Men Owe


Over at Dalrock’s, Deti writes,

“I think over time we’re going to see guys refuse marriage altogether. If or when they want kids, they’ll offer kids but no marriage. That still puts a lot of power in the woman’s hands (she can sue for “child” support and win) but for guys who still want children but without the many downsides of marriage, it’s at least a viable option.”

Eh. State courts will just circumvent this by bringing back common law marriage, possibly even less stringent than the requirements were when common law marriage was a thing. It’ll be something like this: You live with her for a year or two, she’s your common law wife. You knocked her up and you raise the kid together and you provide for support and you acknowledge paternity, then your baby mama is your common law wife. You’re having sex with her regularly and she’s been your longtime girlfriend for 4 or 5 years, she’s your common law wife.

Women and the PTB will always find a way to make men pay. If women are giving up sex, men gotta be made to “pay” for that in one way or another. Women commonly have a gut feeling that if they are having sex, then they should get something in return for the sex they’re giving them. Those men they’re having sex with owe them something for the sex. Commitment. Marriage. Status of being the “girlfriend” or wife. A father for my kids. Ongoing financial support. The attitude is “I had sex with him, so he’s gotta give me something in return for that.”

Apparently, no matter what men do or do not do, they owe.  Probably it has been this way forever, as men were always subject to military service (with women suffering the most from this naturally enough).  Except in the olden days, men did expect sex for their sacrifices.  Nowadays, married or not, there really is not this expectation.

“Women commonly have a gut feeling that if they are having sex, then they should get something in return for the sex they’re giving them.”

Let us examine this further.   Do they really believe this?  Can they not just enjoy the act?   Do they think this way when Harley McBadboy is banging them?  Or is just when somebody other than Harley McBadboy is banging them?    When non-Harley is banging them, is it such a chore to go through the act in order to get what they really want?  Just because men have more drive to perform the act, does this justify them exploiting this for all that it worth?  Do any women fell guilty about exploiting this asymmetry of desire?  Is this rent-seeking behavior healthy in the long run?

The short answer to the above questions is that men owe.  The justification is: because.

As for the men who are shut out, they still owe; after all they pay taxes.  Do these women believe that these men should pay for women and their offspring for any good reason?  Probably they do believe that.  The short answer is: they owe because they are men.

Posted in FarmBoy, Feminism, Hypergamy, Lies, MGTOW, Trainwreck
110 comments on “Men Owe
  1. SFC Ton says:

    Well to repete myself…..

    Women are biologically programmed to exploit men as they would any other natural resource. That is their default setting. Pretty much everything else flows from there.

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  2. Farm Boy says:

    Well Ton, this all needs repeating, as men everywhere do not really understand.

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  3. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Farm Boy,
    Women threw the rule book out the window, but they sincerely believe that men men owe, individually and collectively. The last woman that I dated fully supported her roommate in her trapping a man into child support. That tore it for me.
    I don’t believe they feel this way about Harley McBadboy. That is another thing for good men to resent.

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  4. SFC Ton says:

    LOL i just used those words on rpg’s blog to explain a comment I made to Ame but yea….. an elite level skill set is nothing but an elite level ability to apply the basic fundamentals of whatever task at hand

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  5. Yoda says:

    Men and women equal they are.
    Yet men still owe by default they do

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  6. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Why? Well, because…

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  7. Ame says:

    Yoda says:
    4 October, 2017 at 2:49 am
    Men and women equal they are.
    Yet men still owe by default they do

    no, men and women are not equal 🙂

    that has been women’s deception since the very beginning – Eve believed she could be equal to God. that backfired 😉

    women are still believing the lie that they’re ‘equal.’ women are not equal. they never were.

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  8. Yoda says:

    Women like men they are
    Just have babies they do

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  9. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Ame,
    I wonder if the author can define “frame”. Then, he goes on to tell men they have to endure every shit test that women throw at them. So much for “frame”. No banana, no monkey dance.

