How Can This Be?


Tarn always asserted that lots of teen girls possessed self-esteem problems.  I normally asserted that I could hardly see why.  Perhaps from a chick perspective it can happen, but from a guy’s it all seems rather odd.

First of all, they are all pumped up from the outside with self-esteem.  Secondly, they normally get better grades than the boys (the curriculum is slanted toward their style).  Thirdly, everybody likes young girls (not just young boys).  Fourth, the boys (young and older) are super interested in them, even if their appearance isn’t up to snuff by the standards of yesteryear.

So I was considering all of this, and came up with a possibility: hypergamy.  It is, after all, unleashed.  There is no longer any restraint.  Perhaps the typical girl shoots for what she considers the top guy, and if she fails, then she is worth nothing in her mind.  Naturally enough, there are many other suitable fellas around, but they are invisible.  So, top guy or I am a failure it is.

Let me state that I really don’t have much sympathy for such a perspective.  A society interested in self-perpetuating would not either.

Exit question: Is it unleashed hypergamy, or something else?

Posted in alpha fux, Dating????, FarmBoy, Hypergamy, Trainwreck
284 comments on “How Can This Be?
  1. I think the ladies will have the definitive take, but for my 2 cents, its not about self-esteem, but about where they are in the pecking order in whatever group of females they spend most of their time.

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  2. Liz says:

    I was very very insecure when I was a teen.
    Up until I met Mike.
    It wasn’t hypergamy.
    Oh….wait…
    Things that make you go hm.

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  3. On Thursday, the Health and Human Services committee of the South Dakota House killed a bill that would have protected the right of parents to refuse to consent to medical or psychological treatment for a child suffering from gender dysphoria if the treatment “would induce, confirm, or promote the child’s belief that the child’s sex or gender identity is different from the child’s sex presented at birth.” Proposed House Bill 1205 also provided that “no public authority or official of this state may take any adverse action against a parent for exercising this right.”

    That such a simple affirmation of parental rights could not clear a committee in this solidly red state should terrify parents, as it lays bare transgender activists’ plan: use the government to force parents to affirm a false sex for their child, agree to hormone blockers, and accept a transition to their son or daughter’s preferred gender. If parents refuse? Removal of the child from the family, due to alleged medical neglect.

    http://thefederalist.com/2019/02/12/lgbt-activists-teaching-judges-yank-kids-parents-wont-transgender/

    Is it time to start shooting yet? Asking for a friend.

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  4. Cheque d'Out says:

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  5. Liz says:

    Just thinking further, I was still insecure when he wasn’t around.
    So maybe it wasn’t hypergamy.
    He made me feel safe, happy, and good about myself.

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  6. Cheque d'Out says:

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  7. Farm Boy says:

    There sure does seem to be lots of evil springing it’s head up in the world lately

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  8. Farm Boy says:

    The Feminist Male Ally is HUGE fan of Gamergate troll and formerly relevant person Anita Sarkesian (@femfreq or Feminist Frequency) — a nigh-psychotic feminist who rants endlessly about anti-feminist “tropes” in videogames, like female characters being attractive and having breasts.

    This guy ruins a date because he can’t stop talking about feminist and gay-friendly tropes in TV shows and Anita Sarkesian’s entire oeuvre.

    Meanwhile the poor woman is like, “OMG, what a sissy drip, he’s going to start menstruating any second and then we’ll be cycle sisters.*”

    http://ace.mu.nu/archives/379755.php

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  9. Farm Boy says:

    What green can do

    At the Daily Telegraph, where I work, we discovered something was amiss when our chief of staff ordered a pizza. To her surprise, the delivery man also offered an insulation quote.

    There were only 250 registered insulation businesses in Australia when the package was announced. That number quickly blew out to 7,000 because the government was handing out free money to installers. Pizza drivers could pick up more in one insulation job than from a month’s worth of tips. They received their rebates directly from the government rather than from homeowners, who therefore had little incentive to check if the work had been done well or even at all. Some ceilings ended up with a mere handful of insulation batts thrown around. Others featured only shredded paper. Almost every insulation job went right up to the $1,600 cap, regardless of size or ceiling area.

    The insulation army worked at frantic speed, eager to cash in while they could. When the difference between five jobs done reasonably well and eight jobs done in careless haste is $4,800, a short amount of time represents a lot of money.

    Then the deaths began. Four young men were killed while installing insulation under the government’s program—three by electrocution and one from hyperthermia during the Australian summer. Dozens more workers, most of them inexperienced, suffered injuries and heat stroke.

    https://outline.com/3CZJnX

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  10. Farm Boy says:

    WASHINGTON, D.C.—The controversial Green New Deal ran into trouble early on when an FAQ of the details was placed on Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s website and then pulled down after it received scrutiny. For a while her people claimed the FAQ never existed, and when directly asked about it, Ocasio-Cortez has not answered questions, claiming not to speak English.

    “No English,” a wide-eyed Ocasio-Cortez told reporters who asked why the FAQ appeared and why it was removed from her website.

    “Why did the original FAQ say the Green New Deal would provide economic security for those ‘unwilling to work’?” persisted one reporter. “What does that have to do with the environment?”

    Ocasio-Cortez shrugged her shoulders as if she couldn’t understand and said, “Nee Jabba no badda.”

    When confronted with the fact she had been seen speaking English just moments earlier, again Ocasio-Cortez stared back as if she couldn’t comprehend and said, “Boompa kom bok nee aht am bompah.”

    This did not deter most of the reporters, one asking Ocasio-Cortez, “How much will this proposal cost?” just as she escaped down a garbage chute.

    https://babylonbee.com/news/confronted-with-details-of-green-new-deal-ocasio-cortez-claims-not-to-speak-english

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  11. Farm Boy says:

    Amazon Package

    Jeff Bezos’ girlfriend has privately acknowledged that she shared some photos and texts from the Amazon founder with several female friends, adding to the mystery of who leaked salacious material to the National Enquirer, according to a source close to the couple.

    https://www.foxnews.com/tech/bezos-girlfriend-shared-his-texts-photos-with-friends-before-enquirer-leak

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  12. Ame says:

    First of all, they are all pumped up from the outside with self-esteem. Secondly, they normally get better grades than the boys (the curriculum is slanted toward their style). Thirdly, everybody likes young girls (not just young boys). Fourth, the boys (young and older) are super interested in them, even if their appearance isn’t up to snuff by the standards of yesteryear.

    So I was considering all of this, and came up with a possibility: hypergamy. It is, after all, unleashed. There is no longer any restraint. Perhaps the typical girl shoots for what she considers the top guy, and if she fails, then she is worth nothing in her mind. Naturally enough, there are many other suitable fellas around, but they are invisible. So, top guy or I am a failure it is.

    i’m with Tarn on this one, Farm Boy.

    ~ teen girls are just out of elementary school. they have no clue who they are or what the heck is going on with their bodies, and with rare exception (imo), they haven’t a clue how their developing bodies affect boys. it wasn’t until i was married a long time that i understood some of the things that were said of/to me when i was that age by boys. they weren’t bad things, and i was NOT a loose girl, but i had no clue what they meant (they were actually compliments, but i had no idea of that, either).

    ~ it’s been proven over and over that those who have to work for something get more out of it. that girls are being given grades and preference doesn’t help them at all. it actually hurts them.

    ~ if something is the ‘norm,’ they don’t know any different. so when being given preferential treatment is their norm, they don’t know it’s preferential treatment … so they don’t understand why there would be resentment towards them.

    ~ they are definitely taught, “Girls rule; boys drool.” and they get defensive – most of the time not understanding what they’re defending or why. and add in all the crazy hormones of all teenagers …

    ~ teen girls are truly in their own little worlds, lost in their very limited – due to not having lived much – mental world. their brains do not work like boys’ brains. their thoughts do not process at all like boys’ thoughts. granted, girls are more exposed than ever before, but i’d guess that, unless they’ve personally experienced it, they don’t really know what’s going on or what things exactly mean.

    ~ true, girls will learn cause-and-effect young … actually, girls are born with the desire to attract attention, esp from men – fathers, grandfathers, uncles, brothers, etc. i remember walking into a room to pick up Oldest in PREschool and a little boy was holding her hands and gazing into her eyes! lol! a few years later his mom told me he really liked Oldest in her red sweater she wore sometimes. it was sweet … but it’s also organic. normal. and girls learn the cause and effect of their actions … that boys/men respond kind and protective and attentive. but they (in general) have no idea what that means and what a boy is thinking or experiencing when they respond to girls. …

    ~ and this is why, imo, parents need to let children be children and age-appropriate. teaching little girls to be ‘sexy’ and wear ‘hot’ bikinis and ‘sexy’ clothes and ‘sexy’ hair is not good. and that what they do. and they praise that. but that little girl who isn’t even developing yet hasn’t got a clue what that means except that people respond positively to her … and the more ‘sexy’ she is, the more positive feedback she gets. but she doesn’t understand what that means to boys.

    ~ also remember … our brains are not fully developed until we’re in our early 20’s to late 20’s, sometimes. and this is why girls NEED to be protected by their Daddys … why Ton didn’t let his Daughter go to prom … cause girls brains aren’t developed fully, they don’t think like boys, they understand they have something that causes them to be treated well and attract boys, but they’re not yet fully aware of that and what it means. shame on parents who leave their daughters unprotected and throw them out with birth control pills to fend for themselves.

    Oldest’s BFF got married last summer, and neither of her parents ever talked to her about sex. she had to look it up online. she was why i wrote a series about that on my blog which i emailed to her – and she greatly appreciated. and i also gave her and her husband a sex book for a wedding gift which she was very grateful for.

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  13. BuenaVista says:

    It’s not hypergamy. It’s too much attention.

    If you gave me a choice between being 15 again, and getting shot, I’d say, “Do I have to lift my arm?” (And I have been shot, not like the big guy, but )

    I’m getting cranky. These girls and their self-esteem issues, and all the hovering men who quiver to be close to the girls’ pain, are ruining any room or institution they enter. Suck it up and do something meaningful, buttercup.

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  14. BuenaVista says:

    This is the Heinlein that I referenced this morning, and I think it’s profound wrt what the British government is trying to do to Tommy Robinson:

    “Secrecy is the keystone to all tyranny. Not force, but secrecy and censorship. When any government or church for that matter, undertakes to say to its subjects, “This you may not read, this you must not know,” the end result is tyranny and oppression, no matter how holy the motives. Mighty little force is needed to control a man who has been hoodwinked in this fashion; contrariwise, no amount of force can control a free man, whose mind is free. No, not the rack nor the atomic bomb, not anything. You can’t conquer a free man; the most you can do is kill him.”
    ― Robert A Heinlein

    Ton, this is from the blog of the guy who wrote the USA Today essay about overt anti-male campus bias. (Glenn Reynolds, Instapundit, Professor Law, Tennessee. He’s a Yalie but has an annual guns and bourbon bash.)

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  15. BuenaVista says:

    I meant to say, above, for a lot of people whether or not they have two X chromesomes, adolescence is tough. That’s just the way it is.

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  16. Ame says:

    It’s too much attention.

    and this becomes conflicting … the girl who gets too much attention most likely doesn’t know how to handle it … but other girls who do not get much attention are jealous of that attention b/c they’re not getting it … so the girl who gets that attention then learns that this attention makes her special b/c other girls are jealous of it … but if she doesn’t know how to handle it (which she likely doesn’t) then . . .

    and it gets convoluted.

    – – –

    college was interesting for those girls who got a lot of attention in high school b/c they became just another girl in college. even those who stood out b/c of grades … or activities … or sports … were now just another one of many in college. they had to learn how to live in a ‘i’m not so special anymore’ world.

    while it breaks my heart as her Mama, we moved the summer before Oldest began middle school. in our old district, she was very popular. in our new district, she had to start all over again in middle school with a new step dad and a new step brother. she learned a LOT of hard lessons. she will tell you it’s made her a better person (*I* wish she’d never had to go thru it).

    i imagine Liz has lots of stories, too, about her boys moving every year of their lives and changing schools and friends – i cannot imagine. HUGE kudos to Liz and Mike.

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  17. I wouldn’t do 15 again, but I’d take 18 again in a heartbeat. But I get to be 18 back in 1985 again.

    Yeah, a lot of it sucked, but now I’d know what to focus on and what to blow off.

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  18. Ame says:

    along the lines of getting too much attention . . .

    it’s not like a girl can shout out, “Stop giving me attention!”

    then there are her parents who are more than likely riding her coat-tails and enjoying the ride immensely … “My beautiful daughter has boys contacting her all the time! I have to monitor how much she has access to that stuff!” … Mama isn’t lamenting that … she’s bragging.

    teens are very egocentric and have no concept of what other teens are going through … unless they are in a situation with a sibling who doesn’t get the same attention or gets more … or they have a good friend who didn’t grow into the same attention they did … or a myriad of other possibilities.

    my daughters are so much more aware of certain aspects of life than their peers because of what they’ve gone thru. i have to caution them to be kind about that b/c, while they’re thankful they have the knowledge, they wouldn’t wish how they learned much of it on anyone.

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  19. BuenaVista says:

    I can’t figure out how to publish the chart, but in this linked story you will see that the four tech oligarchs have discretionary — discretionary — capital spending IN ONE YEAR greater than the total ASSET value of legacy media. That’s called capital expenditures, or CAPEX for four companies exceeding the total value of the MSM.

    No USA pundit has even noticed, since they’re financially illiterate and work for the companies that are being obliterated. Google spent 100x more on discretionary purchases last year than Bezos paid for the Washington Post. In one year. Might explain why the little scribblers for these gasping old companies are unhinged.

    70% of Americanos get their news from social media, i.e., the four oligarchies. The tech oligarhs are now methodically shutting down internet platforms and participants that don’t conform to their political POV. So, for example, a few key words here could easily result in our going to our friendly Spawnyspace coffee shop — and getting 404’d.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/hey-big-spender-tech-cash-will-keep-flowing-11549888200?mod=searchresults&page=1&pos=1

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  20. Farm Boy says:

    teen girls are just out of elementary school. they have no clue who they are or what the heck is going on with their bodies, and with rare exception (imo), they haven’t a clue how their developing bodies affect boys

    I am not sure if I believe that. I knew lots of girls starting mainly in eighth grade who were “boy crazy”, building their whole life around attracting and doing stuff with them. At that age, I could care less about girls. Even in high school, I wasnt really that interested. Girls at that age did not impress me.

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  21. BuenaVista says:

    Bezos is paying $60B for approximately 50 fucks with a middle-aged married woman with fake tits who gossips.

    Hahahaha.

    And his wife won’t bring him back without a post-nup.

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  22. SFC Ton says:

    was very very insecure when I was a teen.
    ……
    Me too. Which is why I banged half the chicks in high school, knocked up the home coming court, banged my chemistry teacher and a chick who was a cheerleader for the university of Maryland

    Insecurity is hella crippling to a 17 year old

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  23. SFC Ton says:

    Bezos is paying $60B for approximately 50 fucks with a middle-aged married woman with fake tits who gossips.
    ……….

    A pipe hitter could fix that shit for a lot less then $60B.

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  24. SFC Ton says:

    I can’t figure out how to publish the chart
    ………

    I can’t figure out how I drank a gallon of shitty home made wine but now I am trying The Girls vodka stash with evil intent

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  25. Farm Boy says:

    Speaking of pipe fitters, as I was watching the live feed of Saturday’s Yellow Vest March, I saw a fella bashing a security camera with a piece of pipe. Onlookers cheered.

    It would seem that the surveillance state is a sore spot with them

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  26. SFC Ton says:

    adolescence is tough. That’s just the way it is.
    ……
    Which is why I fought, drank and fucked my way through it…… Actually I had a great fucking time in high school……….because of the drinking, fighting and fucking.

