As a kid and also into my blue pill younger days, I vowed never to kneel when asking a chick to marry me.  It just seemed so degrading.  The whole kneeling thing struck me as begging, and even as I kid I knew that a man should never beg a woman.  Combined with the fact that marriage was the bigger benefit to her made the whole concept seem ludicrous.

As I got older, wedding became more and more over the top.  Everything had to be expensive, everything had to be perfect.  The groom was just a small fashion accessory lost in the sea of extravagance.  But then, if he started the whole chain of events by kneeling, then he only has himself to blame.  Once frame is lost, it is difficult to regain.

Women probably like to say that kneeling is all so romantic.  I am not buying it.  It is about giggling that a man put himself in such a position.  It is about showing him who is  boss.  If I could figure this out at time when I couldn’t figure much of this out, then there really must be something there.

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70 comments on “Kneel
  1. Fnu Mnu Lnu says:

    Kneeling is for suckers.

    those that spit and those that swallow…


  2. Mega says:

    Actually this has been on my mind. Getting on a knee ???

    WHY THE FUCK SHOULD A GUY BUY A GIRL A RING ??? A payoff to society and the De Beers mafia ? And what to do when you want to tell a girl … you ain’t gettin no ring. And even if I did it for my own protection (other guys see the ring and know she’s married) do any guys even care about a ring anymore. No blue ping, mangina, dickless, low-t, faggot is going to be hitting on her anyway. And a Red Pill, Alpha ain’t gonna care about a ring anyway.

    So why ? Anyone got a reason why a man ought to buy a woman a ring ?


  3. Farm Boy says:

    Did men of times past kneel when proposing?


  4. earl says:

    I’m glad you brought this up too…I’ve often thought about why should a man kneel when proposing? It’s like he’s already submitting to her.


  5. earl says:

    [Think that know whether he proposed before he would I would]


  6. RichardP says:

    @Mega: Anyone got a reason why a man ought to buy a woman a ring ?

    Search Wikipedia on “Wedding Ring”. They have a good overview. Seems the custom goes all the way back to ancient Egypt.

    Under the heading of men and women think differently.
    I proposed. Didn’t kneel. It was during an informal conversation about obligations that both of us had in the near-term future. It just made sense to bite the bullet and formally acknowledge that we would get married, so that we could schedule around that. She agreed. The assumption that we would end up married had existed between us for some time, but had not ever been formally acknowledged until that time.

    Had the wedding rehearsal. Then the wedding. She had thought about it to the point that she just assumed it was a given. So – no need to bring it up at the rehearsal. I had never thought about it at all, and so it didn’t occur to me to think about it at the rehearsal. (Jewelry and watches bother me so I’ve never worn them to be familiar with what normally goes where.) But, during prime time, the time came for me to take the wedding ring from my best man and place it on her finger. And it immediately became obvious that both of us had overlooked something. Umm … which hand? Which finger? She knew me well enough to interpret the look on my face and proferred the correct hand and finger (actually, I think I had taken hold of the wrong hand and she shook me off and offered the othe one). Then it was her turn to place the ring on my finger. Umm … which hand? Which finger? She just grabbed the correct hand and slid the ring on.


  7. mgtowhorseman says:

    I never actually asked her to marry me. Ever.

    We were watching tv one day in March and I said “so a June wedding or July?”
    She said “The fall, September or October, I am getting a coffee, ya want one?”

    It was just matter of fact.
    Started planning it together as we paid for all of it.
    Community hall, buddy as bartender, another as dj.
    Grand total of maybe 5k back in late 80s.


  8. Stephanie says:

    Apparently the kneeling thing dates back to knights and chivalry.


  9. mgtowhorseman says:

    We bought our rings as a matched set about two months before the wedding.
    Never “gave her a ring”
    She wears her grandmothers engagement ring as family history but I never gave it to her


  10. Stephanie says:

    From here –

    “People don’t really get down on one knee for much these days, unless they’re tying their shoelaces. So why do we do it when we’re proposing marriage? It’s a tradition that dates back to the days of knighthood, chivalry and formal courtship (i.e. medieval times and beyond). Knights would get down on one knee in front of their lord as a display of respect, obedience, and loyalty. It was also a common occurrence in religious ceremonies, and in those days marriage and religion were intrinsically linked. So when a courteous gentlemen was proposing to his lady, pledging his allegiance to her and declaring his undying love for her, getting down on one knee was the natural thing to do.”


  11. Farm Boy says:

    It is commonly believed that the first examples of wedding rings were found in ancient Egypt. Relics dating to 6,000 years ago, including papyrus scrolls, are evidence of the exchange of braided rings of hemp or reeds between spouses. Ancient Egypt considered the circle to be a symbol of eternity, and the ring served to signify the perpetual love of the spouses. This was also the origin of the custom of wearing the wedding ring on the ring finger of the left hand, because the ancient Egyptians believed that this finger enclosed a special vein that was connected directly to the heart,[3] denominated in Latin the “Vena amoris”.