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  10. Spawny Get says:

    As the full direness mightn’t make it to the US, Treason May gave her conference speech…it was fecking shite.

    Here’s Treeza fishing for votes

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  11. @Ame

    In your experience, do women routinely play hard to get with men they’re strongly attracted to?

    You can be a “4” and she can be a “9”. If the circumstances are right, she’ll fuck you so long as there’s no downside. Why? Because sex feels good.

    Has, ha, ha. No. Ginger was never going to fuck Gilligan. (I’m in the Maryanne camp myself.)

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  12. copperfox3c says:

    I was never a particularly huge fan of the “How to get laid like a Warlord” post … nor the formulaic buzzfeed type lists. What Mike Haines was describing was a particular kind of game, the sort of “young cocky asshole” game that works well when you’re younger.

    Now that I’m in my late 30’s, I tend to take on a more paternal frame with the typically younger women I date. As FuzzieWuzzieBear pointed out, I tend to put up with a lot less bullshit, be more direct, and am not willing to do any sort of monkey dance to entertain a woman.

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  13. copperfox3c says:

    Or in other words, there is more than one way to skin a cat …

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  14. @copperfox
    I am definitely onboard with the “put up with less bullshit, be more direct, no monkey dance” ethos, but I’m sure there’s a better word than paternal with regards to interacting with women you intend to have sex with.

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  15. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    What kills me about all the Reddit Red Pill guys is the overweening confidence. They have built their theory on intellectual sand. We still have only a vague idea of what attracts women and there has to be so much more that is overlooked.

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  16. copperfox3c says:

    @Headhunter:
    I think paternal is a good term for it. Women’s first experience with men is with their fathers, in many ways there grown up sexual relationships with men are just replays of that. For better or worse lol

    @Fuzzie:
    yeah you have to filter through both at the Red Pill and SoSuave. There are guys there who know their shit, and some not so much. Figure out which ones are which. Which ones understand the nuance of the mating game, from actual experience.

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  17. Spawny Get says:

    Treeza May’s speech in all its distilled glory

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  18. Spawny Get says:

    The P45 document is the note handed to someone when they’re sacked from their job.

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  19. Spawny Get says:

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  20. Yoda says:

    Listen to me Ms. May should have

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  21. Spawny Get says:

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  22. @fuzzie
    Why is that guy slumming and having sex with 9’s when his magnificent “frame” gives him unlimited access to 10’s?

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  23. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    All that coughing from Theresa May was reminiscent of Hillary. Could it be contagious, somehow?

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  24. Spawny Get says:

    #Woke

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  25. Spawny Get says:

    Lack of visits to Wan King is a factor in Giant Panda fertility, I hear. That and the 15 minute fertility of the female once every 7.378 months doesn’t help.

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  26. Spawny Get says:

    Also, blue ones can be an issue

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  27. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Spawny Get,
    Good for Henkel! I am trying to remember the name of the lord who recommended self government for Canada. People that wise do not come along too often.

    I hear that things are much better for pandas. They have been taken off the endangered species list.

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  28. Ame says:

    Kentucky Headhunter
    9h ago
    @Ame

    In your experience, do women routinely play hard to get with men they’re strongly attracted to?

    yes.

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  29. SFC Ton says:

    The best way to get laid like a warlord is to be a warlord. Dangerous, violent men get them wet.
    …………

    #1 weak frame = shit test.
    The weaker yout frame, the more shit tests
    Soooooo…… her shit tests mean you need more help then some pick up blog advice

    #2 there are no 10’s. No bitch is perfect if you think she is a 10/ out of your league, you need more help then a pick up blog can offer

    There are very few 9’s. Call it the ball curve of looks but there you go. Anyone who says he is banging a bunch of 9’s is full of shit or has low standards. How to tell if she is a 9? Easy. How many dudes turn their head to watch her walk by? If it ain’t a couple a day, she ain’t a 9. Most girls, not even the ones who get paid to look good are not 9’s and never can be. Men have a lot more options to claw their way to the top of the SMP pryimid.

