Vox’s anti-MGTOW Crusade


Has anyone else seen Vox’s recent crusade about MGTOW?

There are are a few related streams on youtube:

There are a couple of related links on his blog.

http://voxday.blogspot.com/2019/06/reprehensibly-stupid.html

http://voxday.blogspot.com/2019/06/the-purpose-of-man.html

I read his blog often. I value the content in general. The comments are a mixed bag, only some of which I can relate to. I haven’t commented there in years.

Anyway, the point of the post. Finally. I’m somewhat conflicted by this turn of events because:

1) I like what I think is Vox’s overall goal; a decent society along Christian lines. (I’m not a believer but I’m not a hater either. The fundamental values of my society 50-100 years ago are fine by me and they’re rooted in Christianity). If he thinks this is part of getting to that goal then I’m reluctant to hinder him even at the cost of shaking my head at this tactical move.

2) he sounds so much like a blowhard tard conservative (I do NOT mean traditional) pushing the same old just climb out of the trench and start walking towards the machine gun nests, some of you might make it to glory that I had a double take. I’d have thought he’d of had a more inspirational strategy. Shame won’t work on actual MGTOWs. Will it work on the upcoming young men?

‘Factory’, a very old name in MGTOW and men’s rights popped up in Vox’s comments, fighting the good fight.

3) does he consider an attempt to fix the legal system non-viable right now? I reckon you’d get a lot of MGTOWs returning to marriage if the legal side wasn’t such a shitshow. I refer people to the Divorce Corp. video for an explanation of the problem.
https://youtu.be/vhfITqSsUYI

4) Vox’s ‘all MGTOWs lie about everything’ is clearly rhetorical, I understand that, but it’s still a huge turn-off to me. Either he’s not aiming this argument at me (fair enough, he has more numerous rhetorical fish to fry. It could well be good tactics). Or, he has no dialectical argument to make, so he can’t argue on any reasoned basis why men en masse ought to take the marriage gamble. I agree with him that the risks are dependant on the individual but he appears to be saying that all men have a duty to marry whomever they can nab.


I’m not American, nor a believer, so I’m reticent about expressing a hard opinion on this about how it’ll play out in a foreign to me market.

Anyone else got a view?

I’m sure that there are good men here who felt they’d done their due-diligence but still ended up divorced.

He appears to be ignoring the nature of some modern women. As one commentator on his blog pointed out; Vox has been outside of the US for twenty years now. That’s a lot of time. And I doubt that the Americans that he meets are representative of the full spectrum of American society.

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249 comments on “Vox’s anti-MGTOW Crusade
  1. Adam says:

    I did a podcast on it here:

    https://pushingrubberdownhill.com/2019/06/18/podcast-112-should-you-get-married-and-have-children-episode/

    And clarified another point here:

    https://pushingrubberdownhill.com/2019/06/18/courage-and-cowardice/

    As for this point of yours:

    I’m sure that there are good men here who felt they’d done their due-diligence but still ended up divorced.

    Yeah, that would be me. And so what? There are no guarantees in life. But the odds are stacked against us. And once again, so what? You just gonna stay all by yourself and feel sorry for yourself while you win because you don’t play the game?

    You don’t win by not playing the game. You lose. It’s the cowards’ way out. And Vox generalizes against MGTOWs because it’s a colony of incels. I have scant respect for a man who gets knocked down and then cries about it, but I have total contempt for those who never get on the playing field in the first place whilst simultaneously crying about how hard done by they are because it’s all stacked against them. The fact that Vox has taken so much flak is because he is right over a very fertile target.

    Real men get on with it. Does one get over these events? No. So we collect scars that will hurt at the most unexpected moments. But we tell no one and carry on regardless.

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  2. earl says:

    ‘He appears to be ignoring the nature of some modern women. As one commentator on his blog pointed out; Vox has been outside of the US for twenty years now. ‘

    Yes it’s amazing how far they’ve fallen in even 20 years. Granted this started back in the 60s but we are knee deep in the fruits of that currently.

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  3. Adam, do you have any children?

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  4. hansolo007 says:

    Not all MGTOWs are the same. Those who stick to themselves I think Vox has no particular quarrel with (sure, he’d like them to try and get married but he’s not going out of his way to attack them). And then there are red pill MGTOWs vs black pill MGTOWs. The red pills will point out the risks but also not go around saying all women are whores or all women (or even 75%) will frivorce you. Black pillers will, it’s all doom and gloom, like Denethor in Lord of the Rings. It’s really the black pill MGTOWs who try to evangelize to other men that he’s going after. And he said numerous times on the videos that he agrees with the red pill view that marriage/divorce laws are stacked against men, that frivorce is a risk, etc. But he said the black pill views are false. I agree with that.

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  5. hansolo007 says:

    On the macro level we need to reform society. Society’s elites and the feminist herd corrupt many women into resenting men, putting off marriage and kids, and unleashing their hypergamy, along with glorifying “courageous” single mothers, legislating female supremacy and promoting divorce.

    On the personal level, we need to learn and accept red pill truths but not give in to black pill despair. It took me a long time but I found a great wife and we’re having our first child. Due to unleashed hypergamy, many men may need to settle a bit more than they would have in the past but they can still find a reasonably virtuous woman to marry and have a family and grow together. To find that virtuous woman, maybe they have to settle somewhat in her looks or intelligence but getting a 6 and having a family is better than holding out for the 6.5 or 7 you would have gotten 100 years ago when there was a lot less women who were unrealistically only willing to marry someone 1-3 points higher than their own marriage value.

    Compared to the past, far fewer men are dying in war or of disease, we are relatively wealthy and so forth. Yes, the legal and cultural environment suck in many ways but there are also many advantages. And yes, many men will struggle and may never marry. I feel terrible for those who would like to.

    On a macro level, MGTOWs may make women wake up someday but it’s a very long-term feedback loop for all the incentives to filter through to basically create a generation of spinsters who lament their solitary existence, fewer children, and so that the elites stop promoting barrenness and importing incompatible immigrants, and to return to promoting motherhood and marriage (e.g. stop saying that women should put off marriage and kids to be a corporate drone and ride 5 or 10 or 20 cocks before she can settle down). Most men simply are betas (Heartiste sense) and follow what the female herd demands of them to have sex (or they drift off into the forest if they can’t get any) and so the feedback loop for society to worsen enough due to men’s increased absence will take a long time. So the more men can improve themselves to the point where they can attract and find a virtuous woman and take her out of the corrupt herd and be her personal “alpha stallion” or even greater beta “stallion” to lead her, and together raise future children that will hopefully follow the same pattern, the faster things can get better.

    So, I think there’s a lot that can be done, both on the personal level to create that family that will create the future people more likely to make a better society, and we can also try to influence society at large. Revolutions are usually only fought by a small % of people. By many people each doing a small part, it will add up.

    Finally, I’d say that Vox is doing far more than most to try and get people to realize the truth about society and to improve things, so I’m willing to give him a lot of leeway. Also, he constantly has people attacking him so he’s responding more to them than to all MGTOWs (though he didn’t clarify that) and I don’t think he’s trying to convert the luke warm by being nice and reasonable all the time. He’s more preaching to the red pill choir (which is fine, since the choir needs preaching to).

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  6. Farm Boy says:

    Yes it’s amazing how far they’ve fallen in even 20 years

    Can this be quantified?

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  7. SFC Ton says:

    Vox is a pussy who runs his mouth behind a wall of 3rd party providers of might = right ie cops and a legal system.

    That men respect him demonstrates how far men have fallen

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  8. Adam says:

    Adam, do you have any children?

    None that I know of.

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  9. h0neyc0mb says:

    Same here .. except I did get a lil son sun in Florida once 😂

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  10. Mega says:

    I occasion the Vox blog regularly as well. He completely lost in one of the comments on his MGTOW rampage. Declared that “statistics don’t matter” … because just because 99% of men come out on the losing end of the Feminist Divorce Machine … don’t mean YOU WILL.

    Seriously, the odds of winning the lottery at 9 billion to 1. BUT IF I PLAY … I”M GOING TO WIN … because, you know, … stats don’t matter.

    The current rampage is as bad as his rants on Boomers or his hatred of JP.

    Dude’s got some issues. And I concur … think a lot of his lack of understanding, is that he left the US a long time ago and therefore doesn’t understand the current environment … BUT BELIEVES HE DOES … believes he does … BETTER … than those who actually live there and deal with it every day. Talk about an ego trip.

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  11. Ame says:

    Adam
    Adam, do you have any children?

    None that I know of.

    lol! Adam wins the prize for making me laugh tonight! that sounds like my brother … i’m guessing that i have more nieces and nephews around the world somewhere than the two we know of 😉

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  12. […] Spawny’s Space put up a thread on the topic and I had this to say: […]

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  13. “None that I know of.”

    That’s about the same order of flippant as your “And so what.” response to the dissolution of your own marriage.

    I guess it was meant to be humorous, but wonder how many fatherless bastards would be laughing along with you…

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  14. earl says:

    ‘Yeah, that would be me. And so what? There are no guarantees in life. But the odds are stacked against us. And once again, so what? You just gonna stay all by yourself and feel sorry for yourself while you win because you don’t play the game?’

    Play the game of divorce. No thanks…divorce should be the farthest thing from marriage. Besides if you look at marriage like it is a game…good luck on having a successful marriage. It’s about building families. The main reason many men lament is because rather than sacrificing for others, they are only living for themselves…even if they are married.

    Besides it’s not even like God condemns celibacy if it is for the sake of the Kingdom of Heaven…it’s just that fewer people take that route.

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  15. jg1 says:

    It would be better to be called an incel than be raped by the divorce court mafia and have ones life destroyed by it. No amount of shaming will work until something is done about the gynocentric socioeconomic structure we are living in at the present moment. The DailyMail of Australia wrote a column about teenage boys GTOW. The boys being interviewed said that they decided to go their own way because
    (1). The blatant misandry in Australian society today.

    (2). Australian women have become insufferably feminist,entitled,
    arrogant and demanding. Their expectations are so high even the . teenage girls are behaving like their elder sisters. The women
    over there have priced themselves out of the dating market.
    Hence a man drought exists in all major cities there because
    most of the Australian men are in Thailand, Vietnam, Cambodia
    and the Philippines.

    (3). Too many of them have observed how divorce raped their
    own fathers, friends and cousins fathers etc,and have had their
    lives destroyed by the courts.

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  16. BuenaVista says:

    I got a lot out of Vox’s taxonomy of male archetypes (the alpha, sigma etc. defininitions).