    The Western traditions of wedding rings can be traced to ancient Rome and Greece, and were first associated with the marital dowry and later with a promise of fidelity. The modern exchange of rings derived from the customs of Europe in the Middle Ages as part of Christendom.[4] In the United States, wedding rings were initially only worn by wives, but became customary for both husbands and wives during the 20th century.[5]


  12. earl says:

    ‘Knights would get down on one knee in front of their lord as a display of respect, obedience, and loyalty.’

    In that case when a man proposes marriage…the woman should get down on her knee.

    Liked by 1 person

  13. Mega says:

    “It’s a tradition that dates back to the days of knighthood, chivalry and formal courtship”

    ok, got it. Knighthood hasn’t existed for centuries. Feminism killed chivalry. Riding the carousel killed courtship. So no getting on a knee. And no ring. GOT IT.

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  14. Fnu Mnu Lnu says:

    I think that Queen Elizabeth II would disagree with you. She’s Knighted a person or two this century

    Liked by 1 person

  15. SFC Ton says:

    LOL I didn’t ask my ex wife to marry me. I told her we were getting married.

    Didn’t help the end results any


  16. SFC Ton says:

    As for buying rings…… I’ve bought the girls much jewelry. They rarely wear it but I get off going to formal events with them and them wearing high end dresses and baubles. Plus it’s another way to transfer wealth without the tax man knowing shit


  17. mgtowhorseman says:

    Margaret is in fine form today.

    Spears the Justin’s “negative interaction”, metoo, and Liberal hypocracy in one shot!

    “But the real story here is not the details of an alleged ancient indiscretion at a beerfest. It’s about what happens when it appears you apply a set of standards to other people that you yourself can’t meet, after declaring that you are holier than everybody else. It’s about perceived hypocrisy. And that’s a story that’s eminently worth telling.”


  18. Cill says:

    Men kneel. Women instigate the divorce.

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  19. Farm Boy says:

    Only an idiot would say “negative interaction”.


  20. Farm Boy says:

    I might wager that Trump would never say “negative interaction”


  21. Farm Boy says:

    In other news,

    An Iranian general has accused Israel of stealing its clouds in order to manipulate weather and cause drought in the Islamic Republic.


  22. Farm Boy says:



  23. Farm Boy says:

    “Why is American great? I’d say it’s because America is the world’s safety valve. So if your country’s a sh*thole or turning into a sh*thole, you can always get on a boat and come here. That’s the way it’s been for over 150 years. If you’re tired of living under stultified European monarchies, come to where kings and dukes get laughed at. Or if your country is ravaged by famine (Ireland), come to where there’s plenty of food and freedom to grow it without the king’s soldiers showing up to take most of it away. And these features of American are precious things that we need to hold onto, because there are many nowadays who would erase them, who would bring back the European models are ancestors came here to get away from, all the while piously proclaiming they’re doing it in the name of ‘fairness’ and ‘equality’. But if that’s what they want, they need to go back to where it is, not f* it up here for everyone else. Because what mean by ‘equality’ want is ‘equality of outcome’. Of course, you’re never going to get that because the talents and abilities of individuals are not evenly distributed. And trying to force outcomes takes a lot of force and the outcomes will be meager. Look at Venezuela’s descent into madness. That country is sitting on a metric f*ck-ton of oil, yet now her citizens are breaking into zoos to butcher the animals for food. It sounds like a chapter out of an Ayn Rand novel. That’s the end result of ‘fairness’ and ‘equality’. Everyone starving together.”


  24. Farm Boy says:

    Grade A stupid,

    [Looks like a “Bond Villain” she does]

    Madeleine Albright: U.S. Needs Open Borders So It Can Demand Same from Europe


  25. earl says:

    ‘Men kneel. Women instigate the divorce.’

    Seems like whether men submit or control…wimminz are still instigating divorce.

    In the last week, I’ve talked to two divorcers…both said their husbands were the ‘Alpha Chad’ types. I know they were Alpha Chad types because there was nothing about their actions that said ‘Steady Eddie the Wimminz Worshiper’.

    Perhaps it’s not so much the heart of the man, but the heart of the woman.

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  26. Farm Boy says:

    In a Pennsylvania school district, after roughly 2,800 students were forced to watch LGBT videos during LGBT “Unity Week” in April, parents and conservative activists asked the district to provide links to the videos so they could see what their children had watched.

    The answer they got: no.


