Doing It All Wrong


Girl, I can’t let you do this
Let you walk away
Girl, how can I live through this
When you’re all I wake up for each day?
Baby, you’re my soul and my heart’s inspiration
You’re all I’ve got to get me by
You’re my soul and my heart’s inspiration
Without you baby, what good am I?
I never had much goin’
But at least I had you
How can you walk out knowin’
I ain’t got nothin’ left if you do?
Baby, you’re my soul and my heart’s inspiration
You’re all I’ve got to get me by
You’re my soul and my heart’s inspiration
Without you baby, what good am I, oh what good am I?
Baby, I can’t make it withoutcha.
And I’m, I’m tellin’ ya, honey-you’re my
reason for laughin’, for cryin’, for livin’, and for dyin’.
Baby, I can’t make it without you
Please, I’m begging you baby
If you go it will kill me
I swear it, Dear, my love can’t bear it

Here we have a mid 1960’s tune.  A girl wants to leave a guy.  How does he respond?  It probably depends on your perspective, with era being a driving factor.

In the mid 1960’s, there were still remnants of the Evil Patriarchy in place.  Women were expected (at least a little bit) to marry, and marry young.  The potential husbands were raised above the optional wives by societal norms.  So a fella could conceivably “get away” with the response above.

What was the response?  Let us start with this line, “When you’re all I wake up for each day?”.  This might have worked back then with respect to showing devotion, and alleviating her anxiety with respect to future resources, which was an issue with women at the time, as they were expected to depend on men for that.  In the modern world, with many sources of resources available, it just doesn’t do much,  Furthermore, it is the antithesis of ZFG (zero Fucks Given), which drives so many modern tingles.

Then there is this line, “Without you baby, what good am I?”.  What a tingle killer.  Once again, for reassurance of resources, this was maybe an effective gambit at the time.  Not so any more.  With hypergamy unleashed, women demand men stronger and “independenter” of what she viewed herself to be.

“I never had much goin'”.   Oh my goodness.  With hypergamy on the prowl, a man should never admit this.  With most modern women, sympathy is not to be expected.  It was taught to girls/young women of old; but those days are long gone.

“Please, I’m begging you baby”.  I suppose that playing on the sympathy card might have worked when women were taught empathy.  These days, this is just loss of frame.

Times have changed.  It is difficult to imagine such a tune being released today.
Addendum by Deti:

We’ve had the “baby I can’t live without you” songs well up into the 80s when I was in high school and college.

Examples: Any Bryan Adams song about a woman (Straight From the Heart, Cuts Like A Knife, Run To You, Have you Ever Really Loved a Woman)

Most Christie Brinkley era Billy Joel songs (Tell Her About It, Keepin the Faith, Uptown Girl, Baby Grand)

Foreigner’s ballads (Waiting For A Girl Like You)

Now? We have

“Bitches Ain’t Shit but Hoes and Tricks”

“I Got 99 Problems and a Bitch ain’t one”

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Gradually, over time, we have gone from a time where women respected men as human beings, and respected their superior strength–

to a time where women don’t respect ANY men, not even their fathers, brothers, husbands or sons. Men are now utilities to be used and then discarded after their usefulness is gone; and women are entitled to use men for whatever they want or need.

We have gone from a time where men loved women, or at least liked them enough to want to lay it all on the line to get one, men considered getting a woman as a lifelong companion and mate to be all important–

to a time where men hate women. Women are for sex and not much else, and if a man can’t get sex from a woman, then he has no need to even address women. If you can get sex from women, you get it from as many as you can; if you cannot or choose not to then you just avoid them. Men are much, much more reluctant to intervene for a woman if she’s in peril or needs something; and intervening for a damsel in distress can cost a man his life.

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239 comments on “Doing It All Wrong
  1. earl says:

    ‘It is difficult to imagine such a tune being released today.’

    Not really…most of the hit pop artists have some woman worshiping nonsense song on the docket. I hear this one at the gym all the time.

    It’s not that times have changed…it’s that more men are finally starting to wake up to the fact you shouldn’t be worshiping women because it does you no good.

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  2. Farm Boy says:

    The 60s and 70s were full of these types of tunes

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  3. Wayne says:

    In 1960, about half of the women were married by the age of 20. In this environment, showing a little beta game had many benefits. Now, when half of women are married at age 30, it’s a lie-ability. Women like to be lied to, but the SMP changes the flavor of certain lies.

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  4. mgtowhorseman says:

    We give a fuck…..why?

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  5. mgtowhorseman says:

    The love wanted in Unchained Melody (probably the greatest love song ever)
    Does Not Exist
    Never Existed Ever
    Will Never Exist.

    At least we know that now.

    So…give a fuck about women…..why?

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  6. Farm Boy says:

    We give a fuck…..why?

    We give a rip because we want guys not to fall into this trap.

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  7. Farm Boy says:

    To complete things, here is the song played the most on the radio from the last century

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  8. Liz says:

    So…give a fuck about women…..why?

    Survival of the species?

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  9. honeycomb says:

    Remember that womminz who sez she’s been carrying-on with ghosts?

    I have it on good authority this is her fav’ song ..

    She ain’t ‘fraid of no ghost .. bwhaaaa

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  10. earl says:

    When a woman loves a ghost she can never be alpha widowed.

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  11. earl says:

    And I don’t know if it has anything to do with it at all…but I’ll state it anyway.

    Giving women the right to vote makes them crazy enough to get engaged to ghosts. Repeal wimminz suffrage.

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  12. SFC Ton says:

    Liz says:
    1 November, 2018 at 1:00 am
    So…give a fuck about women…..why?

    Survival of the species?
    …..

    LOL silly rabbit! If thats what we wanted women would be kept as brood mares. Which doesn’t require giving a fuck about women beyond the need for healthy breeding stock.

    You can always tell the non farm kids

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  13. Larry G says:

    So…give a fuck about women…..why?

    Survival of the species?

    LMAO! Oh wow, so the human race existance depends ONLY on dysfunctional western women’s popping out enough mini-me’s to keep the game going?? Um, no?
    Feminist infected females that have polluted western society are not the only choices for men who still want wives and families. Just fish in a different pond!

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  14. Farm Boy says:

    Crazy, crazy times

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  15. RichardP says:

    Both You’ve Lost That Lovin’ Feeling and Soul and Inspiration were composed by the husband and wife team of Barry Mann (music) and Cynthia Weil (lyrics). (their compositions)

    “Unchained Melody” was composed for the movie Unchained by two guys. It is a “prison film”. The lyrics reflect the longing of the film’s lead for his wife and family.

    horseman – that particular version of love expressed in the song may not exist, but the longing for that version of love does exist – probably in every man. All behavior is motivated, and that longing has motivated the behavior of men throughout history. The behavior motivated by that longing has created some very wonderful things as well as some very horrific things.

    Folks who study this issue have concluded that men have a job to do regarding love before they can truely become men. There is the kind of love that a mother gives her son(s) and the kind of love that a wife gives her husband. They are not, and cannot be, the same. When folks at Dalrock’s place talk about men loving idealistically and women loving practically, they are essentially talking about this issue. Research and real life shows that a man needs to leave behind his frame formed in mothers love and create the frame required in order for him to “rule over her” in the way that is needed for marital “love” to flourish and flow both ways. Until a guy makes this transition, he will not be truely operating in a “man” frame with his woman.

    Folks who study this issue tend to think that a man’s idealistic love for his woman (the kind horseman thinks is expressed in “Unchained Melody”) springs from his expectation that he can continue to get the type of love his mother gave him from his woman. Until he learns that he cannot, comes to accept that, learns the type of love actually available from his woman and what he must do to generate that response, and moves on with his life, he cannot create a mature bonding of man and his woman (not mother) or husband and his wife (not mother).

    And mom cannot teach son this. Only dad can (or a father figure), but only if they themselves know this.

    Horseman may be right. The particular version of love horseman hears expressed in “Unchained Melody” may not exist. But the desire for that version of love (basically, mother’s love) is stong in many men. One can sell men many things if they can link satisfaction of that longing with the use of whatever needs selling. Like songs. And movies. And shaving cream. And service in the Armed Forces. Etc.

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  16. RichardP says:

    I meant to draw attention to the fact that the lyrics for “Soul and Inspiration” and “You’ve Lost that Lovin’ Feeling” were composed by a woman. She can only know a woman’s sensibilities, not a man’s. So they no doubt express sentiments that men generally would not express.

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  17. Farm Boy says:

    [Hillary on the cover that is?]

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  18. Farm Boy says:

    Politically incorrect

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  19. RichardP says:

    I referred to women loving “practically”. Technically, the word used at Dalrocks was “opportunistically” I believe. In my mind, in terms of what is being discussed about woman’s love, those two terms mean the same thing. Loving opportunistically is loving practically.

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  20. Cheque d'Out says:


    It seems that you can only speak the obvious truth when you’re a retired woman. Still, good on her.

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  21. Cheque d'Out says:

    LOL silly rabbit! If thats what we wanted women would be kept as brood mares. Which doesn’t require giving a fuck about women beyond the need for healthy breeding stock.

    You can always tell the non farm kids

    I like The Mighty Ton when he’s dark the best. Feels like a kindred spirit

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  22. SFC Ton says:

    …. the longing for that version of love does exist – in every immature man……..

    Fixed that for you

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  23. SFC Ton says:

    Dark? Naw boss that’s reality. Survival is its own morality and to think if our survival was that seriously at risk we wouldn’t come up with a solution is silly.

    Women kept as brood mares. Artificial wombs, weird gene shit…. I reckon we have answers but The Ton is a simple man and understands animal husbandry( to am extent) and not more formal science stuff so brood mares it is.

    A roll most bitches would like just fine truth be told

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  24. Cheque d'Out says:

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  25. Cheque d'Out says:

    Being dark while being accurate about reality is the bestest dark there is

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  26. Farm Boy says:

    NPCs Arguing for NPC Rights. It’s just too perfect. This is all so perfect. The author is the Ultimate NPC Stereotype, a pink-haired trans basically arguing that a male pursuit, the videogame, should more resemble a female pasttime, a soap opera where you just watch the NPCs have their own stories.

    Their idea of the perfect “video game” is just Season 3 of Orange Is the New Black, but where you hold a controller and pretend to make your trans inmate walk around…

    This is just so completely NPC — taking the tired, subretarded idea of “decentering” whatever person is “privileged” to be the center of attention — here, the human player of a videogame — and basically arguing that the human player’s “privilege” be “decentered” in favor of “marginalized” actors, like non-sentient imaginary characters in a videogame. To what end? So that the the NPCs, which are not capable of being interested or experiencing enjoyment or feeling anything at all, can… not feel the special “privilege” of being central to the story? It’s so fucking retarded I’d swear Don Lemon said it and yet it was this trans with the completely not-made-up name of “Heather Alexander.”

    Coming Soon: Should the human consumer of soup be “decentered” from his position of “privilege” in the soup-consumption process so that the more marginalized actor, the inanimate spoon, can be elevated to a position of centrality and agency?! Stay tuned, we’ll soon find out!

