,000. (the average debt of new law school graduates is 150,000)

    Some law schools, including some very highly ranked institutions, are putting 20 percent or more of their graduates into short-term low-paying school-funded “jobs”, to boost the schools’ reported graduate employment rates.
    Despite such shenanigans, one in every seven 2011 law school graduates was completely unemployed nine months after graduation.
    (snip)
    For a long time, law schools were able to hide the extent of that crisis, even from themselves, by publishing deeply misleading employment and salary statistics, which for example featured an employment rate that didn’t distinguish between a graduate with a job at a top law firm and one working part time at a coffee shop. These statistics also reported “average” salary numbers that failed to disclose what percentage-often a very small and unrepresentative percentage-of graduates those salary averages represented.

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  18. Cheque d'Out says:

    Ordered that hat
    https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07RT24ZNF
    Nice…

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  19. Farm Boy says:

    Therein lies the problem with Cancel Culture: once you buy into it, there is no winning, only an endless cycle of apologies, and shifting of the goal posts. In 2012, it was problematic for the firm’s CEO to wade into the marriage equality debate from the religious Right. If he now personally apologizes and attempts to reconcile, the protestors will invariably demand his resignation.

    Refusing to play into this charade, Chick-fil-A doesn’t desperately seek redemption from organizations wreathed in wokeness

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/51500/khachatrian-cancel-culture-comes-chicken-harry-khachatrian

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  20. RichardP says:

    @Adam:

    1. b.g. asked – how we are going to build or repair a bridge or maybe double a highway? Your response never did answer that question.

    2. …three years later you have the lowest unemployment rate since WWII.

    The government’s “unemployment rate” measures the number of people looking for work. It does not measure the number of people unemployed and not looking for work. The number of those looking for work might fall because the economy is gangbusters and everyone who wants a job has one. Or, it might fall because the economy is in the tank and folks give up looking for work – so they are not visible and cannot be measured. Thus, the unemployment rate is not a useful measure of the robustness of an economy.

    3. You can have infinite demand but without supply it does not work …

    You have made a theoretical statement – that is demonstrably irrelevant. In any society that grants its citizens the appropriate freedoms it is not likely that infinite demand would be met with a yawn. Rather, industrious folks are going to see that demand and find a way to satisfy it.

    On the other hand, we can have a huge supply (salt, for example), and demand for that supply will only rise to a certain level and no further. With infinite demand for something, and given the freedom to respond appropriately, industrious folks will not produce up to a certain level and stop. So long as the cost of production remains less than what the product can sell for, the effort to meet the infinite demand will also be infinite. Infinite supply of salt will not result in infinate demand for salt.

    4. Having stated Point 3, I do get your point that products cannot be purchased when no one has any money. Your solution is to employ folks, so they earn a wage and can purchase things. The fatal flaw in that logic is that the same end can be obtained by simply giving the people money. Because money is not the issue. Rather, purchasing power is. Whether wages, as a result of work, or money distributed to those who don’t work, in both cases you have given the folks purchasing power. With which they can buy things and stimulate demand. So, realistically, we don’t even need to give folks money. We need to give them purchasing power. Enter the world of loans and credit cards and Federal Reserve Notes not backed by gold.

    5. For the purposes of this point, let’s accept that we cannot have infinite growth of anything in a finite world. Having accepted that, let’s now ignore it for the purposes of this point. If you look carefully at the circumstances surrounding FDR and the depression, and if you are honest about what you see, you will see that the economic problems of that time revolved around the subject of purchasing power.

    Money is not king. Purchasing power is. Most economic analysis fails because the analysis fails to account for the truth of that. Human nature leads folks to acquire things (greed). Human nature leads folks to block others from having things (the will to power). Both of those manifestations of human nature will lead those who can to accumulate as much purchasing power for themselves and prevent others, as much as they can, from acquiring purchasing power. The discussions regarding this phenomenon are usually couched in terms of “money”. But when you substitute “purchasing power” for “money”, the true nature of the problem becomes more apparent. How can any form of government, no matter how benign, have a successful economy – where people buy things – when a few folks are allowed to take away the purchasing power of the masses?

    In FDRs time, that is what happened. A few folks had enormous amounts of money – just sitting in bank accounts. Not doing anything with it. Resulting in vast numbers of people having greatly reduced purchasing power. In the face of reduced purchasing power, how can one have a robust economy. On the other hand, distributing “purchasing power” through loans (credit) and grants (gifts of money), increase purchasing power. And the masses don’t generally lock that purchasing power up in bank accounts. Rather, they use it. What FDR attempted to do (folks vary on how successful he was) was redistribute purchasing power – to stimulate the purchase of products, which would in turn stimulate the production of products, which would put people to work.

    6. Part of Point 5, but separated out to make it more obvious, is the issue of wages. Adam, you posit that focusing on “supply” will create its own demand. But not when the workers are paid as little as possible. All this situation will do is enrich the folks who own the means of production, at the expense of those who do the labor. If you study economic history, you will find too many examples of this happening over time, in every country. The owner of the means of production creates a town around the factory, owns the houses, owns the stores and gas stations, owns everything in the town. Causes labor to work long hours so they have little free time. And with the low wages paid by the company owner, the laborer pays rent to the company for his house, buys food from the company-owned store, gas from the company-owned gas station, and spends leisure dollars on company-owned playthings (theaters, etc.)

    This Point 6 describes what happens when men are left to indulge their true natures. Those who can, contrive to control the means of production, pay low wages, and then recoup those low wages by owning most everything that the laborer can buy. This cycle does nothing to create a robust economy.

    7. The offshoring of American manufacturing jobs is a special case of Points 5 and 6. American companies create enormous amounts of supply – using workers in foreign lands. But American workers are no longer employed in the manufacture of that supply, and receive no wages from the manufacture of that supply, and so have greatly reduced purchasing power – which negatively affects their ability to purchase any part of that supply.

    Without regulation of some sort, owners of the means of production will go wherever the cost of production (buildings, machines, raw material, and wages) is lowest. Thereby reducing folks purchasing power as much as they can.

    8. Points 5-7 are problems that all governments must solve. Most of them fail. In a free-market economy, with no regulation of any sort and due to the human nature defined in this post, we will always end up with a few folks owning the majority of the wealth and the remainder of the wealth spread across the majority of the population. In a ruthless dictatorship, we end up with the dictator and his cronies owning most, if not all, of the wealth. That is why the benevolent dictator is the most workable solution. The wealth flows up to him. But he is “benevolent” because he is able to escape the worst of human nature as described in this post and distribute to his subjects a good deal of the wealth he has accumulated. This would be an example of Point 6, but with a higher standard of living for his subjects.

    Under the heading of benevolent dictator, we could find what has been in the past – where economies are local and not international. The “free-market” would apply to the village, or group of villages close to each other – where everyone is allowed to enjoy the fruits of their own labor. That form of capitalism disappeared when corporations and financial institutions were allowed to take over.

