Missing The Point Deliberately


This article has created much wailing and gnashing of teeth.  It suggests that men prefer debt-free virgins with no tattoos when it comes to marriage.  This should be obvious to people who rationally consider such things, but it apparently is not.

The response from various Churchian oriented sites was basically along the lines of “God loves me, I am great as I am, men seeking marriage should feel the same way”.  A response starts with the fact that men need to make good decisions.  As potential Patriarchs, it is best that they learn how to make effective ones.  In terms of making decisions about his family, his first big one is with respect to who he marries.  To do this poorly would be unfortunate for his future family.  We all want what is best for the (future) children, don’t we?  Don’t we?

Let us look at this situation more deeply.   Normally debt in young women’s cases comes from their university education.  If they chose a “studies” (or other useless degree) then they probably have lots of debt as they work in jobs (e.g. non-profits) that don’t pay so well.  If she had chosen a degree in a field that actually paid, the debt might be tolerable.  Being debt free (or tolerable debt) signifies that she can make wise decisions; this being very useful in a wife.  Even if she never makes a decision again, she hopefully won’t be arguing.  Which is worth a huge amount to a fella.

As an aside about universities; they are doing their task rather poorly, and are costly in doing so.  In the olden days, companies were very wiling to hire General Studies degreed individuals.  Why was this?  It was because they could be assured that such a graduate could think critically; an essential attribute in the handling of complex problems in the business world.  Fast forward to today.  There have been studies that show that modern university students after four years of education do not improve their critical thinking skills.  So a university degree no longer necessarily signals what it is once was intended to signal; still everybody needs one (especially women).  Unfortunately we end up with all of these highly educated people who really are not particularly capable of handling the complex issues that they are supposed to, though they believe that they are.  Probably this combination results in more damage than good.

As for the virgin thing; the short answer is that men want women that are at less risk of cuckolding him.  There are lots of other detriments to being slutty/carousel riding as documented on this blog in the past.  Furthermore, a series of posts are coming in the near future documenting these issues further.

As for tattoos, this was discussed here.  In short, they are a signal that she is not feminine.  Men prefer feminine women for many reasons; they are easier to get along with, they have a tendency to make a better mother of his children, and so on.  Since tattoos a very visible artifact, they become a ready device for making assessments about a woman.

There are definite good reasons for the men look for the above mentioned attributes.  He has much to protect, now and in the future.  Protestations fall upon the deaf ears of wise fellas.

Addendum:  I see that Dalrock is on the case.

Posted in beta bux, Dating????, FarmBoy, Feminism, Trainwreck
174 comments on “Missing The Point Deliberately
  1. Farm Boy says:

    I’d hope that this woman has not gone to college. It would provide some excuse for her irrational thinking, which mostly is about throwing out straw men while totally avoiding the points that are relevant.

    Men think. Men look for indicators. The indicators might not always indicate what they seem to indicate, but who has time to dig deep enough to know for sure? It is just easier for men to look for women with better indicators.

    As for young lady above, I could hardly image a man who would want to have anything to do with her, let alone marry her.

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  2. Farm Boy says:

    Do these women understand why men think as they do? Probably.

    But what can they do? Debate logically? Probably not.

    Best to be emotional and ignore the rational argument presented to them.

    Are they conscious of doing this? Many are

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  3. earl says:

    ‘There have been studies that show that modern university students after four years of education do not improve their critical thinking skills.’

    If anything university basically forces confortining thinking skills of the leftist variety.

    That’s why I enjoy debate…we may disagree on some things but getting a different perspective encourages more critical thinking than forcing everyone to submit to the socialist rainbow flag.

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  4. Farm Boy says:

    These days lots of people “virtue signal”. Perhaps they do not realize that they are signaling in other ways. Or maybe they do, but do not care

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  5. earl says:

    I wouldn’t expect insanity bytes to have a rational thought…but this was nowhere near the point of the meme.

    ‘And if you actually have tattoos and debt? Well, then clearly you’re out of the club. God doesn’t love you anymore because you’ve blown it. Also, all men think you’re ugly.’

    Women love this out of context arguements…take what men prefer for marriage into ‘God doesn’t love you anymore’. The meme wasn’t ‘God prefers debt free virgins with no tattoos’….or “God only loves debt free virgins with no tattoos’.

    [Not about God, but about men this is.]

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  6. Farm Boy says:

    Previously Earl stated,

    the big thing I’m noticing is how much women melt down when their feelings don’t match up with what men want or what a man’s reality is. I get the solipsism but I think this is why feministic-gynocentric societies don’t last long. Eventually enough men get fed up and realize this isn’t what they want so they either leave or the women change back to what men want. No decent man wants to marry a woman whose been passed around like a common harlot. Heck reading Scripture (Jeremiah)…God compares Israel to a harlot when they went after every other god…and God wasn’t too pleased. No decent man wants to marry a woman who turned her God given body into a graffiti exhibit. No decent man wants to bring a debt anchor into marriage because that greatly hampers his chances of building a family.

    The simple fact this is making women (especially Christian feminists) mentally break down shows they know what the truth is but they don’t want to give up their reality (feelings).

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  7. earl says:

    ‘As for young lady above, I could hardly image a man who would want to have anything to do with her, let alone marry her.’

    I don’t know this for a fact…but someone over at Dalrock’s posted she is married.

    [So sad for the fella I am]

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  8. earl says:

    I finally dug into the video…she’s emoting for the same reasons

    Sleeping with chads, having debt, tattoos = God doesn’t love you.

    Which was not the point of the meme or article. It was what men prefer for marriage.

    I noticed she got worked up (probably because of this) but didn’t actually address what was in the article itself and made an out of context arguement. You can’t debate women when they do this and it proves Lori won the debate.

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  9. earl says:

    She did the work I didn’t have to.

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  10. earl says:

    She also stated her husband wasn’t debt free, a virgin, and had tattoos.

    Well the meme didn’t state ‘Women prefer men who are debt-free, virgins, and had no tattoos’.

    But then again in this egalitarian nonsense she thinks men and women should be exactly the same.

    From what I can tell women prefer men for marriage who are over 6 feet, make more than 100K, and produce the tingles.

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  11. earl says:

    *Her husband wasn’t a virgin

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  12. earl says:

    Let’s see how many women cry about that.

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  13. Farm Boy says:

    I wonder if her husband was in debt because he obtained a “studies degree”?

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  14. SFC Ton says:

    But what can they do? Debate logically? Probably not.
    ……..

    No rational man expects logic from women. They are little kids throwing a fit they cant have everything they want

    And like I just said, the man o sphere is starting sound just like them

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  15. Farm Boy says:

    Women claim to be logical and all. Why not take them up on that claim?

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  16. mgtowhorseman says:

    ‘Women claim to be logical and all. Why not take them up on that claim?”

    Ahaahaahaahahahahahahahahahahahah oh god ahahahha can’t breathe ahhhaahahahaha
    I think I wet myself ahahahaahaahaahahahaahhaaa

    Hehe. Hohoo oh oh he he hahaha ha

    Ahem ah hah ah

    Sorry

    Snicker.

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  17. Farm Boy says:

    Taking them up on that point demonstrates for the uninitiated what the true situation is.

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  18. SFC Ton says:

    Might as well watch paint dry but its your time to waste

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  19. mgtowhorseman says:

    Ok this will be long and maybe shoulda been a post.

    Someone posted this.

    Poster child for where modern dating has killed future marriage. Let me explain.

    No she is unattractive but not ugly. No tats, not overweight, mom bob but a natural colour.
    Poster child for a five.
    What me grandad would call “a good sturdy woman, not flashy but give ye fine sons.”

    In the old days (up to 1980) she would eventually by say 28 find a nice Burt or Hank or George to pair to. A good solid prospect, not flashy but provide for his wife and sons. A butcher, or framer, or drycleaner, maybe a clerk.

    They would work hard, find a wee house and over the next few years produce two kids, dog and a cat. They would vacation in Florida or road trips.

    They wouldn’t be passionate but would have meh stress relief sex every week or so. They would fight, yell but make up because deep down they knew 5s get 5s. Oh they might dream,imagine but they know. So as long as he didnt drink, she didn’t pop pills, no one got violent, the kids and yard were cared for.

    They were never HAAAAAPPY but they were content. Safe. Assured of someone to just be there.

    The life of a 5. Or 4. Or 6.

    Ernest Boirgnine won an Oscar for playing just this guy brilliantly in Marty.
    A true red pill movie.

