Up Shift

As we saw in the recent post In Sync / Out Of Sync, many men spend their twenties in a muddled place, being not married, not really working hard to show provider status, not really anything.  Suddenly as he is in his 30s, women are interested.  What are they interested in?  Marriage, locking down a provider.  We all know this scenario.

The question is: can a fella who has been muddling through adulthood, switch gears to be the provider (and everything else) that she expects?  Probably he has gotten used to his own time, often with his buddies.  Very possibly, he has not developed the responsibility and leadership skills that could make a marriage work.  In fact, he likely has not really developed much of anything that is marriage oriented.  Furthermore, he is used to not doing so.

Can a fella switch gears?  What does he need to do to switch gears?  Or are all marriages under such circumstances doomed anyway?

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186 comments on “Up Shift
  1. Jack says:

    No, they are Up Shift creek without a Saddle. 🙂

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  2. thedeti says:


    Read these posts. Dalrock has described this problem at length.

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  3. thedeti says:

    Where has Master Yoda been? On Dagobah he is now? Or where?

    [Always watching I am]

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  4. Farm Boy says:

    I wonder how many fellas are “lost” to women, ones that might have been “saved” if women had just engaged them young…

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  5. Farm Boy says:

    Lots of good guys with potential are available when they are young. By bidding on one, they can be obtained.

    Perhaps this is too much to ask

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  6. thedeti says:

    A guy could switch gears. Remember that men are generally more adaptable than women are. Women’s adaptation is in discarding one man for another, especially when the prior man is weakened, enfeebled, disabled, sick, declining in value, or dead.

    Men are adapting to Western society’s new normal of marriage at 38, divorce at 49 after the last kid is in kindergarten. Or, no marriage at all, eking out a subsistence life with little to no ambition, and the occasional f*ckbuddy or girlfriend. Men are getting used to this. There is a loud contingent of MGTOWcels who are a blow job away from marriage, but mostly, it looks to me like men are settling in to this new normal.

    I mean, men are the ones who have been doing all the bending, changing, compromising, and giving in this current SMP/MMP. Men have sat by and watched while all of society has been reengineered and changed to accommodate what women want.

    Men are the ones who have compromised and conceded and given ground on sex, dating, marriage, and all the rest of it. And they’ve adapted to it. We’ve gone from no means no to yes means yes to affirmative consent to enthusiastic consent. We’ve gone from

    meet-date-engage-marriage, to

    meet-sex-date or fuckbuddy-engage-breakup-meet-sex-date-breakup-meet-date-a little bit of sex-engaged-married-divorced-alimony-give up your 401(k)-never see your kids again.

    We’ve gone from male breadwinner/female housewife/kids/marriage for life;


    whoever is best at making money is breadwinner, other spouse supplements income, maybe one designer kid, then divorce when you feel like it or it’s just not working for ya.

    So, yeah. Men are the ones doing all the giving and conceding here. They’re the ones adapting.

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  7. Farm Boy says:

    A guy could switch gears. Remember that men are generally more adaptable than women are.

    Yes they can. However, do these newly married upper 30s men realize that women want him to “be the man”, even if they say otherwise (e.g. egalitarian)?

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  8. earl says:

    ‘However, do these newly married upper 30s men realize that women want him to “be the man”, even if they say otherwise (e.g. egalitarian)?’

    Not unless we physically tell him because the woman most likely won’t.

    I think the only men who would have a hard time switching gears are the simps and the cads.


  9. Farm Boy says:

    They need to know that they need to shift gears. Many really dont. At least not fully


  10. earl says:

    Well what marital roles are have been ruined by both state and most churches. It’s no wonder most guys don’t get they need to shift gears.

    When are women going to shift into submitting to their husband? They gotsa shift too.

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  11. Jack says:

    Here is a good example of the feminine imperative on feminist steroids.

    “To me love is a blissful feeling, an open heart chakra, vulnerability, fearlessness, complete willingness to be destroyed and knowingness that I will rebuild myself stronger and even more fearless. To most humans love is a measured dose of trading emotions for evidence of a firm commitment. If you asked my last ex, love is complete control of the other so they cannot leave you. If you asked the previous ex, love is how he would feel only if he could parade me as a trophy, but since I refused, it was not true love. To me, my refusal was proof of the purity of my love.”

    Take note of the extremely solipsistic concept of love.
    Too many young women think like this, and this is why young men have given up on preparing themselves for marriage. Later in the article, she says the increased divorce rate is a good thing. Incredible!

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  12. earl says:

    ‘To me love is a blissful feeling, an open heart chakra, vulnerability, fearlessness, complete willingness to be destroyed and knowingness that I will rebuild myself stronger and even more fearless.’

    This is stuff mental patients say. For example…women who think they are ‘goddesses’.

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  13. earl says:

    ‘Too many young women think like this, and this is why young men have given up on preparing themselves for marriage.’

    Yeah because in general most men see marriage as a commitment with vows and not a passing feeling. If women see it as mainly a passing feeling they can get out of when their whim dictates it…why would a man prepare for marriage?

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  14. SFC Ton says:

    Can a fella switch gears?
    Sure guys do some version of that all the time

    What does he need to do to switch gears?
    Proper motivation. Which in the here and now is unlikely. Mostly these days men are motivated to go their own way.

    Or are all marriages under such circumstances doomed anyway?
    Stalin and Moa didn’t kill all dissidents. But just because you surrive the gulag doesn’t mean you want to repete the experience

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  15. I will leave this one to the guys to weigh in on… I would not know what advice to give.


  16. Farm Boy says:

    Often there isn’t some obvious good advice. Sometimes understanding the situation is the best one can do for now

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  17. SFC Ton says:

    Often there isn’t some obvious good advice. Sometimes understanding the situation is the best one can do for now


    MGTOW explained in 2 sentences

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  18. Farm Boy says:

    Some of the most outlandish tenets of this patriarchal online cult include these:

    Despite what feminists say, women don’t want equality or respect—they want to be dominated by a strong man.

    Women today should spend more time on their personal appearance and less on work or education because men are not attracted to intelligent women.

    The stereotypical American woman is a “self-entitled brat” who has been influenced by “feminist hogwash.”

    All women are alike. Red Pill advocates invented a buzzword, “AWALT,” to explain this concept. It means “All Women Are Like That.”

    Men should consider male-dominated trades because mechanics, electricians and plumbers are able to avoid negative female influences in the workplace. Men in a corporate culture or in academia risk being emasculated by women.


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  19. Cheque d'Out says:


  20. SFC Ton says:

    Despite what feminists say, women don’t want equality or respect—they want to be dominated by a strong man.

    Women today should spend more time on their personal appearance and less on work or education because men are not attracted to intelligent women.

    The stereotypical American woman is a “self-entitled brat” who has been influenced by “feminist hogwash.”