    9. This has not been a full discussion of the problems that need to be addressed when deciding how, then, shall we live together. But it identifies a few of the foundational problems that wreck economies and countries when they are not properly addressed. And people vary on what they think an appropriate solution is. That is, not all agree on what they answer is to allowing folks that ability to enjoy the fruits of their labor while ensuring that purchasing power does not aggregate into a few hands.

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  21. Cheque d'Out says:

    Yodel is a (mostly crap by reputation) parcel service

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  22. Farm Boy says:

    Ten years ago, in a TED talk, economist Paul Romer introduced the concept of charter cities, newly created municipalities governed by a nation other than the one in which its borders are contained. Writing in City Journal, Romer and Brandon Fuller described how charter cities would be set up: “A host country would provide land; a source country would provide residents; and a guarantor country would provide the assurance that the new city’s charter would be respected and enforced.” These cities, the theory held, could serve as models of good governance and wealth creation for their often poorly run host countries.

    https://www.city-journal.org/charter-cities

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  23. Cill says:

    I should invest in a new MAGA cap and wear it when serving as a people-follower. Trouble is, it might draw attention to me (as if my height and crim demeanor don’t do that already)

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  24. Ame says:

    Liz – i wonder … do they break any of those law stats into men/women?

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  25. Farm Boy says:

    I bought a Trump 2020 cap at a country store yesterday. As I walked out, a truck driving by gave me a friendly toot.

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  26. Ame says:

    Everything You Know About the Civil War is Wrong
    Jonathan Clark

    Nov 1, 2017 · 20 min read

    The Civil War is perhaps the most misunderstood event in the history of the United States while ironically, appears to be the single historical event most Americans believe they fully comprehend.

    View at Medium.com

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  27. Farm Boy says:

    NEW YORK, NY—Major League Baseball has banned all red baseball caps as “symbols of hate.”

    The league wanted to ensure that no one will feel uncomfortable, should they mistake the red hats of teams like the Angels, the Reds, the cardinals, and many others for a MAGA hat.

    “Effective immediately, there’s a $10,000 fine per player who wears a red cap during a game or in public,” said MLB Commissioner Rob Manfred. “We want every Major League Baseball game to feature a welcoming, inclusive atmosphere, and we can’t do that when people are being triggered by these red caps.”

    https://babylonbee.com/news/mlb-bans-hateful-red-baseball-caps

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  28. Trump hats are not so much about Trump himself, but about saying fuck you to SJWs who get the terrors when they see those 5 letters in that sequence.

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  29. Farm Boy says:

    When the Framers wrote of a free press, they meant printers like Benjamin Franklin and his brother, and anyone who wanted to distribute a pamphlet, as well as the small number of larger papers. Their idea of the free press looked a lot like a low-tech internet and had nothing in common with a handful of giant corporate monopolies declaring that they are a journalistic priesthood serving the public interest.

    Sanders’ proposal for a government-funded “non-profit civic funded media” is even worse. The First Amendment banned government interference with a free press. The socialist politician would like to replace it with a government press

    https://www.jewishpress.com/indepth/columns/daniel-greenfield/the-media-master-race/2019/09/05/

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  30. Farm Boy says:

    A Utah couple that brought a Betsy Ross flag to a Real Salt Lake soccer game was told by stadium staff that if they didn’t take the flag down, they would be ejected from the game.

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/51428/soccer-team-tells-couple-flying-betsy-ross-flag-hank-berrien

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  31. Liz says:

    Liz – i wonder … do they break any of those law stats into men/women?
    I haven’t seen it yet. Women graduates from law school outnumber men now.

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  32. Farm Boy says:

    This is incredibly difficult for me to do but I feel that it’s necessary to come forward and expose the type of person that Trump will select for the Supreme Court of the great country.

    I was raped by whoever Trump selects to replace Ruth Bader Ginsburg for the Supreme Court.

    It was in the 1990s and the details are a little fuzzy. We were at a party and I distinctly remember this person coming on to me and rubbing up against me.

    https://genesiustimes.com/oped-i-was-raped-by-whoever-trump-picks-to-replace-ginsburg-on-the-supreme-court/

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  33. Liz says:

    That’s weird you just bought a hat yesterday and I brought the hats up today, Farm boy. 🙂

    A few weeks back (different forum) someone mentioned beets and how good they are for men as they get older. So I thought, hm…I’ll put beets in Mike’s morning shakes. I texted him and told him. He texted back that this was weird because one of the stews had been talking about beets just that morning. I guess they make your pee red. Sure enough, it did. Good thing he’d heard that from a stew or he might’ve panicked a bit.

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  34. Liz says:

    How often do people talk about beets? I don’t think I’d ever mentioned them before.

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  35. Ame says:

    i’ve tried to find a good recipe for beets that my family will actually like … it’s been hard! still looking . . .

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  36. Liz says:

    Ame, I’ve never made them. I just use beet juice in Mike’s shakes.

    But I’ll bet this recipe is a good one though…when in doubt I usually roast vegetables and go the olive oil, salt and pepper route. And the reviews are very good 🙂
    If you use it, let me know how it turned out. I’ll let you know if I try it first.

    https://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/ina-garten/roasted-beets-recipe-1925366

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  37. Ame says:

    Liz – i have a couple of yellow beets in the fridge … i’m guessing it won’t matter red or yellow 🙂 … i’ll have to try that. i’ll let you know – might be a few days.

    i have to giggle a bit … idk why i remember this, but one time i remember Ton saying he didn’t read chick blogs b/c they always devolved into recipes ‘and what not!’ lol!

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  38. Stephanie says:

    That recipe is by The Barefoot Contessa ❤ She can even make beets taste good LOL!!!

    Love her though… love how her (stage?) name is Ina Garten… (in a garden), just so whimsical!

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  39. Liz says:

    one time i remember Ton saying he didn’t read chick blogs b/c they always devolved into recipes ‘and what not!’ lol!
    😆
    Mea culpa!

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  40. Stephanie says:

    You can also make a ton of roasted veggies to use in meal preps for chicken or beef … with rice… in stir fry meals… and it’s delicious!

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  41. Stephanie says:

    Tempting Ton to come out and ban me!

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  42. Ame says:

    i like her, too, Stephanie! been a long time since i watched any shows like that, but my girls grew up watching cooking shows 🙂 … i like how peaceful she is (and she’s been married to the same man for forever! 🙂 )

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  43. Ame says:

    for BV … regarding the topic-not-to-be-discussed … i saw this (ck out #35) … i’m guessing it’s not men funding that paycheck:

    https://www.ryrob.com/best-businesses-start-while-working-full-time-job/

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  44. Farm Boy says:

    It was, however, a dream for Ingmar Rentzhog. When Rentzhog combined Thorén’s plan and Malena Ernman’s musical fame with Greta’s uncanny charisma and We Have No Time’s mailing list, he turned Greta into a viral celebrity.

    “I have not invented Greta,” Rentzhog insists, “but I helped to spread her action to an international audience.”

    https://standpointmag.co.uk/issues/june-2019/gretas-very-corporate-childrens-crusade/

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  45. Cill says:

    What do y’all mean by “beets”? Beetroot? Silver Beet?