    Now….

    Well we all know what happens…..and it ends in cats and anti depressants and fifty years of crushing lonliness.

    I can’t imagine being alone for decades. Literally. No frame of reference. And that is a good thing.

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  20. mgtowhorseman says:

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  23. mgtowhorseman says:

    “She’s a dog and I’m a fat ugly man. But I had a good time last night. And I’ll have a good time tonight. And if we have enough good times I’ll get down on my knees and beg her to marry me. You don’t like her, thats too bad.

    Hello? Hello Claira??”

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  24. mgtowhorseman says:

    Feminism, modern life, social media, whatever…..killed this.

    Society is doomed to a slow, ugly decline while fat ugly men and dog women sit alone staring at the dark.

    Fade out.
    Mic drop.

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  25. mgtowhorseman says:

    FB might wanna combine all that into a future post.

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  26. Farm Boy says:

    Might as well watch paint dry but its your time to waste

    Actually no. There are lots of poor young men who have been indoctrinated. They can be shown the light through facts and logic applied to the reality of what they see in the world. It is mainly for them that I write.

    The total silliness of women’s arguments is not always obvious to these young men. When you are young, you just don’t always understand things. Often, all that is needed is an effective explanation of what they are seeing in the world.

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  27. BuenaVista says:

    While I think she elevates her noble anxiety because it’s part of the act, I would also note that she’s worked up because she knows the Christian blogger is correct. IOW, she agrees with her but you’re not allowed to say that about debt and tatts. She thought she was watching one movie but turns out there’s another running, and … cognitive dissonance.

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  28. earl says:

    ‘What me grandad would call “a good sturdy woman, not flashy but give ye fine sons.”

    I’d take a good sturdy woman and I dated a few…but they seem to have the same unrealistic expectations as the rebellious flashy women. Then they wonder why they go so long without even so much as having a date.

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  29. Farm Boy says:

    Yes, cognitive dissonance.

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  30. RichardP says:

    @earl posted a meme: Sleeping with chads, having debt, tattoos = God doesn’t love you.

    Backwards that is. The more correct statement is:

    Sleeping with chads, having debt, tattoos implies that you don’t love God.

    .Farm Boy opined that Not about God, but about men this is.

    Not entirely true. The woman (Lori Alexander) who kicked off all of this with her article is a Christian writer, writing mainly to educate women to what Christ-centered men value in a wife. In the context of what signals a Christ-centered man is looking for that would indicate a Christ-centered woman, the following would be a useful read for those objecting to Lori Alexander’s article:

    Your beauty should not come from outward adornment, such as elaborate hairstyles and the wearing of gold jewelry or fine clothes. Rather, it should be that of your inner self, the unfading beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is of great worth in God’s sight.
    1 Peter 3:3-4

    Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your bodies. 1 Corinthians 6:19-20

    Never mind what Christ-centered men are looking for. Do those “Christian” women who are objecting to Lori Alexander’s article care what God is looking for? Their objects indicate that they do not.

    Finally, a caution to the guys: Humans change. There is no way to guarantee that the signals she is sending at age 25 will be the same signals she believes in at age 50. Marriage is more about [us] being the right person than finding the right person [her]. Humans change. Odds are that the “right” person may not stay the right person. Then what will we do, particularly if we believe divorce is not an option? It is a foolish man who expects to find a wife better than the one Adam’s father got for him. God could have given Adam a perfect wife. He didn’t. Why do we think he is going to give us what he didn’t give Adam?

    The imperfect Adam and the imperfect Eve seem to have built a useful life for themselves outside of the Garden, in spite of their flaws. That story is there in the Bible – just like all of the other stories we insist are there for our instruction, reproof, and edification. So also is this story – of building a useful life outside of the Garden – provided for our instruction, reproof, and edification. That story is our template. I don’t think any of us are going to do any better than Adam and Eve did, this side of the Resurrection.

    Delbert McClinton wrote a song about this:Take It Easy Lovin Me
    Crystal Gayle’s version was the big hit on radio and can be found on YouTube.

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  31. earl says:

    ‘Humans change.’

    If I would see a woman actually admit remorse and repentence over past hookups…that would be a good start. Most of them won’t even resort to that…it was all ‘an experience that made me a better person or taught me more about myself’.

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  32. Farm Boy says:

    taught me more about myself

    Perhaps not so much “taught”, but rather “formed”

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  33. RichardP says:

    Earl, I get your point. My point was that the “good” person you see at a young age, the “good” that leads you to believe she is the one – because she is sending all the correct signals – won’t necessarily be that “good” person when she is older. Because humans change, using the “right signals” sent today to choose a forever wife is no gurantee that she won’t change into something you would have never chosen later.

    That is the point that many are making, and I think it is maybe not registering with many guys. Perhaps because the point could be made better than some folks are making it?

    If once good, always good were a truism, then looking for signals that say “good” in a young woman would be a useful activity. But it is not a truism. The reality is this – that too many guys don’t wish to accept: what was once good can become not good (that happened to Christ, and he spit them out of his mouth), and what was once bad can become good (that happened to Christ, and he invited the thief on the cross to join him that day in Paradise). Which one you get today, and what you end up with tomorrow is not something any of us can guarantee. (But this is not a call to just take anything that shows up. We cannot get rid of risk entirely, but we can take steps to reduce risk. That is why looking to the greater family that the person comes from is a valuable thing to do.)

    I totally understand a Christ-centered man’s desire for the Christ-centered wife who laughs at his jokes and jumps on his bones every chance she gets (I do like enthusiastic women). The reality is that there is no way to guarantee that will happen, or that – if it does happen – it will stay that way.

    I guess a different way of saying this is a call to guys to be well-informed in their expectations. The story of Adam and Eve was given to us for a reason.

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  34. mgtowhorseman says:

    OMG! The house hippo!!!

    Shut up! They are REAL!!

    Like snow loons!

    (You know, every show where they show the woods there is the sound of a loon so you know its the woods, even in February! Normal loons migrate early as in September!)

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  35. mgtowhorseman says:

    How many tv shows do you here this even if there is no water around?

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  36. Farm Boy says:

    Here is another example of missing the point deliberately

    God’s Not Looking for Debt-Free Virgins

    https://phyliciamasonheimer.com/debt-free-virgin-without-tattoos/

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  37. Yeah lots of women don’t want to hear this, especially if they are trying to go from AF to B.B., but not wanting to hear it does not equal it is not true.

    Richard P excellent point re these women wanting guys and God to love them, “No matter what!” That doesn’t sound very repentant to me, which is kinda step 1in the Grace deal.

    So mean! Waaaaa!!!! Sniff! (Stomps off, slams door, throws dishes, regrets posting every hookup on social media for likes from her go gurl gal pals! Not fair!!!)

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  38. Btw that third paragraph was hypothetical, not autobiographical. Lol. To clarify.

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  39. OT: lots of hand wringing and fear mongering going on in this article. Interesting how it seems to question a president actually *leading* or making decisions while implying everyone else (Dems and RINO’s?) agrees the alphabet soup crew should be setting the rules. Interesting how they reveal a whole lot more here than they may have intended.

    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/07/23/trump-putin-secrets-intelligence-736242

    Love the last bit, like Trump would for once not correct it if misinformation were put out there by someone? (Even the ruskies!) duh, of course he’d be blasting them in tweets just like the rest.

    They are really grasping at straws anymore it would seem… I don’t remember the constitution saying the executive branch answers to and refers to staff… do you?

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  40. * defers not refers, darn autocorrect!

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  41. Maybe staff got used to dealing with puppets it might seem? Hummm…

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  42. In any case, this is the source of much of the wailing and gnashing of teeth on both sides. “Dammit, he wasn’t the one we prepicked! He’s not following the script. How did this happen?!?! He’s going to MAGA! How can we control it then? Dammit!” (Munches popcorn and waits for the next shocking revelation or unexpected turn.)

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  43. Cheque d'Out says:

    The woman in the video claims to have met the criteria of debt, n and tatts at marriage.

    She’s waaaay too worked up for me to believe that. And emphasising her god’s forgiving nature. Why is this forgiving nature so crucial to her? What does she believe she’s had forgiven? Women are so transparent with this shit. When a woman gets that worked up over something? It’s because it affects her personally, it’s not some abstract question of morality.

    And it is ‘her god’ (as proposed to the Christian God) because she’s very specific that she and he have a personal relationship with no one else interpreting his will for her. Churchianity at its finest, no God, just her personal BFF beta god.

