Christmas Thread Of Good Cheer


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  1. Sumo says:

    Merry Christmas, you filthy degenerates.

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  2. SFC Ton says:

    Fix your shit yet little brother?

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  3. Larry G says:

    The day AFTER Christmas…

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  4. BuenaVista says:

    If Santa were any good, he’d of flown under that bridge. And what’s with the dude on the radio speaking in Scots? ICAO violation.

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  5. Ame says:

    Merry Christmas, Sumo!!!

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  6. Ame says:

    Merry Christmas, Ton!!!

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  7. Ame says:


    Merry Christmas, Larry!!!

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  8. Farm Boy says:

    Gratuitous image

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  9. Ame says:

    lol! have you flown under a bridge before? actually … i guess the question should be … how many bridges have you flown under 😉

    Merry Christmas, BV!!!

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  10. Ame says:

    Merry Christmas, Farm Boy!!!

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  11. Farm Boy says:

    In an appearance on Jimmy Fallon this week, singer Miley Cyrus gave the classic “Santa Baby” a feminist makeover by transforming it into an empowerment anthem about an independent woman who has already bought everything for herself and instead asks Santa for equal pay and #MeToo assurances.

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  12. Sumo says:

    Working on it. Things are improving slowly, but they’re improving, so I’ll call that a win.

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  13. BuenaVista says:

    Ya, I’ve flown under a bridge, but it was a tall bridge, not like this guy tuning the ADF to a radio station, singling along, and buzzing it at 250 knots. A live human flew this stunt; it’s not CGI.

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  14. BuenaVista says:

    The entire TV series is here. It has the best actual flying I’ve ever seen filmed. Some say that the only plane that approached a Spitfire in flying qualities was a Yak-50. They do fly similar numbers.

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  15. Sumo says:


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  16. SFC Ton says:

    The Ton wishes all y’all a merry Christmas and Peace in the new year

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  17. Farm Boy says:

    Where is the Kiwi Krew?

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  18. Farm Boy says:

    So without further ado, here are my favorite liberal nonsensical notions of 2018. Let the mockery begin!

    10. “Gender Fluidity”

    The Left has mounted a massive attack on basic gender reality. After mocking Republicans for being “anti-Science” on “climate change” they are celebrating their denial of X and Y chromosomes. On Colorado birth certificates, there are now four gender options to choose from: male, female, X and intersex. In Britain, children as young as 8 years old are being taught that boys can have periods too. “Transitions” from male to female are more celebrated than the reverse. What’s this all about? Let’s chalk it up to garden-variety misandry (hatred of men) and we’ll save more analysis for the New Year.

    9. “Criticism of the media is an attack on the 1st Amendment.”

    8. “Toxic Masculinity”
    Because masculinity is and will always be a threat to socialism. (See “Gender Fluidity”)

    7. “White Privilege”

    The first time you heard this, did you dismiss it as merely another load of liberal nonsense? It is, but it’s strategic and purposeful. This little ditty creates the perfect excuse to justify collective hatred toward people because of the color of their skin, by those who have been preaching tolerance and not to judge people because of the color of their skin. It’s brilliant really. How should we counter this? We could start by quoting Martin Luther King, since they don’t agree with him anymore: “I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character.”

    6. “Anti-Fascist” Fascists

    5. “Stripping for Equality”

    This one combines the feminist abhorrence for objectifying women with the strategy of doing it to yourself before they can do it to you. One might think that exposing our obvious biological differences would make the case for scientific proof of gender differences but I’m sure that’s not what they have in mind.

    4. “Safe” drug injection sites

    3. “Victim Feminism”

    From “I am woman, hear me roar,” to “I am woman, hear me whine.” Suddenly, Feminists have become the new puritans. In the service of their newest political agenda, they are shoving women back into gilded cages. Their main audience has no conception of history, so they are never mocked for this hypocritical about-face. That, and they don’t mind being hypocritical anyway.

    2. “Intersectionality”

    Another brilliant political tactic designed to claim moral superiority for what is actually intellectual laziness and the use of gross generalizations. (Didn’t liberals used to rail against that? Oh, never mind.) This encourages black civil rights activists to be as passionate about the environment and gay marriage as they are about race, and feminists to advocate in favor of men using women’s bathrooms.

    1. The politics of “ists” and “obes.”
    This of course, is the smear for all occasions. It can and will be used against you if you disagree with any of the preposterous ideas above. You don’t accept gay marriage? You’re a homophobe. You don’t agree with open borders? You’re a xenophobe. You dare to disagree with a black liberal even though they shred and destroy every black conservative? You of course, are a Racist! Racist! Racist!

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  19. Farm Boy says:

    It’s those values that upset Scardina and members of the Colorado Civil Rights Commission. Though they can’t say it explicitly, most progressives are fine with discrimination against religious groups. In their hierarchy of moral concerns, free expression isn’t nearly so concerning as the hurt feelings of aggrieved gay couples. And Colorado is again complicit in another attack on the Constitution. Until the Supreme Court comes down with a ruling that explicitly protects religious liberty from state-sponsored attacks on faith, they’ll keep trying.

    But it goes well beyond those legal concerns. Activists — including the commission — are trying to destroy a man for thought crimes. This state-sponsored harassment isn’t only about Phillips’ modest business in Lakewood, Colorado, though that’s surely part of it. It’s a warning to all those with unpopular opinions to stay in line

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  20. Merry Christmas to All and Sundry! (The Sundry around here know who they are.)

