Sugar And Spice Revisited


I have been mulling stuff over.  I was thinking about why women of yesteryear were taught to be sugar and spice and everything nice.  Was there a good reason for this, other than the whims of the Evil Patriarchy?  Was there perhaps a reason that might have been learned though experience through the centuries (or millennia)?

If I would be a modern day Feminist/SJW type, the answer is clearly the whims of the Evil Patriarchy.  For the modern day women have invented the one true morality, the morality that escaped all others through the ages.  “Hey, Hey, Ho, Ho, the Evil Patriarchy has got to go”.

This one true morality provides insight into why the old “sugar and spice” morality existed.  In actuality, the answer is rather simple; being self-evident upon just a modicum of inspection.

When left to their own devices (some might call this feral), women grow up hating other women (jealousy, hypergamic competition, etc.). along with becoming women that men don’t much like.  For a type of person that is dependent on the goodwill of the group, and of individual men, this just isn’t a good look.  But, Big Government to the rescue (for now).

Sugar and spice was an attempt to remedy both problems.  High-fructose corn syrup and Carolina Reapers are just not an effective substitute.

Short story — women don’t like women, men don’t like women (a bit of an exaggeration, but how much?) In their feral state that is

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155 comments on “Sugar And Spice Revisited
  1. Ame says:

    i had a friend, once, who commented on an older woman saying she was, “A feminist after the fact.” meaning … she raised her kids, was a SAHM, then touted ‘Feminism!’ those women encouraged their daughters to go into the world and BE something! because … you can be ANYTHING YOU WANT if you work hard enough, and, by golly, women work harder than men! and … you don’t have to be under the authority of a man by needing him to provide for you while you care for him and the children you’ve created together.

    patterns of behavior.

    a virus that becomes rampant.

    lies festered.

    delusion complete.

    till it’s not … and yet, they still can’t figure out ‘why?’

    if there are no women to train girls, how do they learn? social media, all media, has taken over child-rearing/training.

    when my daughters watch/read things, they come to me and discuss them. they have a ‘plumb line’ to come to in order to find out where what they’ve heard/read/saw is real, makes sense. they don’t necessarily know this is what they’re doing, but this is what they are doing.

    and we discuss things. and i make them think. and i give them truth, foundations. and then i tell them they get to choose what they believe – truth or lie.

    ‘freedom’ from authority … men … rule. that’s what they think they want, but they don’t, really, b/c women are designed to need authority.

    AND … what women, in general, tend to refuse to believe is that everyone is subject to someone/something. we ALL have rules to follow, someone to answer to. men know this. they know there’s an hierarchy of authority.

    women have taken the exception and made it the rule. the few who have been truly abused, beaten to an inch of their lives … and they’ve made the few about all women who are under the authority of men. a ‘fear’ campaign that has been extremely successful … and extremely detrimental to all.

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  2. Ame says:

    Chick-fil-A worker jumps through drive-thru window to save choking child

    Logan Simmons, who works at Chick-fil-A, jumped out the drive-thru window to save a 6-year-old boy choking on a seat belt wrapped around his neck.

    “I’m still kind of shocked right now myself that all this has happened,” said Logan.

    You could call him the fast food hero.

    “I just jumped out the window and ran straight down to the car,” he said.

    The Chick-fil-A provided surveillance video which shows Logan leap out of the drive-thru window to run toward the choking child.

    “I think it was the quickest option, it was right there and I saw the other car right there,” he said.

    Once outside of the restaurant, Logan jumped in the child’s car in the drive-thru and found the little boy’s mother, begging for help with her son’s seat belt that somehow got tangled around his neck.

    “You could see he was turning red and losing pigmentation in his face,” Logan said.

    Logan pulled out his pocket knife and cut the little boy free, possibly preventing a tragedy.

    “I’m amazed he didn’t panic. As his mother, I would have panicked. I’d be running around going ‘Oh my gosh, what do we do?'” said Teri Simmons, Logan Simmons’ mother.

    Just an hour later, the boy’s mother called Logan to thank him for saving her child’s life.

    Copyright 2019 WSB, Cox, Chick-fil-A via CNN. All rights reserved.

    https://www.wctv.tv/content/news/Chick-fil-A-worker-jumps-through-drive-thru-window-to-save-choking-child-511961212.html

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  3. RichardP says:

    everyone is subject to someone/something. we ALL have rules to follow, someone to answer to

    Gotta Serve Somebody – alternate take:

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  4. RichardP says:

    Normal version – different group:

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  5. Ame says:

    “Gotta Serve Somebody”

    You may be an ambassador to England or France
    You may like to gamble, you might like to dance
    You may be the heavyweight champion of the world
    You may be a socialite with a long string of pearls.

    But you’re gonna have to serve somebody, yes indeed
    You’re gonna have to serve somebody,
    It may be the devil or it may be the Lord
    But you’re gonna have to serve somebody.

    Might be a rock’n’ roll adict prancing on the stage
    Might have money and drugs at your commands, women in a cage
    You may be a business man or some high degree thief
    They may call you Doctor or they may call you Chief.

    But you’re gonna have to serve somebody, yes indeed
    You’re gonna have to serve somebody,
    Well, it may be the devil or it may be the Lord
    But you’re gonna have to serve somebody.

    You may be a state trooper, you might be an young turk
    You may be the head of some big TV network
    You may be rich or poor, you may be blind or lame
    You may be living in another country under another name.

    But you’re gonna have to serve somebody, yes
    You’re gonna have to serve somebody,
    Well, it may be the devil or it may be the Lord
    But you’re gonna have to serve somebody.

    You may be a construction worker working on a home
    You may be living in a mansion or you might live in a dome
    You might own guns and you might even own tanks
    You might be somebody’s landlord you might even own banks.

    But you’re gonna have to serve somebody, yes
    You’re gonna have to serve somebody,
    Well, it may be the devil or it may be the Lord
    But you’re gonna have to serve somebody.

    You may be a preacher with your spiritual pride
    You may be a city councilman taking bribes on the side
    You may be working in a barbershop, you may know how to cut hair
    You may be somebody’s mistress, may be somebody’s heir.

    But you’re gonna have to serve somebody, yes
    You’re gonna have to serve somebody,
    Well, it may be the devil or it may be the Lord
    But you’re gonna have to serve somebody.

    Might like to wear cotton, might like to wear silk
    Might like to drink whiskey, might like to drink milk
    You might like to eat caviar, you might like to eat bread
    You may be sleeping on the floor, sleeping in a king-sized bed.

    But you’re gonna have to serve somebody, yes indeed
    You’re gonna have to serve somebody,
    It may be the devil or it may be the Lord
    But you’re gonna have to serve somebody.

    You may call me Terry, you may call me Jimmy
    You may call me Bobby, you may call me Zimmy
    You may call me R.J., you may call me Ray
    You may call me anything but no matter what you say.

    You’re gonna have to serve somebody, yes indeed
    You’re gonna have to serve somebody,
    Well, it may be the devil or it may be the Lord
    But you’re gonna have to serve somebody.

    https://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/bobdylan/gottaservesomebody.html

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  6. earl says:

    Being a woman is a perfection…being a feminist is a monstrosity.

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  7. earl says:

    What Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde is to men is what being a woman and a feminist is to women.

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  8. SFC Ton says:

    i had a friend, once
    …….
    No one believes that 😉

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  9. Horsemanbombadil says:

    You have brothers in arms. Better.

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  10. BuenaVista says:

    The boy who saved the choking toddler had a “pocket knife.” (You’d go to prison in a lot of places for having that piece of steel because it’s no “pocket knife”.)

    But my point is, boys carried knives when I was a child: to school, to church, to break the twine on the paper bundle if they delivered papers at 6 a.m.

    I hope the mother of the choking child was able to finish her text, or her voice call, before pre-pubescent, pudgy Logan Simmons saved her child’s life by jumping out a window and slashing the seat belt with his combat knife.

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  11. Ame says:

    SFC Ton
    i had a friend, once
    …….
    No one believes that 😉

    BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

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  12. Ame says:

    i knew it wouldn’t be long before someone pointed out the pocket knife. it saved that kid.

    as a Mom … if i knew my child was in distress, i’d put the car in park where ever i could – and in a drive-thru it’s a no-brainer – and i’d be in the back seat helping them.

    i actually had a mini-van when my kids were growing up just for that reason – so i could easily climb over the front seats and get to them quickly if i ever needed to.

    she needs to set up a trust fund for the pocket-knife kid … and make sure he always has the best pocket knife on him at all times.