  27. Cheque d'Out says:

    Happy Fourth of July

    [Always wondered if the British had the 4th of July I did]

    Liked by 2 people

  28. earl says:

    America is so oppressive that’s why all those people from freedom loving socialist and sharia paradises are dying to get in.


  29. earl says:

    Funny the first descriptor she used here….

    [Sometimes lucky you are.
    Count on it you can not]


  30. earl says:


  31. earl says:

    I’m a 6’4″ God fearing man…I’ve met plenty of women with picky and unrealistic expectations. It’s not my height or what I believe…it’s what’s in her heart.


  32. earl says:

    ‘Sometimes lucky you are.
    Count on it you can not’

    I’m curious what she was picky and unrealistic about. Was it the dearth of God fearing men perhaps…there seems to be at least a modest amount of those guys out there.

    Why was height brought up?

    [Apparently like height she does.
    Rules me out this would ]


  33. Farm Boy says:

    I’m 6’2”. I have/had other good attributes also. But I was not a tingle generator in my blue pill days.

    Tingles are what modern women want, much to their (and everybody else’s) detriment

    Liked by 1 person

  34. Farm Boy says:

    It seems that no matter how far to the Left actress Scarlett Johansson goes, she can’t stop ruffling a few SJW feathers.

    “Directed by Rupert Sanders, the film is based on the life of Dante ‘Tex’ Gill (to be played by Johansson), who ran an empire of massage parlors in Pittsburgh’s underground sex industry in the 1970s,” reports HuffPo. “While Gill’s gender identity has been described differently in various publications, most believe the crime boss identified as transgender.”

    SJWs feel that the cisgendered Johansson being in the role steals from other qualified transgender actors.

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  35. SFC Ton says:

    The freedom loving people of the South did try to leave the oppression of America. Yankees armed negroes and waged war on women and kids to prevent freedom

    Fuck the 4th of July and all the stupid lies so called freedom loving people think


  36. Farm Boy says:

    In the countryside of the North Southerners can find kindred souls


  37. SFC Ton says:

    Fuck no snake. It was those country side yankees that killed, burned, raped etc etc all so the city yankees could have their tariff money

    Not to mention how the country side yankee supported all the other acts of aggression against Southern Whites since then. Reconstruction, voting rights act, civil rights act, forced bussing, shutting down coal, shutting down tobacco etc etc

    There is no factual historical grounds to trust any version of yankee.


  38. Farm Boy says:

    Women hold nearly two-thirds of all student debt in the US, according to a report from the American Association of University Women, a group that advocates for equity and education for women and girls.

    Part of the reason is that more women go to college. They represented 56% of students enrolled in the fall of 2016.
    But that doesn’t explain the whole gender gap.

    More women take out loans, and when they do, they borrow more money. The average woman owes $2,740 more than a man upon finishing a bachelor’s degree, the report said.

    Women are also repaying their debt more slowly, which can mean they’re paying more in interest over time.

    Do women borrow more because they expect the future husband, or the government to pay it off? Fellas probaly boorow less because they believe that they are on the hook to pay it off.

    Do women have more trouble paying it off because they are more likely obtain degrees in useless areas?


  39. Cill says:

    The reason women borrow more was announced loud and clear in the Loreal advertisement:
    “Because yer worth it.”

    Liked by 1 person

  40. mgtowhorseman says:

    Fb re student debt.

    “We lent you money, we want it back. Period.”

    Dumb fucks.

    P.s. If you weasel out of this debt other lenders will know for the Rest Of Your Life.
    So you gonna pay cash for that car, house, etc.?

    Liked by 2 people

  41. earl says:

    ‘Do women borrow more because they expect the future husband, or the government to pay it off? Fellas probaly boorow less because they believe that they are on the hook to pay it off.

    Do women have more trouble paying it off because they are more likely obtain degrees in useless areas?’


    You either have to find one who payed off the debt or never got into debt…or last resort her daddy payed it off for her.


  42. “Madeleine Albright: U.S. Needs Open Borders So It Can Demand Same from Europe”

    Pffffftttt! MAGA.

    Liked by 2 people

  43. Blew up bunches of stuff. Girls loved it. A good day of togetherness and future memories. 🙂 🎇🎆🎇

    Liked by 2 people

  44. Fnu Mnu Lnu says:

    It doesn’t matter, though. I know someone who has had several civil judgements against them, filed bankruptcy twice in 10 years, and still got approved for a mortgage. How’d that happen? Female and not held to the same standard.

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  45. SFC Ton says:

    Cant tell you how many broke college chicks i meet who had a better standard of living then i did as a senior NCO. Nicer car, nicer place, went out more often etc etc soooooo I reckon women borrow more because they are less willing to struggle while going to college. They want to go out, they want their own place, they want those cute shoes, they habe to go to the bigger, better brand name college etc etc and student loans are how they go about It.