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  27. Farm Boy says:

    Jeff Bezos’ girlfriend has privately acknowledged that she shared some photos and texts from the Amazon founder with several female friends,

    She always had that trash vibe

    Now we know

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  28. SFC Ton says:

    Don’t know nothing about pipe fitters. Hear tell they make decent money though. I was a pipe hitters back in the day

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  29. Ame says:

    I am not sure if I believe that. I knew lots of girls starting mainly in eighth grade who were “boy crazy”, building their whole life around attracting and doing stuff with them. At that age, I care less about girls. Even in high school, I want really that interested. Girls at that age did not impress me.

    oh, there are DEFINITELY boy-crazy girls! and girls love attention!

    what i’m saying is that they don’t understand what all their wiles and ways do to boys … or how boys think … or how boys react.

    i don’t think they yet have the brain development to analytically think it all through … it’s more cause and effect. if i do A, B happens, and i like B, so i’ll do A.

    it’s why they need to be protected by their Daddys.

    or they can become one of the many Ton’s gone through and left so far behind they’re never on his mind again 🙂

    sure … some (too many) end up having such large N count they become the statistic we talk about out here all the time.

    but … what if their parents took the role of telling and teaching them the truth and then protecting them as much as possible. we can’t be there for every decision our kids make, but we can do things that will give them the best opportunities to make the best choices possible.

    if you know you’ve got a daughter who likes to live on the wild side … plant cactus and poisonous and pokey plants outside her window … check on her multiple times a night to make sure she’s in her bed ALONE … do not give her absolute autonomy over her technology … do not give her freedom to make all her own choices about everything. give her strict boundaries … check in on her frequently … know where she is and who she is with … and maintain the authority in her life … keep and use the parent-trump-card. she’ll whine and complain and might even make your life a living hell .. but she will thank you for it later.

    and by all means do NOT live vicariously thru her! be the freakin parent!

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  30. Farm Boy says:

    One of my Grandfathers was a pipefitter for a Nebraska-Iowa railroad. As a kid I was much impressed

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  31. SFC Ton says:

    LOL truth be told I have no idea what pipe fitters do. I hire welders and 2 machinists. Pretty impressed with both groups

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  32. Farm Boy says:

    Pipe fitters used to work on steam locomotives.

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  33. BuenaVista says:

    Pipefitters, shipfitters, they’re the guys with duallies, a big fifth-wheel, who arrive in town and lay down 100 miles of pipeline in 30 days. Summer or winter. Welders with no fixed address.

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  34. BuenaVista says:

    Insecurity is hella crippling to a 17 year old

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  35. BuenaVista says:

    Well, yeah. At 17 I lived in Manhattan. One night I was at friends on 96th St. I got off the subway on 14th St. Oops: No room key. Well I didn’t have enough money to make a phone call, much less get back on the subway. So I got to walk back to 96th St (80 blocks), get my key, and beg for a $20 loan. I felt very insecure.

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  36. Ame says:

    seventeen … graduated from high school … parents drove me from florida to texas for college, dropped me off, and left. i’d never been in texas before. might as well have dropped me in the middle of china! didn’t have a car. didn’t have public transportation. didn’t hear from them for a month. i was not yet 18, so i could not get a phone line in my name, so no phone calls. i knew two upper classmen from my area, but they were into their stuff. so i was alone, in a strange country (lol!), with a terrible roommate (i ditched her after a few months), and i had no way to contact my family.

    and i knew i would never do that to my own kids when i (hopefully) had them someday.

    and i haven’t.

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  37. Sumo says:

    Tarn always asserted

    Tarn was sporting DD’s.

    I miss Tarn.

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  38. SFC Ton says:

    lol I went to basic training when I was 17. Turned 18 during infantry school, a week or 2 before jumpschool started. Went home and drilled a baby into the now ex wife right after the Ranger Indoctrination Program.

    A few weeks after that I popped my cherry down in Colombia.

    Toxic masculinity is pretty much the shit

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  39. Farm Boy says:

    “Captain Marvel” star Brie Larson says she’s determined to make sure the Marvel movie’s upcoming press junket is diverse and female-led, pledging to Marie Claire UK that she will keep the tour from becoming “overwhelmingly” white or male.

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/43396/brie-larson-wont-allow-captain-marvel-media-tour-emily-zanotti

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  40. SFC Ton says:

    Sounds like she’ll keep profits away too

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  41. Farm Boy says:

    The LGBTQ Commission for the mayor of Baltimore has just fired its only lesbian member, Julia Beck, for using male pronouns while referring to a convicted male rapist who wanted to be addressed as a female. Finding such behavior disgraceful, her former LGBTQ comrades have also denounced her and purged her from their ranks.

    The male convict in question had earlier courageously declared himself a transgendered woman, for which he was cheered on by the progressive local establishment and sent to a female prison. Shortly afterwards he deployed his gender-fluid trans-penis to rape two cisgendered female inmates – a “crime” that he, a self-identified oppressed lesbian who is attracted to other women, can hardly be accused of. The real crime here, of course, was the denial of his chosen gender identity by the knuckle-dragging, close-minded, reactionary traitor to womankind, Julia Beck.

    The delusional lesbian Beck had mistakenly assumed that being a sexual minority entitled her to stating biological facts without clearing them first with the High Commissar of Pronouns and Dangling Participles. A speedy show trial found her guilty of violent transphobia and sentenced her to the status of a cis-lesbian non-person with the pronoun “it.”

    Beck was tried by the revolutionary tribunal at Baltimore Transgender Alliance (BTA), where men with penises who self-identified as lesbian women stripped her of her rank as a commanding lesbian activist and demoted her to a lowly private dyke. The verdict stated that biological sex was a thing of the past and that anyone who said otherwise was a Trump-loving Nazi.

    Instead of admitting her guilt, signing a teary confession, and doing hours of public self-criticism, the stubborn self-identified woman took a stand and engaged in despicable acts of gender terrorism and sedition, asking questions that threatened the very foundation of the trans-movement. Among other transphobic things she claimed that biological sex was an immutable fact, otherwise there would be no homosexuality.

    This dramatic development touched on the most existential issue of our time: if biological sex has no meaning, where do homosexuals come from? If gender is a matter of choice, what force causes people to be attracted to the opposite sex, or to the same sex for that matter? If sex is arbitrary, what was the fight for same-sex marriage about? Have homosexuals been doing it wrong throughout the millennia, instead of simply changing their sex for the common good?

    Most importantly, why do homosexuals bitterly cling to their biological gender? Is it time to sacrifice them to the revolution as crypto-conservatives and enemies of progress?

    Please do not try this at home. Do not attempt to switch genders or solve this conundrum without the supervision of trained experts in progressive social science who will tell you what to think, lest you share the fate of the disgraced lesbian Beck.

    DISCLAIMER

    This is not a spoof. Life has begun to imitate the People’s Cube so much that parody fades in comparison with real events. All that’s left is to tell it how it is.

    http://www.thepeoplescube.com/peoples-blog/cis-lesbian-fired-for-misgendering-a-trans-male-rapist-t20496.html

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  42. SFC Ton says:

    LOL that left eating the left shit makes me happy

    Thanks for that FB

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  43. Cheque d'Out says:

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  44. Cheque d'Out says:

    Bit deep for me, I topped out at 55m on air

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  45. Farm Boy says:

    In the past week, I’ve noticed a number of Democrats and liberal journalists refusing to concede inconvenient facts.

    No matter how many times, for instance, you quote the plain language of the Virginia or New York abortion bills, they won’t acknowledge that both legalize the procedure until the moment of birth for virtually any reason. No matter how many times you show them language in those bills that explicitly protect doctors who terminate babies who are born alive from prosecution, they shake their heads as if you’re indulging in some right-wing conspiracy theory

    https://thefederalist.com/2019/02/12/political-journalists-are-trying-to-gaslight-america/

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  46. Farm Boy says:

    Lots of good stuff here

    I get a kick out of the feminists’ love affair with the word “empowerment.” They have clever formulas for ensnaring hapless souls into their deceits. One of their slicker moves is to create a vocabulary designed to get around long-held beliefs, mores, taboos or fears. “Pro-choice” is their Newspeak euphemism for the casual murder of a human being; “Dreamers” means illegal immigrants; “Progressives” denotes a group dragging us back to the cave; “Sanctuary City” means a place where no actual U.S. citizen is safe. This “empowerment” thing makes me especially crazy.

    In 1969 I attended consciousness-raising sessions in New York City with my sister, Kate, where a group of 10-15 women sat around a long oval table and plotted the New Feminist Movement and the founding of NOW. Their template was Mao’s China and the group confessionals conducted in each village in order to “cleanse the people’s thinking.” The burning objective of Kate’s “consciousness-raising” was “the destruction of the American family,” as she deemed it “a patriarchal institution devoted to the oppression and enslavement of women and children.”

    https://eagleforum.org/publications/efr/jan19/my-sister-kate.html

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  47. Farm Boy says:

    Star Trek gives a mansplainer the “expendable crewmember” treatment

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  48. Jeff Bezos’ girlfriend has privately acknowledged that she shared some photos and texts from the Amazon founder with several female friends,

    I’m a wondering if that dumb whore just didn’t cost herself several billion dollars… Or is Jeffy so in wuv with that idiot he’s willing to forgive anything snookums does?

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  49. Liz says:

    Ame, sounds like you and I had similar experiences our first year in college.

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  50. Liz says:

    Just to add (for clarity): I was 17 too. I was dropped off too.
    I was the first in the family to attend college. Think my dad expected it to be like the military. I didn’t even go to orientation.

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  51. Liz says:

    Per moves and boys….Ame, it was hard but I think having girls is a lot harder. Really, having boys is a breeze by comparison. Or maybe I got lucky. A friend at the last assignment had three boys and a girl and we had this conversation. She said her daughter was more worry, money, work than the three boys combined, which I believe. They’d moved almost as often as we had.

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  52. Liz says:

    I should add, she was a really good girl, too. And stunning.
    They’d had four kids in three years, it was a really close family.
    She really gave them no extra problems, it’s just hard raising girls.

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  53. Liz says:

    It’s really difficult to remember my BM (before Mike) years, for the most part.
    Girls were very very mean. Female teachers were mean.
    And people stared at me all the time.

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  54. Teen girls and self esteem… not sure where to even begin there. And of course it varies with the girl. My oldest is now a teen. She seems to very secure in herself. She doesn’t care about being popular. Or boys (so far anyway, the teen years are young!) she cares about photography and art and animals. She’s a lot more sure in herself than I was at her age (in a quiet way not a boastful way.) It makes me happy. I hope the trend continues.

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  55. Ame says:

    just saw this on fb:

    Happy Valentine’s Day!
    Bring ur GF: 20% off.
    Bring ur Wife: 45% off.
    Bring both at the same time: FREE

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  56. “Girls were very very mean. Female teachers were mean.
    And people stared at me all the time.”

    Yep pretty much how I remember it too.

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  57. And she still wants to hang out w her mom. Sniff! :’)

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  58. Farm Boy says:

    Liz,

    Guys see the “mean girls” thing, but don’t really get it. Perhaps you could write a guest post on the topic

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  59. Ame says:

    Female teachers were mean.

    for both my girls, but Oldest especially experienced this. i think those teachers were jealous of her – she was prettier and didn’t kow-tow to them. she is REALLY thankful for online college.

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  60. Ame says:

    Bloom – SO glad to hear this! she’s got you. you are IN her life. it makes such a huge difference! GREAT JOB, MAMA!!!

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  61. Ame says:

    i miss Tarn, too 😦

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  62. Ame says:

    on girls being mean – i noticed that really kicking in in third grade with my daughters. those girls can be really mean. it just continues from there.

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  63. Ame says:

    And she still wants to hang out w her mom. Sniff! :’)

    that will probably continue, Bloom. there will be some bumps along the way, but overall, keep her close. continue to let her know you are her safe place – strong, consistent, and that she is always loved and wanted, which i know you’ll do. i’m so happy for you – it’s amazing, isn’t it 🙂

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  64. I would agree w same most young women are not at all aware of themselves enough to realize they hold any cards. So while from the outside it may be perplexing, it’s even more so in a rapidly changing body with hormones all over the place. (Not sex drive hormones, I mean emotional hormones.) It can be a very confusing time. Even if a girl is aware of the cards they have they have no idea how to play their hand well, in most cases.

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  65. Agree w Ame, not same. Lol.

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  66. I hope both my girls meet a Mike young and are married for life to someone who makes them feel safe, happy, and good about themself! ❤️

    And who are strong and helpful and don’t mind mowing their mil’s lawn! Lol. (When I say mow most people have no idea, it’s hours of mowing, not a typical yard.)

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  67. No offense Ton but I hope my girls don’t end up one of many w a young Ton. Lol. I’ll be chasing them off w my broom!

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  68. Liz says:

    I hope so too, Bloom! 🙂

    Guys see the “mean girls” thing, but don’t really get it. Perhaps you could write a guest post on the topic”

    Heh, thanks Farmboy…but it’s a very dark time to go back to. Not sure I have the strength. 😆
    I’ll noodle on it a bit.

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  69. Not to mention young girls today have had their heads filled from all sides w pretty much the opposite of good advice.

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  70. To clarify I mean one of many plowed thru by a young Ton. I am sure Ton was every mom in towns worst nightmare (or maybe he was plowing the moms too! Lol) anyway don’t take it the wrong way! 😉

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  71. Liz says:

    I can’t imagine what it’s like to raise girls in the time of social media.
    Friend of mine (one with two boys and a girl) mentioned an anecdote a while back.
    Her daughter got a text from a friend who asked, “What do you think about Holly?”
    She sent back something like, “she’s nice” so the questions became more probing. “But don’t you think…?” Of course it was a group of girls texting her, trying to see what she’d say and Holly was there with them.
    In my time, girls would fabricate stories and spread them. Who knows why, “Liz said she doesn’t like you…” Weird stuff. Since I was always shy and didn’t have a social life it took me forever to find out.
    Not all girls like to be the center of attention. I just wanted to be left alone.

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  72. As my friend put it about her daughter and Facebook, “it used to be over when the school day ended. Whatever the drama of the day was. Now it keeps going… and it’s there forever…”

    I am glad I did not grow up in the age of social media.

    Don’t get me wrong there are still mean girls even at my age. Heck I met a group just the other night, at a biz thing where I was representing my biz. The perfectly coiffed trio slithered up, dripping in fake nicey-nice. I could feel my skin crawling! They may have been pretty on the surface but inside I guarantee they were ugly and mean and small. Of course I played it off but I only did so because I had to, I can’t imagine actually seeking such girls out as “friends.” No thanks!

    Like Liz, I pretty much stick to myself. I don’t get the girl game thing. Don’t want to get it.

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  73. (The one girl plans to get into the same biz I am in, so my guess was they perceived me as “the enemy.” Yay looking forward to working with her! Not. She made sure to say how her husband bought her a $500,000 piece of land just so she could do it. And on and on how much they are spending. Yay you. Whatever. Pffft! (Drink!) Lol. It was truly hard to keep a straight face. But I was nice.

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  74. Imagine three bitchy trophy wives, basically. Blech.

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  75. Liz says:

    The reason stories about psycho women make such compelling fiction…
    they’re so easy to believe.

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  76. Liz says:

    For a guy villain to make a believable read there has to be a clear and compelling motive, which requires a more complex background a plot line. A crazy bitch can just be a crazy bitch.
    (example: Gone Girl)

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  77. Larry G says:

    LOL! “A crazy bitch can just be a crazy bitch.”

    absolutely nothing to add to that statement, but I’m stealing it to put om next years Christmas cards (all three of them).

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  78. Lol Liz so true. The gal is a stay at home mom of five kids. Early 30s is my guess. I found myself wondering 1. How does a mom w five young kids have time for perfect hair, makeup, and clothes? 2. How is she going to run a biz with five young kids? The story idea about five kids locked in a closet by their evil but perfectly coiffed mom practically wrote itself! Shiver!

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  79. Ok now I am sounding like a mean girl so I will stop. Shhhhh. Lol!

    Truly though — something is way off there. Not looking forward to learning more. Hopefully she gives up on the idea? Dare to dream.

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  80. Farm Boy says:

    Got that? White privilege doesn’t describe a reality. It tells people how to behave.

    Let’s be more specific. It tells white people how to behave, their first obligation being to acknowledge their own responsibility for injustice and inequality. When someone talks about white privilege, he doesn’t burden blacks, Hispanics, or Asians with changing their ways. Only whites are affected. The moment someone utters “white privilege,” it sets all the white people in the room on the defensive. Only when whites join in the attribution of white privilege, especially to themselves in a kind of show-trial or struggle-session confession, do they regain some integrity.

    That’s the real meaning of “white privilege”—not to signify a social and historical condition, but to control a situation. You can see that in Dyson’s refusal to answer Peterson’s request for specifics. If Dyson said something like, “You owe 20 percent of your wealth to white privilege, and you should donate it to black churches, black colleges, and the NAACP,” Peterson would be able to engage the numbers and question the advice. He would have a ground on which to argue a case. He would no longer be on the defensive. Better for Dyson and other white-privilege talkers to remain vague and tell whites that they must “grapple” with freedom and inequality—which is another fuzzy injunction that leaves even agreeable whites guessing, “Uh, what does that mean?”

    https://amgreatness.com/2019/02/12/white-privilege-doesnt-mean-anything-and-thats-the-point/

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  81. Farm Boy says:

    After fretting about whether she’d be able to afford rent, Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D., N.Y.) has moved into a luxury apartment building in the District of Columbia’s Navy Yard neighborhood, the Washington Free Beacon has learned.

