Pencing


LarryG wrote,

Well, g’day y’all. Just received a curious email (company wide is seems) stating that men should not be using the Pence Rule….oookay. Named after VP Pence, seems that lots of men no will not interact with females in a work environment, mentor, assist, eat or travel with, be in a room alone with or include in social settings. Gee, I wonder why?

Just a silly wild assed guess now on my part, but could it be that men will take precautions against any possible sexual accusations from the workplace feral bitches? Maybe…

MGTOW_Horseman replied,

Good luck enforcing it.
Hmm get disciplined for Pencing or get disciplined for being alone with a coworker on an unsubstantiated charge.

Good way to signal for those with talent and options to exit.

Like every time they announce upcoming layoffs…”why did the good workers quit before we could fire the undesireables?”

If a man is high enough to mentor he is high enough to be a target of the hypergamy and jealousy of the ferals.

LarryG responded,

Exactly. That’s why I got a decent chuckle from such an asinine message. Aaaand just HOW do these geniuses plan to enforce the non-Pence Rule?? Can’t fix stupid.

So how will it be enforced?  Typically there is the carrot and the stick.  What might they look like?

Let us consider the carrot.  The institution implements a formal mentoring program.  People who sign up to be mentors are rewarded with promotions, bonuses, etc.  But, probably not.  These cost money.  Mentoring has never been a major driver in institutions; so would Pencing be enough to make it so?  Probably not, unless the Government got involved.

How about the stick?  Do this mentoring, or you will be given a bad assignment.  Mentoring women with the risk involved already is that bad assignment.

The above are external motivations.  What about internal motivators?  Often, mentors take people under their wing for the sake of the satisfaction of helping another; to watch them grow, as a legacy to the future.  These reasons drive the mentor to do a fine job, perhaps better than might be expected.  If a mentor is forced into an uncomfortable situation, how good will his product be?

As for myself, a number of years ago, an intern passed through.  She was an early twenties minority woman.  She came up to me and stated that she wanted to understand the skill that I had; that is, she wanted me to mentor her.  I thought, “No way, this is just asking for trouble”.   making the decision easy was the fact that she came to work with much cleavage hanging out.  Probably nobody wanted to get involved to tell her that was not how we did business round here.

Short answer — there is human nature involved here (self-preservation) such that conventional incentives might not work well even if institutions desired to make them happen.

Posted in FarmBoy, Feminism, Hypergamy, Lies
221 comments on “Pencing
  1. earl says:

    I got a better plan that would take the Pence and the mentoring rule off the table.

    Just don’t allow women in the workforce anymore. Most of them have shown they can’t handle it anyway.

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  2. So how will it be enforced?

    First HR lets it be known through backchannels that all women are STRONGLY encouraged to report anything they think could POSSIBLY be construed as a male being less than 1000% on board with fulfilling any female’s least desire re: any matter remotely relating to work.

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  3. earl says:

    ‘First HR lets it be known through backchannels that all women are STRONGLY encouraged to report anything they think could POSSIBLY be construed as a male being less than 1000% on board with fulfilling any female’s least desire re: any matter remotely relating to work.’

    Great first they want to divorce because they think that way…now they want to take our jobs too.

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  4. Liz says:

    It was smart of you to decline that mentorship, Farmboy.
    Good grief what a minefield.

    [Yes, apparently two big mines there were]

    A few months back there was a story about an Alaska airline captain who was accused to rape by his (female) copilot.
    They showed a picture of him taken at some bar, toasting the camera with a yellow solo cup. And an image of her in a photo next to him look professional and smiling in her uniform.

    The commentary was (predictably) rich, with demands all around that Alaska Air fire this Captain (“I’m never flying again if this Captain isn’t fired!”….sure thing bitch, you are lying through your teeth, there’s no way you’ll pass up a flight if it’s even a buck cheaper)

    But the important point is this:
    1) She was seen drunk as a skunk by a flight attendant who said she didn’t feel safe to fly the next day with this woman (who became “too ill to fly”). This was caught on video.
    2) Airlines do routine random drug and alcohol testing regularly. Especially if a stew cites a reason like, “I saw that pilot drunk recently! She probably still is!” Now….a pilot can decline the test, but not if they want to continue to work. So the evidence would indicate the Captain who was able to fly the plane back was fine, the person who could not because she was “ill” not so much.
    3) She did not take a drug test (see above) nor did she accuse him of assault at the time but later, while on probation, claimed that she believed she was drugged and raped (apparently the Captain was willing to drug his own copilot in an industry that drug tests routinely…because, well….it’s important not to think too deeply on that one).

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  5. Liz says:

    The worst thing about cases like the above….there’s never complete information.
    The airline typically says nothing, the accused isn’t allowed to say anything and they probably (I don’t know if this case was resolved yet, but I can hazard a big guess) just pay off the accuser because she’s already won over the public and no one cares about the facts.

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  6. Liz says:

    Might as well include a link of the photo (imagine being this guy). Fox news, of all rags, did the worst spin of all:
    http://www.foxnews.com/travel/2018/03/15/alaska-airlines-pilot-accused-rape-grounded-as-shocking-details-emerge-outcry-grows.html

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  7. Liz says:

    Just to add, re-reading the article (I’ve read up on the story in numerous places) it has a few facts outright wrong. Most of it is factually correct, but spun into the equivalent of fake news.

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  8. Larry G says:

    Well, well…it’s been one hell of an interesting day. That little email from this morning got zero feedback or replies evidently. Such a shame. Seems that there was a huge hole where the male wanna-be mentors should have been to volunteer for suicide duty..it was such a good idea too.

    Off the company clock and computers I chatted with a few male co-workers about this morning’s little corporate jewel; kept hearing the same same theme starting with “a cold day in hell….”.

    An engineer with seniority and pulling six figures is not willing to risk it all to help a set of tits and ass advance up over him into the heady world of management? But why? LOL.

    The tactic of choice in the workplace is:
    https://www.psychologicalscience.org/news/minds-business/workplace-ostracism-more-distressing-than-harassment.html#.WW4yMcYZPBI

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  9. Larry G says:

    BTW…I dodged a like bullet quite some years ago when it was “suggested” I take a sweet young thing under my wing…I politely told them that I was not paid to be a teacher and it would be much better for them to find some one willing to do this dirty little deed…

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  10. Liz says:

    Twat waffle promotion to jabba the cunt….
    is that a critical mass thing? 😆

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  11. BuenaVista says:

    As KH noted, it’s trivial to drop the hammer on any guy who Pences. They just call social discretion a form of workplace harassment, and boom, it’s EEOC time, your career is badly damaged, and you’ll have to change companies. Socially aggressive at work? Harassment. Introverted and silent at work? Harassment. The next installment will be when the young femme complains to HR that the guy who is trying to teach her something “is always mansplaining.”

    As early as 1994 or so virtually NO NADA ZILCH females in my companies had a male supervisor, other than my own direct reports. My secretary sat in with me as an observer of any interaction with junior female staff.

    The cliche about women being tougher on female subordinates than men would be is true, incidentally. You could hear our CFO from 50 meters if she was displeased. My HR exec was the daughter of a disabled colonel, Army SF. When *she* started swearing at you, your eyes watered.

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  12. honeycomb says:

    Yenz’ must’ta missed this ..

    Reverse Mentoring .. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/2018/08/09/male-pale-stale-university-professors-given-reverse-mentors/

    “As you were” .. lol .. military humor

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  13. BuenaVista says:

    On the Alaska Air deal, 1) I’d be curious how she’s scored lately in the sim. Can she fly? Or is she an Army helo pilot who is a diversity hire? 2) Was it the first time she was “too ill to fly”, the next day? If not, she needed an out. 3) Don’t you love it when a reporter notes in detail that a man was delivering drinks in sequence (one, two) to the woman, by her account, when she can’t remember the evening? 4) How about her detail on how the next morning her birth control pill made her vomit? Those babies are tiny. 5) What happened over the seventh month period to convince her to file her complaint? 6) The initial call to ALPA is weird, because their job is to help pilots keep their privileges and job when something goes bad. Not do counseling, rape kits or law enforcement referrals. Maybe she needed help understanding being 39, childless and single, which she makes explicit reference to.

    This story is all fake verisimilitude.

    Sure, he could have drugged her in front of witnesses and raped her and missed his dispatcher’s call and endangered his career and pension, if not his liberty. Most pilots are better risk managers than that, however. And if not, are already in rehab.

    My money is on that she is a mediocre pilot who has a secret drinking/substance abuse problem, and she had been warned about being in shape in the morning. She also is a late-30’s desperate woman in a business where colleagues regularly hook up, some captains have one or two ex-wives, and every senior captain is a prospect for a younger stew or pilot.

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  14. mgtowhorseman says:

    From the OP

    “Short answer — there is human nature involved here (self-preservation) such that conventional incentives might not work well even if institutions desired to make them happen.”

    Ding ding Winner!!

    Answered your own post! Self preservation which creates the Pence rule which is to avoid an already perceived stick or threat. And what carrot could possibly override self preservation in the workplace.

    We are done here. Next topic. Moving On.

    (Filed under unintended consequences of the moronic kind.)

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  15. mgtowhorseman says:

    “Great first they want to divorce because they think that way…now they want to take our jobs too”

    If they are coming to the men for mentoring or help its because they know they can’t do the job. Why “No” at work scares the shit out of them.

    Had our accountant who the boss wanted to make finance manager come to me repeatedly to help her with excel formulas. It was towards the end when I knew people were gunning for me. I would just say No without explanation.

    The boss came and ordered me to. So I said I would but I would also in the next manager meeting ask our IT manager to provide additional training to all 15 managers because our soon to be finance manager couldn’t use a financial program.

    She stormed out.

    Vulcans never bluff! Andorians never help!

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  16. mgtowhorseman says:

    Bv.
    Besides at this rate the men coming up behind us wont have nor want “careers.”
    For the reasons you cite many wont take promotion cause the money aint worth it.

    They will just have valuable skills and will shop them.

    1990s layoffs killed company loyalty.
    2018 is killing corporate “culture.”
    Soon it will be “I have skills, you pay me, i use them. Any bullshit on either side and we go our seperate ways. Capiche?”

    Companies who do crater to the womenz will find that thats all they can hire.

    Mgtow applies to all life, not just sex.

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  17. Cheque d'Out says:

    aWokening intensifies

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  18. Larry G says:

    “If they are coming to the men for mentoring or help its because they know they can’t do the job. Why “No” at work scares the shit out of them.”

    Love it! Rather than snivel and cry about the men not “stepping up” to helping these poor things, make the FEMALES mentor the little darlings. That should work real well don’t chathink?

    Bitch, meet Door. Door, meet Bitch. Door, feel free to smack Bitch hard in the ass as it leaves!

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  19. Larry G says:

    “Companies who do crater to the womenz will find that that’s all they can hire.”

    aand those companies will find that they are royally fucked. Gee, seems that the females are none too happy now that they have “equality”, eh? Bwhahahahahahahah!