    I can’t read him any longer: He’s stridently the expert on any subject he raises. Pretty weird (constructing argument on appeals to authority, said authority being ME-ME-ME). Then his dumber acolytes try to emulate him and the whole thing becomes a low-brow chest-pounding shitshow. Dalrock’s not like this, but a lot of his rifle-bearers appear to be.

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  17. jg1 says:

    He has created an echo chamber with a cult following. I agree with BV that his blosposts have become unreadable and quite annoying to say the least.

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  18. BuenaVista says:

    There’s a Naval War College prof named Tom Nichols (radiofreetom on twitter) whose genius move to promote his book on the dearth of Experts, and the inadequacy of the respect and deference shown to experts — like RadioFreeTom — is to insult everyone who doesn’t fawn all over him. Vox reminds me of him.

    I like provocateurs, rancor and spleen in the service of wit (Buckley, ChristopherHitchens, football coach Mike Leach) but my sense is people like Nichols and Vox are thinking spleen is sufficient, and wit is too much work.

    Or, absent wit, and some humility, we’re really just talking about self-centered assholes.

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  19. BuenaVista says:

    There’s a whole school of trenchant speech on aviation radio. Of course the Goody Two-Shoes (flight instructors, dentists) don’t indulge. They sound like robots. They won’t shut up.

    But in general aviation there are always grown men demonstrating how orderly and punctilious they are, and to do this they won’t shut up.

    I used to fly my Decathlon with my mentor, Capt. Steve, who also had a Decathlon, and we’d bop around the Virginia countryside in formation, including takeoffs and landings. By formation, I mean, in good weather, 20′ separation, which is more work in a little plane with very low wing-loading.

    We hangared in Leesburg, VA which is suburban DC and filled with all kinds. These guys would s-t-r-e-t-c-h out their patterns and never shut up while we’re two miles out on final because some guy in a Skyhawk imagines he’s flying a DC-10.

    Steve is a 50,000 hour corporate pilot who flew out of Pleiku in SVN. He’s blue collar and snarky to the max.

    So we’re on two mile final behind Captain Poopy Pants in his Skyhawk, tight formation, we landed by driving down at 75% power to 400′ and on lead’s command, pulling power to idle, which puts a Decathlon on the numbers. Capatain PP lands and starts talking again and doesn’t clear the runway. When he finally does we’re rolling out. Technically this is a violation (by us) because Captain PP had not yet turned off the active runway.

    Captain PP: “Skyhawk blah-blah-blah clear runway 35 Leesburg ….”

    Captain Steve: “Congratulations!”

    Captain PP: “Decathlon flight of two, I can report you for careless and reckless …” [“I’m going to tell Teacher! you horrible man!]

    Captain Steve: “Report to my hangar # 17.”

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  20. jg1 says:

    As Vox is making some efforts in the comics and publishing industry, he is starting to make money from his ventures. Maybe with his rising wealth and 153 IQ which he uses as an impenetrable fortress to his mind, he has turned out this way. Being Mr. Knowall is just as insulting and disgusting as well.His fawning followers bending over backwards to appease the Supreme Dark Lord need to get their heads out of their a***s and start thinking for themselves. This is almost like Stockholm Syndrome…I maybe wrong about this!!

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  21. Mega says:

    Nothing exposes Vox’s arrogance like his attitude towards alternative platforms. He’s all for it and pushes it often … build your own platforms !!! he says over and over again. But when somebody does … like Gab or BitChute or Dissent/Dissenter … they’re not good enough … because HE DIDN”T DO IT.

    And, yeah, the pathetic sycophants on the site are intolerable.

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  22. jg1 says:

    The thing is that the more he insults and abuses his audience, they go back and genuflect to him taking even more abuse!!!

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  23. Adam says:

    Play the game of divorce. No thanks…divorce should be the farthest thing from marriage. Besides if you look at marriage like it is a game…good luck on having a successful marriage. It’s about building families. The main reason many men lament is because rather than sacrificing for others, they are only living for themselves…even if they are married.

    My own divorce blindsided and crushed me. I have never been through anything that comes close to its misery, and I fought against getting a divorce the whole way. My entire point is that you need to get back up off the canvas and keep living your life to the best of your ability.

    And I don’t look at marriage as a game, that was merely a figure of speech. And you know that, Earl.

    As for your comment on men living only for themselves, we all have much to learn in our time on earth, and I am no better than others in this regard.

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  24. RichardP says:

    @earl said: Besides it’s not even like God condemns celibacy …

    What they don’t teach boys in Sunday School:

    1. It is not good for man to be alone, says God (Genesis 2:18)

    2. Here – take this woman that I made especially for you, says God.

    3. She will force you to choose between her and me.

    4. That’s how I knew it would be when I made her for you.

    5. How is that a good thing?, thinks Adam.

    6. Whatever shall I do?

    7. Repeat from Point 1.

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  25. earl says:

    Sure Richard…

    And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.”

    The disciples *said to Him, “If the relationship of the man with his wife is like this, it is better not to marry.” But He said to them, “Not all men can accept this statement, but only those to whom it has been given. For there are eunuchs who were born that way from their mother’s womb; and there are eunuchs who were made eunuchs by men; and there are also eunuchs who made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. He who is able to accept this, let him accept it.”

    Matthew 19:9-12

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  26. earl says:

    ‘And I don’t look at marriage as a game, that was merely a figure of speech. And you know that, Earl.’

    No I didn’t know that…until you said it.

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  27. Eidolon says:

    I believe Vox’s point is, if something is necessary and right, we need to do it. In that case the statistics don’t matter.

    What were the odds of the Romans defeating the Carthaginians? What were the odds of the Spanish reclaiming their lands from the Muslims? What were the odds a given Crusader would survive a given battle?

    A substantial possibility of failure and evil and undeserved consequences is irrelevant when we’re talking about something we have been commanded by God to do. If a man’s people and homeland are being attacked, should he only fight if he has a high probability of survival?

    Marrying and raising children is a duty for all those who don’t have the gift of celibacy. Running away from that duty, no matter how understandable, is wrong.

    Vox understands as well as anyone the dangers and the reasoning. It’s understandable that a soldier would want to run from a battle — battles are dangerous. But a man must stand and fight, and he must brave the dangers of the current moronic and pernicious legal system of marriage, because to do so is right and because it’s necessary.

    In the past, when a man took a wife, he was committing himself to a lifetime of backbreaking labor to care for and support her. He took on a heavy burden — money was not so abundant as it is now, and there was no safety net. He was taking on a real risk of both of them dying, and any children they had too, if he couldn’t earn enough. And his earnings were to some degree in the hands of other men, who could fire him at any time, or refuse to hire him.

    Tell me the current system is worse for men than in the past, when a man took on the burden of very possible death to take a wife, and could only earn his living by means of torturous manual labor all day every day, with each day being a battle for survival, and no one but him there to fight it for his whole family.

    Vox’s point is that we are the sons of the men who took on those burdens. To run from our duty now simply because the odds of divorce are much higher, and the average quality of the women is lower, is unworthy of those who came before us. MGTOWs end the lines of those men because they aren’t willing to take far less grave risks than they did.

    All men have a duty to their ancestors to carry on their name and their line. Shirking that duty is wrong.

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  28. Cill says:

    Spawny my old mate I have no knowledge of Vox so can’t comment on the subject.

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  29. Cill says:

    I can comment on the subject of MGTOW though. Marriage creates the multi billion dollar divorce industry. Stripping me of my assets would be bad enough, but I could survive for another day. Stripping me of my children would be fatal. It should be as obvious as a dog’s balls. Marriage is a risk that men are justified in finding intolerable. They are being realistic, not timid.

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  30. Larry G says:

    “Marriage is a risk that men are justified in finding intolerable.”

    Females are designated as accessories for men, they are never mission required equipment.

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  31. earl says:

    Well helpmates…but the purpose of her is to help the man with his mission. Namely the marriage and family part.

    Once they bought the lie they were ‘single and independent’…you could start investing in cat food stock and wineries.

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  32. jg1 says:

    What we have forgotten in all the MGTOW discussion is the effect #Metoo is having on gender relations. The #Metoo is forcing segregation of the genders and women will have no choice to go WGTOW themselves for the lack of prospective mates. With men now having to protect themselves in and out of work,this is only resulting any male-female interaction coming to a halt. This is the last straw that broke the camels back in gender relations. I wonder if the damage is going to be permanent going into the future? If the damage cannot be undone, then all this only points to more MGTOW into the future…

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  33. Liz says:

    Well, I cannot speak knowledgably about the topic because I don’t read Vox.
    I only know what people say.
    There’s a corollary to a well known adage that applies to leadership positions.
    The original adage:
    “If you run into an asshole in the morning, you ran into an asshole. If you run into assholes all day, you’re the asshole.”
    The leadership adage:
    If a couple of people think you’re an asshole, you’re probably doing your job. If most people think you’re an asshole, you’re an asshole.

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  34. BuenaVista says:

    “Maybe with his rising wealth and 153 IQ which he uses as an impenetrable fortress to his mind …”

    Does that guy really quote his own IQ? That is some funny stuff. And he’s bragging on a 155?

    Pro Tip: when someone quotes his own IQ, multiply by .75. Just like when the doctor asks how much you drink: He’s going to take that number and double it. (I just say now, “Do you want the real number or the one you’re going to double?”)

    All of my children go to the Johns Hopkins Center for Talented Youth, to get tested, so we can/could protect them from the “professional educators.” (I wanted the children to go to public school, and the teachers are so handicapped I don’t know how they start their cars.) The dumbest child is 155. But even the dolts from Virginia Tech who can’t do long division deferred to CTY.

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  35. BuenaVista says:

    The Cill is right about that. Suddenly your entire life is as nothing. The workarounds, themselves, are demeaning.

    “Stripping me of my children would be fatal.”

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  36. jg1 says:

    @Liz:
    The commenter Didact who criticized you for talking about marriages in the military is one of Vox’s sychphants who follows his every word like god and defends him to the hilt. This is the type of sychophant that BV and I are talking about, thus reading Vox’s blog unpalatable.

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  37. BuenaVista says:

    I learned Liz’s adage in my mid-30’s. I am a competitive, analytical, relentless SOB, and the rest of the world is not. I needed to learn, “What am I missing here?” My Dad should have taught me that but … happy wife, happy life, in his dreams.

    My daughter is a competitive, analytical, relentless female who speaks four languages and does second-order calculations in her head — but she has her mother’s warm social skills. Which are the best I’ve ever seen, which daughter even deploys on me. (She doesn’t know I know what she’s doing.) I feel for her competition. But she’ll have two babies in the next five years, and the competition will have a chance to catch up.

