Holding Yourself Hostage


Women are built to try to extract resources from others.  One approach is to create a situation where a man or an institution (e.g. Government, charity) need to come to the rescue.  One way to do this in the modern world is to gain sympathy by looking like you are trying; usually by not trying particularly hard and furthermore by finding a way to embellish your predicament.  In effect, these women are holding themselves hostage.  That is, they are creating harm and discomfort for themselves (and often children) until such time as they are saved.

 

In the modern era of Strong Independent Women (SIW), this approach should not be allowed.  Feminists should be appalled, as it undermines their view.  Though Feminists don’t seem to be appalled.  I wonder what is going on.  After all, the Feminist view is the prevailing view, so why are not all women forced to be SIWs?

Of course, if a man tried to hold himself hostage, he would be laughed out of town.  That apparently has not changed during the past fifty years.  This is probably just as well.  Men need to retain their skills with respect to independence.

It seems that once women get into this habit, they find it difficult to break.  Dependency on others often is.  Perhaps women should decide if they are SIWs or not, announce it to the world and then act accordingly.

 

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124 comments on “Holding Yourself Hostage
  1. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Farm Boy,
    In bringing up charities, you reminded me that a lot of support for these women is provided by them. I have to wonder if they are getting tired of seeing the same faces with the same issues. Will they run out of patience?

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  2. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Since you linked a clip from Blazing Saddles,

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  3. Yoda says:

    Choose poorly many women have.
    Not always face the consequences they do
    Men have this luxury not

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  4. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Enjoy watching pie fight in Blazing Saddles I do.
    Clean up afterwards I do not.

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  5. Yoda says:

    Like an anti-Semite muttering about “Zionists,” the feminist who sees herself (and all women) oppressed by “patriarchy” has abandoned facts and logic for the sake of a simplistic theory that offers her a demonized scapegoat as an all-purpose explanation for her problems. The essential message of American feminism can be expressed as a syllogism:

    Men are evil;
    Abortion is good;
    and therefore
    Vote Democrat!

    http://theothermccain.com/2017/10/15/harvey-weinstein-is-the-patriarchy-and-other-feminist-non-sequiturs/

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  6. Ame says:

    women were created from man, for man, and placed under man and given a desire for her husband and for him to rule over her:

    Genesis 2:18 The Lord God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him.” … “But for Adam no suitable helper was found. 21 So the Lord God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man’s ribs[g] and then closed up the place with flesh. 22 Then the Lord God made a woman from the rib[h] he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man. The man said, This is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh; she shall be called ‘woman,’ for she was taken out of man.” … Genesis 3:16 To the woman he said,“I will make your pains in childbearing very severe; with painful labor you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you.”

    this is hardwired into women. but they don’t like it. so they try to usurp their design. and they’re failing. miserably. and bringing all sorts of sordid and yucky consequences down upon themselves and other women. and causing them to act in distorted and unbecoming ways … such as setting themselves up to be rescued.

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  7. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Yoda,
    Lauren Duca is something else. She is no end of help to our cause, she is that inept as a feminist.

    Ame,
    I wish God would leave instructions on how to turn this around.

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  8. Ame says:

    Ame,
    I wish God would leave instructions on how to turn this around.

    He has, Fuzzie, but people don’t want it. the Bible is the original RP guide. the words of the Bible will never die and never disappear; they will live forever. so they will always be available for those with eyes to see and ears to hear. the Bible also accurately predicts that narrow is the way of Life and few follow it, and wide is the way to destruction and many follow it.

    have you ever read the Bible? you can download many bible apps for free. if you’d rather, you can listen to audible versions for free, too: https://www.biblegateway.com/resources/audio/

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  9. RichardP says:

    “… One approach is to create a situation where a man or an institution (e.g. Government, charity) need to come to the rescue.”

    Pity the one who ties herself to the railroad track and no one notices because they are taking care of their own business.

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  10. RichardP says:

    This is what I see: women are trying to effect change by bringing down powerful men. They are targeting men who do things they shouldn’t with the women who willingly come to their bedrooms. In women’s efforts to protect other women, these men are targeted – because women know they will have no success in convincing women that they can protect themselves by just not going to the bedroom.

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  11. SFC Ton says:

    the Bible is the original RP guide. the words of the Bible will never die and never disappear; they will live forever.
    ………

    Legit. However when dealing with women a man is always involved in a game of Prisoners Dilemma….. if both parties cheat no one prospers. If both parties cooperate both parties propsper and if on party cooperates and one party cheats, the cheater prospers.

    Women always cheat on the margins in the prisoners dilemma game called marraige/ relationship so a man must always hold frame, must always rule over women like he would his unruly children and for whatever reason, men don’t seem to pick that up from reading the Bible

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  12. Ame says:

    However when dealing with women a man is always involved in a game of Prisoners Dilemma….. if both parties cheat no one prospers. If both parties cooperate both parties propsper and if on party cooperates and one party cheats, the cheater prospers.

    Women always cheat on the margins in the prisoners dilemma game called marraige/ relationship so a man must always hold frame, must always rule over women like he would his unruly children and for whatever reason, men don’t seem to pick that up from reading the Bible

    legit 😉

    Proverbs is a great book to digest. do you have any other suggestions, especially for men?