    I camped at the beach a few weeks back. Must have seen 300 bitches come ans go. There was one 9 for the whole week. How do I know she was a 9? Every dude there wanted a second look, and both her and her beta are professionally good looking.

    #3 pretty girls are easier to approach. They almost always have better attitudes in life. I have seen very few nuclear rejections, none where from 7-9’s.

    All girls respond well to benevolent chauvinism. Regardless of age or looks. You can call this partenralist if you like, I call it reality. Every bitch born wants a strong man that lets her hamster sleep at night.
    ………..

    Jacking off is for bitches. Men go out and fuck

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  30. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Headhunter,
    I just saw your question at 4:41pm. I think that he is full of himself and not to be taken seriously. Still, women are seduced by confidence and it doesn’t seem to matter if it is real or feigned.

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  31. Spawny Get says:

    Great times for British Prime Minister May

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  32. Spawny Get says:

    And it gets worse

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  33. Stephanie says:

    LOL Ame!!! My parents knew a plastic surgeon whose wife worked for his practice (maybe managed it?) like in that article. She was older and didn’t look as good as that Asian woman, but I couldn’t help but wonder if he’d probably done some procedures on her.

    How creepy to be married to someone who constantly wants to surgically perfect your body lol! I guess some women would want that, definitely not me!

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  34. Ame says:

    i think it’s creepy, too … but to each their own, i guess!

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  35. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    I hope that he is not doing the work. I have heard that professional courtesy extends to family. Still, from a business standpoint, it is a valid promotion.

    Ame,
    That doesn’t happen in real life. Biff kicks the shit out of George because he is twice George’s size.

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  36. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    It doesn’t end there. George ends up killing Biff.

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  37. SFC Ton says:

    In the army, I use to tell dudes never buy your wife tits because some other dude will be playing with them instead of you

    Wonder how lomg it will be until the Asian wife finds a bigger, better deal

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  38. Ame says:

    lol! and, imo, he’s not *that* good looking!

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  39. Yoda says:

    “As a white woman, I personally find this [lack of a unanimous female vote] to be extremely disappointing,” laments Lauren Levinson on the popular fashion and beauty site PopSugar. “No matter what your stance on the economy, foreign policy, or other issues, we women must rally together to elect a candidate in 2020 who openly respects our gender, takes sexual assault seriously (and hasn’t been accused of it), and will actively campaign on behalf of women’s rights, be it the choice to have an abortion or equal pay.”

    http://thefederalist.com/2017/10/02/michelle-obama-says-conservative-women-dont-voices/

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  40. Yoda says:

    According to new data from YouGov Omnibus, 49% of Americans agree with Dr. Pearson that having sex with robots will become common practice sometime within the next 50 years. However, not everyone is prepared for this shift. For example, just 9% of women would consider getting frisky with a robot. However, men are much more open to the idea – one in four men (24%) would at least think about taking an automaton lover.

    https://hotair.com/headlines/archives/2017/10/1-4-men-consider-sex-robot/

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  41. Yoda says:

    “On one side of the room, it’s literally gray and white. Literally, that’s the color palette on one side of the room. On the other side of the room, there are yellows and blues and whites and greens. Physically, there’s a difference in color, in the tone. Because one side: all men, all white. On the other side: some women, some people of color.”

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/10/michelle-obama-people-dont-trust-politics-white-republican-men-video/

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  42. Yoda says:

    We’re getting a lot of smirky, celebratory headlines, like these:

    AMERICA’S WHITE MAN PROBLEM

    HOW AMERICA HAS SILENTLY ACCEPTED THE RAGE OF WHITE MEN

    THE WHITE PRIVILEGE OF THE “LONE WOLF” SHOOTER

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/10/04/ann-coulter-media-find-las-vegas-shooters-motive-hes-white/

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  43. Alan Kardec says:

    “#3 pretty girls are easier to approach.”

    This is my experience also, and they tend to be more comfortable around men who act like men. The toughest person to be around, man or woman, is the person who feels they are just a notch or two below where they think they deserve to be. Pain in the ass!