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  20. Liz says:

    ‘Sure, he could have drugged her in front of witnesses and raped her and missed his dispatcher’s call and endangered his career and pension, if not his liberty.”

    Hotels (and the after hours airline staff concierge lounge, where the ostensible “drugging” occurred) typically have a lot of video surveillance (way for the hotel to cover its ass).
    This case was solved before the “victim” contacted the media. The fact the Captain continued to fly and she didn’t tells us pretty much all we need to know (fwiw, he also passed a lie detector test).
    Seems like the photos bother me a lot more than most people. I showed that image on FB in a conservative private group and no one agreed with me that there was anything wrong with it…guess I’m just seeing a different movie than others. Seriously….were more professional photos impossible to find for a man who flew over the course of 24 years? What the media did to this person is absolutely nauseating.

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  21. Fnu Mnu Lnu says:

    The more you make special rules for a certain group, the more that everyone else will dislike them.

    If you need to make special concessions for someone, then they will never be equal.

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  22. Liz says:

    For clarity: I mean the public areas of hotels have video surveillance (halls, concierge lounge, and so forth). They’ve aided many an OSI investigation.

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  23. Liz says:

    HC’s article above on “reverse mentoring”
    .https://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/2018/08/09/male-pale-stale-university-professors-given-reverse-mentors/

    Articles like this make it very hard for the Onion or Babylon Bee to compete. Good grief.
    Is this honestly real?

    “Under the project, white men in senior academic posts will be assigned a junior female colleague from an ethnic minority as a mentor.

    Prof John Rowe, who is overseeing the project at Birmingham University, said he hoped the scheme will allow eminent professors to confront their own biases and leave them “feeling quite uncomfortable”.

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  24. Farm Boy says:

    Socialist Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez claimed on Wednesday that the United States government is allowing global warming to kill Americans and provided absolutely no evidence whatsoever to validate her claims.

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/34904/ocasio-cortez-claims-global-warming-killing-ryan-saavedra

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  25. Liz says:

    ‘“While it is well known and obvious that women and minority groups suffer setbacks to their career progression no one really understands why.”

    Everyone knows why. Some folks just don’t like the answer.

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  26. Fnu Mnu Lnu says:

    And ???

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  27. BuenaVista says:

    In regard to ‘reverse mentoring’, here is a helpful chart that a feminist with a major following has developed. It explains to men when they are mansplaining, and also when they should just shut up. She said that she was repeatedly asked by men to teach them when they are mansplaining, so she decided to help them out.

    So, no. We’re not even close to Peak Feminism. They’re already planning to have incompetent junior females police the leadership and management of senior male staff. (They already police their simple social interactions.)

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  28. Larry G says:

    almost everything being discussed seems to be the rotten results of so called modern, liberal, western, feminist corrupted societies. People in third world and developing countries don’t seem to have the luxury of the females waging war on their men.

    I do get a great deal of amusement watching these moronic western females carry on, whining like spoiled little children till the grownups finally cave in and give them candy. Going to be a real bitch when the men are needed again to defend the little cupcakes, but the men left for vacation and never came back.

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  29. Liz says:

    “They’re already planning to have incompetent junior females police the leadership and management of senior male staff. (They already police their simple social interactions.”

    But how can a company that does that compete? I can understand a government organization doing this (and education, including higher education, has become a defacto government agency) but in private industry how does this work?

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  30. Larry G says:

    Liz,
    “but in private industry how does this work?”

    Not well. Not well at all.

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  31. BuenaVista says:

    I thought the article said that the captain had been taken off the line.

    Anyway, the video surveillance angle is interesting, but I’d be surprised if the hotel archives tape more than a few days. Because she didn’t realize that she had an actionable complaint for months, I doubt it’s available to exonerate him.

    I was visiting a friend last week. For the first time in my (private, social) life I cased the room for recording devices. Staring at the ceiling at 3 a.m. I saw the blinking light of the ‘smoke detector’ mounted center-ceiling. (Other good candidates are a ‘digital alarm clock’ and a ‘AC-DC converter’ plugged into a wall outlet.) Last winter I learned that her parents, who live across the street, tape the street in front of their house. “Why were you parked in front of so-and-so’s house at 10 p.m. Tuesday?” asked the friendly constable.

    Again, her only call to the outside was to ALPA. You call ALPA when you’ve fucked up, or ATC says you fucked up, or you crashed. ALPA is where you go to keep your job after an event that threatens your union job at an airline. I don’t know why a pilot in good standing would call a union rep when she says she’s been raped (and probably kidnapped).

    I’ve mentioned that I have a friend of 20+ years who is now a captain for a major legacy airline. She had an ‘ooops!’ pregnancy and shotgun marriage last year, at age 40. I was invited to the wedding; declined. I’ve heard from her twice since: once, in a panic at the pre-nup her husband presented a few weeks before the very fancy wedding; second, this week, seeking book recommendations ‘because my husband doesn’t fucking read.’ In general, late-stage childless women (my ooops! pregnancy occurred when the woman was 37) are really, really dangerous.

    ***

    The truly weird detail of her mentioning her taking her birth control pill has bothered me. Now I think I know why she volunteered this truly irrelevant detail. It was a defensive, pre-emptive detail to refute the unasked question: was she attempting to get pregnant with the guy? As in, “Of course I’m on the pill … don’t even go there.” Why in the world, in a major criminal accusation, would your method of birth control be notable?

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  32. Liz says:

    LOL I know Larry, but I’m more curious about the enforcement arm. The female pilot in the article was only “successful” because she went to the media. In the private industry how would a person like Goodwin above hold any real power over the company?

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  33. BuenaVista says:

    They can’t compete, in the abstract. In reality, you’ll have companies organized like Google where a small group produce 100x the value of a herd of nattering groupthinkers. Since every other company will do the same, it’ll be a pretty level playing field.

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  34. Liz says:

    ” thought the article said that the captain had been taken off the line.”

    He was….but only after she went to the media and the screaming hordes descended on the airline demanding they remove him.

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  35. BuenaVista says:

    All companies cave before media shaming, Liz. This is a 30 year-old stratagem: take the complaint to media and professional associations. Immediately, customers and prospects start calling and threatening to drop out. It’s much more efficient than calling the police, who ask difficult question

    I have more experience with this than I wish I did. It had a terrible effect on my marriage; I was the #2 in a company where the founder’s brother liked to post dirty pictures in the company kitchen in the name of freedom, and the founder hired a stripper once for a programmer’s birthday party. I was required as COO to clean it up.

    What I settled on as a policy a few years later when I had my own company was to tell any employee who threatened us, or her/his attorneyl, “I never settle. File the complaint. We will never settle. We’re going to trial.” That got rid of every subsequent shake-down, because contingency fee lawyers don’t want to actually go to court; too expensive. It drove their lawyers crazy when I just said, “I don’t give a fuck what your client thinks. I fired him/her for a reason and this is a hire-at-will state anyway. I’m not settling. Stop writing me nasty-grams and file the complaint.”

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  36. Larry G says:

    “What I settled on as a policy a few years later when I had my own company was to tell any employee who threatened us, or her/his attorneyl, “I never settle. File the complaint. We will never settle. We’re going to trial.” That got rid of every subsequent shake-down, because contingency fee lawyers don’t want to actually go to court; too expensive. It drove their lawyers crazy when I just said, “I don’t give a fuck what your client thinks. I fired him/her for a reason and this is a hire-at-will state anyway. I’m not settling. Stop writing me nasty-grams and file the complaint.”

    Hell yeah! If every females who accused had to cough up actionable proof in court, fuck the media, then these attention whores would have serious second thoughts about opening their mouths. When the females are proved to be liars, prosecute their asses to the fullest extent possible

    You have my applause, BV.

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  37. Fnu Mnu Lnu says:

    And?

    Like making false claims without any evidence, is something new for the left.

    And? So?

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  38. Liz says:

    Think I’ve mentioned before that Mike served on a Courts Martial board for a rape case when he was an Lt. This was mid nineties, or thereabouts. Anyway, it was gross miscarriage of justice and the first taste we had of “the system” (no 12 angry men in the military justice system, only majority needed to convict, not unanimity). To this day (over 20 years later), in the civilian court the same type of case would’ve likely never made it to trial in the first place.
    So it do worry about our son entering the service, and this is a big reason.
    And he has signed the papers, so I do have some serious vested interest when I say things have gotten better recently.
    Step back and watch how Trump’s enemies have been eat themselves… the actual Ivory tower crowd from Hollywood to the DNC… even the NFL.
    I’m not sure if he is lucky, or engineered this, or was he at the right place at the right time to push normal productive society to call bullshít on the unrealistic yapping idealists, manipulative leftists, and hypocritical busybodies….

    But it’s happening. Someone like the feminist above can make all the charts she wants, it only makes her look more foolish.

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  39. BuenaVista says:

    LIz,

    Perhaps Trump is just a catalytic agent for a hitherto unspoken sentiment that the SJWs and their PC Talk Rules have gone too far. I don’t know. Supposedly 37% of his voters say they will not publicly admit they voted for him. Goodwin’s chart is going viral.

    I think the Goodwin chart is actually how education is conducted now. As in, “Don’t speak unless you’re spoken to and invited to contribute, white male student.” I have a vested interest there, as well.

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  40. BuenaVista says:

    Larry, it’s not just females. I hired an SVP at an exorbitant salary from AIG once. He was a minority, and he was accustomed to Wall Street’s gentleman’s agreement that if you are ever fired, you get a year or so of severance.

    He didn’t do anything for us, so I shitcanned him with $0 severance. (None was negotiated in his employment agreement.) His lawyer seemed very perplexed when my lawyer told him, “BV handles these things directly. Call him.” He seemed more perplexed when I ignored his threats and his letters saying how expensive it would be to lose in court. (A little like the helo pilot mentioning her birth control pill: the opposite of what he really meant, which was it would be expensive for HIM to lose in court.)

    So it’s not just females. We inhabit a grievance culture.

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  41. Fnu Mnu Lnu says:

    The problem is that too many people are buying in to the yapping idealists and their faux-issues.

    They are full of complaints about everything, and don’t have a realistic solution to anything.

    I am so glad that i am retired and no longer have to deal with this kind of nonsense.

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  42. Liz says:

    “The problem is that too many people are buying in to the yapping idealists and their faux-issues.”

    It sucks balls…no argument there.
    The question is “is it getting worse?”
    I don’t think so, for the reasons I stated.
    (education excepted, that’s going to destroy itself too but it will take time….student loan scam has to be included in the equation and that will take a long while to burn itself out, with some very very bad consequences)

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  43. mgtowhorseman says:

    “where a small group produce 100x the value of a herd of nattering groupthinkers. Since every other company will do the same, it’ll be a pretty level playing field.”

    True.

    But who are the members of these small groups that actually do the work?

    And why are they Pencing?
    Why are you pissing them off?
    Don’t you know that They know they have options?

    “If you can’t be nice to the herd, don’t work here.”

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  44. Fnu Mnu Lnu says:

    I think it is getting worse, and will continue to get worse.