    I bake my vege. Baked parsnip, and spuds and Kumara in their jackets served with butter, complementing roast Hogget or beef or Hapuka steaks. Seafoods can go with almost anything. It’s all about the sauces.

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  46. BuenaVista says:

    Liz, if you don’t mind, what are the ingredients in your husband’s morning shakes? (Aside from beets, got that.)

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  47. BuenaVista says:

    Thank you, Ame, for the suggestion to write erotic smut.

    I’m high-toned, so one of my current projects is a history of the women I’ve loved, and how they do (or, alas) don’t do it. So it’s not bodice-ripping, romance novel stuff. I will have to use a pseudonym. Real women don’t like it when you say “Really? That’s it?” or “That hurts.”

    I had a pretty boring sex life with my wife. But for 23 years we crossed home plate at the same moment. There’s a lot of information in that fact.

    The woman I was crazy about for the last 10 years gave me one (1) home run, and a lot of scratch singles. Information there, as well. She posits herself as a dakini, a Hindu goddess of love. Eh ….

    The women I dated? Who boy.

    So I think it’s time that a man of little experience has a reliable survey course addressing the female arts (or their absence). This is unpublishable, of course, but strangely, the women in my past all want to read it. Information in that, as well. The book ends with the details of the woman-of-the-past-10-years. I told her this. (She goes hiking in the park where I write in the mornings, a coincidence, surely.) But I assured her that I’ve only sold a single poem this year ($500, yay), nothing discursive about intimacy or its failures.

    The poem is titled, “God is Tired of Us”. Which I believe to be the case.

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  48. BuenaVista says:

    Oh, boy. “Kumara” is a sweet potato, right Cill?

    Wife #2 was throwing sweet potatoes into the mix, incessantly.

    When someone suggests sweet potatoes to me all I envision is a pair of 36DD’s hitting me with a blunt object at 2 a.m. while I try to sleep. I moved out when the blunt object was attached to a Mossberg 12 gauge.

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  49. BuenaVista says:

    I do love borscht. Need more borscht in my life (note to self).

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  50. b g says:

    Yeah, borscht is good when the weather turns cold. My neighbor is Ukrainski and uses beef broth plus beets, carrots, cabbage, onions, and garlic. My wife made roasted beets, beet pickles with cinnamon, and boiled beets with butter. Plus she thinned the beets and ate the thinnings plus the leaves sort of like spinach with butter. My grandfather loved beet pickles and as the first grandchild, I decided to love them too. I still remember the red pee ;-D

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  51. b g says:

    LOL, I forgot potatoes in the soup ;-D

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  52. BuenaVista says:

    Ame, I moved to the current thread for this comment, owing to my conviction that this is an important insight:

    You wrote: “I do think, though, that it is difficult for many to actually listen to another person contentedly.”

    I don’t think it’s important, whether or not a civil conversation with an intimate induces contentment. It’s an obligation of intimacy to take it in the face, from time to time. IMO.

    I do think that if one is intimate with someone, and she/he wants to discuss something, it’s time to sit down, be polite, and get the 30 seconds of truth. (Usually, it’s really only 30 seconds, surrounded by polite hemming and hawing).) I wish I had learned this before I was 47. I wish the object of my late affections accepted the practice. The only thing I don’t discuss are the dark things I did for a living. It pissed me off that she would not discuss certain aspects of how we related, but felt free to ask “How many people have you killed?” Which she did, more than once. But she was raised Missourah Southern Baptist so I suppose some taboos are hard-coded. It’s conventional to say that every human is a mystery, unknown but to God. But I don’t think God has time for some of the stuff we dwell upon.

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  53. BuenaVista says:

    BG, the tubers and vegetables are roasted, not braised? Before being simmered in the beef stock?

    It’s the middle of the night and your summary makes me very hungry.

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  54. BuenaVista says:

    Is “Hoggett” pork loin? What is “Hapuka steak”?

    This blog is now converged. We’re talking recipes. Let’s not take it to dieting tips. (Well, my dieting tip: “Stop eating crap” or, if in extremis, just “Stop eating.”)

    I’m living outside this month but it’s interesting that, so far, I can do everything over a fire.

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  55. BuenaVista says:

    Buona notte. BV OUT!

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  56. Cill says:

    Kumara is a sweet potato brought here by Polynesians in the 13th century (NZ is the last country to be settled by humans). Two varieties are grown here now. The slushy variety is gold, the firm (IMO superior) variety is red. SJWs are enamoured of the golden variety.

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  57. b g says:

    BV

    Yeah, he basically made a beef roast with all those veggies for a Sunday supper then turned the leftovers into a soup…then he added a spoonful of sour cream with dill on top, which I avoided because that is just bloody gilding the lily. Give that soup and a crust of bread and you pretty much have the world by the butt with a down hill turn ;-D

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  58. Cill says:

    “I’m living outside this month”. You mentioned your choice of tent, which I mentally respected at the time.

    To get back to your question, BV, a hogget is a sheep between one and two years of age. We antipodeans brought the word with us from mother England.

    Unless you have fished in the southern hemisphere you won’t have caught Hapuka. It is a fish with a good girth, sufficient for cutting like chops.

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  59. Cill says:

    … with a big chopper.

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  60. Cheque d'Out says:

    The state of TV debate in the UK recently

    I love these

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  61. Cheque d'Out says:

    A yearling is an animal between 1 and 2 years of age that may or may not have produced offspring. In other countries, a yearling ewe is called a hogget, shearling, gimmer, theave, or teg.

    Confirmed as, as doubtful as it might initially sound to some, safe for work
    http://www.sheep101.info/sheepandlambs.html

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  62. Cheque d'Out says:

    Ouch

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  63. Cill says:

    “In other countries”?

    Spawny me old mate, as a spokesperson spokes-thing spokes-happenstance spokesman for the diversity brigade I do have to ask, just what do you mean by “other”?

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  64. Cheque d'Out says:

    Yes. It’s that time of year again.

    ship-with-climate-change-warriors-caught-in-ice-warriors-evacuated
    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/09/08/ship-with-climate-change-warriors-caught-in-ice-warriors-evacuated/

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  65. Cheque d'Out says:

    Merely quoting Sheep101 me ol’ mucker

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  66. Cheque d'Out says:

    Okay. What”s the sentence for quoting someone else ‘other’ing another country?

    The usual? Permanent social shunning with an extended gaol term for a second offence? A second offence like using the word ‘another’?

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  67. Cill says:

    You know what we got ‘ere? We got gumboots eh.

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  68. Cheque d'Out says:

    There’s fancy. Wellies here. I hate ’em

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  69. Cill says:

    Gumboots be the great leveler they are.

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  70. Cheque d'Out says:

    Seems like only last week that Spring left, if it can be said to have left at all, but today Autumn is arrived.

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  71. Cheque d'Out says:

    Some gumboots are more levelling than others, it seems

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  72. Cill says:

    It is Spring down under. Bad weather but it doesn’t ma”er. I’m good as gold. Jobs are done, property is tight as a nun’s and sound as a pound.

