Apex Fallacy Revisited


Over at Dalrock’s, Deti writes,

I really have a need to understand where social science researchers are getting this notion that all single guys are out there having all this sex and all this Tinder/hookup “success”. What planet are they living on that they believe your average wage slave cubicle dweller is a total player/pick up artist? If that were the case, every bar and restaurant would be literally swarming with young men actually succeeding, regularly, in picking up and having sex with one or two new women every single week.

And it isn’t just young men either. Social scientists seem to think that all men, including older men, never married men in their 40s, and divorced men in their 40s and 50s are living it up on an endless party train of casual and no strings attached sex. Social scientists seem to think that if you’re not a married man, you’re a pickup artist with immediate access to all sorts of casual sex from all kinds of partners.

Newsflash, guys – your average man, married, single, or whatever, cannot simply decide he wants sex and then get it. Hell, even a MARRIED man can’t just say “I want sex” and be provided it immediately. Your average man cannot go to a bar and pick up a woman he meets there for sex. Your average man does not have three women in his “rotation” he calls when he feels like having sex. Your average man cannot pull up his Tinder account and swipe right, and have sex with the woman he “swiped right” on within a few hours.

I find this misconception not only in published research, but also just ordinary women.

Women are convinced that all single men are out there having as much sex as they are. That is apex fallacy – they’re seeing only the men they themselves have sex with/want to have sex with.

The question arises as to why the misperception that lots of the guys out there are getting it on just like the women.  After all, most every fella has lots of anecdotal evidence with respect to this.  As for the reason why, probably there are lots of facets.

I. The PTB (including Feminists) just don’t want the truth to be known.  If the truth was known, lots of fellas would be mad, resulting in lots of bad things for the system, less work, less stability, less taxes, lots less of the things that society depends on men to do.

II. Since guys and gals pair off one-to-one in marriage, people naturally believe that they pair off one-to-one in all situations.  They don’t.

III. Understanding the true situation (i.e. the 80/20 rule) would make women look bad, sort of like hyper-sluts.  Women must not be made to look bad.  Churchians and many other all agree on this point.

IV. Women just don’t care about the situation of men as a whole (but perhaps they do care about men individually as utilities), so why would they bring up the issue?

V. (From Ton)  People, both men and women, don’t see beta men. They are basically invisible, just like the working class Whites were invisible until Trump

Please feel free to add your own ideas.

Posted in FarmBoy, Feminism, Lies, Trainwreck
109 comments on “Apex Fallacy Revisited
  1. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    The truth will out. Stuff like this can’t be swept under the rug indefinitely. As for men getting pissed, it is already happening.

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  2. SFC Ton says:

    Deti laying it down like a mother fucking boss

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  3. SFC Ton says:

    Another reason I didn’t see you list FB, and the one I’d lay my money on is……

    People, both men and women, don’t see beta men. They are basically invisible, just like the working class Whites were invisible until Trump

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  4. Ame says:

    no one likes the truth; it’s uncomfortable. easier to believe the lie. the lie supports one’s stupid behavior … justifies it. the truth reveals its stupidity.

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  5. A Dad says:

    When I was young, I had lots of sex. When I married, I did not. It was pretty effed up. I should have divorced years ago.

    I’m honestly not sure what the world is like out there because I’ve not dipped my toes into the water since I was frivorced. I tend to think though that a lot more guys could get regular sex if they just tried; Stay in good shape, meet people, and have fun. Life changes shit for people though as they get older. When I was younger, there also weren’t dating apps.

    I know that my buddy is having no trouble getting sex, but the guy still isn’t even out of his divorce yet, so maybe he’s not the same as the average dude. But I don’t think that he’s in the “top 20%” by average description.

    I would think that the most important thing is just to avoid letting yourself become average and strive to be excellent. But what do I know? When I was young, most women were hot. Now, they are all fat and bitchy and I think that I’d actually be attracted in like 1 in 10.

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  6. Yoda says:

    FuzzieBear in Chick Lit he is

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  7. If true (and it is) I ask for the umpteenth time, Why Bother??