    All women are alike. Red Pill advocates invented a buzzword, “AWALT,” to explain this concept. It means “All Women Are Like That.”

    Men should consider male-dominated trades because mechanics, electricians and plumbers are able to avoid negative female influences in the workplace. Men in a corporate culture or in academia risk being emasculated by women.

    Some fine advice right there. Damn fine advice

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  21. Cheque d'Out says:

    Somebody mentioned liking Holsteins a few days ago (FB, I think). They’re in luck.

    BloJo Johnson’s sister has flopped her milkers out on TV

    Oh yes she did. Zero points for originality but at least she didn’t unleash her growler too, so that’s nice.

    [See much one does not.
    Easily amused her friends would be ]

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  22. Cheque d'Out says:

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  23. Cheque d'Out says:

    Victory through superior wordsmithery

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  24. Cheque d'Out says:

    They’re threatening to go nuclear

    [Mad cow disease it would be?]

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  25. Cheque d'Out says:

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  26. Cheque d'Out says:


  27. Farm Boy says:

    Some fine advice right there. Damn fine advice

    But it was meant as a warning against.

    Another Project Fear

    Who are you going to believe? What authorities tell you or your own lying eyes?


  28. mgtowhorseman says:

    Why upshift?
    By 32 the guy is thru school in something useful, has been working for five years, is making ok money without having to be a supervisor, has a home of some kind, a car, toys like bike or boat.

    He has money for his needs, buddies for fun, he has few “I have to s”.
    He has learned to cook, launder, clean according to his needs and likes.

    He has his ways, habits, patterns.
    He has his own little land.

    For the umpteenth time…
    Other thsn its good for society, why is it good for HIM…personally? For the GUY!!??

    I am never getting an answer am I

    P.s. Dalrock discusses the causes and effect very well.
    NO ONE has ever answered my question other than sex or he just should.


  29. mgtowhorseman says:

    Riddle me this batman.
    A man is happy living with little responsibility and wants, hurting no one.
    Why should he Upshift, Manup, get collared, etc?
    Why cant we just let him alone?


  30. Farm Boy says:

    Amazon’s abandoned plans for building a new headquarters in New York has been big news, and while some celebrate and others lament, a spokesperson for the company on Thursday pointed a very specific finger when offering their reason for ditching: Right at freshman Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez


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  31. mgtowhorseman says:

    “I will leave this one to the guys to weigh in on… I would not know what advice to give.”

    Answer my question. Whats in it for him.

    George Clooney “Sell me marriage”


  32. Liz says:

    NO ONE has ever answered my question

    Pretty sure I have horseman.


  33. Cheque d'Out says:

    I was thrown out of our pub quiz over the question: “Where do women mostly have curly hair?” Apparently the answer was Africa.

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  34. Liz says:

    Answer my question. Whats in it for him.
    George Clooney “Sell me marriage”

    Once again, it depends on the individual(s).
    There’s no one size fits all life recipe.
    Not for having kids, having friends, buying a car, a horse, a dog, a career path…ad nauseam ect.
    What do you want out of life? What makes you happy?
    Who is the person you’re speaking of because people are different.
    Mike’s ex would not have made him happy. It would sound self-ingratiating to go into detail and I won’t…but he is happy with me.

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  35. Liz says:

    It’s the man’s job to ask the woman to marry him.
    If he doesn’t think she’s a good investment, he shouldn’t ask.

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  36. BuenaVista says:

    They would have to downshift first to get up the hill.

    No. Could they? Sure. Do they? No.

    Power of habit.

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  37. BuenaVista says:

    Woman presents the greater liability in marriage. A smart woman knows this so she confronts the underwriter and says, This is why we should be married.

    Any woman who doesn’t acknowledge what marriage does to men and children is very, very dangerous.
    These women want total equality, except for money, control of children, free time, use of police, etc.

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  38. BuenaVista says:

    So, since we’re being metaphorical today, if I’m a terrible credit risk, a terrible default risk, it’s my job to pitch a deal to my desired counterparty.

    Women who don’t want to deal with this are NOT going to be chivalrousry proposed to by desirable men on bended knee. Just jackasses.

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  39. Liz says:

    The old joke stands:
    1) If I’m trying to sell to you, you can wear whatever you like.
    2) If you’re trying to sell to me, put on a f*cking tie (or in this case, nice dress).

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  40. Liz says:

    Mike skis with a guy who also flies for Southwest (they call this area we live in the “Southwest mafia” I guess there are a lot of Southwest people here). At any rate, he’s in his second marriage and describes it this way: I like my alone time, she likes hers. They have no interest in having kids (though she is in her early 30s, about 15 years younger than he so that might change). Just freedom to do whatever. She’s a lawyer and works very very long hours. It’s exactly what he wants. That’s like 180 out from what Mike wanted but sounds like it works for them.

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  41. Cheque d'Out says:


  42. thedeti says:

    Farm Boy:

    AOC looks very angry. That, or she is really working hard to engage that Occasional Cortex.

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  43. thedeti says:

    It’s the man’s job to sell the woman on sex. It’s his job to convince her why sex with him is a good idea.

    It’s the woman’s job to sell the man on commitment. It’s her job to convince him why it’s a good idea for him to commit to her.

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  44. SFC Ton says:

    Changes in cultural, ecconmic and consumer service have remmoved any all but two reasons for men to marry.

    Some few men will want to marry for religious reasons, some few will want chidlern but there is no social or economic forces to help compel men into marriage.

    At the same time women have gone out of their way to become bigger burdens,more risky liabilities and pickyer then ever.

    I am surprised marriage rates are so high right now. I would think 20% of men (lesser alpha/ greater beta types) getting married is more realistic.

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  45. Farm Boy says:

    Artificial intelligence has now reached the AOC level of intelligence

    SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) – A research group backed by Silicon Valley heavyweights on Thursday released a paper showing that technology that can generate realistic news stories from little more than a headline suggestion is poised to advance rapidly in the coming years.

    OpenAI, the group backed by LinkedIn founder Reid Hoffman, among others, was founded to research how to make increasingly powerful artificial intelligence tools safer. It found, among other things, that computers – already used to write brief news reports from press releases – can be trained to read and write longer blocks of text more easily than previously thought.

    One of the things the group showed in the paper is that their model is able to “write news articles about scientists discovering talking unicorns.”



  46. Farm Boy says:

    WASHINGTON, D.C.—In a statement issued Friday, former president Barack Obama strongly condemned President Trump’s “dangerous” and “concerning” use of unilateral executive action to build a wall along the southern border of the country.

    A humble Obama said he doesn’t like to insert himself in modern politics. “It’s important to keep the focus off me so Trump can do his best job for the nation.” Nonetheless, he says he felt he had to speak out on this issue.