    I renew my call for a National Divorce, separating the country so that sentient human beings and human-shaped robots we know as “NPCs” may never interact or even hear of each other again.

    http://ace.mu.nu

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  27. A question the song doesn’t answer is did this approach work? In 1960? Would it now? Or why she’s leaving in the first place. Was it bc he was already doing too much of this, or not enough until it was too late? We can only speculate…

    In general if someone is set on leaving, this sort of display from either a guy or gal probably will not stop it from happening. If they want to leave the feeling expressed in the song is obviously not mutual. Is trying to convince someone to stay under such circumstances wise, anyway?

    I would say no. If they are the leaving type let them go. You will thank yourself later.

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  28. In more upbeat news the girls cleaned up w the trick or treating this year and a good time was had by all. I am not sure what we will do with all this candy as none of us are “sweets” people really but looks like we are stocked for the next six months!

    Snickers, anyone? Twix? Reece’s Peanut Butter? Milk Duds? Red Twists? Sour Patch Kids? Gummy Worms? Starburst? Help yourselves! (Dumps a pillow case of candy on the table!)

    [Skittles there are?]

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  29. mgtowhorseman says:

    Ton at 157. Wins the internet. Kills the what about the children arguement. (Brood mares snicker ;))

    Richard. It is about the motivation. Bingo.

    And all society is doing is killing that. Making it not jusdt out there but blatant that the love does not exist.

    Proof? Two words. Raj Kuthrepalli.

    Big bang had to evolve so there was hope even for geeks. Otherwise after two seasons it would get pathetic. So they all advanced as the geek versions of the archtypes.
    Harold won by being a hounddog. Sheldon by being arrogant and unemotional. Leonard by giving Penny stuff, buying her.

    Raj? Idiot still believes. The romantic. The guy getting arranged marriage.
    Why?
    It works. Even masked we all know the truth and react instintively.

    So when its that blatant how does the game go on??

    As the Soviets learned
    You pretend to love me, I pretend to support you.

    So I keep asking why (besides warning others) Why do it.

    Because women wants? Men dont care.
    Because its good for men? Divorce court
    For the kids? Paternity tests
    For the species? See Ton above.

    What happens when there is no motivation? How does important shit get done?

    Oh yeah, as we are seeing….it doesn’t.

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  30. mgtowhorseman says:

    I get more true affection from the ponies than 99% of the men on the planet.

    I take care of them and they willingly work for me.

    We truly understand, respect and have affection for each other.

    How many men say that honestly about any woman?

    P.s. for decades I believed hard. I mean real hard.

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  31. Larry G says:

    Horseman,
    “Because women wants? Men dont care.
    Because its good for men? Divorce court
    For the kids? Paternity tests
    For the species? See Ton above.”

    You keep wanting these pathetic females to understand/change/care/desire/become honest….dude, it ain’t going to happen. May as well try to teach turds to dance, same effect

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  32. Larry G says:

    Ton has it 100% dead center correct, use them how they are biologically meant to be used and don’t worry about the rest of the silly bullshit

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  33. Fnu Mnu Lnu says:

    How about visiting a local old persons facility, and doing a reverse trick-or-treat for the seniors? The kids can put their costumes on, and learn about the joy of paying things forward.

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  34. Liz says:

    “Snickers, anyone? Twix? Reece’s Peanut Butter? Milk Duds? Red Twists? Sour Patch Kids? Gummy Worms? Starburst? Help yourselves! (Dumps a pillow case of candy on the table!)

    After football practice we had a team dinner last night. Afterwards, someone brought a bunch of those assortment bags of chocolate candy. By the end of the night, only woppers and heath bars were left. I understood why no one ate the woppers (they suck) but heath? Chocolate covered toffee is great!

    I asked one of the boys and turns out they thought it said, “Health” not Heath. Guess they all read it that way. Just wanted to share because I thought it was funny 😆

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  35. Liz says:

    How about visiting a local old persons facility, and doing a reverse trick-or-treat for the seniors? The kids can put their costumes on, and learn about the joy of paying things forward.

    I think that’s good advice for anyone. Spending some time helping the elderly at one of those facilities very much puts life into perspective.

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  36. 80% of those old folks have diabetes…

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  37. Fnu Mnu Lnu says:

    Doesn’t mean they can’t enjoy one piece of candy every now and then.

    More importantly, they’d probably just chuck the candy, and enjoy and appreciate the company and someone actually thinking about them. We used to do that at the senior home where we lived, and the residents loved it. Pretty sure most of the nurses at the candy anyway…

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  38. Liz says:

    Christmas is also a good time for that….last place we lived, we brought cookies and had a “Golden years” Christmas party. It was something the base did yearly….they really liked it.

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  39. Liz says:

    I worked in a nursing home for a while, years back.

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  40. BuenaVista says:

    Disagree with the OP: I think pop music (including the current debauched NashVegas country) is drowning in syrupy paens to dreamy, pedestalized girls and women.

    I couldn’t figure out why the local FM station was so insipid; then I noticed that their demo is really the obese woman in a cube, and she wants pop music versions of her romance novels.

    The college FM station calls itself “alternative”, but it sounds to me like the B-side of failed Britney Spears singles. The male bands are led by breathy, squeaky voice tenors pining for their true loves.

    So I think, contrary to above, pop music is characterized by bubblegum sentiment — a secular, pop music version of Churchian instruction to worship the little woman in your life, in order to get closer to Jesus.

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  41. BuenaVista says:

    Off topic, but I am dating around a little bit, and holy cow, this #metoo stuff has transformed relations since I last did so. The last two first dates included women describing “their” (you know, like “my rape” or “my truth”) “abuse.” One last night joked that I’d better be nice or she would call in an assault rap. I got the hell out of there and drank too much with a stripper.

    I generalize too much from personal experience, but I really do think this anti-sex, neo-Victorian, “j’accuse” culture will cause a lot of men to respond per the actual Victorian era: focus on explicit quid pro quo relationships. Sex really is illicit again to bourgeois society and in particular, feminists (to be redundant).

    I’m visiting tomorrow with a friend who is a NYC fashion exec, so we spoke this morning. She’s on the beach at the moment, and interviewing with Asia-based companies. She says she too (#shetoo ?) sees a backlash already in corporate America, and it’s harder to get hired than three years ago. So she may move to Jakarta.

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  42. Liz says:

    One last night joked that I’d better be nice or she would call in an assault rap.
    Good Lord. Think the stripper was a good choice for better company. Probably far smarter too.

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  43. Larry G says:

    BV, bet no one saw that coming did they? Most females have a huge blind spot regarding “cause and effect” or getting a grip (and completely comprehending) Newton’s Third Law of Motion; “For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.” Methinks the lasses be royally fucked.

    “… She says she too (#shetoo ?) sees a backlash already in corporate America, and it’s harder to get hired than three years ago. So she may move to Jakarta.”

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  44. Fnu Mnu Lnu says:

    I think that i have mentioned before, about how a female firmer coworker of mine, was complaining about what women are doing. She is an easy 8.5, in her late 40s, and says that she is having a hard time finding any guys who want to date at all, because of how women are treating and abusing men.

    In a sane world this chick would have no problem with having guys wanting something serious with her.

    #metoo is going to end up becoming #allalone in the near future.

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  45. Farm Boy says:

    Silicon Valley technology giants such as Facebook and Google have grown so dominant they may need to be broken up, unless challengers or changes in taste reduce their clout, the inventor of the World Wide Web told Reuters.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-technology-www/father-of-web-says-tech-giants-may-have-to-be-split-up-idUSKCN1N63MV

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  46. Farm Boy says:

    What’s happening is that the energy in the Democratic Party now is coming from richer educated white liberals who are most motivated by issues that don’t resonate with the ethnic minorities who make up the Democratic base. For example, did you know that in the bellwether House race in which newcomer Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez unseated veteran incumbent Joe Crowley, the challenger’s strongest precincts were the whiter, wealthier ones, while the incumbent ran strongest in the most heavily minority precincts? It turns out that minority voters tend to care about who can deliver for them on bread-and-butter issues more than making symbolic identity politics statements. Politico reports that this is causing a growing divide within Democratic ranks.

    https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/democrats-hidden-civil-war/

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  47. Farm Boy says:

    Steven Clifford, author and former CEO of the King Broadcasting Company and National Mobile Television, told PJM that the federal government should “prohibit straight white males from voting” in U.S. elections as a way to “save” democracy

    https://pjmedia.com/election/former-tv-ceo-says-u-s-should-ban-straight-white-males-from-voting/

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  48. Farm Boy says:

    Google employees in the northeast United States, India, the United Kingdom and other locations left their desks Thursday at 11:10 a.m. local time in response to a report that described big payouts to executives accused of sexual misconduct — including an allegation of forced oral sex — with Google employees or applicants.

    https://dailycaller.com/2018/11/01/google-walkout-sexual-misconduct/

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  49. Larry G says:

    Hear, hear!
    “Steven Clifford, author and former CEO of the King Broadcasting Company and National Mobile Television, told PJM that the federal government should “prohibit straight white males from voting” in U.S. elections as a way to “save” democracy”

    The Federal government should create concentration camps in the middle of Nevada to intern and “reeducate” these lunatics. That would go a long way to save what’s left of democracy

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  50. Farm Boy says:

    An upstate New York woman choked a nightclub bouncer until he fell unconscious, claiming he groped her until she realized one of her friends was behind the butt grab, police said.

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2018/11/01/police-woman-choked-innocent-man-claiming-he-groped-her/

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  51. Farm Boy says:

    A Florida ethics panel is accusing a Florida mayor of promising a constituent he would install speed bumps in a neighborhood in exchange for sex.

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2018/10/31/ethics-panel-florida-mayor-solicited-sex-for-speed-bumps/

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  52. Larry G says:

    “a Florida mayor of promising a constituent he would install speed bumps in a neighborhood in exchange for sex.”

    LOL!!! so, what’s wrong with that? That’s a good way to fix the damn roads!

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  53. BuenaVista says:

    Cultural and geographical insights into snow.

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  54. Larry G says:

    Imperial Snowblower Trooper

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  55. BuenaVista says:

    Liz: They’re very good at conversation, actually, as in the hostess bars in Tokyo, only with no clothes on, and an improved ability to curse.

    .

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  56. Cill says:

    All this talk aboot kids with sweets etc (candy to you). If they ain’t got pineapple lumps they ain’t got squat.

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  57. Fnu Mnu Lnu says:

    “Speed bumps” is code for ‘anal warts’ lol

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  58. thedeti says:

    We’ve had the “baby I can’t live without you” songs well up into the 80s when I was in high school and college.

    Examples: Any Bryan Adams song about a woman (Straight From the Heart, Cuts Like A Knife, Run To You, Have you Ever Really Loved a Woman)

    Most Christie Brinkley era Billy Joel songs (Tell Her About It, Keepin the Faith, Uptown Girl, Baby Grand)

    Foreigner’s ballads (Waiting For A Girl Like You)

    Now? We have

    “Bitches Ain’t Shit but Hoes and Tricks”

    “I Got 99 Problems and a Bitch ain’t one”

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  59. thedeti says:

    Gradually, over time, we have gone from a time where women respected men as human beings, and respected their superior strength–

    to a time where women don’t respect ANY men, not even their fathers, brothers, husbands or sons. Men are now utilities to be used and then discarded after their usefulness is gone; and women are entitled to use men for whatever they want or need.