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  8. Lol re the book about the bear. Fuzzie, wow!!!

    So true women just assume men, all men, are shagging like rock stars. But most aren’t. Heck even the PUA’s, who study and teach seduction, strike out more than one would think. Vs. a halfway average (or less) gal who can easily get *someone* to toss a sausage in it, at least for a night. (Ewwww)

    Comes back to biology. Women screen heavy and will go for the best buck (or his baby batter at the least) they can land. Bucks, having few landings unless they are the bull elk, will take what chances are available. We may dress it up, call it love or whatever, but in reality trying to pass along ones genes or procure the best genes possible largely drives a lot of human (and any animal) behavior.

    Or maybe I am just a cynic? Lol.

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  9. Choicy says:

    I think I will write a “startingly alive narrative” of me and one of my camels my mates. The forbidden unthinkable thing will be when I mount the camel to seal our hardly imaginable love and it chews my knackers off and kicks my cock inside out mate. The Washingtom Post Gallahs should live on my farm for a week. I nevefr heard such fucking codswallop in all my life.

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  10. Spawny Get says:

    Choice, perhaps a love triangle with you, a bactrian and a dromedary?
    You have hump envy from the dromedary just having one. The bactrian might feel that two humps turn you off as you prefer one? One might be trans-female…but can she pass?

    Mate, the dramatic options available!

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  11. Choicy says:

    A man has one cock, a woman has 2 jubes and more than one hump is surplus to requirements unless he is sterile mate.

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  12. Spawny Get says:

    Maybe if you want to take it in a darker, more 1984, direction.

    You could have the dromedary identify as a bactrian and demand you count her humps? Every time you only count the real jubbly, she hoofs you in the love spuds?

    Genius or wot mate?

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  13. Choicy says:

    You are setting a high crossbar Spawny my mate

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  14. SFC Ton says:

    Bloom has been reading a lot of Ton…. or she is drunker then normal

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  15. Spawny Get says:

    One does one’s best, Choicy, one does one’s best 😉

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  16. Spawny Get says:

    YAY

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  17. Spawny Get says:

    Don’t believe the bit about the British attitudes to guns. Just read it as the British Media’s attitudes.

    But the tweets are fun. I’m sure they’re not what the MSM would like them to be.
    https://www.shortlist.com/news/guns-america-britain-terrorism-twitter/328592

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  18. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Spawny Get,
    If it has been established that the ex-wife came into the embryo by fraudulent means, this sounds like go to jail stuff.

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  19. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    I don’t like the idea of being any human female’s kept bear. Aren’t there laws against this in Canada? I’ll bet there are and that they are more likely to be enforced on behalf of animals than on behalf of human males.

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  20. The question arises as to why the misconception that lots of the guys out there are getting it on just like the women.

    Its just another way for women to be viewed as the perceived “victims” instead of the actual beneficiaries. Women must always be viewed as being the victim so they can then be given the resources and privileges needed to overcome their victimhood.

    If we gave every woman a billion dollars it would result in their screaming that they each needed to be given (at men’s expense) a team of accountants and lawyers to manage it for them.

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  21. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    On second thought about that man losing his claim, clinics cannot be trusted with genetic material and it is pointless to look to the the courts for redress or to law enforcement for protection against fraud.
    The ex-wife is going to get away with it and be applauded for it.

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  22. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Off topic. Runs four and a half minutes.

