Unshakable Belief


I often find myself as something of a contrarian within the manosphere – not because I am blue pill, but because I am more optimistic about the future than most.

There seems to be broad agreement that the current state of affairs between men and women is not sustainable, that it will reset at some point, but there is much debate on the nature of that reset. Many see a social environment so far ‘gone’ down the female empowerment road that only a huge event will correct it, and that we are a long way from that happening (and we are), whereas my feel is that the event, when it comes, will not be as dramatic as perhaps imagined and that it is a lot closer than most people might think. To be fair, the former assessment has the balance of manosphere opinion on it’s side but this doom laden scenario doesn’t gel with my sense of what’s unfolding.

I base my position on a number of observations which seem to me to intersect to create the dynamic in play;
1) Women’s inability to do cause and effect. Women, far more than men, live in the here and now. They have far less understanding of how choices made in the past brought them to the present, nor where the choices they make now will take them in the future. Which leads to….
2) The nature of fear in women compared to men. Both men and women experience fear, but due to women’s lack of ability to do cause and effect the way men do, they don’t see things coming. Things just ‘happen’ to them – just listen to how they describe such incidents. They don’t ‘just happen’ of course – these bad things happen mostly (obviously not always) as a result of decisions they have previously made. Decisions for which they had been mostly unable to see the consequences. Some men are like this too – weak men – but most men give at least some consideration and thought to the likely consequences of their actions before taking them. Which means….
3) That there is less of a gradual build up to fear in women than in men. Men can generally sense when things are going south way before women can. The escalation may not be linear but men can often sense things early enough to take steps to avoid, mitigate or prepare for the approaching danger. Women rarely display such pre-cognition. For them it is much more a case of ‘I’m fine – I’m fine – I’m fine – oh shit!’ I have seen this happen many times.

These dynamics are happening in an environment of male disengagement; not so much from women, but from all the roles that men traditionally fulfilled; husband, father, provider, protector, guide, mentor. Men have stepped away from these roles as the State has pushed them out and then replaced them, mostly imperfectly, with state substitutes.

Right now women take all these substitutions for granted; for most women they have been there all their lives. They can’t conceive that they will ever NOT be there.

And this is, I think, the tripwire for the change. For the State has run out of money to pay for these substitute services. And when the serious cuts happen (as they must, and are) they will mostly happen all at once. Women will not be faced with just a cut or reduction in one or two areas, but on multiple fronts. Government cutbacks will likely occur alongside private sector layoffs, alongside social unrest, alongside the broken family structures that in the past they could have fallen back on.

I’m not talking about a complete social / economic collapse – another recession will be all it takes (we haven’t really recovered from the last one – we’re just limping along on a faux recovery paid for by more debt). I’m not cheer-leading this – this is obviously going to be horrible for everyone, men, women and children. But in the context of the overall dynamic the negative effects will be disproportionately felt by women (just as women have disproportionately benefited from the introduction of these services and freedoms over the last few decades – it’s really nothing more than a re-balancing).

The state that feminism has left men in will act as a force multiplier to women’s misery. As the government stops being able to support and subsidize women’s choices and freedoms, and jobs become easier to loose and harder to find, women will look to men for help. And whilst they will find many men willing to help them, the only men they are truly interested in – those both willing and ABLE to help – will be in short supply.

The key thing to understand is how small the number of women affected needs to be to effect change in the mass of women. It has been found that only 10% of a general population needs to hold an unshakable belief before it is inevitably adopted by the whole population. Given that women are extremely sensitive to changes in the herd I wouldn’t be surprised if this figure is reduced when it comes to an all female population. My point is that it will likely only take around 8 to 10% of the cohort of single / uncommitted young women to believe that they are screwed without a decent man, for the belief to propagate to the overwhelming majority of the female population. Note – it won’t need 8 to 10% of such women to actually BE screwed, just for 8 to 10% to BELIEVE they are screwed, for this to take effect. Only a small number of women actually have to suffer before the belief take on it’s own reality. And women will tend to believe it because this new, uncertain, unsafe situation will have just ‘happened’ to them out of ‘no-where’ – at least that is how it will seem to the mass of women.

Women’s natural response, I think, will be to latch on to men, even if they are just willing to help (rather than willing AND able to help) as even this will likely be an better strategy for most women than going it alone in a world without much social, government or family help. And women instinctively know how to play nice when they want something from a man.

I have been closely watching the comment sections of MSM articles for nearly a decade with my red pill glasses on. Ten years ago a red pill comment was rare and uniformly mocked and attacked. Now they are sometimes in the majority, often well articulated and clearly thought through. I may be seeing what I want to see, but to my eyes at least, there is now an undercurrent of red-pill understanding out there and if it has one characteristic it is the unshakable belief of the red pill men and women in the truth of their position. I’d say we’re not far from that 10% ourselves.

[Here are some replies — FB]

Deti:

And women instinctively know how to play nice when they want something from a man.

That’s a lot to digest, and I’ll likely have a more fulsome response later. But this one sentence stood out to me.

Isn’t this just a suggestion of more female manipulation? Women are master manipulators, and exceedingly good at concealing their true motivations. If women are going to “play nice”, men are going to have to accept that nice, but only on their terms. At least for me, any “playing nice” is going to be met with extreme suspicion. It can’t be just “playing” nice either. It will have to be sincere nice, submissive nice, and “we’ll be doing it your way” nice. Because relationships with women will have to be on men’s terms, or not at all.

MGTOW Horseman:

Cadders.

Brilliant analysis. Exactly the departure predicted.

But.

You are assuming the men will then forgive and forget. That they will
A) believe or fall for the I will play nice routine
B) have the skills to pick up the pieces as many young men are disincented to take hard skills, courses
C) give up the alternatives they have created i.e. mgtow lifestyle, hookup, porn\sexdolls.

It is the 45 year old frivorcee who has burned through the alimony and her looks and no job skills looking for the beta saveahoe….on a societal level.

It will fall as you outline. The coming demographics should put it by 2025 (only 7 years out).

But the men, mostly self reliant bachelors will say to the government and the womenz
“Uh, No. Thanks. I’m good. I’ll be over here drinking my beer and watching.”

Even if women get “nice” (cough cough).
What is the incentive to pick them back up.

Its like your ex coming back after ten years crying “I was such a fool.”

Brilliant analysis by Ian Ironwood at the old Red Pill Room. Apply this on a societal scale.

http://theredpillroom.blogspot.ca/2013/03/youre-just-going-through-stage.html 

These two ideas are incongruent to your solution.

“but most men give at least some consideration and thought to the likely consequences of their actions before taking them. Which means….
3) That there is less of a gradual build up to fear in women than in men. Men can generally sense when things are going south way before women can. The escalation may not be linear but men can often sense things early enough to take steps to avoid, mitigate or prepare for the approaching danger.”

And

“Women’s natural response, I think, will be to latch on to men, even if they are just willing to help (rather than willing AND able to help) as even this will likely be an better strategy for most women than going it alone in a world without much social, government or family help. And women instinctively know how to play nice when they want something from a man.”

Men will see the danger. Men will see the latching on, men will see the outcome of allowing the latching on, men will extrapolate the known fickle nature of women.
If men “save them” the moment it is safe, the womenz will revert.

THE Underpinning of why men will say no thanks??

Womens being nice is not a belief in being nice!
It is as you said “an better strategy for most women than going it alone…”
It is a tactic, an act. And men are just plain tired of putting up with bullshit.
The vindictive ones will fan the flames, but the average guy
Will Just Prefer to Not Get Involved.

A generation of Bombadils.

BV:

1. We’ve already reached — and crossed — the tipping point wherein the government super-ordinates females. In the history of democracies, no dominant interest group has forfeited its legal and financial primacy.

2. ” … and if it has one characteristic it is the unshakable belief of the red pill men and women in the truth of their position.” What red pill women? Where? If there were red pill women they would address the conditions in item 1), above. Even Camille Paglia won’t do that.

3. Gosh, men sure have crappy memories, don’t they. A smile and a backrub, and all is forgotten! This is the “men are just unthinking dicks with a billfold” approach to male intelligence and agency.

4. “Come back, come back; I’ll be nice this time!” This is currently in use to poor effect by middle-aged females. It doesn’t work. Men do not have crappy memories, do they? If your premise — that men think abstractly about time and outcomes — is correct, “I’ll be nice this time” has the same probability of success as “Pretend I’m 19 years old, okay? C’mon, be body positive.”

5. I think you’re badly underestimating how berserk the blue pill men and the institutions they run (law, religion, legal, academia, culture) will become if the fairer sex is in any way inconvenienced by economic malaise. They’ll just continue to strip mine the recalcitrant men. I suppose that could end badly after a few hundred years and we’d inhabit a post-apocalyptic world like that in Cormac McCarthy’s “The Road”. And I suppose I could pass out and wake up as a principal in “Blade Runner.” Plus, unicorns.

Disagree? Tell the cop who responds to a domestic violence false accusation “Don’t be silly. Besides, we’re all equal here and both of us have the right to due process.” Or, the next time you get pulled over for speeding, break down in hysterical tears. Or, tell your pastor that your wife has obligations to you under marriage, not the sole authority to measure your “fitness.” Or, tell an elementary school teacher to quit picking on your son and let him have recess twice a day. Or, turn on a TV and count to 100 without seeing a man portrayed as sick, violent or a wus. Publish a novel in which the man is a hero and the woman is a conniving psychopath. Tell your legislator that women should have to register for the draft just as young men do. None of these things are going to change.

We live in a world in which women are legally, financially, and professionally peers to men. (This means they have superior rights, but I’m sticking with the feminist talking point.) At the same time, women — under a proposed new law in France — will be able to arrest a man for requesting her phone number. And she wouldn’t even have to report the “crime” when it happened — it could be reported at a time indefinite in the future. The system is Rollo’s “two sets of books.” They’re not giving that up now, and they’re not going to do so in the future.

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So we’re past the tipping point. Institutions and 99% of the female population like the status quo. There are no social entrepreneurs to re-create society. One cannot re-engineer human souls.