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  38. […] You don’t win by not playing the game. You lose. It’s the cowards’ way out. And Vox generalizes against MGTOWs because it’s a colony of incels. I have scant respect for a man who gets knocked down and then cries about it, but I have total contempt for those who never get on the playing field in the first place whilst simultaneously crying about how hard done by they are because it’s all stacked against them. The fact that Vox has taken so much flak is because he is right over a very fertile target. Real men get on with it. Does one get over these events? No. So we collect scars that will hurt at the most unexpected moments. But we tell no one and carry on regardless. […]

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  39. Liz says:

    But she’ll have two babies in the next five years, and the competition will have a chance to catch up.

    I hope so, BV! From your keyboard to God’s ears. 🤗
    I cannot wait to be a grandma.
    But it will probably be a while.

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  40. Liz says:

    Mike quote on upgrading:
    “Best thing about upgrading to Captain is you always get to fly with your favorite Captain”

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  41. jg1 says:

    @BV, yes during the dust up with Jordan Peterson, he made it known that he has an IQ of 153 and was a member of Mensa at one time.

    @Eidolon. Until and unless there are changes made to the misandryist laws and no #metoo, some men will not be taking a risk on marriage and as you say will be biological dead ends. MGTOW will only grow as a result of this.
    At least in India, the financially hamstrung MRA’s are pushing back against misandryist laws and forming support groups to bring the male suicide rate down since these laws got passed. They have learned fast since then and are very proactive in their push back. I see no action in the west where MRA’s do push back. But, this is the world we live in where the main goal of the social engineers is to cull the herd worldwide to 500 million people.

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  42. Mega says:

    One thing that is missing from this discussion is Rollo’s attacks on MGTOW because he does similar things as Vox. Not sure what’s up with dudes in the Sphere … talking a good talk, getting a large audience and then turning against their own kind: fellow men.

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  43. gerbilkuo says:

    Vox is reminding me of Werner Erhard. Not a good thing! I’d heard all about him, and came to his site expecting to like him; but he seems to be going out of his way to condescend. Vox has no idea any longer what it is actually like, being stuck in this country.

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  44. Cheque d'Out says:

    I’ve just cleared a couple of comments from earlier. Only just got round to checking my email, sorry.

    So there are a couple of ‘new’ comments above

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  45. earl says:

    Vox and Rollo are basically pseudo cult leaders and grifters of this thing called the sphere. MGTOW actually works against them because some guys don’t go lockstep with their ethos.

    From here…(which I agree with this assessment of those high profile guys)

    https://v5k2c2.com/2019/06/21/the-price-of-liberation/

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  46. Cheque d'Out says:

    I haven’t been reading Rollo because I lack the time. Vox’s posts are nice and concise.

    I think I’m pretty much in agreement with Han’s description to red vs black pill. Black pill is too much of a potential life corroding counsel of hopelessness for some. Not all, but some.

    Red pill is a wake-up and understand your reality. Then you can decide your path. I much prefer pointing guys to this.

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  47. Ame says:

    Liz
    Mike quote on upgrading:
    “Best thing about upgrading to Captain is you always get to fly with your favorite Captain”

    a promotion for Mike?!!!

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  48. Cheque d'Out says:

    I generally like what Vox is doing, I certainly think that he’s a force for good. Sometimes, however, what’s good for society isn’t always good for the individual. And sometimes he loses me because, while I think my attitudes are Christian, I’m not a believer. In my culture (English), I think, this was very common when I grew up. It’s not a big deal as I understand it to be in the States. Chaqu’un a son gout as they say next door in France.

    And speaking of France, please spare a thought for the protesters tomorrow (Saturday). They’re looking to paralyse the entire country tomorrow. Macron just slapped a tax increase on everyone. You know, of course, this may mean war serious trouble. Over thirty consecutive weeks of mass demonstrations. People dead, people crippled already. But the MSM is believed to have been told not to talk about it. Vermin.

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  49. Liz says:

    a promotion for Mike?!!!

    Hey Ame…well, he’s thinking about it. 🙂
    He could upgrade if he wants to and the pay is better, but you start at the bottom again as far as picking trips. We’ll see. He has always had a problem with authority (strangely, considering his life choices) 😆

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  50. Ame says:

    Kentucky Headhunter
    “None that I know of.”

    That’s about the same order of flippant as your “And so what.” response to the dissolution of your own marriage.

    I guess it was meant to be humorous, but wonder how many fatherless bastards would be laughing along with you…

    on the flip side … this is kinda like which came first – the chicken or the egg. it takes women willing for men to sleep around a lot. i don’t understand that mindset, but i do know it exists.

    another pov – most all female fiction authors who write to female audiences include at least one book with a story line where the girl gets pregnant and does NOT tell the man he’s a father … kid grows up, and usually around school age or later man finds out he’s a dad … laments loosing all those years as a father because HE screwed up … forgives girl for never telling him … accepts the situation.

    never do they say the girl screwed up b/c she didn’t tell him. it’s always the man’s fault.

    these are infuriating to me.

    if this is reflective of how women think when they find themselves pregnant b/c they’ve been sleeping around … then men who also sleep around are more likely to never know they fathered a kid as they are to know they did father a kid.

    then there are the women who use abortion as birth control.

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  51. Ame says:

    Liz
    just now
    a promotion for Mike?!!!

    Hey Ame…well, he’s thinking about it. 🙂
    He could upgrade if he wants to and the pay is better, but you start at the bottom again as far as picking trips. We’ll see. He has always had a problem with authority (strangely, considering his life choices) 😆

    Congratulations to Mike!

    i’m guessing most men who are natural leaders have some kind of issue with authority – they know how to respect and honor it but would prefer to be the one in authority … or at least to have the freedom to choose to be the one in authority or not.

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  52. SFC Ton says:

    Don’t know much about vox’s 153 iq but I can tell you he’s is mostly wrong regarding any topic I could be considered and expert in. As in 10k plus hours doing it

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  53. BuenaVista says:

    Col. Mike will do as he pleases.

    But as a consumer I want to be on a transport run by an educated F-22 pilot, not some bus run by a guy who’s never been upside down.

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  54. BuenaVista says:

    I have no idea who “Daybook. — Dark Brightness” is (grammar, punctuation, diction much?) but he’s totally out-of-line suggesting cowardly men are not on his “playing field”. (Some Chinese guy using Google Translate?)

    For starters, life is not a “playing field.” As a follow-up, cliches are kitsch. But he probably doesn’t understand what kitsch means.

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  55. SFC Ton says:

    believe Vox’s point is, if something is necessary and right, we need to do it. In that case the statistics don’t matter.
    …….

    LOL that’s fucking stupid. Any commander worth a fuck doesn’t throw away his troopers lives on a 50/ 50 coin toss. Especially when the enemy had generations to prep the battlefield. They damn sure dont do it for limited gains. And soilders don’t take on those kind of odds for commanders who are so casual with their lives

    And yeah, many men have it worse now. They are still doing that kind of labor in a nation/ culutre/ society that despises them and has gone out of its way to motivated women to wreck his life

    Want me to save western civilization? Make the West worth it or pay me. And I don’t missing a day of fishing for anything less then $1400 a day. Let’s make it 3k. We’ll call it the asshole tax

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  56. BuenaVista says:

    People who talk about their IQs or Mensa membership in public: Remind me of that Rory guy in the UK who has thighs the size of my forearms. (And I’m no Popeye.)

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  57. SFC Ton says:

    But as a consumer I want to be on a transport run by an educated F-22 pilot, not some bus run by a guy who’s never been upside down.
    …………

    I would just as soon never fly again. Not like that. I enjoy the occasional day of head to earth free fall but I don’t care to go anywhere I can’t get to via Harley Davidson

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  58. SFC Ton says:

    He has always had a problem with authority
    ……..
    There are versions of that theme
    There is the dysfunctional version of that
    There is the version where the guy struggles with the bullshit and thinks he’s at the job but isn’t
    There is the version where the guy is good at the job and struggles with the bullshit

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  59. SFC Ton says:

    Military marriage? Shouldn’t be legal
    Half the wives will get caught sucking some other dudes cock while their husband is down range
    The other half is smart enough not to brag about it on facebook

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  60. Cill says:

    I’ve often wondered if men marry out of ignorance, or do they willingly sacrifice their lives to keep the multi-billion dollar divorce industry going? Are they submissive grist for the mill to make divorce lawyers rich? Having read the comment at at 7:16 pm, now I know.

    It’s an altruism I could do without. Nothing will change for the better as long as men keep turning the other cheek and taking it on the chin over and over again.

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  61. BuenaVista says:

    I haven’t been on a plane in five years. I used to fly like other people went to the 7-11. I have an airplane in storage I can’t fly legally. For many years I was at home in the air (a Bellanca tagline), much moreso than transiting the toll booth west of Dulles, midnight Friday night, having returned.

    When Son #1 was an infant I was working hard, and at Dulles, usually, Tuesday morning 5:30 a.m. or so. Dulles (a Saarinen design) is a wonderful terminal. But as a father of an infant, I would hear a baby crying 200 meters away and think only: I will not see my son again for several days. I hated it when the babies cried at the airport in the morning.

    He’s a grown man, now, a very tough guy with broader shoulders than mine but a 30″ waist, and I doubt he’s saying, “Dad was just doing that so Mom didn’t have to work.”

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  62. Cill says:

    And when they do this deliberately, like a willing lamb to the slaughter, then they and I must have completely different definitions of courage.

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  63. BuenaVista says:

    The 7:16 comment is moronic, because it is moronic to portray (as somehow noble) the discarding of one’s own life. When the government destroys your family, they destroy your lineage. So this guy says, Not all marriages are like that! Goody. He can’t think his way out of a paper bag.

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  64. SFC Ton says:

    For me it’s the Johnny Cash deal. I’ve been everywhere. I could lease a plane iff’ing I saw fit, but for what? To go where? To do what?

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  65. Larry G says:

    7:16
    “Marrying and raising children is a duty for all those who don’t have the gift of celibacy. Running away from that duty, no matter how understandable, is wrong.”

    Sorry, my Russian is a bit rusty…..Bullschitski

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  66. Larry G says:

    Marrying is a fucking duty??? By whose reckoning?

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  67. Larry G says:

    “comment is moronic, because it is moronic to portray (as somehow noble) the discarding of one’s own life. ”

    Hear, hear….

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  68. Mega says:

    Since I’ve read both of the retards extensively, I’ll summarize.