    Ocasio-Cortez, a member of the Democratic Socialists of America, got a big raise with her election to Congress, a job that comes with a $174,000 annual salary. She told the New York Times she was concerned about how she would get an apartment before that salary kicked in.

    She ended up moving into a luxury apartment building with a wide array of amenities where rent for even a studio apartment exceeds $2,000 a month.

    https://freebeacon.com/politics/ocasio-cortez-living-in-luxury-navy-yard-apartment-building/

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  82. Farm Boy says:

    When I was in high school, I tried to fly under the radar. As an introvert, this was natural.

    I was once seated in front of this not so attractive girl in literature class. She out of nowhere stated berating me about how I wasn’t as intelligent as I thought. Since I normally said nothing to anyone, I am not sure where she got that idea. I did get good grades. I am sure that info made its way around.

    Anyway, she couldn’t shut up about how she was going to go to college at the premier journalism school at the University of Missouri. And how great she was going to be.

    Probably she was already engaging in “afflict the comfortable and comfort the afflicted” thing. Except I wasn’t particularly comfortable, I just wanted to be left alone.

    Probably girls were mean to her, so she was mean to everyone that she didn’t consider to be some type of victim.

    People like her are one reason people hate the press

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  83. Farm Boy says:

    Perhaps I should have said to her, “You are not as moral as you think you are.” I know that I thought it at the time. Sometimes I am too nice

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  84. Farm Boy says:

    I also wondered how she was going to be a journalist, who are supposed to listen to what sources say. She never shut up, so I wondered how that would turn out

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  85. Farm Boy says:

    “I don’t understand how you’re going to give a job for everybody, how you’re going to give free college to everybody, how you’re going to create clean energy throughout the country in every building of the land,” said Schultz. “I think it’s immoral to suggest that we can tally up $20, $30, $40, $50 trillion of debt to solve a problem that could be solved in a different way.”

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/43412/starbucks-schultz-points-out-some-big-problems-james-barrett

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  86. Farm Boy says:

    RPG,

    Did you explain to your daughter how this “mean girls” thing works? If so, what did you say?

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  87. Farm Boy says:

    So, no. Trump didn’t get it wrong. Rupar did. And Gibson’s tweet amplified Rupar’s lie. You know who else helped spread this lie? Maggie Haberman, the Pulitzer Prize winning journalist for the New York Times.

    This isn’t the first time I’ve seen members of the media falsely suggest Trump lied about Northam’s abortion comments.

    So. many. journalists keep spreading this misinformation. And yet the national media wonders why we don’t trust them?

    https://www.redstate.com/sister-toldjah/2019/02/13/fail-wapo-vox-journos-get-northam-abortion-position-wrong-accuse-trump-inciting-violence/

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  88. Farm Boy says:

    It used to be that the media’s “shaded” stories toward their desired narrative. Additionally, there was the “leave out facts we don’t like” and “not cover stories that don’t advance the narrative” schemes.

    But it seems that they have graduated into outright lying

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  89. @FB

    “Got that? White privilege doesn’t describe a reality. It tells people how to behave.”

    That’s also a great way to debunk it in a fell swoop if talking to SJWs and a great way to educate normies who struggle with falsely imposed “guilt”.

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  90. Ame says:

    i shared this with Oldest, and she agreed that teen girls are extremely insecure and focused so much on that that they are unaware of anything but themselves. that … and wondering when their period will start and if they’ll be prepared or if it’ll happen and they won’t know and then they’ll have blood on the seat of their pants and they’ll be mortified so they make sure they always have ‘supplies’ buried in their purse of backpack and a jacket to tie around their waist to cover their butt just-in-case. it’s a very real, terrifying fear.

    i think teen brains just can’t think beyond themselves. it’s like all these bubbles of life coexisting in the same space but the real life going on inside each bubble is very self-contained and not shared.

    – – –

    there is this idea that parents are needed less as children get older, and, imo, nothing could be further from the truth. kids get into elementary school, and mom goes back to work full-time, and her kids not have to compete with her career for attention of any kind. and these kids KNOW mom is not available (i know b/c i chaperoned many field trips when my girls were in middle school). kids need to know a parent is always there for them. always. they need to know mom and/or dad have their back and will be there if they call. and they need to know mom and/or dad will kick their butt if they get out-of-line – both are equally necessary.

    most parents raise their kids to leave – and we do need to push them out of the nest, but i think we need to be particularly careful about this with girls. girls need the protection of their parents. their brains are NOT fully developed at 18. they might legally be an adult by their minds are still childish in many ways b/c their brains are not developed enough to thing through everything.

    i’ve known parents who kick their daughters out (oops – send them away to college) and then re-do their bedrooms. it sends the message the daughter is no longer welcome at home … she has lost her safe foundation and security and protection.

    also … and this is a shocker to mainstream public education … but each person develops at a different rate. i know … you’re now overwhelmed (lol). there’s this focus on ‘girls develop before boys,’ and in some areas that’s true … but being capable of surviving well and successfully on their own is not one of them.

    parents … protect your daughters. even when they push against you, protect them. they need our protection. they need us to be IN their lives. the need Dads like Ton who stand up to them and tell them they are NOT going to their senior prom.

    – – –

    i love my brother, and he is crazy successful – works hard about 3/4 of the year and plays hard the rest, traveling all over the world doing who knows what. he has a daughter who is about 23 (i don’t know her, so i can never remember). she wanted to get into modeling, so she would put pics of her photo shoots up on facebook all the time. the chick was dressed like a slut with overdone makeup and forced sexy facial expressions. but her casual pics with her friends were stunning. after several years i noticed the change … the forced sexy facial expressions were no longer forced … meaning she now had enough experience (read: rising N count) to be natural. broke my heart. but i’m sure my brother thinks it’s awesome 😦 .

    all this ‘go girl’ of feminism … ‘girls are better’ … ‘girls can do anything boys can do’ … has resulted in parents taking off their protection of their daughters so mom can go back to work or continue to work and build her career, leaving the daughters fumbling along in their teen years trying to figure out how to make this thing called life work.

    there’s no parent-report-line anymore … you know … the one when girl knew if any adult saw her acting like xyz her Mama would know before she got home from school. that’s gone. take away the restrictions, the boundaries, and she doesn’t know how to stop or where to stop.

    it’s a vicious circle.

    parents … know your kids. be IN their lives. talk to them every day. talk to their teachers. get to know their friends and their friends parents. be intentional. be willing to quit your job if you need to for your kid(s). you only get one shot at this, so do what you have to do to get it as right as possible.

    i know Liz jokes that she’s lazy … but all three of her boys and Mike know she’s available 24/7. if they call, she’s there. she doesn’t have to clear it with a boss … she doesn’t have to fly back home … she’s already there. if they get sick, she’s there. there is so much powerful security in that.

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  91. Cheque d'Out says:

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  92. Cheque d'Out says:

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  93. Ame says:

    had Oldest read this:

    “You left off one thing, Mom.”

    “What’s that?”

    “Fear.”

    “Fear of what?”

    “Fear of Rejection … of your friends, your family, your classmates, your teachers, boys, whoever happens to follow your social media or whoever you want to follow your social media (so basically the world), and you constantly feel like you’re being targeted by the world for rejection. And if you say possibly the not greatest thing to the wrong person, and they take it the wrong way, they can destroy you socially, and that’s mortifying. So you go with the flow and you do what you can to not have people laugh at you or make fun of you because you possibly, maybe said the wrong thing, once. And girls hold onto grudges, so say the wrong thing even once, and you’re screwed for life – or at least that’s how you see it at that age. Because of all that, when you have all that going on in your head, how can you begin to pay attention to anything else going on around you. How can you possibly start to pay attention to the mindset of your own gender much less the mind of guys. You’re completely spent on not being rejected, so there’s nothing left. Fear is prevalent. It doesn’t go away. It just sticks.”

    – – –

    for the record – neither of my girls have any social media accts, but everyone they know does.

    it really is scary how quickly anyone can be destroyed these days.

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  94. SFC Ton says:

    How can anyone be supirsed? It ain’t like wages have kept up with inflation or the price of cars, housing and the like.

    These people are either lairs or stupid

    https://amp.businessinsider.com/auto-loan-delinquency-number-record-new-york-fed-2019-2

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  95. Ame says:

    i don’t know who this guy is, but someone posted it on fb … and i think the idea of everyone having to pay their taxes on election day so they know exactly what consequences their vote choice was … is brilliant 🙂

    Leland Conway
    2 hrs ·
    ‪To those of you complaining about getting a smaller tax refund this year, suck it up and learn some basic economics. The government is giving you less back because they took less. Also, there should be no withholding- everyone should have to pay their taxes on Election Day so they know exactly what the consequences of their vote choices will be.

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  96. Ame says:

    picked Little Girl up from school today … she got in the car:

    “Tomorrow is Mush Day!”

    apparently … and thankfully … boyfriends/dating/anything related … is still gross! she has friends who are boys … but not boyfriends. YAY!

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  97. Ame says:

    things that get funnier the longer you think about them:

    “Children left unattended will be given a Red Bull and a Free Puppy”

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  98. Ame says:

    it’s crazy the price of cars … housing … food. absolutely crazy. i know our income hasn’t kept up with the soaring costs of those things.

    has Trump addressed these rising costs at all?

    has anyone advocated for lowering the cost of food?

    i’ve watched how realtors have continued to push up the price of housing in our area … not sure we could afford to buy right now if we didn’t already have a house. and rent isn’t any less expensive for a box sharing thin walls with unknown neighbors.

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  99. Farm Boy says:

    Alexandria Donkey-Chompers’ Policy Adviser Declares That The New Socialist Utopia Won’t Be Paying for Reconstructive Surgery for the Elderly, Then Deletes It

    http://ace.mu.nu/archives/379770.php

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  100. Farm Boy says:

    But what particularly caught Cotton’s eye was how the media became complicit in hiding the now-infamous FAQ document circulated by the Ocasio-Cortez office, which included lines such as promising a job to “all people of the United States” – including those “unwilling to work” – and making air travel industry obsolete.

    “I understand the Democrats that proposed this immediately tried to retract that white paper that went along with their resolution,” Cotton added. “And too many people in the media have been complicit in the Stalin-like or 1984 technique of disappearing it, sending it down the memory hole.”

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/sen-cotton-unloads-on-aocs-green-new-deal-says-media-helped-to-cover-up-most-radical-parts-of-proposal

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  101. Farm Boy says:

    PLANO, TX—Toyota USA has announced that the latest model of the Prius will come with a brand new warning light installed in the dashboard. Every 3,000 miles, drivers will be prompted to check their privilege. “We believe this warning light will be another great feature that makes Prius drivers feel superior to other people,” said Toyota Executive of Marketing Sabrina Dwyer.

    After the Check Privilege light comes on, drivers will need to stop by their nearest affiliate privilege-checking center to get their privilege certified and processed. Once a driver has been approved as having sufficiently checked their privilege, the light will be turned off using a unique code only university-certified privilege specialists are allowed access to. Once disabled, the light will come back on in another 3,000 miles to make sure the car never runs too long without the driver’s privilege freshly in check.

    However, if the driver does not check their privilege, the car’s dashboard will chime incessantly until the problem is addressed. If the driver attempts to drive more than 30 more miles without checking their privilege, the car will automatically drive them into a pit of spikes which have been installed beneath the streets in most major cities in the last year

    https://babylonbee.com/news/new-toyota-prius-will-remind-you-to-check-your-privilege-every-3000-miles

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  102. earl says:

    ‘ Is it unleashed hypergamy, or something else?’

    Could be…or it could be that their body is going through all sorts of hormonal swings they don’t know how to handle it yet.

    Not sure if it could also have to do with the fact they want to control everything but often can’t….or if that’s only reserved to women as they get older.

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  103. SFC Ton says:

    I got lucky on the Camp Ton timing. Technically I can afford new water front places here but be damned if I want to. Not to mention the over crowding with the more terrorist friendly places.

    I’ll miss what this place use to be and I’ll enjoy my one week a month here but I hear the mountains and the runs calling louder near on every day

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  104. Cheque d'Out says:

    Donkey-Chompers’ plan has caught the attention of our mongs too.

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  105. Cheque d'Out says:

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  107. Sumo says:

    For the patriarch:

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  108. Farm Boy says:

    BURBANK, CA—In an exciting new trailer for the long-awaited sequel to Disney’s smash hit animated film Frozen, the company revealed that the new movie will simply be four hours of the song “Let It Go” from the first film.

    “Parents and kids alike will love coming to the theatre and hearing ‘Let It Go’ repeated in a loop over 60 times,” said a company spokesperson. “It will simply be a magical time for all involved.”

    Excitement broke out across the internet as people realized they would get to listen to “Let It Go” dozens of times in the theatre once again.

    “I’m definitely seeing it day one,” said a mother and self-described “Disney nut” in Connecticut. “I mean, sure, I’ve already heard the song 32,465 times since the first movie came out, but to see it repeated over and over in the theatres is just a dream come true for me.”

    https://babylonbee.com/news/disney-confirms-frozen-2-will-just-be-let-it-go-on-a-loop-for-4-hours

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  109. BuenaVista says:

    I haven’t reviewed the entire thread, so ooopsie if I’m redundant.

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  110. BuenaVista says:

    Really sorry about that. Feel free to delete, FB.

    By all accounts, Yeager can be an insufferable asshole but he came out of the hollers (WVA), got into the cockpit without an education after being the guy on the ground who could fix anything, was a WWII ace, and of course solved or survived boundary condition control reversal to break Mach 1. He’s the old eccentric man wandering around the bar in The Right Stuff (no lines).

    [I had coffee a couple of times in the quonset hut at Leesburg Airport with Scotty Crossfield, Yeager’s polar opposite: methodical, a brilliant engineer, disciplined. Crossfield did a lot more over time than Yeager, at Edwards, but he wasn’t first, was he. Crossfield was a nice guy to a dopey exec learning acro.]

    Yeager is your basic hillbilly stick-and-rudder man. He keeps on tickin’.

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  111. BuenaVista says:

    Had a good conversation with my Delta captain friend today. We were talking about the Lion Air disaster (Malaysia) and I asked her why in the world the pilots didn’t just flip off the autopilot that was in the process of killing them and hand fly the plane. “Because they can’t fly without a computer.” I imagine Yeager struggled to fly *with* a computer.

    Before we get smug about it, she’s been criticized by colleagues for hand-flying below 5,000′. And those are ex-military guys. She described one remarkable experience in the sim with an ex-C-130 pilot who twice pulled into the stall (i.e., in a staged emergency, i.e., flew the plane up until the wing stopped flying).

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  112. Liz says:

    Swithy, whatever we did to make you post that awful photo of the naked reMinger (again), I apologize.
    PROFUSELY!

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  113. Liz says:

    It is amazing that Yeager has lived so long.
    I don’t know if I told the story before, but my Dad took over one of his squadrons.
    Mom knew him too…he drove a jeep through the wall at the Officer’s club at Aviano where she worked (this according to her, which is always suspect…but sometimes she tells the truth and I don’t know why she’d fabricate that one).
    Anyway, he was a really big drinker.

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  114. Is that Steve Brannon coming out of The Who ha? In any case disturbing. But she looks pretty pleased w herself. Yay attention!!!!

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  115. @ame I get the sentiment but lowering the cost of food is not a solution. Food is already drastically under the real cost of production, with the farmers usually bearing the brunt of that. Buy local! Your sustainable food supply depends on local ag! (Ok enough of the soap box.)

    Govt. price fixing is usually a bad deal in general. Sounds good. Works bad.

    Now regulating banking…. that may be an area to work on! Shhhh… but w most mortgages only $80 of every $1000 is actually going toward what you owe. Yep! Pay $80 extra a month and you’ll save yourself $920 down the road and be done w that mortgage years early! But property taxes? No. (Actually another area to examine… do we really need all this expensive govt. that only grows but never shrinks? Could we make do w less? Shhhhh….)