What will happen is that money (a man’s business, his farm, his law practice, his public employee pension) will be isolated from whatever social activities (i.e., romance) he chooses to pursue. Children will be raised like prized farm animals, with neither a stable home nor emotionally secure framework in which to develop. Some men and women will achieve friendship and intimacy, but it will occur in an environment of genial caution, skepticism, and longterm distrust. Women will still change their minds more than men do, and there still will be no braking social influence to prevent it. This will not change just because the government (your scenario) goes broke; what has changed in the last generation has been the ability of a woman to rain down the government on any man she wishes to “leverage”, for personal benefit. IOW, what has changed is that (as you note) the government is now a man’s partner for life, if he wants to raise children with a woman.

But per today, the greatest risk to any independent man will not be a woman; it will be the blue pill, white knighting men who are driven insane by the notion that some men do not live in harness, afraid and starving, as do they. After all, it is those miscreant men their blue pill wives are thinking about, if they think about men.

Cadders World:

For red pill men, it is much easier to reject women just ‘playing nice’, and I agree that for most red-pill men, this will not be enough to get them back on the reservation. But my read is that there is such a thirst out there among men in general for femininity that huge numbers of men will be ‘turned’ by it. For many younger men it is likely to prove quite shocking, as many will never have experienced true femininity in their lives at all (an indictment to how far so many women have fallen) – which will make it all the more powerful.

And this, I think, is the outcome we should aim for; the mass of women behaving like, well, women again.

But there are two wildcards here;

1) Bait and switch. Will women fake femininity to seal the deal and then switch to bitch? Quite possibly – we have decades of examples (generally using sex rather than femininity) that demonstrate that just about all women are capable of this, even if they choose not to behave in such a way. But it is far harder to fake femininity than it is to simply be sexually available. Femininity, by it’s nature, expresses itself in ALL of a woman’s behaviors. She can’t just be feminine in some areas and not in others, at some times and not at others. Femininity expresses it’s authenticity in it’s consistency. And it’s very power over men provides the checks and balances that guard against it being used for bait and switch; men are often mesmerized by authentic femininity, literally finding it hard to look away from a feminine woman. Trying to fake that consistently when under such intense scrutiny from the male gaze is, I would say, beyond the wit of the vast majority of women. Men will be vetting women far harder, and importantly, for longer than they do now when the prize is ‘merely’ sex. And this vetting will happen mostly unconsciously – for really this is men testing for mate fitness. At it’s most basic femininity is a proxy for measuring the fitness of a women to breed with. Men are simply wired to make this assessment. Only in the last 50 years have women been told to reject femininity and men men told to suppress their natural assessment of it. You can’t change 500,000 years of evolution with 50 years of a failed ideology, and as femininity starts to re-appear these natural instincts in men and women will re-assert themselves with no need for the huge amounts of money, time and effort it has taken to suppress them.

And there is something else here as well – I have nothing to back this up except my gut – but I suspect a subversive ‘fake it til you make it’ dynamic would also come into play here. Long a mantra men new to Game, it think it would also act on women, but less consciously; for I suspect it is hard to fake femininity for any length of time without actually becoming feminine. Just about all women have the true feminine inside them – and faking it would inevitably tap into it. I suspect that once they see the power of their femininity (and make no mistake, femininity and submission ARE female power, in relation to men) many would continue down the road to authenticity. Just like men, many women too have never experienced true femininity.

2) The cohort of men who are not red-pill, but are not much bothered about women either. I think it was Deti who pointed out that with so many men having been dis-enfranchised for so long, many of them have no to little interest in spending much time, money or energy on a woman. These men might make an effort, but it’s not going to be much and they often quickly loose interest. Women have declined in value to them to the point that a video game, Netflix, porn or a hobby offers more reward. And here I wonder if even femininity has the power to change their behaviors or ignite their interest. And this cohort, I suspect, is HUGE. And it’s very size and apathy (when it comes to women) is another factor in bolstering the change in women’s behaviour. These men may be ‘turned’ by femininity but they are less likely to stay the distance if a women is not consistent in her behaviours. Not through any red-pill perspective, but simply because poor behaviour from a women places her back on the ‘not as good as the alternatives’ category. The very fact that these men aren’t red-pill is what gives this dynamic it’s power – there is no need for them to reached out to and informed, they are just doing what men always do; study their environment, understand it, and behave rationally according to it.

TPTB will no doubt do everything in their power to stamp on all manifestations of femininity. But the ultimately they will fail. No regime in history has ever succeeded, and none ever will.

BV:

“These men may be ‘turned’ by femininity but they are less likely to stay the distance if a women is not consistent in her behaviours.”

This is what I see: endemic inconsistency. The woman I’m seeing at present is a tomboy engineer who does classified cybersecurity: not a shrinking violet. Can swear like a sailer, and does (her father was a captain in the surface fleet, before the surface fleet was a bunch of SJWs). One moment I’m dealing with “motherfucker, you know what I want” and the next, I’m talking to Nancy Drew. It would be better if, when I’m getting the Gulf of Tonkin treatment, that a red strobe started flashing so I could adjust my behavior and clear all the sensitive documents off my desk.

You see, in the last year or two, that apparently swearing promiscuously is feminist cred. A U.S. Senator (Gilliebrand) in a public speech actually said “shit” and the world swooned. If you graze the various wanna-be pundits on Twitter, any female on the left is trying out her bad language skills. It’s very strange. They don’t even do it very well. Used to be that girls only talked like a hooker in bed.

I don’t see femininity making much of a comeback, if by that we mean decorous, kind and respectful, femininity. The girlfriends veto that behavior. It’s the new normal. Everyone is just going to have to develop his dirty talk kink.

Deti:

For red pill men, it is much easier to reject women just ‘playing nice’, and I agree that for most red-pill men, this will not be enough to get them back on the reservation. But my read is that there is such a thirst out there among men in general for femininity that huge numbers of men will be ‘turned’ by it. For many younger men it is likely to prove quite shocking, as many will never have experienced true femininity in their lives at all (an indictment to how far so many women have fallen) – which will make it all the more powerful.

But this undercuts the entire argument. Because if this happens, and they’re just “playing nice”, then there won’t be a reset of any kind, and nothing will have really “changed”. Because the women will still be conniving bitches, the men will still be beta bitchbois who will put up with all manner of shit for the ever-elusive sexytimes. And it will “change” until she doesn’t get something she wants, or he steps out of line.

This whole “playing nice” is the thing that really gets me, I guess.

Sure, I suppose there’s some “fake it till you make it”. But any change, any real, sincere change, to actually make things better and avoid cataclysm, would have to be deep and lasting, as well as willing to subordinate itself to the good of men and families – to the common good. They would have to submit to their men, I mean REALLY submit, not just make it look like they’re submitting, not playacting at submitting, and not submitting for some other purpose or to achieve some other end.

And I just don’t see that happening, even among today’s most “aware” women. Even the most “red pilled” women, the most insightful, self-aware, self introspecting women, can get all feelings-sopped, gossipy, bitchy, emotions driven, and in need of stabilization.

BV’s “come back! Come back! We’ll play nice this time!” really rings true to me. It just looks to me like Lucy setting up the football for yet another go-around.

Ladies: I don’t believe you, I don’t trust you, and I’m not going to stake my life, fortune and retirement on the notion that “it’ll be different this time around”. And i don’t think it’s a good idea to bank on men’s thirst for pussy as driving this thing either. That’s part of what got us into this mess in the first place, and it’s part of what gets men into trouble all the time. It’s part of what got me to the Red Pill, and it’s part of why BV has a son he hasn’t seen in a couple of years.

If any of you want to hitch your wagon to mine, your wagon will no longer be “your wagon”. Your stuff, your ass, your life, belongs to me and i will decide what will be done with it. Don’t like it? You’re on your own, and good luck to you. Find some beta bitchboi to pay the freight and write the checks.

Have you all noticed something?

The current state of affairs has it so women don’t respect men. And why should they? Women have no reason to. Women earn their own money, and can do almost everything men can do in today’s automated information-age society. Women don’t need men.

And there are a lot of men who don’t do anything to engender respect. Not even a little bit respectable.

And the current state of affairs has it so men don’t love or care about women. And why should they? Men have no reason to. The top men can get sex from women without even knowing their names, much less caring about them, much less loving them. Most other men can get occasional sex, and marriage, but a lot of those men have “meh” sex lives at best with their wives, causing them to hate their wives. And men who can’t get sex have porn, and maybe the occasional hooker. Men no longer need women, and when the sexbots come, the obsolescence of vagina will be complete.

And there are a lot of women who are completely unloveable. I mean, not even a little bit loveable.

Finally, the current state of affairs has it so women don’t trust men, and men don’t trust women. The resentments run so deep, the fears so widespread, the legal and economic ramifications so severe, unforgiving and permanent, that there’s no basis even for dialogue about trust to be had, much less for someone to make a move in either direction.

MGTOW Horseman:

Basic tenant of rationalism: accept things for what they are.

Woman are women. They cannot change their underlying nature any more than men can stop problem solving or being competitive.

Society now sees womens’ nature, it flaunts it.
So many men are individually disengaging without hearing of mgtow or red pill.

That is why the reset will not hold.
Women will adjust as a movement ” new feminism ” or whatever but it will be a herd movement.

But the mens’ reaction will be individual. One man at a time.
Each man saying “Do I trust this? Do I even Want this? Is it better than the stuff\interests I already have?”

Recall the fall is precated on enough men withdrawing tnbat it causes the current steady state to run out or resources, otherwise it is self sustaining indefinitely.

If that many men (10-20% as Cadders points out) then most of them have to buy into the “new feminism” to reset. Some will absolutely.

But because it was not a movement but an individual withdrawl I don’t see that many men changing back in numbers large enough to reset. Even if it does, it will take absolutely nothing for women to blow it again and men to hair trigger withdrawl again.

As I said before, we have made life from a team to an individual sport.
And individual men don’t like to lose.

Deti:

Even the most “red pilled” women, the most insightful, self-aware, self introspecting women, can get all feelings-sopped, gossipy, bitchy, emotions driven, and in need of stabilization.