    We have gone from a time where men loved women, or at least liked them enough to want to lay it all on the line to get one, men considered getting a woman as a lifelong companion and mate to be all important–

    to a time where men hate women. Women are for sex and not much else, and if a man can’t get sex from a woman, then he has no need to even address women. If you can get sex from women, you get it from as many as you can; if you cannot or choose not to then you just avoid them. Men are much, much more reluctant to intervene for a woman if she’s in peril or needs something; and intervening for a damsel in distress can cost a man his life.

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  60. Larry G says:

    Solid truth…

    “We have gone from a time where men loved women, or at least liked them enough to want to lay it all on the line to get one, men considered getting a woman as a lifelong companion and mate to be all important–to a time where men hate women. Women are for sex and not much else, and if a man can’t get sex from a woman, then he has no need to even address women. If you can get sex from women, you get it from as many as you can; if you cannot or choose not to then you just avoid them.”

    Deti, I got nothing more to add..

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  61. Cill says:

    “The male bands are led by breathy, squeaky voice tenors pining for their true loves.”

    The female singers are bad enough, but whenever I go into a bar I put my ears at risk of hearing a sunken-crotched titty-boy squeaking in my ears like finger nails down a blackboard. Fuck!! I want to jump on Horse and head for the back of beyond with Dog and gun and a bottle of quiet Talisker.

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  62. Larry G says:

    Cill, this may suit you..

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  63. BuenaVista says:

    Colonel Liz spotted at DIA:

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  64. RichardP says:

    @Ton said: …. the longing for that version of love does exist – in every immature man…
    Fixed that for you

    Your are correct. Except I fixed it myself by what I wrote, but maybe not clearly. If “that version of love” is the longing for the type of love that mother gave, every man who has had a mother that actually gave that kind of love to her son(s) (not all do) will still long for that version of love as an adult. My point, from the research that has been done on this, is that – for a man to become good at being a man – he has to come to realize that “mother’s love” and “woman / wife’s love” are two different things. He has to learn to not expect mother’s love (“that version of love”) from his woman / wife. He cannot be considered mature, good at being a man, until he learns this lesson and learns how to behave to generate the only kind of love his woman / wife can offer him. In this respect, Dalrock and Rollo and here and Bloom’s places are all good at driving home this truth.

    On the other hand, there are some women who want to “mother” their man. That works out well only for those men who never learn that they need to give up longing for mother’s love in order to become good at being a man.

    But – the reality is that it is not a one-size-fits-all world. Sounds mundane, but it truely is different strokes for different folks.

    And – a comment based on Bloom’s comment upthread: if the person is a leaving kind of person, begging them to stay is probably not a useful activity. I would have automatically thought this in an earlier day. But, with all I’ve read about the concept of sh*t tests, I’m now wondering how a guy can know that she is not just “testing his love for her” and is testing to see if he will beg her to stay. If he does, then he must “really love her”, and so she will stay.

    The category where she has been with him long enough and he still has not proposed marriage comes to mind. She realizes that she needs to get a commitment for marriage from him, or leave while she is still young enough to attract someone else. I’ve read that this is a thing that does happen, and wife has a friend who did this – left until he “came to his senses” and proposed marriage in order to get her back. How do we know that this is not going on in the song presented in the OP? Remember that the lyrics were written by the wife of the husband/wife writing team. I’m sure she was familiar with the concept discussed in this paragraph.

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  65. BuenaVista says:

    I used to listen to a wonderful show every night on NPR (really, I did). I would schedule my night around this show, the way others declaim that this or that TV show is “on!” (No TV in my house but their used to be.) The show was “World Cafe.” It originates at @XPN, UPenn, Philly. I stumbled into it when I was still sprintling up and down I-95 between WashDC and NYC. The host was an old guy named David Dye. Out here on the tallgrass prairie it was a lifeline to a prior life. Dye played American roots country, new American roots, edgy bar bands, stuff like that. Americana with good Brit rockers, whether they were 20 or 70.

    I would listen to that show, sitting down by the lake, twice some nights. It comes on at 6 p.m. for two hours, and repeats at 10:00.

    So Dye retires. His replacement for this great library and forum for new and old American music is … millienial uptalking, Tanya Schlanger. (Yes, I got the vowel right in Schlanger.) She’s from … Toronto. She doesn’t even know what American music is. Her occasional replacement host (because it’s so much work producing two hours of recorded music per day) is some squeaky, effeminate, uptalking pajama boy, named something like “Kuh-lay-o.” He doesn’t use a last name.

    I was apoplectic. I had a Twitter tantrum and wrote Dye, wondering why he would kill the show he built. He wrote me back and called me, I am quoting, “ageist, anti-semitic, misogynist, nativist”. Then he hurt my feelings, calling me “stupid.”

    This “Kuh-lay-o”, or I should say his full name, “Hey, I’m Kuh-lay-o in for Tanya Schlanger” sounds like a barristo buttboy from the West Village.

    They stumble into a few good tunes like a squirrel tripping over acorns, but my new favorite show is American Roots, which broadcasts on the wide prair-ee every Friday night.

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  66. Liz says:

    Lol that’s hilarious. 😆

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  67. Liz says:

    Talking about the photo there…haven’t read the rest yet…

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  68. Cill says:

    Hank Williams is better than a teary tremelo with a frame made of yellow butter anyhow.

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  69. BuenaVista says:

    Why Colonel Liz stuck to $200mm aircraft:

    https://goo.gl/images/7kyWNx

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  70. BuenaVista says:

    Blind pilot: what it feels like when the airport is below minimums and you ask for the approach anyway, “Just to take a look.” They will let you do that. Then you’re dead. Or you sound like a pussy on the radio because you can’t control your voice and just yell, “Mike Lima going around now!”

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  71. BuenaVista says:

    When I was blue pill, one of the more painful elements of my transition to reality was that I took my romantic impulses from idiotic, simpering boy singers like Jackson Browne instead of Merle Haggard.

    Deti, I bet there’s a soft-rock station near you still playing the Secretary Hit Parade. That’s a major demo.

    Last night I heard an endearing NashVegas tune with a crooning female declaring her enduring love, but only to point out, “Too bad you weren’t a better man.”

    When I was dating the Hollywood wife, I once drove her from Telluride to Silverton. That is over the Million Dollar Highway, which is replete with 1000′ dropoffs and no guardrails. We were skiing, so there were 3-400″ of snow on the ground, unlike in the picture, below. I, of course, had a rental two-wheel drive car.

    She was a pop music sophisticate; her private elevator only stopped at her place and Sting’s, upstairs. She was nearly in tears she was so frightened. I played Merle and she calmed down. She had no idea what a baritone that man mustered.

    Coda: So we went to the Walmart in Durango to buy more Merle. Then she freaked out at the clientele. “This people scare me, BV, I want to go now.”

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  72. earl says:

    Male pop stars I’m sure not only sell their soul to the devil…but their testicles too.

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  73. Cill says:

    I’m trying to emerge from the pall of deep gloom into which the mere thought of soyboy singers had cast me. It’s a beautiful morning. Today I’m going to build a… wait for it… trellis fence. Repeat, trellis fence. Nothing fancy. Rustic, even. For an old widow who misses her late husband so much she almost lost interest in staying alive. I’ve fixed her place up and the trellis is an excuse really. She likes the sound of a man working around her house the way her husband used to.

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  74. Cill says:

    It will be good today. She will bring me Lamingtons with English breakfast tea, and for lunch a big feed of mashed potatoes, peas and sausages. That’s all. Maybe a splash of her homemade tomato sauce. Simple is best, for me.

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  75. Alan Kardec says:

    “Can’t Live Without You” songs … you have to remember a few things. Their heyday was not long after WWII. Most men were vets or defense workers who contributed to national victory, they were a proven Alpha commodity. Many men were dead so there was a dearth of mates. Singers are a focus of social attention so the song is coming from a guy who is somewhere on the sex symbol spectrum. Men prior to the war tended to work significant and dangerous jobs. You could be at the low end of the economic spectrum yet have built Boulder Dam. How many can say that today? It ain’t as financially successful as Facebook but when you stand at the foot of it you say, “Okay. Those guys were Men?”

    The greatest thing our society could do is to starting creating things that create that sort of accomplishment. We need Mars. As a people, men and women, we need Mars.

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  76. RichardP says:

    @BV said: The show was “World Cafe.”

    I used to listen to that show fairly regularly whenever I had to be out and about in the car on a Sunday night. KCSN radio – the college radio station for California State University at Northridge.

    Over time, KCSN has have played a good mix of styles and old and new stuff. They have different time periods where they regularly play a certain kind of music. You can see when a particular type of music is scheduled to be played by looking at their website. This is a link to their “play online” page, if you want to play through Winamp or WMP or some such. Or you can just play straight from this page or their main Web Page.

    https://www.internet-radio.com/station/kcsn/

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  77. RichardP says:

    If you want to listen to classical music, the University of Southern California spins a good variety of music. The is the same general approach as I described about KCSN above.

    https://www.kusc.org/radio/how-to-listen/

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  78. Ame says:

    that snow chart is funny and true. we like a little snow in the south … get too much, and we’re totally freaking out 🙂

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  79. Cill says:

    When it comes to music in the wilderness, JS Bach sure does sound good from a massive sound system.

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  80. Cill says:

    I’m off to build a fence. See all yall.

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  81. Ame says:

    That is a quote from Harlan Howard, the man who wrote the country hit “Tiger by the Tail” (among countless others). He believed that it was pointless to write for men, since they never bought records. So he would write for women, and write from the viewpoint of a woman; this is how he got so many hit songs.

    His philosophy is the unspoken rule-of-thumb for country and pop; in short, tell women what they want to hear so that you can make money off them.

    https://majorstyles.blog/2017/03/27/whats-the-greatest-love-song-of-all-time-1st-edition/#comment-442

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  82. Cheque d'Out says:

    I was near Marseille when it snowed…Everyone took the day off. Those streets with drivers with no idea of ice driving? They were smart

    I drove from there home. Snow started south of Lyon, didn’t stop till Reading (west of London), caught pretty much the last Channel Tunnel train before they froze up. Interesting trip. Thankfully I had a front wheel drive car. A four-by-four would have been cushty but still exciting.

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  83. Farm Boy says:

    The image from the “Happy Wife, Happy Life” post is from the mountains that BV mentions

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  84. BuenaVista says:

    San Juans. Silverton has the cleanest air and lowest light pollution in the lower 48. Probably my next stop. The growing season is approximately 40 days.

    When I was feeding cattle in Parlin, Colorado at 19 our uninsulated “house” (ranch hand shack) would see -60F (-50C you Euro-metric people). Normal course. Some sort of cold sink exists in central Colorado. Check the weather, Liz, before driving South Park in January. Way-ull, guess what. One morning the well pump failed. Down into the well when it was -60. Good times.

    4WD is way overrated. I drove 300 miles on I-80 across Nebraska once while sleepwalking in a blizzard. I thought I was looking for my childhood dog. Vehicle was a 1600 pound Datsun wagon without snowtires. At least I didn’t get bored, (which is Iowan for driving through Nebraska).