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  21. Farm Boy says:

    Where is the a Glorious Patriarch?

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  22. Spawny and Farm Boy and spawnyspace whanau merry Christmas and happy new year.

    Meri Kirihimete me te Hape Nū Ia

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  23. Farm Boy says:

    Here come The Kiwis

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  24. Farm Boy says:

    Merry Christmas to all down under peoples

    Merry Christmas to all of the up over peoples

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  25. Cillhouette says:

    Merry Christmas to Spawny and friends!

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  26. Ezzy says:

    A wish you all a very happy and safe Christmas

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  27. molly says:

    I wondered why Mum was taking so long.. she is reading everything and clicking all the likes!
    Ooooooooohhhhh…. makes me laugh. Luv ya mum ❤

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  28. molly says:

    Merry Christmas all y’all ❤
    LOL Ame!


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  29. molly says:

    Ya hear me Ame? Can’t say it any louder’n that
    (heh heh) (winky wink wink)

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  30. Guests says:

    Well another year has gone by and the “Guests” account is still here, open and ready to go. Merry Christmas, Spawny and fellow revellers.

    Roy and Biff

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  31. Guests says:

    MERRY CHRISTMAS from Wee Meddy and his mum

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  32. Guests says:

    Knucklebump Spawny. Good Xmas mate.


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  33. Guests says:

    From me too, MERRY CHRISTMAS

    Cill bro’s only upright brother

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  34. Merry Christmas to all! Hope you are having a blessed day! 🌲🎁🎄🎁🌲🎁🎄

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  35. Guests says:


    (from my parents’ ONLY upright son)

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  36. Ame says:

    Merry Christmas, Ezzy (Molly’s Mum?!)!!!

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  37. Ame says:

    Merry Christmas, Molly and Family! sorry … wasn’t online till now 😉 Hope it’s a wonderful season for you and yours 🙂 🙂 🙂

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  38. Ame says:

    Merry Christmas, Cill Bros!!!

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  39. Ame says:

    Merry Christmas, Cillhouette!!!

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  40. Ame says:

    Merry Christmas, Tom the Maori!!!

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  41. Ame says:

    Merry Christmas, Headhunter!!!

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  42. Guests says:

    Another year, another very merry Christmas to all of you from Northern Hemisphere and Singapore and Australia and all over … The party last night, best yet by golly!

    Sister #2

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  43. Cheque d'Out says:

    Merry Christmas everybody. May your hangovers be…survivable
    Says Spawny

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  44. Guests says:

    Well said #2! Best yet is right!
    Merry Xmas everybody!

    Molly cousin Kath (silly nom de guerre Kitty no more)

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  45. Cill says:

    If the words Merry Christmas appear just once more on my screen I’m gunner go blind so help me God.

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  46. Cheque d'Out says:

    Just watching Funeral in Berlin. Nice.

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  47. Cheque d'Out says:

    It’s a cheerier film than Fail Safe, which I just finished.

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  48. Guests says:

    Merry Christmas, dear!


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  49. Cill says:

    Well FTW

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  50. Cheque d'Out says:

    Stabbed in the back…shame.

    Can I wish you a Cheerful Boxing Day? Does that help?

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  51. Guests says:

    What does FTW mean? Or best not to ask?


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  52. Cheque d'Out says:

    Curious myself. Usually For The Win. But I’m open to other options

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  53. Cheque d'Out says:

    Not for Cill

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  54. SFC Ton says:


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  55. Guests says:

    I suspect “other options”, although I’ve been known to be wrong.

    Anyway FWIW, M—y C——-s


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  56. Cill says:

    “What does FTW mean? Or best not to ask?”

    The latter.

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  57. Cill says:

    Too late. Ton beat me to the punch.

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  58. Cill says:

    The cat is out off of the bag, head nailed to a tree and all.

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  59. Cheque d'Out says:

    I must be watching too many old films. Just seen my second paternoster in as many weeks. Too ‘dangerous’ for modern times, I expect.

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  60. Cheque d'Out says:

    It’s a theory

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  61. Larry G says:

    March 29, 2019

    Getting a supply of popcorn, party hats, beer and ammo laid in. This ought to be good if the politicians don’t totally fuck it up between now and then

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  62. Cheque d'Out says:

    I’m already set, Larry. By local standards.

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  63. Larry G says:

    “I’m already set, Larry. By local standards.” No last minute, frantic and totally dumb-shir preparations like some of these retards do here when hurricane is about to hit? Dang….

    Brexit, huh? I’ve haven’t seen so many Brits pull out since Madonna was dating.

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  64. Cheque d'Out says:

    Yeah, it’s not all bad news…

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  65. Guests says:

    “haven’t seen so many Brits pull out since Madonna was dating”

    Very Good! I’m fairly sure that’s another one my wife will see no second meaning to, bless her unjaded heart.

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  66. Guests says:

    In case you’re wondering, she’s used to having her leg pulled by husband and sons.

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  67. Guests says:

    I’m happy to leave it to my wordly-wise husband to know these things on my behalf. I keep him healthy because I need him around!


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  68. Guests says:

    Just reading some of the recent topics on spawnyspace, I’m reminded I’m an anachronism in this modern world. Roy is the only pwrson I’ve had sex with, and then not before we married. I had my older children while in my teens. My daughters and molly and most of their cousins on my side of the family are the same.

    Roy is less than 20 years older than his oldest child. He worked long hours 5 or more days a week. My life was my husband and children and I couldn’t talk about much else. I would have been devastated had my life been anything else. It would have destroyed me, as it is destroying women I know.