Judgy Bitch is one of the best “red pilled” women there is – insightful and incisive. Yet witness her slow motion train wreckage/near self immolation here:

http://judgybitch.com/2016/10/25/martial-arts-mens-rights-and-what-it-means-to-be-a-man/

my husband does not like the person I am when I fight, and yet, my heart shatters at the thought of stopping. I have not become someone new. I have simply allowed the person I have always been to emerge. This is a painful and troubling time for me. It is disturbing to understand I am creating barriers and walls, separating myself from the man I have known and loved for almost all of my adult life, and yet I feel nothing but the most overwhelming grief to think of not continuing to train.

Translation: I’m becoming a badass bitch who trains martial arts, and i can feel myself losing attraction for my husband.

Asking myself difficult questions leads to some unpleasant conclusions. Is my husband a good man? Most assuredly. Is he good at being a man? Not really. No. Measured in terms of being a good provider, he is absolutely good at being a man. Measured in terms of his ability to physically defend us, with blood and muscle and sinew and sweat? Nope. Not a chance. In his mind, that doesn’t matter. He can pay ‘meatheads’ (his words, not mine) to provide security for us. Or he can rely on me.

Translation: My husband is a beta bitchboi provider. But i now view him as a gigantic pussy, because I’ve been training martial arts with BAMF “real men”. It sickens me to think that to defend my family, he would rely on me.

When I am training in the woods with a class, and I walk beside my main instructor, people get the fuck out of our way.

Translation: I am tingling hard, REALLY hard, for my main instructor. And I really like walking beside my main instructor. Like, a whole lot.

If I were her husband, the divorce papers would be on file the next day.

And this is a red pill woman, going all gushy and dissolving into puddles with her martial arts instructor, and shittalking her husband ON A PUBLIC BLOG where PEOPLE KNOW HER REAL NAME and thus know HIS real name. Don’t tell me Tim Hardie didn’t read that. You KNOW he did.

Is this “playing nice”?

MGTOW Horseman:

I think it is going to get bad for women as in on the street survival mode.

It will fall along how cadders and deti said. The demographics, birthrates, labour participation rates etc all point to it. The feminist, SJW, Welfare systems will run out of other peoples money. Non jobs will be slashed mostly hitting women and betas. Consumption will fall.
There will be a social outcry. “Save us, feed us, protect us”.

The men with abilities will look at it and either “pledge yourself to me” ala Deti, self isolate Bombadil like me, “fuck yourself” like many or just “Mmmm No, good luck.” Walking away.

The men and their familes\harems will be fine working, trading, living between themselves like the old city states. The gated communities, the closed shops based on guild (skills) not union, the self supporting rural communities.
It may be a fine time of mutual support like the town in Little House On The Prarie. But entrance will be steep, tested and banishment will be ever present.

The rest will scramble for sustenance selling, trading whatever they have of worth. Not actual street living but being like an endentured mcdonalds job class. Like the lower castes in asia or most of inner city Detroit or Washington. Nothing jobs, crime, violence.
Worst of all abandonment by those who can.

Why do ghettoes exist. Cause no one gives a shit about the people there.

All those women. No families to care about them. No skills of economic value. No attractiveness to trade. No ability to be self sustaining. If no one cares how can it not descend into ghettos.

And as long as those riff raff stay out of where the good people live….

Yup. Its gonna be ugly as that broad Spawny keeps posting.

BV:

I guess perfect “red pill woman” J. Bitch changed her mind about “her needs” on her “journey.” Shocker.

I told a couple of stories about a college professor I dated three times, a while ago. She was the one who, I found out, has the wife who is “transitioning” to be a man; latter had the surgery and the haircut! She apparently went back and forth to the former lesbian-now-pretend-man. Anyway, I stopped paying attention.

BTW, there are children at home, from when the prof was married to a man who came equipped with a penis. They’re witness and participant to all this.

So the other night, not having talked to her even at the campus, for a year, I receive a text:

“BV! I’m at the Lounge!”

That’s it. This woman is a respectable professional. She’s also gained 30 pounds. She’s over 40. I’m searching for the value proposition. Shall I ask her if she’s going to be rational and nice this time? One of us is crazy. Shall I just hope that she will fake it for a while, so I can pretend she’s someone she’s not? Maybe Deti will sort it out for me.

MGTOW Horseman:

Why a “I’m nice now” reset individually or societally will never be believed. You can’t forget this shit.

https://dalrock.wordpress.com/2017/09/20/the-one-obstacle-she-cant-remove/

From some feminists book

“Finkel’s unsettling observations reminded me of something Susan Pease Gadoua, co-author of “The New I Do,” told me in July: It’s helpful to know you have an “out” of your marriage. That is, if one or both people grow out of the relationship, it might be upsetting, but it won’t be shameful to leave.”

And

“The implication for marriage is, if you accept that you might grow out of your relationship — or your partner might — you’re freeing yourself to be in the marriage because you want to, and not because you have to.”

Um. They are confusing marriage with a long term “you have your house I have mine but we screw and have fun” relationship.

What fucking moron would ever enter into such a predicament, even at gunpoint.
At least the guy in the alley with the gun is honest “gimme your shit”.

Nope. Now that this shit is out in the mainstream, the nature of womenz is forever known.
You cannot unknow it.

BV:

It’s almost like there are unilateral parenting, social, financial and legal benefits that accrue to one of the parties, irrespective of outcome.

In finance we just call this a “free option.” Only bad deals contain an option that the option-holder can execute profitably — without compensating the counter-party for the privilege.

Cadders World:

Deti & BV – thanks for your comments to mine above. I was putting together a response and realised it would probably work as another blog post – I’ll give it more thought bung it over to our esteemed hosts in due course

Re JB – that comment I posted on that thread about her trainer was the last I every made on her blog iirc. I was a fairly regular commenter over there for a time, but after that post I never returned. Not through any kind of considered reaction. Simply because of a reaction I had at the thought of doing so.

Disgust.

It took me by a bit by surprise to find that she now disgusted me. Furthermore it was an instinctive reaction. Clearly I was not alone. But I think this feeling of disgust at modern women, and at their duplicity is increasing among men and is an important component in how this all resets.

Lots to think about.

Stephanie:

You were warning us women to stay away from situations where temptation could happen – to “flee temptation” when you’re near it and be on guard for it always… I think she should have realized what was happening way before she wrote that post and stopped training with martial arts (and apparently the men training her) if it was making her think less of her husband (and it clearly was). There are apparently A LOT of women who cheat with just their personal trainers at regular gyms that it’s practically a known joke. And those trainers aren’t grappling and sitting on top of them, etc. You could make a good argument that no women should be fighting with men (who aren’t their husband) like that… it could almost simulate a rape scene… which unfortunately turns on things in a woman’s brain that you don’t want turned on (think war wives syndrome or something where they **accept** their new “partner” in order for survival).

Why she didn’t stop once she realized what was happening in her mind – that she was making internal agreements with herself that these male trainers were “better men” than her husband, I don’t know, but it’s pretty clear she understood what was happening and carried it to completion (a full culmination of **deciding** her husband was “not good at being a man” compared to these other men).

I think it’s one of those situations you said before where yes, all women could be subject to that kind of thing if they allowed it to happen. I trained in dance for years with a gay male instructor… this is no small thing since dance is seductive and physical… he at one point even used me as his example of teaching us how to flip each other over our backs in pairs. So there was hands on flipping over his back action. He was basically female in a way that’s hard to describe, and wanted to be viewed that way obviously. He embraced full-on emasculation and it had become his identity so this being flipped over him was barely a blip on my radar. It would have been a whole different ball-game if he had been some extremely masculine dance instructor that made me “tingle”… and then was “man-handling” me, flipping me over his back. That would have been insanely hard to not get turned on by, even as a virginal teen. That is what JB was doing (as a freaking married woman) 😦 and KEPT doing even when it started making her think her husband was “not good at being a man.” Just insane!

Ame:

​Feminism has succeeded in taking the social restraints and boundaries ​away from women giving them little, if any, reason to flee temptation and develop and maintain a life of self-discipline / self-control – which is synonymous with having a sound mind.

And Cadders is right … it IS disgusting. what is tragic, though, is that women (in general) are so numb to their behavior that they no longer find it disgusting anymore. It’s become their normal. The restraints have been removed that scream, “This is wrong!” so we justify ourselves and think we get away with it. God will not be mocked; sin leads to death, and men and children are the ones who experience this death most profoundly.

Deti:

Let me tell you what it’s like being a man in late 20th/early 21st century United Socialist States of America.

You grow up learning absolutely nothing about how to relate to women. Everything you’re told is 180 degrees away from accurate. You’re given literally NO useful information AT ALL. NONE. From birth you’re told that you need to be something, make something of yourself. You have no intrinsic worth unless you are useful and helpful to others. And you need to obey. Sit down. Shut up. Don’t do that. Don’t touch that. Don’t go there. Learn this. Don’t learn that. That’s wrong/immoral/bullshit/outdated. Go here. Read this. Don’t read that. Don’t watch that. Don’t listen to that.

Then you’re told you’re a racist and a sexist. Because you’re a white man, you’re automatically, by definition, racist and sexist. You can’t understand this, because you’ve never done anything like what they’re saying you did, and you’ve never said anything like what they claim you’ve said.

You do what little they do tell you to do, which is to get good grades, keep your nose clean, and be friends with everyone. Or try to be friends with everyone. You don’t get why you’re just one of the average guys, and no one really seems to like you.

So you’ve escaped the hell that is American secondary education with your diploma in hand. You’re off to university, where you’re going to figure out what else to do with your life and what Job You Will Hold. There, you’re again told you’re a racist and a sexist, but this time they add “rapist” to your titles. This is even more weird, and insulting, because you’ve never raped anyone, ever. You wouldn’t even think of raping a woman. Well, you’re told, you can rape a girlfriend, you can rape a date. Date rape is a horrible thing.

And yet, girls are interested in you. But you have to be their friend. You can’t approach, you can’t escalate, you can’t touch. If you want anything sexual you must, MUST, ask permission for anything and everything you want. You cannot just take it, you cannot just act. You cannot be bold. That’s rape. Just taking is rape. Just acting and taking initiative is rape. Boldness is being a cocky asshole, and women don’t like cocky assholes. (Except… they kinda do like cocky assholes…. And this one time I kissed this girl, and she kissed me back, and started taking off her clothes.. and she grabbed my dick….