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  85. Cheque d'Out says:

    Mine was a Ford Mondeo hatchback diesel. Actually quite fun on the back roads. The engine made it rather prone to understeer on sharp corners when provoked. Loaded to the gunnels , driven at 85mph on French autoroutes, I still got more than 50mpg. I wasn’t doing 85 on the snow trip.

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  86. honeycomb says:

    This is what happens when you raise children to value animal life above human life ..

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/11/01/italian-vegan-ordered-pay-400-fine-threatening-stab-mother-ragu/

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  87. Cheque d'Out says:

    https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/to_the_gunnels

    I assume it comes from sailing warships, so heavily laden the water lapped at the gunnels…gun holes…where the cannon peeled out?

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  88. Cheque d'Out says:

    The original Silverton is not a million miles from me. A mate’s daughter lives there.
    http://silvertonlocalhistory.co.uk
    Dates back to the early days of the Saxon invasion, apparently.

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  89. SFC Ton says:

    I need someone to explain two concepts for me

    #1) what is this drinking to much deal? Is that a real thing?

    #2) talking to a stripper…dont get it unless you are placing a drink order and/ or negotiating a bidness transaction….. Which come to think of it is pretty much the whole point of talking to any woman.

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  90. earl says:

    ‘This is what happens when you raise children to value animal life above human life ..’

    Shoot if eating cows is what it takes so that I don’t go stabby on my mother…give me another burger.

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  91. Farm Boy says:

    So today, over 60 percent of all Google offices, and thousands of Google employees will walk out, around the world.

    All employees protesting today are united in calling for these changes:

    An end to Forced Arbitration in cases of harassment and discrimination for all current and future employees, along with a right for every Google worker to bring a co-worker, representative, or supporter of their choosing when meeting with HR, especially when filing a harassment claim

    A commitment to end pay and opportunity inequity, for example making sure there are women of color at all levels of the organization, and accountability for not meeting this commitment. This must be accompanied by transparent data on the gender, race and ethnicity compensation gap, across both level and years of industry experience, accessible to all Google and Alphabet employees and contractors. Such data must include, but not be limited limited to: information on relative promotion rates, under-leveling at hire, the handling of leaves, and inequity in project and job ladder change opportunities. The methods by which such data was collected and the techniques by which it was analyzed and aggregated must also be transparent.

    A publicly disclosed sexual harassment transparency report, including: the number of harassment claims at Google over time and by product area; the types of claims submitted; how many victims and accused have left Google; any exit packages and their worth.

    A clear, uniform, globally inclusive process for reporting sexual misconduct safely and anonymously. The process today is not working, in no small part because HRs’ performance is assessed by senior management and directors, forcing them to put management’s interests ahead of employees reporting harassment and discrimination. The improved process should also be accessible to all: full-time employees, temporary employees, vendors, and contractors alike. Accountability, safety and an ability to report unsafe working conditions should not be dictated by employment status.

    Promote the Chief Diversity Officer to answer directly to the CEO and make recommendations directly to the Board of Directors. In addition, appoint an Employee Representative to the Board. Both the CDO and the Employee Representative should help allocate permanent resources for demands 1-4 and other equity efforts, ensure accountability to these demands, and propose changes when equity goals are not met.

    A company is nothing without its workers. From the moment we start at Google we’re told that we aren’t just employees; we’re owners. Every person who walked out today is an owner, and the owners say: Time’s up.

    https://www.thecut.com/2018/11/google-walkout-organizers-explain-demands.html

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  92. Farm Boy says:

    The proposal says that “gender-confused Australians” will not attain “equal enjoyment of human rights without discrimination” unless the government gives them “autonomy regarding sex/gender markers, and obtain identification options that match their sex characteristics and/or gender identities, as preferred.”

    The current Prime Minister is telling the Labour Party to “get real” and that the government will “never” cave into this demand.

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/37889/australian-pm-blasts-transgender-nonsense-will-not-paul-bois

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  93. Farm Boy says:

    Ten women decided to pose nude with paper ballots covering their private areas in a Vermont studio on October 28 for a photo shoot called “Grab Them by the Ballot,” in the hopes they could convince people to cast their ballots for Democrats instead of Republicans this November.

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2018/11/01/photos-democrat-women-nude-protest-gop-grab-ballot-photo-shoot/

    [Effective with me this is not]

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  94. SFC Ton says:

    Pop country is the worst…. but that’s what you get when skypes take over

    Well some say I’m not country
    And that’s just fine with me
    ‘Cause I don’t wanna be country
    With some faggot looking over at me
    They say that I’m ill-mannered
    That I’m gonna self-destruct
    But if you know what I’m thinkin’
    You’ll know that pop country really sucks
    So I’m here to put the “dick” in Dixie
    And the “cunt” back in country
    ‘Cause the kind of country I hear now days
    Is a bunch of fuckin’ shit to me
    They say that I’m ill-mannered
    That I’m gonna self-destruct
    But if you know what I’m thinkin’
    You’ll know that pop country really sucks
    Well we’re losing all the outlaws
    That had to stand their ground
    And they’re being replaced by these kids
    From a manufactured town
    And they don’t have no idea
    About sorrow and woe
    ‘Cause they’re all just too damn busy
    Kissin’ ass on Music Row
    So I’m here to put the “dick” in Dixie
    And the “cunt” back in country
    ‘Cause the kind of country I hear nowdays
    Is a bunch of fuckin’ shit to me
    And they say that I’m ill-mannered
    That I’m gonna self-destruct
    But if you know what I’m thinkin’
    You’ll know that pop country really sucks
    And if you know what I’m thinkin’
    You’ll know that pop country really sucks

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  95. mgtowhorseman says:

    That any man willingly enters the friend zone is beyond me.

    What the fuck for??

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  96. SFC Ton says:

    LOL you are a fancy talker RP. Much respect

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  97. SFC Ton says:

    Surrival etc training and two winters in the Hindu Kush has made The Ton fully winter qualified. Sadly

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  98. mgtowhorseman says:

    Some people have way too much time. Gotta give props for the patience this musta taken.

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  99. mgtowhorseman says:

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  100. Fnu Mnu Lnu says:

    On my DC to NYC on 95 trips, i would listen to Art Bell on am.

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  101. Fnu Mnu Lnu says:

    Not one decent looking woman in VT, eh?

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  102. Farm Boy says:

    James O’Keefe’s Project Veritas released an undercover sting video on Thursday night that appears to show campaign staffers for Texas Democratic Senate candidate Beto O’Rourke “illegally using campaign resources to buy supplies and help transport Honduran aliens,”

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/37900/nobody-needs-know-orourke-campaign-appears-ryan-saavedra

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  103. Cill says:

    Hey Spawny you old reprobate,

    What’s the difference between a Frenchman and a piece of toast?

    You can make soldiers out of a piece of toast

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  104. Cheque d'Out says:

    First laugh of the day, thanks Cill

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  105. Cheque d'Out says:


    I guess it’s nice to see that The Hammerhead THOT Brittney Venti is getting modelling work.

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  106. Liz says:

    Thousands of years ago, it was the Ice Age and there were two troglodytes.
    Both sat in warm caves, eating something they’d killed.
    One thought, “I’m going to go out and get some ass”
    The other thought, “I’m nice and warm here….who gives a fuck about women?”
    The second one is not an ancestor to anyone here.
    Just sayin’

    [Bertha hot she was?]

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  107. Liz says:

    Heh, BV, read your anecdote out loud to Mike on the way back to the airport (he went back to Dallas last night). He said a few years back he was flying some passengers into Buffalo and they knew it was below minimums so they’d fueled up the jet so they could keep trying. It took seven go arounds before they could land.

    He’s told me in the past that the handful of times he’s actually kissed the ground after landing, most of those were weather-related.

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  108. Liz says:

    Good Lord! Just read KH’s link above.
    That’s unbelievable. We need a “horrified” emoticon button.

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  109. Liz says:

    “Bertha hot she was?”

    There are no hot women named Bertha.
    Her name was Nova.
    Hot she was.
    Also a mute.

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  110. Beautiful waist/hip ratio…

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  111. Liz says:

    We need to bring back the corset.
    It would go far toward solving the female obesity problem.
    Mike said the best thing about working for the airlines is, he doesn’t have to watch a bunch of women who look like bowling balls trying to pack themselves into gray tee shirts and blue shorts to run the PT test.

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  112. Farm Boy says:

    The feminist Georgetown professor who tweeted that white male Republicans who voted to confirm Justice Kavanaugh should die miserable deaths and then be castrated has paid a price, but so far, only to Twitter, which suspended her account. Georgetown gave her the rest of the term off, but in a limp statement defending free speech and criticizing unkind remarks, the president of Georgetown didn’t even name the professor—Christine Fair. Fair tweeted this statement: “Look [this] chorus of entitled white men justifying a serial rapist’s arrogated entitlement. All of them deserve miserable deaths while feminists laugh as they take their last gasps. Bonus: we castrate their corpses and feed them to swine? Yes.”

    https://www.mindingthecampus.org/2018/10/31/what-happened-to-our-universities/

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  113. Liz says:

    Christine Fair ain’t gonna fair well if/when SHTF.

    Weather story from Christmases past:
    They had a large deployment to the Balkans (24 hour notice, he’d just returned that day from several months on another deployment. And his travel pod broke with all his goods….so we spent the night running around trying to buy him stuff so he’d have shoes and all that….good times).
    It was stormy, and they had to follow a tanker the whole way and stay fueled up so if the boom broke off in all the turbulence (it was very heavy, Mike couldn’t even read the controls at times it was so heavy) they’d have enough fuel to land somewhere. So, constant refueling over the ocean through bad weather…he could only stay in formation by looking at a little blinking light on his wingman’s plane a few feet away.

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  114. https://almatcboykin.wordpress.com/2018/11/01/aviation-and-oral-traditions/

    “Most people don’t associate aviation and oral traditions. After all, aviation is very much about technology and machinery, especially once you start flying airliners and other jets or “just” multi-engine aircraft. And since powered, controlled flight began in 1903, that’s well after oral-traditions and oral history were important.

    Most people would be in for a bit of a surprise.”

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  115. Farm Boy says:

    “This is getting ridiculous,” the organization wrote on Twitter, asking Sheryl Sandberg, the chief operating officer of Facebook,” Is #ProLife speech welcome on your platform or not?”

    https://freebeacon.com/politics/facebook-bans-pro-life-ads-supporting-gop-senate-candidates/

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  116. Farm Boy says:

    At last, some good campus news: The Trump administration is going to require colleges to allow cross-examination in sex-assault cases.

    In draft Education Department rules that leaked in August, schools were merely given the option of giving the accused the right to cross-examine their accusers. Even that would be progress, since Obama-era rules essentially forbid that basic fairness — a lunacy that has led regular courts to repeatedly overrule the findings of campus tribunals when they lead to lawsuits.

    https://nypost.com/2018/11/01/trump-is-finally-bringing-justice-back-to-college-campuses/

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  117. Fnu Mnu Lnu says:

    Disgusting. The UK is at the forefront of fascism.

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  118. Liz says:

    6,000 dollars is surprisingly cheap. I’d be afraid it was some sort of honeypot operation.