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  73. Cill says:

    How’s your property faring, spawny me mate? That cock pheasant still around?

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  74. Cheque d'Out says:

    My external painting plans for the day are severely compromised. It’s not like I have a shortage of indoor jobs to do.

    But pollyticks are going to be wild today:

    – will Boris refuse to recommend to Queenie that she gives the no-no-deal bill Royal Assent and/or Consent (both exist and are different, apparently). Bliar did this at least once but the MSM will declare the end of the world and Boris to be ze new Hitler.

    – will Boris say that the no-no-deal bill does not represent the will of the people and so should be challenged (and cannot be put forward for assent / consent)? (something like that)

    – will Boris say, fair enough, it’s law that the PM is required to request a suspension but I repeat that I WILL NOT ASK. Come at me bro, demand that General Election. If you’re PM you can request it. (The polls look horrible for anyone but the tories (and they’re not great) but every time Boris acts tough, his polls go up

    – today can be prorogation day…will BloJo make it so?

    – the MSM is saying that it’s all over for Boris BUT they sure aren’t acting happy. They’re running around trying to work out why Cummings, Moggster and Boris are looking relaxed and happy. He’s fucked us but we don’t know how yet…

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  75. Cheque d'Out says:

    Not seen him for many months. Plenty of feathers on the roads around and about though. ’tis the season. Some sustained gunfire to the north yesterday so I gather that there was a shoot.

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  76. Cheque d'Out says:

    Just rewind to see the top of the hour through the day

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  77. Cill says:

    Did the decline start with the remoaners do you think? I remember Bliar who was a lot worse than any of them today. Did the rot set in with Blair? Or was it earlier on.

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  78. Cheque d'Out says:

    According to the MSM a major shock this last weekend was the resignation of Amber cRudd from the Cabinet. She’s a remoaner, she’s been a useless Home Sec (in May’s mold and footsteps) and many wonder why Boris took her in in the first place.

    What did the peeps think? No reaction of shock and Boris’ ratings went up a bit

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  79. Cheque d'Out says:

    John Major was even shitter than his reputation was back in the day. The tories under him lost to Bliar. He paved the way for nu-laba. He’s been REEEEEing about Boris having a five day (or is it 5 week? you decide) prorogation. Saying that prorogation was terrible. He prorogued parliament at the end of his reign, weeks earlier than necessary for the election. It was to avoid the ‘cash for questions’ scandal that was destroying his party’s reputation with a wave of sleeze accusations.

    So, I reckon the problems started with the toppling of increasingly eurosceptic Maggie by some of the same faces now leading the parliamentary remoaniacs

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  80. Cill says:

    I haven’t heard it put that way before.

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  81. Cill says:

    Thanks for your input on brexit etc.

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  82. Cill says:

    IRL I’m supposed to be rubbing shoulders socially with a bunch of twerps right now. There are better things to do. I’m happier outside with their dog walking around.

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  83. Cheque d'Out says:

    Trigger warning for patriotism

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  84. Cheque d'Out says:

    Julian Smith not resigning (not yet)

    the swamp is draining itself, the black death has gripped the Conservative party

    I’ll raise a glass to that later

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  85. Cheque d'Out says:

    Pippi Mongstocking and her love of humanity

    This is child abuse of a poor girl with multiple mental issues, someone should be prosecuted for this. But I’m buggered if I’ll take her apocalyptic bullshit without reaction

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  86. Cheque d'Out says:

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  87. Cill says:

    Boris’ recent dismissive attitude toward Pence was not good. When it comes to looking at the reality of trade – the actual reality of it outside of cloistered Europe – any country on this planet that had that generous offer of trade talks with the USA would jump on it panting like a dog if it had any sense. Boris’ offhand treatment of Pence was an insult.

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  88. Cheque d'Out says:

    A moment of silence please. And no sniggering at the back

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  89. Cheque d'Out says:

    Boris needs to be very careful not to encourage an explosion of hysteria that we’re about to leave the EU just to become a US satellite where we’ll be poisoned with chlorinated chicken*, hormone packed beef and GMO soy.

    That deal is clearly VERY important to us but the MSM is out of control with lying and fear mongering. They haven’t remembered eggs yet, where the standards are very different**

    Project Fear is being insanely heightened as the remoaniacs are desperate

    *chlorine washing chicken means people are poisoned with chlorine (we don’t do that) BUT we do have chlorinated fresh salad which is clearly different and is safe

    **as I understand it there are two philosophies on keeping eggs safe for consumption (clean them but destroy their natural protections from infection vs leave those protections in place but they might be a bit surface dirty. Both work in their different ways BUT THEY’RE DIFFERENT *cue spooky sound effects*

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  90. Cill says:

    “Boris needs to be very careful not to encourage an explosion of hysteria that we’re about to leave the EU just to become a US satellite where we’ll be poisoned with chlorinated chicken*, hormone packed beef and GMO soy.”

    Meanwhile I have it on quite good authority that UK business by and large has STILL not prepared itself for WTO.

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  91. Cheque d'Out says:

    More like this Irish woman, please

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  92. Cheque d'Out says:

    By this point IDNGAF. I want OUT. Most businesses don’t trade overseas (at the moment). Any that do but haven’t prepared are too stupid and should die.

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  93. Cheque d'Out says:

    They’re losing the fucking the plot live on TV.

    The ABBC in this case

    I haven’t even heard Boris say that he was thinking of doing this, where did it come from?
    Boris et al are trolling the media just like Donald does, but perhaps our media is even more febrile than the US’ at the moment?

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  94. Cheque d'Out says:

    John ‘The Vulcan’ Redwood MP

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  95. Cheque d'Out says:

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  96. Cheque d'Out says:

    We are living through times that will feature large in the history texts of the future. These are times as portentous as those of 1688 or 1848. This time we are not fighting a Catholic monarch or a wealthy land-owning oligarchy for control of our lives and futures, but an elite of globalist supranationalists who would trade away nation and people for petty self-advantage. With a week ahead of events as momentous as any I have known in my life, I’m giving the rest of this morning’s post over to a comment made by Sobers which deserves a more prominent airing;

    “So why don’t they just accept the democratic vote of 17.4 million people and give up then? Why can’t they accept losing?”

    Because they don’t understand what losing is. What one needs to understand is the the Remain element of the HoC, and their supporters outside it (which are not all Remainers by far, just the vocal ones) are all members of the same class – the one who for 30 years, ever since Thatcher basically, have been the winners of the political game. They are the sort of people who swan from politics to heading large charities, from heading quangos to think tanks, to well paid media jobs, to running NHS trusts, or whatever. They all swim in the same sea, move in the same circles. They are the movers and shakers in State funded circles. They consider they run the country, and for 30 years its always moved in the direction they agree with. Yes there might be a nominal Conservative government every now and again, but none of them ever do anything to reverse the flow of more regulation, more State control of everything, more immigration, more taxes, more public spending, more European integration. A Tory government might slow the advance a bit, but the direction of travel always remains the same.