NO NO NO NO NO!! They DO NOT like cocky assholes! They like nice men! They are sexually attracted to nice, kind, good hearted, affable, and friendly!! Don’t pay attention to what you’re seeing over there!! They are LYING to you!!! The only girls who like cocky assholes are slutty, stupid, broken, damaged, or crazy! If you date one of “those girls” you’ll be like THEM. You don’t want to be like them, do you? Well, DO YOU??!! ANSWER ME!!

You’ve got to prove it all day, every day. Every single waking minute of every day you are under the microscope. And it could all come crashing down any minute. One wrong move, one ill-timed statement, one crude joke, one misstep in misreading a girl’s cues, and I’m dead. My dreams of becoming a lawyer? Gone. If I get accused of anything, I’ll never finish school, I’ll never get into law school, I’ll never be anything. And if I can’t work, I can’t make money, and no one will ever want me or love me. It will all be over and gone in a flash, and there is NOTHING I can do about it.

That’s what it was like.

 

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  1. thedeti says:

    And women instinctively know how to play nice when they want something from a man.

    That’s a lot to digest, and I’ll likely have a more fulsome response later. But this one sentence stood out to me.

    Isn’t this just a suggestion of more female manipulation? Women are master manipulators, and exceedingly good at concealing their true motivations. If women are going to “play nice”, men are going to have to accept that nice, but only on their terms. At least for me, any “playing nice” is going to be met with extreme suspicion. It can’t be just “playing” nice either. It will have to be sincere nice, submissive nice, and “we’ll be doing it your way” nice. Because relationships with women will have to be on men’s terms, or not at all.

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  2. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    There is something else that may add value to Cadder’s post, The US government just past the twenty trillion dollar mark on the national debt. They can’t kick this can down the road much longer and subsidizing women at the expense of men to the point where men are effectively cuckolded can’t go on. Women as a voting bloc are not worth that much as they failed to carry Hillary into office.

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  3. Ame says:

    “For them it is much more a case of ‘I’m fine – I’m fine – I’m fine – oh shit!’”

    ummm … yeah, i do that 😉

    – – – – –

    “Note – it won’t need 8 to 10% of such women to actually BE screwed, just for 8 to 10% to BELIEVE they are screwed, for this to take effect.”

    it always amuses/shocks me at how little it takes to create widespread panic/change. after Harvey hit and something about a pipeline being closed and all the sudden there are lines at the gas pumps in texas – people freaking out for NO REASON b/c there was plenty of gas, but one stupid someone implied there *might* not be and thousands of people are freaking out … for NO REASON.

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  4. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Farm Boy,
    I had forgotten about that photo. Yes, Hillary had to be carried, literally.

    Another thought, without all these government provided subsidies to women inflating their sense of worth, hypergamy may be blown out of the water.

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  5. I have also long believed so. It doesn’t take much to turn the herd. And women will abandon the current social norms in an instant if they believe its in their favor. Once the alpha mares, or even a few influential ones, ditch the current thinking, the rest will follow.

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  6. SFC Ton says:

    Lomg term the problem for women isn’t them coming to their senses and acting right

    The long term problem is a whole shit ton of dudes will remember what women are really like. Hopefully enough to ensure women lose the vote, property rights etc etc

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  7. Stephanie says:

    “after Harvey hit and something about a pipeline being closed and all the sudden there are lines at the gas pumps in texas – people freaking out for NO REASON b/c there was plenty of gas,”

    LOL yea, even our oldest son couldn’t understand why all the adults were running around like chickens with their heads cut off – and he’s barely turned 7!!

    A seven year old, very masculine and smart little boy, was smarter than our adorable, mid-40’s female neighbor who was absolutely sure this was real and scolded me at 10pm (almost was shot since I only think of one thing when someone is banging on the door that late) to

    “GO GET YOUR GAS STEPHANIE!!! ITS RUNNING OUT!!!!!!!!!!”

    lol… I do love her though.

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  8. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Off topic. A feminist is campaigning to create an all female dog park in Sweden. All female humans and dogs. They have gone off the deep end.
    https://squawker.org/world/swedish-feminist-crusades-against-dog-patriarchy/

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  9. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    I think this is the pet human’s idea. Dogs have more sense.

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  10. Cadders.

    Brilliant analysis. Exactly the departure predicted.

    But.

    You are assuming the men will then forgive and forget. That they will
    A) believe or fall for the I will play nice routine
    B) have the skills to pick up the pieces as many young men are disincented to take hard skills, courses
    C) give up the alternatives they have created i.e. mgtow lifestyle, hookup, porn\sexdolls.

    It is the 45 year old frivorcee who has burned through the alimony and her looks and no job skills looking for the beta saveahoe….on a societal level.

    It will fall as you outline. The coming demographics should put it by 2025 (only 7 years out).

    But the men, mostly self reliant bachelors will say to the government and the womenz
    “Uh, No. Thanks. I’m good. I’ll be over here drinking my beer and watching.”

    Even if women get “nice” (cough cough).
    What is the incentive to pick them back up.

    Its like your ex coming back after ten years crying “I was such a fool.”

    Brilliant analysis by Ian Ironwood at the old Red Pill Room. Apply this on a societal scale.

    http://theredpillroom.blogspot.ca/2013/03/youre-just-going-through-stage.html

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  11. It actually will be a good time for self actualized men.
    Both the government and society (women) will desperately need them.

    Those that are not reliant on the government i.e. have skills will be able to set their terms.

    But I think the idealism and for god and country that would be needed is simply not there.
    Libitarianism will be the core idea.

    Honestly can you see Ton or Deti (or me) really helping out the poor womenz?
    Fuck em maybe but save them? Nah.

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  12. These two ideas are incongruent to your solution.

    “but most men give at least some consideration and thought to the likely consequences of their actions before taking them. Which means….
    3) That there is less of a gradual build up to fear in women than in men. Men can generally sense when things are going south way before women can. The escalation may not be linear but men can often sense things early enough to take steps to avoid, mitigate or prepare for the approaching danger.”

    And

    “Women’s natural response, I think, will be to latch on to men, even if they are just willing to help (rather than willing AND able to help) as even this will likely be an better strategy for most women than going it alone in a world without much social, government or family help. And women instinctively know how to play nice when they want something from a man.”

    Men will see the danger. Men will see the latching on, men will see the outcome of allowing the latching on, men will extrapolate the known fickle nature of women.
    If men “save them” the moment it is safe, the womenz will revert.

    THE Underpinning of why men will say no thanks??

    Womens being nice is not a belief in being nice!
    It is as you said “an better strategy for most women than going it alone…”
    It is a tactic, an act. And men are just plain tired of putting up with bullshit.
    The vindictive ones will fan the flames, but the average guy
    Will Just Prefer to Not Get Involved.

    A generation of Bombadils.

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  13. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    You are making me feel sleepy, very sleepy.

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  14. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    The vanity of feminists is without bounds.
    http://bobagard.blogspot.com/2017/09/frankly-i-do-better-job-of-being.html

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  15. RichardP says:

    fuzzie – I can’t tell if you are being serious or tongue-in-cheek. That is a joke piece from the Babylon Bee – kind of like the Onion for religious issues.

    http://babylonbee.com/

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  16. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    RichardP,
    I was taken in. Bob has never done a tongue in cheek post that I have seen. Still, the problem with feminists is that it is all too easy to apply Poe’s Law.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law

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  17. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    The good news is that somebody read my link.

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  18. Yoda says:

    Poe’s Law applies it does.
    Very believable that an SJW type believe that they are more Christlike than Christ they are.

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  19. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Yoda,
    We both link a lot of stuff. It is quite possible to be taken in. I will be careful with sources.

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  20. Spawny Get says:

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  21. Spawny Get says:

    “I will be careful with sources.”

    If you want. Just put a smiley after it if you wish. When the BBC starts using reliable sources, maybe I’ll start being more careful. But they don’t, so.

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  22. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Spawny Get,
    That did make me feel better. However, I think the BBC may be using sources that tell them what they want to hear.

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  23. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    This may be of interest. She is right. Women are teasing men and shaming those they are not attracted to for looking. It is malicious.

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  24. Honestly can you see Ton or Deti (or me) really helping out the poor womenz?
    Fuck em maybe but save them? Nah.

    Please add the Headhunter to your list of deplorables. It really will Whores and Ale, mates (too late?)!

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  25. Spawny Get says:

    YAY. A lot of similarity with Trump in the US, I reckon

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  26. Spawny Get says:

    Cleavage – Women do love to attention ho. Why? Because it works with blue-pill men that they want to saddle and exploit and with the guys that just want a fuck-buddy (for the night).

    The solution is to red-pill the blue pill guys.

    And red-pill the women about the ‘bad’ guys…assuming that they are willing to be red-pilled. I have my doubts over most of them being willing TBH.

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  27. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Spawny Get,
    The word is getting out there. It is person to person at the grass roots.

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  28. Spawny Get says:

    A special treat for the longtimers hereabouts

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  29. Yoda says:

    On the moon she is.
    Oddly the same gravity as Earth it would be

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  30. “It actually will be a good time for self actualized men.”

    Here’s an area I would like some advice. I have learned how to fix the carb on my mower as well as how to replace the string on the starter from youtube videos. I have started during basic maintenance on my newly acquired ’71 CL 175. I have built computers from scratch and replaced switches and belts in my old washer and dryer, put in new vanities and sinks, (I suck at tile, drywall). Except for the computers (even then relatively simple from a mechanical standpoint), all these items are older and fairly simple to diagnose/maintain.

    My issue is how do you learn to maintain newer vehicles, appliances, items that are so much more complex. My new truck is much better in terms of gas mileage and improved amenities, but I don’t think I’ll be able to do much under the hood besides change the oil or rotate the tires. Guess I should just stick to learning more about basic mechanics, electric, plumbing?

    Her pectoral region seems to respond well to the lower gravity, SG.

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  31. Headhunter, I wonder if that’s a partial reason for making everything from vehicles to appliance repairable only by someone with the highly controlled computerized tools (if at all.) A sinister way to both make it impossible to DIY and to force the increased consumption of such goods? Fridges, for example. How can it be that today they are junk after just three or four years and yet the 1971 era fridge in the garage is running strong? Hummm….