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  119. Farm Boy says:

    “Well you know the word ‘racist’ is used about every Republican that’s winning,” Trump said in an interview with Christian Broadcast Network. “Any time a Republican is leading they take out the ‘R’ word, the ‘racist’ word.”

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2018/11/02/donald-trump-the-word-racist-is-used-to-describe-every-republican-thats-winning/

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  120. Liz says:

    https://www.stripes.com/news/bulldog-brigade-mascot-goes-under-the-knife-in-south-korea-1.554560

    Pfc. Tank Chester, a 7-month-old Victorian bulldog who serves as mascot for the 3rd Armored Brigade Combat Team, 1st Armored Division “Bulldogs,” had his soft palate trimmed and nostrils widened at Camp Humphreys’ veterinary clinic in South Korea.

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  121. Farm Boy says:

    The head of London’s police and other senior officers have backed calls for a focus on real crimes rather than using resources recording “non-crime” hate incidents, offensive comments about women, and other so-called “hate crimes.”
    Met Commissioner Cressida Dick says she said “absolutely” agreed with a senior officer who earlier this week said comments about women and misogyny should not be specified in law as a criminal and officers should spend less time policing people’s opinions and “hate”.

    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2018/11/02/top-cops-back-calls-to-stop-wasting-time-policing-hate-crime-and-offensive-comments/

    [Apparently the Dick a head it would be]

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  122. honeycomb says:

    KHH ..
    (re: aviation oral traditions)

    I’m in my early 50’s .. Aviation is not the same now as when I came thru the youth pipeline.

    I grew-up as a Professional Pilot, CFI and A&P’s son. I lived at the airport. I soaked it all up ..

    Today when I go to the airport .. they’re all dead (re: airport and airport life).

    It’s night and day different from then to now. It’s like a ghost town now -vs- when I grew-up .. very sad.

    I have millions of stories and tales and deeds and etc. that made me the aviator I am today.

    It’s so bad I don’t even bother visiting airports anymore. Which is a part of why it is what it is now .. a ghost town .. an absence of life / activity.

    Of course my life isn’t about airports or airplanes anymore (I’m no longer a Professional Pilot) .. those days are gone .. but never forgotten .. but soon they will be when I pass on ..

    I used to be my dads shadow .. now I’m like a summertime cumulus build-up that fades at the end of the day (i.e. funeral).

    Here and then gone .. the next day will hold the same. We are not built to last .. and neither are certain professions.

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  123. Larry G says:

    Liz,
    “Thousands of years ago, it was the Ice Age and there were two troglodytes.
    Both sat in warm caves, eating something they’d killed.
    One thought, “I’m going to go out and get some ass”
    The other thought, “I’m nice and warm here….who gives a fuck about women?”
    The second one is not an ancestor to anyone here. Just sayin’”

    It’s rabid and insane femcunts like Christine Fair that have made women into enemies of men. Men will respond in kind and destruction of the species be damned.

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  124. thedeti says:

    I know I’m changing the subject.

    I’m riffing on this “women don’t respect men” thing again.

    It used to be women respected men’s superior strength. Women respected men’s authority over their homes. Women respected pastors, political leaders, teachers, community leaders. Almost all of whom were men.

    But the main reason women respected men was because men could, and would, do violence to protect themselves and those in their charge. Women respected men because men could kill any one of them with their bare hands if they really wanted to.

    Women realized and knew there were Bad Men. There always has been, is now, and always will be, a criminal element composed primarily of Bad Men. Bad Men don’t care about women and never have loved women. Bad Men prey on women to take their stuff, rape them, and kill them if necessary. No matter what we do, there will always be Bad Men in our midst.

    Women respected the fact that Good Men were willing to do, and would do, and sometimes did do, violence to protect them. Good Men did this because they realized women cannot do it for themselves; and, well, because we need every vagina we can get for Good Men to have sex with and every uterus we can get for growing new Good Men and Good Women.

    Those Good Men could also rape and kill those women if they wanted to. But they did not, mostly because of those reasons – we need them for sex and babies. (Not because those Good Men particularly liked them. And women understood this.)

    Now we’re at a point where we have more Bad Men and facsimiles thereof. Bad Men, and now men who were Good Men but have now become Bad. And men who could have been Good but are somewhere between Good and Bad. And Good Men who are still Good but have found that acting Bad gets them what they want and need. And an increasing number of Good Men who act like Bad Men.

    And lots of Good Men who don’t realize or care just how Bad things have become, because they’re lucky, or they’re Chads, or they’re oblivious, or their money/wealth/power/influence insulates them from the Bad.

    Because Good Men decided to share their hard power with women, because women told the Good Men that not giving them some of that power was unfair. And women got some of that power. And then they said “give us more, because we are half of humans, and therefore we should have half the power. Because that’s fair.” And Good Men said “OK”.

    And then women found out they didn’t have to respect Good Men, or Bad Men, or any men, because they had the power Good Men gave them. Why should a woman respect any man when she has as much power as he does (because he decided to give it to her)?

    Then Good Men found out that Good gets them nothing from women. But being Bad got them things they wanted and needed. So, more men decided to become Bad Men. Why should a man be a Good Man when he gets nothing for it, not even enough to sustain himself? Why shouldn’t he be a Bad Man when Bad Men get what they want and need? Or, he is still Good by nature, but he has found that acting Bad gets him what he wants and needs. Why should a Good Man refrain from acting Bad?

    And when Good Men see women rewarding Bad Men for being Bad, it causes Good Men to stop loving women, and it’s now bleeding into hating women. Bad Men have never loved women, and have always hated women. But Good Men were at least indifferent.

    Now, Good Men have stopped loving women because, well, why should they love women? Women don’t give them anything or do anything for them. Women reject and penalize Good Men for the “crime” of being Good Men. Good Men are starting to become Bad and part of being a Bad Man is not loving women. And it’s becoming hatred. Good Men are starting to hate women.

    Women do not respect men. Men do not love women.

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  125. thedeti says:

    And God said to the man, “Because you listened to the voice of your wife, and ate of the Tree which I commanded you not to eat, cursed is the ground you walk upon, of sweat and toil you shall eat of it all the days of your life, and thorns and thistles it will yield to you…..”

    And we’ve brought it on ourselves now. Or more powerful men have foisted it on us.

    “Because you listened to women’s voices, and gave them that which I had entrusted to you and you alone, cursed are your lives, and your societies shall crumble and fall, and you will of your sweat and toil work to rebuild them all the days of your lives…..”

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  126. thedeti says:

    I just want you all to know… I am not having the best day today. I’m writing this shit because if I don’t, I’m going to check myself into the psych ward at the local hospital. Or go Edward Longshanks on some stupid coworker.

    (Not really. It just makes me feel better to write this shit.)

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  127. Liz says:

    Hope your day gets better, deti.
    For levity (since I’m fresh out of jokes at the moment….having a dry spell lately)
    https://www.foxnews.com/world/tourist-found-wandering-cathedral-with-amnesia-admits-he-faked-memory-loss-to-escape-mother-in-law?fbclid=IwAR1SZt0QvL8vAd7gIwvcdHouaO_AsE6fl4NBViBgPNW2bFeSuNKzk6rZcRU

    “Tourist found wandering cathedral with ‘amnesia’ admits he faked memory loss to escape mother-in-law”

    I won’t judge him. 😆

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  128. Larry G says:

    Take good care of yourself, Deti. The stuff you write seems to always be well worth reading. You have my appreciation and thanks, dude.

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  129. Larry G says:

    Deti,
    “Now, Good Men have stopped loving women because, well, why should they love women? Women don’t give them anything or do anything for them. Women reject and penalize Good Men for the “crime” of being Good Men. Good Men are starting to become Bad and part of being a Bad Man is not loving women. And it’s becoming hatred. Good Men are starting to hate women.”

    if ever there was something that should be setting off fucking sirens and flashing red lights in women’s brains, this is it…

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  130. thedeti says:

    Part of the reason men are not loving women anymore is because when they got power, they showed their true colors.

    Women’s mythology: Women need love before they’ll have sex.

    Fact: Women will have sex with men whose names they DON’T EVEN KNOW if they’re sexually attracted. Women will have sex with men THEY JUST MET AN HOUR AGO if they’re sexually attracted.

    Women very, very much want sex with sexually attractive men, and they don’t need love or intimacy or anything other than a place to do it.

    Women’s mythology: Women are faithful and don’t cheat.

    Fact: Women very very much will cheat if right man, right time, right circumstances and low risk of detection. Women cheat at the same rates as men do.

    Women’s mythology: Women are sexually attracted to “nice” and “kind” and “affable” and “resources”.

    Fact: Women are sexually attracted to good looking, fit, in shape men with masculine facial features, V shaped taper from shoulder to waist, some muscular definition, confident, dominant, and who look and act like they could wring your neck at a moment’s notice but don’t.

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  131. thedeti says:

    The problem is that we understand now what women are at their base. They are not at all what they represented themselves to be and what was represented to us. They are not sugar and spice and all things nice. They are not respectful. The only reason they respect men or used to respect men was because they knew and understood that any one of those men could rape and kill them, if they really wanted to; and because they needed those men to keep the wolves and Bad Men away from their babies and their shit.

    But now we know. Women WANT those Bad Men. The only reason women don’t marry Bad Men is because Bad Men can’t pay their way. The only reason women avoid Bad Men is because Bad Men don’t have Good Man resources. Women very, very much want Bad Men for sex. And when we let women have sex with whomever they want, they choose Bad Men.

    Now we know. Women are exceedingly good liars. Women are masters at manipulation and deception. Women can verbally, mentally and emotionally abuse someone else with a ferocity and viciousness that no man can even come close to matching.

    Women care about their own status among other women. Women care about what that Good Man can do for her and how well she can use and exploit that Good Man, not about that Good Man’s well-being. Women care, at their base, at bottom, about getting what they can from men for as long as they can, and lying as much as they have to to get it.

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  132. “And then women found out they didn’t have to respect Good Men, or Bad Men, or any men, because they had the power Good Men gave them.”

    Women still don’t have any real power. What has happened is that Bad men figured out they could gain power over Good men by using women as their state-sponsored proxies.

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  133. @honeycomb

    It’s my understanding (from an article read long ago) that flying used to be a much more affordable hobby/leisure activity. Something that the middle-class could do in non-trivial numbers. Not sure/can’t really remember what seemed to be the cause of the decline.

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  134. Ame says:

    ummm … could you please explain ‘below minimums’ for those (me) who are ignorant of such things 😉

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  135. Ame says:

    honeycomb – you ought to write out your stories. i’d love to read them, and i’m sure others would, too.

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  136. Ame says:

    sometimes we have to vomit all this toxic stuff out to feel better 🙂

    at least, Deti, you can do so intelligently and in a way that makes sense and makes us want to read it 🙂

    sucks, though, when it’s the truth.

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  137. honeycomb says:

    KHH ..
    (re: flying used to be a much more affordable hobby/leisure activity)

    In a way .. flying isn’t anymore expensive on an hourly aircraft rental [1] or for an instructor per hour.

    What has changed is this ..