    “Can you imagine if the president just ignored Congress all the time and used executive action to accomplish his agenda?” Obama remarked. “That would be incredibly bad for individual liberty and the separation of powers the founding fathers so wisely created.”

    “The White House should accomplish its aims through the proper channels. The president is not a dictator who can just sign executive orders any time he wants,” he added.

    Obama pointed out that if the president abuses executive orders, the country would run the risk of having a radical commander in chief who could just force through his pet agenda items, get the nation involved in countless foreign entanglements, or balloon the national debt without congressional approval.

    “This is a dangerous precedent,” he concluded.


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  47. thedeti says:

    AOC has healthy gums.

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  48. earl says:


    ‘Why upshift?’

    Well…why did you upshift?

    I find it funny a guy who has been married for several years is the one continuing to ask the question….’why marriage’? Well obviously you got married for some reason.


  49. Cheque d'Out says:

    Oh noes

    Not that I know much about him compared to you guys


  50. Cheque d'Out says:

    BREXIT Secretary Steve Barclay held “completely useless” talks with EU ambassadors on Friday, it is claimed. The Conservative Cabinet member met with EU 27 officials ahead of crunch talks on Monday with Brussels’ chief Brexit negotiator, Michel Barnier. But the meeting did not go well, according to a BuzzFeed News source.

    Meanwhile, Donald Trump has vowed US trade with the UK will be “substantially increased” after Brexit. The US President pledged to back Britain on the day the countries struck a deal to preserve £12.8 billion of trade after Britain leaves the EU.


    Now watch May fuck it all up with her shit deal with the EU.


  51. Cheque d'Out says:

    Molly, thanks for mentioning Lorna Doone

    Never knew that the best character in Coupling had played such a role. Richard Coyle.


  52. Cheque d'Out says:

    Seems like such a sweetie, I certainly hope that she’s well and not burning in hell at all

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  53. Cill says:

    Spawny me old mocker, the beeps of any of those 3 would be terrible to behold, but the sight of Diane Abbot’s floppy knockers would be a day I’d wish I’d never lived to see

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  54. Cheque d'Out says:

    A bit of background
    Chukka is the bald guy in the video. He’s a bliarite hand-shandy laba MP. Soft left.

    He and Corbyn do not get on. To put it mildly. And Mongmentum is Jezza’s hard core hard of thinking cadre of hard left true believers. They hate Chukka.

    Chukka knows that mongmentum have taken over his local laba branch and are determined to deselect and replace him with a true believer. He’s been talking about forming a new (no hoper) party or joining the existing no hoper lib dems.

    Here’s mongmentum’s loving tweet to him

    I love it when the hard left thugs and the champagne socialist liars go at it, it smells like victory.

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  55. Cheque d'Out says:

    ProjectTerror, Cill, truly ProjectTerror

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  56. Cheque d'Out says:


  57. Cill says:

    Talking about borders, I think Diane Abbott’s knockers would be borderless. As nations without borders would not be nations, knockers without borders would not knock.

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  58. Farm Boy says:

    The placards, seen around Arizona State University earlier this month, show a bust of Covington student Nick Sandmann garbed in his “Make America Great Again” hat with the phrase “STAND YOUR GROUND” underneath.

    According to The State Press, although campus officials denounced the posters, some ASU minority students and faculty “still fear they may be targeted.”

    Komalpreet Sahota, a graduate student in “justice studies” and a member of the Multicultural Solidarity Coalition, said several students came to the MSC “feeling very intimidated and concerned and also fearful for their safety.”



  59. Farm Boy says:

    Earlier today I wrote about Megan McArdle’s contention that the Green New Deal won’t work even if it’s goals were adopted wholesale tomorrow. At best the GND would reduce carbon emissions in the United States that contribute about 15% to total world emissions. In other words, if you bring that 15% down to zero, you still have 85% that we don’t control. And there’s some reason to think that our dropping out of the global market for fossil fuel use might result in cheaper oil and gas which would then be even more appealing to developing countries like India.



  60. Farm Boy says:

    Alexandria Donkey-Chompers, lying?!

    After she was so honest and candid about her Green New Deal talking points?

    And now someone says she’s lying?!

    I shan’t believe it.

    No, I simply shannot.

    But Jason Chaffetz, former chairman of the House Oversight Committee, said Ocasio-Cortez’ claims don’t stack up.
    “It’s totally naïve and inappropriate — you wouldn’t allow it in most companies, let alone the House of Representatives. There should be real consequences,” Chaffetz told Fox News.

    “When I was in the House, my scheduler would forward my wife my schedule once a week. But you’re not allowed unfettered access. And he isn’t even her spouse,” he added.” “… It should be referred to the ethics committee for further investigation.”


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  61. Cheque d'Out says:

    Hold put on Sausage World

    I can only imagine the ladies’ disappointment. So close to Valentine’s Day too.


  62. mgtowhorseman says:

    Liz not to offend but you answered as a traditionalist. Mike is of the generation of marrieds, the find someone. Yes he found you, is happy with you.
    He WANTED to get married to someone hence two wives and luckily it was you. He drank the koolaid long before you came along.

    My question is the guy who is ambivalent to marriage. The current 30 year old who has seen marriage fail his entire life.

    What is a logical reason, in his interests, to marry a hypothetical girl.

    Not to be insensitive but what do you do for mike that he cannot do for himself.
    Even your love for him, it is an emotion you feel. What does your love actually DO for a man WHO DOES NOT BELIEVE.
    But the question is always the averasge modern selfish woman and the independent man. Why?


  63. mgtowhorseman says:

    It’s the man’s job to ask the woman to marry him.
    If he doesn’t think she’s a good investment, he shouldn’t ask.

    Ok If a guy is in a relationship I will give you this.

    But guys are NOT STARTING relationships!!!

    Why even look to date at all.

    Ask a different way. Why should a man who can entertain, take care of, provide for himself bother to go on a dating site, a bar, say hi on the street. Why should he bother to get to know a random girl stranger?

    P.s. bars, clubs, jewelry companies, banks are all dying for an answer. Guys are not initiating any form of courtship to get down the path to marriage.

    Why should I say Hi to any girl??


  64. mgtowhorseman says:

    I got married at 24 in 1988 to a girl who said from the age of 14 all she ever wanted to do was be a wife and mother. I am a throwback as is mike and liz. Her parents just celebrated 54. Mine were married 50+. We drank the koolaid. It was our belief in the institution that saved ours. And I kicked her out for a month and said and meant the D word before we worked it out.

    I am not a guy born in 1990 who had his dad ejected, who was a teenager in 2005 and who went to college at the start of title ix. My question is for the guy who doesnt believe. The guy everyone needs to convince.

    Oh he will come around, he will manup, he just will.