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  32. “…it’s Biology 101”, said Bettina.

    Aha, gotcha bitch! Biology is social construct! Teach men not to (eye-)rape (our cleavage)!

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  33. BuenaVista says:

    1. We’ve already reached — and crossed — the tipping point wherein the government super-ordinates females. In the history of democracies, no dominant interest group has forfeited its legal and financial primacy.

    2. ” … and if it has one characteristic it is the unshakable belief of the red pill men and women in the truth of their position.” What red pill women? Where? If there were red pill women they would address the conditions in item 1), above. Even Camille Paglia won’t do that.

    3. Gosh, men sure have crappy memories, don’t they. A smile and a backrub, and all is forgotten! This is the “men are just unthinking dicks with a billfold” approach to male intelligence and agency.

    4. “Come back, come back; I’ll be nice this time!” This is currently in use to poor effect by middle-aged females. It doesn’t work. Men do not have crappy memories, do they? If your premise — that men think abstractly about time and outcomes — is correct, “I’ll be nice this time” has the same probability of success as “Pretend I’m 19 years old, okay? C’mon, be body positive.”

    5. I think you’re badly underestimating how berserk the blue pill men and the institutions they run (law, religion, legal, academia, culture) will become if the fairer sex is in any way inconvenienced by economic malaise. They’ll just continue to strip mine the recalcitrant men. I suppose that could end badly after a few hundred years and we’d inhabit a post-apocalyptic world like that in Cormac McCarthy’s “The Road”. And I suppose I could pass out and wake up as a principal in “Blade Runner.” Plus, unicorns.

    Disagree? Tell the cop who responds to a domestic violence false accusation “Don’t be silly. Besides, we’re all equal here and both of us have the right to due process.” Or, the next time you get pulled over for speeding, break down in hysterical tears. Or, tell your pastor that your wife has obligations to you under marriage, not the sole authority to measure your “fitness.” Or, tell an elementary school teacher to quit picking on your son and let him have recess twice a day. Or, turn on a TV and count to 100 without seeing a man portrayed as sick, violent or a wus. Publish a novel in which the man is a hero and the woman is a conniving psychopath. Tell your legislator that women should have to register for the draft just as young men do. None of these things are going to change.

    We live in a world in which women are legally, financially, and professionally peers to men. (This means they have superior rights, but I’m sticking with the feminist talking point.) At the same time, women — under a proposed new law in France — will be able to arrest a man for requesting her phone number. And she wouldn’t even have to report the “crime” when it happened — it could be reported at a time indefinite in the future. The system is Rollo’s “two sets of books.” They’re not giving that up now, and they’re not going to do so in the future.

    ***

    So we’re past the tipping point. Institutions and 99% of the female population like the status quo. There are no social entrepreneurs to re-create society. One cannot re-engineer human souls.

    What will happen is that money (a man’s business, his farm, his law practice, his public employee pension) will be isolated from whatever social activities (i.e., romance) he chooses to pursue. Children will be raised like prized farm animals, with neither a stable home nor emotionally secure framework in which to develop. Some men and women will achieve friendship and intimacy, but it will occur in an environment of genial caution, skepticism, and longterm distrust. Women will still change their minds more than men do, and there still will be no braking social influence to prevent it. This will not change just because the government (your scenario) goes broke; what has changed in the last generation has been the ability of a woman to rain down the government on any man she wishes to “leverage”, for personal benefit. IOW, what has changed is that (as you note) the government is now a man’s partner for life, if he wants to raise children with a woman.

    But per today, the greatest risk to any independent man will not be a woman; it will be the blue pill, white knighting men who are driven insane by the notion that some men do not live in harness, afraid and starving, as do they. After all, it is those miscreant men their blue pill wives are thinking about, if they think about men.

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  34. Stephanie says:

    Re: cars… we had a part go out on our van last week – the one I drive the kids around unfortuately, and it was a part that one of our family members brought up this weekend that used to be made out of metal and was MUCH much cheaper and easier to fix. It’s costing us $900… really crappy.

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  35. BuenaVista says:

    KH, the preppers I know are running pre-emissions vehicles with carbs, for the very reasons you mention. No computers, no airbags, no cat converters, no variable valve timing, no cylinder shut-off, no nothing. Oh, and no GPS-derived tracking or vehicle telemetry tracking with data storage (this stuff already exists), and the insurance companies already want the latter to make sure you never drive 66 in a 65.

    Of course, when we assemble something, instead of build it (and this applies to everything from houses to RPG’s washing machines) the labor inputs plummet, so that’s good business for a manufacturer. And I think we have to remember that something as mundane today as a microwave oven cost as much as a car — or more — in constant dollars when Amana brought them out. Our washing machines last a few years but cost nothing to replace if we stick with the basic models.

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  36. @ RPG. “They don’t make’em like they used to” has historically had a negative connotation, but seems more true today than ever. Yes, certain advances definitely improve performance or efficiency, but the complexities today smack of “designed to be replaced not repaired”.

    I’m interested in how to address this phenomenon personally as well as how/what to teach my kids.

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  37. BuenaVista says:

    BTW, even John Deere is trying to infantilize their customers, probably the most mechanically savvy population I can name. New equipment runs on software, the software is remotely controlled (don’t miss a payment!) and requires annual license fees, and unofficial service on the equipment voids the warranty. There’s a backlash and some guys are leaving Deere, but most can’t imagine life without the biggest green tractor in the county.

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  38. BV, I’d heard there’d been a revolt against Deere in Europe(maybe?) over the software and the inability to make repairs without voiding the warranty.

    Wanted to keep my old truck, but just don’t have the room for it. Should have probably put off the purchase until my older boy starts driving. Think I can get myself an older vehicle and let him use the newer one (his mother will be happy he’s in a “safer” vehicle). Will need to look at extending my driveway. Going to the Mecum auction in Louisville this weekend just to look around (I promise!).

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  39. caddersworld says:

    For red pill men, it is much easier to reject women just ‘playing nice’, and I agree that for most red-pill men, this will not be enough to get them back on the reservation. But my read is that there is such a thirst out there among men in general for femininity that huge numbers of men will be ‘turned’ by it. For many younger men it is likely to prove quite shocking, as many will never have experienced true femininity in their lives at all (an indictment to how far so many women have fallen) – which will make it all the more powerful.

    And this, I think, is the outcome we should aim for; the mass of women behaving like, well, women again.

    But there are two wildcards here;

    1) Bait and switch. Will women fake femininity to seal the deal and then switch to bitch? Quite possibly – we have decades of examples (generally using sex rather than femininity) that demonstrate that just about all women are capable of this, even if they choose not to behave in such a way. But it is far harder to fake femininity than it is to simply be sexually available. Femininity, by it’s nature, expresses itself in ALL of a woman’s behaviors. She can’t just be feminine in some areas and not in others, at some times and not at others. Femininity expresses it’s authenticity in it’s consistency. And it’s very power over men provides the checks and balances that guard against it being used for bait and switch; men are often mesmerized by authentic femininity, literally finding it hard to look away from a feminine woman. Trying to fake that consistently when under such intense scrutiny from the male gaze is, I would say, beyond the wit of the vast majority of women. Men will be vetting women far harder, and importantly, for longer than they do now when the prize is ‘merely’ sex. And this vetting will happen mostly unconsciously – for really this is men testing for mate fitness. At it’s most basic femininity is a proxy for measuring the fitness of a women to breed with. Men are simply wired to make this assessment. Only in the last 50 years have women been told to reject femininity and men men told to suppress their natural assessment of it. You can’t change 500,000 years of evolution with 50 years of a failed ideology, and as femininity starts to re-appear these natural instincts in men and women will re-assert themselves with no need for the huge amounts of money, time and effort it has taken to suppress them.

    And there is something else here as well – I have nothing to back this up except my gut – but I suspect a subversive ‘fake it til you make it’ dynamic would also come into play here. Long a mantra men new to Game, it think it would also act on women, but less consciously; for I suspect it is hard to fake femininity for any length of time without actually becoming feminine. Just about all women have the true feminine inside them – and faking it would inevitably tap into it. I suspect that once they see the power of their femininity (and make no mistake, femininity and submission ARE female power, in relation to men) many would continue down the road to authenticity. Just like men, many women too have never experienced true femininity.

    2) The cohort of men who are not red-pill, but are not much bothered about women either. I think it was Deti who pointed out that with so many men having been dis-enfranchised for so long, many of them have no to little interest in spending much time, money or energy on a woman. These men might make an effort, but it’s not going to be much and they often quickly loose interest. Women have declined in value to them to the point that a video game, Netflix, porn or a hobby offers more reward. And here I wonder if even femininity has the power to change their behaviors or ignite their interest. And this cohort, I suspect, is HUGE. And it’s very size and apathy (when it comes to women) is another factor in bolstering the change in women’s behaviour. These men may be ‘turned’ by femininity but they are less likely to stay the distance if a women is not consistent in her behaviours. Not through any red-pill perspective, but simply because poor behaviour from a women places her back on the ‘not as good as the alternatives’ category. The very fact that these men aren’t red-pill is what gives this dynamic it’s power – there is no need for them to reached out to and informed, they are just doing what men always do; study their environment, understand it, and behave rationally according to it.

    TPTB will no doubt do everything in their power to stamp on all manifestations of femininity. But the ultimately they will fail. No regime in history has ever succeeded, and none ever will.

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  40. BuenaVista says:

    “These men may be ‘turned’ by femininity but they are less likely to stay the distance if a women is not consistent in her behaviours.”

    This is what I see: endemic inconsistency. The woman I’m seeing at present is a tomboy engineer who does classified cybersecurity: not a shrinking violet. Can swear like a sailer, and does (her father was a captain in the surface fleet, before the surface fleet was a bunch of SJWs). One moment I’m dealing with “motherfucker, you know what I want” and the next, I’m talking to Nancy Drew. It would be better if, when I’m getting the Gulf of Tonkin treatment, that a red strobe started flashing so I could adjust my behavior and clear all the sensitive documents off my desk.