    Just look at the popularity of Ocasio-Cortez, despite her lack of knowledge of how things really are. Look at the increasing presence of AntiFa, and the continued violence against anyone who doesn’t agree with their position. Look at the increasing hatred of and calling for the dissolution of ICE. Look at how the Dems are ignoring the murder of that young girl in Iowa, and still call for legalizing people who entered our country illegally.

    They are intolerant of differing views, and doing everything they can to stifle others.

    We are not headed in a good direction at all.

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  45. BuenaVista says:

    “If you can’t be nice to the herd, don’t work here.”

    You can’t get through grade school, let alone a highly selective college, without being forcibly trained in pretending to give a shit what your classmates think — say on a “group project” where you have 10 people, but only one or two do all the work. Upon completion, they’re taught to tell everyone, “Gosh we could never have done it without everyone’s unique contribution.”

    I think this is now perceived to be the normal social model by under-30’s. It’s all they’ve known. The notion that one designs a business to locate and enable the 100x personalities is perceived to be unfair, elitist, unsafe, upsetting, scary, all that stuff college kids whine about when someone disagrees with them or calls their work inadequate.

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  46. Liz says:

    “Look at how the Dems are ignoring the murder of that young girl in Iowa, and still call for legalizing people who entered our country illegally.”

    A year and a half ago, I doubt it would’ve made national news to begin with.
    We had the rough equivalent of a biological weapon inflicted on us for years and it was practically crickets until the last year and a half or so.

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  47. earl says:

    ‘Just look at the popularity of Ocasio-Cortez, despite her lack of knowledge of how things really are.’

    Mostly big media driven popularity.

    ‘Look at the increasing presence of AntiFa, and the continued violence against anyone who doesn’t agree with their position.’

    Mostly paid protesters by Soros funded groups.

    ‘Look at the increasing hatred of and calling for the dissolution of ICE.’

    From the democrats.

    ‘Look at how the Dems are ignoring the murder of that young girl in Iowa, and still call for legalizing people who entered our country illegally.’

    They know where their bread is buttered. It isn’t supporting the citizens, it’s supporting the rich globalists.

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  48. BuenaVista says:

    This is from Ohio State. Like the F.O. from Alaska Airlines, she recovered her memory of being assaulted seven months after the fact, then set out to ruin a man’s life with the assistance of one of the largest universities in the world:

    “The accused student in this case, John Doe, had met his eventual accuser, Jane Roe (as they are referred to in court documents), while John was a student at OSU and worked as a registered nurse at the school’s Wexner Medical Center (WMC) in 2012. They dated through 2014, during which time Jane (by her own admission) initiated much of the sexual contact. It was John who ended the relationship after Jane told him she loved him but he did not want a committed relationship. Seven months after they broke up, Jane accused John of sexually assaulting her on their last date, November 20, 2014. John was found responsible and expelled from the university and fired from the WMC.”

    After I got divorced, I was dating a Russian and it was hot and heavy. One day I learned from her that she had been married one more time than she had previously told me. I ended the relationship but we had a goodbye encounter.

    Later, she told me that that last time was the only time she didn’t want to sleep with me. I wonder if she contemplated an assault complaint; she was definitely enraged. (Probably not, because she had things to hide.)

    But anyway, I recently told an estranged friend who wanted to “meet for coffee” that I didn’t think we should see each other for awhile. (We’ve never successfully just “met for coffee. It wasn’t just the coffee that was hot.) Another example as to why I don’t think we’ve even approached Peak Feminism, contra Liz.

    Perhaps the military is improving simply because 70% of eligible young men are too obese, or drug-infused, to qualify. And they need to do something to get the 30% to show up. This is not true in the culture common to schools and corporations and all the bogus “professions” that the government sustains now.

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  49. I hope it’s going in the right direction but I can also see it possibly snapping back rather badly in the other direction as fml says. Very weird times.

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  50. After the election I initially thought, “whew! Ok the cray cray is over.” But it’s just ratcheted up. True the average person sees the cray now bc of that, I hear red pill type discussions now out in the open, in line at the grocery store or at restaurants, for example. But if there is a backlash, I fear we are talking dark ages or something like it. Hopefully it does not go there. Hopefully too many are awake.

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  51. Liz says:

    “Perhaps the military is improving simply because 70% of eligible young men are too obese, or drug-infused, to qualify. And they need to do something to get the 30% to show up.”

    It is desperation that is driving the change. 100 percent right. No argument there.

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  52. BuenaVista says:

    Retroactive rape complaints (deciding months or years later that a sexual encounter was rape) is a feature of the emerging Feminine Imperative. Even 15 years ago this kind of talk would be laughed out of the room. I expect it will be featured prominently in divorce proceedings soon. (“And he raped me every night for years!”)

    Women really, really are not going to enjoy the response to this. NAWALT or “Come back, I’ll be nice this time” are joke rebuttals. It’s like listening to all the assholes today saying Mollie Tibbetts could just as easily been killed by a citizen, because illegals commit fewer crimes than natives. (That’s a total shibboleth, but another day.) It doesn’t matter if you’re the male equivalent of Mollie; you’re fucking dead.

    One unintended benefit, I suspect, as women slowly gain the realization that vine-swinging hypergamy may not result in a replacement marriage-sinecure, is that more of them will stay married to what they’ve already got. I wouldn’t want to be that husband, probably, as she will project her unhappiness on his sorry ass. But it will be good for children to retain an intact family.

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  53. BuenaVista says:

    I’ll stfu now but what I’m trying to argue is that Peak Feminism isn’t even on the horizon yet because the legal, financial and criminal advantages that we see today are a pale shadow of what is planned for tomorrow. How do you get married if you can claim, successfully, that you were a rape victim some months in the past, just forgot to call the cops or tell anyone or go to emergency?

    See earlier notes on home video surveillance. Are men to surreptitiously tape their spouses or girlfriends now? And archive months of taped intimacies?

    Women really, really aren’t going to like where this is going. Rapid lesbian feminists — who control the ideology that’s given us the Feminine Imperative — are going to dig it. Because of my catch and release and catch dating style, discussions of marriage or cohabitation come up and in my anecdotal experience, I see women thinking if not saying, “It’s not supposed to work this way.” No shit, sherlock.

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  54. Liz says:

    Also, I’m saying it’s great, to make sure I’m clear on this: It’s still worse than the civilian world by far. It’s a government run entity. It’s shifting….this process is slow, but apparent.

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  55. Liz says:

    NOT saying it’s great. Good grief, sorry BV your last two up there popped up while I was posting so I didn’t read them. The USAF has set a moratorium on assault claims after the fact (they had to, just too many women claiming rape years after the fact, often during divorce proceedings, “Hey I was raped on our first date, then we married for a few years…but now I’m pressing charges!”) Unfortunately the moratorium is still ridiculously long (I think it’s three years now).

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  56. Liz says:

    Perhaps the word is statute of limitations…

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  57. earl says:

    Adam took something I mentioned and explained it well.

    ‘Feminism is socialism’

    https://pushingrubberdownhill.com/2018/08/23/feminism-is-socialism/

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  58. BuenaVista says:

    “I hope it’s going in the right direction but I can also see it possibly snapping back rather badly in the other direction as fml says.”

    So, I lied.

    Bloom hopes things are getting better but is concerned about a reversion to ‘dark ages.’

    I just see this as wishful thinking, coupled with the usual “if we let men decide, it will be The Handmaid’s Tale.”

    It is not getting better. Example: I teach and work part-time at a rural university in a profoundly conservative area. Over the summer, anonymous complaints were raised with campus security, about an older man who was always in the library, and “it makes me uncomfortable” etc. I’ve been asked several times by security why I work such long hours on campus. (“Because that’s how I work.”)

    When I teach this fall I will avoid my students outside of the classroom.

    I also take my computer to a lakeside park where we have WiFi and I might work well into the night at a picnic table. City police stop me once a month, saying, “People just think it’s strange that you’re here alone, why are you here?” Public park, lake, free wifi, no curfew in park. Why do I exist? Some matron wants to know, guy with guns investigates.

    The problem is I’m a single white man, who appears semi-athletic when I’m not using my cane.

    I returned my food at the McD’s the other night for being cold. The female manager refunded my money and called me a bigot for asking why they would serve cold food, seemed a bit counter-cultural. (Store had a Caucasian manager, all staff of indeterminate origin and language skills.)

    This is all just 1-2 years old. Things are not getting better. The feminists are now consolidating their wins, and doing the equivalent of going door-to-door without fear. These are the emerging Dark Ages. Men neither created the Dark Ages nor wish to re-impose them in a reactive fashion. Women acquiesce to those advancing pathologically hateful ideology, and it is therefore mainstream. One CNN female talking head, who on Twitter calls herself “spokesperson for the culture”, says that Mollie wasn’t killed by an illegal; she was killed by “toxic masculinity” which knows no borders. This is a celebrated opinion and it is mainstream. A woman wrote The Handmaid’s Tale, and it is women who think it’s a great novel and teleplay. They are the market for that crap. They are the ones seeking an inverted Sharia, with men in the role of subservient, silent utilities. Not men.

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  59. Larry G says:

    BV,
    “I’ll stfu now but what I’m trying to argue is that Peak Feminism isn’t even on the horizon yet ”

    I would much prefer that you did NOT stfu,

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  60. Larry G says:

    Only a few years ago during a particularly nasty early spring snowstorm, I had the distinct pleasure of watching one of the office younger and highly unqualified femicunts go out to her car, clean the snow off then, damn, it would not start! This piece of work had worn a path in the carpet to HR filing her hurt feelz bitching.

    I get the “hep me, Forest, hep me!” look from the twat. I graciously pulled up next to her and asked what was wrong? Car won’t start? Gee, that’s a bitch. Probably be a good idea to call someone who gives a shit about your issues then, eh?

    The initial look of despair followed by helpless fury on her face, priceless.

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  61. Liz says:

    “So, I lied.”

    I hope you continue to lie, BV….because I want you to keep posting.

    This will have to be my last post for the day (Mike has noticed, and noted, my astounding lack of productivity since we got the internet, and there’s only so much Italian intrigue I can pull off before he puts me on restriction, “but mah freedom!”)

    [Very productive you have been,
    Say I would]

    I never thought I’d see Trump elected.
    He was.
    I never thought the military would get rid of any regulations or see any real changes for the better.
    It has.
    I’m sure I live in a confirmation bias riddled environment, but from our vantage point things are getting better. If I watch the media, it looks like things are getting worse…but they’re kind of in the habit of being wrong.

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  62. Larry G says:

    Liz,
    “I’m sure I live in a confirmation bias riddled environment, but from our vantage point things are getting better.”

    I keep hoping for an ELE asteroid strike to clean this dirt ball up. The dolphins deserve a chance……I best drag my ass back to work too

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  63. BuenaVista says:

    This … is CNN. That is, this is mainstream opinion. Don’t deport illiterate, shit-shoveling illegals who murder, as they are no different than any other guy walking down the street whose legal status and family achievements as citizens are irrelevant.