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  116. Ame says:

    i love buying local, Bloom, and would not want to short the farmers. someone in the middle is making a heck of a lot of money off someone, and we’re footing the bill. it’s crazy how much the cost of groceries has gone up 😦

    i understand that those who try to grow organic foods are required to go thru all sorts of legal stuff (read: pay govt lots of money) that non-organic farmers are not required.

    idk all the legal stuff going on or whose pockets are being lined, but someone’s are, and the consumers are paying for it 😦

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  117. The food supply is controlled by a scary small group of companies. I am sure they are doing well. I’d have to look at the stat again but it’s scary how these few companies produce or middle man literally almost everything in your grocery store. The power they have to cut off that supply? Scary. Ask Ton. How many places buy form chicken farmers, as in nationwide? Three? Four? Or have they consolidated again? You have chickens to sell? You have market A or B, maybe C. I bet they all pay the same lowball pricing. Race to the bottom – yay!

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  118. Raise your own if you can. At least know how. Start growing food as a hobby. Learn to preserve it. That knowledge may come in very handy someday. If not, it’s still better than store bought! And a fun thing to do. Especially when your survival doesn’t depend on it.

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  119. I know Laura Ingalls has fallen from fashion as of late but those books describe many once commonly known skills many today would not have a clue. Make butter? Candles? Soap? Yep it’s all there. Probably better sources than that of course but having a few such books on hand in case the inter webs ain’t there when you need it (or power, or gas, or xyz) May come in mighty valuable. And it’s interesting too. I think. Homesteaders were off grid before off grid was cool.

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  120. And like truly off grid not “off grid but let me run to REI quick” off grid.

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  121. Cheque d'Out says:

    Festive greetings everyone

    (That’s puritan Oliver Cromwell on the left and the prime victim of his radical height reduction scheme, King Charles I, on the right)

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  122. Cheque d'Out says:

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  123. Farm Boy says:

    Los Angeles has a law forbidding employers from asking a prospective employee about any criminal history, but will now demand to know if any potential contractors are card-carrying NRA members. https://t.co/4fsJ2QJqe1

    — Cam Edwards (@CamEdwards) February 13, 2019
    What other things should the government be able to do, if the elected officials and bureaucracy do not approve of your political beliefs and life choices? Should you be denied a driver’s license? Utilities for your house? Medical care? Denied entry to a grocery store for food?

    https://pjmedia.com/trending/if-you-want-to-do-business-with-los-angeles-youll-need-to-disclose-any-ties-to-the-nra/

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  124. Happy Valentines!!!!!!
    💞💕❤️💕💞

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  125. “What other things should the government be able to do, if the elected officials and bureaucracy do not approve of your political beliefs and life choices? Should you be denied a driver’s license? Utilities for your house? Medical care? Denied entry to a grocery store for food?”

    When did this become China? Or Russia? Unbelievable!!!!

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  126. I know maybe you could have a govt. issued score, like a credit score but about your whole life!?!? Oh wait… no that’s China….

    Confusing! The lines are getting so blurry. The snake is starting to eat it’s own tail! Gah.

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  127. Liz says:

    A few years back (think I was posting in the sphere then, and mentioned it), there was a case (details are fuzzy now) where a man killed a woman and buried her body somewhere far away. The cops were on to him pretty quickly, and the media mentioned how they’d found him. He’d gone to a couple of public libraries and done searches….one was for a map of the area he’d buried her, and another (at a different library) was for the rate a decomposition of a body. I think the purpose of the article was to convey how awesome that detective work. And it was impressive…but there’s a price to pay for that level of security surveillance.
    Then there was the Boston marathon bombers…how quickly did they catch them?
    Almost instantly. Because there are cameras everywhere.
    Again, great job and all but it doesn’t take a whole lot of imagination to consider how this could be used to enforce compliance in all things.

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  128. Cheque d'Out says:

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  129. Cheque d'Out says:

    Fake news?

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  130. Cheque d'Out says:

    Just keeping people in the loop

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  131. Farm Boy says:

    The Processing Whiteness group at Williams College provides opportunities to analyze and understand white identity, white privilege and racism in a supportive environment that focuses on the experiences of the participants. The group will help participants learn to speak about the historical and contemporary implications of white identity, examine race and racism, identify implicit bias and feelings of shame and explore and practice allyship and interrupting racism.

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/43452/massachusetts-college-offers-workshop-faculty-and-hank-berrien

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  132. Farm Boy says:

    What do these goals have to do with stabilizing atmospheric carbon levels before climate change makes large parts of the world uninhabitable? What has taken liberal critics aback is that the Green New Deal strays so far from the traditional environmental emphasis on controlling pollution, which the carbon tax aims to do, and tries to solve the problems of economic inequality, poverty and even corporate concentration (there’s an antimonopoly clause).
    But this everything-and-the-carbon-sink strategy is actually a feature of the approach, not a bug, and not only for reasons of ideological branding. In the 21st century, environmental policy is economic policy. Keeping the two separate isn’t a feat of intellectual discipline. It’s an anachronism.

    https://outline.com/Jvwnex

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  133. Farm Boy says:

    The high profile of AOC is the premier example of this lapse in political judgment and blind hubris. Sure, she’s young and “hip,” as the bougie techno-dorks define that term. She’s got a lot of idealistic pep, an emotion prized by those who think enthusiasm and idealism are more important than coherent ideas, philosophical integrity, moral probity, and practical wisdom. And most important for the diversicrat left, she’s a “Latina,” one of those “people of color” who usually on closer inspection turn out to be indistinguishable from a white person of similar education and socio-economic privilege. Not many farmworkers or maids grow up, as AOC did, with a nickname like “Sandy.” She’s what Thomas Sowell calls a “mascot” for white progressives for whom “diversity” is only skin-deep.

    Unfortunately, Ocasio-Cortez is, to put it politely, woefully misinformed. Her manifest ignorance is so egregious that it’s easy to believe her policy positions like the Green New Deal are parodies of progressivism, and AOL herself is a Republican Manchurian Candidate whose aim is to discredit the Democrats with contemptuous laughter. Her “Green New Deal” has already been exposed, its violation of the laws not just of economics but of physics, laid bare. It’s a preposterous wish-list redolent of commie Woody Guthrie’s “Big Rock Candy Mountain,” where “handouts grow on bushes,” just like the Green New Deal’s promise to “pay people unwilling to work.” And it’s equally ignorant of the real-world limits that keep the utopian “pie” forever in the “sky.”

    https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/272842/democrats-dangerous-gong-show-bruce-thornton

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  134. Farm Boy says:

    Or, as the report itself puts it at one point, “the use of exclusionary admissions screens . . . which judge . . . kids on behavior, test scores, and other biased metrics, is the biggest contributor to . . . segregation.” Get rid of “biased metrics,” in other words, and— presto—the problem is solved. But good luck educating children in an environment where behavior and other quantifiable performance standards are deemed an objective impediment to progress.

    https://www.city-journal.org/de-blasio-school-integration-task-force

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  135. Liz says:

    OT, related to Trump and illegal immigrants.
    ICE arrests of illegal workers, employers up 700 percent in 2018:

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/ice-arrests-of-illegal-workers-employers-up-700-percent-in-2018

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  136. Farm Boy says:

    “I first began hearing from distraught parents in this situation in 2016 and in 2017, I heard from seven families in as many different states in this situation. In all but one case the child was a 15 year-old girl who never had any sexual identity confusion prior to her parent’s divorce,” Cretella said. “The other case involved 4-year-old triplet boys whose mother desperately wanted a girl. The mother was a psychologist herself and had cross-dressed one of the boys for two years, insisting that it was his idea. In each of the seven cases the guardian ad litems and judges removed the right to medical consent and/or custody from the parent who objected to transition with puberty blockers and hormones.”

    http://thefederalist.com/2019/02/12/lgbt-activists-teaching-judges-yank-kids-parents-wont-transgender/

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  137. Farm Boy says:

    Or perhaps there is a third way, a more enlightened way. Where you not only embrace your inner male feminist but you raise the ante and double down, taking it to places that it was never intended or ever imagined to go. After all, women might have invented feminism but we all know that if something needs doing properly then it will have to be a man that goes out and does it.

    https://pushingrubberdownhill.com/2019/02/14/be-the-best-feminist-male-ally-that-you-can-be/

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  138. Cheque d'Out says:

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  139. Cheque d'Out says:

    Veteran dies with little or no family, people turn up. Seeing a few of these.

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  140. Liz says:

    https://www.stripes.com/former-air-force-tech-sergeant-who-served-10-years-charged-with-spying-for-iran-1.568563

    It would really be cool…is if we’d assassinate this bitch.
    Just a small public service announcement.
    Trump, “Although it is always a tragedy when we lose a US citizen on foreign soil…”

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  141. Cheque d'Out says:

    Just what I really wanted

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  142. Cheque d'Out says:

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  143. BuenaVista says:

    The USAF traitor story doesn’t add up, given her age, modest experience, the age of the claims, the clearance required to burn the actors and intel she is purported to have burned. Even I can’t believe the AF is that deficient.

    She was just a grunt translator with no experience or education. Perhaps she was able to steal a couple of files and sell them but this story — as written — makes no sense.

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  144. BuenaVista says:

    Tommy fucked up big-time. More importantly, he’s on the edge emotionally.

    Hope he can find his reserves and get through the next 10 days.

    I’m bummed because he alerted the govt and his enemies, and now they will take action.

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  145. Cheque d'Out says:

    Speculative…

    Apparently a multiple announcement at 8pm.
    TMay is going to announce she is a control freak with autistic tendency.
    Chukky the Malteser will flounce out of the closet and a announce a new comedy club.
    Soubry to announce something, can’t remember what, but she is very angry.
    Nimo says she’s a man and is very surprised.
    Kinnock junior and lots more are very confused.
    The Labour ladies are going to Europe if somebody can tell them where it is.
    Lammy and Abott announce they are off to KFC for a free lunch.

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  146. Cheque d'Out says:

    BV welcome to my world. There’s so much bullshit that I tend to ignore it all. Just waiting for the bloke on the horse to ride by.

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  147. BuenaVista says:

    Regarding surveillance capitalism: Amazon now provides law enforcement access to customer video files.

    Enjoy your Alexa, or not.

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  148. Cheque d'Out says:

    Who says that romance is dead?

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  149. Cheque d'Out says:

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  150. Cill says:

    In more advanced climes valentines day must have been the day before yesterday. Am i right? Today is 15th feb.

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  151. Cheque d'Out says:

    Nearly with you

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  152. Farm Boy says:

    VICTORY? Elated AOC tweets ‘anything is possible’ after Amazon scraps plan for new HQ & thousands of jobs in NY

    https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2019/02/14/victory-elated-aoc-tweets-anything-is-possible-after-amazon-scraps-plan-for-new-hq-thousands-of-jobs-in-ny/

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  153. SFC Ton says:

    Yup Tommy fucked up. The whole point in smashing someone in the face with a set of brass knuckles is not to let them see it coming.

    Saying I am going to punch you gives them a chance to defend and counter punch. Ie is fucking stupid.

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  154. Farm Boy says:

    U.S.—Conservatives across the nation have been accused of “pouncing” and “seizing on” weaknesses in liberals’ policy positions for simply reading a list of the things liberals actually believe without changing the content or commenting on it in any way.

    “Conservatives are really trying to make us look bad here,” said Senator Chuck Schumer. “By simply reading a list of the policy positions we actually hold, they’re trying to paint us as crazy, far-left politicians with unhinged ideas.”

    President Trump was recently criticized for pretty much stating exactly what Democrats said in their own words about infanticide, a move that was widely panned by the left as a “hit job.” This “dirty trick” of telling people what the left actually believes has prompted liberals to take action against these kinds of smears.

    Senator Kamala Harris quickly proposed new legislation that would bar conservatives from smearing Democrats by simply communicating the exact positions they hold. The “Anti-Pounce Act of 2019” would provide for a fine and jail time for anyone on the right who accurately depicts the things that Democrats believe. The legislation would include language stating that even if Democrats are caught on video or audio saying something crazy, Republicans may not use this to prove that the left actually believes these crazy ideas.

    https://babylonbee.com/news/conservatives-accused-of-making-liberals-look-bad-by-simply-reading-list-of-things-liberals-believe

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  155. Farm Boy says:

    After facing scrutiny and concerns, including from some state lawmakers, the University of Iowa has canceled a white privilege workshop scheduled for this month.

    https://www.thecollegefix.com/university-of-iowa-cancels-white-privilege-workshops-amid-scrutiny-concerns/

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  156. Farm Boy says:

    In other words, this would mean that ICE cannot detain or remove anyone who has effectively any relationship with an “unaccompanied” minor — either because they’re sponsors, in the same household as sponsors, or even just “potential sponsors” (or in the household of potential sponsors!) of such a child.

    There’s already a huge incentive to bring a child with you if you’re planning to infiltrate the border, because kids can’t be held more than 20 days, according to the Flores agreement, and we don’t separate parents from kids, so if you sneak across with a kid in tow, you’re released into the U.S.

    The new provision would create an incentive for illegal aliens already here to order up kids from Central America as human shields against deportation. After all, 80 percent of the sponsors of unaccompanied children are in the country illegally in the first place — usually parents or other relatives paying criminal gangs to bring the kids to the U.S., knowing that the likelihood that they’ll be repatriated is virtually nil.

    What a disaster. Republican negotiators have disgraced themselves.

    https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2019/02/dems-fill-border-compromise-with-landmines-gop-doesnt-notice-or-doesnt-care.php

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  157. Ame says:

    Ton nailed it, again, over at Bloom’s:

    Life ain’t much different then a boxing match.

    The other side has their own plan trying to win their own fight at your expense and it’s unrealistic to think you’ll win every round but you can always win the next round. Or maybe the best you can manage is winning the next fight. Sometimes you knock so,e fucker out in the 1st round. Other times You get caught by supirse and it’s your knees buckling in the 1st round. You get knocked down, you do your best to come back swinging smarter and harder. Sometimes you fight hard as hell for 15 rounds and the best you can manage is loosing. Don’t rightly matter because if you fight hard and loose folks will still pay to see you fight again and you’re still in the money.

    Divroced against your will, so to speak,? Well you probably can’t win that round but you can win the next round and the next fight.

    Or you can loose a couple of rounds then lay down and die. Just don’t expect anyone to respect that shit.

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  158. thedeti says:

    INteresting topic. This response will be a long one. Strap in and buckle up.

    Unfortunately I don’t think we ever get anywhere when we discuss things like this, where the subject matter has to do with

    1) How one sex internally experiences a phenomenon and the internal effects it has on that sex, and how the members of that sex manifest those experiences and effects

    and

    2) How the other sex interprets externally that same phenomenon that that other sex is NOT experiencing but is watching that one sex experience it, and outwardly manifest the effects.

    In other words, how girls actually experience their teen years and what it does to them;

    and

    how everyone else sees girls experiencing their teen years and what they act like.

    It would be the same thing if we were talking about how boys experience their teen years and what it does to them;

    and

    how everyone else sees boys experiencing their teen years and what they act like.

    Everyone thinks they have the “right” answer. But it is always filtered through one’s own experiences, one’s own thoughts and feelings, and one’s own frames of reference.

    This is why i’m still trying to come fully around to BV’s position, stated years ago, Or perhaps it was Morpheus at the old J4G site, and first identified after years of posting at HookingUpSmart:

    Men and women cannot discuss intersexual relationships in any meaningful way. There will never be true understanding or agreement or consensus. Men’s interests and women’s interests are at direct cross purposes.
    _________________________________________________________

    Roissy was right. Intersexual relationships are mostly a zero sum game. For one sex to “win”, the other has to “lose”. One sex’s primary sexual imperative is realized and the other’s is not. Either the man’s interests are realized and he gets what he wants; or the woman’s interests are realized and she gets what she wants. They can’t both get what they want sexually, at least not at the same time.

    For a man to “win”, his woman has to “lose”. He gets sex; she has to give up Harley and Alpha and Fuckbuddy. And, as we’re finding out, she REALLY REALLY REALLY wants Harley and alpha and Fuckbuddy. She prefers sex with them to marriage to Louie Lawyer or Paul Plumber or Tom Teacher.

    This is where we had been up until about, oh, 70 years ago. Billy Beta “wins” because he gets sex with Sally. If Sally had her way, she’d take her run at Harley, Alpha and Fuckbuddy and do her best to convert one of them to husband material.