    You see, in the last year or two, that apparently swearing promiscuously is feminist cred. A U.S. Senator (Gilliebrand) in a public speech actually said “shit” and the world swooned. If you graze the various wanna-be pundits on Twitter, any female on the left is trying out her bad language skills. It’s very strange. They don’t even do it very well. Used to be that girls only talked like a hooker in bed.

    I don’t see femininity making much of a comeback, if by that we mean decorous, kind and respectful, femininity. The girlfriends veto that behavior. It’s the new normal. Everyone is just going to have to develop his dirty talk kink.

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  41. […] should stop blaming the guys for, “Not stepping up,” and start taking ownership for how the changes women collectively demanded unintentionally led to where we are […]

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  42. Spawny Get says:

    Thanks BV, I remembered hearing of the tractor software leasing before but not who mentioned it. Sounds like a ridiculous business model for a farmer to accept…assuming that he has much of a choice. Aren’t there hacked versions out there? (another recollection)

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  43. BuenaVista says:

    If you buy a Deere, and they are what people mostly buy around here, you’re licensing your tractor or combine. There are some low-level legal efforts to force Deere to let guys hack their machines but I don’t see them getting anywhere. And most guys who buy new equipment are buying a payment, so they’re locked in. Most farmers are blue pill, no matter how cranky or eccentric they seem to people in town.

    The guy I help spring and fall only buys used stuff, and a lot of Case IH. He’s very aware of this issue, but he’s the exception.

    USA car companies are trying to emulate the same business practice.

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  44. thedeti says:

    For red pill men, it is much easier to reject women just ‘playing nice’, and I agree that for most red-pill men, this will not be enough to get them back on the reservation. But my read is that there is such a thirst out there among men in general for femininity that huge numbers of men will be ‘turned’ by it. For many younger men it is likely to prove quite shocking, as many will never have experienced true femininity in their lives at all (an indictment to how far so many women have fallen) – which will make it all the more powerful.

    But this undercuts the entire argument. Because if this happens, and they’re just “playing nice”, then there won’t be a reset of any kind, and nothing will have really “changed”. Because the women will still be conniving bitches, the men will still be beta bitchbois who will put up with all manner of shit for the ever-elusive sexytimes. And it will “change” until she doesn’t get something she wants, or he steps out of line.

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  45. At the same time, women — under a proposed new law in France — will be able to arrest a man for requesting her phone number. And she wouldn’t even have to report the “crime” when it happened — it could be reported at a time indefinite in the future.

    Hmm, I know what a headhunter would do if a women frowned at him under those circumstances. Just to be safe, ya know.

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  46. BuenaVista says:

    It’s pretty easy to identify red pill iconic men — going back centuries — in culture, business, the professions, art. Can anyone think of a red pill woman?

    I think this is why the OP rings so false with me. There would be a red pill woman — or thousands — in our heads if they existed. Women are just … women. I don’t think anything changes if they learn to fake it long enough to make it with a woke man.

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  47. thedeti says:

    This whole “playing nice” is the thing that really gets me, I guess.

    Sure, I suppose there’s some “fake it till you make it”. But any change, any real, sincere change, to actually make things better and avoid cataclysm, would have to be deep and lasting, as well as willing to subordinate itself to the good of men and families – to the common good. They would have to submit to their men, I mean REALLY submit, not just make it look like they’re submitting, not playacting at submitting, and not submitting for some other purpose or to achieve some other end.

    And I just don’t see that happening, even among today’s most “aware” women. Even the most “red pilled” women, the most insightful, self-aware, self introspecting women, can get all feelings-sopped, gossipy, bitchy, emotions driven, and in need of stabilization.

    BV’s “come back! Come back! We’ll play nice this time!” really rings true to me. It just looks to me like Lucy setting up the football for yet another go-around.

    Ladies: I don’t believe you, I don’t trust you, and I’m not going to stake my life, fortune and retirement on the notion that “it’ll be different this time around”. And i don’t think it’s a good idea to bank on men’s thirst for pussy as driving this thing either. That’s part of what got us into this mess in the first place, and it’s part of what gets men into trouble all the time. It’s part of what got me to the Red Pill, and it’s part of why BV has a son he hasn’t seen in a couple of years.

    If any of you want to hitch your wagon to mine, your wagon will no longer be “your wagon”. Your stuff, your ass, your life, belongs to me and i will decide what will be done with it. Don’t like it? You’re on your own, and good luck to you. Find some beta bitchboi to pay the freight and write the checks.

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  48. thedeti says:

    Have you all noticed something?

    The current state of affairs has it so women don’t respect men. And why should they? Women have no reason to. Women earn their own money, and can do almost everything men can do in today’s automated information-age society. Women don’t need men.

    And there are a lot of men who don’t do anything to engender respect. Not even a little bit respectable.

    And the current state of affairs has it so men don’t love or care about women. And why should they? Men have no reason to. The top men can get sex from women without even knowing their names, much less caring about them, much less loving them. Most other men can get occasional sex, and marriage, but a lot of those men have “meh” sex lives at best with their wives, causing them to hate their wives. And men who can’t get sex have porn, and maybe the occasional hooker. Men no longer need women, and when the sexbots come, the obsolescence of vagina will be complete.

    And there are a lot of women who are completely unloveable. I mean, not even a little bit loveable.

    Finally, the current state of affairs has it so women don’t trust men, and men don’t trust women. The resentments run so deep, the fears so widespread, the legal and economic ramifications so severe, unforgiving and permanent, that there’s no basis even for dialogue about trust to be had, much less for someone to make a move in either direction.

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  49. Basic tenant of rationalism: accept things for what they are.

    Woman are women. They cannot change their underlying nature any more than men can stop problem solving or being competitive.

    Society now sees womens’ nature, it flaunts it.
    So many men are individually disengaging without hearing of mgtow or red pill.

    That is why the reset will not hold.
    Women will adjust as a movement ” new feminism ” or whatever but it will be a herd movement.

    But the mens’ reaction will be individual. One man at a time.
    Each man saying “Do I trust this? Do I even Want this? Is it better than the stuff\interests I already have?”

    Recall the fall is precated on enough men withdrawing tnbat it causes the current steady state to run out or resources, otherwise it is self sustaining indefinitely.

    If that many men (10-20% as Cadders points out) then most of them have to buy into the “new feminism” to reset. Some will absolutely.

    But because it was not a movement but an individual withdrawl I don’t see that many men changing back in numbers large enough to reset. Even if it does, it will take absolutely nothing for women to blow it again and men to hair trigger withdrawl again.

    As I said before, we have made life from a team to an individual sport.
    And individual men don’t like to lose.

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  50. thedeti says:

    Even the most “red pilled” women, the most insightful, self-aware, self introspecting women, can get all feelings-sopped, gossipy, bitchy, emotions driven, and in need of stabilization.

    Judgy Bitch is one of the best “red pilled” women there is – insightful and incisive. Yet witness her slow motion train wreckage/near self immolation here:

    http://judgybitch.com/2016/10/25/martial-arts-mens-rights-and-what-it-means-to-be-a-man/

    my husband does not like the person I am when I fight, and yet, my heart shatters at the thought of stopping. I have not become someone new. I have simply allowed the person I have always been to emerge. This is a painful and troubling time for me. It is disturbing to understand I am creating barriers and walls, separating myself from the man I have known and loved for almost all of my adult life, and yet I feel nothing but the most overwhelming grief to think of not continuing to train.

    Translation: I’m becoming a badass bitch who trains martial arts, and i can feel myself losing attraction for my husband.

    Asking myself difficult questions leads to some unpleasant conclusions. Is my husband a good man? Most assuredly. Is he good at being a man? Not really. No. Measured in terms of being a good provider, he is absolutely good at being a man. Measured in terms of his ability to physically defend us, with blood and muscle and sinew and sweat? Nope. Not a chance. In his mind, that doesn’t matter. He can pay ‘meatheads’ (his words, not mine) to provide security for us. Or he can rely on me.

    Translation: My husband is a beta bitchboi provider. But i now view him as a gigantic pussy, because I’ve been training martial arts with BAMF “real men”. It sickens me to think that to defend my family, he would rely on me.

    When I am training in the woods with a class, and I walk beside my main instructor, people get the fuck out of our way.

    Translation: I am tingling hard, REALLY hard, for my main instructor. And I really like walking beside my main instructor. Like, a whole lot.

    If I were her husband, the divorce papers would be on file the next day.

    And this is a red pill woman, going all gushy and dissolving into puddles with her martial arts instructor, and shittalking her husband ON A PUBLIC BLOG where PEOPLE KNOW HER REAL NAME and thus know HIS real name. Don’t tell me Tim Hardie didn’t read that. You KNOW he did.

    Is this “playing nice”?

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  51. I think it is going to get bad for women as in on the street survival mode.

    It will fall along how cadders and deti said. The demographics, birthrates, labour participation rates etc all point to it. The feminist, SJW, Welfare systems will run out of other peoples money. Non jobs will be slashed mostly hitting women and betas. Consumption will fall.
    There will be a social outcry. “Save us, feed us, protect us”.

    The men with abilities will look at it and either “pledge yourself to me” ala Deti, self isolate Bombadil like me, “fuck yourself” like many or just “Mmmm No, good luck.” Walking away.

    The men and their familes\harems will be fine working, trading, living between themselves like the old city states. The gated communities, the closed shops based on guild (skills) not union, the self supporting rural communities.
    It may be a fine time of mutual support like the town in Little House On The Prarie. But entrance will be steep, tested and banishment will be ever present.

    The rest will scramble for sustenance selling, trading whatever they have of worth. Not actual street living but being like an endentured mcdonalds job class. Like the lower castes in asia or most of inner city Detroit or Washington. Nothing jobs, crime, violence.
    Worst of all abandonment by those who can.

    Why do ghettoes exist. Cause no one gives a shit about the people there.

    All those women. No families to care about them. No skills of economic value. No attractiveness to trade. No ability to be self sustaining. If no one cares how can it not descend into ghettos.

    And as long as those riff raff stay out of where the good people live….

    Yup. Its gonna be ugly as that broad Spawny keeps posting.