    Vox: Nothing means anything in life except reproduction. And hopefully, you raise your offspring correctly so they outlive you. AND THAT PRETTY MUCH MEANS MARRIAGE BECAUSE HE”S A CHRISTEN AND HE DEMANDS YOU BE ONE TOO. Yes, 99.9% of the time marriage is a hopeless waste of time, energy, and resources. Yes, it will end up with your destruction. It doesn’t matter. Did you spawn a kid ? If so, your genes live on. NOTHING ELSE MATTERS … ACCORDING TO VOX and his super natural IQ.

    Rollo: Nothing means anything in life except having sex. Women are the arbiters of sex and they prefer having sex with Alphas so be Alpha. LIE, CHEAT, STEAL, WHATEVER IT TAKES … just be what women want. If women want something (find it attractive) … then do that. They want tall, dark, handsome ? Then be that. Mostly that comes down to just just lie, lie, lie, and then lie some more, because most women are gullible; especially if you have done all the other things … perfect hair, teeth, skin, drive a nice car, have a nice place, throw money around that you don’t have, are over 6-2, and have movie stars as close friends, etc. Basically .. know how most modern women dedicate their lives to their LOOKS and being shallow and superficial ? Do that !!! Alternatively you could be a drug dealer, criminal, rapist, or murderer. Steal if you have too. Be the biggest lying asshole on the planet … if that means you get laid. Because to Rollo … that’s the only thing that matters and women love the bad boys don’t you know …

    (and if you think that was wordy, check out Rollo’s site. What a normal male can say in 12 words … takes Rollo 18 paragraphs … cause it makes him sound smarter than us)

    Did that help ?

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  69. Larry G says:

    “Did that help ?”…..um. no. I have a question……..

    “Marriage” is the state invented contract that has become nothing more than a loaded revolver handed to the sweet-young-thing when the “I do’s” are done. I prefer the more biblical tradition, if you fuck her then she’s your wife….pretty simple and straight forward really.

    my question…why the hell should any man “sign on the dotted line” since it is not anywhere mentioned in the Bible? If there is such a verse, I am open to enlightenment

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  70. SFC Ton says:

    Not anything we don’t already know but if 33% admit to it you can be sure the numbers are higher

    https://www.studyfinds.org/foodie-call-third-women-admit-dating-for-free-meal/

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  71. Cheque d'Out says:

    There’s another one.

    Apparently if you’re not willing to sacrifice everything for society you’re a coward, nothing in between.

    No mention of worthwhile hills to die on. Meaning, I suppose, that you’re supposed to be willing to sacrifice for nothing of any particular value or you’re a coward…

    Pretty sure that most men would self sacrifice for a worthwhile goal.

    This is just bollocks now.

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  72. Cheque d'Out says:

    Ahh. I remembered that Ton said it first

    LOL that’s fucking stupid. Any commander worth a fuck doesn’t throw away his troopers lives on a 50/ 50 coin toss. Especially when the enemy had generations to prep the battlefield. They damn sure dont do it for limited gains. And soilders don’t take on those kind of odds for commanders who are so casual with their lives

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  73. Cheque d'Out says:

    The two remaining leadership candidates

    (very charitable to Boris IMHO but we have no one else until after the next GE).

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  74. Cheque d'Out says:

    Speaking of doomed crusades

    Best of luck with that

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  75. Cheque d'Out says:

    Exactly the problem

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  76. Cheque d'Out says:

    Female leaders are superior to males as they are better at seeking consensus. Pity that the useless treacherous cow sought consensus with the enemy

    [Truly happen this did?]

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  77. Cheque d'Out says:

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  78. jg1 says:

    Is this a good prescription for any long term relationship?

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  79. Cheque d'Out says:

    I certainly hope that nobody thought ‘Hitler Youth’ when they saw this

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  80. Cheque d'Out says:

    Might be interesting for some. I’m going in

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  81. Cheque d'Out says:

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  82. Liz says:

    For me it’s the Johnny Cash deal. I’ve been everywhere. I could lease a plane iff’ing I saw fit, but for what? To go where? To do what?

    When Mike started in the airlines (when he switched from active duty to Reservist, about eight years ago), he started keeping the hotel key cards. Thought it would be interesting to keep them as momentos of all the places he’d stayed. Took him almost no time to fill two shoeboxes and then he stopped saving them and threw them away.

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  83. Cheque d'Out says:

    “[Truly happen this did?]”

    That’s the rumour. The MSM is clearly all over it…any time now. Any day. Probably.

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  84. Farm Boy says:

    Female leaders are superior to males as they are better at seeking consensus. Pity that the useless treacherous cow sought consensus with the enemy

    There was a time when a British PM stood up to a German Chancellor.

    But they both were men

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  85. Liz says:

    Vox’s JSF thread….someone thinks the JSF beat the F22 15 to one.
    Um, no. Interesting thread though. Three or four people seem to be semi-informed.
    Someone asked about making the F16 into a drone. They have those (Weapons Eval and Testing Grp).

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  86. “I’ve often wondered if men marry out of ignorance, ”

    https://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/the-joys-of-marriage/n11172

    Watch the whole thing; it’s less than 5 minutes.

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  87. Cheque d'Out says:

    [If give up tea one must,
    Might as well stop being British one should]

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  88. Liz says:

    Back at Nellis, when they were able to use more assets during the testing phases, the F22 had kill ratios north of 80:1.

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  89. “The plantation needs more slaves! Only cowards refuse to be shackled!”

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  90. Farm Boy says:

    “Woman = adult human female. Surgeries/hormones ≠ change sex or gender. No [man] can ever be a [woman],” Tanner tweeted in early June, using the sex symbols for “man” and “woman.”

    “UCSB STUDENTS, there is a feminist instructor on our campus named Laura Tanner who has repeatedly demonstrated hatred and transphobia both in her classes and aggressively on her social media,” a Twitter user named Casey, who appears to be a UCSB student, tweeted later that same day. “I am working with a professor from the feminist department to gather students about the disgusting lies she is spreading”

    https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=13364

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  91. Farm Boy says:

    Attendees will learn to understand “white United States-ian culture” and its beliefs and values, according to the university’s website. They will also be taught to recognize “characteristics of white United States-ian culture in organizations” and “learn antidotes to dismantling white organizational culture.”

    https://www.thecollegefix.com/rutgers-to-host-recognizing-and-dismantling-white-organizational-culture-event/

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  92. Liz says:

    Pro Tip: when someone quotes his own IQ, multiply by .75

    That might be a little generous even.
    The internet is strange. There’s a lot of “Secret Life of Walter Mitty” types online.
    I once read a (female) blogger profile page, describing herself as “smart”. Yes, I’m sure Stephen Hawking used this description of himself on his profile page.
    Similar for everything else though.
    I like the women in here, but don’t think I could spend much time in any self-described red pill women’s forum. Just too much bullshit…the two days I spent reading Heartiste years back was enough. The hens seemed to be trying to “out submissive” each other.
    It was such over the top bulls*t I wanted to ask them if they rolled on their backs and submissively peed themselves when their alpha husbands walked into the room.
    Kate Minter was the worst.
    That followed by “celibacy in marriage” (“I’m not worthy of sex! You’re too alpha! Show your alpha-ness by denying me!”..ah yes, the person you signed the papers with really fall for that? He was pretty stupid so…maybe…)

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  93. Farm Boy says:

    Big Government tries to replace the family’s authority, and Big Business tries to replace the family’s autonomy. There is a constant commercial and cultural pressure on father, mother, and child. They are minimized and marginalized and, yes, mocked. But as Chesterton says, “This triangle of truisms, of father, mother and child, cannot be destroyed; it can only destroy those civilizations which disregard it.”

    https://pushingrubberdownhill.com/2019/06/21/friday-hawt-chicks-links-the-get-on-with-it-edition/

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  94. jg1 says:

    Well, Mr. Didact has written a rejoinder to his first blogpost after being too critically harsh to MGTOW, its a long diatribe with not much solutions either. He calls the MGTOW a movement, but I cannot find any leadership and anywhere let alone any financing, if it is as such described. Once again, it is just words, words but no solutions on how to fight the big govt juggernaut to change the laws and defund the feminist monster.

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  95. Larry G says:

    Adam babbled:
    “You don’t win by not playing the game. You lose. It’s the cowards’ way out. And Vox generalizes against MGTOWs because it’s a colony of incels. I have scant respect for a man who gets knocked down and then cries about it, but I have total contempt for those who never get on the playing field in the first place whilst simultaneously crying about how hard done by they are because it’s all stacked against them.”

    well luckily enough for the vast majority of men, Adam, your opinion means jack shit. Your want to be a “hero’, chief? Knock yourself out.
    You call the men who have had enough of the western cunt’s bullshit cowards??? In my opinion, you are a fucking idiot.

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  96. Cheque d'Out says:

    “You call the men who have had enough of the western cunt’s bullshit cowards”

    At the very least they’re overwhelmingly not worth the drama and bullshit. And largely unworthy of trust too.

    I wanted someone to have my back, not an infantile liability lurking behind me. And that’s why I’m one ex-wife and done. And my divorce cost me something like £4k all in. Not saying that it was a happy time but I make no claim on the title of world’s worst divorce

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  97. Larry G says:

    CoD,
    “I wanted someone to have my back, not an infantile liability lurking behind me.”

    Indeed and well said. Jokers like Adam attempt to judge other men when he should get off his high fucking horse and acknowledge that MGTOW is just that, Men Going THEIR OWN Way. Not serving these cunts, sniveling white knights, some self righteous keyboard prick or a culture which is hostile towards the men who designed, built and maintained it.

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  98. Cill says:

    And this “incel” crap. If what I’m told privately is anything to go by, there are more incels in marriage than outside it.

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  99. Farm Boy says:

    Years after Gamergate raised questions about misogyny in gaming, a study of the effects of sexualized female characters has made an unexpected discovery: Female gamers are more sexist than their male counterparts.

    https://pluralist.com/gamergate-study-female-gamers-sexist/

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  100. Farm Boy says:

    Transgender Colorado STEM Shooter Motivated by Revenge Over Pronouns, Bullying

    https://pjmedia.com/trending/transgender-colorado-stem-shooter-motivated-by-revenge-over-pronouns/

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  101. Farm Boy says:

    As the extended legal battle dragged on, many asked why I didn’t just quit. Wouldn’t it be easier to close up shop and move on?

    What few understand is that this situation not only affected our business; it touched every aspect of our lives.

    In the end, the words of my father inspired me to continue the fight. He said, “In my life, I’ve done everything I could to treat all people with dignity and respect. And now, nearing the end of my life, I’m going to die being labeled as a racist.”