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  44. Yoda says:

    Parents, want to avoid having your kids unjustly accused of sexual assault? You might want to think twice before sending them to the University of Colorado and the University of Cincinnati. Colorado’s refusal to rescind its Obama-era guidelines that deny students basic due process rights and impose kangaroo courts should scare any parent whose son is thinking of going there. And a recent decision by the Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals against Cincinnati shows that the school’s tribunal system resembles the procedures in Franz Kafka’s The Trial.

    https://pjmedia.com/trending/2017/10/04/due-process-rights-assault-two-universities/

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  45. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    People who have bought into identity politics have trouble seeing Hillary as the terrible candidate she was. They expected all women to vote as a bloc. I hope that Michelle does not run for office in any capacity.

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  46. Yoda says:

    I researched the strictly tightened gun laws in Britain and Australia and concluded that they didn’t prove much about what America’s policy should be. Neither nation experienced drops in mass shootings or other gun related-crime that could be attributed to their buybacks and bans. Mass shootings were too rare in Australia for their absence after the buyback program to be clear evidence of progress. And in both Australia and Britain, the gun restrictions had an ambiguous effect on other gun-related crimes or deaths

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/i-used-to-think-gun-control-was-the-answer-my-research-told-me-otherwise/2017/10/03/d33edca6-a851-11e7-92d1-58c702d2d975_story.html

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  47. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Yoda,
    That should be a factor in where men choose to apply to college. It is time to see if the Mizzou Effect can be brought to more institutions.

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  48. Ame says:

    watch from 0:35 to 0:42 … how i imagine every man wants a hot woman to look at him:

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  49. Yoda says:

    Nice enough boobs she has

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  50. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Ame,
    There might be something else going on. Female performers like getting “flirty” with male performers and the ball starts rolling in that he needs to be led on and off stage because he is blind. There might also be professional considerations in that he does not upstage the women and is a great singer.

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  51. Yoda says:

    Looks like checking out her boobs he is

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  52. SFC Ton says:

    Also, though it’s a small data set, HB 9’s seem to dislike women/ gotten the most bullshit from women and are a little less team woman and a little more pro masculine. The 9’s i knew all had the same story of other girls trying to ruin their SMP value via the rumor mill. Mostly being called sluts and whores behind their back

    The 9 at the beach was certainly like that. While she wasn’t acting like a whore or anything, you could tell she enjoyed the masculine vibe from the Clan Ton men, she was always up beat when a dog or kid wandered into their camp site, received various invitations to join in various bbq etc with a smile …… and she threatened a couple of the ladies camping with us. A friend of mine has a hard 8 for a wife, she was the most stand offish, yet polite. The other guys 5 was an absolute cunt about it all and ran 9 down every chance she got, to the point i told my former trooper to fix his bitch or keep her down at their camp site.

    9 was with a male model / actor who was a complete beta. He didn’t handle the whole deal well at all either and you could watch his butt sore vibe kill tingles and loose respect by the second

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  53. SFC Ton says:

    LOL even blind guys like boobs. Had a blind guy on my power lifting team once and his wife swore he was always “looking” at her boobs and could always grab them 1st try when he wanted

    Course she had a lot of boobs some maybe it was random luck.

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  54. Yoda says:

    CNN published a column on Wednesday declaring that the mass shooting that took place in Las Vegas was a result of America having “silently accepted the rage of white men.”

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/10/04/cnn-columnist-vegas-shooting-because-america-silently-accepting-the-rage-of-white-men/

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  55. Yoda says:

    CHARLOTTE, N.C. —When Cam Newton fielded a question Wednesday about wide receiver Devin Funchess, he gave a 35-second answer on the growth Funchess has made from last year to this season.