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  44. Cheque d'Out says:

    Haven’t watched it yet, it’s too nice a morning and I have things to do, but this interview on the BBC prime daily news show was described as redefining Trump Derangement Syndrome

    Remember folks, the BBC charter requires them to be balanced in their coverage of news and current affairs

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  45. Larry G says:

    Jeez. There is something seriously wrong with these bat-shit crazy western females. Maybe they had an incomplete lobotomy in college that scrambled their brains. Bitch, if you are hundreds of thousands in debt, have already fucked (or are currently fucking) multiple football and basketball teams, and look like a graffiti mural, chances are you might not be worth the risk of some poor idiot putting a ring on your finger…just a wild guess.

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  46. earl says:

    ‘I am writing this because I am grieved. I am grieved for every unbelieving woman who reads that article and thinks Jesus Christ is in the business of tattoo-removal and debt-consolidation before you can approach Him. ‘

    The ‘offending’ article was about what men prefer for marriage…not how Jesus’s mercy works.

    ‘I am not the only one who is grieved. God is.’

    Another example of the western women’s ‘God’ is their feelngs.

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  47. earl says:

    ‘Maybe they had an incomplete lobotomy in college that scrambled their brains.’

    I think most of them know what Lori said is true and they are emoting about it. But they can’t admit it is true and as a result they are making out of context arguements.

    It is a Bill Burr bit where he talks about how women argue…if they know they are right they argue the point and stay on point, if they know they are wrong they go rogue and get off the point.

    So when these crying women want to refute or retort the point made which is ‘men prefer women who are debt-free virgins with no tats for marriage’…and stay out of the ‘what God loves or forgives’ business which was not the point of the article..then they are getting somewhere.

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  48. Yech. The beaver doesn’t swim far from the dam, do she…

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  49. Re the OP:

    Straw man
    A straw man is a common form of argument and is an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent’s argument, while actually refuting an argument that was not presented by that opponent. One who engages in this fallacy is said to be “attacking a straw man.”

    “But the article didn’t say much about Christ. In the name of Christianity, however, it articulated rules which are found nowhere in Scripture.”

    That’s right, the article didn’t say much about Christ because the article was about what MEN prefer. It also didn’t articulate any rules, again it talked about MEN and what they PREFER. Which, Phylicia (ha!), makes your entire post worthless.

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  50. BuenaVista says:

    One problem the original article raises for contemporary, self-adorned “Christians”, is that it invalidates the current practice of husbands worshiping their wives, and the wives believing that if they are unhappy or disconcerted, it is a failure of the husbands’ “servant leadership.”

    The men who remain in congregations seem fine with this, though of course it’s contrary (making an idolatrous relationship between spouses, and the wife being a proxy for God) to Scripture.

    There’s a level of arrogance and pride in this statement — ‘I am not the only one who is grieved. God is.’ — that to a nonbeliever is obvious and immediately disqualifying. No woman or man gets to decide what God is saying today about transitory human relations. Churches that do are preaching to the self-satisfied and smug, and yes, they are all feminine-primary.

    Whenever a pastor starts in on what Jesus intends for me, I just say, “Honestly pastor, Jesus has bigger fish to fry.” It’s striking how few self-described Christians have a response to that. But then most churches are structured and operate along the same lines as a Rotary Club.

    ***

    Larry’s comment is very thoughtful. I agree that things change and one’s condition at time zero may not be one’s condition at T + 30. However, there is a greater possibility of happiness and success if at T=0 one is not dealing with a turnaround. More mature and more intelligent people than the shrieking females overreacting to a simple observation about men know how extremely difficult it is to make true, life-changing reversals of habit.

    ***

    Regarding the original article, and the attributes tatts, virginity and debt-free, I would advise a young friend the old consulting nostrum “Choose any two.” (Management consulting: “Speed, quality, price: choose any two.” They always choose speed and quality.)

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  51. Larry G says:

    Wait a minute…if a man prefers not to marry an indebted, tatted up slut, why are the lunatic feminist females bitching and whining? No fish needs a bike, right?

    This whole “hurricane” issue is both extremely sad and mildly funny at the same time.

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  52. BuenaVista says:

    KH: these women are taught at church that what God prefers is expressed through their person. (Not, incidentally, through the husband’s person equally.) This is the new “complementarian” theology. Strangely, they don’t want to say publicly that they are God’s proxies, so they lose their shit and play with matches in a scrum of straw men, or just go ad hominem.

    I mean, it’s really quite simple. The original article said a few things about male preferences that a fifth-grader could understand, and probably, logically agree with. But the rage spiral in response occurs because the women are watching a movie in which there are no objective differences in the moral or aesthetic value of behavior. Hence the cognitive dissonance. There’s no reconciling this “Christian” version of “anything goes” with a version of human events in which decisions and behavior produce different outcomes. Really, all they have is “You can’t say that!” which is what she is saying.

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  53. BuenaVista says:

    The style that blondie in the video above adopts (and exactly how carb-addicted do you have to be to look like that at 25; if I were she, I’d cover my arms) is, I think, first created by a YouTuber named Laci Green, who delivers “edgy, frank, sassy” videos on every and all sexual practices. Many of which are antithetical to Christian teaching, of course. But she’s a helping professional of some sort, in her mind. The jump cuts, precocious face, M-60 delivery speed — this is all typical of Green, who will teach teenage girls how to find their boyfriends prostate, or what girls exploring cunnilingus with other girls need to learn.

    I’m surprised the blondie is not wearing “problem glasses.” This is the latest fashion accessory of Laci Green, Ali Watkins, Bari Weiss (NYT editor). It seems to be a millennial signal that “Hey, I don’t know shit about what I’m talking about, but these here oversized men’s Wayfarers are telling you, Don’t talk back.”

    Apologies, I’ve forgotten how to just insert images. So, links.

    Green:

    Watkins:

    Weiss:

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  54. earl says:

    The choose two thing wad brought up at Heartiste site.

    I would take virgin, no tats

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  55. @BV
    “these women are taught at church that what God prefers is expressed through their person.”

    I’m not exactly sure what you mean by this. Is that like “prosperity gospel” (I think that’s the term)?

    “Really, all they have is “You can’t say that!” which is what she is saying.”

    Which is why I don’t post things like my comment at their sites. No point in it is there? Nice grandma lady preaches chastity, modesty, and frugality and gets ATTACKED by these church-ian goddesses and their mangina acolytes. There is no debating with these people as their method of communication is to point and shriek. They are not interested in or capable of defending their un-logic beyond calling people who disagree a “_____-ist!”

    Now, Boxer talks about trying to wake up normy passers-by in this post:

    https://v5k2c2.com/2018/07/15/win_1-0-tgz/

    and while I think its a good tactic/goal, I’m not really very good at that type of rhetoric, plus the people who would follow a Sheila Gregoire, her spawn, or a Phylicia (ha!) are probably not really normies and are already too far down the rabbit hole to hear any shouts coming from the wilderness.

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  56. Two out of three is a false dilemma in this case. A woman is not a requirement, but a nice-to-have if you can find the right one. Can’t find what you’re looking for today? Leave and come back tomorrow, or try another location.

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  57. “Problem glasses” on plain-to-ugly ain’t really much of a problem is it?

    [Seems appropriate this does]

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  58. Farm Boy says:

    When a woman gets that worked up over something? It’s because it affects her personally, it’s not some abstract question of morality.

    Women just normally are not into intellectual debates. Probably because most are not the evil INTJ type

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  59. mgtowhorseman says:

    Trigger warning…blasphamy ahead.

    Forget all the religion, moral ideas around this, its not relevent!!

    Go back to pure marketing.

    You want some schlub at some point to take care of you for twenty plus years right?

    What do schlubs want over the long term? Produce, maintain, market that!!

    Like selling sjw Marvel comics, Amy Shwimmer Perelli tires, fix your own damned Cambells soup. Virtue signalling doesn’t sell to the majority of the market, some yes, but not most.

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  60. earl says:

    ‘Women just normally are not into intellectual debate.’

    It served the purpose….it made them feel feelings.

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  61. copperfox3c says:

    One of the key points of the Red Pill is accepting reality for what it is, and realizing that you are not duty-bound to behave in a “moral” way to prop up society. Rather, as men, we do things with the understanding that their is fair trade involved.