    There wasn’t enough time, he feared, to set the record straight. His legacy had been tarnished and he felt powerless to stop it. I had to see this case through.

    This experience has taught me that reputations are a fragile thing. They take a lifetime to build, but only moments to destroy

    https://legalinsurrection.com/2019/06/david-gibson-on-oberlin-college-verdict-kept-fighting-so-his-father-didnt-die-being-labeled-as-a-racist/

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  102. Farm Boy says:

    A massive verdict against a prestigious private college must have been national news, right? It wasn’t. The same networks that savored every morsel of the scandal of Hollywood actresses partaking in college admissions scams offered nothing on Oberlin’s defeat. Only Fox News found the facts of this disturbing court case worth discussing.

    This is why the other networks hate Fox News with a passion. They can’t bury these stories so a national audience never hears them. They prefer the narrative that political correctness never, ever goes wrong.

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/48739/bozell-graham-oberlin-punished-fact-free-food-l-brent-bozell-iii

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  103. Cheque d'Out says:

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  104. Liz says:

    Study Shows 92% Of Left-Wing Activists Live With Their Parents, One In Three Is Unemployed

    Bet most of them also have college degrees, and high levels of debt.

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  105. jg1 says:

    Almost all of them have useless degrees at best…STEM majors have no time to do activism and what not…

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  106. Farm Boy says:

    AUSTIN, Texas (KTRK) — A 9-year-old living near Austin is spreading a message of love and inclusiveness as he performs as a drag queen.

    Keegan performs in drag as Kween KeeKee.

    A third-grade teacher asked her class what they wanted to be when they grow up, and Keegan wrote in his memory book these words: “gender creative.”

    https://abc13.com/5356269/

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  107. Liz says:

    Well, KFC went to the Middle East and exported obesity (think Kuwait, Qatar and the UAE have surpassed us for average BMI now).
    But they weren’t having so much luck in Asia….
    Well lardy laddies and ladies! You’re sure to be less alone soon as KFC introduces a new product…
    Fried breaded chicken skins.
    Add your own mayo.
    http://koreajoongangdaily.joins.com/news/article/article.aspx?aid=3064591&cloc=joongangdaily|home|newslist1

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  108. jg1 says:

    But, you know, Mc Donalds failed in Vietman. The company was forced to pullout of the country. BK had no luck in the country either.

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  109. jg1 says:

    Correction: Mc Donalds and BK did not pullout completely but have a limited presence there. But, KFC is thriving…

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  110. Liz says:

    But, KFC is thriving…

    KFC really is a hit. A friend of mine told me an anecdote a while back about a TDY to Egypt. He was eating KFC with some of the Egyptian military folks, and one of them said, “That Colonel Sanders is a genius!” He turned to him and said, “You know he’d dead, right?”
    The guy slammed his fist down on the table and said, “Colonel Sanders is not dead!”
    He was really mad.

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  111. Larry G says:

    I hope you realize that we will need a LOT more popcorn to really enjoy this bar-b-que

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  112. jg1 says:

    I never really took to KFC especially after living many years in the south. The southerners know how to make excellent fried chicken accompanied with all the other trimmings that go with it. But, all those years added many inches to my waistline and it took a lot of effort to get those pounds off. I remember visiting Publix in Nashville and I asked the person in the bakery what Chess Pie was? The person told me, it is pecan pie without the pecans!!!

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  113. Larry G says:

    “Fried breaded chicken skins.
    Add your own mayo.”

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  114. jg1 says:

    Anything fried is good except that it does not do justice to the waistline…lol

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  115. BuenaVista says:

    I think Rollo has good ideas and they certainly had an impact on me. But I stopped reading because, as previously noted, he’s actually not very articulate, and his endless sentences tend to circle the subject rather than illuminate it. (Sometimes they just circle the drain.)

    Then there’s problem of the acolyte copy cats, and the comments go on for a day or two while too many guys adopt the “human behavior scientist for a day” prose style. Full disclosure: I was guilty of that.

    Noted artist Elmore Leonard famously published 10 Rules for Writers, and it is superb. One of the rules is, “If it sounds like writing, rewrite it.”

    Because I grew up with newspapers, one of the mainstream rules was always: “Assume your audience reads at an 8th grade level.”

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  116. BuenaVista says:

    I worry a lot less about pan fried food, provided it’s very low carb, since fat is now good again.

    But a spinoff line of thought is that seed oils are noxious (unless you want to be a soyboy). Well. Now, I have trouble enjoying a weekly tater tot or french fry indulgence, because I just taste the seed oil. It really tastes rancid to me. And a diner that uses corn oil or something on the grill, for the eggs, really ruins the flavor of the eggs. I think customers would go berserk if cooks prepared their customers’ eggs in butter.

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  117. Liz says:

    But a spinoff line of thought is that seed oils are noxious

    Oh no! I hadn’t heard this? What about grape seed oil? We use a lot of that.

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  118. Liz says:

    In the land of good fries, lard is king.

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  119. jg1 says:

    I had friends that cooked breakfast with bacon grease or lard. The food tasted really good. People say that for the best pie crust, lard produced the flakiest crust. But, hands down, the at least in imho, McDonalds makes the best fries…

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  120. Larry G says:

    Cat vs. Couch….couch wins round 1

    [A new breed of border collie this is?]

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  121. Farm Boy says:

    This week, as LifeNews reported, a heartbreaking video went viral on social media. It shows a man screaming in agony as he pleads for his child’s life outside of an abortion clinic. The man is seen standing by the doors of the facility weeping and begging the mother not to “kill our baby.”

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/48478/walsh-video-shows-father-begging-his-childs-life-matt-walsh

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  122. Farm Boy says:

    Beto: U.S. Must Help Minor Illegal Immigrants Get Abortions or It’s ‘The Handmaid’s Tale’

    https://pjmedia.com/trending/beto-u-s-must-help-minor-illegal-immigrants-get-abortions-or-its-the-handmaids-tale/

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  123. Farm Boy says:

    I received an even more defiant letter from Oberlin College President Carmen Twillie Ambar on June 14 vowing that “this is not the final outcome.” Ambar warns of a “lengthy and complex legal process.” Indeed, I’m now hearing from infuriated Oberlin insiders this week that the college persists in treating the Gibson family horribly and refuses to end the horror show, all while blithely assuring alumni that “we value our relationship with the town and region that are our home.”

    Bull.

    For decades, grievance-mongering Oberlin elites have bullied and defamed innocent white people without consequences in their multicultural Ohio enclave

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/48744/malkin-oberlins-racial-hucksterism-comes-home-michelle-malkin

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  124. BuenaVista says:

    > Liz:

    The keto mafia, including working physcians and scientists, are absolutely brutal on seed oils. Their POV is that it’s just another promoted lie, by the USDA and its food guidelines (and the Big Ag lobby). I’ve read a lot of professional papers that are compelling.

    So to their pov, avoid all seed oils and go with saturated fats (butter, lard, coconut oil, olive oil).

    This woman (Nina Teicholz) is quite professional, has written a good book and many articles, and is a good gateway to the new thinking on fat, cholesterol, insulin resistence, keto. Plus she’s hot.

    Website:

    https://ninateicholz.com/

    Some of her MSM articles, which remain controversial:

    https://ninateicholz.com/other-works/

    This crew is also brutal on vegetarian/vegan lifestyles. Did I mention she’s hot?

    ***

    This is an older guy who writes and consults on lifting and the keto diet: I bought his books and actually paid him for a couple of ‘consulting’ exercises (adapting his exercise regime to a couple of my disabilities).

    (He’s anti-seed oils.)

    ***

    This monster of a guy is carnivore, but an MD who can still dunk in his 50’s. Anti-seed oil, makes vegans cry.

    YMMV.

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  125. Ame says:

    Liz
    But a spinoff line of thought is that seed oils are noxious

    Oh no! I hadn’t heard this? What about grape seed oil? We use a lot of that.

    Liz – the *new* fad thing is Seed Oils vs Fruit Oils … and Fruit Oils winning. my Nutritionist has recommended flaxseed oil and sesame oil to us – the most natural and pure forms we can find.

    many oils have been infused with other products and approved by the fda, so we have to do our research on each oil on the market (frustrating). Coconut oil – if you buy a good one – is really healthy for you. same for olive oil – really gotta research olive oils. avocado oil, too … and, of course, buy a good one. the author of the link below is a GREAT scientific resource for info on all of these … with links.

    here’s a scientific article on grapeseed oil:
    https://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/grapeseed-oil/

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  126. Ame says:

    BV – And a diner that uses corn oil or something on the grill, for the eggs, really ruins the flavor of the eggs. I think customers would go berserk if cooks prepared their customers’ eggs in butter.

    corn products are SOOOOOOOOOO bad for you, esp corn oil products. avoid avoid avoid.

    the butter thing is an issue, too, as so few restaurants use REAL butter. they can find butter substitutes much cheaper – and those substitutes have so ingrained themselves into kitchens that it will be difficult to get them out.

    when my dad was here i recommended a local restaurant that brags about serving healthy ingredients. he loves to eat out – it’s always been his thing. so i chose this one b/c i assumed, correctly, they could meet my dietary needs … and my dad was willint to and could afford to pay for it. still … i had to have our server check on all the ingredients (so infuriating … but body things. ugh). anyway … the butter they used wasn’t real, whole butter, so i had to nix it. she didn’t tell me what they had, just that it wasn’t real, whole butter. (i hate having to do this, but if i eat one bit of the wrong foods i get really sick 😦 ).

    i cannot imagine how people would react if real, whole, healthy butter was reintroduced into their diets.

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  127. BuenaVista says:

    JG1,

    A farm thing is to always have a coffee can or some such next to the range, where you pour off your bacon grease for later use. I actually have a purpose-built canister with a perforated inset lid that catches the pieces that pour with the fat. Walmart sold it.

    As you note, you get a better crust with lard than butter. Crisco will make a good crust, but we’re back to fake food with Crisco.

    McDonalds jumped on the seed oil bandwagon, when they decided that the preferred beef tallow was too high in saturated fat. Julia Child lamented this, and Julia Child is always right.

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  128. Farm Boy says:

    Gratuitous images

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  129. Ame says:

    FB – that Walsh video is heartbreaking.

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  130. Ame says:

    i think i’ve already put this up here … but it’s still astounding to me.

    How Vegetable Oils Replaced Animal Fats in the American Diet

    https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2012/04/how-vegetable-oils-replaced-animal-fats-in-the-american-diet/256155/

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  131. Liz says:

    I remember when McDonalds changed the oil for their fries. They used to be so good, after that they were nothing special. When we went to Italy and I tasted the locally cooked fries it was nostalgic. Just like McDonalds in my youth.