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  52. Deti

    I had great respect for Janet\Judgy Bitch at one point. Then she pulled that crap. Now I won’t look at her. And her husband was a doctor!! Likely a 4 out of 6 sixes man!! I hope she got punted to the curb.

    Exactly how a supposed aware woman cannot use her very intelligent brain to overcome her tingles.

    And they say we think with the little brain.

    Yup. There will be a “movement” of we are sorry.
    But the individual woman can’t pull it off and the men won’t believe it.

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  53. It got worse for her. Many fans blasted her in the comments, called her on it as plain as yoiu did above. She did a “I am so conflicted post” but then kept up the training (aka the affair at least in spirit). After that I couldn’t stomach it and stopped reading.

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  54. thedeti says:

    Horseman: I know. The comments section on that post was a blood bath. Our own Cadders commented there, basically telling her to tread very lightly. As far as i know, she still posts, she’s still with Tim, and she is still training.

    This, after she basically called her husband a pussy bitchboi IN PUBLIC. No WAY would i stay married to a woman after a very public blogosphere humiliation/emasculation like that.

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  55. When I am training in the woods with a class, and I walk beside my main instructor, people get the fuck out of our way.

    I remember that. I also remember laughing about it. No man gives a shit about a woman walking towards him unless she’s naked, carrying a sandwich, or has a gun. Delusional Bitch, I call her. Sometimes in the crowded halls at the gym women will be walking towards me as I’m going the opposite direction and not move to get out of my way. Being a polite headhunter, I stop, frown, and make them go around me, then I continue on my way.

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  56. BuenaVista says:

    Blue collar male suicide rates, pre- and post-feminism. Could be coincidental. Click through to see chart. As noted, they blend the male and female rates (study was co-authored by a woman); however, female rates are a fraction of male rates, so they are pulling *down* actual male rates of self-destruction.

    [This is my effort at embedding a tweet, may not work.]

    If you really want to be shocked, show the numbers by sex. These charts blend male/female. Females are pulling *down* male rates. https://t.co/ROjAZ5ZJzJ— Radical Radials (@EchelonRight) September 20, 2017

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  57. BuenaVista says:

    Deti,

    Four years seven months 20 days.

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  58. BuenaVista says:

    I guess perfect “red pill woman” J. Bitch changed her mind about “her needs” on her “journey.” Shocker.

    I told a couple of stories about a college professor I dated three times, a while ago. She was the one who, I found out, has the wife who is “transitioning” to be a man; latter had the surgery and the haircut! She apparently went back and forth to the former lesbian-now-pretend-man. Anyway, I stopped paying attention.

    BTW, there are children at home, from when the prof was married to a man who came equipped with a penis. They’re witness and participant to all this.

    So the other night, not having talked to her even at the campus, for a year, I receive a text:

    “BV! I’m at the Lounge!”

    That’s it. This woman is a respectable professional. She’s also gained 30 pounds. She’s over 40. I’m searching for the value proposition. Shall I ask her if she’s going to be rational and nice this time? One of us is crazy. Shall I just hope that she will fake it for a while, so I can pretend she’s someone she’s not? Maybe Deti will sort it out for me.

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  59. thedeti says:

    Four years seven months 20 days.

    I would lose my mind. I would be out of my mind with grief and worry.

    If my wife left me, but left the kids with me, or even divorced me and was still living in the same town, I would have to make some real major adjustments, and fast, but I would be OK.

    If my wife left me and took my kids across the country and kept them from me, I would adjust, but I don’t think I’d be OK after that. At least not for a very, very long time. A very long time.

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  60. Ame says:

    Been on my prayer list for a long time … will continue. Breaks my heart.

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  61. BuenaVista says:

    Here is the full, scholarly paper from which I drew the above chart. It’s very interesting. The authors do break out some of the analysis in tables and charts (beginning on p. 43). Basically, two quick observations:

    Suicide rates skyrocket for those who came of age in the mid-late seventies. Probably just a coincidence.

    The cohort that is just 10 years older are a small fraction of the group that were 50-54 when the data were collected (2015). This is an astonishing distinction.

    Female rates are 40-50% of men. This surprises me, as we know the rate for middle aged divorced men, if divorced, are 11x higher.

    Very few of the charts distinguish between men and women, despite the clear performance differences. It’s hard not to be cynical about this analysis decision. The authors distinguish white from Hispanic and Black — but evidently found it unhelpful to note the superior all-cause mortality of women.

    https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/6_casedeaton.pdf

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  62. Ame says:

    I know several men whose wives left them for another man, some of those who lost their kids, too. I firmly believe this destroys men in ways women will never be able to comprehend.

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  63. Why a “I’m nice now” reset individually or societally will never be believed. You can’t forget this shit.

    https://dalrock.wordpress.com/2017/09/20/the-one-obstacle-she-cant-remove/

    From some feminists book

    “Finkel’s unsettling observations reminded me of something Susan Pease Gadoua, co-author of “The New I Do,” told me in July: It’s helpful to know you have an “out” of your marriage. That is, if one or both people grow out of the relationship, it might be upsetting, but it won’t be shameful to leave.”

    And

    “The implication for marriage is, if you accept that you might grow out of your relationship — or your partner might — you’re freeing yourself to be in the marriage because you want to, and not because you have to.”

    Um. They are confusing marriage with a long term “you have your house I have mine but we screw and have fun” relationship.

    What fucking moron would ever enter into such a predicament, even at gunpoint.
    At least the guy in the alley with the gun is honest “gimme your shit”.

    Nope. Now that this shit is out in the mainstream, the nature of womenz is forever known.
    You cannot unknow it.

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  64. BuenaVista says:

    It’s almost like there are unilateral parenting, social, financial and legal benefits that accrue to one of the parties, irrespective of outcome.

    In finance we just call this a “free option.” Only bad deals contain an option that the option-holder can execute profitably — without compensating the counter-party for the privilege.

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  65. SFC Ton says:

    Headhunter, in my area the local community colleges will hook you up with all sorts of adult learning classes of the automotive and trade school type.

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  66. SFC Ton says:

    I had great respect for Janet\Judgy Bitch at one point
    ………….

    What sort of idiot respects a woman? That’s just fucking stupid

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  67. Given the recent speech at the UN. I couldn’t resist.

    Rocket Man as performed by Bill Shatner.

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  68. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Someone mentioned men in France being fined for asking for a phone number. It is worse than that. A Macron appointee wants to empower police with the ability to summarily fine men for street harassment. This is only going to be abused by women.
    http://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2017/08/26/545297078/frances-gender-equality-minister-wants-on-the-spot-fines-for-sexual-harassers

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  69. Yoda says:

    Horseman prejudiced towards Canadians he is

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  70. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    About JudgyBitch, I do like reading her posts which don’t come all that often anymore. I will confirm that her husband is a doctor. That would preclude him from studying martial arts because of the Hippocratic Oath. If JB can’t see the value in him as a husband and father, it speaks for all women.

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  71. SFC Ton says:

    Fair certian
    Docs don’t take that oath anymore

    Said oath wouldn’t prohibit them from taking part in a sport

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  72. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Yoda,
    I believe you are correct. Here is something to make Horseman happy.

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  73. thedeti says:

    Fuzzie

    No. JBs husband is tim hardie, a college professor.

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  74. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    I found him.
    https://www.lakeheadu.ca/users/H/thardie
    I don’t know where I got the idea that he was a doctor, but Horseman got that too. JB has been a little loose with facts on her blog.

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  75. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Still, if she dumps him in favor of a martial arts teacher, should any women be trusted? Not to have children with, that is for sure.

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  76. Ame says:

    Fuzzie – my dad abused me in many ways, and my first husband was also abusive … should i lump all men into the same boat with my dad and my late ex? it took me a good while but i was able to accept that those are just two men of all the men of the world. they are not EVERY man. my wonderful Husband, you men out here, and many other men have taught me that NAMALT 😉 … for which i am VERY grateful 🙂

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  77. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    The last time Milo tried to speak at UC Berkeley, Donald Trump threatened to withhold federal funds. Perhaps, this time he should hot bother with threatening.

    I read from one source that federal funds are fifty five percent of the the University’s budget.
    It is not the attendees to these events that will cause trouble. It is Antifa.

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  78. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Ame,
    JudgyBitch has written long posts on how devoted she and her husband are to each other and how much she loves him. He has given her a great home and a good life. I chose to believe what she wrote. Silly me.

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  79. Ame says:

    fuzziewuzziebear says:
    21 September, 2017 at 4:18 am
    Still, if she dumps him in favor of a martial arts teacher, should any women be trusted? Not to have children with, that is for sure.

    – – –

    when you wrote, “should any women be trusted?” … it sounds like you’re lumping us all in with JB simply b/c we’re women.

    not saying there’s not a place for AWALT … just saying … we’re not ALL her 🙂

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  80. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Ame,
    It does bring up the question of women saying one thing at one time and another at a later time. Both statement having equal veracity. What can you trust? It seems that there is no defense. In the face of this, the Red Pill and Game are weak sauce.

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  81. Ame says:

    trust must be earned and maintained, Fuzzie. there are few people i truly trust in this world.

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  82. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Ame,
    The problem is that trust is a requirement in a spouse.

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  83. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Years ago, Sunshine Mary protested that not all women are treacherous. The guys did not answer. The problem is that the guys never see it coming. How can anyone prepare for the unexpected?

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  84. Ame says:

    Yes, it is, Fuzzie. It’s a miracle, really, that I was able to trust again, but I’m so grateful I did. My Husband continues to not only prove he is trustworthy but also continues to help me work through default reactions that are no longer needed ☺

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  85. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Ame,
    I think he likes you and it is not just that you pour milk in his glass.

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  86. I am a proud Canuck.

    Land of Moose, Mounties and Mulrony (former PM),
    home of Toonies ($2 coin) Tims (coffee) and Toques.
    Where a 24 is a case of beer, a 26er is a bottle of hooch and a 40 pounder is a damn fine bottle of whisky.

    We who gave you The Shatner, The Sutherlands (Donald and Keiffer), the Great One (who was an asshole in grade 11) and Celine (ok we apologize for that one.)

    The 2nd biggest country in the world, bounded by three oceans (yet has only five working naval vessels).