    My female ancestors have known for centuries women would destroy families if they were given the means, but the speed feminism has done it has been shocking.


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  69. SFC Ton says:

    The Ton salutes you and the Cill clan

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  70. Guests says:

    Thank you 🙂

    Liked by 1 person

  71. Stephanie says:

    Merry Christmas Spawny peeps!!!!!! Love seeing your comments again!!!!

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  72. Farm Boy says:

    Where is Choicy?


  73. Farm Boy says:

    Where is Moe?


  74. Ame says:

    that’s beautiful, Biff. thank you for sharing 🙂

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  75. Choicy says:

    I’m here mate. Me eyes are too busy for typing comments mate. You know how at the Oscars there is only about one bobby dazzler of a sheila at most. Here they are common as claws in a cattery. They come here from around the world once a year. Ask yourself my mates, where else would a digger be.

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  76. Sumo says:

    If the words Merry Christmas appear just once more on my screen I’m gunner go blind so help me God.

    Hope you had a Mighty Christmas, bro.

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  77. Cill says:

    Yeah bro. It’s high bloody time you and I had a bottoms up. Toast I mean. Shots. High balls. Cheers brother.


  78. Cill says:

    I’m well warmed up, having shots with hard core male rellies right now.
    Life is earnest, life is good, the grave is not (unless life becomes worthless*) the goal.

    *In which case you might as well use what’s left of it to go down in a blaze of defiance and contempt.

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  79. Sumo says:

    After dealing with my sister’s idiot boyfriend for the last two days (and not stabbing him in the eye – repeatedly), I’m about 4 craft beers into oblivion. I may have to dip into the cheap ass wine I used to cook a magnificent Christmas dinner for the Sumo Clan in order to achieve the aforementioned oblivion.

    And I’m still waiting on a certain ungainly giant to send me a sample of that sugar beer he used to brag about.

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  80. Ame says:

    Yummm … what was your menu?!


  81. Sumo says:

    Fantastic and amazing food. What else?

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  82. SFC Ton says:

    Sooooo what you are saying is someone else did the cooking?

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  83. Cheque d'Out says:

    Well…this could get interesting. The Mighty Ton is in a playful mood

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  84. Cheque d'Out says:

    Works either way

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  85. Farm Boy says:

    Those drooping eye glasses say “pompous asshole” to me


  86. Yoda says:

    She regrets the shortage from many perspectives, and many young women will be forced to go unmarried, there are not men so it is enough and moreover it will be more difficult with the reconstruction. She believes that young men are needed for the heavy construction work when streets and buildings are to be rebuilt.
    She wants the government to issue a permanent amnesty. Those who fled to avoid having to do military service should come back if they help build the country and she wants other countries to send home the Syrians.

    – The solution is to kick them out and get them to Syria where they can start building the country again says Lina,15700023,15700124,15700126,15700186,15700190,15700201,15700237,15700242,15700248&usg=ALkJrhh1dKiq2EHKZex0FyyY3Uf343i2Jw

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  87. Yoda says:

    Joy to the World!

    Merry Christmas everyone – here’s to a holiday filled with happiness, family, and love for all people. (Including refugee babies in mangers + their parents.)

    — Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (@Ocasio2018) December 25, 2018


    You really should read the Bible @Ocasio2018.

    Mother Mary and St. Joseph were NOT refugees.

    In fact, by traveling to The Town of King David as part of the Roman census, they were obeying national laws.

    Exactly the opposite of a refugee or an Illegal Alien.

    Facts: TRY THEM.

    — Sebastian Gorka DrG (@SebGorka) December 25, 2018

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  88. Yoda says:

    The reporter notes that a “photo with Santa is still a childhood rite of passage for many Americans,” but some parents have “begun questioning the way the culture approaches photos with Santa amid the #MeToo movement and a national conversation over how to teach young children about consent and physical boundaries.”


  89. Liz says:

    Hope you all had a blessed Christmas! 🙂

    Extended family just left. Think it went pretty well.
    We got through the one bathroom problem by giving everyone a small bucket.
    “Hey, there’s only one bathroom for all of us so here is your bucket….” 😆
    Well, the buckets were actually for bath supplies.
    Kind of like a dorm.
    Think Mike and I and the boys were the only ones who used our buckets.
    Ah, well…

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  90. Farm Boy says:

    Was it like this?

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  91. Liz says:

    “Was it like this?”

    Yes! Except rather than the “piss boy” we has “piss pups” (strapped the things to our dogs).

    Also discovered the oddness of high altitude baking. Bread was delicious, but flat on top. My pecan pies spilled over and the crust caramelized, twice (two different pies at different attempted temperatures).

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  92. Farm Boy says:

    A Kentucky man was arrested Sunday after he threw ham and other items at a woman while they were arguing over what day the family was hosting Christmas dinner, police said.


  93. Farm Boy says:

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  94. Cill says:

    Re: Patriarch at 9:46 am:

    “How to Live with a Huge Penis” by Michelle Obama

    In response, I would ask Michelle Obama “How Does A Huge Penis Live With Yours?”

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  95. Cill says:

    “Works either way”, said the Patriarch.

    [A reference to hole numbers that is?]


  96. Liz says:

    “A Kentucky man was arrested Sunday after he threw ham and other items at a woman while they were arguing over what day the family was hosting Christmas dinner, police said.”

    Mike is (fortunately) not so ham-fisted.

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  97. Cill says:

    “[A reference to hole numbers that is?]”