    But before Newton answered the question from Charlotte Observer beat reporter Jourdan Rodrigue, the Panthers quarterback said it was “funny” to hear a “female” ask about routes.

    http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/news/cam-newton-panthers-video-funny-female-reporter-routes-question-jourdan-rodrigue/d3zm2e799jdj1n2pxlnlqpto0

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  56. Stephanie says:

    “LOL even blind guys like boobs. Had a blind guy on my power lifting team once and his wife swore he was always “looking” at her boobs and could always grab them 1st try when he wanted

    Course she had a lot of boobs some maybe it was random luck”

    ^^LOL Ton!!!! That is so cute and hilarious!

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  57. Stephanie says:

    “Also, though it’s a small data set, HB 9’s seem to dislike women/ gotten the most bullshit from women and are a little less team woman and a little more pro masculine. The 9’s i knew all had the same story of other girls trying to ruin their SMP value via the rumor mill. Mostly being called sluts and whores behind their back”

    My mom was like that re: other women and being pro-men’s side. It’s why she raised me so anti-feminist. She was at least an 8 but maybe a 9 when she was in high school, I don’t know. Very tall, long gorgeous blonde hair and blue eyes (a light blue at that! Mine are only blue-green), long long long legs. She was the head majorette at her highschool – which was basically like being the head cheerleader now-a-days.

    She loved talking about the “femi-nazis” to me 😀 and also… the “proud to be plain girls” who are basically the Christian and some non-Christian women who think looking sexy is always bad, who think women like my mom were sluts and whores and treated her like that. But she was actually really nice and kind to a lot of people.

    Hmm…

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  58. Stephanie says:

    She thought the Proud to Be Plain women were actually worse than the feminists.

    They’re extremely arrogant, even though they pretend to always be self-deprecating and humble LOL.

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  59. Stephanie says:

    Also… my poor mom. She was not a slut at all! She was a virgin on her wedding night with my dad (who was 5 years older)… she told me the story of how her hymen was so thick they had to get it surgically cut on their honeymoon 😦 Sucked! But they did other things in the meantime 😉

    But yea… definitely wasn’t the slut type.

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  60. Yoda says:

    TMI

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  61. Spawny Get says:

    Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please

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  62. Stephanie says:

    Sorry Yoda!

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  63. Yoda says:

    Two U.S. legislators are seeking to pass legislation that would classify the practice of “stealthing” as rape.

    According to the New York Post, “stealthing” is when “a man removes his condom during intercourse without consent from his partner.”

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/10/04/u-s-legislators-classify-stealthing-rape/

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  64. Yoda says:

    Pittsburgh Steelers linebacker Vince Williams doesn’t care if fans don’t like players protesting the national anthem. In fact, he told fans who burned their Steelers gear, not to bother coming back.

    http://www.breitbart.com/sports/2017/10/04/steelers-linebacker-vince-williams-fans-burned-jersey-if-burned-dont-buy-back/

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  65. Yoda says:

    The white Drexel University professor who said last December the only thing he wanted for Christmas was “white genocide” hit Twitter hard in the wake of the deadly Las Vegas mass shooting and said “white people and men” were to blame for it.

    http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/10/03/prof-who-wanted-white-genocide-for-christmas-blames-white-people-and-men-for-las-vegas-massacre/amp/

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  66. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Before I read Yoda’s TMI comment, I was thinking about Tarn. She had problems with classmates in high school starting rumors about her. It does seem to be a common, but underhanded, tactic among women.

    Yoda, for the CNN columnist, Naaz Modan, editor of Muslim Girl magazine, who complained of soft pedaling white male rage.

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  67. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Spawny Get,
    Friday is tomorrow!!!

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  68. Yoda says:

    Not particularly attractive the abortion lady is.
    Effectively assisting her cause she is not

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  69. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Yoda,
    She could easily look better. Is it out of spite that feminists make themselves unattractive? That she wants to murder babies in the womb is ugly enough in itself.

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  70. BuenaVista says:

    My daughter started school in 2nd grade at age 5 and wore American Girl dresses and read at a higher level than your average NFL football player. Her mom and grandmother were both Vogue models, and she looked like her mom’s little sister. The female teachers were merciless. Her hands weren’t even strong enough to hold a pencil, so we bought her sewing and macrame stuff because it strengthens the fingers. I could sit with her for an hour on the sofa while she sewed, and talk business with her as though to an adult.