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  13. Spawny Get says:

    It’s that time again. Corbyn and MaoDonnell are the two commies at the top of the Labour Party bowel movement

    Jeremy Corbyn called John McDonnell into his office one day and said, “John, I have a great idea! We’re going to go all out to win back Middle England.”

    “Good idea Jeremy, how will we go about it?” said McDonnell.

    “Well,” said Corbyn “we’ll get ourselves two of those long Barbour coats, some proper Hunter wellies, a stick and a flat cap, oh, and a Labrador. Then we’ll really look the part. We’ll go to a nice old country pub, in Much Something and we’ll show we really enjoy the countryside and Middle England.”

    “Right Comrade,” said McDonnell.

    So a few days later, all kitted out and with the requisite Labrador at heel, they set off.

    Eventually they arrived in a quiet little village and found a lovely country pub and, with the dog, went in and up to the bar.

    “Good evening, Landlord. Two pints of your best ale, from the wood please,” said Corbyn.

    “Good evening, Jeremy,” said the landlord. “Two pints of best it is, coming up.”

    Corbyn & McDonnell stood leaning on the bar contemplating taking over the country, nodding now and again to those who came in for a drink, whilst the dog lay quietly at their feet.

    Suddenly the door from the adjacent bar opened and in came a grizzled old shepherd complete with crook. He walked up to the Labrador, lifted its tail with his crook, looked underneath, shrugged his shoulders and walked back to the other bar.

    A few moments later, in came a wizened farmer who followed the same procedure to the bewilderment of Corbyn and McDonnell. People of all ages and gender followed suit over the next hour.

    Eventually, unable to stand it any longer, McDonnell called the landlord over.

    “Tell me,” said McDonnell, “Why did all those people come in and look under the dog’s tail like that? Is it an old country custom?”

    “Good Lord no,” said the landlord. “It’s just that someone has told them that in this bar there was a Labrador with two arseholes.”

    Crap joke time.

    YAY

    Obviously

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  14. Spawny Get says:

    Yesterday’s weather was lovely. Today we have orange skies due to sand from the Sahara Desert and Portugese brush fir ash being sucked up by Ophelia
    [video src="http://www.yr.no/satellitt/data/europe.mp4" /]

    Ireland catching some high winds (not by US standards) right now.

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  15. Spawny Get says:

    “the Bible is the original RP guide. the words of the Bible will never die and never disappear; they will live forever.”

    I have top say that in my limited experience, you are very correct there. Very deep insight into human nature.

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  16. Spawny Get says:

    Watch it, you’ll love it.

    She’s still alive

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  17. Yoda says:

    The sign said “stop” it did
    So stop she did

    Folows directions well she does

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  18. Yoda says:

    There’s something wrong with Hillary Clinton. It is not just her constant lying. It is not just that she throws off menacing glares and seethes thwarted entitlement. Watch closely. Something much darker rides along with it. A cold creepiness rarely seen

    — Julian Assange (@JulianAssange) October 15, 2017

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/10/julian-assange-theres-something-wrong-hillary-cold-creepiness-rarely-seen/

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  19. Spawny Get says:


    The sand being taken up from the desert

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  20. In the modern era of Strong Independent Women (SIW), this approach should not be allowed. Feminists should be appalled, as it undermines their view. Though Feminists don’t seem to be appalled. I wonder what is going on. After all, the Feminist view is the prevailing view, so why are not all women forced to be SIWs?

    Feminism isn’t about making all women SIWs; its about removing all restrictions from women so they can do ANYTHING they want while also assuring them the resources to do so.

    Women now have choices. They can be married, not married, have a job, not have a job, be married with children, unmarried with children. Men have the same choice we’ve always had: work or prison.
    TIM ALLEN, attributed, The Mammoth Book of Comic Quotes

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  21. Spawny Get says:

    Mmm good point

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  22. The SIW dream team of Truduea’s that will save us all by womansplaining to Trump.

    Jesus

    https://beta.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/the-sisterhood-that-could-save-nafta/article36595567/

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  23. Stephanie says:

    LOL!!!!! Aw Spawny, my dad used to make us watch the BBC news – just so we could have a good laugh at how they made everything sound so much worse than things really were 😀 !!! Aww good memories.

    This is my favorite:

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  24. Stephanie says:

    Her reaction compared to the Texans reaction where someone comes up and just hands the reporter a case of beer… it’s just SO true. 😀

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  25. Stephanie says:

    LOL… !!!!

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  26. That’s neat.

    Hope there weren’t any female/or transmogrified developers involved so no one can be insulted by completely insensitive #Pretty remark. You sexist pig!

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  27. Spawny Get says:

    Have you watched Father Ted, now have you?

    A series set in Ireland commissioned by the British Channel 4, really funny, often dark, but family fun.

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  28. Spawny Get says:

    ‘family fun’ might be pushing it a bit.

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  29. Yoda says:

    “I was recently asked if Crooked Hillary Clinton is going to run in 2020? My answer was, “I hope so!,” tweeted President Trump.