    The problem with this tradcon notion of marriage (virgin, tatttoo-less, chaste, feminine) is that we are not as a society producing women like that anymore. In this feminist era, the other side is not holding up its end of the bargain.

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  62. copperfox3c says:

    New post on the Illiberal Liberal:

    http://www.illiberal-liberal.com/2018/07/i-held-a-protest-for-poor-white-boys-from-appalachia-nobody-came/

    [Obviously the correct type of victim they would not be]

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  63. Cill says:

    I watched the first part of the video at 12:12 am, up to the point where she burst into tears, because I knew she would. Tears are necessary when you’ve exhausted every other way of portraying your grief. She’s not as professional as Meryl Streep, but she did a passing job of losing it completely.

    She was sharing with all those high #N / debt-ridden / tattoed women out there. I thought her performance accurately presented the group-think approach to life, especially when the muff mafia are hit by tsunami of feelz and the tears cannot be denied.

    Tears do work with women and a lot of men, so might as well use ’em.

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  64. Larry G says:

    “Tears do work with women and a lot of men, so might as well use ’em.” So I can assume that laughing at and ridiculing a female in the middle of her waterworks is mildly unacceptable?

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  65. earl says:

    ‘Tears are necessary when you’ve exhausted every other way of portraying your grief.’

    Or you can’t refute the points logically.

    Did her crying prove that men don’t prefer debt free virgin with no tattoos?

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  66. thedeti says:

    It’s alarming how Sheila’s offense to men’s preferences for tattoofree, debtfree virgins gives rise to an entirely new theology that virginity is ultimately garbage.

    No, God isn’t just “making up a rule” in forbidding premarital sex. He instituted the rule for humans’ own good. So it’s not “garbage”. It’s not about righteousness per se; it’s about protection of self and future spouse; and putting up a wall between the marriage and the rest of the world; and not bonding yourself to others you’re not going to spend your life with.

    “Virginity is ultimately garbage” and “virginity is righteousness” is not what the Bible teaches. What the bible does teach is “no premarital sex, because marriage is the only appropriate place for sex.”

    The bible also teaches repentance is the way to salvation. But repentance does not mean you no longer bear the scars of your past sins in body and mind. You do. Oh yes you do. The effects can be minimized, even overcome. But they’re still there.

    And more to the point, what’s really being complained about here is a Christian woman acknowledging that men have preferences and that men are entitled to have preferences. If women want men, then they have to satisfy those preferences or lower their standards until they find men whose preferences they can satisfy.

    This can’t be overemphasized – it’s the idea that men have preferences. Its’ the idea that there’s a man that’s one-half of that relationship, and there are things HE wants, and HE needs, and HE desires. Why does it matter what HE wants? Why do we care about him?

    Men don’t want to marry high N women. Men don’t want to take on debt and they don’t prefer markedup tatted up women who look and act like men.

    What this gets down to is women objecting to men having standards. Because that leads to men judging women. And that leads to men evaluating women. And that leads to men rejecting some women and accepting others. And women hate judgment and rejection, especially when it’s “less than” men who are doing the judging and rejecting.

    Protip to Sheila and others: Know why the men around you are nodding “yes dear” and agreeing with you that these are bad bad men who want tattooless, debtless virgins? because they’re terrified of you. They’re deathly afraid Mommy will get mad at them. They’re deathly afraid you’ll stop having sex with them. If I get them alone, and drill down deeply enough, I’m pretty sure they’ll confide in me that they, too, don’t want to wife up women with “USMC” tattooed on their biceps, owing $100k in college and other debt, and have high Ns. But they’ll never admit that to you, because they want to get their once every three months nookie.

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  67. Cill says:

    “Yech. The beaver doesn’t swim far from the dam, do she…”

    There are times when laughter… cannot be resisted.

    [Seems appropriate this does]

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  68. earl says:

    ‘They’re deathly afraid you’ll stop having sex with them. ‘

    Sounds like Shelia already barters sex as a weapon with her agreeable husband…so what does he have to lose by disagreeing?

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  69. thedeti says:

    Not one person – NOT ONE PERSON – said that nonvirgins with tattoos and debt are bad people; that they are irredeemable, that they’re bad Christians; that they cannot be Christians; that they’re unsalvageable; that they’re ugly; or that they couldn’t and shouldn’t marry. That is NOT what was said.

    All that was said was that men prefer tattooless, debtfree virgins for marriage. That’s all.

    I’ve known plenty of sluts. I’ve known plenty of women with tats and with debt. Lots of them are pretty. They’re good people. They’re cool. They’re even pretty good Christians. They’re saved. They’re not ugly. And lots of them get married (despite the fact that they’re not prepared for it and continue to make poor choices in that regard).

    But they’re probably not the best choices for marriage. And a lot of men didn’t PREFER them. If high value men preferred them, every one of them would have been yanked off the lot and out of the market at lightning speed. If they had been preferred, i.e. first choice instead of akin to the nerd picked last for flag football, their slut days would have been few, instead of many.

    This is just reality: Men don’t prefer sluts with tats and debt. They just don’t. Will men have sex with them? Sure, all day long. Will men marry them? Yes. Debt laden tatted up sluts marry every day. Are they preferred by most men, including most Christian men? No, they’re not.

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  70. Larry G says:

    Deti, WTF????? “because they want to get their once every three months nookie.” ONCE every 3 MONTHS??? Holy crap. And I was thinking once a week was damn near celibate.

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  71. earl says:

    I remember the story horseman told when his wife tried that game. It’s amazing what influence a man has when his decision making isn’t ruled by whether wifey decides he gets sex with her or not.

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  72. Larry G says:

    Nicely condensed…”This is just reality: Men don’t prefer sluts with tats and debt. They just don’t. Will men have sex with them? Sure, all day long. Will men marry them? Yes. Debt laden tatted up sluts marry every day. Are they preferred by most men, including most Christian men? No, they’re not.”

    Now can we talk about Star Wars instead of females?

    [In two weeks a Star Wars post scheduled it is]

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  73. SFC Ton says:

    Damnit RP! Don’t you know folks found their magical marraige talisman? Can’t go raining on folks feelings I mean fool proof plans

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  74. thedeti says:

    It’s amazing what influence a man has when his decision making isn’t ruled by whether wifey decides he gets sex with her or not.

    Summoning the Horseman. Remind me of that story.

    It must be, condensed: “I will either have sex with you; or with other women. I want you to be the one I have sex with. But it doesn’t have to be you. If you cannot or will not or don’t want to get the job done, then I will find someone else who can, will, and wants to.

    “Either you do it, or I’ll get someone else to do it.”

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  75. Cill says:

    “So I can assume that laughing at and ridiculing a female in the middle of her waterworks is mildly unacceptable?”

    Eh?

    “Mildly”?

    Any form of heartless indifference to feelz is totally, disgustingly, unutterably unacceptable.

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  76. @Copper

    “The problem with this tradcon notion of marriage (virgin, tatttoo-less, chaste, feminine) is that we are not as a society producing women like that anymore.”

    You get more of what you subsidize; so society (but specifically men) needs stop subsidizing the women who refuse to meet the requirements. Men need to hold women to higher standards and then the market will provide.

    [Unfortunateky government subsidizes it does]

    Because:

    @deti

    “What this gets down to is women objecting to men having standards.”

    x1000

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  77. Cill says:

    BuenaVista: “There’s a level of arrogance and pride in this statement — ‘I am not the only one who is grieved. God is.’ — that to a nonbeliever is obvious and immediately disqualifying.”

    True.

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  78. Cill says:

    6:18 am in Aotearoa and dark as pitch on a Winter’s day. Time to gird my loins and strike forth into the great unknown.

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  79. Cheque d'Out says:

    “So I can assume that laughing at and ridiculing a female in the middle of her waterworks is mildly unacceptable?”

    I reckon that no reaction at all would be effective enough. I’d lay money that women are like kids; once they work out that the tears aren’t working, you’ll be amazed at how fast the tears dry up. Then summon up your inner Mighty Ton and get yourself some reassuring ‘Daddy does care about me’ sex. Just a guess.

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  80. Larry G says:

    “Then summon up your inner Mighty Ton and get yourself some reassuring ‘Daddy does care about me’ sex.” hmmm…never thought about that, good plan.

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  81. Cill says:

    Here am I, about to strike forth, and the Patriarch shows up.

    Re the tears, I agree. Ignoring the theatricals is what I usually do IRL.

    I’ve gotta go. Back later.