    Well, now that’s where we are. Now, women “win” while men “lose”. Sally gets all the sex she could want with Harley and Alpha and Fuckbuddy, and is taking her best shot at converting one of them to “husband”. She also has her job, supplemented as needed with money from men (Dad, friends, dates, boyfriends).

    And this is by design. Women got tired of “losing”. They got tired of having to spend 50 years with Billy, Louie, Tom or Paul. They saw their grandmothers and how “unhappy” they were. So, women said “let us run this shit, and it’ll all be OK!” So, now, women “win”, while men “lose”.

    Yes, under the old system, more men and more women “won”. Sort of. By “winning”, women got the security they craved, even if they didn’t get the back breaking kneebending sex. By “winning”, men got the sex they craved, but they had to pick one, and they had to “pay” for her.

    Now? Everyone “loses”. They can rent or borrow Harley or Alpha or Fuckbuddy, but they can’t keep him. Women have to provide their own security. And they don’t like this. The minute a woman can quit a job and stay home with kids, she does it. The minute she can go part time, she does it.

    Most women really don’t like working. Most women really don’t like having to earn money to support themselves. Most women really don’t like shouldering the burden of contributing to or being primarily responsible for a family’s financial bottom line. They’ll do it, but they hate it. So they drown their sorrows in chardonnay, cat dander and alpha semen.

    As for men? They lose worse. And the risks are astronomical. Most men are not attractive enough to get and keep a woman for decades. They’re just not. And they never will be no matter how alpha they become, no matter how many red pills they swallow. So they get nothing or next to nothing. They subsist in sexual deserts, most of them for their entire lives.

    But, they still have to work to support themselves. But because of their bro culture and otherwise social isolation, they don’t work like they could. They’re so demoralized they work only as much as they have to to survive. They don’t build anything. They don’t make or create anything. Why should they? What for? There’s no reason to build or make or create or preserve or get or gather anything. Why? So he can sit in a 4 bedroom colonial in the burbs? He doesn’t need that. All he needs is an apartment or small house, a small car, an internet connection, a laptop, and enough money to pay the bills.

    Across town, coming home from work and flopping down on her sofa, is a woman who, 70 years ago, would have been his wife for a few years, and they’d have had one kid by now. He’d be a middle manager at some company, or a warehouse foreman, making enough to take care of the three of them.

    But, because women wanted it this way, he is in his 1 bedroom walkup firing up the Playstation for the night. She pours herself another Cab Sav and pops a Xanax with it. She’s got deadlines and a memorandum of law due in the morning.

    And so it goes.

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  159. Farm Boy says:

    To perform this task, his SOTU sharpens the decisive differences among Americans so we understand where we are. In response to the alarming “new calls to adopt socialism in our country” Trump reminds that “America was founded on liberty and independence, and not government coercion, domination, and control. We are born free and we will stay free.” Will we sell our birthright for a bowl of government gravy?

    The context in his speech for the blast against socialism is a moral defense of strong borders, the right to life against late-term abortions, and his America first foreign policy. The entire speech is a way of interpreting Rooseveltian aspirations through an anti-New Deal lens, and not for the purpose of fooling anyone but because this is the only realistic and American way to protect and expand the middle class. In doing all of this, Trump even got his audience to laugh (and sing!) together. Like Americans.

    https://amgreatness.com/2019/02/13/a-state-of-the-union-75-years-in-the-making-trump-answers-fdr/

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  160. thedeti says:

    FB poses the topic as (paraphrasing)

    why are girls the way they are? Is it self esteem problems like Tarn used to say? As a guy, that sounds strange, because we guys don’t get how girls can possibly have low self esteem. They get pumped up with all kinds of external validation. They get everything handed to them. Life for them is on easy mode.

    Ame, 13 Feb 2019 at 1:35 am, disagrees, and says it really IS all about self esteem.

    This is where the male-female divide comes in. Because Ame and Liz and probably most other women agree that it is about self esteem.

    I don’t buy it precisely because women are pumped full of self esteem as girls.

    Also, the things Ame mentions and wrote about don’t have anything to do with self esteem.

    Bear with me here.

    ~ teen girls are just out of elementary school. they have no clue who they are or what the heck is going on with their bodies, and with rare exception (imo), they haven’t a clue how their developing bodies affect boys. it wasn’t until i was married a long time that i understood some of the things that were said of/to me when i was that age by boys. they weren’t bad things, and i was NOT a loose girl, but i had no clue what they meant (they were actually compliments, but i had no idea of that, either).

    That has nothing to do with self esteem. This is lack of experience, immaturity, and confusion. It is not a girl not liking herself.

    ~ it’s been proven over and over that those who have to work for something get more out of it. that girls are being given grades and preference doesn’t help them at all. it actually hurts them.

    This again is inexperience and no frame of reference. It’s not that girls don’t like themselves.

    ~ if something is the ‘norm,’ they don’t know any different. so when being given preferential treatment is their norm, they don’t know it’s preferential treatment … so they don’t understand why there would be resentment towards them.

    This again is inexperience and confusion. Not KNOWING something doesn’t have a lot to do with not liking yourself.

    ~ they are definitely taught, “Girls rule; boys drool.” and they get defensive – most of the time not understanding what they’re defending or why. and add in all the crazy hormones of all teenagers …

    again: Inexperience, lack of understanding and perspective, and biology. Not “I don’t like myself”.

    ~ teen girls are truly in their own little worlds, lost in their very limited – due to not having lived much – mental world. their brains do not work like boys’ brains. their thoughts do not process at all like boys’ thoughts. granted, girls are more exposed than ever before, but i’d guess that, unless they’ve personally experienced it, they don’t really know what’s going on or what things exactly mean.

    Immaturity, inexperience and lack of perspective. This is not “I don’t like myself”. This is “I don’t know anything. I don’t know myself. I don’t know what is going on. I don’t have the experience to understand or process this.”

    ~ true, girls will learn cause-and-effect young … actually, girls are born with the desire to attract attention, esp from men – fathers, grandfathers, uncles, brothers, etc. i remember walking into a room to pick up Oldest in PREschool and a little boy was holding her hands and gazing into her eyes! lol! a few years later his mom told me he really liked Oldest in her red sweater she wore sometimes. it was sweet … but it’s also organic. normal. and girls learn the cause and effect of their actions … that boys/men respond kind and protective and attentive. but they (in general) have no idea what that means and what a boy is thinking or experiencing when they respond to girls. …

    If anything this would bolster, not undercut, girls’ self esteem. It doesn’t matter that they don’t understand it; all that matters is whether they LIKE it. Girls absolutely love attention.

    ~ and this is why, imo, parents need to let children be children and age-appropriate. teaching little girls to be ‘sexy’ and wear ‘hot’ bikinis and ‘sexy’ clothes and ‘sexy’ hair is not good. and that what they do. and they praise that. but that little girl who isn’t even developing yet hasn’t got a clue what that means except that people respond positively to her … and the more ‘sexy’ she is, the more positive feedback she gets. but she doesn’t understand what that means to boys.

    Inexperience, immaturity. Not “low self esteem”.

    ~ also remember … our brains are not fully developed until we’re in our early 20’s to late 20’s, sometimes. and this is why girls NEED to be protected by their Daddys … why Ton didn’t let his Daughter go to prom … cause girls brains aren’t developed fully, they don’t think like boys, they understand they have something that causes them to be treated well and attract boys, but they’re not yet fully aware of that and what it means. shame on parents who leave their daughters unprotected and throw them out with birth control pills to fend for themselves.

    Again: immaturity, lack of understanding, lack of critical thinking. Nothing whatsoever to do with “i don’t like myself”.
    __________________________________

    The fact that a girl doesn’t understand something fully, lacks perspective on it, is inexperienced, or is immature, doesn’t by itself create low self esteem.

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  161. Farm Boy says:

    BREAKING: Multiple soucres tell @ABC7Chicago Eyewitness News Jussie Smollet and the 2 men who are being questioned by police staged the attack – allegedly because his character was being written out of the show Empire.

    — Rob Elgas (@RobElgasABC7) February 15, 2019

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  162. Farm Boy says:

    I don’t get how girls “don’t understand the effect they have on boys” works. They see it in action. Lots of them work hard to optimize themselves to attract that attention

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  163. SFC Ton says:

    Solipsism FB. That’s the word you’re missing….. inthink. I never spell that shit correctly. Plus many of them do kmow and just don’t give a shit

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  164. AOC is no accident. She and others who came out of nowhere and fast tracked did not do that alone. Last time someone came out of nowhere like that, they were president for 8 years despite little to no experience and a still contested citizenship. Last time we could say we never thought it could happen. Next time there will be no excuse. It’s tome to start following the money HARD. Now. Get in front of them Bc it’s no question what the end goals are. Yeah she’s dump. All the easier to control. Smart puppets are hard to find. Mark my words… it’s nog going anywhere good!

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  165. @ farm boy you would be amazed how seldom women think sexually compared to men. A woman can be driving a guy nuts and have no idea or intent. It truly simply doesn’t occur to most except the ones who do know and they are not for the timid. Only a vrty advanced player can match game who truly knows and weaponizes it.

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  166. Ame says:

    Farm Boy
    2h ago
    I don’t get how girls “don’t understand the effect they have on boys” works. They see it in action. Lots of them work hard to optimize themselves to attract that attention

    this might seem simple … but to make sure i’m responding to *exactly* how a girl effects a boy, please explain in detail – even if it’s graphic.

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  167. Ame says:

    Deti – The fact that a girl doesn’t understand something fully, lacks perspective on it, is inexperienced, or is immature, doesn’t by itself create low self esteem.

    absolutely correct.

    doesn’t change that she often *does* have low self-esteem.

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  168. Ame says:

    sol·ip·sismDictionary result for solipsism
    /ˈsäləpˌsizəm/
    noun
    the view or theory that the self is all that can be known to exist.

    definitely true of teenage girls 🙂 … hopefully, they outgrow this, but as evident by society and culture, often they don’t.

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  169. Farm Boy says:

    The secret to being a successful leftist is very similar. Like Lovecraft’s narrator, they are unable—certainly unwilling—to correlate the contents of the minds; thus, they are able to hold two or more antithetical bits of information in their minds and discount or ignore any bit of evidence that does not conform to their theoretical worldview. In Through the Looking-Glass, the White Queen tells Alice that she can believe as many as six impossible things before breakfast. Leftists have her beat many times over.

    A prime example came this past week, when the Democrats, who now appear to be the personal party of a small child from the Bronx named after a city in Egypt, rolled out their “Green New Deal”—which implicitly called for, among other inanities, high-speed trains to Europe and the reconstruction of every building in America—at the same time that the newly installed governor of California, Gavin Newsom, was aborting his predecessor Jerry Brown’s high-speed train to nowhere, a $77-billion exercise in fruitlessness that marks, to date at least, the high-water mark of liberalism’s inability to correlate any of the contents of its largely empty heads.

    Anyone, including this semi-native Californian, could see there was no market for a bullet train from Bakersfield to Fresno to Merced to Erewhon, especially one that had already busted its budget many times over—a great gobbling maw worthy of Cthulhu himself that, in true pagan god fashion, would and could never be satisfied no matter what or whom was sacrificed to it. But liberal gods are insatiable; too much is never enough for them.

    https://amgreatness.com/2019/02/13/leftism-is-like-the-cult-of-cthulhu/

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  170. Farm Boy says:

    I would say that raising several ill-prepared fatherless generations of slackers, meth and opioid users, porn dogs, disheveled rockers, and illiterates speaks poorly of any degree of empowerment in parenting. Most parenting is done by absent single women since two-thirds of mothers are raising their youngsters outside of marriage. So, we have the filthy clothes, ten o’clock shadows on guys, shocking grammar, plethora of tattoos, sullen misfits in torn filthy clothing listening to violent hate-filled so-called music; entitled attitudes and non-existent manners say it all. Empowerment? Why, the facts scream that feminists are two generations of the worst-ever educators of America’s children. In what manner does this speak of empowerment? Woman, by your fruits are you known! And those fruits didn’t come out of your briefcases.

    https://eagleforum.org/publications/efr/jan19/my-sister-kate.html

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  171. How girls are completely unaware:

    I was at a local fast food place on rare occasion Bc my oldest was craving it. We ordered, took our number, and were waiting…. a high school girl came in and ordered.i for the first time understood what guys mean when they talk about yoga pants. I guarantee this gal had no idea whatsoever. She was not trying to be… ahem… but holy smokes it was like… ahem…

    She probably self consciously wonders why everyone is always looking at her! Lol.

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  172. Farm Boy says:

    Sure. Wanting your daughter to wait to have sex until marriage — thus avoiding STDs, heartbreak, unwanted pregnancies, abortions, and poverty — is exactly the same thing as incest and pedophilia. While nothing could be worse than accusing half the country of being pedophiles, she comes close again by insisting that you MAGA boys out there just want to have sex with other men. How this isn’t too racist and homophobic to print I’ll never know. I thought we weren’t allowed to mock homosexuality or use it as an insult? The rules are so hard to keep up with.

    https://pjmedia.com/trending/sex-therapist-claims-trump-supporters-have-a-homoerotic-attraction-to-the-president/

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  173. Farm Boy says:

    WASHINGTON, D.C.—A wildly popular Democratic lawmaker who seems to be poised to take over the entire liberal movement asked in a video posted to her social media accounts Wednesday why Republicans and conservatives are so obsessed with her when her dangerous socialist ideas threaten to destroy everything this country holds dear.

    “Conservatives are so shook!” she wrote on Twitter. “They simply can’t deal with the fact that my increasingly popular collectivist philosophy that will topple the incredibly prosperous way of life Americans have spent hundreds of years building is the future.”

    “They can’t handle the truth that my radical far-left policies will result in declining standards of living and increased government control over the minutia of their lives,” she added.

    In an interview, she echoed these sentiments, telling the interviewer that conservatives have an “unhealthy obsession with targeting powerful women who flirt with policies that killed 100,000,000 people over the past century.”

    “It’s like, don’t you guys have anything better to do than to point out that socialism kills people?” she said. “I mean, I’m not the expert on this stuff, but it’s obvious that Republicans are simply threatened by a strong woman of color.”

    https://babylonbee.com/news/why-are-republicans-so-obsessed-with-me-asks-wildly-popular-democrat-whose-ideas-threaten-to-destroy-everything-america-holds-dear

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  174. Farm Boy says:

    [Rather like this I do]

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  175. RichardP says:

    RPG – you’ve triggered an avalanche of thoughts and questions. I will limit myself to only a few. Why do you know how “hot” she looks (if that is what you were describing), and she doesn’t? Was there a time when you were as oblivious as you think she is, and then you became aware? If “yes”, what woke you up to the reality of your affect on males? (not looking for intimate details)

    Now, consider this girl’s mother. Does she know what you know? Consider the implications if she does, and knows that her daughter does not, and lets her go out like that anyway. Consider the implications if the girl’s mother does not know. Then my question becomes – why do you suppose that she doesn’t know while you do know?

    I’m thinking this boils down to an in-the-field sighting of the reason why “patriarchy” clamped down on female behavior a long time ago: because females were designed to arouse males (that’s necessary for making babies), yet they seem to not realize when they are causing that arousal, and so do not filter their behavior to appropriate times and places. Kinda inconvenient when she comes sashaying around in her yoga pants with “Juicy” written across the behind – just as the men are about to surprise the tyrantosaurus they want to bring down and take home for dinner. Akward.

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  176. Farm Boy says:

    I told my guy he should feel special that I’ve allowed him to pay my way on things

    https://dalrock.wordpress.com/2019/02/14/revolving-door-chivalry/

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  177. Ame says:

    Was there a time when you were as oblivious as you think she is, and then you became aware? If “yes”, what woke you up to the reality of your affect on males? (not looking for intimate details)

    i’m not Bloom, but i’ll answer … all my life. it wasn’t until the last ten years being married to my second husband, who honestly answered my questions, and who positively responded to my sexuality, that i began to understand.

    i knew that boys and men were attracted to me, but i totally did not understand it or why b/c i did not believe i was pretty or that i was sexually attractive … because my idea of pretty and who i was were totally different. i was thin but thought i was fat. my hair was curly and not straight, and curly hair was NOT valued by my mother or either of my grandmothers – it was actually hated by them. i have fair skin and grew up on the beach where only tanned skin was valued, and my skin does NOT tan. i was an introvert and socially awkward. i was also taught that sexuality was bad and evil and wrong and gross mainly by the ways my dad looked at me and what he did when i was little.

    it’s only been in the last several years that i can look back on my younger self and *see* who i was and what i looked like and realize that i really did have a great body and was attractive and pretty. back then, though, i was very insecure and continuously aware of what i looked like and that i did not look good enough or pretty enough and therefore was sub-par. my first husband could have countered all this, but he didn’t; he actually enforced it.