    NO! He Wont!!
    Men need a logical reason. Wishes aint working.
    If it did then it would be just married later, a date shift.

    But the EVER married stat is falling like a rock. 20, 30, hell 70.
    Guys are not initiating marriage.
    I dont want to work but I have to…to eat.

    I dont want to marry And I dont have to.

    What is the you have to for marriage when I dont want to.

    Cause girls aint making them Want to?

    I fully acknowledge the apparent hypocracy. My gift to the world would be committed lifetime marriage. But I KNOW better.

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  65. Cheque d'Out says:

    Aren’t the next bunch growing up being called Generation Zyklon by some? They know the deal they’re being offered is shit. I think that things are going to start changing because the uncouth tykes are going to ask the rude questions that so many currently avoid posing…like “You want me to pay for what? No.”

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  66. earl says:

    ‘I got married at 24 in 1988 to a girl who said from the age of 14 all she ever wanted to do was be a wife and mother.’

    So in other words you married a woman and not a feminist. The later is why many guys don’t want to get married.

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  67. SFC Ton says:

    The Ton has a suggestion for all these multicultural types are a scart for their safety….. go back to the shitholes where you are the dominate culutre

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  68. Cill says:

    “I fully acknowledge the apparent hypocracy.”

    I don’t see any hypocrisy there. Don’t start apologizing now, mate. If you’re a hypocrite so am I, and I’m not apologizing. I’ve had no relationships much beyond sex until my present woman whom I’ve been with for years now. It’s going well so far, but I’m wary as all hell. I heeded good advice from some of you experienced blokes on this blog. BV, thedeti, crusty old* Ton, et al and it’s no secret that I have more than a passing respect for the Patriarch. No cohabitation, frame etc. are a big part of the relationship. It’s not hard.

    *Ya’ll 10+ years older than me.

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  69. Farm Boy says:

    A 1952 graduate of Cornell University who was honored last Friday at an Association of Class Officers annual event ended up apologizing because he uttered the word … “Negro.”



  70. Farm Boy says:

    Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand signaled her support Friday for tearing down the already standing border wall when asked if she would support demolition efforts.


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  71. Farm Boy says:

    “Yellow vest” protesters have announced demonstrations across France scheduled for Saturday, February 16, and Sunday, February 17. Rallies are expected at various locations throughout Paris



  72. Ame says:

    or she is really working hard to engage that Occasional Cortex.


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  73. Ame says:

    Spawny … those women make turning off the lights and only having sex at night when it’s really dark a necessity … or so i would think!

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  74. Farm Boy says:

    “What’s great is that our economy, our local economy, is already growing. So I firmly believe that if we want to take that $3 billion dollars that we were willing to give to Amazon and invest it in our local community, we can do that. We can make those jobs. We can make 25,000 jobs. But we don’t have to give away and allow our subway system to crumble so that Amazon essentially owns a part of New York City. We can create 25,000 jobs with Mom-and-Pops; we can create 25,000 jobs with companies that are willing to come to the table, but we should not be giving away our infrastructure, our subway system, our schools, our teachers’ salaries, our firefighters’ budgets, to a company that has not shown good faith to New Yorkers.”

    This is almost unbelievably stupid. Obviously, there is no “$3 billion dollars that we were willing to give to Amazon.” No one ever proposed to give money to Amazon. Those were dollars that “we” hypothetically would have refrained from collecting from Amazon. Those dollars do not exist. They are not in the possession of New York State or any other public entity. They cannot be “invest[ed] in our local community.” The absence of those funds will not “allow our subway system to crumble.” No one has ever proposed “giving away our infrastructure, our schools, our teachers’ salaries, our firefighters’ budgets,” to Amazon or anyone else.


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  75. Cill says:

    FB 3:27 am

    Shifted the focus from the teeth to the eyes you have.

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  76. Cill says:

    Intellectually challenged she would be.

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  77. Cill says:

    FB, since Yoda is apparently taking a break, step into the breech I will.

    A retard among retards AOC would be.

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  78. Cill says:

    Dumb as a Worm with half a terminal ganglia AOC is. Thick as whatever makes pig shit look thin she would be.

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  79. BuenaVista says:

    Liz’ remark on the SWA Mafia guy: “I like my alone time, she likes hers.”

    They have boundaries that are stable. They both want a companion and good for them! they found one. They hold hands in the dark. I can think of, and describe, a lot worse.

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  80. BuenaVista says:

    The Cill: “I’ve had no relationships much beyond sex until my present woman whom I’ve been with for years now. It’s going well …”

    We are meant to have companions, and good men are fierce and unyielding companions. In the USA neither the law nor the police nor childrens services agree.

    Very happy for you Cill.

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  81. BuenaVista says:

    It’s probably obvious, so apologies, but the Donkey Chomp confuses taxes not paid with cash on hand. Amazon: Promised $3B taxes not to be paid. Donkey Chomp: Redirect the bribe to local shopkeepers!

    That woman is going to flame out like Stormy Daniels. Remember her? Barely, most people would say.

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  82. Farm Boy says:

    Nearly everything that we used to attribute to sexual difference is explicable in terms of gender — which, when the term is appropriated from grammar and applied to human beings (as it first was ca. 1960), means that it is arbitrary . . . a social construct . . . and nothing more. Therefore, the law cannot take cognizance of the differences between women and men.

    The sad truth is that the dogma that provided the foundation for the 10th circuit’s decision is shared by nearly everyone who teaches at the colleges and universities in this country and that the credentialed elite produced by these institutions is by and large on board with this nonsense. What makes it particularly astonishing is that this dogma has gradually become established in an era in which students of biology have gone the other direction — suggesting that nature, rather than nurture, is the primary influence on the way we customarily think and the way we live. On the one side, there is ideology. On the other, there is science. We as a country are choosing the former.



  83. Farm Boy says:

    I spent about six years actively dating around the Bay Area. In that time I dated, for varying amounts of time, three self-described indie rockers, an amateur hockey player, an elementary school teacher with a drinking problem, a yoga teacher who didn’t drink alcohol (or consume processed sugars and carbohydrates of any kind), an English teacher living in his mom’s in-home daycare, and a skateboarding enthusiast who worked as a manager at a tech company.

    These budding relationships ended for various reasons. At least three of the aforementioned men were still in love with their exes. One said he couldn’t handle the pressure of texting me “witty responses,” and thus could not go on seeing me. Most of the rest were “not looking for something serious.”

    I attributed these failures not to the region in which I was dating, but to the fraught Millennial dating landscape as a whole. Perhaps I was wrong in thinking this, according to a popular San Francisco Reddit thread, posted just in time for Valentine’s Day



  84. RichardP says:

    @FB – re your link to the Breasts decision: A couple of thoughts on that.