    So in their heads they have decided that what they want is the only way the country can move in. Its just the natural state of affairs to them. Anything else is immoral as far as they are concerned. Just suggesting slowing down the speed of travel generates plenty of vitriol at those who dare to question them, the very idea that someone might throw the supertanker into reverse doesn’t even fit in their comprehension.

    So all of this isn’t really about the pros and cons of being in a supra-national body such as the EU any more. Its about a political class
    being faced for the first time ever with the word ‘No’. Its so discombobulated them, the mask has slipped. No longer are the usual platitudes about ‘working families’ and ‘democratic choice’ even paid lip service. They have been thrown out as their naked desire for power is exposed. Its become a nothing less than a power struggle – who is to govern, the People, or the Political Class? That’s why they can’t let Brexit happen, not because of any specific arguments about it, but because its become an existential fight – if they lose it they lose everything. If the voters can force the political class to leave the EU against their will, what other ideas might the people get?

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  97. Cheque d'Out says:

    Note that this is after Boris’ own declared leave or die date. I’m much happier with this than a GE before Boris says he’ll deliver.

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  98. Cheque d'Out says:

    Ruth Davidson was the Sco’ish tory leader who resigned recently. That was supposed to be a huge blow for Boris. 13 Sco’ish tory MPs lost as only wet-as-an-Arbroath-Smokie* (ie faux tory) Ruth got those MPs delivered

    Since Ruth Davidson resigned as Scottish Tory leader their vote has gone up three points.

    The remoaniacs just do not understand that they have no idea how the country feels about any of this. The current polls and the GE results will dumbfound them

    *a fish, basically. For the purposes of my comedy offering. But more generally; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbroath_smokie

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  99. Liz says:

    Liz, if you don’t mind, what are the ingredients in your husband’s morning shakes? (Aside from beets, got that.)

    I put about 2/3 arugula and spinach (or one or the other if we dont’ have both), some flaxseeds, then coconut water if we have it, then some frozen berries (usually mostly blueberries). Sometimes I get frozen acia or a banana and add that. 🙂

    To Cill: I haven’t read many posts yet, so someone may have answered but I’m pretty sure beets are beetroot.

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  100. Cheque d'Out says:

    Day One after Brexit

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  101. What I want to know is how a white, heterosexual man sells a poem to any outfit more high-falutin’ than the Bathroom Stall Journal. Did you have to identify as a tree frog or maybe a trans-ficus when you submitted?

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  102. Cheque d'Out says:

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  103. Ame says:

    beets – the pic in this link:

    https://www.jessicagavin.com/how-to-cook-beets/

    no matter how i’ve fixed them, they always taste like dirt to me! lol!

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  104. Ame says:

    but i really like the colors … they’re so rich and pretty, so i keep thinking there’s got to be a way to cook them that i’ll like someday … cause, you know … pretty things! lol!

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  105. Ame says:

    BuenaVista
    10h ago
    Thank you, Ame, for the suggestion to write erotic smut.

    lol!

    well … ummm … i was actually thinking that this was documentation that female p0rn is rampant … but … well … if that’s how you wanna take it! lol!

    that current project must be … ummm … quite … enlightening?

    i’m still stuck on your comment some threads back where you said that very attractive women are less likely to be creative and fun in bed. that’s befuddling to me … they’re missing half the fun! lol!

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  106. Ame says:

    The poem is titled, “God is Tired of Us”. Which I believe to be the case.

    curious . . . on what do you base your premise?

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  107. Ame says:

    b g
    9h ago
    Yeah, borscht is good when the weather turns cold. My neighbor is Ukrainski and uses beef broth plus beets, carrots, cabbage, onions, and garlic.
    LOL, I forgot potatoes in the soup ;-D

    hummm . . . i wonder if they’d be good cooked in the veg’s with a roast?

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  108. Ame says:

    I do think that if one is intimate with someone, and she/he wants to discuss something, it’s time to sit down, be polite, and get the 30 seconds of truth. (Usually, it’s really only 30 seconds, surrounded by polite hemming and hawing).)

    i guess b/c it’s football season, this reminded me of those who edit out everything of a football game but the actual plays, and then watch the game 🙂

    – – –

    But I don’t think God has time for some of the stuff we dwell upon.

    upon what to you base this premise?

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  109. Cheque d'Out says:

    Bercow, the democracy wrecking Squeaker of the House has just announced that he’s quitting all of a sudden…why?

    It does seem that Squeaker was very wrong indeed when he was shouting at JRM that JRM was wrong and Benn Bill did not need Queen’s Assent because it does – a bill that takes away Govt Prerogative must have both Royal and Queen’s Assent otherwise it cannot bind Govt and there is no legal requirement for a Govt to get Queen’s Assent on a bill Govt doesn’t agree with. Extending Article 50 is a Govt prerogative power. check mate – Berko has no choice but to resign so is just getting in first before his incompetence is revealed just so he can get as much ‘praise’ as possible – lapping it up like the arrogant self-serving pervy cunt he is…..

    Also the tories announced that they’d stand a candidate against him at the next GE (breaking a longlong, long set precedent)

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  110. Ame says:

    Spawny – that’s hilarious! lol!

    Arctic tours ship MS MALMO with 16 passengers on board got stuck in ice on Sep 3 off Longyearbyen, Svalbard Archipelago, halfway between Norway and North Pole. The ship is on Arctic tour with Climate Change documentary film team, and tourists, concerned with Climate Change and melting Arctic ice. All 16 Climate Change warriors were evacuated by helicopter in challenging conditions, all are safe. 7 crew remains on board, waiting for Coast Guard ship assistance.

    Something is very wrong with Arctic ice, instead of melting as ordered by UN/IPCC, it captured the ship with Climate Change Warriors.

    [Sailed in Boaty McBoatface they should have]

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  111. Cheque d'Out says:

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  112. Ame says:

    Spawny – Its about a political class
    being faced for the first time ever with the word ‘No’. Its so discombobulated them, the mask has slipped.

    much of that here in the US, too.

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  113. Cheque d'Out says:

    Yes Ame…AGAIN! It seems like every year they scream about lack of ice and then a ship gets stuck. North pole this time

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  114. Ame says:

    North pole this time

    passive-aggressive Santa controlling that one, i bet! lol!

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  115. Farm Boy says:

    A painting of Kentucky history depicting black Americans picking crops in a field has caused the University of Kentucky to close the academic building where it resides.

    https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=13681

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  116. Adam says:

    All 16 Climate Change warriors were evacuated by helicopter in challenging conditions, all are safe.

    They used a bunch of horrible oil and gas products to get there and then when they got stuck they used even more to get back out. I work in the horrible oil & gas industry, so, you’re welcome.

    Richard P,

    I do not have the time and energy to go through your entire post. All I will say is that you are wrong about everything. The government cannot just give people money to have purchasing power; the money has to come from somewhere, ie taxpayers. Ever heard that saying that money doesn’t grow on trees? The government cannot just create more money by printing it because that devalues the currency which punishes savers and investors which in turn punishes the general economy.