    Which ain’t saying Earl was wrong up above, but that’s only part of the equation

    I also think they probably change majors more often and take 5 years to do a 4 year degree but can’t really quantify it

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  46. Farm Boy says:

    LONDON — When Umaima met her future husband 13 years ago, he was a car mechanic. Today, he is an Islamic State terrorist.

    With ISIS driven from much of the territory it once controlled in Iraq and Syria, Umaima has joined a growing number of the militants’ wives who are filing for divorce.


  47. Farm Boy says:

    Independence Day might not be a time for strong patriotism among the college-educated anymore. A new survey found that college graduates feel less pride about being Americans, which reflects an overall downward trend.


  48. Farm Boy says:

    COPENHAGEN — When Rokhaia Naassan gives birth in the coming days, she and her baby boy will enter a new category in the eyes of Danish law. Because she lives in a low-income immigrant neighborhood described by the government as a “ghetto,” Rokhaia will be what the Danish newspapers call a “ghetto parent” and he will be a “ghetto child.”
    Starting at the age of 1, “ghetto children” must be separated from their families for at least 25 hours a week, not including nap time, for mandatory instruction in “Danish values,” including the traditions of Christmas and Easter, and Danish language. Noncompliance could result in a stoppage of welfare payments. Other Danish citizens are free to choose whether to enroll children in preschool up to the age of six.

    Denmark’s government is introducing a new set of laws to regulate life in 25 low-income and heavily Muslim enclaves, saying that if families there do not willingly merge into the country’s mainstream, they should be compelled.

    Liked by 1 person

  49. Farm Boy says:

    An NBC Bay Area investigation from February “reveals a dangerous concoction of drug needles, garbage, and feces lining the streets of downtown San Francisco. The Investigative Unit surveyed more than 150 blocks, including some of the city’s top tourist destinations, and discovered conditions that are now being compared to some of the worst slums in the world.” In some cases, the situation may be worse than in the Third World because in those countries the filth and needles tend to be confined to certain neighborhoods, whereas in San Francisco the problem is everywhere.


  50. Farm Boy says:

    Amid intense backlash from outraged critics and activists that left producers “shaken,” a musical directed by an acclaimed French-Canadian gay director was shut down on Wednesday despite having sold thousands of tickets and having over a dozen performances still scheduled. The source of the outrage: The director had cast white women to play many of the black slaves.


  51. As for proposals, kneeling, rings… I see all that mostly as tradition. If my guy felt like this I would understand, I certainly wouldn’t want him to do something he felt was demeaning.

    I have seen women size each other up by the size of their diamond, like it’s a competition. So silly. Especially since according to a diamond expert/Trader I know said, they actually aren’t that rare. It’s all hype. And unlike metals like gold or silver or platinum, they do not have any “resale value” in the open market. Many of the gals into the big rocks trade up their stone over the years. But again the whole diamond thing seems overrated imho.

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  52. Love says:

    I’ve noticed American men always wear their wedding rings. It seems like a status symbol of a professional responsible man (at least in the work setting). I rarely see men from other countries do the same. Even European men do not wear it that often. Rings seem to be a big deal in American culture.


  53. Cheque d'Out says:

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  54. Cheque d'Out says:

    True, hardly ever wore my ring. Hate jewellery. Rarely wear a watch these days.

    Liked by 3 people

  55. earl says:

    Most guys don’t/didn’t wear rings because they worked in particular jobs where having a hunk of metal on your hand could be grounds of getting it ripped off from working on machinery.

    Liked by 3 people

  56. earl says:

    ‘I have seen women size each other up by the size of their diamond, like it’s a competition.’

    While I know the average western woman probably won’t…they should be greatful they even get a ring in this day and age. With marriage rates plummeting largely of their own attitude and wine and cat food stocks rising…there chances are decreasing.


  57. Farm Boy says:

    In modern Christian theology, the wife’s vagina is God’s messenger. If a woman isn’t sexually attracted to her husband it is a sign of God’s displeasure in her husband.

    Sheila Gregoire has adopted the same modern Christian teaching, and brings in Gary Thomas* to urge wives to listen to the voice of God that resides between their legs.


  58. Farm Boy says:

    Science — not just boring physics equations. Apparently, science can also be used to determine some pretty wacky stuff, like which country’s women have the largest breasts in the world. According to a new study published in the Journal of Female Health Sciences, American women have the biggest busts.


  59. Farm Boy says:

    In America, White Women Can Get Away With Almost Anything


  60. Cill says:

    “In modern Christian theology, the wife’s vagina is God’s messenger.”

    Really? I’ve heard weird things said about christianity but not that one. You’re kidding me.


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