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/10/ha-ha-potus-trump-dares-crooked-hillary-run-2020/

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  30. Yoda says:

    Law enforcement authorities – including senior Department of Homeland Security officials – and key people within the legal marijuana business quickly noticed that the areas hit hardest by the fires are the same places that California’s marijuana industry legally grows cannabis, and are now starting to suspect foul play.

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/10/officials-suspect-mexican-cartel-arsonists-behind-historic-fires-california-pot-farms-burn-ground/

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  31. Yoda says:

    Civil servants have been told not to use gendered pronouns like “he” and “she” in the latest government directives, so as to avoid causing offence to people who identify as transgender, it has been revealed.

    http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/10/15/government-told-ditch-gender-pronouns/

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  32. RichardP says:

    fuzzie – at the end of the “Distractions” thread I responded to your response to me about women putting men in the harness. I provide some context to my first post that you commented on.

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  33. RichardP says:

    @ Yoda, re the “Whichever” sign:

    I immediately thought of the heighth requirement signs in front of rides – must be higher than this to get on this ride.

    Perhaps a length requirment sign – must be longer than this (or shorter than this) to use this restroom. “Length” would only need to be some value slightly greater than zero.

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  34. Rose McGowan says she turned down $6 million to stay quiet about Harvey Weinstein.

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2017/10/16/rose-mcgowan-lisa-bloom-offered-millions-silence-weinstein/

    The night before the New York Times report came out. McGowan says she was offered a million dollars. “I then drove it to 6 million,” she writes. But after “warring with thoughts” of how the money would help her family, McGowan says she turned the offer down. “I will not be purchased. I will not be sold. Never again,” she writes.

    Yeah…..

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  35. Looks like they’re using the same data inputs? Still nice.

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  36. Stephanie says:

    lol Spawny, honestly, even the BBC was sometimes pushing it with “family fun.”

    So much **drama!**

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  37. Spawny Get says:

    Norn Irn.

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  38. Spawny Get says:

    *cough* I did retract the family fun bit *shuffles feet*

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  39. Farm Boy says:

    Ames, Iowa – Thirteen members of the Ames High School marching band walked off the field before playing the National Anthem Friday night.

    The school then praised the disrespectful students.

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/10/high-school-marching-band-walks-off-field-playing-anthem-school-praises/

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  40. Farm Boy says:

    I was running downstairs in heels with a cup of coffee and fell backwards!’ Hillary Clinton reveals tumble that left her with a broken toe as she appears on Graham Norton’s show hobbling on crutches and wearing protective boot

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4984972/Clinton-apologetic-missing-BBC-interview.html

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  41. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Stephanie,
    The Guarda doesn’t drive “Panda cars” anymore?
    What is the world coming to?

    RichardP,
    You may be on to something there. All of these women had the option of saying “no”. Another curious point, they are all past the “Wall” for Hollywood.

    Headhunter,
    I think that Rose McGowan just demonstrated a lack of credibility.

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  42. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    A new wrinkle about Rose McGowan.
    http://www.returnofkings.com/131987/why-did-rose-mcgowan-attack-harvey-weinstein-for-sexual-harassment-but-defend-a-pedophile-director

    I have to wonder if the industry will survive all this bad publicity? I sure as heck do not want to go to the theater and pay ten dollars to watch feminist propaganda.

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  43. Spawny Get says:

    Starts better than you might expect

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  44. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    OOPS!!!!

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  45. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Diana Davison on the Harvey Weinstein saga.

    I still have not heard about formal charges anywhere.

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  46. Ame says:

    The sand being taken up from the desert

    Spawny – does that happen often?! that’s … wild!

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  47. Ame says:

    Feminism isn’t about making all women SIWs; its about removing all restrictions from women so they can do ANYTHING they want while also assuring them the resources to do so.

    yes. same ol’ same ol’ … since the beginning of time. you’d think they’d (we’d) learn after however many thousands of years:

    Genesis 3:1 Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the Lord God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden’?”

    2 The woman said to the serpent, “We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, 3 but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’”

    4 “You will not certainly die,” the serpent said to the woman. 5 “For God knows that when you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”

    6 When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it. 7 Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves.

    – – –

    so Ton can blame women that hawt women no longer walk around naked! 😉

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  48. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Spawny Get,
    I read that. I can imagine Robert E. Lee and Douglas MacArthur muttering under their breath while a portly graduate of Sandhurst pours them both a generous whiskey.

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  49. Farm Boy says:

    Hollywood will survive. Things are a changing though

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  50. Ame says:

    the video did work – that is so wild! was it freaky to be in the middle of it?!

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  51. Ame says:

    “[The birds] appear to flee as the ex-hurricane approaches.”

    that was funnee to me – ‘ex-hurricane’ – LOL!

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  52. Farm Boy says:

    CNN contributor and former NFL receiver Donté Stallworth said Saturday the NFL kneeling protests are also about the “gender pay gap”

    https://hotair.com/archives/2017/10/16/great-news-nfl-protests-now-gender-pay-gap/

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  53. Farm Boy says:

    Rheeeeeeeeeee!!

    The former actor, and repeat criminal offender, Shia LaBeouf is back with the third placement of his controversial and asinine He Will Not Divide Us flag “art project.”