    1) NEW aircraft costs went thru the roof due to liability insurance costs of the mnfctr. It’s based off the number of seats in the aircraft.
    2) The path to CFI / Professional Pilot was more affordable even lost Vietnam Conflict. You used to be able to go from Private pilot to Commercial pilot to CFI (Certified Flight Instructor) and begin your journey to teaching and making some money as a Commercial pilot. Then add more ratings and certificates as you had more flight time and experience and money to do so.
    3) Fewer FBO’s and services. (Some the problem was because of #4.)
    4) State Government mis-management of ex-size tax’s on aviation fuel. A few states still do this right (e.g. Tn/Ga/Fl). Most like Alabama do not. This money was meant to only be used for airports and airport grants / upkeep.
    5) Most parents convinced their kids it wasn’t worth the hassle to spend all that money and energy into a low paying career. (Most graduates of A&P programs go to work outside aviation .. it pays a lot more to work for Disney or a Process plant than as an aviation mechanic.)
    6) There are more reasons .. but those are big hitters.

    I’m in the process (beginning phase) of building my own aircraft .. 180 knots and two seats .. It’ll be mostly flown solo on trips that makes my azz hurt in a car .. e.g. 6.5 hours to see my folks (one-way). It’ll cost me about 125K upfront to build and about 25 to 30k a year to fly (all expenses included) based on my current flight time projections.

    Not everyone can do that .. build it .. fly it .. maintain it .. etc .. most folks need the money or the training or professional maintenance help .. which only increases the cost.

    Most middle class families need more than 2 seats (more money) and have less time to fiddle with maintenance and upkeep of an airplane much less the cash it takes to inventory an extra expense in the family budget.

    Most older aircraft are in need of major avionics upgrades to come into compliance with new FAA madates. These madates are not cheap. Plus most mnftcrs want their old aircraft grounded due to legacy liability concerns. Or they just don’t want the expense of providing services to the current owners of those aircraft. Also, another reason to ground older aircraft is to force owners to buy new aircraft. It’s almost happened twice. It’ll finally happen and everyone will be left owning a worthless ramp weight (i.e. scrap metal).

    [1] Most of the used aircraft you can rent are the same old and tired airplanes that I flew 30 to 40 years ago. No one wants to fly these old tired machines. You can build your own and fair better .. hence why the EAA chapters are so popular.

    ..
    ..

    PS I love slow, old fabric tailwheel airplanes. I love fast, new metal / composite airplanes. I love’em all inbetween .. I just have a narrow window of what airplane fits my needs. Airplanes by their nature are compromises. You’ll never get it all in one airplane. Just remember .. “How do you make a large fortune in aviation?” .. “Start out with a HUGE fortune!”

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  138. Cill says:

    “Part of the reason men are not loving women anymore is because when they got power, they showed their true colors.”

    And it can’t be un-revealed. The gap between the attitude of white men towards women today, and simply regarding women as repulsive creatures, is vanishingly small. Either way, it’s over.

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  139. honeycomb says:

    2) … POST lost Vietnam

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  140. Cill says:

    “I’m in the process (beginning phase) of building my own aircraft”

    Now I would like to hear about that.

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  141. honeycomb says:

    AME sez

    ummm … could you please explain ‘below minimums’ for those (me) who are ignorant of such things 😉

    Flying aircraft requires a takeoff and a landing.

    Both have weather (cloud base and visibility) requiremwnts to do that.

    VFR is Visual Flight Rules and IFR is Instrument Flight Rules.

    Both Vfr and Ifr have minimums for flight (i.e. takeoff and landing).

    It’s not generally a good idea to violate Federal Rules of the road.

    BUT .. there are nuances to the rules and operations in different Regulations (Part 91 -vs- 121) allow some exceptions.

    The Part 91 folks are use non-revenue operations. Private pilot folks.

    The Part 121 folks are the Airline / revenue folks.

    Each have different rules to play by.

    So, sometimes we flirt with the rules .. sometimes we are pushing our limits. But most of the time we are telling a big fishing story 😉

    Remember .. take-offs are optional .. landings are manadatory! “It’s better to be on the ground and wish you were flying .. than be in the air wishing you were on the ground.”

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  142. Liz says:

    ” could you please explain ‘below minimums’ for those (me) who are ignorant of such things”

    Heh, sorry Ame. I don’t know much about it either…think it’s referring to the cloud “ceiling”. Sometimes it’s too low to land because you can’t see the runway. In the case of the Buffalo anecdote, they basically flew test patterns around waiting for a “minimum” that would allow for an attempt at a landing every once in a while.

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  143. Liz says:

    heh, sorry….just read Honeycomb’s post above and realize he ‘splained it far better.

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  144. Liz says:

    Mike’s dad built planes too.
    Some of his best childhood memories are of helping his dad in that hangar.

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  145. Cill says:

    Hey honeycomb, as long as it doesn’t forestall your posting of hilarious comments on this blog. First things first. Priorities, mate.

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  146. honeycomb says:

    AME ..

    An example of below minimums would be ..

    On an IFR flight an approach to landing requires 500 ft (or more) of cloud bases and 1/2 mile (or more) of visibility.

    We call it “500 and a half” minimums.

    If either is reported below that number that would be below mins.

    A Part 91 pilot can shoot the approach anyway knowing its less than the minimums to get in.

    A Part 121 pilot can’t start the approach if it’s not at least equal to or better than mins.

    Regardless of the weather report .. the PILOT is the sole determiner of the weather at “decision height” (aka minimums).

    And .. that is but one caveat of transitioning from IFR flight to VFR flight.

    AND for those use that have been qualified to land at less than normal minimum (e.g. Cat II and III) approaches .. flying to minimums is one of those rep-tasks you get extremely good at.

    It’s always good enough in my book .. who needs minimums 😁

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  147. Ame says:

    thank you, Honeycomb!

    So, sometimes we flirt with the rules .. sometimes we are pushing our limits. But most of the time we are telling a big fishing story 😉

    flirting with the rules … i might … or might not … perhaps … be able to relate to that 😉

    Remember .. take-offs are optional .. landings are manadatory! “It’s better to be on the ground and wish you were flying .. than be in the air wishing you were on the ground.”

    heh!

    my first husband and i were flying out of miami years ago, and before we were not able to see the city anymore out of our windows, the pilot came on and said the company was making him turn us back around due to some mechanical failure. he was quite miffed about it. i was thankful when we were back on the ground and wondered why he would be miffed about wanting a full plane of people safely on the ground.

    after my first husband died, i asked the COO of his company (a man i knew) if he would ask those who worked with my husband (many for quite a few years) if they’d write stories to share with our daughters so they’d have more memories of their dad to hold onto. one of the men he worked with wrote of a flight they were on that had apparently run into some quite severe mechanical difficulties mid-flight. i can’t remember the story now, and i would have to go into their keepsake boxes to get it out (which wouldn’t be appropriate to do so), but i remember the guy wrote kindly of how their dad handled the very real possibility of a crash landing (which the pilot was able to thankfully avoid).

    – – –

    Liz – which airport does Mike fly in and out of in dallas? i’ve flown in and out of dfw a few times over the many years i’ve been in texas … and love field not as much but a few times, too, though it’s been many years now that i’ve flown at all.

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  148. honeycomb says:

    Now I would like to hear about that.

    No problemo .. it’ll be an RV-8 from Vans Aircraft.

    I haven’t decided on the finally engine choice .. but it’ll be a low compression Fuel Injected Lycoming for sure.

    It’ll have a tilting canopy (e.g. RV-3 & 4) instead of a sliding canopy. I’m not a fan of the loss of visibility in the slide back canopy. Plus I like the RV-4 style roll-bar. Plus the sliding canopy’s all leak in the rain.

    It’ll be set-up for IFR cross-country and not acro flying. I will still do light acro from time to time .. but I need >165kts and >4 hr legs.

    It also has the cargo space and speed I need with thrifty lean-of-peak engine operations.

    I could just buy one already built .. but with a quick-build option I can be done in less than 1100 hours by myself.

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  149. honeycomb says:

    My bad on botching the previous blockquote.

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  150. BuenaVista says:

    OT, and only if you are into Renaissance art, contemporary theatre, and good singing:

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  151. Liz says:

    ” which airport does Mike fly in and out of in dallas? i’ve flown in and out of dfw a few times over the many years i’ve been in texas … and love field not as much but a few times, too, though it’s been many years now that i’ve flown at all.”

    Right now he’s just in training (retraining…been out the last couple of years). I think they’re only using the simulators. He’ll be flying out of love field I think. 🙂

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  152. Ame says:

    love field is a nice airport. my aspie-girl needed to fly out of dallas a few years ago, and i chose love field b/c it’s easy to manage – worked really well for her 🙂

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  153. Ame says:

    aspie-girl was in a training thing for adult special ed, and the trainer let her dad come speak to them. he’s a pilot, and he said his current (at the time) assignment was to learn how to crash land helicopters, and i believe he said he was doing that in dallas. is there a simulator training place in dallas for stuff like that?

    anyway … Aspie-Girl was entranced with this man’s stories and thought it was really cool to learn how to crash land a helicopter 🙂

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  154. Ame says:

    It’s always good enough in my book .. who needs minimums 😁

    so, Honeycomb … you like to live life on the edge a bit?! 🙂

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  155. BuenaVista says:

    Liz, kind of you to relay it.

    My home airport was inside the Dulles Class B (others, restricted airspace). The approach was non-precision (others, no vertical guidance), just lateral. Your basic dive-and-drive, but lots of big jets in the same place overhead. There is a hill (what Virginians call a “mountain”) to the north, and line of hills (Bull Run Mountains) to the west. So, landing south, you are vectored at minimum altitude over the first mountain, dive over the hospital in Leesburg, remember to arrest descent no lower than 400′ and hope to make ground contact. The problem with the missed, in a piston airplane, is you ain’t going to climb out at 4000′ fpm to the west. You’re struggling to get your speed up and the plane cleaned up and 1000′ fpm is a wet dream.

    After that experience I just stopped and took the Winchester alternate, where I had an ILS (others, vertical guidance), and a 200′ minimum.

    One guy shot that approach once in an Aerostar (Ted Smith design, hot twin designed by Ted Smith, who designed the C-130) and for some reason, his pants were around his ankles and his girlfriends shirt was missing. He hit Catoctin Mountain, and no one knows if he, or the mountain, came first.

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  156. Ame says:

    for Deti … and anyone else who wants to know there are still a few good women out there who support, respect, and love their husbands through life … here’s one. he has ALS, and she’s been his primary caregiver for 2/3 of their married life; they are celebrating their 33rd wedding anniversary today.

    https://unshakablehope.com/2018/11/02/do-all-things-really-work-for-good/

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  157. BuenaVista says:

    RE: Balkans. My next door neighbor to the west was a retired Lt. Commander who flew A-6’s off boats into that shithole. My next door neighbor to the east flew P-3’s at 50′ off Iceland looking for Russian subs. I’m sure there was automation, but I wouldn’t want to fly for 10 hours as PIC 50′ off the deck. We had epic dinner parties. Neighbor to the west drives around an A320 now for UPS. Neighbor to the east was president, Lockheed Martin Asia. He didn’t want to fly any more.