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  82. earl says:

    ‘ONCE every 3 MONTHS??? Holy crap. And I was thinking once a week was damn near celibate.’

    That to me is proof of what happens when a husband is agreeable to wifey’s delusions of grandeur.

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  83. earl says:

    ‘5 Ugly Truths About Women That Young Men Need to Recognize’

    https://pjmedia.com/lifestyle/5-ugly-truths-about-women-that-young-men-need-to-recognize/

    Highlights:

    4. Women are not as stable as men

    There are exceptions to every rule, but the most stable woman is as emotional as an unstable guy.

    (proven by the crying in the video)

    5. Women may come to hate you for your weakness

    If your woman is stronger than you, she may still date you. She may love you. She may even marry you one day. However, on a fundamental level, she will not be able to respect you if you are not strong and competent enough to lead her. Women don’t want to be the ones who make all the decisions and wear the pants in the family and if you force her to do that, it will wear on her and she will come to resent you.

    (women prefer & want men they respect…no amount of emoting about not needing a man or being strong and independent will change this)

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  84. [Unfortunately government subsidizes it does]

    Women vote; government pays for what women vote for. Which is why MAGA (or your preferred national variation) will never occur while women have the vote. The FIRST step to MAGA is not in building the wall or ending immigration or voiding shitty trade deals. The first step is repealing the 19th Amendment.

    Now you can say, “That will never happen” and sadly, I will agree with you, but it doesn’t mean that I (and many others) am wrong.

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  85. SFC Ton says:

    Man a BV and a Deti… banner day

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  86. SFC Ton says:

    Not one person – NOT ONE PERSON – said that nonvirgins with tattoos and debt are bad people;
    …….

    Women are bad people. Full stop. They’ll be good to you as long as you rule over them effectively/ fear you/ fear loosing you etc etc but I will say they are bad people

    I am on record for this already. Church girls are the worst ones to date etc etc. The fucking worst

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  87. earl says:

    “What this gets down to is women objecting to men having standards.”

    Not only that men’s standards certainly aren’t even as near as impossible as a woman’s 313 bullet point check list. Something as simple as don’t get strange in you, don’t get inked, and don’t run up debt and add don’t have an unhealthy BMI are certainly not herculean tasks.

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  88. mgtowhorseman says:

    “Tears do work with women and a lot of men, so might as well use ’em.” So I can assume that laughing at and ridiculing a female in the middle of her waterworks is mildly unacceptable?”

    Hell NO!

    Mocking is my go to response to anyone crying unless someone died or they are under the age of 12.

    Several times during negotiations or arbitrations I had a usually female union rep crying because I was being intractible. My favorite response was “Really? Really? Well go cry on the picket line, we are done here.”

    And more than once I stormed into a manager’s office “what the Fuck did you just do?” after hearing they were crying in front of staff or a resident. “We take Care of them, they need to feel safe, we are in charge.”

    In general my response to argument crying is

    “Crying? And you want to handle this? By Crying? You want to be in charge/win? A blubbering 3 year old? Shut the fuck up!”

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  89. SFC Ton says:

    5. Women may come to hate you for your weakness
    …..
    Weakness = shit baby batter

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  90. BuenaVista says:

    KH: “I’m not exactly sure what you mean by this. Is that like “prosperity gospel” (I think that’s the term)?”

    No I just meant that they’re presuming to control a dialogue and dispute by claiming to speak for God. That’s the very premise of the rebuttal article by Phyllxxx: I know what God thinks and wants!

    A) They aren’t some new cohort of priestesses annointed by complementarian theology; B) God is not channeling deep insights to women who are trying to square a post-modern, feminist circle with claims to devotional integrity.

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  91. mgtowhorseman says:

    Larry

    Pre the year from hell I kept track. 6 as in 1,2,3,4,5,6 in one year. Six!!
    I actually took pride in crossing out an entire month in my daytimer.

    But it removed the NEED! I don’t need to have sex with her. And she knows it!

    Hence the time after the year from hell she tried the witholding routine and I made her cry.

    Now she starts getting fidgity if a two weeks go by, not because she is horny herself but because I might be mad at her.

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  92. Larry G says:

    Horseman, guess I have a little different view. Before we got married, she and I had a very interesting and frank discussion about it; basically two fold. One; having access to her was my right as her husband. Two; whether she was 100% in or not, it was her duty as a wife.

    Fuck headaches, but got a pass when Auntie Flo visited.

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  93. mgtowhorseman says:

    This whole freakout is not about church, sex, tats, whatever.

    It is a group of women realizing they are NOT NEEDED! Facing Obsolecence.

    It is forcing them to face both personal rejection and powerlessness.

    A woman hearing “I want a divorce” is more devestating than “you have cancer”

    Not because of the divorce itself (that she may want) but because in one millisecond her world changes.

    You! Not some abstract, some tatted non virgin, specifically, singularly Y-O-U, the person hearing this…..

    Is NOT WANTED! Of No Value! Will Not Be Missed!

    That is what all this blowback is about.

    Why mgtow apathy is the ultimate nuke from orbit.

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  94. earl says:

    ‘God is not channeling deep insights to women who are trying to square a post-modern, feminist circle with claims to devotional integrity.’

    I doubt most of these ‘Christian’ women do this…but reading the OT prophets who the Lord actually spoke to and through…you notice God has his own emotions and it’s not what the prophet is feeling.

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  95. mgtowhorseman says:

    Yeah well so was I but after twenty years of career oriented on the road marriage I slipped into beta schlub and lost it.

    But the instant I dropped the D bomb and meant it, everything changed. Had a lot of work to do, both of us but it killed the blue pill and most of all the meh attitude of both of us.

    This marriage, every fucking day, has to be better than nothing!

    Cause nothing is right thru that door and its wide open.
    And we both know it.

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  96. mgtowhorseman says:

    Deti

    This was last year, several years after the year from hell.

    She tried the “I wont have sex unless you blah blah.”
    I said “Mmm ok.”

    Then ignored her romantically, sexually. Not unplessant just ignored the clothes, hair, whatever. And didnt instigate even a kiss. Still said I love you each day as I left fir work.

    By two weeks she was puzzled.
    By three she was flirty (ignoref)

    After six weeks she came down in a nighty and she never wears that stuff.

    I just looked her straight in the eye ignoring the costume and said “Im not going to blah blah so we arent doing that.”

    She burst into tears and ran upstairs.

    I let her stew for an hour.

    “So, is this little game finished?”
    A whispered “yes”

    And I fucked her brains out.

    Now if I dont grab her ass after a week she gets parinoid.

    Largely because she KNOWS I have gone a year without sex and KNOWS I won’t hesitate to do what is necessary.

    And most of all, she and everyone around me KNOWS that to me

    I Come First. Period.

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  97. BuenaVista says:

    With respect to yet another discussion (here but more at Dalrock) about the mythical Good Religious Girl, where are they, outside of a few very cloistered religious communities? I live in one of the most conservative Congressional districts in the country. The Mormon girls out west practice “technical virginity” and the Missouri Synod and nondenominational bible churches I’ve attended are filled with girls and women who look like they’re going out to a bar on Saturday night. The wives are available, incidentally, under the right circumstances.

    So, from that perspective, I do find the brushfire over tatts etc interesting and revealing. But I also think it’s a red herring. We’re not a Hutterite or Amish red pill community. And frankly, I am skeptical the girls there are living like it’s 1948, also.

    Perhaps that is another driver of Blondie’s video histrionics. She knows that such young women aren’t even outliers. This, to me, is example of how the manosphere can be tedious and verges, as Ton said, toward whining. “Where have all the good girls gone?”

    Number of times I met a 21 year-old virgin in my life I was attracted to? Only once. But I met her when she was 43, and she weren’t no virgin no more, trust me (apostate Mormon).

    “Where have all the good girls gone?” Many answers to that are defensible. “That’s about as interesting as women saying “Where have all the good men gone?”.” Or, “They were consumed by their screens in this culture of narcissism.” Or, “Fuck if I know. Call or raise or fold.” Or, C.S. Lewis had it right; we’re actually in Hell and don’t realize it, so whining is a bad look.

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  98. mgtowhorseman says:

    Lao Tzu say “One does not have to be obnoxioius prick to be self centred asshole”

    Wise words my friends.

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  99. thedeti says:

    Good stuff.

    There will be no “I won’t have sex with you unless you do/be/stop doing/stop being X”.