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  132. SFC Ton says:

    Vox’s JSF thread….someone thinks the JSF beat the F22 15 to one.
    Um, no. Interesting thread though. Three or four people seem to be semi-informed.
    Someone asked about making the F16 into a drone. They have those (Weapons Eval and Testing Grp)
    ……
    LOL
    Give me the right 12 guys and those plans for one squadron will never leave the ground.

    Give me cruise missiles and the air crews will die in their sleep

    The whole air to air idea is fucking stupid.

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  133. SFC Ton says:

    And this “incel” crap. If what I’m told privately is anything to go by, there are more incels in marriage than outside it.
    ……..
    Certainly was my experience

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  134. jg1 says:

    @BV:
    That’s really interesting how drippings from bacon are collected and stored in a can. Is there a lifespan for bacon grease? I am aware that lard can be stored forever because of its tallowy consistency. I have no idea how pork fat is turned into tallow…
    When I lived in Phoenix, I was in my early 30’s and visited this burger place called the “Heart Attack Grill”. The waitresses were dressed in very risque’ nurses outfits with stethoscopes. They have burgers at different levels. They begin with single bypass upto octuple bypass burgers. Their burgers are the best because it is grilled on hob in lard and the fries are deep fried in lard as well. The latter was absolutely amazing.

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  135. SFC Ton says:

    “You don’t win by not playing the
    …………
    You damn sure don’t win playing by the enemy’s rules

    which probably cuts to the chase of why the man up and marry crowd is a bunch of idiots

    I also like it when they say I am coward. My DD214 would disagree with them

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  136. BuenaVista says:

    I don’t know how long bacon fat lasts at room temp; I’ve never kept it long enough to learn.

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  137. SFC Ton says:

    And now, nearing the end of my life, I’m going to die being labeled as a racist.”
    …….
    The magic of the r word has claimed another victim

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  138. Ame says:

    i’ve known people who keep a can by the side of the stove and pour grease into it and re-use it. that kinda freaks the germaphobe in me.

    a quick google search and found this (read another piece before this one and they had the same storage advice).

    i would add that you should purchase a good quality bacon. a cheap bacon full of chemicals will not produce healthy bacon grease.

    https://www.hillbillyhousewife.com/does-bacon-grease-need-to-be-refrigerated.htm

    Does Bacon Grease Need To Be Refrigerated
    Bacon used to be a cheap breakfast meat, but no more. Over the past few years, it has gone up quite a bit in price. Of course I’m still bacon, because …. well, it’s bacon and it tastes amazing. I don’t think it needs any more explaining than that.

    We’re still eating bacon regularly, but I’m now making sure to use every last bit to make it worth the extra money. One way of doing that is to save the bacon drippings and use the grease in my cooking. And I’m loving it. It adds a lot of extra flavor to my dishes.

    I use the bacon grease to cook eggs in the morning, when I’m sauteeing veggies and even some meats (pan fried pork chops anyone) and when I’m starting soups or stews. Of course it also makes awesome gravy to serve on biscuits or toast.

    How To Get The Bacon Grease
    The grease comes out as you cook the bacon. You can fry it up in a skillet on the stove, take out the cooked bacon and then pour the rendered fat into a jar.

    Or you can bake the bacon in the oven. This is my favorite way to cook it these days. Take the cookie sheet out, remove the bacon and then pour the grease that’s left over into a jar.

    I use a glass jelly jar to store my bacon grease in. Each time we cook bacon I add the drippings to it and use them in cooking. Every 6 months or so I clean the jar out and start fresh. I find glass works best to keep the grease in. The flavor stays the same and it’s easy to clean.

    Bacon Fat Storage Options:
    Now that you have your bacon drippings in the glas jar, let’s talk about storage options.

    On The Counter

    You can keep that jar on the counter, next to the stove. If that’s what you decide to do, strain any little bits and pieces of bacon from the grease before storing it. A strainer and some cheesecloth work well for that. On the counter, the fat will stay good for about a month. After that you will notice that it starts to go rancid.

    In The Fridge

    I prefer to keep my grease in the fridge. It’s out of the way, doesn’t clutter up my counters and lasts a very long time – 6 months in fact. That’s why I’m comfortable having a continuous jar of bacon drippings, adding to it each time we cook bacon. Every six months, I use up what we have and clean out the jar before starting over.

    In the Freezer

    If you don’t use your bacon grease much, or want a longer storage option, freeze it. In the freezer, your bacon grease will last for up to a year.

    I’ve never frozen bacon grease because we go through it so quickly. It’s a nice option to have and may come in handy if you’re leaving home for a few months and still have some bacon grease leftover.

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  139. Ame says:

    SFC Ton

    And now, nearing the end of my life

    *tears*

    i know . . .

    but, still 😦

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  140. SFC Ton says:

    A farm thing is to always have a coffee can or some such next to the range, where you pour off your bacon grease for later use
    ……….
    You should use a mason jar like all right thinking, God fearing people

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  141. Ame says:

    a little handy tip:

    when putting things in the fridge, it’s best to date them so you don’t forget how old they are.

    a great way to do that is with scotch tape – the one that’s not clear and shiny is the best to write on.

    the important part, though … fold down the edges on each side of the tape – just a little bit is needed, like 1/4″ or less. this allows you to remove it easily.

    we tape-label most everything that goes in the fridge opened.

    also, on jars of food i simply write the date on top of the lid – it’s the date opened. works for plastic containers, too … like mustard, mayo, katchup, olives, salad dressings, etc. unless you’re like my Beloved Husband and have a stomach that can handle anything and expiration dates are relative 😉

    – whatever you write on needs to be at room temp.
    – i usually use a black sharpie.
    – if there’s a chance the writing will get smudged, just put another piece of tape on top of the writing, and it’ll stay forever … or at least longer than you need it to 😉

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  142. Ame says:

    SFC Ton

    A farm thing is to always have a coffee can or some such next to the range, where you pour off your bacon grease for later use
    ……….
    You should use a mason jar like all right thinking, God fearing people

    lol!

    i agree, though … because … coffee cans are usually tin/aluminum and you don’t want the chemicals from the can to seep into your bacon grease that you will use to cook food that you will eat, and then ingest the chemicals from the can 😉

    YES! i drive my family NUTS!!! 🙂 🙂 🙂

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  143. jg1 says:

    @Ame
    Thanks for the very useful info on bacon grease. The mason jar seems to be a good idea to store it. Bacon is good in almost anything where it adds so much flavor to the dish. Fried bacon dipped in chocolate is good too…

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  144. Ame says:

    jg1 – you’re welcome.

    i love mason jars for storing things … EXCEPT when freezing and then needing to release the whole portion to continue to store in the freezer or to use immediately …

    because … since the shape of the mason jar curves in at the top, it will not release the whole portion frozen. it must thaw first.

    so, if you want to freeze in portions that you can release from the container while frozen, you’ll need to use something where the top is wider than the bottom or the same diameter.

    i’ve often used glass measuring cups to freeze portions in. they’re glass – so a good material w/out chemicals. they’re wider at the top. get ones that are microwave/oven safe – the glass is made for temp changes. i just turn them upside down over warm to hot faucet water until the food releases. then i’ll often put them in freezer zip bags for easy future use.

    you can also use ice cube trays to freeze foods – there’s a bit of controversy over which plastics are safe for foods – i personally avoid them.

    i’ve also used stainless steel cups – they’re wider at the top, so they work. and whatever’s frozen inside releases very quickly when put under warm to hot water.

    i’ve also used mini-stainless steel condiment cups – actually recently used these. perfect portion for some items. we use these condiment cups for tons of things, and they happened to be the perfect portion size. once frozen, i held them under warm to hot water to release, then put them in a freezer zip bag for future use (of course, ALWAYS label … even if you think you’ll remember. can’t tell you how many times i learned that the hard way! lol!)

    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00H9XBFN2/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o08_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

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  145. Ame says:

    Mason Jars –

    they do make several sizes, so that’s really great.

    also … they make various lids you can buy for mason jars, including reusable plastic lids! we have two different sizes of these and use them all the time.

    they also make lids with pour tops.

    here’s an amazon link that has lots of options – you might not use them, but it’s nice to know they exist.

    https://www.amazon.com/s?k=lids+for+mason+jars&ref=nb_sb_noss_1

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  146. Ame says:

    a group of pugs is called a Grumble … click on the link for adorable cuteness overload pic!

    https://nationalpurebreddogday.com/group-pugs-called/

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  147. Stephanie says:

    “I like the women in here, but don’t think I could spend much time in any self-described red pill women’s forum. Just too much bullshit…the two days I spent reading Heartiste years back was enough. The hens seemed to be trying to “out submissive” each other.
    It was such over the top bulls*t I wanted to ask them if they rolled on their backs and submissively peed themselves when their alpha husbands walked into the room.
    Kate Minter was the worst.”

    ^Stingray was wonderful, and she was one of the red pill women forum moderators awhile back, but I think she was different than a lot women. She asked me to be one of their moderators with her, but I thought it’d take too much time. But when I *did* read there once, I saw a woman make a post asking for advice about her husband wanting another child, and the attacks they all made on her were nuts! It was all basically, “What?! You’re not being submissive enough!” when that response wasn’t appropriate for the info she was providing (can’t remember now, but I think it was something like they had already agreed they were done having babies 15 years ago, and she thought he was just teasing her because he likes to tease her like that, etc.). It was weird to see a lot of the women over-react and jump all over her.

    I can’t imagine how Ton handles more than one women… and I *am* one!!! LOL

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  148. b g says:

    Liz

    When you went to McDonalds as a kid they would have cooked the fries in beef tallow, then changed to lard, then switched to vegetable oil…the fries deteriorated at each change. Now they have added chemicals that resemble the taste of beef tallow.

    Peter’s Burger did the same in Calgary, my wife was broken hearted. We ate a lot of game and wild fish but when she felt the need for a “greaseburger” and fries, Peter’s was the best, the patties were six ounces cooked in coney sauce, we had to share one order of large fries.

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  149. SFC Ton says:

    coffee cans are usually tin/aluminum and you don’t want the chemicals from the can to seep into your grease
    …….
    That ain’t it at all woman

    Coffee cans are for storing random bits of hardware and such

    Don’t y’all know a damn thing?