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/10/shias-latest-will-not-divide-flag-literally-needed-crane-try-keep-4channers-reach/

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  54. Farm Boy says:

    The NFL is facing an unprecedented backlash from fans over its support for kneeling during the National Anthem, and what does it do? It Decides to fund more social justice activism. According to ESPN, the NFL has agreed to fund a ‘social activism boot camp’ for pro athletes.

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/10/nfl-build-social-justice-warrior-factory-another-slap-face-fans-video/

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  55. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Ame,
    It has always been in women’s nature to want to rebel. What is different now is that it is fully supported.

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  56. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Farm Boy,
    Was that the “Bride of Chucky”?

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  57. Yoda says:

    Daughter of Webb it was

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  58. http://www.returnofkings.com/131675/england-is-dangerously-overpopulated-and-no-one-is-talking-about-it

    Thoughts about this?

    I met a rather silly Scottish girl last summer who was all about bringing more refugees to Scotland even after just telling us how bad the job situation was there.

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  59. Spawny Get says:

    Ame, it was a strange day. I looked out at a heavily overcast day. Ten minutes later it was blue sky with a couple of clouds. Rinse and repeat.

    Previous occurrences have had people find their cars with a dusting of sand from the Sahara.

    Atmospheric circulation gives the UK very changeable weather

    We’re on the edge of the mid-latitude cell and the arctic one (this division wanders about across us) which changes the weather.
    Also we can get the downdraft of the mid-latitude cell coming up from the North Atlantic (wet) or the Sahara (dry) that line moves around too.

    But this is better than my layman’s gamble
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmospheric_circulation

    Goodnight.

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  60. Spawny Get says:

    Kentucky, fucking big style. Housing, education, health, transport are all mysteriously overstretched. But no one wants talk about immigration. Our population density is ridiculous. Even the UN used to say we have a natural population of around 40million iirc. Now they love immigrants, they’ve shut up about overpopulation, obviously.

    https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/briefing-paper/356

    I’ll look at ROK tomorrow, that’s just off the top of my head.

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  61. Spawny Get says:

    illary publicly linked BREXIT to Trump’s win again. Love it when she does that.

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  62. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Yoda,
    I completely missed the reference. I am stuck on Jack Webb.

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  63. Yoda says:

    For the bear this is

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  64. I was running downstairs in heels with a cup of coffee and fell backwards!’ Hillary Clinton reveals

    I think we all know that Hillary; doesn’t run, doesn’t do stairs, doesn’t wear heels, and doesn’t drink coffee (Irish coffee without the coffee, maybe). But we do know that she does fall. A lot.

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  65. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Ame,
    Now, if they would only tell the EU to pound sand.

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  66. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Yoda,
    It took me a while. I had forgotten that Chelsea’s parentage was in doubt. I have to wonder who would want to get close enough to Hillary to father children?

    Headhunter,
    You left out the part about her telling “tall tales”. It still hasn’t come out that she as Parkinson’s as Mike Cernovitch proposed during the election. He may yet be found right.

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  67. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Of course the money is spent.
    http://freebeacon.com/culture/clinton-foundation-250000-harvey-weinstein/
    I realized why feminists are calling for the money Harvey Weinstein donated. They want to see it funneled to feminist causes.

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  68. Stephanie says:

    Ame, isn’t it interesting how this refugee crisis is literally bringing people to their knees and back to God?

    It’s been kind of fascinating for me to watch. I mean, I’ve now seen even Jews and Atheists publicly declare that Christianity is MUCH much better than Islam.

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  69. Spawny Get says:

    Stephanie, I am an atheist and I declare that Christianity is much better than any of the alternatives at building healthy societies that I’d like to live in.

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  70. Farm Boy says:

    Q: How is the Harvey Weinstein scandal like the fall of European communism?

    A: Communism was considered invincible. Then the fall of the Berlin Wall started a domino effect that brought down six Soviet satellites in quick succession, and soon after the Soviet Union itself. Though communism’s failures were widely understood, no one thought it vulnerable to street demonstrations. In East Berlin in 1953, Hungary in 1956, and Czechoslovakia in 1968, it had demonstrated a willingness to crush dissent brutally. Moreover, for decades on end, the members of communist-ruled societies had displayed a remarkable tolerance for tyranny and inefficiency. They remained docile and even outwardly supportive of the status quo.

    For all this submissiveness, it turned out that millions had been willing to revolt all along — if enough others would also revolt and they felt sufficiently sure of escaping punishment. But no one knew exactly what needed to happen to set off a successful uprising. In retrospect, all it took was a few thousand demonstrators calling for more freedom and a regime that signaled that it was afraid of overreacting. People standing on the sidelines suddenly found the courage to join in, and the East German revolt started feeding on itself.

    Before long, fear changed sides. People who had never criticized communism publicly were now afraid to be caught defending it. Genuine supporters of communism (they, too, numbered in the millions) joined the opposition. They took to pretending to have been falsifying their political preferences out of fear, like their compatriots who had genuinely felt oppressed.

    Harvey Weinstein’s fall from grace fits the same pattern. Few Hollywood executives have been as powerful as he. His movies have earned hundreds of Oscar nominations. He was both admired and feared as someone who could make or break a career. As a major fundraiser for Democratic Party candidates, he had national political clout. Though he was rumored to be predator of young women, Hollywood insiders and many observers knew that he dealt ruthlessly with anyone who crossed him. Reporters who investigated his behavior found almost no one willing to speak honestly or on the record. Many people who were hurt by Weinstein suffered, we now know, for their own silence. They wanted to go public with their stories all along.