    I have female sisters, female cousins, female nieces, and a female daughter. Every last one of them, at the age of 2, ran around stark naked and thought it was great fun. And every last one of them, at around the age of 8 began to become self-aware and self-concious, and began to cover up – especially their genitals and breasts.

    I have male brothers, male cousins, male nieces, but no male daughter. Every last one of them, at the age of 2 ran around stark naked and thought it was great fun. And every last one of them, at around the age of 8 began to become self-aware and self-concious, and began to cover up – especially the genitals – but never their breasts.

    Male and female both revel in nakedness until a certain age. At which point, the girls begin to cover their breast and the boys don’t.

    I’m sure the difference is due to nothing more than a social construct. (not)

    Grown up guys don’t mind if someone comes up and puts their hand on his naked torso, either on purpose or accidentally. Think most women will have that same response when they walk around with their naked torso? And I’m sure there are some wives who will get a kick out of watching their husband fondle the neighbor’s naked breasts just because they are there. But I can’t imagine that most wives will feel that way. Upon what basis can any woman expect a law to protect her from behavior that guys don’t mind at all – if it is all just a social contruct? I can’t imagine females going for too long without demanding just such a law – from females who don’t want males touching their naked torso to wives who don’t want their husband surrounded by naked female torsos all day long at work.

    This will be interesting to watch.


  85. RichardP says:

    @horseman: there has historically only ever been two answers to your question why should he get married?

    1. because he wants to, or;
    2. because she found herself pregnant

    I think that, historically, more marriages have been based on Reason 2 than has ever been publically acknowledged. Which just may prove the adage that there is no reason for marriage to exist until children are involved. And then the marriage is for the stable upbringing of the children and not for the male and female who wed.

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  86. Questions you can’t ask for $200, Alex… If race and gender don’t exist, then why do we need affirmative action? (Racist! Sexist! How DARE you!!!)

    Things that make you go hummm…

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  87. Cill says:

    Thanks mate. I think there’s some cultural confusion. Although the Poms joining the Common Market forced us kiwis closer to the USA and China, truth is a lot of us are Bri’ish at heart. I know the Patriarch as well as is possible online I thi nk and I don’t read he’s trying to get at you personally. Respect bro BV. Go well.

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  88. Cheque d'Out says:

    I’m not having a go at anyone. I like everybody here. Even if I didn’t, that wouldn’t be a reason for someone to leave. The thing that I have a hang up about is, you may have noticed, deliberate lying. Honestly wrong is not lying afaiac. Honestly wrong people need to discover that they’re wrong. Being able to discuss things is the route to that.

    After writing that, I read the last thread.

    “Thanks for the back door accusation.”

    Not what I think, not what I wrote. All I meant to do is explain where I was. I don’t play games with serious issues, not with the people involved, that is. Politicians who have no interest in what I think are different(to me).

    Hell, I agree with you, on much/most of what you describe. And have said so or upticked much of it. My wonderment comes from how the women didn’t see this growing up. At which point one has to wonder if they’re being honest. And my judgment is that they are. I don’t require agreement. That gap between perceptions, to me, is Pandora’s Box.

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  89. Cheque d'Out says:

    You know who you are, we’re done with this tit, take it back.


  90. Cheque d'Out says:

    Even McSturgeon is taken aback by Natalie’s uber-mongery


  91. Cheque d'Out says:

    The other woman in that photo is the Welsh…politician thing. Leanne something.

    That photo is what you get when the wahmen leaders meet up.


  92. Cheque d'Out says:

    I, for one, look forward to FarmBoy’s review of Catpain Marbles. Because I, for one, am not going anywhere near it.

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  93. Cheque d'Out says:

    Hope so, we’ll see.

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  94. Cheque d'Out says:

    Might be of interest

    I’m surprised that he’s talking about that late a date, I’d go for WWI

    Chancellor George Osborne is to pay off the UK government’s remaining debt from World War One, the Treasury has announced.

    The government will repay the outstanding £1.9bn of debt from a 3.5% War Loan on 9 March 2015.

    The move goes further than October’s announcement that the government would pay off £218m of debts from World War One.

    More than 120,000 investors hold War Loan bonds.

    Issued by then Chancellor Neville Chamberlain in 1932, the War Loan was used to refinance government debt accumulated during World War One. It replaced an earlier bond which paid 5% to investors.

    It is the first time the government has paid off a bond of this kind in 67 years. The Debt Management Office estimates the government has paid about £5.5bn in total interest on the 5% and 3.5% war loans respectively since 1917.

    I don’t dream of days of empire BTW. Also, my ideal Commonwealth would be a lot more selective of who belongs. Just saying. It would be a lot smaller.


  95. Cheque d'Out says:

    That blog ^^^ is called American Greatness BTW. Never seen it before.


  96. Cheque d'Out says:

    Sounds about right

    I’d say that I was generic south-eastern and my map allows for anywhere to the south and east of a line between Portland Bill and Lowestoft. It has a concentration to the south and to the east of London…but not London. The ‘It’ area in the image, trimmed down a bit is a pretty good guide.

    Others claim it’s highly accurate. Perhaps I tend to accumulate words too easily to be very restricted in where my supposed origins lay?

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  97. Cheque d'Out says:

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  98. Cheque d'Out says:

    I mentioned Jezza’s Mongmentum, the latest shrieking point in the tory traitor canon is…

    Hopefully to take its first scalp on the day of BREXIT, a scumbag tory minister no less

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  99. Liz says:

    “Liz not to offend but you answered as a traditionalist. Mike is of the generation of marrieds, the find someone. Yes he found you, is happy with you.
    He WANTED to get married to someone hence two wives and luckily it was you. He drank the koolaid long before you came along.”

    I’m sure he’d planned on getting married sometime in life.
    But the last thing in the world he was looking to do when we met and he was 22 and had just gotten rid of his ex, was to get married.

    My question is the guy who is ambivalent to marriage.
    My answer above. If he’s ambivalent he shouldn’t.

    What is a logical reason, in his interests, to marry a hypothetical girl.
    My answer above. It depends on the situation and the individuals. There’s no universal answer. For that matter, not everyone should raise a family and have children either. A good portion of people should not.

    Not to be insensitive but what do you do for mike that he cannot do for himself.
    Even your love for him, it is an emotion you feel. What does your love actually DO for a man WHO DOES NOT BELIEVE.