    If you are truly interested in educating yourself as opposed to “winning” an argument on the internet, I recommend that you read “Free Market Economics” by Steve Kates. It costs a bit but it’s worth it.

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  117. Farm Boy says:

    According to Society Reviews, after debuting at Toronto International Film Festival, Rian Johnson’s latest outing has garnered a certified fresh 100% rating on Rotten Tomatoes, with critics all over social media heaping praise upon it for having the not-so-courageous audacity to mock Trump supporters and “white entitlement” in a town packed with hardcore members of the anti-Trump #resistance.

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/51532/last-jedi-director-rian-johnsons-latest-film-f-you-paul-bois

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  118. Farm Boy says:

    What conservatives never understood is that the prog left have always had the unintended consequences very much in mind.

    https://pushingrubberdownhill.com/2019/09/09/abortion-as-sexual-pleasure/

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  119. Cheque d'Out says:

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  120. Liz says:

    I posted on my Facebook home page for the first time in about 12 months or so.
    Sure enough, a multi-level marketing “friend” messaged me, upon seeing me online.
    “Hi! So sorry I haven’t checked up on you in so long….things are good here…(and, oh yeah…wanna see a video promotion of this shyte I’m peddling?)”
    Good grief.

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  121. Liz says:

    Per discussing politics and domestic relationships, think I mentioned a while back Mike and I discussed pretty much everything (while “studying” physics) before we started dating. We agreed on most things, but argued a pretty good deal about some things. I was (think I’ve mentioned before) pretty liberal then, especially by comparison to now. He was more conservative then than he is now.

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  122. Stephanie says:

    “Liz, if you don’t mind, what are the ingredients in your husband’s morning shakes? (Aside from beets, got that.)”

    Since this is now turning into, “Let’s all share our recipes,” LOL… I’ve secretly been wondering this, too 😉 😛 😀

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  123. RichardP says:

    @Adam said: The government cannot just give people money to have purchasing power;.

    Yup.

    And so they don’t.

    Which was my point. You don’t need money to have purchasing power.

    But you do need to have purchasing power to buy things.

    Tell me again, how much is the Federal debt? Did that debt buy anything? Is it money?

    Money has not driven the economy since we went off of the gold standard. Credit has. Which is what complicates the points you made upthread, and which is why I responded.

    I saw the article at the link below after I posted my comments. But this article deals with the points that I made above, but as they pertain to the future, where robots will make most everything rather than humans.

    My points pertained to the past, as well as the future. Interesting that you claim I am wrong about everything I said – when most of what I said is part of recorded history. Search “Company Store” at Wikipedia if interested.

    The original article is behind a paywall, so I am linking to ZeroHedge. Universal Basic Income is a topic among the current Democratic Presidential candidates. The point made is that this will become necessary in order to give those replaced by robots the purchasing power they will need in order to be able to buy things from the company store. As it was (old company store), so it will be (new company store). At least for those who refuse to realize why it is so.

    Universal Basic Income

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  124. RichardP says:

    For the record, I’m assuming that Adam knows the definition of money. It is different from the definition of credit.

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  125. Ame says:

    Liz
    I posted on my Facebook home page for the first time in about 12 months or so.
    Sure enough, a multi-level marketing “friend” messaged me, upon seeing me online.
    “Hi! So sorry I haven’t checked up on you in so long….things are good here…(and, oh yeah…wanna see a video promotion of this shyte I’m peddling?)”
    Good grief.

    GRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!

    i get SO tired of those people! they turn friends into enemies! lol!

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  126. Ame says:

    FB Chick has a new boyfriend … we’ll see how long this one lasts & all men are terrible again! lol!

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  127. Liz says:

    I moved to a neighborhood once, when we were very young and very poor (but it was a cute neighborhood…not like a ghetto area, though we’ve lived in those too) one day a neighbor came to my door and said, “Hey! I live three doors over and just wanted to welcome you to the neighborhood (extends hand)…” (I excitedly take it and shake it saying, “oh that’s so nice! Thank you! I’m Liz…” as she finishes her sentence and hands me a card….
    “And invite you to a Pampered chef party I’m having next week”.
    I’m sure my face dropped visibly.
    Of all the socially inept moves of all time.

    Reminds me of a neighbor across the street when Mike was stationed at Langley. She never introduced herself, though her kids were always at my house, until word got out that we were selling our home. She was a real estate agent.

    Then there was the time we moved to Las Vegas and only knew one couple. She invited me to one of those multi-level marketing scam parties. I thought I’d go so I could meet some people, but it turned out only about four people (counting me) showed up. Then she told me she was going to cancel the party, but still had it only for me! Lucky me! (no pressure)

    On the bright side, shyte acquaintances are kind of like having shyte bosses. They set an example of what not to do, so when one is in that position you know better. Not that I’d ever do a MLM scheme, but I always greet people when they are new to the community with a little plant or flower. We just got some new neighbors across the street, but our driveways are so long and properties large so it feels a bit like intruding to go up to their door. I left them a note with our names, a little bit about us, and our numbers in case they need anything….and told them they can drop by anytime.

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  128. BuenaVista says:

    Nah, KHH, I just deviated from Scripture. Liberals love aberrant thought. (So does God. If you don’t think He has a sense of humor, my sympathies.)

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  129. Liz says:

    Forgot to add…left them a note in their mailbox by the street. You never know, there are a lot of isolationist types here and the last guy yelled at our son when we backed up three feet onto his long long dirt driveway turn the moving truck around. The only time we met him. I hope these people are nicer than that. Mike met the guy when he was out chopping wood, he said he seems nice. He’s from Utah.
    Now we just need to put together a little meet and greet party for the neighbors. Hopefully before the harsh winter sets in. Friend of ours is coming in October to hunt with Mike, but he’s arriving a few days early to try to acclimate to the altitude. That might be a good time to do it…
    [/rambling blab]

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  130. BuenaVista says:

    Cill, my little tent has proven insufficient. I drove home and got the monster canvas plains trooper tent.

    1. It’s rained so much I have a half-inch of water in the little tent. God delivers stationary fronts. Their purpose is to humiliate humans.

    2. The big tent is so big it doesn’t matter if there’s water. There’s this innovation called a “cot”.

    I’m too broken down to try to climb out of a pup tent at 5 a.m. without getting half my body wet. I think I will be walking and ducking out of my tent for the duration, like one of my heroes, U.S. Grant.

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  131. BuenaVista says:

    Ame: “upon what to you base this premise?”

    There’s no trivia in the Bible, Ame. The churches go wrong when they try to relate God’s Word to the trivia that consumes the offertory-flock. But that is what the churches do, seeking relevance. “My husband doesn’t make me feel like a princess” is not a biblical condition. Who cares? Get a life.

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  132. BuenaVista says:

    When I was a “rising young professional” a member of our social set started talking at dinners about the wonders of the network marketing miracle that was reverse osmosis water filters in the home. My thought at the time, was, “Da fuck, Bill, really?” I was working space communications and the OGA at the time.