    For his behavior to draw public criticism, it was not enough for Weinstein’s behavior to be widely known. Potential complainers needed to know that other victims and witnesses would back them up. They also needed to believe that Weinstein’s supporters or the press would not smear their reputations. It needed to be sufficiently likely that the early movers would be greeted with sympathy rather than condemnation.

    Once the press broke the story, people who had been afraid to speak lost their reticence. The outpouring of revelations gave more victims the courage to speak out. As in the case of communism, within days, silence was no longer an option. Weinstein’s friends in Hollywood and the Democratic Party found it necessary to express shock and outrage; defending him was out of the question. Actors and actresses whose careers he had launched and promoted rushed to condemn his behavior.

    Hollywood allegedly contains many other serial abusers of women who might want to defend him. But in the present climate, most will not dare. Just as one could hardly find a committed communist in Eastern Europe after the Iron Curtain fell, so today no one will admit that they themselves have enjoyed Hollywood’s sexually permissive culture, or that they hope it will survive Weinstein’s fall.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-10-17/why-weinstein-held-on-for-so-long-and-fell-so-fast

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  71. Farm Boy says:

    The Independent newspaper published an article by Weinstein telling readers how ‘Roman Polanski is a man who cares deeply about his art and its place in the world’. And the rape and sodomising of a 13-year-old? Weinstein dismissed it as ‘a so-called crime’.

    A host of directors and actors followed Weinstein, signing the petition for Polanski, including Natalie Portman, Tilda Swinton and Emma Thompson.

    Yes, Emma Thompson, who last week appeared on the BBC to add her voice to those denouncing Weinstein’s alleged sexual abuse. When Newsnight’s Emily Maitlis raised the Polanski petition with Thompson, she said she had signed ‘without really thinking about it . . . I had been absolutely bamboozled by my respect for his art’.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-4983560/Emma-DID-sign-petition-help-Polanski.html

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  72. Farm Boy says:

    First, here is Harvey himself, who early on in this on-going debacle said this:

    “I came of age in the 60’s and 70’s, when all the rules about behavior and workplaces were different. That was the culture then.”
    Stop the presses. Harvey has in fact put his finger on one serious cultural truth.

    Against all the advice of their parents that what was becoming known in the Baby Boomer generation as the “sexual revolution” would eventually lead to woe, Harvey’s generation — yes, my generation of millions of “Boomers” — not only ignored the advice but flaunted the breaking of centuries of cultural mores. Cultural ways that demanded respect for women, promoted sex within marriage and most certainly sex only with consent. Some of us listened (ahem!), others — many others — did not. In fact the number of those who did not listen to the wisdom of Mom and Dad, if not far outnumbering those who did listen to their seniors in what is now known as the Greatest Generation, at a minimum were egged on in the culture by, yes indeed, the self-same Hollywood that is now pretending to be aghast — horrified! — at Harvey’s conduct.

    https://spectator.org/harvey-weinstein-michael-moore-and-the-end-of-the-1960s-sexual-revolution/

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  73. Farm Boy says:

    Herr Kurz is called “the Austrian Trump,” and not, to celebrate his youth, “the Austrian JFK,” which illustrates just how far time has marched on. Two generations have been birthed in Europe that can barely recognize the late president by his mere initials.

    But the new Austrian chancellor, youthful as he is, represents just the kind of new blood that Kennedy brought to the fore in the new world. He has achieved something close to rock-star status. He took over a fading political party whose party colors were black and black, replaced them with turquoise, rebranded the party as “a movement,” promised to get tough on runaway immigration, go easy on new taxes but to stay in Europe and “put Austria first.”

    https://hotair.com/archives/2017/10/17/twilight-elites-european-union/

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  74. Ame says:

    Spawny,

    I am an atheist

    this is interesting to me. have you always been an atheist, or was it a process for you?

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  75. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    This is an excellent satire of the Harvey Weinstein story. After seeing the seri8es of photos that our Glorious Patriarch linked, his accusers richly deserve this.
    http://www.humblelibertarian.com/2017/10/rich-ceo-creeps-of-america-please.html

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  76. Farm Boy says:

    The other Weinstein

    A female showrunner who worked on the Weinstein Co. drama “The Mist” has accused Bob Weinstein of sexual harassment during the production of the Spike TV series.

    https://pjmedia.com/blog/liveblogevent/tuesdays-hot-mic-28/entry-215696/

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  77. SFC Ton says:

    You my Spawny friend are the very rare honest atheists around

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  78. Farm Boy says:

    It might be unkind of me, but my first thought – right after, “Really, I didn’t know Bill Clinton’s staff was that big” – was “No, you were not sexually harassed, because the penalties for that are straight-up horrendous unless you happen to be a big-time leftist. At worst you were inconvenienced by having a pass made at you by a guy you found unattractive.”

    https://pjmedia.com/trending/quick-victim-mobile/

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  79. Farm Boy says:

    Let’s be perfectly clear about one thing:

    Everybody-f**king-knew.