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  23. A bear there was, a bear, a bear!
    all black and brown, and covered with hair.
    The bear! The bear!
    Oh come they said, oh come to the fair!
    The fair? Said he, but I’m a bear!
    All black and brown, and covered with hair!
    And down the road from here to there.
    From here! To there!
    Three boys, a goat and a dancing bear!
    They danced and spun, all the way to the fair!
    The fair! The fair!
    Oh, sweet she was, and pure and fair!
    The maid with honey in her hair!
    Her hair! Her hair!
    The maid with honey in her hair!
    The bear smelled the scent on the summer air.
    The bear! The bear!
    All black and brown and covered with hair!
    He smelled the scent on the summer air!
    He sniffed and roared and smelled it there!
    Honey on the summer air!
    Oh, I’m a maid, and I’m pure and fair!
    I’ll never dance with a hairy bear!
    A bear! A bear!
    I’ll never dance with a hairy bear!
    The bear, the bear!
    Lifted her high into the air!
    The bear! The bear!
    I called for a knight, but you’re a bear!
    A bear, a bear!
    All black and brown and covered with hair
    She kicked and wailed, the maid so fair,
    But he licked the honey from her hair.
    Her hair! Her hair!
    He licked the honey from her hair!
    Then she sighed and squealed and kicked the air!
    My bear! She sang. My bear so fair!
    And off they went, from here to there,
    The bear, the bear, and the maiden fair.

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  24. Yoda says:

    From the picture, the Maiden Fair nice boobs she had

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  25. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Headhunter, I like that!

    Yoda, yes, she is indeed fair.

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  26. Yoda says:

    Though guessing I am
    Probably not a maiden she is

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  27. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    I have Farm boy to thank for finding this.

    Pleasantly ursine she is.

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  28. Long hair, nice boobs, flat stomach is a winning combination.

    @fuzzie It’s from Game of Thrones. There’s probably a performed version somewhere on Youtube.

    I wonder what the artist’s initial thoughts were on receiving the request. I can see either “You want what?!?” or “Alright, alright, alright…” It was the 70’s (by the look of it) after all.

    “And the Governor General’s Award in the category of bestiality goes to …Bear!!!”
    Thunderous applause follows.

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  29. Yoda says:

    The University of Missouri recently released a set of guidelines on how to host inclusive events, asking students to consider having “a counselor present” for “potentially triggering” events.
    The guidelines, broken up into six sections of “who, when, where, why, what, [and] how,” offer students an examination of sorts for “how to think inclusively when planning an event,” listing dozens of questions they should ask themselves during the planning stages.

    “If my event is potentially triggering, have I consulted with someone from the counseling center or have a counselor present?” one question asks, followed by another that implores students to consider whether “a ‘safe’ or ‘brave’ space” is necessary for the event.

    Another series of questions deals with appropriate advertisements for events, warning students to be “conscious of the colors and how they can be exclusionary or stereotypical” while considering if the language used on advertisements “can potentially be bias [sic].”

    “Am I conscious of not tokenizing individuals, but still working to actively reflect your program/initiative?” another item reminds students to ask themselves.

    https://pjmedia.com/trending/2017/10/05/mizzou-just-never-learns/

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  30. Yoda says:

    Sure that Justin like that book he would I am

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  31. Yoda says:

    “Fifty Shades of Brown”

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  32. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Not me. That is what happens with one or two many bee stings.

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  33. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Farm Boy,
    Please see my link to Mark Lathams’s response at 2:35pm.
    What is it with humans trying to impose their values on other species?
    To misquote Pink Floyd, “Teacher, leave the dogs alone!”

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  34. Re: Applying gender garbage to dogs. Stop it!

    Academic now equals Looney, so now just read Looney in its place, as in “Looneys say sexism and ‘gender expectations’ are blah, blah blah…

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  35. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Bob Newhart was a genius.

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  36. Spawny Get says:

    Oh yes

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  37. Alice lay on the bed watching Kurt as he sleep next to her. She had never before experienced that kind of passion and even just thinking about it now sent a thrill up her spine and she felt a fresh blooming warmth in her loins. Kurt wasn’t like any previous partner she ever had. He was so strong, so masculine, and yet his eyes were so kind. She blushed as she remembered the things he could do with his tongue. His stamina was truly remarkable. Kurt shifted slightly and then yawned as he awakened next to her. Rolling over he smiled as their eyes met and the look he gave her let her know he was ready to go again. She reached over to her nightstand and grabbed the peanut butter and began slathering her nether region while absently smiling to herself about how her I love German Shepherds bumper sticker had taken on a whole new meaning.