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  13. Ame says:

    actually … that ‘friend’ was one who eventually stabbed me in the back. it was weird. i think she and my (first) Husband kinda had an emotional ‘thing’ … and then one day she said that i ‘judged’ her b/c of how much money they had or didn’t have (a whole lot more than we did at the time, which didn’t affect me one way or the other; it just was)? it was weird; i never figured it out. one day we were friends; the next we weren’t. i think it might have been more that i had a baby first – it wasn’t a contest (for me, anyway; didn’t even know they were trying).

    men aren’t the only ones who need to ‘next’ women sometimes 😦

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  14. BuenaVista says:

    I have a soft-focus take on the ‘sugar and spice…’ thing. Probably because I’m older. But in my foregone world we expected that ‘sugar and spice …’ was the normal order of things, if we worked ourselves or risked ourselves, to death if necessary.

    As a boy, we were intimately familiar with the Depression, war, economic hardship, medical catastrophe (remember, men died in their mid-sixties until the 1970’s). It was all very recent. Or contemporary: in my town, we lived with ROTC profs who rotated to Nam. We didn’t discuss it in these terms and nor did our fathers. But, you know, my Dad was born, the Depression hit, his aunt was murdered by the Japs, he got polio, WWII started, he enlisted, he was 26 before he could afford a car — and so when I was five, the dominant influence in my life had experienced that and other challenging stuff since birth. He didn’t remark on life’s difficulties, he just remarked: “That’s life.” And he acted like it. My mother had seventy strokes before I was 6 and I had three siblings; there was no whining, so far as I remember. (I actually have about five memories of being under 10.) That was life.

    Anyhow, different time, right? Now social status accrues to the most articulate victims. Since there aren’t any victims, really, we invent them. This was not true then. It was just assumed that men would do anything and everything for family and society; it really was. We were raised to care for our families or, literally, die in the effort. I, literally, took this attitude to work doing difficult things until I was 50. I, literally, was just fine dying on the job, and I almost did a few times. Nothing unusual about that.

    So the reward for assuming this burden — because the notion that a woman could provide for a family, and obviate the requirement for a man was laughable — was we were offered ‘sugar and spice and everything nice’, at least in principle, back home. Very few households were so friendly, of course, but this was the motivation, the prize, the expectation. It’s what we were raised to make possible. It’s why we studied hard and delivered papers and played sports. A guy like me wanted a hot girl for his wife, duh, but we only fell for someone who promised sugar and spice, a haven in a heartless world, to steal the title of one of Christopher Lasch’s books.

    As little boys it seems we always wound up at the same houses. They were the ones where the mother gave us raisons or part of an apple (pop, chips, etc. were too expensive; one of my friends was the son of my pediatrician, and his wife gave us raisons in recycled tuna cans that she washed and stripped of labels: Mrs. Maxwell). Where someone’s mom would ask us how school went, and she smiled and laughed, and she remembered if we liked jelly on our peanut butter sandwiches, and she didn’t embarrass us if we had bad dreams and went sleepwalking out into the street when on a sleepover.

    This is not schmaltzy, sentimental bullshit. This is how it was until 1970.

    Oddly, the 10% of married couples I know, today, who are imminently and obviously happy together, have created a space for sugar and spice. It’s different than it used to be, of course, but you know when you’re looking at a woman who loves her man for his efforts and intentions. As you know when you’re looking at a man who just sighs and shakes his head, when you mention how happy he seems with his wife: He’s not letting go of that thing for any reason ever.

    Recommended: Christopher Lasch. He also wrote Culture of Narcissism, check it out too.

    https://www.amazon.com/Haven-Heartless-World-Norton-Paperback/dp/0393313034

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  15. Ame says:

    BV – your writing often just … transports me to another place.

    so beautifully written … a lament that those times are past and seem unlikely to resurrect once again.

    – – –

    My mother had seventy strokes before I was 6

    whoa. wow. that’s … harsh. my bff in high school had an older sister who was, well, what we might have called ‘mentally retarded’ at one time. i forget her diagnoses, now. one of the things about her, though, was that she often had mini strokes, and the only way they knew was that her personality changed. she was long into her adult years when she passed. it was the one funeral i flew home for. i sat next to her parents. then i took the time to share how beautifully well they took care of their daughter. i sent them a plant because flowers die. they never forgot that i took time to fly in for the funeral, that i sat next to them, that i sent a plant, that i shared how well they loved and cared for her. the Mom passed last year – it was heartbreaking for me, and i couldn’t get back for her funeral. Dad has dementia, and when my BFF was driving him somewhere a few months ago, they drove past the house i grew up in … and in a moment of awareness, he remembered me. “That’s Ame’s house. I wonder how she’s doing now.” “She’s doing well,” my friend assured her Dad. one of the most touching things for me, ever.

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  16. BuenaVista says:

    Ame, the Logan Simmons SuperBoy story resonated with me because, as good Boy Scouts long ago, we longed for such an opportunity to be useful in that fashion. The bulk of boys literature or dramas were about a boy like Logan who leaps to the rescue of Daisy’s cat, or puts out the fire in the barn. (That’s one reason why all these superhero movies with 110 pound ingenues destroying 250 pound men are so stupid: the same Hardy Boys stories said, If you let the bad man get you, you’re DEAD.)

    I was trapped in a blizzard once with my T1 Diabetes grandmother, and of course my schizophrenic mother. I was 16 so had graduated to driver. It was a real blizzard, not what they call a blizzard in North Carolina, which is a flurry. Anyway I had two incapacitated females, one of whom was going to die if she didn’t eat and the other was just going to start shrieking and crying, which remains unpleasant to this day. I got us into a motel before they sold out, and we walked a half-mile against the wind to a restaurant where there was no electricity but a gas grill. Back at the motel, Grandma said, while she shivered under the covers in the bed later wearing her winter coat and her hat, “I’m a tough old chick yet.” That’s a direct quote. Grandpa, who was third generation but spoke German as his first language, when we got there three days later (wind kept closing down the roads out of town with drifts) said something like, “Ya, you handled all that okay.” So I imagine Logan Simmons is feeling pretty good today about his knife purchase and his response to a problem. But I’ll bet you somebody goes after him for having a combat knife documented on TV.

    ***

    Women turn on a dime, Ame. Men don’t, if the relationship we’re talking about has any duration to it. Women are blessed with the ability to forget. Men either follow Ton’s plan (get 10 new ones asap) or sublimate in unhealthy activities.

    I think your non-friend, as you say, was driven outside the lines by your being pregnant first.

    ***

    I always had a tool in my planes that would slice the seat harness and had a hammer-end to break the plexiglas if upside down in a ditch or something. What do planes do after they crash? Usually burn like last year’s Christmas tree. Best to egress.

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  17. Ame says:

    i hope Logan becomes a hero little boys can look up to 🙂

    But I’ll bet you somebody goes after him for having a combat knife documented on TV.

    that thought crossed my mind, but i quickly brushed it away into ‘wishful thinking’ that it won’t happen b/c he saved the kid. AND … he’s not illegal. ugh.

    I was 16 so had graduated to driver. It was a real blizzard, not what they call a blizzard in North Carolina, which is a flurry.

    LOL!

    never been in a real blizzard (or at least that i can recall – perhaps before i was 7 and we lived up north), so i only have pictures and tv to go by.

    Grandpa, who was third generation but spoke German as his first language, when we got there three days later (wind kept closing down the roads out of town with drifts) said something like, “Ya, you handled all that okay.”

    and Grandma was proud of herself … and no woman was whining that her poor 16 year old boy had to do something hard and scary. i wonder how many opportunities are lost to boys growing up b/c mothers won’t allow them to be in scary circumstances and overcome and succeed. what a great experience for you.

    – – –

    Women turn on a dime, Ame. Men don’t, if the relationship we’re talking about has any duration to it. Women are blessed with the ability to forget. Men either follow Ton’s plan (get 10 new ones asap) or sublimate in unhealthy activities.

    – – –

    What do planes do after they crash? Usually burn like last year’s Christmas tree. Best to egress.

    “Don’t worry, Honey … I’ve got the tools I need to get out of that plane if I crash it … everything’s fine!” 🙂 🙂 🙂

    my first Husband traveled a lot. it took a lot of years, but i finally stopped worrying about him. one day … after i stopped worrying about him … his mother called to see if he made it to his destination okay. i replied, “I don’t know … did you see anything on the news about a plane crash?” ummm … apparently NOT the best response for one’s MIL! lol! but … she never asked me again 😉

    I think your non-friend, as you say, was driven outside the lines by your being pregnant first.

    thank you, BV.

    i guess i’m not good with the herd b/c i don’t get that. my friends are friends for life. period. i’ve found out along the way that not all women think like this 😦 … and y’all have taught me so much out here; i’m so grateful.

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  18. Adam says:

    Women turn on a dime, Ame. Men don’t, if the relationship we’re talking about has any duration to it. Women are blessed with the ability to forget.