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  158. BuenaVista says:

    Part 91 (guys like me) can “take a look” if the published minimums are 400′ vertical and 1 (mile horizontal (visibility). That was the case in my anecdote. Precision approaches in the USA are usually 200′ and 1/2, and the airline guys can’t approach absent minimums.

    In Europe, which specializes in fog, they have systems to that permit blind landings in planes that are so qualified. It’s too expensive to equip an American fleet to do 0/0 landings, so broad rule of thumb is 200’/1/2 mile. Autopilot on, break out, and make sure you see a runway.

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  159. Cill says:

    “My bad on botching the previous blockquote.”

    The botch existeth no longer it does.
    The bad Yodish persisteths. Yeah.

    (“Yeah” a verb in this context it would be?)

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  160. honeycomb says:

    so, Honeycomb … you like to live life on the edge a bit?! 🙂

    Not anymore. I make electricity at a Nuclear Plant.

    Nothing exciting about that .. HEH!

    But .. I have flown ZERO-ZERO approaches for a living .. those were the days .. 😉

    https://m.aviationweek.com/business-aviation/going-blind-zerozero-landings

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  161. Cill says:

    WTF am I prattling on about? Buggared if I know.

    I woke up in a good mood this morning. That’s seldom a good thing.

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  162. BuenaVista says:

    SWA pilots are the best, not that anyone semi-doxxed her man (Love Field). I believe they still hand-fly approaches, or at least they did five years ago. I always fly SWA if given the choice. They even wear leather flight jackets (or they did …) . They are not button-pusher pilots.

    I got my IFR 25 years ago with a boy who still flies now for SWA. Good stick, that guy. We trained at night in the clag. I would lose the plane and he’d take it in an unusual attitude and he’d set up another try in 30 seconds. My plane is designed to be unstable (to be higher performance) compared to your usual Cessna minivan. This was before graphic panels; we were flying needles, ball, airspeed and a 3.25″ attitude indicator. Smooth as silk, that guy.

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  163. Cill says:

    I blame that blasted trellis fence. Buggar that old widow. Damn and blast. She brings out the worst in me.

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  164. honeycomb says:

    The botch existeth no longer it does.
    The bad Yodish persisteths. Yeah.

    Thanks Cill

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  165. What do you pilot types think about ultra-lights as a hobby?

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  166. Cill says:

    I’m in a bad mood now. Things are looking up. See you later.

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  167. honeycomb says:

    What do you pilot types think about ultra-lights as a hobby?

    Lots of good mnfctr’s out there .. I’ve flown a few .. lots of cheap local fun off grass strips or outta your back yard.

    Get professional flight training. I recommend maybe starting in gliders or an old tube and fabric tailwheel airplane.

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  168. Liz says:

    LOL Cill. 😆
    Good lucketh on the trelliseth.

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  169. BuenaVista says:

    Honeycomb, I applaud the RV choice. A friend, who is a surgeon 70 hours a week, built hers (an RV-14) in one year (with a partner who was retired). Great for grass and lazy barrel loops. Alas, she chose the tricycle gear, but it’s probably just as well. She’s petrified without her graphical panel, and lands crooked instead of using her feet.

    She let me fly it once and started screaming in the unannounced aileron roll. She flew us home from the lunch stop, and after departure, I said, “See this heading relative to the four-square midwestern road grid? Hold that picture for 40 minutes, and you’ll see a big lake.” I turned off the computer. More screaming. I advised her to not fly IFR unless it was a 1000 and three, but that was poorly received. She married someone else.

    I’ve known one doctor who can actually fly, but he hated doctoring, and flew a 180 in Alaska summers. (Others: that’s the most dangerous flying in the USA. Big rocks in those clouds.)

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  170. BuenaVista says:

    Modern ultralights fly better than an Aeronca Champ or Piper J-3 (Cub), two prominent trainers until about 1960. Affirm HC.

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  171. Liz says:

    SWA’s very careful when they hire. A guy from one of Mike’s bases a few years back applied and didn’t ask Mike for a reference.
    They actually called Mike and asked if there was a reason the guy didn’t get a reference from him (there wasn’t…he was a good guy). They pay attention. If they don’t see a large stack of references (if the person has been around a long time…especially a person in a leadership position) that’s a red light to them.

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  172. BuenaVista says:

    On oral traditions, my flying mentor retired with 50,000 hours or so, but we flew tandem fabric aerobatic airplanes on the weekend. So he taught me all the stuff flight schools don’t teach.

    On my *very first flight* he started drilling me on how to talk to ATC and an urban approach controller. Because they know, immediately, on the first radio call, if you’re over your head and scared, and then, forget it. You’re not going to get what you want.

    Key is to sound really, really bored. Also, just talk to them, don’t shout de rigeur NPC phrases.

    After a weekend on Long Island, where I could land my little aerobatic plane on grass and walk to our house, I’d fly back early morning. Dulles was closest to my office. So I flew my little plane into the mix at the international airport.

    Washington has epic thunderstorms, and I could push 140 knots on a good day. I’m hand-flying a fabric tailwheel airplane with one motor into the morning rush, by hand, no moving map shit. Boomers all around.

    Dulles (now Potomac Approach) vectors me into the conga line of massive metal jets.

    Dulles tells to fly into a very black cloud.

    “Negative,” I say. Add nothing. Controller goes nuts. “Negative. I’m not flying into that cloud. I’ll take a 360, or I need a vector 20 right.” Guy blasts the shit out of me. But I had learned from Steve that I decide where the airplane goes. The other guy is on a chair on linoleum. So I discuss that with him. I get the vector. “Speedbird” (British Air 777 or 747 or some such) on the freq says, “Good head work, Alpha Charlie.” I land and a good time was had by all.

    So the oral tradition is being lost to “professional flight schools” and guys who can fly without a computer screen. Anyone over 60 learned to fly with a pencil, a chart, a compass and a watch. They have flown in cloud needle-ball-airspeed. When I’m dead that will be very much gone.

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  173. honeycomb says:

    Affirm HC.

    Affirm BV .. they certainly are.

    Most private pilots need some transition time due to the light wing loading of an ultralight or LSA.

    In fact the data suggests that the LSA market has had a larger number of landing events that damaged aircraft (and the pilots pride) since its inception.

    Pilots of lightly wing loaded aircraft need pay special attention to the wind, landing speed and their control inputs while transtioning from flying to ground operations.

    Good primary flight training .. without any instruments is a must for all new pilots.

    We don’t want more pilots that scream when their technology fails.

    BV .. I’d done a loop right after the aileron roll .. or maybe a half cuban .. either way I’d been laughing.

    PS .. I wished I’d never sold my Champ .. 65 hp .. wooden prop .. hand-prop starts (due to no electrical system) .. tube and fabric tailwheel fun. Basically an ultralight with an app-o-tight for grass.

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  174. BuenaVista says:

    You always know when the guy flying the guppy is Navy. He’s the one pulling the 45 degree bank on departure. Sweet.

    Know when you get a controller’s attention? He says, “Immediate departure, no delay, hard right to the downwind.” OK. And she next says, “Alpha Charlie, I didn’t expect you there yet.” “Uh, here.” “Climb maintain 7000, direct Fort Wayne.”

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  175. BuenaVista says:

    Ya, if KHH can find an old timer who can fly tailwheel, I’d suggest getting the private in an old tailwheel trainer — and then maybe an LSA. KHH: check out RANS. They’re really quite elegant and vastly outperform the J-3s and Champs. Also, cheap to keep.

    You can always tell when an airliner is flown by someone who doesn’t fly tailwheel. They don’t land straight in a crosswind. It’s gross.

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  176. BuenaVista says:

    KHH, you can fly all over the country in an LSA. But you’ll need to learn to scud run (run beneath cloud).

    Duane Cole wrote some out of print books about that. For example, in a simple plane IFR doesn’t mean “Instrument Flight Rules”. It means “I follow railroads.”

    I adapted the Cole Rule and added “I follow interstates.” There are no radio towers in the middle of interstate highway medians. So, in jam without instruments, find a four-lane and fly 100′ up off the median.

    But scud running is dangerous, and recommend you get a pleasant, 80 mph fabric plane, and tootle around on fine days.

    Tailwheel requires your active feet working the rudder, unlike your average minivan of the air. It will take a few more hours before you can solo, but just a few: 3-5, in my case.

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  177. honeycomb says:

    I did some acro training with Marion Franklin Cole .. Duane’s brother .. many many moons ago.

    Anyway .. all those old guys I learned from are all gone .. well most of them.

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  178. BuenaVista says:

    Wow. (Others: flying with the Cole Brothers is like learning football with Johnny Unitas.)

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  179. honeycomb says:

    The story goes .. the student pilot wants to graduate from his Champ (or J-3) and fly a bigger faster machine.

    Champ to C210 to C414 to B200 to LRJET to F14 to DC9 to Concorde to Space Shuttle ..

    As he view the landscape from orbit he see’s a Champ (or J-3) flying off a grass strip .. and he thinks .. boy that’s what I’d rather be doing ..

    👍

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  180. SFC Ton says:

    thedeti says:
    2 November, 2018 at 4:41 pm
    I just want you all to know… I am not having the best day today. I’m writing this shit because if I don’t, I’m going to check myself into the psych ward at the local hospital. Or go Edward Longshanks on some stupid coworker.

    (Not really. It just makes me feel better to write this shit.)
    …..

    In situations where killing/ beating up folks who piss me off isn’t prudent I normally go for making more money then them/ fucking up their business ties etc etc

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  181. honeycomb says:

    Ton ..

    You mean you wouldn’t take the Alec “looney” Baldwin approach?

    https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Alec-Baldwin-Arrested-Fight-New-York-499430941.html

    😂

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  182. SFC Ton says:

    Reckon it would be more fun to winch the other dudes car out into traffic, then park in the empty spot

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  183. Ame says:

    i love y’all’s stories. they take me out of my world for a little bit and give me a much needed mental break 🙂

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  184. honeycomb says:

    Ton .. that would be priceless!

    AME .. happy to help.

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  185. SFC Ton says:

    Even better HC, call the cops and report him for blocking traffic

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  186. “I follow railroads.” Sounds just my style.

    Great info. Thanks all.

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  187. Farm Boy says:

    Deliberate disinformation

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  188. Farm Boy says:

    Justice Sonia Sotomayor says she thought about hitting Antonin Scalia with baseball bat.

    To paraphrase a question recently asked about Brett Kavanaugh, does Sotomayor have the temperament to calmly and impartially serve on the Supreme Court?

    https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/312085/

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  189. Farm Boy says:

    [ Something odd about this headline there is]

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  190. honeycomb says:

    Even better HC, call the cops and report him for blocking traffic

    I like where this is going ..

    Right into my book of knowledge (don’t ask .. it’s a big book .. but it has the best advice on dealing with un-friendly people).

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  191. honeycomb says:

    Regarding ND ad to not vote ..

    https://dailycaller.com/2018/11/01/north-dakota-democrats-facebook-ad-hunters/

    What a heldi-beast .. ugh!