    Well, if you remove love from the equation which encompasses our family unit, the closeness and interdependence and trust we’ve developed over time in the course of our life together, we’re just two people living in the same home. That’s true over other close human relationships too. Without our love for our kids they’re just resource suckers….yet with our closeness we have a pretty awesome family (not possible without things like “emotion”)

    So without that closeness what do I do?
    -Hm….well, I do all the finances but he could get someone to do that (trust might be a hard one, and consistency with all the life changes but he could get around that).
    -I’m on call all the time for every need (cook, delivery person, housekeeper, and an overall supervisor a portion of the time he’s away and I take care of the kids’ needs…but he could pay someone to do that).
    -Sex would be the easier one for him to obtain, but I don’t think anyone would be able to do what I do after all these years I know what he’s thinking and exactly what he wants, but I’m sure the new and younger aspect would be suitable compensation.
    -He thinks I’m funny, but he has a lot of clever friends and could hire a clown.
    -I don’t think he’d be able to buy loyalty and trust, but we’ve established closeness is an irrelevancy and that’s pretty integral.
    -I’m a confidant and provide emotional support/psychological therapy when things happen (like, say, I get a call that his father whom he was close to just drove out to a parking lot and shot himself in the head…I get to relay that message, and then go to the funeral when he needs the support. That was a bad month).
    But a good dog could probably do that stuff.

    Anyway, please don’t say no one ever answered the question.

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  100. Cheque d'Out says:

    Gilets Jaunes are at it agin. 14th week

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  101. Cheque d'Out says:

    ‘Forget not that the state must be at the service of the people. Not the opposite’

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  102. Farm Boy says:

    is this: people in the FBI (aided an abetted by elements in the CIA and the Obama administration) decided that they didn’t like the person who had been elected President of the United States. Their anger and frustration boiled over when the President had the temerity to fire their man, James Comey. So they plotted to get rid of him.

    The FBI didn’t like the President. so they plotted to remove him from office. That is the irreducible minimum, class, that you should take away from this whole sordid lesson. Top figures in the Federal Bureau of Investigation did not approve of the President. Therefore, they took steps to destroy him. Rod Rosenstein, Deputy Attorney General, several times offered to wear a wire to entrap the President



  103. Farm Boy says:

    Bertie County got a call from a motorist at 7:20 a.m. Wednesday, reporting “a bear was hanging off of a dump truck” headed north on US 17 to the Bertie County landfill

    However, the driver resolved the matter more quickly by rolling back the netting, reported the chamber of Facebook. “The bear hopped out of the truck and ran in the woods!” said the post.


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  104. Farm Boy says:

    I wonder what New York State’s Position on this would be…

    Vegan parents in Florida allegedly starved and left their 5-month-old baby malnourished after they stopped using the doctor-advised formula and instead gave him a potato-based mash, police said.



  105. Farm Boy says:

    Even though so many of us Venezuelans fled to America to escape from the destructive consequences of socialism, liberal politicians like Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., and Rep. José Serrano, D-N.Y., have praised the same kind of policies that produced famine, mass exodus and soaring inflation in Venezuela.

    Even worse, in recent weeks, Democratic Representatives Ilhan Omar, Ro Khanna, and Tulsi Gabbard have mischaracterized the current protests against Maduro and condemned President Trump’s widely-supported moves to help end Maduro’s dictatorship.

    Additionally, many congressional Democrats support “Medicare-for-all” and the “Green New Deal,” proposals that would nationalize the health insurance industry, guarantee everyone who wants it a job and massively raise taxes, increasing government intervention in the economy like few countries except Cuba and Venezuela have seen before. Proponents think that they can give all Americans quality health care, housing, and everything for free and that somehow politicians can do a better job at running a business than the business owners themselves.



  106. Farm Boy says:

    In Scotland, an 18-year-old male who identifies as a woman was given a slap on the wrist by authorities earlier this month after assaulting a 10-year-old girl in the restroom.



  107. Farm Boy says:

    The European Union’s approach to trade and partnerships is not so much about all boats rising together so much as it is about their bureaucrats jumping on board your vessel, hoisting their flag, and declaring “regulatory conformity” — which actually just means “Brussels’ rules.”



  108. Farm Boy says:

    Though Amazon won’t lose much by redirecting expansion elsewhere (including adding personnel to its offices elsewhere in New York), Big Tech should be worried about the company’s experience. Once viewed by the left as the Good Big Business, Big Tech has now been reclassified to the ranks of the rapacious monopolists. Meanwhile, the right is also getting less tech-friendly as it perceives Big Tech taking the other side in the culture wars. At the moment, tech has no obvious political allies.

    Allies are going to be essential, because Amazon’s battles with local activists in Seattle and now New York were but the opening skirmishes in what promises to be a long war. Activists are looking to curb tech’s economic power, with whatever political tools they have at their disposal, from the special employment taxes tried in Seattle to lobbying for federal antitrust actions



  109. Cill says:

    “He thinks I’m funny, but he has a lot of clever friends and could hire a clown.”

    HAHAHAHA! What’s the going rate for clowns these days? Less than a typical wife, that’s for sure, but it’s obvious as a dog’s balls that Liz is not a typical wife. Talking about dogs, why bother with a clown or a wife-for-a-clown when you’ve got a dog? My late Dog was too tragic to be funny (except when he tried to howl at the moon and that was enough to make a frog choke up laughing) but current Dog is funny without trying. When I take him out for our dawn farm walk every fibre of his being exudes deep joy. He dashes here, skips there, sniffs everywhere, earnestly shits and squirts to mark the boundaries even though he’s the only dog to have set foot here and for miles around. Perhaps he’s thinking of borders against possums, which he dispatches with psychopathic savery if he grabs one. He is a binary brute comprising Go and Sleep. His emotional modes are Love and Kill.

    Now what the heck were we talking about? “He thinks I’m funny, but he has a lot of clever friends and could hire a clown.” It’s there in the comment. No need for a clown – or no need to hire one, at least.

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  110. Liz says:

    Dogs are awesome, Cill!
    Just saw a meme (on pinterest so I don’t think I can link to it) with a small dog that says, “If you had to jump 3x your body length to et into a chair, you’d be lazy too”
    Think that’s my spirit animal. 😆

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  111. Farm Boy says:

    What’s the going rate for clowns these days?

    Well, there seems to be a large supply. Starting with the Democratic Presidents candidates, then working downward.


    Alexandria Donkey-Chompers

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  112. Farm Boy says:

    New EU motto — “Our extra ballast sinks all ships”

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  113. Farm Boy says:

    WASHINGTON, D.C.—Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is busy celebrating her victory over the tyrannical Jeff Bezos and the horrible burden his company Amazon had planned to inflict on the people of New York City: 25,000 jobs.

    “I thought it was a good thing that Amazon was coming to New York and wanted to give us money,” Ocasio-Cortez told the press. “But then I found out they were going to extort people and only give them the money if they worked for it. Forcing people to work if they want to get paid — how is that any different from slavery?”

    A number of people tried to explain to her how that was different from slavery, but she just stared at them with incomprehension. “No one needs to work,” Ocasio-Cortez continued. “We just need to tax the rich enough and we’ll have enough money for everyone, and no one will need one of those awful jobs that are just as bad as slavery and almost as bad as transphobia. We could also maybe print some money. I have a printer at home.”