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  178. Ame says:

    Now, consider this girl’s mother. Does she know what you know? Consider the implications if she does, and knows that her daughter does not, and lets her go out like that anyway. Consider the implications if the girl’s mother does not know.

    mothers compete with their children.

    mothers like it when their daughters are beautiful and attractive and sexy.

    they flaunt that.

    it bolsters the mom.

    and when boys find their daughters attractive, it’s a compliment to the mother.

    – – –

    my question has always been … where are the dads in all of this? if men know a teenage girl is sexy and attractive to boys and men, why is the dad letting her dress that way and act that way? i’ve seen teenage girls looking sexy and seductive as all-get-out standing next to their dads in church. has he ever told her how she should dress and present herself? i mean, you can’t hide beautiful, but allowing your teenage daughter to wear seductive clothing? i don’t get it. i’ve asked this question before but have never been given an answer.

    and before it starts … i am NOT blaming men for women’s problems. but if there are daughters in the house, and dad doesn’t step in when she’s dressing and acting seductive … who is going to stop her? in that house it’s obvious mom is in control, and that opens a whole ‘nother can of worms.

    i do know that both my parents practically fawned me off on boys and were very proud that boys were attracted to me. i didn’t get it at the time. (i actually still don’t). and i certainly did NOT understand why or how i was attractive to boys when i *knew* i was ugly and unattractive and fat (none of that was true, but it’s how i saw myself).

    – – –

    and in the middle of all this … people want to say that a teenage girl is always aware of her sexuality and that she is sexually attractive to boys? i honestly don’t get that.

    and when you say a girl is sexually attractive to a boy … are you saying that when he looks at her he gets an erection and wants to have sex with her? i can assure you … that was no where in anything in my mind. even though i had a brother i did not understand the way boys thought or anything about erections or reactions to girls/women. i had no concept of that at all. none.

    – – –

    and Deti is right that what i described above does not directly say, “I am a teenage girl, and I am insecure.”

    in·se·cureDictionary result for insecure
    /ˌinsəˈkyo͝or/
    adjective
    1.
    not firmly fixed; liable to give way or break.
    “an insecure footbridge”
    2.
    (of a person) not confident or assured; uncertain and anxious.

    but i know many teenage girls, including myself when i was a teen, are very insecure. they are not confident or assured. they are uncertain and anxious about everything … their hair, their skin, their body shape and development, how they think, how they walk, what they say, how their voice sounds, how they move, and the big one – when their period starts and will they have an oops with that and bloody clothes. HUGE. if they look confident, it’s an act. most go home and curl up and worry over everything they did and said that day … super stressed about it all.

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  179. Ame says:

    i remember being at the neighborhood pool and watching these young middle school girls in little bikinis playing and splashing around like children, but they did NOT look like children. did their dads not see that? did it not bother them that the men sitting around the pool wearing sunglasses were ogling their young daughters? i realize bathing suits can’t cover beautiful, but i’m guessing that certain styles make a girl look more sexually attractive to men? idk … you men would have to answer that one.

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  180. BuenaVista says:

    Bloom’s totally out to lunch, and mimicking ‘it just happened! I had no idea?” femme-speak.

    Women present themselves as sexual objects, whether they are strippers, schoolteachers, spies, pilots, investment bankers, married housewives, pianists, SCOTUS-licensed attorneys … I’m sure I’m leaving someone out, but it’s been six months of reactivation.

    To say that women don’t think about sex is tradcon, feminist BS. It’s a given, not an anomaly.

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  181. BuenaVista says:

    Of course, there are always anti-sex females. They are more common with American Catholics, feminists, the obese, the obese and married, the ‘I married for security’, bank tellers. These are evident at 10 meters.

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  182. Liz says:

    Women present themselves as sexual objects, whether they are strippers, schoolteachers, spies, pilots, investment bankers, married housewives, pianists, SCOTUS-licensed attorneys … I’m sure I’m leaving someone out, but it’s been six months of reactivation.

    I think you’re right (obviously…just observe the world) but I can see both angles. I wore shorts in my younger teens that were like Daisy Dukes. I had no idea….because I’d worn them in my preteens too and then filled out in the meantime. I just thought I’d gained some weight, had no idea the impact of those shorts (at least, not for months). I’m sure I’m not unique.

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  183. Liz says:

    Just to add (blah blah blah…well, it’s the topic) people looked at me all the time anyway so there seemed nothing special about what I wore. When I figured it out, I started dressing in baggy clothing all the time. I did this in college and beyond…really it wasn’t until after our first kid I started dressing better (form fitting stuff).

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  184. Liz says:

    Just to add (again, good grief) when I was out with Mike I’d sometimes wear better stuff but mostly it was just overalls type things. I’d never go out alone in anything form fitting.

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  185. BuenaVista says:

    My comments don’t apply to teenagers. I don’t flirt with teenagers. (They do, with me.)

    Your comments prove my point that women understand the incredible power and utility of sex. Your choice of clothing with the man you wanted just says, ‘We’re doing this one step at a time.’ it’s not like he didn’t know exactly what sort of figure you were sporting.

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  186. Liz says:

    There is a way women dress when they’re “on the market” and a different way they dress when they’re “off the market”. They don’t have to dress in overalls and baggies (that’s overkill) but there’s definitely a look. Whenever a woman dresses (on the day to day) like she’s still on the market when she should be off the market that’s a red flag she’s still on the market.

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  187. thedeti says:

    Someday I will learn to leave short, pithy, to the point comments like BV does.

    until then I’ll have to be wordy and windy.
    ______________

    Comments after mine and up to now illustrate why men and women don’t see eye to eye on these things.

    I agree with BV – I don’t believe for one goddamn minute that women, including high school girls, have no clue that boys are checking them out.

    Women know exactly what they are doing when they wear the clothes they do. They know exactly what they’re doing with yoga pants, low cut blouses, etc.

    Women understand from a very early age how to manipulate men. They instinctively know how to flirt. I watched my 5 year old daughter flip her hair and giggle around a boy. The classic “hair toss and laugh” thing – it’s a staple. You all know how to do it. every one of you. I’ve seen it.

    So, no, i don’t believe girls are oblivious to the sexual power they have. They keenly understand it, and use it for every possible advantage they can get.

    And I do not believe for one minute that it creates low self esteem in girls.

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  188. Liz says:

    I never wore the shorts again, Deti.
    Don’t know why I would lie but okay.

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  189. Liz says:

    Mike just sent a text:
    “I think Trump is about to declare an emergency for the wall.
    CNN is very angry”

    Cannot confirm or deny as I haven’t checked myself but if so this is starting to look like a very good day. Of course, he might lose support from the media….

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  190. thedeti says:

    I’m going to moderate myself and go as gently as i can on our womenfolk here.

    For the life of me, i really cannot understand how it is that a girl of 15 or 16 or so does not perceive the male attention she gets, and why she gets it. It is glaringly obvious. To everyone. It was obvious even to stupid, Blue Pilled, unworldly, sheltered me, at age 14, that girls were getting male attention. And it was obvious why they were getting it. We all could see it. The girls could see it. And they knew it. And they knew why. And they used it to their advantage. They used it to increase their status, to get men to give them things, to get men to do things for them, for attention, and for attention from men they wanted.

    Is this because everyone is saying things to girls? Is it because everyone is telling girls how wonderful, smart, talented, kind, and sweet they are (trying to call attention to everything EXCEPT their physical attributes)? Is this because girls are believing what people are telling them? Because, well, i find that quite hard to believe, that you’re ignoring literally everything you’re seeing.

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  191. thedeti says:

    Liz:

    All of this just illustrates to me how men and women don’t see these things the same way. It’s not even about “lying”. It’s about girls using what they’ve got, what they KNOW they’ve got, to get what they want.

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  192. Liz says:

    Me: “I had no idea about the shorts…”

    You: I don’t believe for one goddamn minute that women, including high school girls, have no clue that boys are checking them out.

    I don’t see any other way to interpret that.
    At any rate, don’t worry about offending me, I’m done giving anecdotes.
    Just seemed like Farmboy was asking for them in the question so that stuff comes to mind.

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  193. Liz says:

    Okay, I lied….one more so I can get this one off my mental plate and go on with my day (hopefully watching the media implode).
    way I found out about the shorts: someone told me.
    I wasn’t wearing them with stilettos, I was wearing them with sneakers just like I always had…
    The person told me a couple of weeks after our male history professor started asking me to get up on a chair and place stuff on the wall (can’t remember what it was…posters or something) in front of the whole class.
    It became apparent after that person told me, exactly why he kept asking me (when I was wearing them).
    Did I feel good about that? Did I feel happy about the attention? No, quite the contrary.

    You know when you’re writing shit and you just know you should shut up but no…you just keep writing? That’s me this morning. I should’ve never mentioned it.
    At any rate, done for the day. Hope you all have a great Friday.

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  194. thedeti says:

    Liz:

    You took a general statement i made, and applied it to you personally.

    You took a general statement about “women” personally.

    With all due respect, that’s not on me.

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  195. Cheque d'Out says:

    I very much appreciate the efforts being made on all sides to keep it civil, if not amicable right now.

    I’m personally not sure that men and women occupy the same reality. All things considered I think I prefer the male reality. I appreciate very much the women trying to bring up the next generation in a healthy way, especially those bringing up boys.

    I don’t think that the people here are the problem. Perhaps the people here struggle to communicate across the gender chasm at times though?

    Just a thought.

    Sounds like congratulations are due over The Donald taking concrete steps towards your security today. My nation, the sane ones, are grateful for the kind words aimed our way.

    Cheers, gin, tonic and lime here right now. Have a good Friday evening and impending weekend too

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  196. Cheque d'Out says:

    Just finished series 3 of The Expanse on netflix, after rewatching 1 & 2. Fantastic sci-fi. Just great in every way.

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  197. molly says:

    Luv ya unca S! Have a nice evening as well in your lovely part of England. I went to it with my parents. It was misty and magic with elves and Lorna Doone. I hope and wish you are well and happy and ok💞

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  198. molly says:

    Ame i was fortunate my dad did tell me about sex and effect on boys. He said females have no idea the power of testosterone like a dam bursting. Dad said if I doll my self up I am saying I am pretty and I am for sale. It is on my own head. I knew it anyway. Mum told me it all from when I was old enough to understand.

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  199. BuenaVista says:

    J4G was a very useful and helpful site, owing to the focus on SMP realities. For someone like me, whose entire learned ethic as a man was proven false by experience, it was perhaps a lifesaver.

    The notion that only men think about sex is just so mendacious, so manipulative, so wildly contemptuous of men that I’m surprised I’m reading it hear.

    10 year old girls are sexualized. High school volleyball uniforms. Female pop music. Every single women’s magazine. Yoga pants on 50 year olds at the grocery store. Slut walks. 50 Shades: fastest selling book in history. Epidemic of female teachers screwing boys. 70% of divorcees sprung by females. Do I really need to go on? Have any of you ever been to a suburban preteen dance ‘recital?’ The moms are the ones pimping out their 9 year olds.

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  200. Farm Boy says:

    J4G was a very useful and helpful site, owing to the focus on SMP realities. For someone like me, whose entire learned ethic as a man was proven false by experience, it was perhaps a lifesaver.

    Might you elaborate more on how it was a lifesaver for you?

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  201. “High school volleyball uniforms.”

    And on to the next thread…

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  202. Cheque d'Out says:

    There’s any number of posts to be had there. I certainly see the sexualisation of the world. However, I just do not believe that these women here would flat lie about their experiences.

    I can’t square this circle in my reality but we’re truly shagged if we can’t even attempt the conversation

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  203. RichardP says:

    @Ame – thanks for the response. Your words demonstrate an example that I find useful in many different situations:

    1. Primary Reality – what is.
    2. Secondary Reality – what is perceived.

    3. Tertiary Reality – problems created because of the gap between 1 and 2. The smaller that gap, the less tertiary reality we have to deal with.

    The point of education (not just schooling) is to move Secondary Reality closer to Primary Reality. Ame says that education was lacking regarding the topic of this thread. Molly says that education was not lacking. Look at the difference that someone addressing Point 2 made in the lives of both Ame and Molly (as representative of the world at large).

    @Deti – Men and women think differently. Men and women have different approaches to moral reasoning. Both of those items have been proven time and again.

    I understand how easy it is to be misinterpreted on the internet in the absence of body language from which to take cues. So I can accept that I’ve mis-read you. But – in reading what you’ve written in this thread – you are describing what you perceive (Point 2 above), and how you think about what you perceive, and seem to be suggesting that women actually think the way you do, they are just being dishonest about it. I think the research does not support your conclusions on this matter.

    @Everyone: Now, consider all of this from the persepective of something that is generally considered true in the manosphere: females don’t “see” anybody but those who intrigue them. I think the same general idea is also true for guys. So – it is probably true that all of the females that Deti “sees” actually are guilty of the things he charges them with. My point is that I believe there is a wide swath of females that Deti does not “see” that do have problems a large tertiary reality (Point 3) above – they misperceive things about themselves and they misperceive things about guys. Liz gave a perfect example of this. The minute she was made to understand that something about her had changed and that change was affecting others’ response to her (her teacher, etc), she changed her behavior. But until her perception of things was educated, she did not perceive that anything was different about herself and others. Ame shows that her (mis)perceptions remained unchanged for a long time because someone did not educate her. Molly shows that her (mis)perceptions changed at a fairly young age because someone DID educate her.

    Folks can’t know what they don’t know – until they are taught. Folks who don’t know can’t really control the timing of what they are taught and when they are taught it. Which is the segue into Attribution Theory (what is this that is happening to me and to others, and what does it mean?) That means there is naturally a wide range of understanding in everybody. Deti protesting that this shouldn’t be does not change the reality that it is.

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  204. thedeti says:

    Spawny:

    WE’re attempting the conversation. But we don’t get far, because we just don’t see the world in the same way. the experiences are just so wildly different. Women cannot fathom the male experience. Men cannot fathom the female experience, especially the “i had no idea i was attracting men by doing/saying/wearing that”.

    The “realities” are so divergent there’s just almost no common ground.

    It doesn’t help when men see plainly what is going on. It just makes us listen to women (sometimes here, sometimes elsewhere) and just shake our heads and think “that is just so much bullshit”.

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  205. thedeti says:

    Richard

    I haven’t “charged” anyone with anything.

    All i am doing here is describing what I am seeing. And i “see” all different types of women. And all women, across the board, pretty much describe girlhood like this: “i’m just going about my business wearing what i want and i have no idea why all these men are interested in me.” And all women know how to attract men, what to do, what clothes to wear, how to act, etc.

    It is because they all act more or less the same way. All of them, all women, from every age and station. Rich, poor, bright, dull, smart, dumb, educated, uneducated, urban, rural, every race, every demographic, everywhere.

    I’m convinced it is innate. It’s instinct.

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  206. SFC Ton says:

    I very much appreciate the efforts being made on all sides to keep it civil, if not amicable right now.
    ……..

    Give me a minute and I’ll fix that shit for you

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  207. thedeti says:

    Farm Boy: “I don’t get how girls “don’t understand the effect they have on boys” works. They see it in action. Lots of them work hard to optimize themselves to attract that attention”00

    Ame: “this might seem simple … but to make sure i’m responding to *exactly* how a girl effects a boy, please explain in detail – even if it’s graphic.”

    I’m not Farm Boy, but I’ll take a run at this.

    Let me tell you about the life experience of the average, run of the mill boy, aged 12 to 17.

    His entire insides, from his brain to his heart, are being literally bathed in testosterone 24/7/365. He spends ages 12 and 13 being literally unable to think straight.

    At the same time, he is developing an OVERWHELMING sex drive. He wants his pee pee touched, and he wants it so bad he can barely see straight.

    Ever heard the expression “gets hard when the wind blows”? It’s not far from the truth. You get erections at the most inopportune times – in church. In 8th grade language arts class. in the back seat of the car while riding with someone somewhere. Any time you’re with a girl who kind of likes you. Hold hands? Hardon. She brushes up against your arm? Hardon. Kissing? Hardon. Slow dancing at the homecoming dance? Hardon. Can see some downblouse? Hardon.

    Your cock gets so hard it HURTS. And it happens WHILE YOU ARE DRESSED and WHILE YOU CANNOT DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT.