    Repeat: this is mainstream opinion. The feminist icons (Grier, MacKinnon, Dvorkin — lesbians who asserted that all heterosexual sex is rape) made their careers introducing these ideas in the 70’s and 80’s. Everyone said, Oh, don’t be silly, NAWALT. The Handmaid’s Tale was published in the 1980’s by Atwood. It is a blowout popular success this year.

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  64. honeycomb says:

    Mollie should’ve told that old white man Foreign Invader to “suck her twigs and leaves I work for Feminists” .. and everything would’ve worked out for her ..

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-6090055/Suck-d-k-b-s-Woman-loses-NASA-internship-following-profanity-laden-tweet.html

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  65. Larry G says:

    “Don’t deport illiterate, shit-shoveling illegals who murder, as they are no different than any other guy walking down the street whose legal status and family achievements as citizens are irrelevant.”

    Well now, that is a very enlightened and tolerant attitude from CNN.. Poor little brown mexican’t came here only looking for a good life, government cash and prizes, liberal shit-for-brains falling all over themselves being “welcoming, inclusive and understanding”.

    So what’s a little murder between friends?

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  66. Cheque d'Out says:

    “The initial look of despair followed by helpless fury on her face, priceless.”

    I swear that I wouldn’t care what bitches women could be if they didn’t expect every man to lay down their every interest to help them out. It’s the having it both ways that still pisses me off.

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  67. Farm Boy says:

    When men do something wrong… “Arrest him!” “Toxic masculinity!” “Rape culture!” “We need more laws!”

    When women do something wrong… “She’s only human ??” pic.twitter.com/AuZFGxizQi

    — Roosh (@rooshv) August 22, 2018

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  68. Fnu Mnu Lnu says:

    You are late to the dance. It has been part of divorce proceedings for years. My ex tried that tact as well, saying we hadn’t had consensual sex since 2003.

    She completely neglected to mention the fact that she woke me up by giving me a blow job after her re-elections in 2004 and 2008, amongst others.

    This kind of fabrication is the direct result of knowing people aren’t ever held accountable for those types of lies. Rev Al & Tawana Brawley should have gone to jail for what they did. The DA in the Duke player case, should have spent serious time in jail. Prosecutors refuse to file charges against these liars, saying that it ‘might stifle people from reporting real crimes’. No, all that does is embolden people to make things up.

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  69. earl says:

    ‘Mollie Tibbetts was murdered b/c she told a man to leave her alone while she was jogging. Her murderer happens to be undocumented. This isn’t about border security. This is about toxic masculinity. Mollie Tibbetts lost her life b/c a man couldn’t take her saying no.’

    Is that story even true…or what feminists think happened?

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  70. earl says:

    “When women do something wrong… “She’s only human ??”

    Well we can’t possibly hold women accountable for vile actions…that would pretty much expose the whole feminist ethos for what it is.

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  71. SFC Ton says:

    Clealry we can make a case for things getting worse/ things getting better

    I don’t see things getting to much worse myself. #1 it’s just getting to the point where everyday feminist are saying what the fuck and there is finally some push back.

    Either way, men will continue to withdrawal/ do the pua style life etc etc long after any turn around occurs

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  72. SFC Ton says:

    No other potus of my lifetime would do this, a sign of change for the better…. though how long said change will last is open to debate

    https://newsone.com/3823263/trump-tweet-south-africa-white-farmers/

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  73. thedeti says:

    BV Said:

    I’ve mentioned that I have a friend of 20+ years who is now a captain for a major legacy airline. She had an ‘ooops!’ pregnancy and shotgun marriage last year, at age 40.

    That poor kid. His parents will be divorced before he makes it to kindergarten.

    I give the marriage 5 years tops. My money is they might make it to year 2 or 3.

    I was thinking about my own marriage and the sacrifices I’ve made for my kids. If you people only knew what I’ve gone through to spare my children pain…..

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  74. Fnu Mnu Lnu says:

    You Are Not Alone in that…

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  75. SFC Ton says:

    We’ll know we have hit peak feminism when umc and church going pussies start manning up and putting bitches in their place/ walking away

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  76. Larry G says:

    “We’ll know we have hit peak feminism when umc and church going pussies start manning up and putting bitches in their place/ walking away”

    YES!

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  77. thedeti says:

    I knew this was coming.

    10 years ago: “This guy at work… he keeps wanting to talk to me. Wherever I am, he shows up. He wants to talk to me privately and he invited me to his house to “work together” and “discuss some things”. He’s harassing me.

    Today: “This guy at work… he won’t talk to me at all. Wherever I am, he walks away or ignores me. He’s a supervisor and I work for him and sometimes we have to talk, but he will not meet with me privately. He always insists on having his secretary with me whenever we talk. He won’t go out for drinks after work with everyone else. He refused to come to my house even to drop something off, when I really needed it. He’s harassing me.

    10 years ago: “Don’t come in here and shut the door expecting to meet with me alone under the guise of “discussing work” or “mentoring”. That’s harassment.”

    Today: “He won’t come in here and meet privately. He won’t discuss work with me unless someone else is here. He explicitly refused to mentor me. That’s harassment.”

    10 years ago: If you talk to a woman you don’t have a reason to talk to, that’s harassment.

    Today: If you don’t talk to a woman because you fear being accused of harassment, that’s harassment.

    10 years ago: If you mentor women, that’s harassment.

    Today: If you won’t mentor women, that’s harassment.

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  78. thedeti says:

    So let me get this straight.

    If you follow the rules because you don’t want to be accused of harassment, that’s harassment.

    If you avoid women at work because you don’t want to run afoul of anti-harassment policies, that’s harassment.

    If you won’t mentor women specifically because you want women to be comfortable with your existence in the office and they can tolerate your existence because you never interact with them, that’s harassment.

    If you’re a man who’s concerned about not harassing women, you’re harassing women.

    If you’re a man who SAYS you’re concerned about not harassing women, you’re harassing women.

    Do I have it straight? Is that the gestalt/zeitgeist this week? Would someone mind sending me a copy of next week’s new harassment guidelines/gestalt/zeitgeist when they become available?

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  79. thedeti says:

    If you specifically state that you are following anti harassment policies when addressing a woman, that’s harassment.

    If you specifically tell HR that you want to know what the sexual harassment policies are so you don’t violate them, that’s harassment.

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  80. molly says:

    mgtowhorseman I printed your comment to get rid of the glums when I start to feel sorry for myself. My hubby asked me what are you reading that makes you smile all the time. I showed him the printout and he said that man is sound. He is a breath of fresh air. I agree! You are GO! GO all y’all! SPAWNY’S PLACE ZINGS!

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  81. mgtowhorseman says:

    Thanks molly. Which one?

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  82. Larry G says:

    Deti
    “Would someone mind sending me a copy of next week’s new harassment guidelines/gestalt/zeitgeist when they become available?”

    Sure..here ya go…

    If you are a man, breathe oxygen, you take up space, THAT IS FUCKING HARASSMENT TO A CUNT

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  83. molly says:

    It doesn’t matter really mgtowhorseman. It was on another post. I like lots of comments here. Man comments eh. I bet you are good company when you want to be you men! Unca S has BTMSGL as well! WOW!
    ❤ ❤ ❤ ❤

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  84. RichardP says:

    This came off the radio a few minutes ago, so take it for what it’s worth.

    Mollie Tibbets knew and went to high school with her killer’s baby mamma. The coroner says that Tibbets died from numerous sharp pokings (I translate to “stabbed to death”).

    If Mollie knew the baby mamma, then likely the baby daddy (the killer) knew Mollie. Him with sharp object. She knew baby mamma. Starting to sound like a possible revenge killing. For what, we can only guess. But it would be an educated guess, given what we know about women who talk to each other about the men in their lives.

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  85. honeycomb says:

    SFC TON .. yes .. at Boxers site ..(in the comments) ..

    https://v5k2c2.com/2018/08/18/this-one-is-for-the-hoez/

    And here .. the whole topic .. https://v5k2c2.com/2018/08/21/simps-on-parade/

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  86. molly says:

    “But it’s happening. Someone like the feminist above can make all the charts she wants, it only makes her look more foolish.”

    Yes Liz! I wish we could give her a jolly good toweling.
    POW!
    SOCK!
    KICK!
    BITE!
    SCRATCH!
    HEADLOCK!
    PINCH!
    MISTREAT!
    CHINESE BURN!
    WALLOP-HER-IN-THE-SOLAR-PLEXUS-SO-SHE-CAN’T-SPEAK!!!!

    hehehehee
    Only way to shut her up.

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  87. molly says:

    Put her on the wrestling mat with Ton!
    hahahahahaha!

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  88. molly says:

    Make her shake hands with Cill!
    Crack! (her bones breaking)

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  89. earl says:

    Speaking of Mollie Tibbets…this twitter post didn’t age well

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  90. Farm Boy says:

    ‘I lost my scholarship, my dream of continuing to play football and now I am in debt $30,000’

    Nikki Yovino is getting a year in prison, as expected, for falsely reporting that she was raped by two football players at Sacred Heart University.

    https://www.thecollegefix.com/post/48210/

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  91. Farm Boy says:

    While at first glance it doesn’t sound like the type of job people will be knocking down human resources doors to apply for, the SF Chronicle has revealed just how much each member of this apparently elite “poop patrol” team will cost the city: $184,678 in salary and benefits.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-08-22/san-francisco-poop-patrollers-make-185000

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  92. Farm Boy says:

    Jimmy Bennett, the actor who has claimed he was sexually assaulted by Asia Argento when he was 17, is explaining why he never spoke out about his alleged 2013 encounter with the Italian actress.

    “I did not initially speak out about my story because I chose to handle it in private with the person who wronged me,” Bennett said Wednesday afternoon in a statement to The Hollywood Reporter. “My trauma resurfaced as she came out as a victim herself. I have not made a public statement in the past days and hours because I was ashamed and afraid to be part of the public narrative.”

    https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/asia-argento-accuser-jimmy-bennett-statement-sexual-assault-claim-1136667

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  93. earl says:

    The nerve of this Jezebel.

    “I went from being a college student to sitting at home being expelled with no way to clear my name,” St. Hilaire told the judge, as Yovino smirked just a few feet away. [The reporter also observed her “rolling her eyes” as he delivered his victim-impact statement.]”

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  94. Farm Boy says:

    A white professor at Rutgers University in New Jersey violated the school’s policy when he complained about other white people in a post on Facebook, according to reports.

    The university says it prohibits discrimination and harassment, and judged that history professor James Livingston, who is white, crossed a line with his comments.

    In the post, Livingston slammed other white people, describing them as entitled and saying they impeded “access to my dinner.”