    There will be no conditioning sex on this or that or the other contingency. The time to make that decision was BEFORE she said “I do”. If a woman wants to condition sex, she does not really want to be a wife.

    Now, I will make certain concessions but they must be reasonable. If you’re projectile vomiting or have a REAL, ACTUAL medical condition or are exhausted or really genuinely too busy, fine. I get that. But I will not accept “I have a headache” or “meh just don’t feel like it” or “nah, go take care of it yourself”. No. That’s what YOU are here for, is to take care of that FOR me. “Headache” is you pushing me away and is a pretextual excuse. And “don’t feel like it”? Do it until you feel like it.

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  100. thedeti says:

    This, to me, is example of how the manosphere can be tedious and verges, as Ton said, toward whining. “Where have all the good girls gone?”

    In many ways, the manosphere has come full circle. There’s a growing contingent of tradcons urging a conservative return to Marriage 1.0. And that requires “good girls”. You can’t have marriage 1.0 without “good girls”. That’s also a function of the fact that a lot of men can’t hack it or don’t want to do the work to try to hack it. A lot of men can’t get more attractive despite putting in the work; and a lot more men don’t want to put in the work.

    The emphasis on tats is because more and more “tradcon” men don’t like them; and because women with tats is a proxy for “slut”. Still is in religious tradcon circles.

    It’s becoming less and less correlated to “slut” in the wider world, simply because “woman” and “nonvirgin” are becoming increasingly converged to a 1.0 ratio. Today, if you’re a woman over 18, I presume you are not a virgin, regardless of any other demographics. Christian? So what? That doesn’t mean you’re a virgin. From a conservative small town community? In small towns, there’s nothing to do other than have sex, and pollute your bodies with legal and illegal substances. From a conservative religious sect? Also irrelevant. If you’re a woman living in the United States, you’ve probably had sex. Amish and other hyperultraconservative isolationist sects are also so rare and small as to be negligible, really.

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  101. Farm Boy says:

    Report: Trump Told North Korea A Plane Would Come to Take Otto Warmbier Home; Did Not Seek North Korea’s Permission to Land, Just Landed the Plane

    http://ace.mu.nu/archives/376256.php

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  102. Larry G says:

    ” If you’re a woman living in the United States, you’ve probably had sex.” So men have to settle for the used female leftovers here in the good ol’ US of A if they are really stupid enough to put a ring on it. What a deal…..

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  103. Love says:

    I watched the video and felt sorry for the poor girl. Not sure why she’s so emotional. She talked way too fast and it gave me a bit of a headache so I stopped watching. Given that im not a Christian, I can only sympathize as an unbiased person about her concerns. She is worried that the debt/tat-free/virgin message will push young women out of the church or intimidate them from joining. That sounds like a legitimate concern.

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  104. earl says:

    ‘So men have to settle for the used female leftovers here in the good ol’ US of A if they are really stupid enough to put a ring on it. What a deal…..’

    The reality is despite the fact the marriage rates have fallen…the rate in the US is still much higher than if men actually did hold to the standard ‘no hymen, no diamond’.

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  105. Larry G says:

    “The reality is despite the fact the marriage rates have fallen…the rate in the US is still much higher than if men actually did hold to the standard ‘no hymen, no diamond’.

    and that is a pity….

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  106. earl says:

    ‘She is worried that the debt/tat-free/virgin message will push young women out of the church or intimidate them from joining. That sounds like a legitimate concern.’

    Which wasn’t the point of the original article she was emoting about…they missed the point deliberately.

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  107. SFC Ton says:

    I married the church boys wet dream. Worst decision of my life. Only thing close to that would be all the money sunk into trucking.

    One time at band camp i had to make the call…. left door vs right door. Choose left because it was 1st as we approached. Dudes behind the right door tried to shoot the shit out of us through the door/ walls.

    That was a better decision then marrying a debt free, non tattooed virgin who went to church twice a week.

    Fact is, you have no idea why she is a virgin. Odds are its more about her 467 point checklist then anything else. Could be fucked up head space and timing, could be out of her own sense of selfworship or any number of things BUT the man o sphere dudes…. Dudes who typically have problems with women….. have come to their decision, based on part, their lack of expertise with women

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  108. Larry G says:

    IMO if a man decides to marry, he has every right to demand his bride to be is an untouched virgin. His standards, his call. If she is not a virgin, sure he can still decide to marry her, but again it is his preference. As for me, I insisted on a virgin bride and nothing less.

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  109. SFC Ton says:

    . She is worried that the debt/tat-free/virgin message will push young women out of the church or intimidate them from joining. That sounds like a legitimate concern.
    ……..

    Is it really a legit concern….. never seen anywhere in the Bible where it said “verily I say unto you, thou shalt not drop truth bombs of it will keep bitches out of the pews.”

    Course I am a King James 1611 sort of man so I have no idea what’s been added or removed

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  110. earl says:

    ‘As for me, I insisted on a virgin bride and nothing less.’

    At the very least it’ll take out the divorced, the single mothers, porn stars both pro and amateur, and the women who can’t be discrete about anything when it comes to their adventures out of the equation…and that’s the majority of the head cases you should avoid marrying to begin with.

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  111. SFC Ton says:

    Hey BV, forgot to mention I put Surefire supprresors on a pair of my .22’s. Very pleased with them.

    I finally got off my lazy ass and did the 10/22 build. Way fucking fun to shoot

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  112. Love says:

    “the standard ‘no hymen, no diamond’.”
    Be careful of such a standard. Women have found very innovative ways around that requirement for centuries.

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  113. BV
    “So, from that perspective, I do find the brushfire over tatts etc interesting and revealing. But I also think it’s a red herring. … And frankly, I am skeptical the girls there are living like it’s 1948, also.”

    The thing is, if a normie comes across ” men prefer clean-skinned, nice girls, with no debt”, they’re gonna think, ah, yuh that’s right, and then move on. The only reason any of else heard of it was the outrage mob that attacked the nice gandma.

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  114. Larry G says:

    ““the standard ‘no hymen, no diamond’.”
    Be careful of such a standard. Women have found very innovative ways around that requirement for centuries.”

    and doctors in the Middle East are quite adept in recognizing the deceptions as well. Virginity is not just a piece of tissue, it is a mindset, an innocence that is extremely hard to fake.

    LOL…and if a female has to go to all that trouble to fake her virginity in the first place to fool her husband, the guilt she feels must be overwhelming!

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  115. BuenaVista says:

    Even with the Amish it’s ambiguous. The sects where I’m from originally do not allow the children to join the church and community until their majority — and until they’ve left the straight and narrow for a while. This is called rumspringa. There are no behavioral restrictions during that year, so any young person joining the community is doing so with wide open eyes. I’m impressed with the notion of not conscripting children into the church, but waiting until they are young adults.

    Amish and Mennonite communities I’m familiar with commence rumspringa around 16. They may not be baptized until they complete this transition. Many opt out at that point, too.

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  116. earl says:

    ‘Women have found very innovative ways around that requirement for centuries.’

    It was a trampoline accident.

    ‘Virginity is not just a piece of tissue, it is a mindset, an innocence that is extremely hard to fake.’

    Bingo. I often look at the eyes and listen to the type of talk that comes out of her mouth.

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  117. BuenaVista says:

    “… have come to their decision, based on part, their lack of expertise with women”

    Sure, if you can’t or don’t enjoy your time with women, invent a type of woman who doesn’t exist, and then bitch about her nonexistence, a lot.

    ***

    Love, you either didn’t read or don’t understand the original essay if you think it is in any way a reasonable reason to leave a church. It has nothing to do with any and all churches.

    But, otoh, if some indebted tatted-up party girl wants to leave her church because the straight arrows don’t fancy her lifestyle and baggage, well, big fucking deal. She doesn’t know the first thing about faith and is there for the wrong reasons. She’d probably get hit on nonstop at AA meetings, so there’s that alternative, or she could head out to Sturgis in a tank top and tell every guy she meets she really knows what she wants, finally, and that’s a stable LTR.

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  118. Love says:

    Larry G, I’ve met many who learned to deceive very early on… Knowing their livelihood depended on it.

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  119. BuenaVista says:

    Cool. My latest adventure in armor is … a Hi-Point 9mm carbine. Built with the elegance of a Russian tractor, heavy as hell, ugly, and generally laughed at. Also, shoots straight farther than I can see. Stays in the truck because if the cops take it, I won’t have to hire a lawyer to try to get it back, they can keep it.