    But she knew her grammar and the difference between logic and namecalling. She would say things to her teachers like, “But Mrs. Jones, that’s not what the textbook says.” And she would come home from school in tears for being treated the way she was, by the teacher. At this point she was an 8 year-old fifth grader. We were dealing with a grown woman who ridiculed an 8 year-old for being smarter than she was.

    So she stopped wearing nice clothes and wore t-shirts and boys’ shirts and jeans. Still not enough. We then put her in a private school, and they were more polite, because we had to give them a lot of money.

    One day (we lived in the country, in a village of about 250 people) at the July 4 village picnic, we were dressed up. One of the other parents said, “She’s just so pretty, I had no idea.” The woman thought that that was a nice thing to say.

    Fast forward 20 years. Now she dresses and cares for herself in a more feminine manner (she works in NYC, and wants to marry and semi-retire, per usual). I struggled to recognize my own daughter in the more recent pictures. Women are tough on attractive women.

    My son #1 is actually smarter, by IQ anyway. (He pursues ridiculously dangerous activities, which I think is really stupid unless there is some higher purpose than adrenaline.) But he just acts dumb all the time, and everyone’s cool.

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  71. @Yoda

    The crazy radiating off her is burning out my sensors…

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  72. Yoda says:

    Unappealing this is

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  73. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Yoda,
    Tomorrow is Friday.

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  74. Stephanie says:

    Oh BV 😥 I’m so sorry for your daughter.

    When I was in 12th grade – so like 18 – one of my female teachers was so horribly cruel and nutty to me, my mom actually succeeded in getting CPS involved and old bat was finally fired. She hated us and told us almost every day that she’d rather be getting her nails done and just all sorts of ridiculous stuff. She was beyond retirement so I guess she felt like she could get away with it. And this was an HONORS class, too, some of the brightest students were having to deal with her daily.

    She was such a bitch it was almost unbelievable, like something out of a novel! I was good friends with one of our class’s co-head cheerleaders (we had 2 for some reason ??) and this witch actually made her cry – IN CLASS!!! I never cried in class, I think I cried in the nurse’s office one time and after that that’s when my mom got CPS involved.

    Then I became known as “The So-in-So Slayer” in my hometown LOL…

    ❤ hugs to your daughter… I hope she finds happiness

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  75. Stephanie says:

    “We then put her in a private school, and they were more polite, because we had to give them a lot of money.”

    I’m glad people were more polite to her in private school! My experience was the opposite. I actually got really bullied in private school and even called a dog one time! Kids are pretty mean :/

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  76. RichardP says:

    Related to the larger conversation that goes on here and elsewhere.

    Men owe. And when the circumstances warrant, they pay. Because they can.

    Self-esteem and confidence are intertwined, related concepts for men. Confidence comes from repeated experience in demonstrating that one is capable. Self-esteem is a by-product of that process. For an example, read on.

    The following is from here , but I will post the words since the link may only go to the page and not the post. From John Henry:
    ———————-

    As I posted yesterday, both of my sisters were in the Vegas concert crowd when the shooting started.

    My sister Moira recently remarried to John Anderson, who had served in the Marines, stationed in the Middle East.

    As soon as the shooting started he recognized the sound was automatic weapon fire and quickly ascertained the direction.

    He got both of my sisters and their two friends moving immediately in the opposite direction.

    When they fell, he picked them up. When they tried to hide behind portapotties, curled up with fear, he made them keep going.

    He calmly surveyed the situation (while keeping everyone together and running) and guided them to an open gate that wasn’t jammed with panicked people.

    John got them into a nearby construction site and had them take shelter in an abandoned building.

    He then repeatedly went back outside, into the melee, to listen for any movement in the source of gunfire.

    When he realized there were no second shooters, and the source wasn’t moving, he guided them to a nearby hotel, and to safety.