    ‘I hereby resign from my race. F— these people,’ white professor writes online, sparking furor

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/08/23/hereby-resign-from-my-race-f-these-people-white-professor-writes-online-sparking-furor.html

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  95. Farm Boy says:

    Capitalism is a kind of economic democracy, where consumers vote with every dollar they spend, determining which businesses succeed and fail. Look at the thousands of products in your local grocery store, shopping mall, or on Amazon, all vying for your attention. These products represent entrepreneurs striving to meet your needs as the way to achieve their own success. That may not be purely altruistic conduct, since capitalism depends on the desire of people to better their own lives, but it channels that natural desire into focusing on the opinions and preferences of a broad class of consumers.

    In a socialist economy, rather than meeting the needs of others, you improve your life by getting more for yourself from the limited supply of goods, services, or benefits the government either makes or allows others to make available. Whether you get those goods depends on how well you please the political elites. People who are willing and able to make themselves useful to the powerful get special privileges, and since socialist systems produce so little wealth, everyone who is neither useful nor well connected stands in the inevitable bread line or waits her turn for gasoline.

    http://thefederalist.com/2018/08/21/want-economic-power-people-choose-capitalism/

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  96. Farm Boy says:

    On Tuesday, Out Magazine cheered an upcoming “queergender” adaptation of Shakespeare’s “Romeo & Juliet” set “after society has exterminated cisgender men.”

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/34959/new-genderqueer-romeo-juliet-set-after-society-has-amanda-prestigiacomo

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  97. Farm Boy says:

    A CNN commentator and former Bernie Sanders spokeswoman had a unique take on Mollie Tibbetts’s murder, telling a Twitter audience Wednesday that the Iowa college student was killed not by an attacker, but by “toxic masculinity.

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/34948/cnn-commentator-mollie-tibbetts-was-killed-toxic-emily-zanotti

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  98. Farm Boy says:

    This week, HuffPo guest writer Cass Bliss detailed “what it’s like to get your period when you’re not a woman.”

    Bliss, a “nonbinary trans educator,” first went viral with her #BleedingWhileTrans campaign in 2017 to prove the biologically impossible claim that “men have periods, too.” The activist recently created a music video (see below) discussing the struggles of having your period while not identifying as a woman in a quest for “menstrual equity” for all. For example, the colors of tampon boxes are pink and there are no discrete garbage cans in men’s bathroom stalls to dispose of tampons and pads.

    “I am a nonbinary trans menstruator ― someone with a uterus that bleeds monthly, but who identifies outside of the fixed categories of male and female,” explains Bliss. “Because of that, I have to navigate the challenges of getting my period every month in a world that refuses to acknowledge that not everyone who gets their period is a woman, and not every woman gets their period.”

    https://www.weaselzippers.us/394906-huffpo-details-what-its-like-to-get-your-period-when-youre-not-a-woman/

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  99. earl says:

    ‘A CNN commentator and former Bernie Sanders spokeswoman had a unique take on Mollie Tibbetts’s murder, telling a Twitter audience Wednesday that the Iowa college student was killed not by an attacker, but by “toxic masculinity.’

    They need to stop talking. They obviously have no clue about sin otherwise they wouldn’t make such dumb assumptions that his masculinity was the culprit behind his murder.

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  100. Fnu Mnu Lnu says:

    She should have been sentenced to what her victims faced if convicted. I also hope they go after her civilly, and get a large judgement against her.

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  101. Liz says:

    “SF Chronicle has revealed just how much each member of this apparently elite “poop patrol” team will cost the city: $184,678 in salary and benefits.”

    Holy crap! (pun intended)
    No wonder the government of California is going broke.
    I’m a PAW (professional ass wiper), so I’m not just qualified but overqualified pick me! pick me!

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  102. Liz says:

    Q: How many San Fran poop patrollers does it take to screw on a lightbulb?
    A: Let’s see, one to scoop it up, one to find it, one to analyze, one to come up with a plan, one to test for quality, one to take the complaint calls, one to make the divining rods…how much money does California have again?

    Bonus question:
    How many feminists does it take to screw in a lightbulb?
    A: Impossible! The act of “screwing” in a lightbulb through inserting a hard object by the swollen end into a tight receptical is considered a sexually-suggestive act consistant with the establish definitions of sexual harassment and in violation of our zero tolerance policies.

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  103. Liz says:

    I’d like to answer BV’s post about the stupid fat CNN crack above, but don’t have time (have a meeting this morning at the new high school here). I’ll be back later….hopefully. Got a whole lot done yesterday. Mike was pleased.

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  104. BuenaVista says:

    In the American midwest, operations are too large to contemplate pesticide/herbicide/fungicide application via drone. We use purpose-built sprayers before planting, then tractor-driven implements or aircraft. Even a 1000hp Air Tractor is only in the air about 20 minutes between refilling, and they’re so heavy that on a hot day their departure climb might be only 200′ per minute.

    The use of the Japanese drone to measure plant vitality is something most farmers are interested in here; you can fly a smaller drone beyond visual range and get all sorts of readings. Crop yields do vary greatly across your average 160 acre field.

    My sense is that the killer app here will be self-driving tractors, controlled from the shop. As in Japan, the average age of a farmer seems to grow by a year for each year that passes. So farmers are reduced to hiring city boys like me to run, say, a cultivator. The problem with the robotic tractor movement is that the equipment now is just so big, and a sensor failure or software failure could really tear up a field or fence line. Then all the neighbors would laugh, and we can’t have that.

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  105. BuenaVista says:

    In regard to the CNN feminist Symone Sanders saying that “toxic masculinity” killed Mollie Tibbetts — not an illiterate criminal alien who has no business being in central Iowa pretending to be an American — an interview with six University of Iowa students produced two boys with interesting POVs. They both said that the takeaway is a failure of American masculinity. That men just needed to learn hos to treat women. Their comments could have been written Sanders.

    So what they’re saying is that being male (perhaps I should say masculine, as these soyboys are social castratos) is the same as being a criminal alien who kidnaps, rapes and murders with a knife adolescent females. They’re saying it flat out. They’re saying it on national TV, and their acolytes are saying it as a form of virtue signalling on the campus quad. I suppose we could say NAWALT AND NAMALT, and posit that the Feminine Imperative has topped out. Only not all women/men are are national TV, receiving kudos and being emulated by pussified white knights, are they.

    This is what I meant about the mainstreaming of radical feminist theory from the 1970’s and 1980’s. This is exactly what they introduced: all men are rapists, all sex is rape, if they are not forcefully controlled, they’ll implement this years blockbuster The Handmaid’s Tale.
    Also, what I meant about the gaslighting that is formal education. I’m sure these two boys will be praised by their profs and various females on campus, though it won’t get them laid. Murder is just a predictable outcome of having XY chromosomes and not spending enough time thinking about how hard it is to be female. Examples:

    1. “Eddie Garcia, a sophomore, said, “We have to teach men, when a woman says no, we have to respect them.”

    “We have to understand their body language and when they’re uncomfortable. We just have to teach men that it’s not OK, not everything is yours. It’s OK to be rejected. And I just feel like we’re not teaching men enough at all about that.”

    2. “Andrew DeGaetano, a senior, said Tibbetts’ alleged murder’s legal status was irrelevant.

    “Personally, I don’t believe that that has any relevance to the fact that she was attacked by this man,” DeGaetano said. “I think it’s more of an issue with how men in our country can treat women.”

    https://www.dailysignal.com/2018/08/23/what-these-6-university-of-iowa-students-say-about-mollie-tibbetts-death/

    ***

    Footnote: the killer is 25. He ‘graduated’ from the consolidated high school two years ago. His lawyer says he cannot speak English and needs an interpreter for all court proceedings.

    So this asshole was sitting in high school classrooms in rural Iowa when he was 23, while no doubt drawing every form of public assistance available. He had a baby out of wedlock with a Mexican he ‘graduated’ with, and she was 22 at graduation. Think they paid the hospital for the delivery?

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  106. earl says:

    ‘They both said that the takeaway is a failure of American masculinity. That men just needed to learn hos to treat women. Their comments could have been written Sanders.’

    If men need to learn they aren’t supposed to go stabby on a woman…then what does that say about our society in general?

    Again it has nothing to do with masculinity…it’s about sin…but your typical leftist is so in the dark about sin they wouldn’t know what you are talking about. So they have to come up with other things that are ‘evil’ (in a sense they are very gnostic) rather than addressing that actual reason.

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  107. honeycomb says:

    BV .. (he graduated from high school in America and needs a translator)

    So, did Mollie know international sign-language .. or did she need an interrupter to understand what a Foreign Invader looks like. (1)

    (1) I doubt any of these kids have any idea what evil is and is not .. because these Foreign Invaders have been planted in amongst them for years now.

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  108. honeycomb says:

    If she had just learned spainish .. or international sigh-language. Dang it people .. how insensitive of yenz’.

    IF SHE HAD ONLY KNOWN SPAINISH! (/s)

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  109. I should have explained a bit more, by dark ages I didn’t mean a return to pre-feminism. I meant I worry that if/when the left returns to power they might start looking back via social media and blogs or whatever to dox and then round up and “reform” all who didn’t “support the narrative” that could be like the witch hunts of the dark ages. I probably worry too much but it’s not like backlashes have never happened. :/

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  110. BuenaVista says:

    Honeycomb, he speaks pigeon English. I read a few of his texts. I think his lawyer, who called him “an all-american boy” this week, is correct that he needs a translator. But he’s from a peasant community with no plumbing in southern Mexico, so I’m guessing he’s running an IQ of about 85. How’d you like your 17 year-old daughter in the same classroom when he was 23, unable to construct sentences? We’re such a “caring society.”

    Mollie was an SJW, “We are the world” type, social science major at the university in Iowa City.

    A good friend of mine is very attractive, goes for long walks on the roads and deserted state parks. I asked her to finally get a pistol — she’s been flirting with the idea for a while, and gone shooting with me at the range — because she was obsessively following the Tibbetts case. She’s left-wing but an immigration hawk.

    But she said her husband and family would be horrified if she owned a nasty gun. The internal contradictions with these lefties is astonishing.

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  111. Liz says:

    Through the years, I’ve noticed that when my personal observations differ from the message I’m given, I go with my observations. Anecdotes aren’t evidence, but this method has paid off very well for me in general. There was the “all carb no fat” diet phase…all the “educated” people were touting this method. They and their adherents all got fatter over time, but heh, it’s the new thing and “science”! Eventually science determined otherwise. A quick method rather than wait for “science” to catch up was to just observe the results. Same for the numerous forms of exercise that are great for men but always seem to make women thicker. Same for all those dermatologists who gave me alcohol and a scouring pad to “prevent acne”which just made it worse….but back to the point….

    People are pattern recognizers. They typically don’t realize they’re sorting patterns, it all happens very fast (has to, those who couldn’t see a pattern fast in our primitive past were eaten). They might choose to ignore patterns because their mother/the media/the university tells them one thing, but intuitively the obvious is pretty hard to ignore. They might end up hating themselves (this seems to be a common theme with liberal folk…though they never seem to hate themselves quite enough), but that part of their brain overrides what they’ve read or been told.

    Two years ago CNN posted all sorts of interviews to show the “pulse of the public” on Trump. Yet somehow he won. Which is not simply an empty hope that NAW/MALT, but empirical evidence these folks don’t represent the pulse of the public.