    I have a gf back in suburban NY who just bought her very first gun (lives alone, no tatts, no debt (no money either), definitely no hymen). It’s a 10/22 and she loves hers as well.

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  120. Love says:

    Buena Vista, as an outsider I have no insight on the number of new church goers or ones who leave. I was simply stating that I can understand the weeping woman’s concern: this message might deter a tatted and in debt woman from cleaning up her act and joining a church.

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  121. BuenaVista says:

    Did you read the essay? You seem to be ignoring what it says.

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  122. Larry G says:

    “I’ve met many who learned to deceive very early on… Knowing their livelihood depended on it.” Well, quite frankly I don’t care as it has zero impact on me or my family. I know for a fact that my wife was a virgin on our wedding night, and that is all that matters. The rest of the females, meh.

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  123. earl says:

    @Love…

    This was the point about the essay she was weeping about…it had nothing to do with church.

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  124. @BV

    “No I just meant that they’re presuming to control a dialogue and dispute by claiming to speak for God.”

    Dang. Did He happen to tell them to buy Amazon at $8/share?

    I worked with a guy who claimed his mother was Amish and whose father was a black fella who walked past the farm at the right time of month…

    He was quirky, and actually an ace programmer, but for some reason he married the prettiest moron >

    (To classify scores below 70, psychologists invented a scale of “retardation” -Morons, Imbeciles, and Idiots:Morons-Those with IQs between 51 and 70 (adequate learning skills to complete menial tasks and to communicate)Imbeciles-Thosewith IQs between 26 and 50 (unable to progress past a mental age of approximatelysix)Idiots-those with IQs between 0 and 25 (poor motor skills, extremely limited communication, and little response to stimulus)The moron/imbecile/idiot classification system remained in use until the early 1970s.

    > you’d ever be likely to meet. She really was at least an 8 physically, but he had to cut her food for her. I AM NOT KIDDING. I’ve met smarter dogs, or at least ones who looked they understood what you were saying about the weather or going walkies.

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  125. Love says:

    I read the original essay and agree with its points. I’m not arguing its validity. I’m simply stating that the weeping woman’s concern that a tatted/in debt woman who truly wants to change her life might feel like she’s doomed and can’t get married after seeing that slogan. I doubt most have read the article.

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  126. mgtowhorseman says:

    “I’m simply stating that the weeping woman’s concern that a tatted/in debt woman who truly wants to change her life might feel like she’s doomed and can’t get married after seeing that slogan.”

    But …um.

    They Are Doomed!! They Will Not Marry Quality Men! Ever!!

    Men do not Want, may be forced to settle for, but do Not Want!!!
    Worse, a high value man, one with choices, does not want and does not have to settle.

    Its called outcomes!!

    She doesn’t want to change her life, she wants to avoid the natural outcomes of her choices!!

    Boo fucking hoo!

    Work three jobs, clear the debt, get laser tattoo removal, and go a year clean sober and celibate. Then we will talk. That is womaning up!

    Can’t or won’t do it? You made the empty bed, lie in it!!

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  127. mgtowhorseman says:

    Jesus!! Like everything else

    I did stupid shit even though I was warned not to.

    Now someone other than me fix it!

    Action:reaction. Force:resistance. Choice:outcome

    R E S P O N S I B I L I T Y!!

    Has response right in it!!

    Fuck!!

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  128. mgtowhorseman says:

    Not picking on love but you see how you meaning women naturally fall into the feelz trap of empathy and rationalization! You can’t help it! Even when you know she is wrong!

    I cant help but feel for the poor thing!!

    And that is/was their power to avoid responsibilty!

    Unfortunately modern life has stripped men of their empathy.

    Women created the modern male response of “oooh the poor thing, Suck It BITCH!”

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  129. mgtowhorseman says:

    well meaning women

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  130. earl says:

    Living a life that is nothing but seeking short term thrills leads to long term consequences…that’s just the way it is.

    [Probably mean “adverse long term consequences” you do]

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  131. SFC Ton says:

    I’m pretty sure being over weight and their own list of requirements keep more women from marrying then the the no hymen no diamond rule and I would be willing to bet some coin that’s been the case for most of human history

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  132. Farm Boy says:

    Probably not the “overweight part” when considering all of human history

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  133. SFC Ton says:

    Stays in the truck because if the cops take it, I won’t have to hire a lawyer to try to get it back, they can keep it.
    ……

    That’s why the gun in my pocket is a Keltech

    Awesome on the 10/22. Get her to tune up the extractor, firing pin etc etc if she is going to fire a large volume of rounds. She’ll habe more fun and be able to run cheaper ammo with fewer problems

    It’s bad ass watching my grandson shoot that fucker like a mini pro

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  134. SFC Ton says:

    LOL legit FB!

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  135. SFC Ton says:

    I’m simply stating that the weeping woman’s concern
    ………

    Which as already stated her concern isn’t Bibical so holds no weight.

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  136. earl says:

    If tears is all it takes to sway the herd…then this is a good reason why they shouldn’t vote, shouldn’t be pastors, and probably shouldn’t be judges or in juries.

    So I’ll repeat…

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  137. SFC Ton says:

    the guilt she feels must be overwhelming
    ………
    You assume women feel guilt. And you would be wrong.

    Also man, boots on the ground all over the world, including moslem nations. I ain’t able to buy into what your trying to sell about the hatchet wounds there, unless they are still unmarried at the ripe old age of 12

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  138. Cheque d'Out says:

    You going to do a post on your blog about the 10|22 tune up? You never know who might find it relevant and be interested

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  139. SFC Ton says:

    Not sure boss. I have a lot of posts started with no foreseeable completion date.

    Plus I pretty much made it an exact copy of some other dudes build, only difference being the suppersors. I chose a more costly one #1) probably have a bigger budget. #2 the one I selected has a reputation for being easier to maintain but noiser by a few db’s. I elected slightly less sound suppression and easier maintainince over more difficult maintainince and more suppression .

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  140. SFC Ton says:

    Now if there is a special request from the boss man…..

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  141. Cheque d'Out says:

    I can imagine people being interested in magazine tuning, fixing feed and extraction issues. Not me personally, obviously. But people. Perhaps you could give some links that you find authoritative? For other people. 11=87 too, if you and those other people like. Curing stove-piping and the like, those people might suggest.

    You also mentioned T *cough* some *cough* time ago

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  142. Fnu Mnu Lnu says:

    This young woman has inspired me to film a video, which I will title “Why Young non-virgins who have lots of debt and tattoos, should have sex with fat-retired-old guys who are going bald”,…

    because it enrages me that they might not!

    really, WTF is wrong with her? people have their own preferences, and don’t have to live by her preferences.

    Bottom line is that guys would probably still marry her, but would prefer her not to have debt, tattoos, or a high N#.

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  143. Fnu Mnu Lnu says:

    the sparrows are awesome. i had an osprey45, but list that and all but 2 of my 20+ guns in the divorce. even ones i had bought for work. lost the 2 motorcycles as well.

    best part? she thinks it’s hurting me, and doesn’t realize that i couldn’t care less about “stuff”. it was all stashed for the kids, so she took away stuff from them, not from me.

    reason for posting this, is to show that women really don’t understand what motivates us. they focus on “things” way too much.

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  144. Farm Boy says:

    4. Women are not as stable as men
    There are exceptions to every rule, but the most stable woman is as emotional as an unstable guy. Women are more emotional, more hormonal than men. Women are, at best, more tolerant of drama than men and at worst, they seek it out. They will become upset for no good reason, act irrationally, and are more prone to things like anxiety than men. The point of this is not “women are unstable and bad,” it’s that women are very different in this area and you need to be ready to deal with it. At times there’s going to be crying, no matter what you do. At times, your girlfriend / lover / wife is going to become angry at you even though you’ve done nothing wrong. Wise men learn that there are times to ignore things women say rather than get in a fight because ten minutes later, their mood will improve. To men who aren’t used to it, all of this can be freaky, but it can also help keep things fresh and exciting once you learn to navigate it.

    https://pjmedia.com/lifestyle/5-ugly-truths-about-women-that-young-men-need-to-recognize/

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  145. Fnu Mnu Lnu says:

    if you really want to understand how a lot of women think, consider this statement:

    “unemployment is low, because people have two or three jobs.”

    ah, ok…

    [Clearly when the cortex not occasional that was]

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  146. Cheque d'Out says:

    When I saw this image for the first time I laughed and realised that it was true.
    https://despair.com/products/mistakes?variant=4376100306965

    It could be that the purpose of your life is only to serve as a warning to others.