    BV, this is really good.

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  19. Cheque d'Out says:

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  20. SFC Ton says:

    But my point is, boys carried knives when I was a child: to school, to church, to break the twine on the paper bundle if they delivered papers at 6 a.m.
    ……….

    Legit.

    I didn’t know guns at school was am issue until I joined the army and moved down to Savannah. It was also when I found out there was an anti gun culutre and what not.

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  21. SFC Ton says:

    men aren’t the only ones who need to ‘next’ women sometimes 😦
    ……….

    Every girl i know has 200 plus former best friends. Women don’t tend to like women very much

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  22. SFC Ton says:

    Probably because I’m older. But in my foregone world we expected that ‘sugar and spice …’ was the normal order of things
    …….

    Way back when the judicious use of the pimp hand was over looked as a net positive

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  23. SFC Ton says:

    LOL a blizzard a NC? Not outside the mountains. Not that i recall. We got 28 inches of global warming when I was a kid. I know money got tight because there was no work for a goodly while but us kids had a blast build forts and digging tunnels and going down hills on car hoods, trash can lids and an old mattress. But that was up in Vrigina, back when it was still a Southern State and proud to be the capital of the Confederacey. Never forget the men to die fighting for liberty and sovereignty wore grey

    An ice storm knocked out my power for 11 days once but there still wasn’t any snow that I recall.

    Can’t rightly call it The Ton plane since a Hawaiian fella gave me that advice shorty after my own divorce.

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  24. Liz says:

    I have been mulling stuff over.
    h/t for the excellent pun!

    Per sugar and spice, of course this was an effort to steer the culture in a positive direction. In a similar way, the culture that surrounded boys was intended to steer them in a positive direction. Men do better when they are taught they are superior and not just different versions of girls. Women do better when they are instructed to be nice.

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  25. Liz says:

    Think the sugar and spice culture practiced the art of subtlety a lot better.
    Then: “I’ve been things and seen places”
    Now: (jersey accent) “Lookit deez boobs! I just gawt dem! What are yah gay?!?! Lookit deez boobs!”

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  26. Larry G says:

    Welp, the last of the landscaping is a done deal yesterday (laid a bunch of sod and put in a sprinkler system) and all the summer projects are a wrap…Jeez! Now I have a little free time…I better find more shit to do..

    Kinda on topic…the two young men (23 yo each, unmarried, no girlfriends) were helping me lay sod and talking about the extremely low quality of the females they personally knew. I was interested in the discussion because both of them were coming to the independent realization that the present day females of their generation are little more than feral animals to be used. My ears perked right up hearing that…

    We kicked around the topic of marriage, and both were dead set against the idea altogether, both were raised by single mothers after their dads were ejected from the home. One saw a parade of men going into his mother’s bedroom over the years and only saw his father every other weekend. Eventually, he said his dad just moved away and he has not heard or seen him since he was a teenager.

    These young men were quite surprised that I have stayed married for over twenty-five years to the same woman, but neither of them expect or want wives anyway. There was no point as far as they were concerned.
    One said that he rotated between two females but never slept overnight with either of them, straight sex, then back to his own apartment. He did not want to leave the least impression that he cared for or was concerned about the females he was fucking.

    One hell of an interesting conversation yesterday for sure.

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  27. Liz says:

    Welp, the last of the landscaping is a done deal yesterday (laid a bunch of sod and put in a sprinkler system) and all the summer projects are a wrap…Jeez! Now I have a little free time…I better find more shit to do..
    I’m guessing that’s Colorado livin’!
    We still need to work on the yard…but don’t really have the strength after the past 10 months.

    Our son is home from college for the weekend (age 20). He says it’s just about impossible to find a girl in college who is not crazy. If they aren’t they’re already taken. I told him he should target the freshman and he said that felt like taking advantage of a child. Thought that was pretty funny…He’s a senior this year, but only a couple of years older than the incoming freshmen. He does want to marry, but is looking at the future in the military and once he graduates that will be much slimmer pickins. Lots of barflies in every town hoping to land a pilot, but that’s about it.

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  28. Larry G says:

    “Our son is home from college for the weekend (age 20). He says it’s just about impossible to find a girl in college who is not crazy. If they aren’t they’re already taken. I told him he should target the freshman and he said that felt like taking advantage of a child.”

    tell him to learn a little Russian and go shop for a woman overseas; a better selection on non-batshit crazy females…some are actually feminine!

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  29. On the topic of sugar…

    The sugar-baby whose charred remains (per DNA testing) and personal effects were found in the backyard of the male pictured at this link

    https://www.insideedition.com/mackenzie-luecks-charred-remains-found-backyard-suspected-killer-54039

    most likely did not come close to deserving the horrible fate she chose by becoming a pay-for-sex “girlfriend”. That being said, I wonder what her long-term game plan was (if any). Did she think, “I’ll just keep doing it until I can’t get my current rates, and then I’ll retire.” Ans what was her plan for retirement? Wife and mother? I think some guy just dodged a bullet that hadn’t been fired yet but was definitely in the chamber with the hammer back. What kind of wife does an ex-whore make? Isn’t that the whole point of the saying “You can’t turn a ho into a housewife.”? Are women completely unfamiliar with that phrase?

    Interesting comment at The Other McCain along the lines of, “Soon this Sugar Baby thing is going to be a major on most college campuses.”

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  30. Larry G says:

    “He’s a senior this year, but only a couple of years older than the incoming freshmen. He does want to marry, but is looking at the future in the military…”

    IMO that is a VERY bad idea, “looking at the future in the military”….there is no way in hell I would serve or recommend any young man to the present US military. Just get a good civilian job, make lots of money, buy a house and shag a couple of girl friends…

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  31. Larry G says:

    Just other possibilities….

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  32. Farm Boy says:

    But in my foregone world we expected that ‘sugar and spice …’ was the normal order of things,‘

    I saw the tail end of this. To be honest, I think much more highly of the women of that era that the “glass ceiling shattering” types that came afterward.

    Women were happier, men were happier, children were happier; what is not to like?

    Hillary might disagree, but who cares?

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  33. Stephanie says:

    Trying to type while making pancakes lol

    “I think your non-friend, as you say, was driven outside the lines by your being pregnant first.”

    I just don’t understand this kind of thinking.

    Found a good article last night on “old wisdom,” we could learn from:

    He talks a little on envy from Alexis Tocqueville,

    “Perhaps the most prophetic of Tocqueville’s warnings concern radical egalitarianism and the redistributionist policies created to achieve that aim––what the Founders called the “levelling spirit.” He calls radical egalitarianism “a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom.” This spirit has long haunted American democracy, but the last decade has seen it expand exponentially. The simplistic and duplicitous slogan “income inequality” has become the progressives’ battle cry, while identity politics generates mythic narratives of the oppression and privilege that allegedly cause income disparities. This melodrama of inequality gives the left leverage for gaining the political power to create “social justice,” a euphemism for radical egalitarianism.

    Tocqueville locates the seed of radical egalitarianism in the permanent flaws of human nature, especially the “feeling of envy.” Democratic institutions, which make people equally free, “awaken and foster a passion for equality which they can never satisfy,” in contrast to the “manly and lawful passion for equality” that spurs people to improve their lot. The “depraved passion for equality” cannot be achieved because the simple empirical truth is that people do not equally possess the virtues, talents, industry, and drive necessary for success. But since, as James Madison noted, inequality results from the easily observed “different and unequally faculties of acquiring property,” the solution to inequality will be found in the redistribution of property to achieve what the early progressives called “fiscal justice,” now morphed into the current “social justice.””

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  34. Oddly, the 10% of married couples I know, today, who are imminently and obviously happy together, have created a space for sugar and spice. It’s different than it used to be, of course, but you know when you’re looking at a woman who loves her man for his efforts and intentions.

    The woman I share an office with 1 day a week was showing me pictures of the house her and and husband just bought a few days ago. Although they just moved into their current home which they had built five years ago, the new one is a real beauty. Gorgeous interior, beautiful landscaped grounds. Lovely terraced backyard with pool. Just a wonderful property.

    Now many people would be jealous, or would envious be the right word, but I am truly happy for her because she is one of the “good ones”. Their marriage falls into that 10% and seems to have little chance of dropping out of it. High school sweethearts who broke up when he went to college a year ahead of her, but she followed him there the next year and they were engaged by Christmas. He is far from being Mr. Perfect and she is honestly a 4 at best in the looks department, but they each know their roles and do them very well. She is great at her job and makes just over 100k, and he is very successful in his field as well. They have two kids who seem to be doing well enough, but don’t seem to have any special talents. The couple does tons of shit together by themselves, and they also vacation as a family a couple times each year. No, it’s not a fairy tale without any issues, but it a fucking Disney movie compared to just about everyone else I know.