    When something like the “mansplaining” flow chart goes viral, what does that mean exactly? Is that thousands of people sharing because she made such damned good point, or is it thousands of people “sharing” to show what a stupid bitch wrote this? Triggly puffy went viral too…that a bunch of folks wanting to share their admiration for her it? Perhaps a bunch of physics students assigned to count her wing oscillations and come up with a formula?

    At any rate, time to clean the hummingbird feeder. I think I must be doing something wrong the birds don’t seem to flock to it like I’d hoped. Hope you all have a great day.

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  112. @ Liz are you using the store mix? I find a homemade simple syrup one of just sugar and water (can’t remember the ratio but I am sure there are ones online) worked better. The red color in the store mix is also supposedly not good for them I have heard. Around here they seem to be in short supply lately, so maybe they are migrating? I find they are most active at the feeders in spring. I loved feeding them but my cat kept waiting below it and catching them so I stopped… safer for them.

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  113. I have been thinking I need to start packing too. I am not against doing so, I just feel I don’t know enough about it so I need to take some classes, get familiar.

    Two or three times in the past few months I have wished I had one. Luckily I didn’t need it but it’s long overdue, how long ago was it the heroin addict showed up at my door after dark that time? Long overdue.

    I wish they made a thing that makes a shotgun reload sound that I could hang in the wall next to each door. Of course not the same as the real deal but it would be kid safe and how many people are going to test it once they hear that sound? (If anyone here wants to run w that idea I’ll be your first customer! I’ll take three, please!)

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  114. honeycomb says:

    BV ..
    A good friend of mine is very attractive, goes for long walks on the roads and deserted state parks. I asked her to finally get a pistol — she’s been flirting with the idea for a while, and gone shooting with me at the range — because she was obsessively following the Tibbetts case. She’s left-wing but an immigration hawk.

    But she said her husband and family would be horrified if she owned a nasty gun. The internal contradictions with these lefties is astonishing.

    I’d be more worried she has a car, phone and social media accounts. Cuz she sounds dangerous if she ever gets into a car. Moreso than with a pea-shooter. I doubt she has the mind-set to use the later.

    PS I’m glad you are mentoring her though.

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  115. Liz says:

    “I find a homemade simple syrup one of just sugar and water (can’t remember the ratio but I am sure there are ones online) worked better. The red color in the store mix is also supposedly not good for them I have heard. Around here they seem to be in short supply lately, so maybe they are migrating?”

    WOW. I had no idea the red formula was bad for them.
    Now I feel awful! I should’ve investigated more. 😦
    Thanks a million, bazillion, Bloom! I’ll try the natural formula.
    🙂

    Mike went to a range in the next town over yesterday. It’s a really remote, picturesque little place. Kind of town every care that goes by you feel compelled to wave a greeting….because you see so few people out there. At any rate, the guy told him to always be armed. He said he went hunting one day and on the way back there were mountain lion tracks all along his tracks. Something had been hunting him. He also gave an anecdote that happened pretty recently. 17 year old (from elsewhere, probably the city) tried to carjack one guy who got away and went to the nearest ranch and told the rancher about the kid. The kid then intercepted the rancher and tried to steal his truck. Rancher wrestled with him and the kid pulled out a knife and slit his throat. On the way down, he pulled out his pistol and shot and killed the teen. Fortunately, because the first guy had called the cops they were on their way so the rancher lived and the asshole died, so it’s a happy ending.

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  116. Fnu Mnu Lnu says:

    I’d actually be more worried about her having a gun, and not be 100% willing to use it. Those are people who will hesitate, have the gun taken from them, and then used against them.

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  117. Liz says:

    “She’s left-wing but an immigration hawk.”

    That seems to happen quite a lot. In spite of the media’s horseshit about “cages”.
    Even Occasio (obviously not a hawk) slips up with her pattern recognition when she likens immigrants to victims of violence in the same sentence.
    Why do they come here? Well, because of oppression, injustice and so forth…but these oppressive and counterproductive societies are also great and we should respect all that cultural enrichment has to offer. Don’t distinguish between lawful and unlawful either, they’re all just one great bunch of super people and future pool of voters for “progressive” government programs.

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  118. Liz says:

    Side note: PAW (professional ass wiper)= floor nurse
    Really, the paws are CNAs but if you’re a floor nurse (RN) you’re also a paw (at least until the nurse-bots replace them)

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  119. mgtowhorseman says:

    Liz re pattern analysis. Spot on.

    Why after this living generation long term pair bonding in any form is over.

    How can an young man under say twenty not even subconciously feel the patterns he has seen, not on media, but via the other males around him. Relations, teachers, bosses, guys in the neighborhood.

    They cannot unsee what these guys went thru or the hoops they are put thru. Or the state of women around them.

    How can they even on a gut level believe in partnering, fatherhood, providing.
    They have never experienced it working. Ever.

    It is as foreign to them as snow to an L.A. native. They seen it on tv. Maybe even experienced it on vacation. But to know it, understand it like a Bostonian or Canadian. Nope.

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  120. mgtowhorseman says:

    Feeder must be clean clean clean. They will reject any other.

    Boil the water and let it cool. 4:1 water to sugar. (Three tablespoons in a quarter cup of water)
    Nothing else. The smell attracts not the colour. Forget the mixes.

    Hang the feeder at least a foot from the wall. Preferable with unobscured flight paths in and out. Once established they will fight over it. They feed 2-3 times per hour.

    Not sure where you are. Here on the shores of Lake Ontario they are gearing up. They migrate early, by third week of September usually.

    I can see one of our four feeders from where I sit. And hear the zzzoooom every few minutes.

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  121. BuenaVista says:

    Many of my friends are liberal and take the attitude that they want to live in a world where guns aren’t needed. It’s really an article of faith to them: it’s not logically defensible. But it’s an opinion held by 1/3 to 1/2 of the country.

    Minneapolis is now a place where a woman can’t walk alone in certain quarters. Until ten years ago it was blissfully interesting, pleasant, safe. Then they started mainlining Somalis. The second largest Somali city in the world is North Minneapolis. An investment banker friend of mine, in the city center, in the skywalks headed to her hotel, was chased by a gang of them in early evening.

    I’ve had that conversation with her, FML, about not carrying unless you’re prepared to use it. Fortunately where we live there is now a stand-your-ground law, as well. So someone in Mollie’s position probably could have just plugged the guy before he touched her. I doubt the cops would let a man make that case, but a young girl being followed and stalked on a country road probably could.

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  122. mgtowhorseman says:

    One feeder is two feet from the back door. Three semi feral barn cats lounging on the stoop below it. Hummers swooping in all the time. I’d be scared of the cat that can score a hummer. And they all know it.

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  123. Cheque d'Out says:

    “I’d like to answer BV’s post about the stupid fat CNN crack above”

    You see? This is why the squee splurge that heralded the very welcome return of the frog helmeted kitten didn’t worry me at all. #HardCore

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  124. honeycomb says:

    BV ..

    That is sad to hear (about MSP). I lived there for pre-9-11 and post 9-11 for about 5 years.

    I was there when they went from a “may issue” to a “shall issue” .. and then the DFL lost their minds and demanded “gun free zones”.

    I protested that everyone in favor should put a sign in their front yard that read .. “This House is a Gun-Free-Zone”.

    To which they protested or took the sign down .. whoops .. my little secret.

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  125. BuenaVista says:

    Minneapolis is about 10-15 years behind Chicago in its devolution. Both were magical places in my childhood. But the multicultural imperative affects even the small town where my dad’s from: it’s now 30% illegal, and kindergarten is 90% ESL.

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  126. Larry G says:

    BV,
    “Many of my friends are liberal and take the attitude that they want to live in a world where guns aren’t needed. It’s really an article of faith to them: it’s not logically defensible. But it’s an opinion held by 1/3 to 1/2 of the country.”

    My semi anti-gun wife surprised the shit of me two days ago. I was cleaning my revolver which I keep on the night stand next to our bed within easy reach. Well, said gun was obviously not in view ’cause it was soaking in breakfree. She pointedly asked me why the revolver was NOT where she could see it? After being assured that it would be back in place that afternoon, she went back to mellow.

    Told her that we were going to the range together so she will learn to use this weapon for herself. I got no argument from her.

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  127. Liz says:

    Heh, thanks for the vote of confidence Swithy! 😆

    “But the multicultural imperative affects even the small town where my dad’s from: it’s now 30% illegal, and kindergarten is 90% ESL.”

    That is gobsmacking-level awful. 😦
    Holy fuck.

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  128. Liz says:

    At the last base (well really the one before that…it provided the groundwork for other bases across the country) Mike allowed concealed carry (there were certain caveats but I won’t go into them here). At first it required the approval of the bosses, but after hearing from some people who said their commanders weren’t comfortable with the policy and refused to authorize it, he created an opt-out only policy (those who wanted to do so could, unless their boss could cite a legitimate reason why they should not be allowed to). He also established a clause where folks could keep their firearms in their vehicles if they intended to go to the skeet range on base after work or whatever. This was very popular.

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  129. Larry G says:

    I think the Molly Tibbs murder jarred her into thinking the “what ifs”. Just my own opinion but if I knew that my wife can use a handgun to defend herself in case I am not around, and will do so if necessary, then it is sure as shit worth my time to teach her.

    Being real, there are predators out there able to stalk and kill human prey without remorse. It’s only right that the “prey” can put a few hollow points into the predator’s guts in self defense.

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  130. Larry G says:

    Tibbetts, not Tibbs

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  131. BuenaVista says:

    Liz, it was 97% northern European when I was a boy. The school system now has 35 languages represented.

    The 90% kindergarten figure is low; it was 14 of 208 last year who were native English speakers. This year they just announced that 200+ ‘unexpected’ children registered for kindergarten. So that’s 6-7 unplanned sections of kindergarten. Kindergarten is half-day, so its survivable, I guess, provided they find teachers (I think it’s too late). But all 200 plus the planned 200 go to full-day first grade next year. There aren’t the classrooms or teachers. The school is only five years old. This is what happens when a town sells its soul to meat packers. Big business loves illegals, and anyone else who will work for 40% of the historical wage.

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  132. thedeti says:

    Re: Mollie Tibbetts, my speculation:

    Tibbetts knew Cristhian Rivera’s babymamma. It’s possible she was screwing Rivera and the babymamma was jealous. So either the babymamma offed Tibbetts herself; or Rivera did it on babymamma’s orders.

    Why is a peasant Mexican illegal living in central Iowa? They stand out like sore thumbs in areas that are overwhelmingly white/European in extraction.

    This demonstrates that even our little towns in rural America are being invaded by illegals who don’t belong there.

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  133. honeycomb says:

    @ thedeti..

    It’s a foreign invasion .. with ZERO resistance .. they have become brazzin / emboldened.

    When the festivities begin .. it’ll be harder to not empathize with a neighbor .. that’s why they are planting them as far and wide as possible.

    Plus it drains more local economies of their treasure.