    Not every life can be a success, just like not every vessel can be seaworthy. But there’s no shame in being one spectacular shipwreck. (Actually, there is. But we’re not going to kick you while you’re down, Edmund Fitzgerald.)

    I see in the junior nutjob video that this is something that cannot be allowed to be true for a woman.

    The must be no consequences for women, however stupid their decisions and actions.

    Jog on, as we say in Britain

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  147. earl says:

    ‘really, WTF is wrong with her? ‘

    I know, right. She finds out that perhaps women can’t control all men to the point that men should just accept whatever women demand and she breaks down. In fact I think that’s they easiest way to make a woman break down.

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  148. Fnu Mnu Lnu says:

    once every three months?

    at the beginning it was like the ever-ready bunny. anytime, all the time.

    ended up with nothing the last seven years of our marriage.

    best part?

    there is a decent 7, who says she’s up for a twirl once the divorce is finalized.

    #MAGA

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  149. “Jog on”

    I like it. It has a casual dismissiveness I find very appealing, in a “I can’t really be bothered with the likes of you, you daft, mewling coont.”

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  150. earl says:

    ‘The must be no consequences for women, however stupid their decisions and actions.’

    It’s like some women hamster they are exempt from Newton’s Third Law of motion or ‘you reap what you sow’.

    They can cry their crocodile tears all they want…it doesn’t change anything. If she wants to feast on chads, drugs, and thrills…she’ll reap the harvest of it.

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  151. Farm Boy says:

    We were told the future would be flying cars and cures for all diseases, instead we got stickers with people’s preferred pronouns.

    All other conferences, take note! It is that easy. #GoogleNext18 pic.twitter.com/6DSUgyzGqH

    — Nicole Henderson (@NicoleHenderson) July 24, 2018

    http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=58759

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  152. Cill says:

    IMO the manosphere is at its best when it focuses on the nature of the muff mafia and why men should avoid getting tangled with women, and how.

    There are a lot of vulnerable chumps out there. I know some blokes have the attitude “any woman is better than no woman.” One I know has a high iq, which doesn’t mean he is capable of learning. Shoot-and-miss dumclucks never get lucky. They are the bottom of the barrel and there’s not much good luck down there. Serial stupidity negates good fortune.

    It’s over, boys. The MMP is terminally tupped.

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  153. Cill says:

    This morning I’m going to be prepping and painting an old biddy’s bungalo, not for money but because I like her and her life as a lonely widow is a bit of a struggle.

    This arvo I’m rebuilding my tractor, and I’ll prolly sing bawdy songs with no-one to hear but Dog and Horse and a bunch of dumb beasts. Grease and exhaust deposits on the hands, shafts to crank and wrenches to yank and wenches be damned for a day.

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  154. Cill says:

    “there is a decent 7, who says she’s up for a twirl once the divorce is finalized”. Go for it! … but don’t get hooked.

    Don’t let her hooks into you, mate. I’m tired of seeing good men repeat their mistakes.

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  155. earl says:

    ‘there is a decent 7, who says she’s up for a twirl once the divorce is finalized.’

    I’d second Cill here…it’s a trap and you don’t need to fall into the snare again.

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  156. Farm Boy says:

    Not surprisingly, a biohazard team had to be called in to help with Portland’s Occupy Ice clean-up:

    https://pjmedia.com/blog/liveblogevent/live-blog-41/entry-235812/

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  157. Links to bawdy song lyrics please.

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  158. Fnu Mnu Lnu says:

    no worries, bro. i am never going to have anything real in the future. thought i had btdt once. never again.

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  159. Fnu Mnu Lnu says:

    i’m too damaged to even consider that ever again.

    but that won’t stop me from having a hit-and-run every now and then! 😀

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  160. earl says:

    Well if it’s a divorced women there’s two options….NO or you better learn to effectively run after the hit. They are searching for the next victim to replace the husband they put into the grinder and they’ll go a little nutty if they give their body to you and you give them nothing in return.

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  161. Cill says:

    [WARNING! NOT FOR THE TENDER-EARED]

    “Links to bawdy song lyrics please.”

    I’ll give it to you off the cuff, bro.

    THE RAJAH OF ASTRAKHAN

    (ahem)

    The-e-e-e-re once was a rajah of Astrakhan, Yo Ho, Yo Ho!
    A bit of a bugger a hell of a man, Yo Ho, Yo Ho!
    Of wives he had a hundred and nine
    And many a beautiful concubine,
    Yo Ho ya buggars, Yo Ho ya buggars, Yo Ho, Yo Ho, Yo Ho!

    He woke one night with a hell of a stand, Yo Ho, Yo Ho!
    And summoned the chief of his warrior band, Yo Ho, Yo Ho!
    You bastard you buggar you son of a swine,
    Bring me my favorite concubine!
    Yo Ho ya buggars, Yo Ho ya buggars, Yo Ho, Yo Ho, Yo Ho!

    Now the maiden she was young and fair, Yo Ho! Yo Ho!
    With juicy tits and shining hair, Yo Ho! Yo Ho!
    And then that rajah with a helluva grunt
    Shoved his koozer clean up her —-!
    Yo Ho ya buggars, Yo Ho ya buggars, Yo Ho, Yo Ho, Yo Ho!

    Now the rajah he was long and thick, Yo Ho! Yo Ho!
    And soon that maiden was breathing quick, Yo Ho! Yo Ho!
    And as the fuck almost reached its head
    The two silly buggars fell out of bed
    Yo Ho ya buggars, Yo Ho ya buggars, Yo Ho, Yo Ho, Yo Ho!

    They hit the floor with a helluva smack, Yo Ho, Yo Ho!
    Completely shattered that maiden’s crack, Yo Ho, Yo Ho!
    And as for the rajah’s magnificent cock
    It’s never recovered the shattering shock
    Yo Ho ya buggars, Yo Ho ya buggars, Yo Ho, Yo Ho, Yo Ho!

    [shhhh]
    And now of a night as he goes to bed, Yo Ho… Yo Ho…
    It can hardly raise its handsome head, Yo Ho… Yo Ho…


    IT’S BUGGERED IT’S BATTERED IT’S BENT IN THE MIDDLE
    THE POOR FUCKIN THING CAN ONLY JUST PIDDLE
    YO HO YA BUGGERS YO HO YA BUGGERS YO HO YO HO YO HO!

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  162. Reminds me of King Kong. Great story until the very sad ending.

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  163. Farm Boy says:

    New Swedish Informational Pamphlet Directed to Immigrants: “So, You’re Thinking About Fucking a Child”

    http://ace.mu.nu/archives/376268.php

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  164. Fnu Mnu Lnu says:

    hence

    “hit-and-run”

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  165. […] So far, the only people defending her are Christian men’s rights sites, like Dalrock and Spawny. Every other “Christian” blog or news site that I read disagreed with her article, and […]

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  166. Fnu Mnu Lnu says:

    Like trying to catch trout, in a koi pond.

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  167. Dawn says:

    It suggests that men prefer debt-free virgins with no tattoos when it comes to marriage. This should be obvious to people who rationally consider such things, but it apparently is not.

    To be fair, this is the type of man I’d want to wed, if I was the marrying kind. No debt is a desirable trait since I’m not trying to pay for someone else’s spending decisions. No tats shows he cares about how he looks and doesn’t feel the need to needlessly mark up his body. Same for piercings… I don’t have any at all, and wouldn’t find them attractive on a male I’m dating. Virginity isn’t as important, but I would want him to have a N the same as or lower than mine because I’m not looking for a player.

    @Cill

    Ha! Love the song.

    @Farm Boy

    At times there’s going to be crying, no matter what you do. At times, your girlfriend / lover / wife is going to become angry at you even though you’ve done nothing wrong. Wise men learn that there are times to ignore things women say rather than get in a fight because ten minutes later, their mood will improve.

    Aren’t these kinds of mood swings indicative of bipolar disorder or hormonal issues that should be brought up to one’s doctor? It doesn’t sound healthy for men to just shrug such behaviors off, or worse, accept them as normal.

    @Larry

    I know for a fact that my wife was a virgin on our wedding night, and that is all that matters.

    How did you know for sure? I know some men say they have ways of knowing without a doubt, but haven’t heard them actually say what those signs are.

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