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  35. Larry G says:

    “The sugar-baby whose charred remains (per DNA testing) and personal effects were found in the backyard of the male pictured at this link…most likely did not come close to deserving the horrible fate she chose by becoming a pay-for-sex “girlfriend”.”

    She chose to play stupid games, and collected the ultimate stupid prize. I have no sympathy for sluts like that. Deserved? No. Expected results? Yep.

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  36. Cheque d'Out says:

    ruh-roh

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  37. Farm Boy says:

    Augsburg University in Minnesota is hosting a month-and-a-half long STEM program…but only for non-white students.
    The school will provide each participant with a stipend of up to $600.

    https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=13287

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  38. Farm Boy says:

    He says it’s just about impossible to find a girl in college who is not crazy

    Many years ago I noticed the same thing. It is probably worse now. Perhaps he should expand his search into “talking cats”

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  39. BuenaVista says:

    “Every girl i know has 200 plus former best friends. Women don’t tend to like women very much,” said The E-7.

    I was married at NYC City Hall. But we formalized the event, and my best friend flew in and did the photography. My wife’s appointed maid was someone we’d never had lunch with; I didn’t know her except by name (which I’ve forgotten) and sight (on campus). My most enduring memory of her was provided by my wife, who once commented, “Well, she’s skinny, obviously, but when she takes a sauna, and sits down, it all just sort of spreads out.” (BV goes for the hardbody TRBs, rah.)

    Anyway, to sustain Ton’s point, not only had I never had lunch with her, we (*literally*, as kids say) never saw her again after the judicial marrying and the party way east in the East Village.

    My friend is still in touch with my ex-wife, almost 40 years later. And obviously he and I meet up a couple times a year; I’ve known him since we both were five, so it’s not going to stop now. Talk once a month. He sent one of his children to my college, which I helped arrange, I think. I am closer to him than my actual brother.

    But women can turn a page. My ex-gf astonishes me: I see her a few times a week at this resort area where I’m heavily sublimating this summer. She visibly shakes and looks at the floor, every time. Then when I say hello, whassup, she’s rude, Peak Bitch. My current theory, which I’m hopeful I can jam into the current book, is that women loathe *not* the men who hurt or disappointed them. But rather the men who didn’t. They’re an easier mark. And that is severely bent, twisted and bad. Especially if the female remains married for the cash and solo vacations. Hank Williams was right: one of the sexes has a predilection for a cold, cold heart. I’d like to get me some of that cold, cold heart.

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  40. BuenaVista says:

    “Women were happier, men were happier, children were happier; what is not to like?” — FB

    This is the nub of why I think the Vox-hate for MGTOW is so stupid. There was a social contract; i.e., there was a trade of mutual value. Today the trade is “Get lucky or get wrecked.” There is no fair trade now. Who plays Russian roulette unless he hopes to blow his own brains out?

    I am not, also, one of these trad-con freaks who expects a woman to wear a bonnet and an Amish dress. (Eh, wouldn’t mind, provided she didn’t spread out when she sat down.) Nor do I agree with trad-con femmes who say that men are “better”; men are better at some things, but men want some sugar and spice that is only, only afforded by a woman. And that’s a team that can produce a legacy.

    So Larry’s 23 year-olds are just being rational. People who shame men for being rational have personal problems. There’s a name for that: whiners.

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  41. BuenaVista says:

    Steph, there was a faction of Cromwell’s army called “The Levellers”. They were furious with some of the grandees who refused to murder and destroy the surviving royalists. Supports your point.

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  42. BuenaVista says:

    If this new prohibition on government “viewpoint discrimination” can only be applied to vanity (motor vehicle) license plates, driving will become more interesting. Virginia DOT, probably acting in my best interests, once denied my request for plate “BAISER”

    Continuing in this French vein, I was dating a French girl who said “Heh-heh, I am your Waterloo.” The next week the car read EAU LOO.

    https://www.thecollegefix.com/campus-speech-codes-endangered-by-supreme-court-trademark-ruling-legal-experts/

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  43. Larry G says:

    BV,
    “So Larry’s 23 year-olds are just being rational. People who shame men for being rational have personal problems. There’s a name for that: whiners.”

    Totally agree, BV. I listened to those two young men discuss and I said little, I asked a couple of questions to keep the conversation going. Both of those men were taking rational and measured approaches to life and interacting with females. MGTOW never came up, it didn’t need to, these guys were already living the lifestyle without the label and as I listened I heard no respect left for the women they knew.

    We did discuss some overseas travel options, one guy was asking about backpacking Europe solo next summer. I suggested he might go for cheaper destinations, say like Moldova, Belarus, Ukraine, Romania, Bulgaria or Georgia….just being a helpful old fart

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  44. Farm Boy says:

    These days when I see “sugar and spice” from a woman, my first reaction is to try to determine if she is using it to manipulate me.

    In the days before, I would have not thought such

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  45. BuenaVista says:

    The French girl is a great business case for “women who afflict the wrong man”. She put me through the wringer but I was a blue pill try-harder sort. We did have some laughs and she’s a good skier and tennis player, which is unusual. Then she went back to her prior boyfriend, who ran a railroad in South Dakota. I think she kicked my ass because he had been a two-timing, passive agressive, political SOB when they had been together.

    Then she moved there, to SD, which is funny if you think about it. Then he kicked her out, before the wedding, when he realized he was now a chick magnet as a railroad magnate with his own jet. Then she … SURPRISE! … announced that she finally knew what she wanted blah blah blah and it was BV! For several years she and one of her gay pals were in serious BV acquisition mode.

    Unfortunately, BV had discovered Just 4 Guys, and the rest of it. No can do, Mademoiselle!

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  46. Farm Boy says:

    For several years she and one of her gay pals were in serious BV acquisition mode.

    What was her approach? Sugar and spice?

    How did the gay pal fit in?

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  47. BuenaVista says:

    “No, it’s not a fairy tale without any issues, but it a fucking Disney movie compared to just about everyone else I know.”

    And it’s just not that hard to achieve, once two people decide that is the objective. But few (~10%) do. A strength of this little blog is that there are a half-a-dozen unicorn females.

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  48. Farm Boy says:

    And it’s just not that hard to achieve, once two people decide that is the objective.

    It is odd that so many don’t see that as the objective.

    Perhaps it has never occurred to them. Or perhaps never been suggested to them

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  49. Farm Boy says:

    Now social status accrues to the most articulate victims

    Well, to be honest I have seen lots of “approved victims” who are anything but articulate

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  50. BuenaVista says:

    New York Times is taking doxxing to a new level — they’re mainstreaming it.

    So it will be an issue for most every blog, at some point. Should think about it in advance.

    [And wonder why people hate the media they do]

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  51. BuenaVista says:

    FB: Yeah, she owned a restaurant, very socially skilled in a traditional sense, and we threw parties at my house that left people speechless. I lived between two Annapolis grads, pilots, and they are no strangers to good times, and one of them asked after the first dinner party, “Who is she and where did you get her?” I mean, I was crazy about her. I had an 18th century house and a garden with five ‘rooms’ that was on the garden tour, and I showed her where I would put her lap pool (which would have wrecked the whole design of house and garden). I was ga-ga.

    Then I learned I was leverage to get RR guy back.

    Then she started calling me from SD in a panic.

    Then she and her gay pals started calling me from DC saying I was her first choice all along.

    (It is possible that we got shitfaced and naked once, but I’m not sure other than some chick spilled an entire glass of red wine on my seagrass living room rug.)

    “Mais non, je suis ton amie mais je ne suis pas stupide!”

    Her name is Karine, and she turned the page. Then she turned the page again!

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  52. Cheque d'Out says:

    The imbecile Guardian has a piece “When Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez met Greta Thunberg:”. Apparently even the clocks run slower in their presence.

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  53. RichardP says:

    You can find in many writings (professional and personal) the sentiment that I think is true: two of the most foundational human needs on an individual level are to be seen (as in, I remember what you like on your peanut butter sandwich) and to be included (“seen” and “included” maybe flip sides of the same coin).

    Some of what BV and Ame have written above seem to be addressing these two foundational needs. To stretch it out a bit further – I think kindness is valued so much because, among other things, kindness involves “seeing” and ‘Including” the other.

    Sugar, and spice, and everything nice may be a meme – but it doesn’t actually exist unless it involves kindness and “seeing” and “including” the other.

    By their fruits you can know them – whether they actually be sugar and spice and everything nice. That is – the old adage from around the manosphere: look at what they do, not at what they say.