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  134. Liz says:

    There needs to be a 1925-1965 style stop in immigration to allow everyone currently in America to properly assimilate. Exceptions would be made for those with skills that can contribute to America.

    To quote theDiplomad: ”How will these people contribute to the economic growth of our country? This is not nineteenth century America with small factories and workshops on every street corner, and belching smokestack industries eager for cheap workers. This is the America of EPA regulations, OSHA bureaucrats, job killing minimum wage and health insurance laws, outsourcing, and of a growing ethos that sees single parents living on the public dole as an honorable existence. It is also the America of multiculturalism whereby immigrants are encouraged never to become Americans.”

    Fwiw, legal immigrants are among the most vocal and adamant anti-open borders people I know. It’s pretty much legals versus illegals, but CNN et al seem to have convinced the nation that all immigrants are open borders.
    Ah well, done posting for the day. Still reading though!

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  135. Farm Boy says:

    The social message we most often hear, in fact, is that men have for too long been at the center of things and should be thinking not about themselves, but about helping women and children. Most men are aware that their value to society is based mainly on their willingness to sacrifice for the good of others.

    Here is the heart of our current problem. Men were once rewarded with public respect for their willingness to sacrifice their bodies in labor and (potentially) their lives in war to maintain and protect their families. Now such respect has dried up: we rarely hear praise for men as men – even when they are involved in a dramatic rescue operation, as recently occurred in Thailand. Men are still expected to protect and defer to women, and our society has a deep, perhaps unconscious, aversion to needy or vulnerable men. As a result, male troubles are not only little recognized in Western societies, but often actively denied and ridiculed.

    https://www.americanthinker.com

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  136. Farm Boy says:

    A Columbia mother has been charged with accepting money and cocaine from men in exchange for letting them sexually assault her 14-year-old daughter who is disabled.

    http://www.foxcarolina.com/story/38950020/mother-charged-with-sex-trafficking-daughter-who-is-disabled

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  137. Farm Boy says:

    A professor at Northeastern University recently published an academic study warning that military veterans “reinforce hegemonic masculinity,” and ultimately contribute to “men’s dominance over women.”

    https://pjmedia.com/trending/northeastern-prof-warns-male-military-veterans-reinforce-hegemonic-masculinity-sexism/

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  138. Farm Boy says:

    But while many assume that sexualised portrayals of women are a product of gender inequality or oppression, the truth could have more to do with female competition and advancement.

    A new study has found that female sexualisation is not, in fact, linked to a culture of female oppression – where women are treated, and treat themselves, as sexual objects.

    Instead, it appears that women could actually be unconsciously using their sexuality as a strategy against income inequality.

    https://www.sciencealert.com/sexy-selfies-on-social-media-are-more-common-when-there-s-income-inequality

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  139. Farm Boy says:

    But how well colleges serve women is surfacing as another major concern. Even though they dominate in college enrollment and have higher six-year graduation rates, they are not reaping the same financial rewards from finishing college, or from earning more-advanced degrees, that men do. In May, the American Association of University Women called national attention to the issue when it reported that women hold almost two-thirds of the nation’s student-loan debt, nearly $900 billion of the $1.4 trillion total, with black women holding the highest average debt of any racial, ethnic, and gender group among graduates who completed bachelor’s degrees.

    One factor contributing to the disproportionate debt load is that women are more likely to attend colleges with higher costs than are men. Almost twice as many women as men attended for-profit colleges in 2016, for instance. Gault points to the aggressive online recruiting of women by for-profit colleges, with their emphasis on the more-convenient structure for people with children, a need more common to female students than male

    https://www.chronicle.com/article/Student-Debt-Is-Worse-for/244145/#.W38AuJqyu9Y.twitter

    [Perhaps more likely to choose stupid degrees women are]

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  140. SFC Ton says:

    Many of my friends are liberal
    …..
    I don’t befriend dumbasses

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  141. SFC Ton says:

    The smart kid I have running my operations says the future of farming is hordes of smaller robots working the fields. Sort of like space age serfs

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  142. SFC Ton says:

    You know it’s funny reading some of these posts. Fuzzie hates me/ it but reality is my forefathers in the Klan called all this shit correctly generations ago. Now you stupid fucking yankees are taking notice but it’s way to late to do a damn thing large scale

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  143. SFC Ton says:

    A professor at Northeastern University recently published an academic study warning that military veterans “reinforce hegemonic masculinity,” and ultimately contribute to “men’s dominance over women.”
    ……….

    Finally a reason to feel good about being a vet

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  144. Farm Boy says:

    Since Mollie Tibbets was a big time SJW, I wonder if she was SJWing on behalf of the illegal, and then things went south. Maybe like that couple who didn’t believe in evil who were stabbed to death riding bicycles in a ‘stan

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  145. Liz says:

    “Maybe like that couple who didn’t believe in evil who were stabbed to death riding bicycles in a ‘stan

    Or that bear man who got mauled.

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  146. Liz says:

    I’m kind of surprised they even mentioned the fact that he is an illegal.
    When a white guy gets beaten to death by black guys they usually hold off on publishing the races of the people involved. If a guy with a middle eastern name starts chanting allah akbar! and sprays a crowd with bullets, they usually try to cover up the motive as long as they can.
    How often do you hear about illegal immigrant crimes (though, having lived about an hour from the border I’m well aware they happen with regularity)?

    Only thing I can guess is, the media covered her disappearance so much they had to reveal the culprit. They were probably convinced she was done in by a white frat boy or close relative.

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  147. Farm Boy says:

    Clemson University has dropped its requirement that Resident Assistants “demonstrate a commitment to social justice” in order to qualify for the position.

    This year’s position description does asks RAs to interact with residents “across areas of social identity” and work to build “inclusive residential communities,” but no longer forces RAs to endorse a particular ideology.

    https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=11248

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  148. Farm Boy says:

    A married couple had been trying for a baby for four years, with no success and were puzzled as to where they were going wrong.

    After consulting doctors, the concerned couple, from Bijie city, China, found out why they’d been having difficulties conceiving: they’d mistakenly been having anal sex for the entirety of their relationship.

    https://www.unilad.co.uk/relationships/couple-trying-to-conceive-for-4-years-were-mistakenly-having-anal-sex/

    [Shitty approach this would be]

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  149. earl says:

    ‘ my forefathers in the Klan called all this shit correctly generations ago.’

    Then they shouldn’t have imported so many cheap foreign workers then.

    Blame the yanks all you want…but the yanks didn’t have a big part of their working population coming in from Africa.

    Now everybody in this country does it.

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  150. Liz says:

    Q: What do you call a couple that “mistakenly been having anal sex for the entirety of their relationship”?
    A: Shit in bed
    (bah dum bum)

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  151. earl says:

    ‘Minneapolis is about 10-15 years behind Chicago in its devolution. ‘

    North Minneapolis IS Chicago.

    MSP certainly has parts that are ‘little Somalia’.

    And a rumor I heard when I was there…if you think San Fran is ghey, Minneapolis actually has a higher ghey population. It’s a ‘vibrant’ place.

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  152. SFC Ton says:

    It takes college and public education to be as you are earl.

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  153. BuenaVista says:

    Liz, the statewide newspaper did not so identify him. The state Dept of Criminal Investigation did at the first news conference, emphatically, so the paper had to print it. The paper still tried to label him an “undocumented immigrant” and later ran erroneous stories that his immigration status was “cloudy” and that the farm that employed him certified his legal standing.

    The DCI started out by saying, “We don’t get involved in immigration and so we just called the Feds, and they say he has no papers, standing, a DACA app, or anything; they say he’s an illegal.” The DCI spokesman used the non-PC term “illegal alien”, incidentally.

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  154. BuenaVista says:

    “Q: What do you call a couple that “mistakenly been having anal sex for the entirety of their relationship”?”

    High school Mormons? (“Technical virgins.” It’s a thing out there.)

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  155. BuenaVista says:

    Setting aside the cultural taboos that still exist out here, I think the odds that Mollie was a paramour of the perp are < 1%. (Several people have so opined that she was a little scamp getting some third world love.)

    Among other things there is tape of him following her (that's how they caught him; they ran down every black Malibu in the area), and he admitted to following her, getting out of his car and running with her, her threatening to call the police; he was talking like a true moron on first arrest and laid it all out. If he had been banging her that would have been part of his defense, no?

    She was still going with her high school sweetheart, as well. He works construction and was on a job 100 miles away (Dubuque). There is a potentially tragic element here. He has said from the beginning that he thinks he got a text from her at about 10 p.m. when he was dozing on the couch. (i.e., he was passed out on the couch after a 12 pack of Iowa's favorite beer, Busch Light). But he mistakenly deleted it. If that actually happened, she texted him from the trunk of the car.

    I know this area intimately because it's 50 miles from where I grew up, I almost bought a house in Grinnell (8 miles from Brooklyn, and the county seat and home of a great college), and I've been over the blacktops dozens of times, because it's hilly and curvy, and I rode Italian.

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  156. BuenaVista says:

    Earl, have you ever lived or worked in Minneapolis? How about Chicago? Go to Northweastern? U. of Chicago? Or did you learn all this on the internet, too?

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  157. “Q: What do you call a couple that “mistakenly been having anal sex for the entirety of their relationship”?”

    Well, I was gonna say “Democrats” or maybe “Hillary voters”, but the fact they are Chinese seems to make that a non sequitur.

    After consulting doctors, the concerned couple, from Bijie city, China, found out why they’d been having difficulties conceiving: they’d mistakenly been having anal sex for the entirety of their relationship.

    The husband, a Mr. Ho Le Fuk, of Strapon province, blamed his wife’s lack of personal hygiene for the error.

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  158. BuenaVista says:

    Ton, on your swarm theory of farm automation: Maybe someplace with small farms. Not out here. The complexity premium is too great. The little machines could never carry enough seed, liquids. If you run even 1500 acres you’d need hundreds of little drones, operating simultaneously. You’d still need big iron to plant, harvest and cultivate.

    By way of metaphor, a 747 could fly with 50 or 100 little airplane engines; it would be producing smoking craters roughly equal to number of flights. Drones will be used on big farms for telemetry, inspection, problem diagnostics.

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  159. Liz says:

    “and I rode Italian.”

    Heh, that’s an interesting colloquialism I’m not familiar with.
    What does it mean?
    To ride in the bed of the truck? To ride “bitch”? to ride a moped/bicycle?
    To ride along spray painting graffiti? 😆

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  160. Re: the Tibbetts case. It’s just sad, very sad. It just breaks my heart to hear that people are actually drinking Busch Light.

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  161. BuenaVista says:

    A story a friend told me recently: He was going with a girl who is of the straight-laced variety and woke her up in the dark at 4 a.m. for a reprise. Clutching ensued, but she said, unexpectedly, “You’re rubbing my anus.” “Isn’t it grand?” he reportedly replied. “Well,” he added, “It’s dark in here.”

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  162. earl says:

    ‘It takes college and public education to be as you are earl.’