    You think about sex once a minute, every minute, from the time you wake up until you fall asleep. Every girl you look at is a possible sex partner. Every girl you look at gets undressed in your mind.

    It is like this. All day. Every day. FOR AT LEAST TEN YEARS.

    The problem is that most of the girls you see or like, don’t like you back.

    And another huge problem is that girls are advertising their goods, but at the same time, saying to 80% of the men, the 4 of 5 men they don’t want, “you cannot touch, i don’t even want you to be looking, ewww gross don’t look at me that way”.

    Your entire existence outside of school and other things is an exercise in controlling the irresistible urge to fuck the ever loving shit out of half the girls you see. If you could fuck them all, you’d find a way to do it. When you finally do get a chance to fuck one, you can’t get the rubber on fast enough.

    You learn, early on, that YOU ABSOLUTELY MUST FIND A WAY to control this and harness and direct it. And it is a positively herculean task.

    And you get almost NO help with it at all.

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  208. SFC Ton says:

    Yeah I have had very young girls do the classic signs of arousal and it was disturbing. This shit is natural born in them.

    But girls have no self awareness unless some dude slaps it into them. I was on the parental end of a story much like Liz’s.

    Deti’s problem is….. thinking he is disscusing the issue with a rational being. He ain’t. He’s discussing it with well meaning but mostly clueless children in adult like meat sacks

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  209. thedeti says:

    I lived through this. And the thinking about sex and wanting sex and the sex drive has slowed down only a little bit. I’m 50. I was kind of an early bloomer, so i’ve been living like this for damn near 40 years. Forty years of having a sex drive that demand satiation all day, every day. And as a younger man, going through long, long stretches of sexual dry spells. You spend months without a woman even touching you. You spend months with nothing.

    Yeah, yeah, i know. Women will tell us that it doesn’t matter, that we don’t die without sex, that i didn’t die, so buck up.

    The problem is that when your sex drive is that strong, is that ever present, is that overpowering, it’s always there and never goes away and the only thing that quiets it is orgasm, you have to find some way to get there. And that’s why internet porn is so ubiquitous. For men who cannot get release any other way. And there are a lot, A LOT, of men who can’t get that release any other way, because women don’t want them.

    Look, guys. Maybe some of you don’t like this. But these are FACTS. Plain and simple.

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  210. Cheque d'Out says:

    Not doubting what you write Deti.

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  211. thedeti says:

    Not only do the girls you like not like you back….

    And not only do the girls advertise their goods while insisting that you bottom 80%er not look……

    You are being lied to to beat the band. You’re being told the exact WRONG things to be, say, and do, to actually get at least one of these female humans to, you know, LIKE you. You’re being taught literally everything wrong. Everything everyone is telling you about how to deal with a female human is 180 degrees exact opposite of what they should be telling you.

    You’re being told:

    –be nice. Be yourself.

    –You’re doing great. You’re everything girls like. You’re nice. You’re kind. You’re smart. You’re intelligent. You get great grades in school. You play a really mean trombone. You’re a good, nice Christian boy.

    –For God’s sake, do not change yourself, no matter what people tell you. You’re fine just the way you are.

    –Take these girls seriously. If she says it, it is to be taken as Gospel truth as if it were handed to you on stone tablets from Mt. Sinai. Because girls DO. NOT. LIE. Ever.

    –These girls don’t want sex. They want you to be nice to them.

    –Give these girls whatever they want. If they want it, you give it to them. It is your duty to find a way to give them whatever they want.

    –Girls don’t like jocks, athletes, cocky/overconfident guys, class clowns, or super outgoing guys. They’re fakes. Girls say they don’t like them, right? So believe them. Because girls do not lie. Girls always tell the truth about these things.

    –Girls who DO like jocks, athletes and fuckups are themselves fuckups. They’re stupid, slutty, crazy, damaged, or broken. And you don’t want one of those girls anyway.

    So literally nothing you’re being told helps one bit with satisfying the overwhelming urges you get.

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  212. thedeti says:

    Spawny:

    I’m not saying you doubt what i write. I’m addressing the girls.

    Whenever the boys and girls here discuss their differing experiences and viewpoints on the others’ experiences, (girls opining on boys, boys opining on girls), it devolves into

    –they must not be telling the truth

    –they must be perceiving things incorrectly

    –they must be perceiving things that aren’t there

    –“I just don’t get it”

    –“I don’t understand this at all”

    And it always gets back to this: Men’s and women’s sexual imperatives are at direct cross-purposes. When you get one man and one woman together, they’re battling with each other for dominance. They’re battling with each other to determine whose imperative will be satisfied. One will “win”, the other will “lose”. And right now, most women “win” while most men “lose”.

    And because of this, because men’s and women’s imperatives are at direct and total war with each other, they each can barely understand the other ‘s viewpoint.

    Which is why these conversations don’t really make a lot of headway.

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  213. thedeti says:

    and what people SHOULD be telling boys is:

    –Be aloof. Stop caring so much. If a girl doesn’t like you, big deal. Pay no attention to her.

    –speaking of attention, that’s a girl’s Achilles heel. Girls HATE being ignored. Girls hate it when guys don’t pay any attention to them.

    –if girls aren’t liking or noticing you, its’ because something is wrong with you. Find out what that is and fix it.

    –stop talking so much. Stop smiling so much.

    –if a girl isn’t giving you what you want, ignore her and pay no attention to her. Remove her from your life. You do not owe girls anything. If she’s not interested in you, cut her off and cut her out. If she’s giving you nothing, she gets nothing from you.

    –No girl “friends”. Girls are not your friends. No friendzone. The very minute you think you’ve been friendzoned, you scrape her off and get rid of her.

    –Looks matter. A lot. A whole fuckton. Get your ass in shape. Play a team sport. Fix your hair, shower, dress well, don’t become a lumpy fatass.

    –Girls like confident, dominant, bad ass guys who are really good at something masculine. Not trains. Not memorizing facts.

    –Girls are humans. Humans lie. Therefore, girls lie.

    –Girls like sex. A lot. They really like it with guys they think are hot.

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  214. BuenaVista says:

    This is a civil conversation, CdO. If you want us to pretend to believe that women — who sexualize every single interaction with a man whose attention they desire or every man whose approval they want — never think about sex, then you just Obsidian’d your very pleasant blog. That would be a shame.

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  215. BuenaVista says:

    My 13 year-old daughter — of course, living only with her mother, because only men think about sex, just ask Bloom — came to one of my company parties wearing fancy, sexy shoes at least 10 years too old for her. She could hardly walk in them. We’re slow to mature in BV’s world, so I doubt she was even pubescent. She had make-up on like a working girl in her 20’s. That was the last time that happened, trust me. But who dressed her and bought her the shoes, clothing and make-up? A mysterious non-female? Because women never think about sex? Fuck me with a spoon.

    Same daughter, last month, only now she makes a living off women and has the North American + Brazil revenue bogey for an ultra high-end European fashion house. She’s more conservatively dressed now than at 13, when she was dressed by her mom.

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  216. Ame says:

    Deti – THANK YOU for your honesty.

    you’re a lawyer and trained to argue either side of a case.

    argue the side we women have stated. argue this case from the side that girls, unless they’re told OR have extensive sexual experience, do not know that how they dress and act causes boys to think about sex and want sex with them … that girls do not think about sex when they get dressed or when they act girly. argue the side that says Liz did not know what wearing those shorts did to her teacher or the boys (she didn’t, but that’s neither here nor there in this exercise). argue the side that girls minds are not saturated with sex or the need to orgasm frequently.

    i’m not being mean here … but i am curious as to how a man, who is trained to do so, would argue this side out and what conclusions you would come to.

    consider: Song of Solomon 8:4 “Promise me, O women of Jerusalem,
    not to awaken love until the time is right.” (NLT) (spoken by the woman in the narrative)

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  217. BuenaVista says:

    Pre-teen girls flirt with grown men. 85 year-old biddies flirt with men. And I’m telling any more anecdotes.

    Then the government says men should not have access to their own children, because, as Bloom says, “Women don’t think about sex. That’s a guy thing.” And the government says, “While you’re out having fun thinking only about sex, send money or we’ll jail you.”

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  218. BuenaVista says:

    … NOT telling any more anecdotes.

    No matter the environ, women enter and demand obedience to their false reality.

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  219. SFC Ton says:

    Weird Deti because over at blooms we were all told game is about pandering to women….

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  220. molly says:

    Dad told me – “think of Tolkien’s Dwarf King, his lust for the gold treasure was so strong he lost his mind. The dwarf king’s lust is a mild obsession compared with testosterone. Women and low testosterone men have no way of understanding testosterone as we have nothing within ourselves to reference it by”.

    Gran taught mum and mum taught me, a high testosterone man who controls his lust has strong discipline and sense of purpose. He controls his emotions and not his emotions control him. Before they knew about hormones they called it high sexed men. My mum and grandma and great gran going way back married high testosterone men and I did as well. He is strong in mind and body. It means heaps and heaps of sex so mum told me how to surrender. Yo! GO HUBBY I love your high testosterone and it’s all concentrated on me right now (during sex). IT.IS.CONCENTRATED! WOW!!! I love my high sexed hubby! ❤ ❤ ❤ ❤ ❤ ❤ ❤ ❤ ❤ ❤ ❤ ❤ ❤ ❤ ❤ ❤ ❤ ❤ ❤ ❤ ❤ ❤ ❤ ❤ ❤ ❤ ❤
    I'm *not* as sexed up as him but he gets me into it LOL

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  221. molly says:

    Now I’m out of here!
    KA-ZOOOM!

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  222. BuenaVista says:

    Back to the USAF traitor story, which doesn’t make any sense:

    1. No OC or NOC professional would get on the plane if he knew that some low-level Chair Force grunt could out him. Sorry, that’s the part of the story that is most ludicrous. (OC: official cover. NOC: non-official cover, which means the USA will not trade you out if nabbed, so, buh-bye.)

    2. This is all 5-8 years ago. Eh?

    3. Supposition: Apparently we just had a number of Iranian assets waxed. So they’re attempting to seal off the conversation and pre-empt the stories by saying some secretary did it.

    4. No “technical sergeant” in the USAF knows who working, producing Iranian human assets are.

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  223. thedeti says:

    Ame:

    I have no idea how to argue that side. I’m going to try to find something someone I had seen written over at Reddit.

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  224. thedeti says:

    Ame, why would you even want me to argue that side?

    What I wrote up there isn’t an exercise in pedantry. It’s deeply personal, borne of the most extreme frustration and pain i can muster up.

    You know, Ame, this shit is pretty personal with a lot of us. That’s why it resonates. Real people are involved. Real emotion, real pain, real shit.

    This is real. This is not hypothetical. This is not an academic exercise.

    And this being real stuff…. this is why we look at what women say when they say “tee hee, we just don’t think about sex and golly gee, i can’t imagine WHY Daisy Dukes and low cut tops and yoga pants would have ANY effect WHATSOEVER on men”, it makes me kind of roll my eyes back into my head.

    Ame, can you kind of see why I’m struggling with that, when girls AS YOUNG AS 5 YEARS OLD do that hair flip/giggle combo?

    Can you see why I am struggling with that, when girls will have sex with men whose names they don’t even KNOW?

    Can you see why I am struggling with all this, when girls absolutely revel in the attention their bodies get them?

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  225. Ame says:

    Dad told me – “think of Tolkien’s Dwarf King, his lust for the gold treasure was so strong he lost his mind. The dwarf king’s lust is a mild obsession compared with testosterone. Women and low testosterone men have no way of understanding testosterone as we have nothing within ourselves to reference it by”.

    Molly – no one ever told me anything like that. i figured it out, eventually … as in the last few years.

    i do teach these things to my girls, though.

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  226. Ame says:

    Deti,

    i apologize. i did not mean to be rude or disrespectful in asking you to argue the other side.

    what you write actually makes me cry.

    because it IS deeply personal.

    what i wrote is deeply personal to me. the things i heard and didn’t understand when i was a teenager … the things that happened to me and i didn’t understand b/c i didn’t know. no one told me.

    do girls know how to be girls … how to flip their hair, how to smile, etc. yes. when a little girl does those things and ALL the adults oooo and ahhh over her, she gets positive feedback, and she likes that. so she does it again. it’s a cause/effect cycle.

    but i can say with complete honesty … i have no idea what it’s like to have my mind and thoughts and body taken over by sex at such a young age. none. did i like boys? sure. did i want boys to like me? sure. did i know *something* about sex? sure. but i was extremely naive … and i won’t share the stories out here b/c y’all wouldn’t believe it, and b/c it’s permanent.

    i even had a few boys ask to have sex with me in high school. i told them no b/c i was waiting until i was married. i had no idea why they would ask me. i did not see what they saw. i was a very shy, insecure, socially inept, introvert. my grandmother was a society person, and she ditched me and demeaned me b/c i wasn’t good enough for her society friends, but my cousin, who was the same age, was, and my youngest sister was. our grandmother took those two around and taught them things … good things, but all she did to me was tell me to breathe thru my nose, which i couldn’t b/c my allergies were so terrible (b/c the house i grew up in was filthy … as in roaches would scatter when the lights came on at night, maggots in the kitchen, mice in my boxspring, filthy) … and she hated my naturally curly hair. so i was stamped as less-than and unacceptable and not worth it. my cousin, who is still knock-out gorgeous, married the same year i did – 33 years ago (actually, today is my 33’d anniversary w/my first husband; always a hard day for me), and she’s still married and still beautiful – knock out beautiful. and she has a heart of gold. love her.

    so when all the significant people in my life thought i was not worth it, how in the world would i ever think i was valuable on any level? why would i ever think any boy would like me or want to have sex with me? sex was no where on my radar except that i knew i wasn’t supposed to do it until i was married. and i wasn’t married.

    did i want to be loved? absolutely. did i want to be appreciated? absolutely. did i want to *not* be insecure? absolutely.

    – – –

    and … btw … those volleyball uniforms are wrong on so many levels. why the heck are parents allowing that?!!!!!!!

    – – –

    and daisy dukes in florida was ‘normal’ … so it’s not abnormal that Liz had a pair and wore them. and she is telling the truth that she didn’t know the effect they had.

    – – –

    i asked you to argue the other side because i think the conclusions that would come out of that would be telling.

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  227. Ame says:

    i deeply appreciate the commentary out here, even when you disagree. most of what i know about men and boys has come from reading out here, listening to you, and learning from you. you’ve given me the questions to ask my husband to understand, and thankfully he is willing for me to ask and willing to explain. my first husband would get angry with me when i asked questions. (i’ve explained my first marriage ad nauseam out here so won’t go into it again.)

    i appreciate knowing the truth and understanding things as much as possible in my female brain 🙂

    to have had parents like Molly’s … or a protective dad like Ton … i cannot imagine. nothing in me can imagine that. sure wish i did, though.

    my poor girls … i tell/teach them everything. now i guess i’ve told them these things so many times they roll their eyes at me, “I *know* Mom! You’ve already said that a jillion times!”

    and i’m thinking, “Really? I hope they know. I don’t want them to not know like I didn’t, wishing someone had told me.”

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  228. Cheque d'Out says:

    BV I’m not requesting or requiring anybody do anything. I just do not believe that the women here are deliberately lying. I am unable to reconcile their described reality growing up with what I see around me now. We’re now drowning in sexualisation. It might be a question of age? It wasn’t as blatant when I was a kid. I wasn’t sheltered by my parents as a kid but did grow up in suburbia rather than a city or dump

    I’m content that there’s no war. As yet, anyway.

    Lately I’m just waiting to see what my political class is attempting to lie, cheat or steal about next.

    Demotivational doesn’t begin to cover it. But another reaction would be unhelpful right now. Forty some days. Long days.

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  229. mgtowhorseman says:

    Ok I may even give in (reluctantly) that a girl up to 14 may not know the female effect on guys.

    After 16…bullshit. Even fat ugly chicks who can’t pull it off know EXACTLY what does and does not work.

    So now that we have excused CHILDREN from the equation….

    Find another reason for female behaviour KNOWING what works.

    Nope Deti is right. Why things have gotten as they are.
    Men are either outright calling women on their shit or just saying “whatever” in disbelief and ignoring them as liars.
    Women, requiring plausible deniability because THEY are not a slut or a user of men (a nawalt), have nothing to justify their actions.

    Nope once you know you cannot unknow.