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  54. RichardP says:

    In the same vein, as Ame and others have documented so well – some of the nastiest damage done to us is when we are convinced that we are seen by the other and then are blown off. I know what you like on your peanut butter, but I’m not going to give it to you – even though I could

    Giving me honey on my peanut butter, rather than the blackberry jam that I like, can be shrugged off when we know the other doesn’t know what we like.

    When we know that they know what we like and are intentionally giving us something else instead, we understand that that behavior is intended to wound. We are right to turn away from that behavior and shut it out of our lives for the sake of our own emotional survival.

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  55. And it’s just not that hard to achieve, once two people decide that is the objective. But few (~10%) do.

    Well, if the objective is a “happy marriage” it used to be that both people were told it takes some work. Now the female is told, “Don’t worry, you don’t have to do anything after he says I do.” Now-a-days a happy marriage is 100% the man’s responsibility. The man is lied to and told that marriage is a partnership deal, but anytime she wants to a woman go Darth Vader on his ass and alter the deal.

    https://youtu.be/jsW9MlYu31g

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  56. Cheque d'Out says:

    “BAISER” I caused a few laughs in France when I used that word. Honestly, it’s translated as ‘to kiss’ in the dictionary. As it turned out, ‘donner les bissous’ is the accepted way to describe the good morning kisses men give to French women (and men in southern France if so inclined, but I was not).

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  57. Cheque d'Out says:

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  58. Farm Boy says:

    Nearly 100 drivers followed a Google Maps detour — and ended up stuck in an empty field

    http://archive.is/SCs1Q

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  59. BuenaVista says:

    Truly, I don’t remember, it being the summer of sublimation, if I posted this before: A neuroscientific review of how GPS makes us stupid. I think I did. It’s a current hobby horse; I want to send my daughter a couple some topos and a couple of Silvas, and suggest she have her West Point guy teach her land navigation. Because I was never allowed to.

    But apropos the FB’s story, above, about the bozos who would drive into the Washington Mall’s Tidal Pools (like that Congressman’s hooker-gf) if their little box told them to:

    http://www.startribune.com/something-in-our-brain-is-lost-when-we-use-gps/510993052/

    It’s a longer subject, but I really do think that the media we choose radically reorders thought. And I mean radically. I have lived without watching TV now for a good 20 years, other than sports, and that usually in the bar. Since I’m currently in a hotel, there’s a TV, and I give it a shot. I get anxious, worked up and incredibly impatient. I don’t have that reaction to a 500 pp novel. I am in a totally different frame if I start the day with the WSJ and the MPLS Star-Tribune, instead of internet aggregators. I guess all this is extremely trite. But I am wondering if we can’t spot, today, the internet-addicted the way we used to look at someone and say internally, “Oh, the TV is on in your house 18 hours a day.”

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  60. Farm Boy says:

    The drivers seem to be walking around like chickens with their heads cut off. You would think that if the road totally ends there, they would turn around and retrace their steps.

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  61. Farm Boy says:

    In Google we trust. Google can’t be wrong. The world must be wrong

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  62. Farm Boy says:

    As we told you earlier this week, the Secret Service detained a woman for spitting on Eric Trump at a Chicago cocktail lounge. Trump refused to press charges.

    Right on cue, the Washington Post is running an op-ed written by the restaurant owner who kicked out Sarah Sanders last year, and she says that treating certain people badly for the offense of having differing political views and appearing in public is the way it’s going to be now:

    The “rules have shifted” at restaurants because there’s a president in office the Left hates? Yep

    https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2019/06/29/despicable-in-wapo-op-ed-restaurant-owner-who-kicked-out-sarah-sanders-basically-tells-trump-family-staff-to-dine-at-home-or-else/

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  63. Farm Boy says:

    Tijuana, Baja California — Some migrants in Tijuana are trying to purchase children from vulnerable single mothers in local shelters so they can more easily cross into the United States, according to shelter directors, migrants and Tijuana law enforcement authorities.

    https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/border-baja-california/story/2019-06-27/tijuana-authorities-investigating-mgroups-trying-to-buy-children-to-cross-into-the-united-states

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  64. Farm Boy says:

    Gratuitous images

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  65. Liz says:

    Augsburg University in Minnesota is hosting a month-and-a-half long STEM program…but only for non-white students. The school will provide each participant with a stipend of up to $600.

    What if a white student self identifies as non-white?

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  66. Farm Boy says:

    What if Rachel Dolezal applies?

    Or Liz Warren?

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  67. Ame says:

    BV – Grandpa, who was third generation but spoke German as his first language, when we got there three days later (wind kept closing down the roads out of town with drifts) said something like, “Ya, you handled all that okay.”

    Ame – and Grandma was proud of herself … and no woman was whining that her poor 16 year old boy had to do something hard and scary. i wonder how many opportunities are lost to boys growing up b/c mothers won’t allow them to be in scary circumstances and overcome and succeed.

    i re-read that and thought … it’s not only allowing boys to try so they can succeed, but also try and fail. we’ve made failure a thing to avoid at all-costs when failure is such a great teacher … a much greater teacher than a single-mom or hovering mother. of course i am not saying we should throw our children to the wolves and allow them to fail when we know it’s unsafe. duh.

    and i know ‘safety’ is relative here. was it ‘unsafe’ to allow BV to drive in those conditions at 16? no. was safety an issue? yes. if he had poor vision and was unable to see – that would have been unsafe. if he didn’t know how to drive a vehicle, that would have been unsafe.

    is hunting wild animals always ‘safe?’ no. but when you know how to use weapons and to protect yourself, you are ‘safe.’ sending a kid out with a gun who has no knowledge of guns, to hunt wild animals who has not knowledge of wild animals, would be unsafe and foolish.

    etc.

    we’ve distorted what is ‘safe’ for our kids, and we’ve taken away failure. both have been detrimental.

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  68. Ame says:

    SFC Ton
    LOL a blizzard a NC? Not outside the mountains. Not that i recall. We got 28 inches of global warming when I was a kid.

    ’28 inches of global warming’

    LOL!

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  69. Ame says:

    Liz – ‘if a guy remembers your birthday …”

    that is funnee!!!

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  70. Ame says:

    Cheque d’Out
    ruh-roh

    When you pick your dog up from the vet and he gives you that look you know you’re in trouble pic.twitter.com/i0jqG7dzrH

    — ANDREW ALBERTT (@ANDREW1ALBERTT) June 28, 2019

    oh, gosh, Spawny!!! that’s hilarious!!!

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  71. Ame says:

    Farm Boy
    But in my foregone world we expected that ‘sugar and spice …’ was the normal order of things,‘

    I saw the tail end of this. To be honest, I think much more highly of the women of that era that the “glass ceiling shattering” types that came afterward.

    Women were happier, men were happier, children were happier; what is not to like?

    idk if ‘happier’ is the word. there is not one generation past in my family that was ‘happier’ … they were all screwed up. adultery is nothing new. unfaithfulness is nothing new. women being ‘unhappy’ is nothing new. people wanting what they do not have is nothing new. incest is nothing new. etc.

    yet … when we follow the order as designed (by God, btw), then things work for the best even when people aren’t happy.

    when we make ‘happy’ the goal, we miss the point.

    the ‘good ol’ days’ were not always good, but the social construct of an intact family, where Dad and Mom worked as a team to provide, care, nurture the home, the children, and whatever means that couple had of earning a living … things were better, solid.

    i hate the things my parents did, and i hate that they divorced when i was in my 40’s … but i am so thankful, despite how terrible the environment growing up (and it was terrible on many levels), that they didn’t divorce when i was a kid … that i didn’t have to lose a parent … that i didn’t have to grow up in two homes. THAT would have been worse.

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  72. Ame says:

    Farm Boy
    These days when I see “sugar and spice” from a woman, my first reaction is to try to determine if she is using it to manipulate me.

    In the days before, I would have not thought such

    i try to be aware of that. i don’t want to be manipulative, however, it does get things done more expediently and calmly.

    the other side of that is that being ‘sugar and spice’ – kind and thoughtful – is so rare it can attract unwanted attention … i am my Husband’s Wife 🙂

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  73. Ame says:

    Farm Boy
    And it’s just not that hard to achieve, once two people decide that is the objective.

    It is odd that so many don’t see that as the objective.

    Perhaps it has never occurred to them. Or perhaps never been suggested to them

    unfortunately, these days that’s true, Farm Boy. Girls are taught to be all-power, not to need or want help of any kind, men and boys are bad. now we have to go in and reprogram their brains and thinking.

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  74. Ame says:

    BuenaVista

    New York Times is taking doxxing to a new level — they’re mainstreaming it.

    So it will be an issue for most every blog, at some point. Should think about it in advance.

    so scary.

    any recommendations?

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  75. Ame says:

    Nearly 100 drivers followed a Google Maps detour — and ended up stuck in an empty field

    LOL! that’s HILARIOUS!!!