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  38. Yoda says:

    Big dark eyes Kurt had

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  39. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    There are lots of fun things to be found at the grocery store.

    “Big dark eyes Kurt had.”
    “The better to see Alice with.”

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  40. Yoda says:

    Assert his territory by urinating on it Kurt does.
    Gives tingles to Alice this does

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  41. Yoda says:

    If true (and it is) I ask for the umpteenth time, Why Bother??

    Just dislike bears you do.

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  42. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    I like the Labatt’s Blue Bear. He knows how to get the father’s favor.

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  43. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Farm Boy,
    Where was that artist when the CIA could have used him in the early 60s?

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  44. Ame says:

    i think i’ve had some comments held up here and at Bloom’s 😦

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  45. Farm Boy says:

    Whilst discussing the inauguration of President Trump, asked if she wanted to scream, Clinton told RTÉ, “Oh, I did. But that was a common occurrence in those days. You know, scream into the pillow when I saw what was happening.”

    https://bluntforcetruth.com/hillary-tells-of-screaming-into-pillow-election-night-shock/

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  46. Farm Boy says:

    Actually there were no comments from Ame in spam

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  47. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Yoda,
    There are lots more Labatt’s Blue Bear commercials, enough for me to binge on. I’ll have to ration them out.
    We haven’t heard fro Horseman for a while. Could he support Molson?

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  48. Ame says:

    FarmBoy – thank you for checking! sometimes i forget where i’ve commented something 😉

    silly woman!!!

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  49. Ame says:

    We haven’t heard fro Horseman for a while.

    noticed that … hope all’s well with him and his.

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  50. Yoda says:

    Horseman ran out to buy the Bear book he did

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  51. Yoda says:

    Actually taken seriously the Bear book was

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  52. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    I don’t think that any bear would take it seriously. Humans have such a high opinion of their attractiveness.

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  53. Still lurking but its all been said.

    Actually saw the movie Grizzly as a kid, came out just after Jaws.

    MGD or the old Red Cap, Molsons tastes like piss.

    A reset isnt going to happen

    Men will continue to MGTOW, women will not learn consequences enough to change, govts cannot continue the costs but elections are every 4-5 years so they will double down, the there is an app for that generation wont be able to fix or make anything.

    So it will be a long slow slide into oblivion. Just look at Japan, Portugal, Greece.

    Biggest indication?

    Other than Steph and Ame where are the women voices at Blooms??
    Do women not read her? If they do do they not have opinions? If they have opinions do they not have the courage to speak? If they wont speak can they effect change. No, no, no and no.

    So my question whose answer is self evident: why bother with any of it??
    Still waiting for any meaningful answer.

    I’ll be around.

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  54. Cases in point

    https://beta.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/rob-commentary/women-in-the-boardroomhas-the-time-for-quotas-arrived/article36517480/

    Arguement for quotas in board representation after the music major created the Equifax debacle.

    https://beta.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/industry-news/energy-and-resources/transcanada-kills-controversial-energy-east-pipeline-project/article36498370/?ref=https://www.theglobeandmail.com&

    Energy board kills energy east pipeline by making Transcanada be required to “environmentally assess the up and downstream social costs of greenhouse gases from oil sands.”

    So with Trans pacific and Keystone dead our largest natural resource now has no where to go to market. (1 million barrels a day at 50 per taxed at even 1% is 500k a day in taxes not received, never mind the 36 Billion investment.)

    Plus the entire article at Dalrocks mentioned started by the Globes own Margaret Wente (who I like usually) being so close but unable to call out her sisters on the root causes of Mgtow.

    Its all been said and we all see it and where it is going.

    I am just a happy little Bombadil in my cottage.

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  55. Rich lives in my old hometown, a suburb of Toronto.

    “I can’t believe my unicorn could do this to me” Duh! She can, she will and her sisters encourage her to do it. Hard truths from Entrepenuers in Cars.