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  150. SFC Ton says:

    I can’t imagine how Ton handles more than one women… and I *am* one!!! LOL
    ………

    Pimp hand and some basic training but mostly I just bang them into exhaustion and compliance

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  151. Liz says:

    Does anyone here seriously believe that Donald Trump in the prime of his life would have gone around raping 50 year old women in department stores?? 50 years old??? Ladies, please – the only way that you’re gonna get raped at that age is if you put yourself firmly in front of an invading Russian army, and even then the boys would probably need a whole lot of vodka and the NKVD ordering them into the breach, if you know what I mean and I think you do.

    Space Bunny is pushing 50, isn’t she?

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  152. Liz says:

    We heard a can opener

    😆 Our dogs do that. They cry and whine whenever I open a can of anything.
    But only for me…the boys can open a can and they don’t even get up.
    Probably a lesson in there somewhere.
    Yeah, I’m a pushover.

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  153. Farm Boy says:

    Puppy dog eyes

    Then you are a pushover for this for sure

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  154. Larry G says:

    “Puppy dog eyes”

    Ukrainian mutant border collie

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  155. Farm Boy says:

    [Love the picture on the wall I do]

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  156. Liz says:

    Ukrainian mutant border collie

    Heh, border collies are super smart.
    Our dogs are something beyond stupid (though I suppose I must be dumber since they’ve figured me out pretty well)

    When people ask, we say they’re “Rhodesian hunting hounds” because we like
    to call them roadies. 😆

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  157. Liz says:

    At any rate, per the topic, I think there’s a way to communicate that is persuasive and doesn’t make one sound like a de facto asshole. Being an asshole, just for the sake of being an asshole, isn’t persuasive…even for people who might agree, the asshole on their side can be like running with a nail in one’s shoe.
    Telling everyone who disagrees they are cowards is a sure fire way to alienate them.
    I know a guy who has been married 5 times (and divorced at least 4, maybe 5 now).
    Wow, he sure is brave.

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  158. Farm Boy says:

    The U.S. Women’s soccer team has tentatively agreed to enter mediation with the U.S. Soccer Federation to resolve a lawsuit filed by the team alleging pay discrimination.

    The federation maintains that pay discrepancies are the result of different collective-bargaining agreements between the men and women’s teams and are “based on differences in the aggregate revenue generated by the different teams and/or any other factor other than sex.”

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/48754/us-womens-soccer-team-tentatively-agrees-mediation-ashe-schow

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  159. Farm Boy says:

    E. Jean Carroll says she wishes she would have asked @realDonaldTrump for his TAX RETURNS when she allegedly met him at the Bergdorf Goodman department store in the mid 90’s .

    HUH?!? pic.twitter.com/Dt4DrduT6y

    — Stephanie Hamill (@STEPHMHAMILL) June 22, 2019

    I suppose that I learn something new every day. A woman being raped is concerned with the tax returns of her attacker

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  160. Larry G says:

    “Telling everyone who disagrees they are cowards is a sure fire way to alienate them.”

    you got that….calling someone a fucking idiot does the same alienation hopefully, but that is exactly what I meant to do…

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  161. Farm Boy says:

    Some advice from the supposed rapee

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  162. Farm Boy says:

    White people can be exhausting. Just an observation.

    — Esther Choo MD MPH (@choo_ek) June 21, 2019

    Observation #2: white people are going to prove my point on this very thread. pic.twitter.com/m53vYkMfAj

    — Esther Choo MD MPH (@choo_ek) June 21, 2019

    Observation #3: when people try to convince Twitter that white people are experiencing reverse racism, Twitter understands that is not a thing. pic.twitter.com/kFeEBnTBic

    — Esther Choo MD MPH (@choo_ek) June 21, 2019

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  163. Farm Boy says:

    Hey @CDPROJEKTRED, I’m always available for consulting cause it sure sounds like you might need it before the whole of the internet drags you for what sounds like some potentially sexist representations… which we all know you’ve struggled with in the past 😬 https://t.co/MZmcUDhLR0

    — Anita Sarkeesian (@anitasarkeesian) June 16, 2019

    [Sounds like extortion this does]

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  164. Farm Boy says:

    Earlier this year, Sarkeesian decided that Feminist Frequency needed to change. She ceased taking a salary and laid off her co-creators and close friends Ebony Adams and Petit. She closed her offices and stopped making videos.

    Feminist Frequency is still going, but it’s now mainly focused on a regular podcast hosted by Adams, Petit, and Sarkeesian. It’s a purely voluntary organization.

    Sarkeesian has no pat answer to the question of why she’s decided to move on; no “it was just time.” The answers are more complicated.

    Partly it’s about money. “Fundraising is always a struggle,” she says. “Paying my staff is always a struggle. I’m capable of fundraising. I learned how to do it through the process of running a nonprofit. But I didn’t get into this work to be a fundraiser.”

    Feminist Frequency relied heavily on corporations willing to fund the sort of work that looks into intersectional feminist critiques of commercial art. When corporations make financial commitments to non-profits, they like to make song-and-dance about their noblesse-oblige, most especially when it portrays them in a positive light.

    But they’re also prone to nickel-and-diming once favorable media coverage fades. Sarkeesian won’t talk specifics, but it’s clear that corporate generosity crept away once she outlived her usefulness.

    https://hotair.com/archives/2019/06/22/anita-sarkeesians-feminist-frequency-nonprofit-broke/

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  165. Cheque d'Out says:

    Unmarried woman give advice on husband selection.
    Say women want deep conversations…didn’t (couldn’t?) provide a single example.
    Doesn’t want it always to be about sex…I can’t think of a single other really desirable use for her. She’s already had to take action of fertility issues.

    I don’t want the job. Thanks, but no thanks

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  166. Ame says:

    one more little tip when using Mason Jars …

    if you put a rubber band around them it helps to grip them better (especially if you have an accident prone person in your home – cleaning up broken glass is no fun).

    this is also helpful when the contents are greasy/slippery.

    the wide rubber bands that come on produce work really well here.

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  167. Ame says:

    that 10 things video … oh.my.word. she was irritating to watch.

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  168. Ame says:

    SFC Ton
    coffee cans are usually tin/aluminum and you don’t want the chemicals from the can to seep into your grease
    …….
    That ain’t it at all woman

    Coffee cans are for storing random bits of hardware and such

    Don’t y’all know a damn thing?

    bwahahahahaha!!!!!!!

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  169. Larry G says:

    “that 10 things video … oh.my.word. she was irritating to watch.”

    I got through the first 30 seconds without upchucking. Didn’t want to push my luck any further

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  170. Farm Boy says:

    Millions of American kids are reading Teen Vogue and those parents who know the content may feel it is putting their daughters at risk.

    For example, an alarming article from the aforementioned Teen Vogue was published back in April of this year. The article is titled “Why Sex Work Is Real Work”

    https://lidblog.com/daughters-teen-vogue/

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  171. Farm Boy says:

    On Thursday, presidential hopeful Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-MA) came out in favor of legislation that has been equated to “gay reparations.” Under the Refund Equality Act, same-sex couples would be able to amend their past taxes, readjusting with jointly-filed tax returns and accepting refunds from the IRS.

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/48766/warren-comes-out-gay-reparations-amanda-prestigiacomo

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  172. Comment at Zmans:

    Tykebomb –

    “I keep burning tires, eating meat and jacking my AC up, but New York isnt under water yet. Al Gore lied to me!”

    #MeToo!

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  173. Sometimes I feel bad for the lesbians…

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  174. Farm Boy says:

    So under Warren’s plan, if I married a woman, identified myself a woman (a female tractor actually), then filed my taxes; could I receive some of those sweet reparations?

    If not, why not?

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  175. SFC Ton says:

    Vox etc all it extra pisses me off when fuckers with no trigger time at the two way rifle range want to couch things in military type terms as a way to justify their carelessness with the lives and well being of others

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  176. Larry G says:

    “So under Warren’s plan, if I married a woman, identified myself a woman (a female tractor actually), then filed my taxes; could I receive some of those sweet reparations?”

    Well of course you could. just file IRS Form 189F “Mutual Clit Lickers Declaration” (in triplicate naturally) with your income tax. On the other side of the canal is the male version, IRS Form 189M “Mutual Butt Fuck Buddies”. Again, in triplicate please; one for the state you reside in in case they have additional refunds or benefits.

    Please allow 6 to 10 weeks for your reparations. Now if you are black, you have hit the jackpot! DOUBLE reparations.

    Was this advice helpful?

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  177. SFC Ton says:

    Don’t want to see her neikkid
    Didn’t want to watch the video

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  178. Larry G says:

    “Don’t want to see her neikkid
    Didn’t want to watch the video”

    New interrogation method, Ton. Beats the fuck out of waterboarding

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  179. Farm Boy says:

    Music icon Elton John ascribes to the Pete Buttigieg school of theological thought – the kind that suggests Christians who believe homosexual acts to be sinful are the furthest away from God.

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/48759/elton-john-politicians-opposing-lgbtq-away-god-paul-bois

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  180. jg1 says:

    Vox, has had another outburst and written another blogpost because an MGTOW tried to defend himself against the vitriol of the chief cultist. It seems in either in the Youtube video or his first blogpost attaking MGTOW, Vox had called them satanic people.

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  181. SFC Ton says:

    I’ve been called worse by better men. This week

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  182. jg1 says:

    My question is, why doesn’t Vox, leave MGTOW alone?

    Liked by 1 person

  183. Farm Boy says:

    I am thinking that it is an ego thing

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  184. I don’t actually have to do the dead squirrel thing as long as I identify as doing it, right? Isn’t that how it works?

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  185. Mega says:

    I mentioned this earlier but Vox has gone on other Rant campaigns recently. Went off on Boomers … who he hates with the passion of a dying sun and Jordan Peterson … literally talked non-stop about Peterson for weeks. And not a good thing to say either. Did nothing but spew hater and vitriol on and on and on and on. He even wrote a book about Peterson … not kidding … so he could put him down, put him in his place, and attempt to turn other people against him.

    Dude goes on these tirades and just won’t stop.

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  186. Ame says:

    jg1
    My question is, why doesn’t Vox, leave MGTOW alone?

    i do not know Vox and have never followed him … however, i’ll take a guess at that.

    according to what y’all have written and what i’ve heard, Vox considers himself a Christian. also, he’s had a profound platform for a long time.

    often Christians who have a strong platform for a long time forget their place. in Christianity, we each are given different roles. the Bible describes this as we each are different parts of a body. the role of a preacher or teacher is to preach or teach. of course, one measure of the effectiveness of their role is that people respond positively and/or comprehend what they’re saying. however, in Christianity there is another factor that is the primary factor, and that is the role of the Holy Spirit. it is the Holy Spirit’s role to convict people.

    and that is where preachers and teachers often cross the line … they begin to think it’s their role to convict people when their ONLY role is preaching, teaching, ministering, etc.

    so … my guess … and it’s just a guess … is that Vox somehow believes it’s his role to convict people to believe what he wants them to believe.