    And also, to:
    Instead of coming it went.

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  98. Cill says:

    The Obamas once during lent
    Found their trouser snakes battered and bent
    To save themselves trouble they both bent them double
    And instead of coming they went.

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  99. Cill says:

    Bugger. Here’s hoping Mum doesn’t read that one.

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  100. Farm Boy says:

    Similarly, the anti-Trump right-wing intellectual bristles at a political system that does not “appropriately” value their “expertise” and “superior” knowledge and which, consequently, elevates a “buffoon” like Trump to the presidency—and on the shoulders of millions of those “deplorables,” no less. Anti-Trump right-wing intellectuals traffic in information, the gold standard in today’s world, something upon which we are ever-more reliant. Yet, in this arena, the American electorate defied them and their harebrained “proposals,” offered coercively, not through persuasion. Brazenly so. Thus, they resent the man who smashed their pretensions of politics-as-white-paper-drafting-session and roundly repudiated their perceived “right to rule.”

    No wonder they hate him!


  101. SFC Ton says:

    How to live with a huge penis?

    Me? I tie my pecker to my leg. Secure it in 3 places. Unless I plan on doing some running.

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  102. SFC Ton says:

    Speaking of anti trump right wing…. itbdoes my heart good he is pulling us of hajji land and that sack of shit mattis rolled out early

    That’s a win right there

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  103. Liz says:

    I’m very glad we’re leaving Syria.
    But I liked Mattis and haven’t seen any reason to change my opinion yet.


  104. Liz says:

    Just to add, I’m open to evidence to the contrary…

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  105. SFC Ton says:

    He’s of the send men to die for warm fuzzies necon school of thought. As in him being a bitch about the troop pull out? How many more White men have to die chasing the impossible pc dream of turning 3rd world donkey raping morons into 1st world civilized humans? Which I would think is enough

    He did a shit job as…. well any of his high profile commands. Major battles or campaigns won? 0. Could damn near make a 20 year carer out of picking up his slop. The best thing he can tie his name to is taking down issi which had 0 to do with him and everything t9 do with Trump left the dogs of war off the chain

    In general I have yet to see high ranking marine officers do decent staff work. Very fond of sending in marines with little to no tactical support. Actively dismissive of borrowing support from other branches. Best I can marine staff officers enjoy getting young marines killed

    He is one of the many high ranking acomdators of all the pc bullshit officers…. which they have to be to get major commands like he had

    Mad dog mattis? How about sound bite mattis

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  106. SFC Ton says:

    Doesn’t take much thinking Liz you just have to have the right set of priorities and values.


  107. Liz says:

    Heh, thanks for the response, Ton.
    I thought he did a great job as Sec of Defense, but I didn’t follow his career path before that.
    His resignation to Trump sounded respectful to me. I’m assuming (based on his rank and the fact he was once CENTCOM commander) After years of working with Kurds and the folks against the Syrian government he’s probably developed a very close relationship with many of them…relationships that were, after all, our foreign policy for the years he held that position. In which case, he is in a position that would make it awkward to now carry out a policy which would be tantamount to a personal betrayal on his part. Trump made no promises, and there is no betrayal…but that might not be(highly likely isn’t) the case with Mattis. From that perspective, he’s right the “president deserves a person whose views are aligned”.
    Now, if he does a bunch of speaking engagements and/or book deal and betrays Trump (or does some Rolling Stone interview like McChrysal did) my opinion of Mattis would immediately change.


  108. Farm Boy says:

    The fall in IQ scores in the West is perhaps the most under-reported story of our era. For most of the twentieth century, IQ rose by around three points per decade globally, probably because of better nutrition. But that trend has recently gone into reverse in developed countries.

    You hadn’t heard? I’m not surprised. Journalists and politicians won’t go near the subject and you can see why. Consider the theories offered by neuroscientists for the decline. Some argued it had to do with the rising age of motherhood, because the children of older mothers tend to have lower IQs, other things being equal. No one likes to say this, because it can come across as “older moms have dumb kids,” which is not true. (My wife and I were 44 when our youngest child was born, and my own parents were also elderly, but that didn’t make me too thick to grasp the concept of statistical distributions.)

    Other theories were even more explosive. For example, that unintelligent people were having more kids, or that the fall in average scores reflected immigration from places with lower IQs.

    But a new study from Norway, which examines IQ scores from 730,000 men (standardized tests are part of military service there) disproves all these ideas, because it shows IQ dropping within the same families. Men born in 1991 score, on average, five points lower than men born in 1975. There must, in other words, be an environmental explanation, and the chronology throws up a clear suspect: the rise in screen-time.

    Kids brought up with Facebook and Instagram are more politically bigoted, not because they don’t hear alternative opinions, but because they don’t learn the concentration necessary to listen to opponents — a difficult and unnatural skill.

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  109. Cill says:

    In a rare moment of tryst Obama and wife
    Took themselves off to a room
    They argued all night as to who had the right
    To do which and with what and to whom


  110. Sumo says:

    Sooooo what you are saying is someone else did the cooking?

    Go ride a bike, hillbilly. 😀

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  111. SFC Ton says:

    The short version of what you wrote Liz

    Is he loves sand niggers more then young White men from his homeland who die over there.

    That’s a sack of shit no matter how you try to spin it. He is part of the machine that feeds young men into the meat grinder…. a meat grinder that does not extend, expand or protect the sovereignty and prosperity of the nation

    Fuck that. Burried to many brothers for no return on the investment of their lives, their limbs, their souls and minds to respect fuckers like that.