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  56. SFC Ton says:

    Back on topic for a moment

    Another factor keeping the reality of the SMP hidden is….. beta men can’t bitch all that much and don’t bitch all that becuase they know, at the instinctual level, bitching would further lower their SMP value. A hit most of them can’t afford so they think they have to play the game as it is or walk away in disgust. Most betas don’t understand smashing ass is a skill set like any other and something most men can learn with study and practice

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  57. Spawny Get says:

    “Back on topic for a moment”

    Steady on. There are limits around here, you know.

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  58. Yoda says:

    Tinder has today announced the launch of a new feature intended to help women combat the male “douchebags” regularly encountered on the dating app.

    Tinder Reactions is part of the company’s “Menprovement” project, presumably in response to the rise of more feminist dating apps such as Bumble.

    Designed by women who work at Tinder, there are eight new Reactions a user can send to a person, five of which are exclusive to women:

    Really, urgh, nope
    Martini
    Eye roll
    Strike
    Ball’s in your court

    http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/love-sex/tinder-reactions-dating-app-women-martini-sleazy-men-a7983281.html

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  59. I.H. says:

    Deti’s post is correct. However, With regard to sex and the older crowd, if you’ve kept yourself in decent shape, are tall and act like a man, it’s like shooting fish in a barrel. However, less than 20% of guys over 40 fit that description.

    I’ll be 60 this year and can get as much 40+ pussy as I want. Every now and then, it’s a 30 year old (but only when I wear the bear suit).

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  60. Spawny Get says:

    Extra ‘like’ (virtual) for the bear suit mention.

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  61. Yoda says:

    The creator of an artificial intelligence sex doll claims having regular orgasms with his creation has spiced up his marriage.

    Dr Sergi Santos is one of the developers behind the hyper-real sex robot dubbed ‘Samantha’.

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/weird-news/sex-robot-creator-claims-five-11272819

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  62. Yoda says:

    A mother-of-four claims her youthful appearance is a curse – because she’s too good looking to find love.

    Dawn Cousins, 44, a receptionist from London, claims that it’s a ‘nightmare’ having men fall at her feet – because they aren’t up to her standards

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-4954850/Mother-four-claims-s-good-looking-love.html

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  63. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Yoda at 1:26pm,
    After reading that Tinder post, I came close to losing it. Where do these Tinderellas get off? They own the venue. It all goes their way. And, yet, they find cause to complain? If they object to “douches”, why do they reward them with success? I don’t have a Tinder account, and it is very unlikely that I will get one. May all the Tinderellas become well acquainted with the devices they store in their nightstands.

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  64. I think you found something …

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  65. @Tinderellas

    Not on Tinder so I don’t know how it works besides something about swiping left and right, but if adding items to a category list is now “designing” a new feature I really need to revise my resume to say something about how I invented IT.

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  66. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    RPG,
    There was a hotelier in Venezuela that was offering a two hundred a night, minimum one week stay, to guys that would include a “girlfriend”. I think he has been sunk by the downturn in the economy. Still, the business model worked. From what the documentary on YouTube showed, there were a lot of problems with the “girlfriends”.

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  67. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Headhunter,
    Notice how the bear was given a hard time by US Customs

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  68. Abusing her authority. Obviously a speciesist.

    Canadian Customs were very pleasant on visit last year.

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  69. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Headhunter,
    She just has it in for males. It doesn’t matter if the males are of a different species.

    That Tinder story has me furious. Where do they get off?

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  70. Farm Boy says:

    Eleven injured as taxi driver ‘deliberately mows down pedestrians’ after mounting the pavement outside London’s Natural History Museum before being pinned to the ground and arrested in front of stunned tourists

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4958398/Car-mounts-pavement-outside-Natural-History-Museum.html

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  71. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Farm Boy,
    They are not going to let up.

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  72. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    It is odd that all the homicidal vehicles tend to target tourists. I was in Reno when Priscilla Ford went crazy on Thanksgiving. I think it was the most expensive case the county ever brought to trial.

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  73. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    No, thank you.

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