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  76. RichardP says:

    Whether you read it as literature or as the Word of God, there is a direct connection between the Eve of long ago in the Bible and the woman of today.

    You can be somebody so much better than you are now; all you need to do is (fill in the blank)

    The pitch that has worked since first made by the Serpent, all the way through to current marketing efforts. I think being sugar and spice and all things nice is next to impossible for the woman caught up in the chase of satisfying her vanity. It would make for an interesting study, to examing what might make the difference between the woman who is susceptible to that appeal to vanity and the woman who is not (at least not to the point of sabatoging her own life).

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  77. RichardP says:

    Re. the picture of the drivers stuck in a field: does anyone else notice that there is a road running across the top of the picture? You can best see it in the top right-hand corner of the image.

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  78. Liz says:

    What if Rachel Dolezal applies?
    Or Liz Warren?

    It would be kind of fun to identify as non-white for this STEM program.
    I wonder what they would do?
    After they got over the shock of seeing a talking cat of course…

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  79. Liz says:

    If this new prohibition on government “viewpoint discrimination” can only be applied to vanity (motor vehicle) license plates, driving will become more interesting. Virginia DOT, probably acting in my best interests, once denied my request for plate “BAISER”

    I saw a license plate that said MSSTRESS on a sports car at a Twin Peaks in Texas once. 😆

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  80. Farm Boy says:


    Re. the picture of the drivers stuck in a field: does anyone else notice that there is a road running across the top of the picture? You can best see it in the top right-hand corner of the image.

    There does seem to be a road. But can you get there from here?

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  81. Farm Boy says:

    Senator Bernie Sanders was invited to address a gathering of the Indian First Nations chiefs in Denver, CO.

    He spoke for almost an hour about his plans for increasing the standard of living for all of their citizens by totally free government grants for free college educations, free Medicare for all,etc. He mentioned how he always supported these issues that came forward to him.

    Although Sanders was vague about the details for the funding of his plans, he spoke eloquently about his ideas if he wins the White House in 2020.

    At the conclusion of his speech, the chiefs presented him with a
    beautiful plaque inscribed with his new Indian name, “Walking Eagle.”

    The proud Sanders accepted the plaque and then returned to Washington.

    A news reporter asked the chiefs how they came to select the new name they had given to Sanders.

    They explained that “Walking Eagle” is the name given to a bird so full of shit it can no longer fly.

    http://ace.mu.nu/archives/382004.php

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  82. Farm Boy says:

    According to Ngo, his attacker stole his camera equipment. But video footage recorded by another journalist, The Oregonian’s Jim Ryan, clearly shows an antifa activist punching Ngo in the face. Others throw milkshakes at him:

    Throwing milkshakes at right-wing politicians is a tactic of British progressive activists that recently traveled to this side of the Atlantic. Rep. Matt Gaetz (R–Fla.) was hit with one earlier in June. The tactic has its defenders in mainstream left-of-center media as well: Vox’s Carlos Maza tweeted “milkshake them all” after a British activist hurled a milkshake at Nigel Farage.

    Portland police have claimed that some of the milkshakes thrown by the antifa activists on Saturday contained quick-dry cement. That may or may not be true. What is true is that an antifa mob beat up a journalist—one who is harshly critical of them, to be sure, but who posed no physical threat to them and was only there to document their activities—on a public street. This is indefensible, and yet there are tons of progressive-leaning people currently defending it, or at the very least rationalizing and making light of it.

    https://reason.com/2019/06/29/antifa-andy-ngo-mob-milkshake-violence/

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  83. b g says:

    Ame

    “Women were happier, men were happier, children were happier…”

    I think that for many this was actually true, the sexes generally fulfilled their expected roles and the children usually benefitted. Young men were often given a great deal of responsibility when there was a crisis at school. Often the boys in the older grades had to take the kids of the younger grades home when there were blizzards and dust storms. Yeah, sometimes it appeared scary but realistically there truly was no alternative.

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  84. Ame says:

    “Women were happier, men were happier, children were happier…”

    I think that for many this was actually true, the sexes generally fulfilled their expected roles and the children usually benefitted. Young men were often given a great deal of responsibility when there was a crisis at school. Often the boys in the older grades had to take the kids of the younger grades home when there were blizzards and dust storms. Yeah, sometimes it appeared scary but realistically there truly was no alternative.

    i like to think it’s true, BG, even if my family history shows otherwise, because it makes me smile. it’s idyllic … kinda like Cill’s family with Molly – a real-life fantasy 🙂

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  85. SFC Ton says:

    There were level’ist in the American Revolution as well.

    And once again, mainly from up north.

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  86. Cheque d'Out says:

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  87. Is it really the dog’s fault? No. The dog needs a better owner.

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  88. https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/americas-monopoly-crisis-hits-the-military/

    Like TransDigm, this isn’t L3’s first brush with trouble. It was temporarily suspended from U.S. government contracting for using “extremely sensitive and classified information” from a government system to help its international business interests. It was the subject of a scathing Senate Armed Services Committee investigation for failing to notify the Defense Department that it supplied faulty Chinese counterfeit parts for some of its aircraft displays. And it agreed to pay a $25.6 million settlement to the U.S. government for knowingly providing defective weapon sights for years to soldiers serving in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    So, when I read stuff like this and then see that the Democrat debates are talking about abortions for trannies and free healthcare for illegals, it really makes me think this clown-world shit-show has only a few more gasping breaths left in it. The republicans are only slightly, slightly that is, better on this shit, btw.

    A $25 million dollar fine? People should have been shot. Publicly.

    There is a lot more about how the finance industry has basically sold off our ability to defend ourselves as a country at the link.

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  89. Cheque d'Out says:

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  90. BuenaVista says:

    Le E-7 mentions that there were Levelers after the American Revolution. What most people don’t know is that some estimates are that 10,000 English loyalists were strung up (hanged) once the war was concluded. This is alarming, if true, because actual rebel participation in the revolution was a very, very small percentage of American society. There was nothing odd about being loyal to England, then.

    I always quote this number when liberals today talk about the post-war murdering chaos in the various countries the USA presumes to liberate. IOW, of course they’re killing each other; so did we.

    On my Dad’s side, we were 18th century colonialists who sided with the English. So my forebear fled to Canada (to avoid being hanged from a tree), where he somehow talked my other forebear out of her convent in Montreal. Then George III gave them a grant of land in Essex County, Ontario, a farm, which remained in the family until recently. One of my failures in life (which are legion) is that I didn’t have enough money to buy it when my elderly cousin put it on the market 30 years ago. But it was a Crown Grant in the family for 200 years.

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  91. Liz says:

    There is a lot more about how the finance industry has basically sold off our ability to defend ourselves as a country at the link.

    This has been a big problem for a while (obviously…as per the article). For all eight years of Obama Mike watched as computers and blackberries arrived in boxes from China to be distributed to everyone. Kind of reminds me of those multi-million dollar investments in the front gates at the base while the rest of the perimeter is practical-joke level porous.

    Mao said that power derives from the barrel of a gun. In economic terms, power is production or spending that can be directed to an objective. Their culture is more longterm sighted than we. It’s kind of an irony the internet, spawned from the military industrial complex, has led to this problem. Companies prosper or fail based on a 0.5% cost difference half a world away.
    The current economic system will not forgo an extra 0.25% profit this quarter against the speculative possibility that some major shift in the supply chain will blow the entire economy apart.
    Once again, I thank God for Trump. He is the only one who has seen this threat clearly, and done the square root of f*ckall to try and fix it.

    Side note: Think I’ve mentioned this before, but not sure. One big problem the USAF (I only know about this branch, but I’d hazard a guess every branch has similar issues) has in weapons systems/procurement and so forth is the promotion system. Take the F22 program. They start with very smart, very capable military people. What they lacked was any experience in contracts.By contrast, Lockheed has decades of experienced people who know exactly how to write those contracts in their own company’s interest. The military people have a steep learning curve and mistakes are made. They know they’d do it differently next time, but two-three years later they’re on to a different job at the Pentagon, in in the ME or somewhere that has nothing to do with contracts. Next program, they have a completely different set of people who have to reinvent the wheel. While (again) Lockheed has all the same people who know exactly how to do it.
    And that’s just one tiny window. I’m sure this happens again and again with different procurement projects.

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  92. Liz says:

    You have such an interesting family history, BV.
    I know next to nothing about my people. Other than they’re plebs.

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  93. Liz says:

    Thought I’d answer this one a bit more here:
    @Adam: The military is not unique and does not have a monopoly on marriage challenges. I work in the offshore oil & gas and maritime world. Rotations vary here from 1 week to 10 months. That’s 10 months at work, 1 month at home. Mining is another example of this; in Australia we refer to it as FIFO – Fly In, Fly Out. While working you work a 12 hour day, every day. There is no downtime. It’s very hard work in very harsh environments and very isolated. Marriages are affected accordingly.