    Think of the friends Mike has lost
    Then think about the devastation of those familes
    Do the math. Then try to tell me it’s been worth it and fuckers like mattis are allright

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  112. Liz says:

    Okay, Ton point taken I won’t argue further.
    Not in favor of our Syrian intervention and never have been.
    There’s a reason Mike made the O7 list three of four times and declined that star each and every time.

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  113. Cill says:

    Hmm… what other acronym might Mum not know…

    Obama I’ve heard like any vain bird
    In tu-tus he liked to dress
    But when this great POTUS took the tu off
    He was left with P.O.S.

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  114. SFC Ton says:

    LOL if you got a case that the expenditure in lives, blood etc was worth it lay it down Liz.

    After 911 massive retribution was called for.

    What officers like mattis delivered was dead White men and failed nation building.

    That to me is a criminal failure in what officers owe their subordinates. Said officers were/ are retards who think nation building is possible in which case they are to stupid to entrust so many lives with. Or said officers put their carer above the lives of their subordinates. Which is criminal


    Way back in the day, my regimental commander told cilnton he was negatively impacting our ablity to conduct missions.

    He made 07. Couldn’t stop that but then he got carer killing assignments after that. He owns a construction company now.

    My old tier one boss was asked to retire and step dowm from his major command after giving a POTUS an honest answer

    So I know there have been honest men who wore stars and I know how it didn’t work out for them. I can’t imagine a guy with multiple stars having much in the way of integrity or brian power. And I doubt they promote retards that high up

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  115. Cill says:

    “I tie my pecker to my leg”

    When I’m going into situations where I know I’ll get a hard on (e.g. invited by M and her parents to dinner) I tape mine to my abdomen.

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  116. SFC Ton says:

    When I’m going into situations where I know I’ll get a hard on (e.g. invited by M and her parents to dinner) I tape mine to my abdomen.

    lol my abdomen aint long enough for the job


  117. Ame says:

    ummm … i feel stupid for asking … but what is ’07’ ?

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  118. Sumo says:

    It’s the DoD pay designation for brigadier general. Or 1 star general, to civilians.

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  119. SFC Ton says:

    LOL Why would that make you feels stupid?

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  120. Ame says:

    well … i tried to look it up, but nothing i read fit with y’all’s comments … so idk if i’m just not understanding it correctly? or being a silly woman 😉


  121. Ame says:

    ahhh, thank you, Sumo.

    now this makes sense: There’s a reason Mike made the O7 list three of four times and declined that star each and every time.

    that’s impressive, Liz.

    – – –

    Way back in the day, my regimental commander told cilnton he was negatively impacting our ablity to conduct missions.

    He made 07. Couldn’t stop that but then he got carer killing assignments after that. He owns a construction company now.

    grrr. but good for him – i hope his biz is super successful.

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  122. Ame says:

    19h ago
    Fantastic and amazing food. What else?

    well … i assumed that was a given! i was just wondering what fantastic and amazing foods honored those sitting at Sumo’s Christmas table 🙂


  123. Liz says:

    “what is ’07’ ?

    Heh, sorry Aime I should’ve been more clear.
    The last time he almost accepted the promotion, out of a sense of obligation (and guilt…he knew the folks in line to take the job if he didn’t, and most of them weren’t very good). But we’re very very glad he decided to retire from all that.

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  124. Ame says:

    it’s okay … i really don’t mind asking. i just felt a bit stupid when i looked it up and couldn’t figure out how what i read applied to what y’all were writing about … understanding it’s a 1 star general promotion made sense 🙂

    thank you for your patience 🙂


  125. Ame says:

    and i’m very happy he’s happy, and y’all are happy free from all that 🙂

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  126. SFC Ton says:

    My father in law had the same issue when they started to dangle a star in front of him. That was 20 years ago and a huge deal for the AF to offer a non aviator and former enlisted guy a star.

    He chose 75% of 06 pay and his farm.

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  127. Liz says:

    “He made 07. Couldn’t stop that but then he got carer killing assignments after that. He owns a construction company now.”

    The best Commander Mike ever had (who remains a very close friend) got his one star and no more…he was a pilot, but also worked with the special ops and Marines in Afghanistan for a year. He’ll never get that second star, they’re kicking him out. Other best Commander (we are only acquainted, but know his performance by reputation), got one star and then they worked to get rid of him too. He owns a tree farm now. Percentage wise, it’s easier to make 2-star than Major. You just have to understand one thing: They. own. you. If you don’t understand that, you’re going to suffer a lot and not really be in a position to help anyone much.
    I do know some good General officers who made it, but they’re not the same people as before. One of the reasons we live in Colorado now…when Mike told his boss (3 star) he was leaving, his boss asked where he planned on going….since Mike wasn’t sure and he knew he was flying for Southwest, he mentioned, “Ever consider Colorado?”
    Pretty sure he wished he made the same choice, back when.

    Just one more anecdote and then I’ll shut up about this:
    The last time he made the General’s list was the only time he agreed to make it public (on the Airforce wide list, only USAF see it). So everyone knew and was congratulating us. The other times he’d never made it public so no one knew. A few months later when he announced his retirement folks were kind of confused. I was asked a lot of questions. Told them truthfully “he doesn’t have any more gas in the tank” but it was a half-truth.
    He agreed to make it public for only one reason…he knew if he didn’t, after the position he held (it was a traditional O7 job), everyone would assume he did something wrong and couldn’t get promoted. That didn’t matter to him at all, but it mattered to me. So, for me he agreed to let them release his name on the list publicly. And that ends his (and my, we were married the year before he went in) 25 year career (22 years of active duty orders).