    Not that he was raping.

    No, that we never heard.

    But we were aware of a certain pattern of overly-aggressive behavior that was rather dreadful.

    We knew about the man’s hunger; his fervor; his appetite.

    There was nothing secret about this voracious rapacity; like a gluttonous ogre out of the Brothers Grimm.

    All couched in vague promises of potential movie roles.

    (and, it should be noted: there were many who actually succumbed to his bulky charms. Willingly. Which surely must have only impelled him to cast his fetid net even wider).

    But like I said: everybody-f**king-knew.

    And to me, if Harvey’s behavior is the most reprehensible thing one can imagine, a not-so-distant second is the current flood of sanctimonious denial and condemnation that now crashes upon these shores of rectitude in gloppy tides of bullshit righteousness.

    Because everybody-f**king-knew.

    And do you know how I am sure this is true?

    Because I was there.

    And I saw you.

    And I talked about it with you.

    You, the big producers; you, the big directors; you, the big agents; you, the big financiers.

    And you, the big rival studio chiefs; you, the big actors; you, the big actresses; you, the big models.

    You, the big journalists; you, the big screenwriters; you, the big rock stars; you, the big restaurateurs; you, the big politicians.

    https://hotair.com/archives/2017/10/17/hollywood-screenwriter-everybody-knew-harvey-weinsteins-appetite/

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  80. Stephanie says:

    “You my Spawny friend are the very rare honest atheists around”

    Atheists are pretty honest and down to earth, at least the ones I’ve met in our area. They’re also a lot less judgmental I’ve found.

    I actually dated an atheist in high school. He was brilliantly smart and nerdy and I adored him. But I ended it because of the faith thing, and my dad actually had to talk to him (in a kind way… my dad was super kind) to try to explain to him why a Christian can’t really date (to marry) an Atheist.

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  81. Farm Boy says:

    I have seen many militant atheists. They always have pained looks on their faces

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  82. Farm Boy says:

    “Then I think about a couple of consensual experiences with men hugely my superiors. The come-ons took me by surprise, and flattered me, and seemed real. Like, of course I deserve this attention! I’m great! Or at least pretty great, right? In none of these instances was I chasing a job, or an affair either. I was flattered by the unexpected attention of a powerful man I respected. I knew I could learn from them; I enjoyed spending time with them. Also, by the way, they were married, so it was safe, right? I confidently spent time alone with them, believing they were interested in my mind and my work. Who wouldn’t be?

    They weren’t. I would eventually learn that there was no actual relationship offer on the table, and no professional benefit either. And again I felt like: I am a fucking fool.”

    That sounds like she accepted a date and wanted a relationship (and even liked that the guy was an adulterer). Let’s not mush everything together! This #MeToo stuff could get really stupid. At least she announces I am a fucking fool. I know, she means back then. But she’s using the present tense.

    http://althouse.blogspot.com/2017/10/what-would-women-be-doing-if-we-werent.html

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  83. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Farm Boy,
    After reading all this about Harvey Weinstein, I don’t want Hollywood to see a nickel from me. Not to the producers or the casting couch bunnies.

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  84. Ame says:

    You my Spawny friend are the very rare honest atheists around

    it’s another reason why our Patriarch is so great! 🙂 🙂 🙂

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  85. SFC Ton says:

    http://www.vdare.com/posts/why-was-movie-business-less-sexist-back-in-the-griffith-pickford-era

    Note that this winestien guy is a skype and this sort of thing took off after skypes took control of hollywood

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  86. Spawny Get says:

    Ame, never believed, never felt the need to. Everybody used to just rub along here in the UK. Mostly because, I suppose, we shared a healthy-ish Christian culture. Not having had it rammed down my throat as a kid, I’m left quite relaxed about the beliefs of others. If nice people get good things from their religion? Good on them.

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  87. Spawny Get says:

    Ton, I think that the atmosphere when I grew up delivered the values, but didn’t force the belief bit. If it had demanded that…it wouldn’t have worked on me. I’d just be more opposed to the belief. I don’t have it, don’t feel the need. I see others can get good things from it though.

    I think that there are atheists that feel the need for a god but for some reason from their past, fight it. Others just don’t have the need (like me). Stefan Molyneux seems to be the first type. Though I’ve not heard the reasons that he stopped believing, I reckon that he’s on the road back to religion. We shall see. Good on him either way.

    By nature I’m a big sceptic and am usually very happy to be left alone. I’m not interested in joining the crowd. I like places like…like this place. Good people saying what they think without seeing disagreement as an act of aggression. Dalrock’s is another place that I like (when I get the time) though I seldom comment there.

    I guess that I get comfort from knowing that there are good people seeing the same idiocy as I do. And so it’s not just me surrounded by insane morons intent on destruction.

    Cheers

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  88. Ame says:

    Spawny – thank you 🙂

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  89. Spawny Get says:

    Speaking of militant atheists, Richard Dawkins has been mouthing off about BREXIT a lot recently. He’s a BREXIT Denialist, put bluntly. He had a stroke a few years back, I think that he didn’t make it through intact. Really rather sad. I lost someone close to me via a stroke. A horrible thing to destroy the person’s self but leave the shell behind.