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  230. Cheque d'Out says:

    Perhaps my relaxed attitude to the discrepancy comes from being trapped on an island where nearly 17 million complete nutbags decided that staying in the EU was the best option. Ever since the vote many of them run around talking absolute shit, lying so obviously that I can’t believe that they have the cheek to do it. The project fear bollocks is wall to wall on the media. May…the fucking prime minister…publicly tells contradictory lies to different people…And nobody calls her on it.

    I think that the world is completely fucking insane right now. So I and many many others are waiting to see the outcome and then we’ll take it from there. My best bet is that we’ll wake up on the day after the 11pm deadline and the EU will have made a couple of almost meaningless changes and everyone will claim that it’s a good enough deal so May signed it. The deal will amount to leaving in name only so that a return to the EU will be easy (though extortionate) in a few years time. Unless the Italians and ex-commie nations don’t kill it first. Or the Euro collapses.

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  231. Ame says:

    Nope once you know you cannot unknow.

    i absolutely agree with this, Horseman.

    but until you know, you simply don’t know. picking an age-to-know is a ludicrous as the educational system expecting all kids to learn specific things at specific ages.

    we do not have a penis that alerts us to arousal.

    – – –

    if in everything else men and women are different, which is foundational in Red Pill, why is it so hard to believe that girls and young women do not have the same physiological responses to or need for sex as males?

    we DO have the cause/effect responses … look and act cute and adorable and flirty, get positive response from ALL adults … get told how much the boys are going to LOVE you when you get older … get told how many boys Daddy is going to have to fight off b/c you’re so.darn.cute! … and Mommy and Daddy and grandparents and adult friends pick us up and tell us how adorable and cute we are when we fling our hair and flirt. positive response.

    but that’s a whole lot different from having a penis that hurts continuously and orgasm is the only cure. girls have NO concept of that.

    i would guess that this highly sexualized culture masks this. when mothers dress their daughters as BV’s ex wife did his daughter, what other conclusion are men to come to? i was honestly shocked at how many mothers dressed their little girls – preschool, even, in ‘sexy’ clothes and adoringly said to their little daughter, “You look great! You’re sexy! That’s so sexy!” Dad never said anything (that i know of). it was accepted across all classes of people – race, money, religion.

    – – –

    i’m guessing the convo’s have gone something like this, IF they happened at all:

    Dad: “She shouldn’t wear that. It gives the wrong message to boys.”
    Mom: “What do you mean she shouldn’t wear that? She looks adorable and sexy!”
    Dad: “She shouldn’t look sexy at her age.”
    Mom: “Why not? It’s not her fault if boys find her sexy! That’s their problem! (nag nag nag nag nag)
    Dad: finally walks away b/c he’s tired of her BS.

    i can’t blame men for walking away from stupid women.

    it’s the daughters growing up with mothers teaching them to be sexy that lose. because those daughters don’t comprehend what dressing sexy does to a male.

    kudos to BV and Ton and Molly’s Dad for setting those things straight with their own daughters. wish i had a dad who would have done the same for me.

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  232. Ame says:

    i guess i should add:

    yes, ‘panties wet’ is real.

    but girls, once they start menstruating, will have ‘wet’ panties from their periods and from discharge during the course of their cycle – in between periods. so they have to learn the difference between the different kinds of ‘wet.’

    and there’s a reason the song of solomon addresses that admonition to girls … to not awaken love before its time – iow, don’t have sex till you’re married … b/c until a girl has sex, she does not have that same kind of drive a male does b/c we don’t have the same plumbing doing the same things y’all do.

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  233. Farm Boy says:

    So how do Moehau Man sheilas deal with these issues?

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  234. BuenaVista says:

    Cdo: “I just do not believe that the women here are deliberately lying.”

    — Thanks for the back door accusation. I also never said they poison their children. Any other straw men to slay?

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  235. Ok you guys are taking what I said out of context. And I understand it’s possible I did not say it as well as I could have. But I can completely relate to Liz’s story about the shorts because I had similar but different experiences.

    Imagine if I said, “that’s not how guys really feel or think” to Deti. No women here are telling him boys and men don’t think about sex the way he describes.

    We are just asking for the same. I am not saying women never think about sex, or never try to attract male attention deliberately, or never know when they are doing it. Of course they do and can.

    I learned early not to misuse that. And not to mislead. And not to lead on. In fact like Liz I went to great lengths to NOT do those things and would still get attention I was in no way seeking, encouraging, or wanting.

    It may be hard to fathom or so far from what men experience it seems like some coy plausible deniability. But it’s not. You can believe me or not but I have lived it for 47+ years. Just like Deti has loved his experience. I don’t doubt it is as he describes. Why is it so hard to believe what we describe is our experience?

    I am not trying to argue. I am just trying to say, and Richard seems to get this, make and female experiences are very different. That’s why they say men are from Mars and women are from Venus.

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  236. Ok maybe I will tell a different story. I know a girl (not well, friend of a friend) and let me tell you she is the personification of hit w the ugly stick. No lie, not to be unkind. And 30-40 pounds overweight. Slovenly. Disheveled. Not even trying one would think. A 2, at best. So I was totally surprised when she mentioned she used to be a stripper. WHAT???!!!??? How in the world? I’d think guys would pay her to get dressed. How on earth could she ever get a guy aroused? Then by golly I saw it. A pretty successful guy I also know, not great looking not bad looking, was talking w her. Then she turned “it on.” Her mannerisms were very deliberately provocative w out being obscene but more come hither. Boom. He was in. Just like that. I could not believe it! Hanging on her every word! Captivated! Here good looking women fret and pick themselves apart and this fugly gal tossed out the hook and instant strike! Maybe she knew it before stripping, maybe she learned it there but if she could do it, any gal could. Why don’t they? Bc most women don’t have 1/10 of the awareness that homely plain Jane did. She may as well have been Marilyn Monroe from his response. No kidding. Unreal. He asked for her number and she whipped it out while meanwhile saying how much she would LOVE to work for a successful guy like him! I am pretty sure they hooked up later but I never asked.

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  237. I wrote another response earlier and swear I posted it but maybe not. Ah well doesn’t matter.

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  238. Oh now the post appeared, typos and all! (If there is no typo you should know by now to question its authenticity! Lol)

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  239. Liz says:

    and daisy dukes in florida was ‘normal’ … so it’s not abnormal that Liz had a pair and wore them. and she is telling the truth that she didn’t know the effect they had.

    Thanks Ame. Yes, small shorts were very common in Florida. And this was a high school so there was a dress code of sorts….so obviously they weren’t up my butt cheeks or anything.
    At any rate, think I should add for clarity, when I found out about the shorts and put it together about the history class I didn’t feel objectified. I felt a bit like the person in “Flowers for Algernon” when he starts to smarten up and realizes he has been ridiculed, but was too stupid to know it. Yeah, I was a dumb dumb dumb blonde.
    As has been noted, adolescence sucks.

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  240. RichardP says:

    I’m using the term “man” here because that is the term being used. But I mean “man” to refer to “male”.

    deti and others talk about men and women talking past each other. Yes, that was the point I was trying to make – but was maybe not obvious enough. So consider the following:

    @deti is telling what he knows. What every guy knows, and probably every girl / woman. Girls “know” how to be girls. Women “know” how to be women. They know by observation, or learn by someone teaching them what body behavior will get a man to take a second look. I am not questioning that. I actually don’t think anybody is questioning that. And it is all beside the point.

    Q1: Does a girl / woman know what body behavior will attract the attention of a man?

    A: I think just about every girl / woman would answer that they do know.

    But that is not the question that is being discussed, and that is why I addressed deti upthread. I may be misreading him (I don’t think I am), but it seems that Q1 is the question he is addressing. But it is not the question being discussed.

    Q1: Does a girl / woman know what body behavior will attract the attention of a man?

    IS NOT THE SAME QUESTION AS

    Q2: Does a girl / woman know HOW INTENSELY that female body behavior is AFFECTING the man?

    I’m pretty sure that Q2 is actually the question that is being discussed.

    And I doubt any woman alive has ever known the depths to which their behavior affects a man. Deti gave an accurate description that every guy not medically deficient in testosterone will recognize as true. Castrate the guy, and all of what deti described disappears. The affect that deti described is all created by a level of testosterone that most women will never have. Therefore, if the affect is caused by a level of testosterone that women will never have, how can they be lying when they say they don’t know / didn’t know the deep affect they have on a man until they were told?

    Most men will divert their attention to the girl / woman that is displaying in order to attract their attention. So girls / women will learn what behavior attracts the attention of men. But men who value their freedom do not generally ACT in the manner their testosterone is driving them to act (whack her on the head and drag her to their cave) in response to the displays of the female. And so girls / women have nothing to see to teach them that more is going on with the male than simply the fact that they attracted his attention with a particular behavior. I think Molly made this point well in what she posted.

    There is a proof of the pudding that I can’t find right now and I’m not going to go looking for it. But some woman said in print that she had no idea of the affect that females had on males when the females are being female – until she started taking large doses of testosterone to facilitate her transition to a “man” (gender, not sex). She suddenly understood that affect – in a way that no woman not taking large doses of testosterone ever will – even if they have been taught and so they have an intellectual understanding. Content knowledge vs. Process knowledge. In this case, most women have only Content knowledge, and are surprised when introduced to the Process knowledge.

    There used to be books called “Chicken Soup for the Soul”. In that vein of thought, I think Molly should take her comment about her grandmother to mother to her information, and her response to her husband because of that, and put it on a single page, put that single page into a single-paged book, and sell it. Title should be “What Every Girl Should Know”.

    I think it would cure a lot of problems for a lot of folks. Just that simple story Molly told.

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  241. Ame says:

    yes.

    thank you.

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  242. Ame says:

    Molly’s comments:

    molly
    1d ago
    Ame i was fortunate my dad did tell me about sex and effect on boys. He said females have no idea the power of testosterone like a dam bursting. Dad said if I doll my self up I am saying I am pretty and I am for sale. It is on my own head. I knew it anyway. Mum told me it all from when I was old enough to understand.

    molly
    1d ago
    Dad told me – “think of Tolkien’s Dwarf King, his lust for the gold treasure was so strong he lost his mind. The dwarf king’s lust is a mild obsession compared with testosterone. Women and low testosterone men have no way of understanding testosterone as we have nothing within ourselves to reference it by”.

    Gran taught mum and mum taught me, a high testosterone man who controls his lust has strong discipline and sense of purpose. He controls his emotions and not his emotions control him. Before they knew about hormones they called it high sexed men. My mum and grandma and great gran going way back married high testosterone men and I did as well. He is strong in mind and body. It means heaps and heaps of sex so mum told me how to surrender. Yo! GO HUBBY I love your high testosterone and it’s all concentrated on me right now (during sex). IT.IS.CONCENTRATED! WOW!!! I love my high sexed hubby! ❤ ❤ ❤ ❤ ❤❤ ❤ ❤ ❤ ❤ ❤ ❤ ❤ ❤ ❤ ❤ ❤ ❤ ❤ ❤ ❤ ❤ ❤ ❤ ❤ ❤ ❤
    I’m *not* as sexed up as him but he gets me into it LOL

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  243. Ame says:

    i asked Deti to argue this from the other side b/c i think it will show some interesting conclusions. these are some of the questions that get addressed:

    1. If males do not know that women/girls do not *understand* how females affect males, then . . .

    2. If males believe women/girls *know* (content and experiential knowledge) how females affect males, then . . .

    3. If women/girls had at least a conscious/content knowledge (like Molly’s Daddy gave her) of how women/girls affect males, then . . .

    – – –

    and this raises the question …

    ~ Do high testosterone men protect their wives and daughters more and/or differently than low T men?

    Molly’s Dad’s admonitions to her seems to indicate this.
    Ton not allowing his daughter to go to prom seems to indicate this.

    i think there’s a balance between dressing her in sack cloth and flaunting her beauty. if you want to create a cat fight among Christian women bring up this topic … and watch the women go at it and the men fade away.

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  244. Ame says:

    and flaunting her beauty

    should read: and flaunting her sexuality.

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  245. Ame says:

    Liz – this made me giggle:

    And this was a high school so there was a dress code of sorts

    i’m sure it’s changed some since i graduated and moved to texas (where i’ve lived since graduation) … but ‘dress code’ in high school in a florida beach town was … a very loosely defined ‘code,’ at least when i was there 😉

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  246. Liz says:

    Just reading through the thread again and I still don’t understand what happened here.
    Or why.

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  247. SFC Ton says:

    Easy
    No one is giving women enough credit or they are giving them to much credit

    To much credit on the selfawarness front
    To little credit in the ablity of women to completely believe in two diametrically opposing views at one time….. a skill that helps them be such devoted leftists

    This shit ain’t complex but it is convoluted

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  248. Farm Boy says:

    completely believe in two diametrically opposing views at one time

    That comment belongs on the “Studies Degree” thread

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  249. Liz says:

    Well, not sure if I’ve ever given an anecdote from my adolescent years before but I will chalk that down to a big, big mistake.

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  250. Farm Boy says:

    Well Liz, the whole situation touched a nerve, especially with Deti. Maybe best to not read too much into it all.

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  251. SFC Ton says:

    Ton2.0 went from Tom Boy to head turner during one 6 month deployment. Got home and had to correct her wardrobe. My daughter was stunned at the need for a different set of clothes. She knew shit had changed but hadn’t put it all together until I said who was letting her dress like a hooker. My ex wife thought I was overreacting because she was only 13. And it’s some powerful shit. Probably not realistic for think a 13 year old is on top of all that shit

    Doesn’t seem like all that uncommon exepeince for girls .

    I also caught her deliberately dressed like a hooker. Took her down meathead side of town, told her if I ever caught her dressed like that again I’d drop her off to earn her keep like the rest of the whores

    Also also caught her going out drinking one night when she was I her early 20’s. Ton- thought you were to broke to drink. Ton2.0- guys will buy my drinks for me. Ton- choices. Staying home or moving out and working on Bragg Blvd like the rest of the whores.

    This is the nature of girls. Until some man teaches them better.

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  252. Ame says:

    my sister looked 18 at 13. our dad is a wimp, our mom probably thought it was great. hence, within a few years she wouldn’t even begin to know her N count, and our brother had to get a few friends and some weapons and go pull her off the streets.

    why we need more Dads like Ton who get it and are willing and strong enough to do something about it and shut the mother down when necessary.

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  253. Ame says:

    Liz – don’t fret over that.

    this is a huge paradigm shift. it’s a foundational truth. if your foundation is false, then everything built upon that is false.

    Molly’s DAD told her the truth – *this* is how men are. if you advertise yourself, you’re on your own.

    Ton did the same.

    BV did the same.

    b/c girls do not know it.

    This is the nature of girls. Until some man teaches them better.

    and if men don’t realize that girls and moms don’t know this …

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  254. Cheque d'Out says:

    “Just reading through the thread again and I still don’t understand what happened here.
    Or why.”

    Errm it quite reasonably pressed the buttons of many men here. Reasonable to write what was triggering, reasonable to be triggered. Not got any complaint with anyone.

    What I am pretty impressed with is this subject was addressed and tempers were kept short of personal insult. (I haven’t read every comment) so; or close enough. I am certain that some had to bite their tongue.

    Cheers Guys and Gurls, it’s no secret that I’m focused elsewhere right now so I’m grateful that I don’t feel that I need to read every comment. And who knows when being able to make that comment will be useful (in theory only, perhaps)?

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  255. SFC Ton says:

    What I am pretty impressed with is this subject was addressed and tempers were kept short of personal insult.
    ………….
    Fuck! I failed this time but I’ll crush that shit next time. Promise

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  256. Cheque d'Out says:

    The Mighty Ton, I knew that you’d step up. I admire that in you. That and your mightiness Mightiness.

    Jollities aside, it’s obvious that you’ve trained up newbies to being soldiers. You know when to apply the mightiness and when it’s best not to.

    Gone 19:00 hours here, so Cheers

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  257. Ame says:

    totally unrelated to all the above (squeee! from Liz!)

    Ton- choices. Staying home or moving out and

    this made me giggle. my girls both live at home (21 and 19) and probably will for awhile … esp when they search the cost of living on their own and compare it with living practically free here 🙂

    guess i did a good job of stating the door is not locked from the outside b/c every once in awhile they’ll say something like, “I’m keeping my mouth shut because I like living here!”

    living here is a privilege … i’ve told them it doesn’t matter that they’re girls or they could end up on the street, if the want to live here, they will be respectful and follow the very few rules i require at their ages. choose wisely. so far they have.

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