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  128. BuenaVista says:

    Congratulations on your very fine career, Liz. And your retained independence of mind and spirit.

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  129. BuenaVista says:

    Between Liz and The Ton and their anecdotes, it’s interesting to me how men who come home from wars just want to farm.

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  130. BuenaVista says:

    It’s now a civil rights violation at the U. of Missouri to ask a woman out on a date, if you’re taller. (Granted, we’re talking about Missouri.)

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  131. mgtowhorseman says:

    Farming is peaceful.
    You fight physically and mentally to pull the good from the land, to laugh in the face of the storm, to spit back in the face of that bitch Mother Nature.
    But no one is actively trying to kill you. Oh animals and equipment will maim or kill you in a blink but its your own inattention not being ambushed.
    You think strategically on the seasons, tactically on the land, instinctively doing the work.
    You are in command, you eat or starve by the quality of your decisions.
    You go to bed the good tired and wake up refreshed.
    You see life and death and rebirth every day in the stock, the critters, the fish, the crops.
    Farming is wind in your hair, ice in your beard, sunburn on your shoulders.

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  132. mgtowhorseman says:

    Most of all the farm is yours. Period.
    I did this.
    I built this.
    I grew this.

    Every day you see exactly what you achieved.

    Not moving paper from here to there.

    And the only assholes are those fucking gophers making goddamn holes all over.

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  133. RichardP says:

    There is a reason a civilian is placed in charge of the military in the U.S. That civilian [should] act as a control over the military ambition of military men. The reverse of that doesn’t seem to be considered much – when it is the civilian in control that has the mlitary ambition and it is the mlitary men who keep asking “and then what?”

    Mattis has now been fired by a Democrate President and a Republican President. Most likely, it seems from the linked article, because he kept asking “and then what?”. Mattis seems to think that it is a good idea, when one is making a choice, to have a good idea of the likely consequences many steps out that will result from the choice being made and implemented. Can’t say that I disagree with that.


  134. BuenaVista says:

    Mattis left because he couldn’t answer the question, “When the fuck do we get out of here?”

    All executives manage according to objective functions. That’s a mathematical term. Any optimization algorithm requires it. People like Richard think killing American boys and men indefinitely is an objective function justifying their deaths.

    Trump just asked, “So, we’re there. What are we doing and what constitutes success? When do we achieve that success?” Good luck asking generals those questions. They just say, like robots, “If you just give us more men and time and money, we’ll sort it out.”

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  135. SFC Ton says:

    I know how pissed the Army was when I said no thanks to a promotion. One ass clown asked about getting a commission….. would be funny to see how pissed they get when a fella says no thanks to big jobs.

    I thought about the commission though. Platoon level shit was one of my great passions in life. Was. On Christmas I watched my newest grandson take his 1st couple of steps and a righteous header.

    Wasn’t sure what I wanted to do when I retired. I settled into the high risk contract stuff because I wasn’t really ready. Then one day I got tired of being shot for dumb shit only retards with ivy league educations could dream up….. which oddly enough was right around the time I realized how much cash I stacked up

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  136. SFC Ton says:

    Try this again

    In my life time officers and civilian leadership have not had the balls to ask what’s next and come up with the correct answer. At most they ask what’s next and the answer is more lives, limbs and money for nation building.

    They are retards or lack the balls to say there ain’t no what’s next. We’ll go there, bust all their shit, kill all their men etc etc because they fucked up and earned the devastation.

    The war on drugs a failure because leadership couldn’t define winning in any acceptable poltical terms

    The war on terror is a failure because leadership couldn’t define winning in any acceptable poltical terms

    They lacked the man hood for the job. Each and every fucking one of them. But what the hell the smart guys with stars and civilians don’t have to pay at price for their weakness so I guess it’s no big deal

    I tend to hate civilians who think they know what’s going on. Every one once in awhile one will have some boots on the ground time and know what’s up. Pretty fucking rare but it does happen. Most of the time they are just flapping their fucking gums without any skin in the game

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  137. Ame says:

    that is crazy, BV. crazy.


  138. BuenaVista says:

    I’ve been reflecting on Mattis and The Ton’s comments on same.

    Like most civilians I admire the public descriptions of Mattis: salty, loves the field, carries Marcus Aurelius into direct action, possesses immediate rapport with grunts, will tell you to your face what’s going to happen if you make the wrong choice. Never got twisted around the sexual politics axle, was honest enough to get fired by Obama. I admire the way he resigned: graceful, clear, concise.

    After Obama fired him, he drove across the country to Stanford. But he hopscotched his way, visiting the families of men who’d died under his command. He didn’t have to do that.

    OTOH, the only flag officer I knew and worked with, whom I could stand, was my next-door neighbor. At one point he was the youngest one-star in the USN — but was appointed the Navy’s liason to the US Congress. So of course all the other admirals hazed him nonstop: Bullshit like making him their orderly on the Gulfstream when they traveled en groupe. Rick quit to marry Patsy, who was married to someone who’d been in his P-3 squadron in Keflavik. (He was a P-3 driver, 10 hour shifts 50′ above the North Atlantic, or something.) They’d been in love for 20 years, but you all know that affairs end careers in that business. I saw some hellacious fights — fights like Maureen O’Hara and John Wayne in “The Quiet Man”, only Rick didn’t drag her home by her belt — but every morning he left her a note of some sort expressing his love. In summer I would be in my rose garden at sunup and then we both would depart by 6 to swim through the traffic, him to Crystal City (defense contractor city), me elsewhere.