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  192. Farm Boy says:

    It would seem that the Democratic Governor candidate for Georgia is a novelist. Critique her work if you will

    He thrust deep, control broken, shattered. Again and again, deeper and hotter and further than fantasy.
    With urgency, she accepted him, fascinated by the power, and for a moment, she wavered, wondering if she was prepared. In the next second, she knew she could never be.
    Kat moved beneath him, her body too full to stay motionless. Theirs mouths coupled, imitating the dance that frenzied her limbs, wrapping her into him.
    Sebastian flew above her, driven to claim and imprint himself forever. He nuzzled her breast, finding the wild beats, and pressed a kiss just there, sealing his fate.
    He stretched her, drained her, completed her.
    She surrounded him, took him, filled him.

    —————

    She propped herself up, gave herself the satisfaction of studying him. Such a beautiful man. Lean, muscular, and amazingly agile. Twice more, he’d driven her to madness, pleasured her into a torrent of release. And she’d returned the favor; his fevered groans and inventive suggestions still rang against her overly sensitized flesh. The last one had nearly toppled them off the bed.
    Memory brought a naughty giggle to her throat. She held onto the effervescence of sound, to not wake him. But, unable to resist, she lightly stroked away a tiny frown marring his brow.

    —————-

    ‘Love me,’ he demanded, taking her up once more.
    Afraid she did, Kell kissed him, a merger that spoke words she wasn’t ready to say aloud.
    Arousal, ravenous and craven, bent to a stronger, more fragile need that consumed her. She opened for him, and he plunged inside, dragging her to him.
    The rhythm caught them both, drove them to demand then offer. Endlessly, wonderfully, they fell into the greedy darkness and fought to give more than either could have imagined. An explosion, his, hers, theirs, brought twin cries and release.

    —————

    ‘This isn’t right. You don’t know what you want. What you need. I can’t take advantage of that. I won’t—’
    She cut off his denial. ‘No, I’ve never been with anyone before. Because I’ve never wanted anyone before.’
    ‘Which is why this is a mistake. You need time. More time.’ His appeal was desperate. ‘Stay, and I may never let you go.’
    ‘I’m yours.’ The words were erotic threat, voluptuous promise. Erin watched him with glittering eyes, waiting for his reaction.
    Dragging her up, he fused his mouth to hers. Inside, his tongue streaked over and under, drew out ragged moans of pleasure. Their lips mated, parted, sampled. He bound her to him, and he plunged and devoured. Undaunted, she slid her arms around the hardened body and consumed. He tasted and grew impossibly hungry. He feasted and demanded more.

    http://thefederalist.com/2018/11/02/5-excerpts-from-stacey-abramss-hilarious-romance-novels/

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  193. Farm Boy says:

    Liz writes intentionally bad stuff that is better

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  194. Farm Boy says:

    Perhaps Liz will show us how it is done

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  195. SFC Ton says:

    lol Honeycomb, I believe revenge and retribution are a requirement for a masculine civilization

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  196. Farm Boy says:

    Chuck Grassely Criminally Refers Leftwing Activist Who Claimed in Graphic Detail to Have Been Raped by Brett Kavanaugh, But Who Turned Out to Be Decades Older Than Him and Never Having Been in the Same State as Him; She Admits It Was all a “Ploy”

    http://ace.mu.nu/archives/377917.php

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  197. Fnu Mnu Lnu says:

    Garmin 1000?

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  198. Liz says:

    Aw, Thanks for the vote of confidence, Farmboy but I think that one is beyond hope.
    I wouldn’t know where to start trying to rewrite that.
    😆
    She doesn’t even seem to understand basic anatomy (after looking her up and seeing her image, that’s understandable…a foregone conclusion even…whatever anyone presumably did with her it was in the dark, might’ve been with an unfortunate drugged and/or inebriated hapless “seducer”)

    [Perhaps do “Hutt Pron” writing she should]

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  199. Farm Boy says:

    Moore addressed “angry white American guys who are semi-uneducated” in a blatantly sexist and racist rant, gleefully telling his “fellow” man that their “time is up” and they should be replaced by women.

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/37913/watch-michael-moore-goes-full-racist-amanda-prestigiacomo

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  200. mgtowhorseman says:

    Bv and honeycomb

    Bought my place on Utila, 15 NM off Honduras and 20 NM from RTB on Roatan.

    Will eventually want to homebuild an amphibian. Thinking an Osprey or Searay LSA.
    Both have Lycoming or Rotax options.

    Issue is the hop down with ranges of about 350 for both with 30 min reserves.

    Key West to Cancun is not a problem but Cancun to Roatan is 330.

    Thoughts?

    https://www.aopa.org/news-and-media/all-news/2013/april/pilot/searey-s-lsa-fun-on-the-water

    http://www.ospreyaircraft.com/osprey.htm

    https://www.aopa.org/-/media/images/legacy/aopa/home/news/all/2013/april/searey-s-lsa-fun-on-the-water/1304searey1.jpg?w=1020&h=450&as=1&la=en&hash=BEEC18B926BA8CC4144E9E35F5F2D3736F06B40C

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  201. mgtowhorseman says:

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  202. honeycomb says:

    I have a little over 850 hours on floats (I stipped counting years ago when I landed my last float flying job) and a little bit of seabee time .. and twin-bee time. Just enough to be legal to give instruction in them. I’ve always managed to get to fly other peoples machines. Nice folks they all were. That or I’m a little retarded and they felt sorry for me .. heh.

    Though I like amphibs for short hops .. not long cros-country’s .. I’m sure you are keenly aware that a flying boat is neither a good flying or boat machine. With the expense of both added together.

    I like rotax almost as much as lycoming. And I’m a big Lycoming fan.

    Having never flown either .. spend the time and money to find folks with one and demo both.

    ATP: ASEL/AMEL/ASES/AMES
    COM: Glider
    CFI: Airplane/Instrument/Glider
    AGI and IGI
    6 jet type ratings as PIC

    Probably over 300 different makes and models flown as PIC.

    If you want to flight plan and evaluate machines for your needs let me know. I’m sure we can discuss needs and wants -vs- realities of your options.

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  203. BuenaVista says:

    Horseman, I don’t know as much as the Honeycomb. (I still have the jingle for the cereal in my head every time I read that handle, however.)

    But if you want to fly from Ontario to central America, I’d buy a landplane with range, and hire a boat at the other end. Old four cylinder Mooneys (M20C), imo, offer the best mix of decent speed and range. And they’re so stable you might fall asleep. There used to be certified aftermarket tanks you can install, as well, for more range. It’s a very conservative design that is built hell-for-stout. Folklore is that none ever lost a wing in convective activity. If you’re not on speed they pogo on landing.

    The little amphibs you’re talking about don’t work for your flight profile.

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  204. honeycomb says:

    The little amphibs you’re talking about don’t work for your flight profile.

    I recall a quote years ago that was along the lines ..

    “I notice the way things are and the way they ought to be .. and there-in I witness the imperfections as they appear.”

    A mooney is a good airframe .. and IFR / cross-country platform for an owner.

    Though .. If you only make this trip once .. it could be fun ..

    I flew my Champ from Washington to Alabama at 16 years old. Flew south almost to the border .. then east till Alabama.

    All with a VFR map, pencil (and pencil sharpener) and a watch. I still write on my (moving) maps .. heh.

    It took forever .. don’t recall the actual time now .. but I recall that first take-off in that ole yeller bird. The landing in Alabama was memorable too .. everyone in the family was there. I think they were surprised I had made it back .. lol .. of course mom tought both dad and me had lost our minds .. me for doing it and dad for signing my documents so I could do it .. that’s the difference in moms and dads. Dads send ya off to fend for yourself like a man .. and moms wouldn’t let’cha outta da house without a bubble suit.

    Anyway Adult language warning ..

    ..
    ..

    An old saying in aviation goes like this ..

    “If it flies, floats or fks, rent it, don’t buy it.”

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  205. mgtowhorseman says:

    Actually the ferry is a one time deal.

    Once the house is built we will fly commercial down Yyz to Rtb. Keep the bird locally.

    More thinking for the hop between Utila and Roatan where the hardware store, walmart etc is for supplies every few weeks and for playing. Gotta get away from the Mrs somehow.

    Utila has a rough strip Ull, 4200 feet, uncontrolled.

    Was thinking an amphib for going fishing etc. Agreed it is a compromise.
    Alternative would be VariEz or maybe a Kitfox.

    I like the idea that if I want to sightsee, go diving, etc. I have some options.

    After years on the trike I like it down low and slow under 2000 so I can see the world go by.
    Hell if I could figure a way to put a cargo pod on the Northwing for groceries I would cargo container her down.

    Honeycomb my friend I may very well take you up on the offer.
    I can teach you to ride in trade.

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  206. BuenaVista says:

    I flew my J-3 from DC to Iowa once. Against the wind; it was faster going back. (Others: the fuel gauge in a J-3 is a wire attached to a cork in the fuel tank. When the wire is about to touch the cowling, it’s a good time to land.)

    I like paper charts and plates. I had total electrical failure once at night, on the eastern seaboard, and a pencil, watch, chart, flashlight, wet compass etc. Paper works for me. No triple redundant avionics on a little airplane.

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  207. BuenaVista says:

    ” … Honeycomb, Honeycomb, Honeycomb all my own. Breakfast sweet as Honeycomb …” Something like that. Decades-old ear worm. That’s not what we want.

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  208. mgtowhorseman says:

    VFR Visually Follow Roads
    IFR I Follow Roads.

    Panel on the trike doesn’t even have room for the sacred six. Literally needle, ball, airspeed.

    Actually for airspeed I just lower my bandana, smile, and count the bugs per second.

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  209. mgtowhorseman says:

    This guy handled like a boss. (Paraglider not a trike)

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  210. mgtowhorseman says:

    Northwing Maverick similar to my baby, except she is green.

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  211. Cill says:

    FB at 10:37 pm

    Of all the many-various things you’ve posted to date, FB, there has been nothing more downright amusing.

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  212. That “romance” writing was atrocious. I couldn’t even tell which one was the dinosaur!

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  213. Liz says:

    I think Sebastian was a tetradactyl. 😆

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  214. BuenaVista says:

    I wrote a romance novel in 10 days when I was 23. The black ex-con downstairs with the pit bull was annoyed, because electric typewriter. The white ex-con across the hall was incredulous, because electric typewriter. The hipster female with the slightly oversized butt next door asked me, “Are you gay?” when I wouldn’t fuck her. The editor from McMillan who accepted it said I was “cold” when I wouldn’t fuck her. So she killed the book. Summary of BV’s life as a romance novelist.

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  215. Fnu Mnu Lnu says:

    Utila?

    Jealous…

    Utility trailer is the closest i’ll ever come now 😎

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  216. mgtowhorseman says:

    So now we know who wrote “Coffee, Tea or Me”.

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  217. Fnu Mnu Lnu says:

    @thedeti:

    Found this gem for you

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  218. mgtowhorseman says:

    Fml

    Actually cheaper than a cottage lot in Ontario.

    Half acre with ocean front under 50k u.s.
    Build to US standards including hurricane strapping is under 80\sq ft.

    Biggest issue is making the once a day ferry to Roatan for flights and walmart.

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  219. Fnu Mnu Lnu says:

    I can afford the lot, but would have to sleep in a tent!

    Oh well, i can dream…

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  220. Fnu Mnu Lnu says:

    @BV: do you still have it? Doesn’t Amazon do electronic publishing?

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