    When I asked him how he was able to stay so calm in the chaos, he replied matter of factly, “I’ve been shot at a lot.”

    Damn hero, he is.

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  77. Yoda says:

    Damn hero, he is.

    Say this better I could not

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  78. RichardP says:

    John Henry – writing about toxic masculinity. That thing which is being criticized by folks who haven’t a clue what they are talking about.

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  79. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Yoda at 4:14pm,
    So they want to expand the definition of rape to include “stealthing”? Previously, a new Jersey legislator tried to propose that it include telling lies. Feminists will not be satisfied until it is expanded so much that it includes all sex, prosecutable at the woman’s discretion.
    As for “stealthing”, how can a man disprove a woman’s claim? All this stuff is boiling down to “he said, she said.”

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  80. Yoda says:

    Given the circumstances—I don’t want to die alone—an imaginary boyfriend seemed the way to go. So that’s how I came to meet Callum, one sunny afternoon in late September, when I made him out of clay.

    https://broadly.vice.com/en_us/article/wje8e5/mary-stephenson-my-man-imaginary-boyfriend-clay

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  81. Ame says:

    i said to my Oldest, “They’re talking about how girls are mean to pretty girls and how teachers are mean to pretty girls at Spawny’s.”

    Oldest: *eyeroll*

    Me: “We know all about that, don’t we.”

    Oldest without looking up from what she was working on: “Yes, we do.”

    – – –

    we’re not even close to being in the league of BV’s ex and his daughter, but we’ve experienced all of it. my mom and one of my sisters have always been jealous of me. how that translated over time is that my mom just ignored me and justified not being there when i needed her by saying, “You’ll be just fine; you always are.” the last time i called for help – just an emotional support, not expecting her to drop her life (God forbid) and physically come to help me … i had two babies at home, my Youngest a newborn and already showing signs of special needs (was a very high maintenance baby) and her sister a two year old. my mom totally blew me off telling me, “You’ll be just fine; you always are.” the second time my ex and i built a house my parents came for a visit, and my mom who had recently got her beautiful dream home said, “Wow. I’m jealous. I have a nice kitchen, but yours … I’m so jealous.” she doesn’t even hide it. my youngest sister has always been jealous of me. she was always much prettier and more beautiful than i, had a more out-going personality, but always jealous of me. still is. our other sister is closer to her, and they’ve talked about me behind my back forever. our brother has always been closest to my jealous sister, and while i think his wife and i could be friends, my jealous sister would cause so much strife it’s not even worth it.

    i’ve learned to dumb down and blend in. (though definitely do not have iq’s nearly as high as BV’s daughter).

    my girls have both had female peers and teachers treat them terribly b/c they were pretty and smart. i had to step in so many times over the years.

    girls are just flat-out mean. i’ve tried to raise my girls to treat everyone with respect regardless of what they look like or position or status.

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  82. SFC Ton says:

    girls are just flat-out mean.
    …………
    But they play with tea sets, dolls and pretend nurse games……..

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  83. Ame says:

    lol!

    okay … really, can we PLEASE ditch the nurse games … cause i totally freak out with all ‘body things’ and hate hospitals and dr’s offices! i don’t even fall into the ‘terrible nurse’ category i’m so terrible with it all!!! 🙂 🙂 🙂

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  84. Ame says:

    Fuzzie – she’s responding to him, the man, his masculinity, his sexiness.

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  85. SFC Ton says:

    Yup they are trying to boil it all down to he said/ she said and we all know women never lie about this stuff…….

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  86. Stephanie says:

    “i’ve learned to dumb down and blend in.”

    Yes, public school was nice!!! Just the sheer number or students in one grade (a few hundred) compared to a small private school… was very nice to blend in… I guess until that senior year with Mrs. Psycho lol.