    Not everyone was as happy about the loss of 25,000 new jobs. “You fool! What have you done?!” New York Governor Andrew Cuomo shouted at Ocasio-Cortez as he ran into her press conference.

    “I made us 3 billion dollars!” Ocasio-Cortez explained. “We were going to give Amazon 3 billion dollars in tax breaks, but now we have that money for other things since I chased them away.”

    “That’s not how it works!” Cuomo yelled, now openly weeping.

    “No, I’m very good with numbers,” Ocasio-Cortez said. She held up a notebook with a few hastily scrawled numbers on it. She pointed to one. “This one is a four.”

    Ocasio-Cortez has vowed to chase out even more companies from her district, freeing her constituents from burdensome work and gaining the treasury more money in tax breaks it doesn’t have to pay. Cuomo has vowed to curl into a ball and cry.



  114. RichardP says:

    Question: whay should a man of today get married?

    From upthread – my answer 1 out of 2: Because he wants to.

    Liz quite obviously has the attributes that triggered the “want to” in Mike. I think it is foolish to think that there are no women of today that will cause the “want to” in the men of today. There will be at least enough of those to keep the population going – as it has for thousands of years.

    There never has been a one-size-fits-all when it comes to humans and personalities and what turns your crank. There has always been men and women who did not / could not attract a mate. There has always been men and women who did attract a mate. And so it will continue.

    @Ton: We had a discussion a few threads back that turned on the phrase – wait and see what happens in three weeks – re. Trump. Three weeks are over, and so, I think, is Trump.

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  115. Farm Boy says:

    Why doesn’t Amazon pick a spot in Fly-Over Country. It would be good PR with the Deplorables


  116. RichardP says:

    A story for the weekend that covers much ground:

    I’m riffing off of the question “why should a man of today get married? And my answer 2 of 2 from upthread: because she found herself pregnant.

    When I was in the Army I worked at the Pentagon and was stationed at Ft. Myer – at the top of the hill upon which Arlington Cemetery is built. The barracks were modern, with four beds to a room that was spacious enough to comfortably hold all four guys. One of my roomates friends was over one Friday after work – moaning that he missed his girlfriend and how he really needed to see here. Neither one of them had cars, but I had one. So I said, lets go now. We piled in the car and drove to Roanoke, Virgina. They both had to be on duty the following afternoon, so we didn’t plan to spend the night.

    When we arrived in Roanoke, the fellow directed my to a fast food place with a grocery store nearby. We agreed to meet back there in five hours. He called his girlfriend to come get him, the other guy called friends to come get him, and I bought a newspaper and probably Time magazine and sat and read for five hours. The trip home was filled with talk of what they both had done in that time, with particular details paid to what the boyfriend had done to the girlfriend.

    A couple of weeks later, an obviously scared boyfriend was back visiting his friend in my room. She was pregnant. Nothing to do but take leave and go home and marry her. Which he did.

    After another couple of weeks, an obviously enraged boyfriend was back visiting his friend in my room. WTF??? She just had her period.

    Don’t know whether they stayed together or not. Don’t know if she actually thought she was pregnant, or just pretended to be. I’ve often wondered if his life would have turned out any differently if I had not offered to take him home that night. Whatever the truth, it is just one story out of many that I know of where a spouse was obtained this way.


    There is a picture of the flag raising over Iwo Jima. Someone made a statue out of that picture, and it sits off to the side of the main entrance to Ft Myer. I passed by it more times than I can count.

    I liked the young Rita Coolidge and Kris Kristofferson when I was younger. I liked it when they joined forces musically. I bought the albums they made together. One of the songs was entitled Rain (link in next post). I thought the harmonies were well done, but also thought the song was too morose to play very often. Written by Larry Gatlin after he discoverd the truth.

    A few years ago I also learned that truth, taken from the comment section of the link I gave:

    Heartbreaking song written about Ira Hayes, a dirt-poor Pima Native American and one of the Marines who raised the flag on Iwo Jima. He was unable to re-adjust to civilian life after the war and became an alcoholic, eventually dying in 1955 of exposure face down in a puddle of freezing rain.

    Doesn’t matter who you are, or what conflict is in view. If you give a damn about veterans, listen to the song at least once if you never have. And thank God for the Liz’s of the world who stand and deliver and keep things like this from happening more often.

    Don’t tell me that all women are sh*t.

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  117. RichardP says:

    This might be a double-posting. Rain


  118. RichardP says:

    The link isn’t here. Maybe it will show up later. Otherwise, go to YouTube and search on “Rain Kris and Rita” and you should find it.


  119. Farm Boy says:

    The most egregious anti-democratic actions ever taken by the what can now fairly be called the Deep State are confirmed with the publication of fired FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe’s new book detailing how the FBI and Justice Department plotted to remove President Trump from office for firing FBI Director James Comey.

    Justice Department and FBI officials spied on U.S. citizens with false warrants, gave a pass to one presidential campaign with a predetermined investigation, investigated another political campaign on the basis of no verified evidence, and illegally leaked information on investigations. They discussed wiretapping and using the 25th Amendment to the Constitution to remove President Trump, and appointed a special counsel as a retaliatory move for Comey’s firing.

    It is now crystal clear that the highest echelons of the Justice Department and FBI had morphed from the world’s most professional law enforcement organization into a Third World rump group. They had the hubris to believe that they – not the American people or their duly elected representatives – should decide who governs and how.



  120. Cill says:

    I’ve just caught up on all the discussion on “How Can This Be?” Very interesting. I do find it incredible that women are not always aware of the effect they have on men.

    The point was not made, and I think it’s relevant, that the men on this blog might be attractive to women IRL. If I’m right about this, they are going to see indications of interest and flirtatious behavior every day from women, including total strangers, who want to be encountered. I’ve even known married #N1 women to send unmistakable signals to attractive men. It’s instinctive, maybe unconscious behaviour in some cases.

    On the other hand I know men IRL (including husbands) who think women have no interest in sex whatsoever. One bloke told me “it’s like cranking an old Model T that just won’t start.” For them, the women of this world are a sexless bunch.

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  121. Farm Boy says:

    Even though I am not a native of the U.K., after taking the test, it seems that I would be a fella from the Midlands


  122. Farm Boy says:

    I wonder where the other colonials here would show up on the map


  123. Cill says:

    The point being that most of the time (or with 80% of men, at least) women are showing no interest in sex whatsoever, and it’s the farthest thing from their minds.


  124. RichardP says:

    I was going to make two final points before my links didn’t show up and broke the flow above.