    Per Ton’s remarks, and The Liz, he couldn’t take the politics, and he quit.

    Back to Mattis.

    I am also an executive. Every project has a payoff, or it better have a payoff. That means there’s a beginning, middle and end, to everything, that everybody signs up to execute.

    All Trump did with Mattis, I suspect, was ask: “Okay, we’re in Syria. We’re in Syria because we were in Benghazi. We were in Benghazi because we blew up Libya. No one remembers why we were in Libya. So now I’m writing letters to next-of-kin regarding Syria.

    “How is killing and dying in Syria improving our country?

    “What do we have to do to finish this fucking project?

    “Is this another AfPak? Are your successors going to be having this conversation with President Ivanka in 15 years?

    “Quoting Petraeus to Tom Ricks, 2003: ‘Tell me how this ends.'”

    I suspect Mattis is deeply worried about the Kurds and has personal assurances to them that we wouldn’t leave them high and dry. That makes withdrawal unacceptable, if your word is your bond.

    I’m with the Trumpster, though. If we can’t finish the damn project, we should cancel it and let them kill each other — not American boys — for another 1000 years. I loathe these Acela-bubble generals, apparatchiks and politicians. Their contempt for Americans is beyond description.

    I hope that Mattis goes home to a fine hobby farm in eastern Washington state– in the grasslands — and cultivates fruit trees and his library.

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  139. BuenaVista says:

    A business reflection on the endless, permanent wars: Bad business people extend bad projects “because we have so much invested.” This is the infamous “sunk cost” principle. Every bureaucrat in a corporation who ever promoted a project that doesn’t work is susceptible to it. (“Sunk cost” means money and resources we already invested, so the erroneous thinking goes that they must be recovered through some fucking miraculous turnaround. There are no miraculous turnarounds in life.)

    So all value is created on the margin. Anything spent yesterday is gone. All value is created on the margin, tomorrow. Bidnessmen like Trump don’t honor bad prior investments by burning more value tomorrow. “End it” they say. “Kill it, end it, wind it up, I don’t even want to talk about it again.” This is one of the top three maxims for entrepreneurs, I’d say. It is certainly one that kills more businesses than the error of hiring your brother or best friend.

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  140. mgtowhorseman says:

    Too much military decisions are based on the sunk costs fallacy.

    We can’t leave or it will all have been in vain.
    As Ton and BV said, it was in vain before we landed because there was no plan for success.

    THE Only success of any warfare is either the total annihalation of the enemy or their total surrender. Since WWII that has been impossible. Urban fighting require scorched earth as the enemy can just slink away.

    And scorched earth is not acceptable to the politicians.

    Modern warfare should be either small land grabs like Putin taking Crimea (not sayin its right but it was militarily achievable) or defense of your border.

    Anything else bogs down.

    Trump is right. Except for Mexico and Canada, the U.S. is untouchable.
    Let everyone else fight their own.

    Saravo airport was 25 years ago. The Bosnians still hate the Serbs.
    I did fuck all to change that.

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  141. mgtowhorseman says:

    Sunk costs mean fuck all in war.
    The dead are dead.
    Its the still living you consider.

    The question is…

    See that young man over there. He WILL be the next casualty. Do you really want to kill him?

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  142. SFC Ton says:

    To me it’s all about what you value

    If you value the life of your subordinates you don’t keep getting them killed for failed ideals and stupid reasons.

    I value the lives of Christian White men. Therefore I have to be anti bush, anti obama, anti mattits, anti anti russian etc etc etc

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  143. SFC Ton says:

    Bosina was all a fucking lie. All three sides where doing tge same shit. The Serbs were better then the other sides but our evil…. I mean glorious leaders decided moslem lives mattered more then the lives of Christians. Some how that was supposed to buy us peace with the islamic world.

    Like I said, it takes a college education to be that fucking stupid.

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  144. RichardP says:

    @BV said: People like Richard think killing American boys and men indefinitely is an objective function justifying their deaths.

    BV – there is no way you can logically get from what I wrote to what you wrote that I just quoted. So I assume that your quote is about people like me, and not about me specifically. (For the record, I do not think the thoughts you laid out in that quote of yours above.)

    I will say again, in a slightly different way: Mattis seems to think that it is a good idea, when one is making a choice, to have a good idea of the likely consequences many steps out that will result from the choice being made and implemented. Which is pretty much what everybody here is saying also.

    The article I linked to has this quote in it about why Obama fired him: he [Mattis] rubbed civilian officials the wrong way .. because he pushed the civilians so hard on considering the second- and third-order consequences of military action against Iran. Some of those questions apparently were uncomfortable. Like, what do you do with Iran once the nuclear issue is resolved and it remains a foe? What do you do if Iran then develops conventional capabilities that could make it hazardous for U.S. Navy ships to operate in the Persian Gulf? He kept saying, “And then what?”

    Seems he did the same with Trump re. abondoning the Kurds: Let’s teach the world that our word means nothing, and then what?.

    BV – say something that lets me know you actually get what my point was in my previous post – where I said: There is a reason a civilian is placed in charge of the military in the U.S. That civilian [should] act as a control over the military ambition of military men. The reverse of that doesn’t seem to be considered much – when it is the civilian in control that has the mlitary ambition and it is the mlitary men who keep asking “and then what?”