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  187. Mega says:

    Ame, I’m assuming your last sentence meant “convince” rather than “convict”, lol … damn auto correct !

    Anyway, you’d be wrong. Vox is out to destroy anyone who doesn’t agree with him. And he takes on pretty much all comers. As I said in my last post … he recently took on Jordan Peterson and literally spent his own time and money to try and destroy Jordan Peterson’s reputation by attacking him non-stop for weeks and even wrote a book to take him down. I am not kidding !

    You can take this link to Amazon where the book was published and a synopsis was written by Vox himself. here is the link: https://www.amazon.com/Jordanetics-Journey-Humanitys-Greatest-Thinker-ebook/dp/B07JY9XV38

    But if you don’t care to go read the overview, here is a quote from it:

    “Of course, Jordan Peterson also happens to be a narcissist, a charlatan, and an intellectual con man who doesn’t even bother to learn the subjects upon which he lectures. He is a defender of free speech who silences other speakers, a fearless free-thinker who never hesitates to run away from debates, difficult questions, and controversial issues, a philosopher who rejects the conventional definition of truth, and a learned professor who has failed to read most of the great classics of the Western canon. He is, in short, a shameless and unrepentant fraud who lacks even a modicum of intellectual integrity.”

    Yeah. Not much … convincing there.

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  188. Larry G says:

    Just a thought, Ame,
    “according to what y’all have written and what i’ve heard, Vox considers himself a Christian…..in Christianity, we each are given different roles. the Bible describes this as we each are different parts of a body.”

    Maybe he’s trying out for the body part of asshole?

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  189. jg1 says:

    Vox should preach his anti MGTOW screed to the men in the African American community. Most of their women disowned and disenfranchised their men long ago. The men saw the writing on the wall and went MGTOW. In fact, they were the very first MGTOW’s ever before the idea caught on and started to grow. I appreciate very much what Pastor Jesse Lee Peterson is doing to help these men. Jesse Lee Peterson is doing much more for these young men than Vox will ever do. All he does is criticize and talk down to men without offering any solutions to the problem.

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  190. Ame says:

    Larry – lol!

    i’ve always thought i was the part that told everyone it was time to take a nap! lol! 🙂 🙂 🙂

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  191. Liz says:

    Sometimes I feel bad for the lesbians…

    Well, this was a sex tip from her dog.
    So we’re probably talking about something even less natural.

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  192. BuenaVista says:

    My 23 June 12:56 comment is in your spam bin. I have multiple links and suggestions for Liz, on our food topic, in that post. I guess the links are the problem?

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  193. BuenaVista says:

    I assume it’s the links, anyway. I haven’t been an asshole for at least a week.

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  194. Farm Boy says:

    Multiple links get flagged by the spam filter

    Freed

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  195. Larry G says:

    “I assume it’s the links, anyway. I haven’t been an asshole for at least a week.”

    Bv, unacceptable. You need to pay more attention to your God given responsibility..including being an asshole on schedule.

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  196. Cheque d'Out says:

    I’ve just upped the limit on links, 6 will get a comment caught up from now on

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  197. Cheque d'Out says:

    Well…this is awkward…I agree with Vox about JBP. I read the Jordanetics book and found it really well written.

    When JBP first blew up, when he confronted the nutters over personal pronouns, I took an interest and downloaded a bunch of his Maps of Meaning lectures. I ripped out the audio so that I could listen to them in the car. After 3 or 4 hours of listening I gave up. Either he wasn’t saying anything, or I wasn’t capable of hearing what he was saying. And either, or both, are plausible explanations. I was happy with his battling the left’s lunacy though. The Cathy Newman was glorious in particular.

    Months later, when Vox took an interest, I listened to Vox’s criticisms and agreed with them.

    Anyone that can turn this question into a quagmire of evasion isn’t someone that I trust. I understand that philosophy can be very picky about the meaning of words but this just looks like an attempt to not answer the question by jetting squid ink with wild and malicious abandon.

    Or create a two hour shitfest over the meaning of ‘truth’. I hope that this is the right link. When you’re honestly pissing off another philosopher with your jibber-jabber you’re doing something wrong.

    Now I’m probably too literal minded as a person to enjoy the esoterics of philosophy and religion but I did try and listen at the time. I can see that some good people get good things from religion, things useful when building a civilised society…you can see the reason for my interest, I expect.

    If you’re trying to communicate with people, it’s helpful IMHO if you don’t undefine nearly every word that you speak or write. It’s undefine, not redefine, as he abandons the generally accepted meaning of very basic words but doesn’t supply a new meaning, just a word salad of evasion and contradiction (YMMV).

    Now the later Vox attacks where he tries to set the limit for Jordan’s actual IQ, those I find a bit more hit and miss. But whether Jordan’s IQ is 150+ as he says, or 120 (ish) at most, as Vox says? I don’t really care, as whatever the true number is, he produces word-salad mush seemingly in a determined attempt to avoid conveying the concrete statements required to convey a clear message. And I have no time for that, it’s of no use to me. In fact it’s anti-useful.

    YMMV and that’s fine

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  198. Cheque d'Out says:

    This was glorious though

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  201. Cheque d'Out says:

    Politicians please note; Privatising the ABBC looks to be a vote winner.

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  203. Liz says:

    Thanks for the down-low on seed oils, BV. I’ll read up on it some more. 🙂

    Per Jordan Peterson, I like him alright but have to agree on the word salad. I think of him as an agnostic, not a Christian. Some folks have likened him to CS Lewis, and I can understand why that would bother some people. Slate Star Codex (trigger warning, this blogger is an atheist and liberal, but he is also very well read) read his book, and this was a portion of his analysis:

    Lewis has his demon character Screwtape tell a fellow demon:

    Once you have made the World an end, and faith a means, you have almost won your man [for Hell], and it makes very little difference what kind of worldly end he is pursuing. Provided that meetings, pamphlets, policies, movements, causes, and crusades, matter more to him than prayers and sacraments and charity, he is ours — and the more “religious” (on those terms) the more securely ours.

    I’m not confident in my interpretation of either Lewis or Peterson, but I think Lewis would think Peterson does this. He makes the world an end and faith a means. His Heaven is a metaphorical Heaven. If you sort yourself out and trust in metaphorical God, you can live a wholesome self-respecting life, make your parents proud, and make the world a better place. Even though Peterson claims “nobody is really an atheist” and mentions Jesus about three times per page, I think C.S. Lewis would consider him every bit as atheist as Richard Dawkins, and the worst sort of false prophet.

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  204. Cheque d'Out says:

    Schrodinger’s Cat’s isn’t in a quantum state if you leave it in the box til it must have suffocated or died of thirst?

    WTAF? *

    This kind of thing really undermines his credibility on other subjects.

    Obviously science is vulnerable to dishonest scientists and politicians, that’s not a debate is it? Just look at global warming FFS. But he’s pronouncing over the credibility of of things that he evidently doesn’t understand or he’s not representing fairly.

    (* You could use Vox’s described scenario to describe a collapsing quantum state, I suppose. It would be a viable example of that. But that’s not what he was doing)

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  205. Cheque d'Out says:

    Even though Peterson claims “nobody is really an atheist”

    Yes, iirc; by redefining ‘god’ to mean ‘truth’ (where truth is, in this instance, used in it’s usual connotation). So if you believe something to be true, that’s your ‘god’.

    His ‘god’ is not remotely what Christians believe is their God.

    His ‘atheism’ is not what anyone reasonably calls atheism.

    Vox’s Jordanetics book is very readable. He also has a few videos on the subject that I’ve listened to. Here’s one

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  206. Liz says:

    Heh, thanks for the link Spawny since we have limited streaming capability I could only watch a small bit of it, but I will try to watch the rest later.
    I like a lot of what JP says, but on the religious side he seems to appeal mostly to those with flighty, inconsistent belief systems (those more likely to say “I’m spiritual but not religious”).

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  207. Cheque d'Out says:

    The truth = god thing might be explained by the woman speaking at 1:30:00

    Just rewind to the start of her speech

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  208. Cheque d'Out says:

    those more likely to say “I’m spiritual but not religious”

    Not that I’ve put a lot of thought into it but I’d agree with that. And I’d have more time for Jordan if he just said that.

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  209. RichardP says:

    There is personal truth – I know it applies to me, but not necessarily to others – although it may (I don’t like beets; I see dead people);

    There is regional truth (it is raining here, but not there);

    There is global truth (the earth’s gravity acts on everyone on earth)

    There is universal truth – that which is true throughout the entire universe (matter is neither created nor destroyed; it just changes forms). This last category of truth requires faith and conjecture. How do we actually prove that matter is neither created nor destroyed on the far side of the universe).

    In my youth I ran into my fair share of naval gazers. How do you know that you really exist? Maybe you are just part of someone else’s dream. And that sort of thing. Those questions always annoyed me because I thought they were stupid (my personal truth). Perhaps it was being raised in farm country. You don’t succeed at farming without discovering what works. You don’t last long by doing something that fails, and then continuing to do that same thing, with the same result every time (the standard definition of insanity; maybe only personal, but probably global. Certainly regional.)

    Very early on in my introduction to this kind of naval gazing, it ocurred to me that whether it is true or not is irrelevant. Whether it is real or not is irrelevant. Philosophical discussions over hundreds, if not thousands, of years are irrelevant. There is only one thing that is relevant: can you rely on it?

    Those things we have determined that we can rely on, we put into our bag of tools – and pull them out whenever we need to grow a crop, or birth a baby, or transplant a heart, or put a man on the moon. Doesn’t matter whether you call something truth or real. In order to get through life, it only matters whether you can depend on it to stay the same from one situation to the next, so that you can reliably do something with it and get the expected results.

    For those who haven’t done so, it is informative to search “Truth” on Wikipedia. That shows there has been a search for an adequate definition of truth ever since the serpent asked Eve “did God really say … ?” In the meantime, folks have managed – without a globally-agreed-on definition of “Truth” – to grow crops and birth babies and transplant hearts and place men on the moon. Which proves my point. Struggling with the definition of what is truth and what is real is irrelevant to getting on with life. Learning what is reliable and what is not is a more useful activity. In this context, process knowledge (learning by doing) is probably more useful thant content knowledge (learning from books) – although a productive life needs the information gleaned from both the doing and from reading.

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  213. SFC Ton says:

    Know how I knew Peterson was full of shit?

    He went to college.

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