    Rita’s sister’s name was Priscilla. She was married to Booker T. Jones who produced a lot of good music in the day, including some of Rita’s stuff. He sang backup on Rita’s songs and maybe some of Kris and Rita’s songs, as did Priscilla. Seems that all good things must end. They divorced and Priscilla married TV journalist/broadcaster/reporter Ed Bradley. That marriage ended and she married some other guy who would have her.

    A few years back there was big news about a murder / suicide in Thousand Oaks (where the fires burned badly and the guy shot up the nightclub recently). Turns out the husband killed the wife and then killed himself. Wife was Rita’s sister Priscilla.

    A tragic life. What attributes could Priscilla have possessed that would have made for a better life? Started out well. Didn’t end well. Maybe if both sisters had only known the gospel? Rita and Priscilla’s dad was a preacher and mom played the piano for the church.


    For Ame, and anyone else with young daughters or know those who have same. This describes pretty well how it goes if one is not careful. I’ve Got to Have You When those words occur, it’s probably a sign that one needs to back up a bit examine what is happening – whether it is a good thing or purely emotional. Young girls need to be taught this. Like Molly was.

    You came smiling softly
    Shyly moving, easy as a dreamer, into my world
    Then before I realized the danger
    I found myself staring into your eyes

    Somewhere in their colors
    I saw promises of things I’d never seen before
    It’s all over
    I’ve got to have you

    Holding onto, talking, saying nothing
    Knowing in a moment I could lose you
    Then without a warning I remember
    That you trembled at the touch of my hand

    Knowing when you came to me that
    No one else would ever feel the same in my arms
    It’s all over
    I’ve got to have you

    Waking in the morning to the
    Tenderness of holding you asleep in my arms
    Dreaming while your hair was blowing
    Softer than a whisper on my cheek

    I don’t know the feeling, so I don’t know if it’s love
    But it’s enough, it’s enough
    It’s all over
    I’ve got to have you

    I just can’t help it, no
    I’ve got to have you

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  125. Cill says:

    FB is a mon who wiz oop from the Midlands. Boot pugair it, where is this test?


  126. Cheque d'Out says:

    I thought the test might be interesting for colonial types. The Mighty Ton’s in particular given his roots.

    Don’t panick FB, but this AN example of a Midlands type accent.

    But there are many, it’s a rich region for accents. Much variation.

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  127. Cill says:

    My accent is the South of England. Cornwall through Norfolk and down to Kent, Sussex etc

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  128. Farm Boy says:

    Bruno Ganz, who played Hitler in the 2004 film Downfall, has died aged 77.


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  129. Cheque d'Out says:

    Cill, an ‘it’ type map? Me too though I’m more concentrated in the south east, outside London.


  130. Cheque d'Out says:

    I saw the Downfall Hitler thing this morning. When I went looking for a video clip, I couldn’t find one to do him justice.


  131. Farm Boy says:

    In honor of Bruno Ganz

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  132. Ame says:

    Liz is amazing.

    The End.


  133. Cheque d'Out says:

    From the Downfall video. Cuthbert, Dibble and Grub, you ask?

    A fine English vintage

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  134. Farm Boy says:

    You speak of the Midlands as if it was like this

    When I think of Midlands I think of this


  135. RichardP says:

    FB – thanks for that “Hitler finds out about Britain leaving the EU”. They did a good job of matching words to images. The message it conveys is sobering.

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  136. Farm Boy says:

    Whatever the reason, both the fact that there are more women in the workforce than ever before and the fact that Trump thought mentioning it would bring credit to his administration constitute a victory for the feminist left. Getting women to leave home for the workplace has been one of the central goals of modern feminism.

    Feminists deny this, claiming they don’t prefer women work outside the home; they only want women to have the choice to do so. But if that were true, why did congressional Democrats — the women in white, feminists all — jump up and cheer?



  137. Farm Boy says:

    Actor Jussie Smollett orchestrated an assault against him, Chicago police say
    Empire star hired two Nigerian brothers to beat him, investigators believe
    Smollett has hired high-powered defense lawyer Michael Monico
    Smollett said last month that he was the victim of a racist, homophobic attack
    Said he fought off two noose-wielding white men yelling ‘this is MAGA country’
    Two men held as suspects in attack were suddenly released Friday in Chicago
    Both men, Nigerian brothers, are friends of Smollett and said to be anti-Trump


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  138. Liz says:

    Thanks Ame, but I am not.
    I’ve read enough about you to know you’re far better than I am.

    Richard: Per Ira Hanes, we’re Johhny Cash fans (think he was the one to memorialize him by song, unless it was a remake). From your keyboard to God’s ear I hope. I can’t say it doesn’t worry me, for our sons, to have suicide on both sides of the family (our boys didn’t go to the funeral, nor do they know, thought it best).
    Anyway, hope you all are having a good weekend. Going to the climbing wall again today.

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  139. SFC Ton says:

    Apparently we need immigration because beating up gay black actors is one of those jobs White americans just wont do


  140. SFC Ton says:

    LOL I had some shit to say about accents and what not but decided to drink bourbon instead

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  141. SFC Ton says:

    Fair certian the Ira Hayes deal is false. Iirc he is one of the dudes who posed for the photo and not one of the hard ass pipe hitters who raised that flag when shit was real

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  142. SFC Ton says:

    Ton: We had a discussion a few threads back that turned on the phrase – wait and see what happens in three weeks – re. Trump. Three weeks are over, and so, I think, is Trump.

    LOL what did I miss RP? I am less informed then typical right now.


  143. Ame says:

    Thanks Ame, but I am not.
    I’ve read enough about you to know you’re far better than I am.

    very humbled and honored, but no.
    but i don’t guess we’ll change each other’s minds 😉

    – – –

    I can’t say it doesn’t worry me, for our sons, to have suicide on both sides of the family (our boys didn’t go to the funeral, nor do they know, thought it best).


    i was deeply sorry to read about Mike’s Dad. what a gift you are to Mike.

    such hard things in life to have to make decisions over. at some point they’ll know … but better when their brains are more fully developed and have the ability to reason well than when they’re at these critical ages. you and Mike are wise.

    and their personalities will factor in. Aspie-Girl knows much of what her dad did b/c she just flat-out asked. in her personality, not knowing was worse than knowing. Oldest doesn’t want to know, and her sister is forbidden to tell her; that’s my job and mine alone if she ever wants to know.

    i did do subtle things to prepare them, though … like teach them about how God loves prostitutes and those who use them … about the bible stories with prostitutes, things like that. nothing blatant, just when it could be woven gently into conversation and life. by the time Aspie-Girl asked, she had a firm grasp on the depravity of man, our humanity, sin, and forgiveness. so when i told her it was actually a relief to know the truth rather than some overwhelming, OMG! thing.

    may God give you and Mike both peace. may God heal and guide Mike thru the grief, and may He show y’all how to prepare your boys to know someday. He can, and He will.

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