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  90. Yoda says:

    The Glorious Patriarch up early he is

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  91. Spawny Get says:

    Going back to sleep imminently, if not sooner. 😉

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  92. SFC Ton says:

    In the usa atheists = extreme leftist which is probably why they are such shitty people

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  93. Spawny Get says:

    Ton,
    Stefan Molneux’s been pushing that atheism implies lefty. Maybe it’s generally true, especially in the States? IDK. I’m not the ‘joiner’ type, so I’ve never gone in search of a wider identity to which to conform. I’m more of a let’s have the smallest state possible believer. I think that that’s just common sense when you look at the state of our shitty politicians and civil servant types.

    I use MGTOW as a label because it’s pretty woolly (lacks a hard definition) and basically I want to give it a bit of a push so that other men notice it.

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  94. Stephanie says:

    Spawny I’ve met quite a few atheists like you at least here in Texas. I like them, they’re so much better (as friends) in my opinion than the rather psycho-self-righteous religious nutcases lol.

    Seriously, sometimes religious people, although I do believe they’re basically good, are wacko in their beliefs.

    I think even Ecclesiastes warns religious people not to become overly righteous, because they’ll die an early death I think it says.

    When you start seeing someone start arguing about their belief that sex using ANY kind of birth control or even Natural Family Planning, is “mutilating sex,” you kind of wonder if that’s really the hill they want to die on.

    Having babies late in life is extremely dangerous 😦 There’s a reason why the life expectancy for child-birthing women back in the old days was so bad. The people who are super-duper religious who believe things like “birth control or trying to avoid pregnancy is **mutilated sex**” are kind of harming themselves in a sad way.

    Anyway, I like how Agnostics and Atheists seem to be less crazy lol. Maybe it’s just me, but they’re way more relateable and fun to be around.

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  95. Spawny Get says:

    Stephanie, I probably interact with many a Christian in everyday life, probably. It’s just the subject doesn’t come up. Good people are good people, I think. Times are pretty soft right now, perhaps we’ll see things change, but I don’t think so.

    From what I’ve (casually) heard, what Jesus actually said and did sound pretty good. Obviously I’m ignoring miracles. And the bible appears to contain a very accurate study of human nature and our failings. I just don’t do supernatural.

    I kind of like the concept of karma (I just don’t believe that it exists). If you pretend though, I reckon that it guides one to a little better behaviour…what’s not to like?

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  96. By nature I’m a big skeptic and am usually very happy to be left alone. I’m not interested in joining the crowd. I like places like…like this place. Good people saying what they think without seeing disagreement as an act of aggression.

    Couldn’t agree more.

    I guess that I get comfort from knowing that there are good people seeing the same idiocy as I do. And so it’s not just me surrounded by insane morons intent on destruction.

    Amen. : )

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  97. Stephanie says:

    “Good people saying what they think without seeing disagreement as an act of aggression.”

    Yea, disagreement is one thing, but judging other people’s decisions to use birth control or natural family planning even – calling it “mutilating sex” – is divisive, and the extremely religious people don’t understand that arguing that with other believers is against Romans 14.

    There’s polite disagreement, and then there’s trying to be so ascetic that you alienate yourself from people on your side, by claiming your way is the only “right” way and that they’re doing it not only the way YOU wouldn’t prefer, but attacking the way they do things as evil or wrong. Very intersting to see it play out.

    I grew up around Christians like that and it was a little hard to take lol. One poor girl – her parents were like this, and they wouldn’t even allow her to have allergy medicine, her mom believed medicines were anti-Christian. So she had to live with chronic sinus infections 😦 It was soooo weird and just not what I think being “religious’ is supposed to be all about. The mom and girl also looked down on US because we used allergy medicine LOL.

    I mean wow!

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  98. Stephanie says:

    So given all that above…. that’s why I think Atheists are sometimes a lot easier to be around.

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  99. Spawny Get says:

    No militancy here (by which I mean me)

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  100. Although I am a believer, I stopped attending church bc I mostly couldn’t take the people anymore! How sad is that? But it’s true. I never could understand how so many could sit in the pew every week and completely miss the point!

    As for being a siw, I’d be the first to say that’s the path of folly even if on the surface I appear to be one. Much better (for women, not sure for men) to be two in a boat.

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  101. Also I hope I don’t hold myself hostage. I will have to ponder that. 🙂

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  102. Stephanie says:

    “I stopped attending church bc I mostly couldn’t take the people anymore! How sad is that? But it’s true. I never could understand how so many could sit in the pew every week and completely miss the point!”

    That’s sad Bloom. I totally understand though. I have a really hard time with Christians… my husband makes me go 😉 that and it’s good for our kids.

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  103. SFC Ton says:

    Can’t find the link but if memory serves 70 % of atheist in the usa self report voting left, being very progressive, support abortion, support pervert marriage and other trans gay bi etc rights,, more likely to favor open borders, vote for Obama are anti second amendment etc etc all

    Only other group as liberal as atheist in the usa are jews…. who often are atheist and use the jew tag as a tribal/ racial kin group maker vs a religion

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  104. Stephanie says:

    “Only other group as liberal as atheist in the usa are jews…. who often are atheist and use the jew tag as a tribal/ racial kin group maker vs a religion”

    Yep… I’ve seen that. Those weren’t the kind I was talking about, but I’m sure those are the majority.