    What makes the military uniquely challenging isn’t simply the hours or time away, it’s the fact there’s so little control. Typically in the civilian world a person can either quit when they’ve had enough, or they have a set schedule where they know where they are going to be and when. Not a lot of surprise one year deployments with 24 hours notice in the civilian world. They typically aren’t told they have to move at the drop of a hat either, with no option to refuse. And civilians usually have shorter obligation times. When Mike signed the papers, he was locked into 10 years mandatory service at the start. That was the price to fly those jets. Which is understandable because the military spent a great deal of money into his training. But that didn’t make it easier as a 20 year old wife to know I’d be 30 (which seemed insanely old then) before he’d have the option to get out. Ten years later, he’s stop lossed and wasn’t even permitted to leave (for a time).
    At any rate, those are some of the unique challenges. This is not a complaint, but to assert there’s nothing unique about the military is quite ignorant.

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  94. Farm Boy says:

    Another reason girls of old were taught “sugar and spice”

    This is because in general women handle power very badly. To understand how women instinctively use power, one need only observe young girls playing in a schoolyard. Whereas boys will immediately begin to play an invented game and make up and adjust the rules as they are needed, girls spend nearly all their time carefully constructing a complicated and bewildering litany of rules that are all specifically designed to keep every girl in her allotted social place. This behavior does not change into adulthood; it merely becomes slightly more sophisticated. Everyone knows that girls mature faster than boys. What is left unsaid is that their maturity development permanently halts at the age of 16.

    https://pushingrubberdownhill.com/2019/06/29/dear-janet-you-embody-the-entire-feminist-problem/

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  95. Liz says:

    Just to add, I’m sure there are unique challenges to different types of jobs.
    There are unique challenges to all sorts of things (having children has its own set of unique challenges, working in mining I’m sure has its own set of unique challenges).
    I’m not going to stand on my soapbox and claim there are no unique challenges to…something I have no experience in whatsoever.

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  96. Farm Boy says:


    TRUMP: “I didn’t really expect it. We were in Japan for the G20 — we came over — and I said, hey, I’m over here, I want to call up the Chairman, Kim, and we got to meet, and stepping across that line was a great honor. A lot of progress has been made. A lot of friendships have been made. And this has been, in particular, a great friendship. So, I just want to thank you. That was very quick notice, and I want to thank you.”

    Kim, hearing the translation, breaks into a (seemingly) natural smile

    Kim makes no statement at that point, but we did hear him speak, at the point where Trump stepped across the border. You know how important borders are to Trump. The translator called out the words: “I never expected to meet you — at this place…. You’ll be the first U.S. President to cross the border.”

    https://althouse.blogspot.com/2019/06/trump-pays-spontaneous-visit-to-kim.html

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  97. Farm Boy says:

    Progressive policies pretty much always result in the same thing: the poor stay poor, the middle class gets poorer, and the rich stay rich — even if a little less so.

    It reminds me of something Margaret Thatcher said 23 years ago of liberals, “They would rather the poor were poorer, provided that the rich were less rich.” Thatcher’s comment is as true today as it was then.

    https://politichicks.com/2019/06/progressives-dont-care-if-the-poor-get-poorer-so-long-as-they-gain-power/

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  98. Liz says:

    What I liked about the “surprise” meetup with KJU was…the media had no time to prepare and spin it.
    They just had to report the straight story.

    [Like this also I did]

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  99. Farm Boy says:

    The Post suggested the increase in abuse was due to the patriarchal oppression against women in Japanese culture. A more likely explanation is that men are feeling more comfortable coming forward, or feel they need to in order to protect themselves.

    The Post reported a survey of Japanese men in 2017 found the problem may be much higher than reports indicate. The survey found that 14.5% of male respondents said they had been abused by a domestic partner, an increase from the 10.8% who said the same in 2014 and the 8.1% who said as much in 2002.

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/49010/domestic-violence-rise-japan-its-men-who-are-ashe-schow

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  100. Farm Boy says:

    It’s past time to #impeach #Portland #Mayor @tedwheeler. He’s allowing street thugs to assault journalists, blockade hospitals, and pull pedestrians out of their cars. His behavior is disgraceful and impeachment proceedings must begin immediately. @MrAndyNgo

    — Peter Boghossian (@peterboghossian) June 30, 2019

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  101. Liz says:

    Not sure if this was posted:
    http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/06/andrew-sullivan-democrats-are-in-a-bubble-on-immigration.html?fbclid=IwAR37SAxvtUUXWzsFEmDtr9Z23EoIPKkatiDRzWmBoV0ncBfnk89KBL13e8I

    “When I’m told only white racists favor restrictionism, I note how the Mexican people are more opposed to illegal immigration than Americans: In a new poll, 61.5 percent of Mexicans oppose the entry of undocumented migrants, period; 44 percent believe that Mexico should remove any undocumented alien immediately. Are Mexicans now white supremacists too? That hostility to illegal immigration may even explain why Trump’s threat to put tariffs on Mexico if it didn’t crack down may well have worked. Since Trump’s bluster, the numbers have measurably declined — and the crackdown is popular in Mexico. I can also note that most countries outside Western Europe have strict immigration control and feel no need to apologize for it. Are the Japanese and Chinese “white supremacists”? Please. Do they want to sustain their own culture and national identity? Sure. Is that now the equivalent of the KKK?”

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  102. Farm Boy says:

    There are few remaining survivors of concentration camps. Ed Mosberg is one of them.

    And the 93-year-old from Morris Plains, NJ, has no time for Rep. ­Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s statements last week, when she called the southern border’s migrant detention centers “concentration camps.”

    “She should be removed from Congress. She’s spreading anti-Semitism, hatred and stupidity,” Mosberg told The Post. “The people on the border aren’t forced to be there — they go there on their own will. If someone doesn’t know the difference, either they’re playing stupid or they just don’t care.”

    https://nypost.com/2019/06/29/nobel-prize-in-stupidity-holocaust-survivor-wants-aoc-out-of-congress/

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  103. Farm Boy says:

    Penguin Beach is home to the Zoo’s most famous same-sex couple, Ronnie and Reggie, and our #penguins are joining in on the #Pride celebrations! ?? Discover more about our pride-themed activities at the Zoo! ?????? https://t.co/G62kM4oKGA #PrideInLondon @PrideInLondon #ZooLife pic.twitter.com/uIWSb7Ah5F

    — ZSL London Zoo (@zsllondonzoo) June 26, 2019

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  104. BuenaVista says:

    I have had a few of the more demanding jobs in the world, a couple of which put me in the hospital, but they don’t compare to the conditions of military service. As Liz noted, I was free to quit. Nobody was going to put me in Leavenworth if I quit. I find the above assertion to be an unsuccessful effort in creating a (false) equivalency.

    I think it’s appropriate to indenture military personnel, but the military v. contractor wage scale is, what?, 1-3? 1-4? Maybe the military wouldn’t bleed human capital if they didn’t use law and tradition to punish their most valuable men.

    I probably mentioned this before but one of my rural acquaintances drove (helmsman) one of the USN carriers. (Farm boys, Go Navy!) Then he moved below decks to work on the F-18s. He really misses those jobs and the life. He doesn’t miss working 20 hour days because the USN is perpetually short-staffed these days.

    It must be absolute hell right now being responsible for achieving 80% readiness with the F-22 fleet. The airlines can’t do this to their pilots and techs: they’ll just change companies.

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  105. BuenaVista says:

    Trump’s impromptu visit to NK, obviously, is causing Bubble World to pee in their pants.

    But you know? It’s mundane behavior in business. “Hey Joe, we got the plane, let’s stop and see that bozo who turned us down in January.” “Sir, sir, shouldn’t we set this up and have an agenda and …. you could be embarrassed!” “We’ll see if he wants to have a cup of coffee. Somebody has to break the silence. Big fucking deal, and I don’t think he’s going to stiff the CEO of the biggest company in the world.”

    And the Trumpster walks onto the ground of the Hermit Kingdom, unique among our Presidents.

    Sometimes you just show up at someone’s building and say, “I was in town for XYZ, thought we could take a few minutes. Be good to see you.” You resuscitate a lot of deals (or love affairs, incidentally, if you are of the catch and release … and catch persuasion) this way.

    I have a prominent friend who’s losing his shit constantly about how unpredictable and insane Trump is, because the minions, Jonathan Swift style, can’t tie him down with their thousand pieces of string. Honestly, I find Trump obvious and transparent. You’re on the other side of the world for 24 hours? “Who else can we see while we’re in this town? Let’s pack the schedule and sleep on the way home.” So of course you’re going to go see Fat Boy Jr. at the DMZ.