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  87. Ame says:

    anyone heard of this?! 🙂

    https://www.bustle.com/p/22-bizarre-but-brilliant-products-with-a-cult-following-on-amazon-55055?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=pro&utm_campaign=fbprossprod

    2. THIS BIZARRE YET HIGHLY ENTERTAINING STRATEGY CARD GAME

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    From the makers of the webcomic The Oatmeal comes Exploding Kittens — a bizarre yet oddly intriguing card game that features kittens, explosions, laser beams, and sometimes goats. Not only does it come with back of more than 5,000 positive reviews on Amazon, it was also the most backed and most funded Kickstarter in history.

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  88. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    “Exploding kittens?” positive review??

    As to female artists coming on to male artists onstage, I believe that it is feigned to titillate the audience.

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  89. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Consider the drama in this little clip. Translation not needed.

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  90. Yoda says:

    I believe that it is feigned to “titillate” the audience.

    Always da boobs it is

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  91. Alan Kardec says:

    “I believe that it is feigned to titillate the audience.”

    Not to say there isn’t attraction between performers, after all these are people paid for letting their emotional connections run free, but normally these sort of people are total professionals … when they are doing their thing. In private they are often basket cases but switch on the lights and yell, “action,” and they know how to entertain.

    Not exactly on the same subject but I remember watching a doddering old movie star from the 1940s sit in a wheelchair awaiting the moment when he would give out an award. The asst. director took his hand, helped him stand, and as he stood the years just dropped away. His spine straightened, his head came up, he walked up the stairs with a strength and dignity unimaginable a moment before. He spoke clearly, kisses his co-presenter with a slightly romantic flourish and came back off the stage. Then they rolled him out the back door, an old man again. For their intended purpose, show people are spectacular. Fierce and brave and focused. Outside of their intended purpose, meh.

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  92. Alan Kardec says:

    “Seen anything unusual?”

    Okay. Still laughing about that.

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  93. Spawny Get says:

    In these difficult times I need to keep my spirits up

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  94. Ame says:

    ummm … wow.

    do you think this is a current phenomenon or something that’s been around but just not admitted or talked about?

    my maternal grandparents were conveniently separated a lot – he had a lucrative career in the states while she roamed europe. i can’t imagine either was faithful. they were both alcoholics.

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  95. SFC Ton says:

    I reckon,as it’s framed in the story, it’s a phenomenon of wealth and leasuire time available to women.

    Poor folks and hard times don’t really land itself to such rationalization but I think the infidelity rates for women has always been rather high because of opportunity. Infidelity rates for men have probaly always been more or less the same because only the top 20% or so of men have been in a position to have a side piece

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  96. RichardP says:

    “… grandparents were conveniently separated a lot …”

    I immediately thought of the line “let there be spaces in your togetherness” . A line from a page full of similar lines given to my class sophmore year of high school. “Pick one and write a three-page paper about what you think it means” said teacher. That line always stuck with me.

    I have not, until this moment, thought to figure out where the line came from. I always just thought it was something my teacher made up. It is not. (thanks Google)

    Kahlil Gibran – the “not Paul” guy:

    “Let there be spaces in your togetherness, And let the winds of the heavens dance between you. Love one another but make not a bond of love: Let it rather be a moving sea between the shores of your souls. Fill each other’s cup but drink not from one cup. Give one another of your bread but eat not from the same loaf. Sing and dance together and be joyous, but let each one of you be alone, Even as the strings of a lute are alone though they quiver with the same music. Give your hearts, but not into each other’s keeping. For only the hand of Life can contain your hearts. And stand together, yet not too near together: For the pillars of the temple stand apart, And the oak tree and the cypress grow not in each other’s shadow.”

    Good thing the John Anderson fella from my post above (re. the Las Vegas shooting) did not subscribe to closely to this philosophy with those he loved.

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  97. Ame says:

    i like that.

    don’t think it’s how my grandparents worked 🙂

    ‘let there be spaces in your togetherness’ … lots of wisdom in there.

    is that the line you chose to write about?

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  98. RichardP says:

    Yes. I think that is the reason I remember the line – even though I don’t remember what I wrote.

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