    Ten years later I would answer the phone if I got home early and … guess who?

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  133. “A painting of Kentucky history depicting black Americans picking crops in a field has caused the University of Kentucky to close the academic building where it resides.”

    Well, isn’t that special?

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  134. BuenaVista says:

    God is tired of us and ends the year like a bad meeting.
    As for most bad meetings, no one notices. Until they are alone.
    God is tired of us and leaves fall to the ground, like the threadbare undergarments
    of a stripper working the parking lot for extras.
    They just lay there, in piles, these leaves.
    They drift up and around our ankles.
    Are we really standing here? Did we truly choose this?

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  135. Ame says:

    God delivers stationary fronts. Their purpose is to humiliate humans.

    LOL!

    There’s no trivia in the Bible, Ame. The churches go wrong when they try to relate God’s Word to the trivia that consumes the offertory-flock. But that is what the churches do, seeking relevance. “My husband doesn’t make me feel like a princess” is not a biblical condition. Who cares? Get a life.

    ahhh … my mind went somewhere different, which is why i asked for clarity.

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  136. Ame says:

    very thought provoking.

    reminded me of Amos 4.

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  137. Farm Boy says:

    When I was a kid it was the punk rockers who were the queer ones, with their rainbow mohawks and safety pins through the lip. They did those things to stand out. They liked the stares. Now it seems that you want to be that kind of rebel, only you aren’t brave enough to withstand the stares of the curious as part of the burden of that choice. No one says you have to go out painted like a mashup of Lady Gaga and John Wayne Gacy. That’s the choice you made. The consequence of that choice is that small children might be frightened or curious. The solution isn’t for their parents to agree with your fashion choices, but to teach our children manners. That includes not gawping at strangers, no matter how they look.

    https://pjmedia.com/parenting/open-letter-to-the-gender-confused-dude-in-the-beard-and-lipstick-my-kid-is-going-to-stare/

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  138. Farm Boy says:

    In Case You Missed It: Black Novelist Walter Moseley, Writer of “Easy Rawlins” Detective Series, Quits Star Trek After SJW Rats on Him to Human Resources For Just Attempting to Tell a Story

    http://ace.mu.nu/archives/383221.php

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  139. Stephanie says:

    That’s so sweet you do that for new neighbors, Liz! I usually do that, too, but one time they just never answered the door (and I had REALLY nice cookies for them I’m pretty sure they would have liked). The husband is reclusive though so that was probably it. It took a few years for him to finally warm up to us, now his kids come over to play. 🙂

    So finally got to post something about the homeschool stuff we’re doing (a week late, but that’s normal now LOL)

    https://girlwithadragonflytattoo.com/2019/09/10/fall-homeschool-outdoor-beauty/

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  140. Farm Boy says:

    In the video, Chelsea said she believed gusty meant “having a clear sense of purpose and then having the perseverance and just the refusal to give up.”

    Hillary, meanwhile, argued that gutsy women were those “who faced obstacles and kept going and they could see what a difference it might make in their own lives and even more broadly.”

    https://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahbarkoukis/2019/09/09/juanita-broaddrick-response-to-hillary-chelsea-n2552755

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  141. Farm Boy says:

    Irish musician Sinead O’Connor has backtracked and apologized for her comments last year in which she called white people and “non-Muslims” “disgusting.”

    https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2019/09/08/sinead-oconnor-apologizes-for-calling-white-people-disgusting/

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  142. Farm Boy says:

    Ja Du, born a white male named Adam, now considers himself a Filipino.

    He even drives what he calls a Tuk Tuk, an Asian-derived vehicle used for public transit in the Philippines.

    Ja Du is part of a small but growing number of people who call themselves transracial. The term once referred only to someone (or a couple) of a one race adopting a child of another, but now it’s becoming associated with someone born of one race who identifies with another.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/11/13/transracial-man-born-white-says-he-feels-filipino/858043001/

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  143. Farm Boy says:

    Liz’ dog getting in shape to accompany Liz on the trail

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  144. Farm Boy says:

    Now, here are Buttigieg’s thoughts on abortion and the Bible: “There’s a lot of parts of the Bible that talk about how life begins with breath. And so even that is something that we can interpret differently … Most Americans can get on the board with the idea of, alright, I might draw the line here, you might draw the line there, but the most important thing is the person who should be drawing the line is the woman making the decision.”

    There are so many logical and theological problems here that it’s hard to know where to begin. First of all, does the supposedly devout Buttigieg really think that women are the sole authorities who decide where to “draw the line”?

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/51560/walsh-pete-buttigieg-tried-use-bible-argue-matt-walsh

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  145. Adam says:

    Richard,

    UBI is pure socialism. But it is in line with your earlier post.

    This may help you, if you’re not too far gone:

    https://quadrant.org.au/magazine/2019/03/the-dangerous-persistence-of-keynesian-economics/

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  146. RichardP says:

    Spawney’s Place is unique among blogs in that it is a serious teaching place. We are all of us blind folks describing the elephant. If you say the elephant has a trunk, and I say it has a tail, that means I am contributing to the available information. It does not mean I am trying to win an argument.

    Adam, my comments are adding to what you said upthread by raising the issue of purchasing power. When wealthy and powerful men are allowed to lock large sums of money up in bank accounts and do nothing with it, the economy suffers because purchasing power has been reduced (see “the velocity of money” and “the money multiplier” for more). When left to themselves, this is what many men throughout history have tended to do. In the face of that reality, in the face of little to no purchasing power, “supply” is not going to generate economic activity.

    My comments above were addressing the role of redistributing purchasing power from the few to the many. That is not the same thing as Robin Hood taking wealth from the rich and giving to the poor. It is the redistibution of purchasing power, not the redistribution of money.

    The article that I linked to re UBI is making that same point in its own way. But it is an argument against UBI, not an argument for. It makes the point that the few folks who control a large share of the money want to give folks the UBI to ensure that they can keep control of that large share of the money.

    You write This may help you, if you’re not too far gone: That suggests to me that you think I am arguing for positions that I am not actually arguing for. In focusing on that, you are missing the point that I actually am making. You might re-read my first post upthread.

    What follows is a short example of the point I am making. Whether government should be doing this is is a subject for a different discussion. My point is that the government can do this, and has done this. You seem to be saying that government can’t do this.

    Adam – you said: The government cannot just give people money to have purchasing power; the money has to come from somewhere, ie taxpayers.

    The money has to come from somewhere. Yes it does. And if the majority of the money is locked up in the bank accounts of a few wealthy folks, the economy suffers because the needed money is not available. One way to counteract this is to require / allow banks to make loans with those accounts as collateral, or for the government to sell Treasury bills, notes, and bonds and distribute those funds into the economy. Neither of these options involve taxes. I alluded to this with my comments about FDR upthread.

    So – consider the creation of a new business that would not exist without the government’s help. Note that government is creating purchasing power for would-be producer without using taxes to do it.