    Likewise, cracking wise with Putin. “Hey, Vlad, watch this …” and Putin can hardly contain himself at Trump trolling the aghast, meaningless press. Putin is inscrutable except when he’s amused, and he was mighty amused. He also mimicked Trumps weird body language (leaning forward, elbows on knees, showing supplication) when doing the standard joint-statesman meet-and-greet. Usually, is doing the alpha/PUA pose, where’s he’s leaning back and spreading his legs or crossing them. I’ve never seen Putin sitting as he was in the Trump/Putin meet-and-greet. If he wins a second term the world’s going to be transformed without another stupid war.

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  106. Farm Boy says:

    Trump’s impromptu visit to NK, obviously, is causing Bubble World to pee in their pants.

    Yes, this does bring a smile to my face

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  107. Farm Boy says:

    Somehow Trump seems to have more energy than May.

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  108. RichardP says:

    I walked into the kitchen to get something at almost midnight, and turned on news radio to see what was up for the short time I would be there. The dj’s were talking about what was about to happen – so I went into the living room and turned on the television and called wife to watch with me. Her dad spent a couple of bitter-cold winters in Korea as a teenager during the Korean hostilities, so this was especially poignant for her.

    Watching, I noticed the following, and I wonder how many others did also. Trump walked up to the border and stopped – and stood there waiting. After Trump stopped at the border, the North Korean leader approach the border from his side from some distance away. I’m sure that did not just happen. I’m sure that Trump’s folks insisted that things unfold this way. The boss, being approached by a subordinate. The world would have had a field day if it had been the other way around – Trump being the subordinate approaching the boss.

    Also, I notice the KJU specifically motioned for Trump to cross the border into North Korea. Trump did not move until he was invited. Can you imagine the uproar if Trump had just walked across the border “because he could” – rather than waiting to be invited?

    One of the talking heads on news radio said a few days ago that, while Republican / conservative, he was not fond of Trump in the beginning. Thought he was a bit of a scalawag and a showboater. I didn’t realize that he had courage – said the radio guy, explaining why he had come to support Trump.

    To continue the theme from the last thread, I think Trump also has discovered the value in letting folks think he is a bumbling idiot. In some things, maybe he could rightly be called that. But, as he displayed in that brief episode at the border with KJU, he knows that the small things are important when conducting business (waiting to be invited to cross the border). And the courage to carry out his principles (spur-of-the-moment shout-out to meet at the border and then insisting that he be approached, rather than him approaching KJU

    Consider the optics for the worker-bees of South Korea. Someone is finally making an effort to do something about the North Korean problem. Don’t know if this is true, but the guys on the radio said that the South Korean President welcomed Trump the way one would welcome a conquering hero.

    And then there are the Nattering Nabobs, nattering away, thoroughly pissed that the leader of the free world is not following their script for what they will “allow” him to do.

    Probably going to be the next Dos Equis guy when he’s done being President.

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  109. Farm Boy says:

    Perhaps it is good that May is of low energy

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  110. Farm Boy says:

    And then there are the Nattering Nabobs, nattering away, thoroughly pissed that the leader of the free world is not following their script for what they will “allow” him to do.

    The people have figured out that they don’t have their best interests in mind. But word of this hasn’t filtered to them yet. At least they don’t believe it when they have heard it.

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  111. earl says:

    ‘He says it’s just about impossible to find a girl in college who is not crazy’

    Well when it’s usually about binge drinking, contraception, and cheap hookups…how could a woman in college not go crazy?

    I was in college in the early 2000s and you could already see the widespread crazy there, it’s not the place where a woman learns wifecraft.

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  112. Ame says:

    Liz – What makes the military uniquely challenging isn’t simply the hours or time away, it’s the fact there’s so little control.

    when i read this i realized how HUGE it is that Mike gets to take his time and make his own decision about the pilot position. what a gift that he gets to do that 🙂 … what an even greater gift you are to him 🙂

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  113. Farm Boy says:

    Well when it’s usually about binge drinking, contraception, and cheap hookups…how could a woman in college not go crazy?

    Are they crazy before they get college? Does this just “cement” it in?

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  114. Ame says:

    Richard – Watching, I noticed the following, and I wonder how many others did also. Trump walked up to the border and stopped – and stood there waiting. After Trump stopped at the border, the North Korean leader approach the border from his side from some distance away. I’m sure that did not just happen. I’m sure that Trump’s folks insisted that things unfold this way. The boss, being approached by a subordinate. The world would have had a field day if it had been the other way around – Trump being the subordinate approaching the boss.

    Also, I notice the KJU specifically motioned for Trump to cross the border into North Korea. Trump did not move until he was invited. Can you imagine the uproar if Trump had just walked across the border “because he could” – rather than waiting to be invited?

    i did notice that.

    i also noticed that Trump decided when to return across the border. a moment there. a handshake. then Trump motioned to return.

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  115. Ame says:

    BV – thank you for sharing this … i *really* appreciate your perspective. i copied this and sent it to my daughters.

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  116. Ame says:

    oops – this one was Richard – copied this and sent to daughter, too!

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  117. Ame says:

    BV – thank you for sharing this … i *really* appreciate your perspective. i copied this and sent it to my daughters.

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  118. Liz says:

    To continue the theme from the last thread, I think Trump also has discovered the value in letting folks think he is a bumbling idiot.

    Trump was actually the quintessential example I was thinking of when I said being underestimated is to one’s advantage (at times).
    More interesting (at least to me), Trump is somehow able to be both underestimated (by those whom it is advantageous to be underestimated) and to inspire confidence in others (those whom it is advantageous to inspire). This is no small feat. It’s actually damn near miraculous (from my vantage point).

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  119. Farm Boy says:

    Kim noticed what BV did

    Kim Jong-un also added that he and Trump “have created a precedent where we can meet at any time we want without being restrained to venue and format.”

    https://pjmedia.com/homeland-security/trump-makes-history-restarts-nuclear-talks-and-steps-foot-in-north-korea/

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  120. Farm Boy says:

    Trump has balls

    Guys can respect that
    Chicks can too

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  121. Ame says:

    btw – $.98 for “Her Essential Wisdom”

    WAAAAAAAY overpriced … esp considering her definition of ‘essential wisdom’ … or even simply ‘wisdom’

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  122. Liz says:

    Penguin Beach is home to the Zoo’s most famous same-sex couple, Ronnie and Reggie, and our #penguins are joining in on the #Pride celebrations! ??

    This zoo is obviously behind the power curve. Gay penguins was already done. They need transgender penguins!
    Then they can simultaneously capitalize on that, plus a new country song:
    “I met a girl like Daddy”

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  123. Farm Boy says:

    Not only do they need transgender penguins, they need to put them on that path when they are wee chicks

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  124. earl says:

    ‘ Does this just “cement” it in?’

    Cements it…they are no longer under the roof of their either lenient or overbearing parents.

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  125. Farm Boy says:

    Stones and glass houses and stuff

    Socialist Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY) was widely mocked over the weekend after she took a shot at the job credentials of President Donald Trump’s daughter, Ivanka Trump.

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/49022/ocasio-cortez-complains-about-ivanka-trumps-job-ryan-saavedra

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  126. Farm Boy says:

    Hard to please

    SF Pride parade moving again after a group of protestors blocked the route at 6th and Market St. A protestor told us they stopped the parade because @SFPD are walking along the route & the officers discriminate against trans people. #sfpride #KPIX pic.twitter.com/xlx76MFpDm

    — Katie Nielsen (@KatieKPIX) June 30, 2019

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  127. BuenaVista says:

    President Moon of SK said something to the effect of “President Trump is bringing peace to the Korean peninsula.”

    1. This is very affecting to me: it is a succinct statement of hope and praise.

    2. Of course, the talking heads, who said that Trump would toss the world into a pit of death and flame, are now screeching that Trump’s not “confronting” more regimes.

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  128. Farm Boy says:

    Apparently the street cant figure out what it identifies as

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  129. Farm Boy says:

    “And what is it with your coziness with some of these dictators and autocrats at these summits?” Acosta asked. “With Mohammad Bin Salman, the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia, when you were asked about the case of Jamal Khashoggi, you did not respond to that question in front of the Saudi Crown Prince.”

    “I don’t know that anybody asked me,” Trump responded.

    “Were you afraid of offending him on that subject?” Acosta asked.

    “No, not at all,” Trump responded. “I don’t really care about offending people. I sort of thought you’d know that.”

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/49023/watch-trump-humiliates-cnns-acosta-japan-audience-ryan-saavedra

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  130. Ame says:

    for the pilots:

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