    The civilian (Obama) was the one who wanted to go after other countries, and the military (Mattis) was the one trying to put a check on that ambition by asking “and then what?”> The civilian (Trump) is the one wanting to abandon promises made and the military (Mattis) is the one raising the issue of consequences by asking “and then what”? That is kinda the opposite of what the founders of our country thought would happen. However, I think Congress should ride herd on the civilian head of the military (the President) when he gets carried away with military ambition. They don’t seem to be doing a good job of that.


  145. Ame says:

    On Christmas I watched my newest grandson take his 1st couple of steps and a righteous header.

    ahhhhhhh!!!!! 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂


  146. Ame says:

    i’ve told my girls since they were old enough to squabble … “I don’t care who started it; I care who ends it.” not that who started it *never* needs to be addressed … but just that there’s a time to just stop.

    y’all have made me feel great about that way of parenting 🙂


  147. BuenaVista says:

    Richard, we’re not going to interact, so you should probably command other people to respond to you.


  148. SFC Ton says:

    Deeds not words

    mattis etc all deeds show they do not value the lives of their country men because they are willing to spend those lives for nebulous gains. Nebulous gains at best

    Part of Trump appeal to working class Whites was his promise not to piss away our lives. Which is highly unusually for a wealthy/ educated etc American

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  149. Liz says:

    “Bosina was all a fucking lie. All three sides where doing tge same shit. The Serbs were better then the other sides but our evil…. I mean glorious leaders decided moslem lives mattered more then the lives of Christians. Some how that was supposed to buy us peace with the islamic world.”

    I remember not long after we saved them they created a bunch of underground terrorist networks. Some folks on the ground uncovered some detailed plans to bomb large US amusement parks. This is who they are. This is what they do.

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  150. Farm Boy says:

    Odd that you never hear much talk about fighting on the wrong side in that war

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  151. mgtowhorseman says:

    And then what?

    Not our fucking problem.
    U.S. and Canada have food, oil, water enough for all.

    We no longer need the middle east or africa or asia.

    China and Russia need to be checked but they like us are content with their borders.

    The first world can sabre rattle and trade war but they prosper better with each other than without.

    The third world has been fighting for a thousand years. Let them.

    Not my kin, not my country, not my problem.

    I have seen enough futile blood.

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  152. Liz says:

    “Odd that you never hear much talk about fighting on the wrong side in that war”

    The blue dress, cigars, and such were shiny object distractions. Some folks tried to bring up the illegal war but they were shouted down by the masses.
    Thinking people: “He just ignored a Congressional veto on this military action…”
    Masses: “Stop talking about his sex life you perverts! Stick to the issues!”

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  153. Liz says:

    They gave the pilots a good pep talk before the first sortie.
    Told them the Serbs were ready to stage an execution on the ground for the first pilot they caught, the media was ready and it would be on television for families to watch, in real time.

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  154. thedeti says:

    Mother Mary and St. Joseph were NOT refugees.

    In fact, by traveling to The Town of King David as part of the Roman census, they were obeying national laws.

    They were traveling from their shithole town of Nazareth to Bethlehem, the regional population center, to…


    They weren’t refugees. They were TAXPAYERS.

    Good call, Master Yoda.

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  155. BuenaVista says:

    My word, Liz. You had babies then. That’s grotesque.

    I don’t know, either, the utility of telling the pilots this lurid crap. Rule No. 1 is always, Don’t get captured. I should think they would have internalized that already.

    Back in DC my other next door neighbor flew A-6’s in that war, and three doors down was a Hawkeye (E2C) aviator. I asked the latter once, Aren’t you the first motherfucker they shoot down? I mean he’s tooling around in circles going 200 knots all by himself in the dark. Didn’t seem like much fun.

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  156. RichardP says:

    @BV said: Richard, we’re not going to interact …

    No interaction necessary. Just – if you are going to comment on a post I make, at least comment on the point I’m making. So far, you are not doing that. Putting words in my mouth that I haven’t spoken, or thoughts in my head that I don’t actually have, doesn’t reflect well on your otherwise interesting posts. Thoughtful uncertainty (which leads to questions for clarification) is always better than cocksure ignorance.


  157. thedeti says:

    I’m with the Ton and BV. I’m tired of spending American blood and treasure on third world shitholes. I’m tired of trying to force “democracy” on people who are still settling centuries-old scores with each other. injecting ourselves into tribal conflicts we know nothing about. They don’t want democracy and they couldn’t do it even if they wanted to.

    This might be controversial, but: The israelis are doing fine defending themselves. Let them dominate and be the most influential world power in the Middle East. They are anyway. Pound for pound the Israeli armed forces run roughshod over every Arab/Muslim nation that attempts war with them.

    We’re done in SE Asia. Let them take care of themselves.

    We should be done in Europe. Let them take care of themselves too.

    Every foreign policy and military decision should begin and end with “what is the US’s interest” “what are the objectives” “how will we achieve the objectives” and “what will we define as ‘the objective has been achieved'”. That’s it. What job will be done, how will it get done, and what will we decide is “finished”. If it’s not finished within a certain timeframe, then you abandon it and let the chips fall where they may.

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  158. SFC Ton says:

    Any and all generals who opposed to pissing away the lives of White men could have publicly resigned their commsion

    Fair certain none did.

    Though lots of junior officers elected to leave the military because of it


  159. BuenaVista says:

    FB, Cill, Spawny: please delete the comments by the guy whose initials are DE.

    I’m sorting out a new computer and WordPress peculiarities.


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