    1. Government sells bill (1), note (10) or bond (30) to private citizen.
    2. Gives or loans that money to would-be producer.
    3. Producer now has purchasing power to buy labor, raw materials and machines (plus water and electricity and fuel) with which he can make products.
    4. Producer creates and sells products.
    5. Producer pays wages – on which taxes will be paid to government, creates business profit – on which taxes will be paid to government.

    6. If money was a loan and not a grant, producer pays loan off over time from profits generated by products sold.

    7. If money was a grant, so producer does not pay back money given, government sells new bill, note or bond and uses proceeds to pay off original bill, note or bond at maturity. At some point, the taxes paid on wages generated, and taxes paid on profits generated, may equal or exceed the original amount of money given to producer by government. So – even if not directly, government still recoups original money given to would-be producer.

    The only taxes involved here are those paid TO the government from the monies generated by this business that would not have existed without government help.

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  147. RichardP says:

    @Adam – I understand the real concern about the government sending the proceeds from the sale of bills, notes, and bonds into general circulation in the money supply – or directing it to private individuals who will place that money into general circulation by spending it. I understand that increasing the money supply can have negative repercussions. But, in the example I have created, the money supply has been artificially reduced by all the money in those few mens’ bank accounts that they are doing nothing with. Such as was the case in FDR’s time. So the money introduced into circulation in my example is only nudging the money supply back to what it is supposed to be – it is not expanding it.

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  148. Farm Boy says:

    A Swedish scientist speaking at Stockholm summit last week offered an unusual possible tactic in combating global climate change: eating human flesh.

    https://nypost.com/2019/09/09/scientist-suggests-eating-human-flesh-to-fight-climate-change/

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  149. Cheque d'Out says:

    Not for those of a a sensitive disposition. Jack Dromey is the wife of Hatie Harman, elected in a laba party female only candidate list constituency. Nobody does nepotism like socialists do nepotism.

    People of little or no thought shouldn’t mouth off to media people famed for having a sharp gob. Why? Because this is what happens when they are so unwise as to try.

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  150. Cheque d'Out says:

    P45 is the document that you get when you’re given the sack (are fired).

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  153. Liz says:

    Irish musician Sinead O’Connor has backtracked and apologized for her comments last year in which she called white people and “non-Muslims” “disgusting.”

    Guess the Muslims aren’t willing to fund O’Connor’s art.

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  154. Liz says:

    Oh, wait….meal tickets…I didn’t really mean it when I said I hate you and think you’re disgusting. I was just being silly. Really, nothing compares…nothing compares, to you!!! (How about passing the hat around?! Yeah, dig deep now people)

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  155. Liz says:

    Stephanie, that place in the photos looks like a wonderful area for kids to learn and play and grow. 🙂
    We went to a football bbq on Sunday. The person in charge of the “team club” (point of contact for all fundraising and team support activities) lives on 40 acres of property. Every summer about 150 children come there to camp…it’s a church camp. The place is unbelievable. Can’t imagine how cool it is for their kids to grow up there…biking, fishing (there’s a pond), swimming (indoor pool), winter sports, and so forth….about 40 years ago when the church purchased the property it had been an affluent young ladies’ equestrian camp. Some of the buildings there date back to the 1800s. It is so neat.

    Anyway, the “team mom” raised three kids there. Her husband oversees the property. It’s so far out you can’t get cell service (I’m assuming internet is sketchy too). I was wondering what sort of person takes on all the work she does voluntarily, but after seeing the camp that answers it. It’s just the way they are. They give of themselves, because they are good people. I’m glad to know them, it’s very much like a lot of the military folks I’m familiar with. Kind of the opposite of Ms O’conner there.

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  156. Liz says:

    I like your poem, BV.
    I don’t know much about poetry, but it reminds me of Frost’s Acquainted with the Night.

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  157. BuenaVista says:

    Thank you, Lizzie. That’s just a stanza. As I’m sure the gang has noticed, I’m much more longwinded! As someone else noted, I’m unacceptable politically so will see if they print it. (The New Yorker.)

    When I first read it to a group, a sage old guy said,

    “Why do you assume God is male?”

    “Recite the first two words of The Lord’s Prayer,” I said.

    I usually get combative and emotional in these situations and destroy somebody. (It’s not hard, people who say things like that are morons.) I didn’t, there. I thanked God for that a few hours later when I went to bed and said my prayers.

    ***

    If you like Frost I’m sure you would like Emily Dickinson. I didn’t understand her until I was on the backside curve, age-wise.

    “The Heart Asks Pleasure First” (a poem by Emily Dickinson)

    The heart asks pleasure first
    And then excuse from pain
    And then those little anodynes
    That deaden suffering.
    And then to go to sleep
    And then if it should be
    The will of its inquisitor
    The privilege to die.

    [End of Dickinson poem.]

    I know that your world doesn’t have such thoughts, Liz, but for a short-timer like me this is as beautiful and meaningful as a Proverb. She extends her hand and offers the unspeakable insight. For no one speaks of such things. To do so just magnifies one’s isolation. She does.

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  158. BuenaVista says:

    There’s a collection of Frost’s Letters that a person can buy. They’re very good. Frost is much more interesting than academia has painted him since 1965.

    I think one of the great losses of the internet era is the vanishing of letter writing. Writing slowly, on a typewriter, perhaps with a handwritten outline, and a piece of carbon paper creating the file copy.

    People used to bemoan how email was replacing thoughtful letter writing, but now people “stay in touch” using a smartphone, and the medium is the message.

    Just an unsolicited thought for everyone: watch what happens if you write a letter on paper and type the address on the envelope. Or just hand-write a postcard. Every character, sentence and implied concern will be scutinized with 100X the level of interest compared to a digital exchange.

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  159. Stephanie says:

    “Or just hand-write a postcard. Every character, sentence and implied concern will be scutinized with 100X the level of interest compared to a digital exchange.”

    I still write handwritten Thank You notes, BV, and I love getting them from the few pepole who still do, too. There’s just something so meaningful about handwritten notes… very romantic.

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  160. Liz says:

    Last assignment Mike wrote personal thank you notes to a lot of people who worked for him. He didn’t even get to all of them (there just wasn’t time), but I think he wrote about 100. I wrote a lot of thank yous too of course, but I had a lot more free time.
    Think I mentioned before, assignment before last he wrote personal letters to the families of some of the airmen, about their job and how important they were (he didn’t automatically send them to parents, he asked who they personally looked up to and were closest to….there were so many tragic family stories, a lot of these folks came from awful environments so he might send the letter to a teacher, or neighbor, or whoever’s opinion the airman valued most). I’m sure it meant a lot. There’s a reason parking lots were filled for blocks and it was standing room only at his retirement.

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  161. Stephanie says:

    That’s soooooo sweet, Liz!!!! It is wonderful he thought and wanted to do all that ❤

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  162. Liz says:

    Heh, thanks Stephanie. 🙂
    BTW, this morning I was taking a walk with a friend. She mentioned her daughter babysits for her nephew (9 years old). Recently he came up to her and said he thinks he is bisexual.
    9 years old.
    You are right to homeschool (though I’m sure you were never in doubt).

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