    No Ton, it takes my weekly Yank meetings where we blame the South for all our ills. Gotta blame somebody else for our faults.

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  163. BuenaVista says:

    Italian motorcycles. I’ve had five Guzzis in a row, of the sort you ride peg-scraping fast in the twisties.

    This was #5.

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  164. earl says:

    ‘Earl, have you ever lived or worked in Minneapolis? How about Chicago? Go to Northweastern? U. of Chicago?’

    Yes.

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  165. BuenaVista says:

    Busch Light: I’ve been back for a few years and I still can’t believe it’s he most popular beer in the state.

    There’s a bizarre bastardization of red wine here too: “Sweet Red”. It is, as it is named. And people keep it in the fridge.

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  166. Liz says:

    Looking forward to acclimating to this altitude. My mind is really slow here…
    (just making the bed and talking on the phone and the person was wondering, “are you jogging”? Okay, not quite, but I could really feel it….and I feels it in my heed too)

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  167. BuenaVista says:

    “They were probably convinced she was done in by a white frat boy or close relative.”

    Actually, one theory that circulated, which I found plausible, was that one of her brothers did it. The brothers went to their dad’s 2nd wedding; she did not. There were indications they were estranged because she was on mom’s team.

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  168. BuenaVista says:

    On altitude, I acclimatize very slowly and as a mature man, that’s a real bitch at 13,000′ with a backpack.

    Take some Viagra, no shit, it works. As a health professional I’m sure you know why.

    There is a cheap sildenafil alternative now, Revatio. It’s the same stuff, only in 20 mg tabs that cost a couple bucks. It’s for people, also, who have a heart issue and need better blood flow. I personally have tested Revatio.

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  169. SFC Ton says:

    You are still ignorant earl
    Yankees were heavily engaged in the slave trade
    Rhode island had a slave/ plantation economy at one point
    Yankees industries benefited from tariffs paid by and raw material from plantations in the South
    Delaware was a slave state
    New York had slaves doing tradesmen jobs

    And the list goes on

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  170. SFC Ton says:

    LOL I know I a, poor White trash but I love cold, sweet red wines. Which sells a lot more then the fancy shit

    Always been werid to me. Like is Spain, wine is wine, no airs of pretentious and table wine is common.

    Here in the usa wine is a status symbol, that you are better then the prole Whites

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  171. Cheque d'Out says:

    I got into red wine when in France. Seemed rude not to. Wouldn’t claim to be an absolute oenophile* though, nothing pricey

    *today’s word.

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  172. Cheque d'Out says:

    Busch Light? Why? Why would this even exist?

    Currently drinking Hobgoblin

    Really rich flavour. Loverly

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  173. earl says:

    ‘And the list goes on’

    Good for them…but why just blame the Yanks when your Klan forefathers had the same economy going on and seemed to have more of it going on. Perhaps importing cheap foreign labor is just something humans routinely do.

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  174. Cheque d'Out says:

    Didn’t risk putting red wine in the fridge though, probably a hanging offence in France

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  175. Larry G says:

    RPG, waaay up above you made this comment..

    “I wish they made a thing that makes a shotgun reload sound that I could hang in the wall next to each door. Of course not the same as the real deal but it would be kid safe and how many people are going to test it once they hear that sound? (If anyone here wants to run w that idea I’ll be your first customer! I’ll take three, please!)

    Um, you had better consider that bad guys have already thought about Lil Miss Homemaker just might have a shotgun, they will CERTAINLY be armed too, ok? Bad guys are called bad guys for a damn good reason, they will not mind at all hurting you or your family,steal your shit or just murder you for giggles.

    K? Now why would you want to advertise the fact that you just might be armed also with the sound of a shell being racked into the chamber? First, it may give away your location. Second, it gives them time to react and prepare for a firefight, Third, it let’s them know what kind of weapon you have (manual pump shotgun). See? You are fucked.

    Just to let you know, I too have a 12 gauge shotgun under my bed, big difference is it already has one in the chamber with the safety on. I use #1 buckshot (15 pellet) x 8 rounds. IF an asshole is in my house, the ONLY possible sound he/it will hear is the muzzle blast as I shoot his stupid ass. Also JIC said shotgun should jam (and they do), I keep a .357 revolver on my nightstand and within real easy reach. That too is 8 shots.

    Think long and hard about “packing” as you put it. If shit hits the fan and you are not REAL familiar with a weapon and have spent time practicing with it, Mr. Asshole just might be able to take it away from you and kill you. I have seen that sit happen before.

    Free advice over. Any more is going to cost you.

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  176. Larry G says:

    The 2 scariest sounds in the world…
    A click when you expect bang
    A bang when you expect click

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  177. Cill says:

    Riding Italian means the Isle of Man and losing my nineteenth life.

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  178. That’s got a short seat; where does the bitch sit?

    At home, with the other bitches…

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  179. Looks like “purple drank” from here.

    Had a room-mate who worked for a wine distributor back in the last century, oh 25-30 years ago mebbe. Gave me my first glass of good red wine, and I was like, oh, that’s why people make a fuss, that’s right tasty. Also introduced me to my first decent cigar, same reaction, but I just never was much for smoking.

    In vino veritas, y’all.

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  180. Fnu Mnu Lnu says:

    Yeah, like he didn’t know exactly what he was doing…

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  181. Liz says:

    Cill!
    Back from the walkabout?

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  182. Cill says:

    No Liz. My phone came into range so I checked in. You’re looking good btw. Which is more than I can say for myself.

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  183. Liz says:

    Glad you checked in with us Cill!
    I’m smelling like springtime, too! 😆

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  184. BuenaVista says:

    KH, the plastic over the back of the seat is removable. She has to squeeze her legs and hug your waist, though.

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  185. Cill says:

    that hobgoblin is patriarch plonk. I couls do with one of those right now

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  186. Cheque d'Out says:

    Hi Cill. Old Hooky tomorrow, I think. Maybe Double Stout. Tricky decision, I shall sleep on it.

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  187. Cill says:

    hi mate.
    sleep well

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  188. Cill says:

    righto dog and I are on the move.
    Goodbye for now mates.
    Out of range in a minute. Life is good.

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  189. mgtowhorseman says:

    Larry. Second your advice.

    It is entirely different to line up on a human even if they are shooting at you.
    Personally have felt the feeling in Yugo.

    Pulling a weapon instantly escalates.

    If there is any doubt if you can pull it is money better spent on a hidden or armoured panic room.

    Both this and my last house had them by accident. Trap door in one leading to a cold cellar that i have a rug over and in the other an old coal chute dumbwaiter to the outdoor access basement that I put a bookcase in front of. In a quick snatch and grab invasion neither would be obvious to draw attention of the bad guys. And if things get nasty they are lethal chokepoints if you are already down there.

    Also a weapon emboldens you to check things out, go look downstairs.

    No, you hear a window smash you throw the fire ladder out the bedroom window and di di mau out into the woods. I told the family an intruder is the same as a fire. Evacuate now!

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  190. mgtowhorseman says:

    Like I say
    Crooks gonna come 15 minutes from town, turn onto our dirt road with only four farmhouses on it, up our two hundred foot driveway, past both dogs, to steal our worthless shit??

    “Hey guys? Ya need a hand carrying that out?
    No, no lift with your KNEES!”
    Honey, get the door for the poor boy, cant ya see he’s workin here?”

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  191. I’ve got maybe half a dozen things I might miss if my place got robbed. Mostly an inconvenience as long as all your paperwork stuff is safe somewhere. Really, if they could just gimme an hour’s notice, they can have it all, but they MUST take it ALL.

    That sure would make doing some painting and drywall stuff a whole lot easier. And if they can somehow get that damned walnut tree while they’re at it, I’d sure be obliged.

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  192. mgtowhorseman says:

    Black walnut? I hate those fuckers!

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  193. Yep, black walnut. Proof of the Devil’s existence, in tree form.

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  194. Farm Boy says:

    CNN & NBC had been covering the Mollie Tibbetts story wall-to-wall, but then they suddenly stopped when her killer was identified by authorities as an illegal immigrant. Now there’s a total blackout on those networks. It was a good story until it became bad politics for liberals

    https://mobile.twitter.com/paulsperry_/status/1033050030842830848

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  195. Liz says:

    We came to our last assignment with so many firearms (we were required to register them when we brought them on base) security forces joked that if shit went down on base, they’d go our house because it had more weapons than the armory.
    We have almost double that now.

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  196. Farm Boy says:

    The attorney for the accused murderer of Mollie Tibbetts filed a gag order on Wednesday to prevent his client from being referred to as an illegal alien.

    http://dailycaller.com/2018/08/24/mollie-tibbetts-accused-murderer-seeking-gag-order-to-prevent-from-being-referred-to-as-an-illegal-alien/

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  197. Larry G says:

    LIz,
    “…security forces joked that if shit went down on base, they’d go our house because it had more weapons than the armory.
    We have almost double that now.”

    and this is a bad thing how?

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  198. Liz says:

    Not saying it’s bad, Larry. Just sayin’
    There’s a lot.
    Even Mike doesn’t know how many guns we have (when his father passed, we inherited about 30 maybe?) Three large standing safes full, plus three smaller ones.
    Anyway…Mike and the boys are very good marksmen.
    I don’t spend much time at the range, it’s not my “thing”.

    The only time I’ve had a gun near my bedside in the last ten years or so was last assignment when a mentally unstable guy was mad at his bosses (and Mike was one of them).
    He showed us all a picture of the guy, and I slept with the gun nearby when he was away. And the dogs slept in the hall instead of the boys rooms. That lasted a couple of weeks.

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  199. Liz says:

    LOL I just asked Mike if he knows how many guns he has.
    He said, “Uh, huh”
    So I asked, “How many?”
    His answer: “The right amount. Almost.”
    😆

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  200. Larry G says:

    I see you are married to a genius, Liz

    “His answer: “The right amount. Almost.”

    My wife asked why I have “so many guns in the house?” (a grand total of FOUR handguns, one shotgun and one rifle mind you). Followed by “how many do you need anyway?”

    A two part question deserves at least a two part answer I think.

    Part 1. “so many guns in the house?” Because, woman, I don’t have an office or one of them would be there. And I do not ask you to move any of them when you are dusting the house so what the fuck difference does it make?

    Part 2. “how many do you need anyway?” Actually I was thinking 30 would be a nice round number, strategically located throughout the house (refer back to Part 1).

    That was her one freebie complaint for August.

    Later my Mrs. certainly noticed a missing revolver off the nightstand and made mention of it. So an added answer to Part 2 would be Need? “just one that I can get to at 2 am when I hear breaking glass.”

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  201. Liz says:

    I think it’s the right tool for the right job type of thing….
    Might also be because he never went to Polynesia and got that harem.
    He might not know how many he has, but he does love them all. LOL 🙂

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  202. Larry G says:

    here, here now…a Polynesian harem??? You do realize that had I succeeded in getting my harem, we would not behaving this conversation, right? I would be a tad bit too busy trying to remember all my kid’s names.

    South Pacific eye candy….dang! Screwed up again

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