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  105. RichardP says:

    Stephanie – re. the issue of birth control, natural or otherwise: (if you already know this, then nevermind)

    Catholic doctrine calls its flock to be “open to life”. Be open to the will of God for you life. Their thinking is that birth control, natural or otherwise, gets in the way of that – indicates that the practitioner is not really “open to life”, is trying to control their life rather than letting God’s will be primary.

    That reality may explain some of the attitudes you have encountered.

    There is lots of information when you Google on “open to life”, but here are a couple of links that discuss the topic. Since you already have a growing family, you may find these of some interest. Or not. These are from the perspective of parents.

    Cari Donaldson
    Greg Kandra

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  106. Ame says:

    re. the issue of birth control, natural or otherwise: (if you already know this, then nevermind)

    Catholic doctrine calls its flock to be “open to life”. Be open to the will of God for you life. Their thinking is that birth control, natural or otherwise, gets in the way of that – indicates that the practitioner is not really “open to life”, is trying to control their life rather than letting God’s will be primary.

    i’ve heard this from other pov’s (not just Catholic). and i have to wonder … if God wants us ‘open to life,’ then why did He create us with the ability to both avoid and pinpoint fertile times of the month. i’ve known women who were under this philosophy and had so many kids that they mentally were stretched beyond what they, personally, were able to deal with. i know other women who seem to be able to have endless numbers of children without it affecting them negatively at all. it seems cruel to impose such a philosophy on a woman … or a man … who is not able to handle lots of kids.

    personally, i don’t think i would have handled lots of kids well – mentally or physically. i would *like* to be one of those woman who can, but the reality is, i’m just not. i really only wanted one baby before i had any kids. it was when my Oldest was a toddling around that i was strongly impressed that she needed a sibling. my husband agreed, and therefore Youngest 🙂 . i have to admit that i’ve wondered if that was a sane decision sometimes over the years – not that i’d want to *not* have her, but simply that it was harder on me in various ways than i thought it would be (don’t want to get into too much tmi here 😉 ). my Oldest is actually the one who brings me the most peace about it stating the obvious fact that if she were an only child, she would have been a snotty spoiled brat b/c she wrapped both her Dad and me up tight 😉 … she says often that she is a much better person for having Youngest as her sister. but for me, personally, the idea of having more than two children is like a nightmare. Step Son is different b/c i’m not his Mom and have never tried to be. i’m more on the sidelines of his life.

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  107. RichardP says:

    This isn’t the place for an extended theological discussion, but I’ve always had a couple of questions about the concept of being open to life.

    1. Using birth control = trying to control your life rather than letting God’s will be primary. I’ve always been of the opinion that God is sovereign; he gets what he wants. God’s will is going to have it’s way. Using birth control cannot thwart what God wants. He has the resources to bring about whatever he wants in a person’s life. So the logic that using birth control = circumventing God’s will escapes me.

    2. What man sets out to build a structure without first figuring out the cost (Luke 14:28-29). From a logic standpoint about whether God is capable of having his way in your life, regardless – figuring out whether you can afford to build a structure seems to be no different than figuring out whether you can afford to have a child, or have another one. The Bible recommends figuring out whether you can afford to build a structure. I don’t think it is a stretch to apply that logic (which the Bible encourages) to figuring out whether you can afford to build a child.

    The cynical view would say that pushing the “open to life” theme is designed to increase the size of their flock, with the attending increase in tithing and paying for indulgences that this increase will bring.

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  108. Ame says:

    The cynical view would say that pushing the “open to life” theme is designed to increase the size of their flock, with the attending increase in tithing and paying for indulgences that this increase will bring.

    mo babies = mo money. those’d be some sick folk!

    – – – – –

    I’ve always been of the opinion that God is sovereign; he gets what he wants. God’s will is going to have it’s way.

    that opens a theological can of worms!

    we may very well be saying the same thing … but i’d be more likely to say (after living through so much yuck in my life) that God can take everything and work it out for our good and His glory … and that He who began a good work in me will complete it till the very end. i have to believe there’s a bigger picture, and because He IS sovereign, i *can* believe there is a bigger picture.

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  109. RichardP says:

    “… that opens a theological can of worms!”

    I was coming from the perspective of what some folks claim: “God wants you to have lots of babies, and using birth control is going to circumvent that”. My point is – if God wants you to have lots of babies, God can make sure you have lots of babies even if you are using birth control. To say otherwise is to say that we can limit God through our behavior.

    I was addressing what I see as a flaw in their argument: God says he will do what he wants (Isaiah 46:10); using birth control cannot make Isaiah 46:10 null and void.

    And – to create a bigger can of worms:

    “I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.” (Isaiah 45:7 kjv)

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  110. RichardP says:

    One of the hardest lessons in life to learn: we are the pot; we are not the potter. He is the creator, we are the created. He can and will do with us as he pleases. And we are not allowed to protest. Because we are the creations; we are not the creator. Does the pot get to say to the potter, hey, do you know what you are doing (paraphrased from Isaiah 45:9)

    All we can do is believe there is a bigger picture. And trust and obey.

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  111. Ame says:

    i agree 🙂

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