    The True North, strong and free (because if you yanks invade we will just keep backing up.)

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  87. Seriously, Gretsky was a complete asshole in high school, I had metal shop with him.

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  88. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Another to make Horseman happy.

    I have never been to Canada, but there are two tall brunettes that did pull on my heartstrings.

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  89. Ame says:

    IDK, Fuzzie. When my first husband finally told me what he’d been doing for years you could have knocked me over with a feather. I would have argued anyone to the grave if anyone other than him had told me. I have no idea how to prepare for the unexpected except to believe in and trust in Holy God who knows everything and is always in control regardless of how I feel or my circumstances.

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  90. Ame says:

    Yeah 😳 … he really does. Blows me away all the time. He teaches me about love everyday.

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  91. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    It must be nice to have that.

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  92. Ame says:

    It is ☺. I think, too, that since we both know what it’s like to be in a bad marriage we are especially grateful for what we have. Not saying it’s all perfect and Pollyanna, but at the end of the day when it’s just the two of us alone in bed, all’s right with the world 😊

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  93. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Ame,
    All it has to do is work. That is getting to be a tall order.

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  94. SFC Ton says:

    How is Canada free?

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  95. Spawny Get says:

    Get yours before it gets here

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  96. Spawny Get says:

    I went looking for the image requested above, but I found this one first

    I hope you don’t mind

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  97. Spawny Get says:

    Just kidding, I hate to disappoint

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  98. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Spawny Get,
    How can MPs like Emily Thornberry, Jess Phillips, and Diane Abbott get re-elected? To begin with, they are incompetent. Then, there is the point that that they cannot represent sane people.

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  99. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Thank you for the antidote in advance.

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  100. caddersworld says:

    Deti & BV – thanks for your comments to mine above. I was putting together a response and realised it would probably work as another blog post – I’ll give it more thought bung it over to our esteemed hosts in due course

    Re JB – that comment I posted on that thread about her trainer was the last I every made on her blog iirc. I was a fairly regular commenter over there for a time, but after that post I never returned. Not through any kind of considered reaction. Simply because of a reaction I had at the thought of doing so.

    Disgust.

    It took me by a bit by surprise to find that she now disgusted me. Furthermore it was an instinctive reaction. Clearly I was not alone. But I think this feeling of disgust at modern women, and at their duplicity is increasing among men and is an important component in how this all resets.

    Lots to think about.

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  101. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Cadders,
    A good observation. I wonder how modern women would receive it?

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  102. Stephanie says:

    Ame ” it sounds like you’re lumping us all in with JB simply b/c we’re women.

    not saying there’s not a place for AWALT … just saying … we’re not ALL her 🙂”

    ^^You may need to read her post to understand what happened… it is bad. 😦 I mean she at one point, literally says that her husband “is not good at being a man.” All because he doesn’t do martial arts (???). I showed my husband that last night and we both thought she had lost her mind.

    On NAWALT vs. AWALT —

    You were warning us women to stay away from situations where temptation could happen – to “flee temptation” when you’re near it and be on guard for it always… I think she should have realized what was happening way before she wrote that post and stopped training with martial arts (and apparently the men training her) if it was making her think less of her husband (and it clearly was). There are apparently A LOT of women who cheat with just their personal trainers at regular gyms that it’s practically a known joke. And those trainers aren’t grappling and sitting on top of them, etc. You could make a good argument that no women should be fighting with men (who aren’t their husband) like that… it could almost simulate a rape scene… which unfortunately turns on things in a woman’s brain that you don’t want turned on (think war wives syndrome or something where they **accept** their new “partner” in order for survival).

    Why she didn’t stop once she realized what was happening in her mind – that she was making internal agreements with herself that these male trainers were “better men” than her husband, I don’t know, but it’s pretty clear she understood what was happening and carried it to completion (a full culmination of **deciding** her husband was “not good at being a man” compared to these other men).

    I think it’s one of those situations you said before where yes, all women could be subject to that kind of thing if they allowed it to happen. I trained in dance for years with a gay male instructor… this is no small thing since dance is seductive and physical… he at one point even used me as his example of teaching us how to flip each other over our backs in pairs. So there was hands on flipping over his back action. He was basically female in a way that’s hard to describe, and wanted to be viewed that way obviously. He embraced full-on emasculation and it had become his identity so this being flipped over him was barely a blip on my radar. It would have been a whole different ball-game if he had been some extremely masculine dance instructor that made me “tingle”… and then was “man-handling” me, flipping me over his back. That would have been insanely hard to not get turned on by, even as a virginal teen. That is what JB was doing (as a freaking married woman) 😦 and KEPT doing even when it started making her think her husband was “not good at being a man.” Just insane!

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  103. Stephanie says:

    Fuzzie “A good observation. I wonder how modern women would receive it?”

    The Bible says to “flee temptation” for a reason. I think *all* women would be susceptible to what JB had happen. It’s scary.

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  104. @SG 10:09 Helloooooo, nurse!

    Thanks, Ton, I’ll look into it. I think someone at work mentioning taking a woodworking course at the local CC.

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  105. Met a lot of friendly and good-looking Australians last time I was in Canada. Also a young French girl who is in my top 2 all-time IRL beauties I’ve ever met.

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  106. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Stephanie,
    “Fleeing temptation” would work. She is ready to nuke her marriage for tingles. That is something that she would never recover from.

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  107. Spawny Get says:

    A niche market, I suspect

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  108. @SG 1:59 Had Ma-Ma stuffed to keep the kids company when they were younger if I had to be out of the house for a few minutes. She’s just taking up room in the attic now. Wonder what she’d go for…

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  109. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    As to the dog rug, no, just no.

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  110. Spawny Get says:

    Kentucky, it’s what she would have wanted…probably. Putting the interests of the kids first.

    You might check out what the real-sex-dolls go for second hand?

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  111. Either that or start renting her to people wanting to use the car pool lanes…

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  112. Spawny Get says:

    Out of the box thinking, I like that…

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  113. Farm Boy says:

    White women have a history of betraying their sisters. The 2016 election was no exception. According to exit polls, 53% of white women in America voted for Donald Trump. The pattern of white women choosing white men over women of color underscores some of the more insidious machinations of patriarchy and the racism ingrained in the feminist movement.

    https://qz.com/835567/election-2016-white-women-voted-for-donald-trump-in-2016-because-they-still-believe-white-men-are-their-saviors/

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  114. Farm Boy says:

    Leaders of the student newspaper at Princeton University have disbanded the publication’s independent editorial board, a move that comes after the group put forth a string of right-leaning opinions, including denouncing the women’s center for its radical feminist agenda and arguing in favor of due process.

    https://www.thecollegefix.com/post/36982/

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  115. Farm Boy says:

    “Every day, more and more is coming about how operatives connected to Obama were carrying out an extensive wiretapping operation against Donald Trump. I thought wiretapping your political opponents was a major crime. At least, it *used* to be. Where are all the Pulitzer-seeking reporters who dream of being the next Woodward and Bernstein?”

    http://ace.mu.nu/archives/371658.php

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  116. Farm Boy says:

    The dating site OKCupid is adding a profile option which allows progressives to avoid the horror of having to make online contact with (or possibly even… kiss!) someone with a different ideological worldview. They’re doing it by partnering with Planned Parenthood and letting users apply a “badge” to their profile showing their support for the organization. This would, they imagine, thin the herd because no conservative worth their salt would possibly swipe right (or is it left? Whichever one means you like something) on a prospective dating partner who “hearts” the noted abortion provider. Right?

    https://hotair.com/archives/2017/09/20/inevitable-okcupid-hooks-planned-parenthood-thread/

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  117. Ame says:

    “You were warning us women to stay away from situations where temptation could happen – to “flee temptation” when you’re near it and be on guard for it always…”

    yes.

    i’ve read some of the fallout from her though i haven’t read her blog or post.

    i think Cadders response sums it up well (21 September, 2017 at 10:55 am):

    Disgust.

    It took me by a bit by surprise to find that she now disgusted me. Furthermore it was an instinctive reaction. Clearly I was not alone. But I think this feeling of disgust at modern women, and at their duplicity is increasing among men and is an important component in how this all resets.

    Lots to think about.

    – – – –

    James 1:12-15 says, “12 Blessed is the man who endures temptation; for when he has been approved, he will receive the crown of life which the Lord has promised to those who love Him. 13 Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am tempted by God”; for God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He Himself tempt anyone. 14 But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed. 15 Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, brings forth death.”

    ​I Timothy 1:7 says, “For God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of a sound mind.”​

    ​”Sound mind” is also translated, ‘sound judgement,’ ‘self-discipline,’ ‘self-control.’​

    Galatians 5:22-23 says, “22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering [patience], kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law.”​

    ​- – – -​

    ​feminism has succeeded in taking the social restraints and boundaries ​away from women giving them little, if any, reason to flee temptation and develop and maintain a life of self-discipline / self-control – which is synonymous with having a sound mind.

    and Cadders is right … it IS disgusting. what is tragic, though, is that women (in general) are so numb to their behavior that they no longer find it disgusting anymore. it’s become their normal. the restraints have been removed that scream, “This is wrong!” so we justify ourselves and think we get away with it. God will not be mocked; sin leads to death, and men and children are the ones who experience this death most profoundly.

    Ravi Zacharias has spoken on Daniel multiple times. In Daniel chapter 1 it says, “3 Then the king instructed Ashpenaz, the master of his eunuchs, to bring some of the children of Israel and some of the king’s descendants and some of the nobles, 4 young men in whom there was no blemish, but good-looking, gifted in all wisdom, possessing knowledge and quick to understand, who had ability to serve in the king’s palace, and whom they might teach the language and literature of the Chaldeans. 5 And the king appointed for them a daily provision of the king’s delicacies and of the wine which he drank, and three years of training for them, so that at the end of that time they might serve before the king. 6 Now from among those of the sons of Judah were Daniel, Hananiah, Mishael, and Azariah. 7 To them the chief of the eunuchs gave names: he gave Daniel the name Belteshazzar; to Hananiah, Shadrach; to Mishael, Meshach; and to Azariah, Abed-Nego.
    8 But Daniel purposed in his heart that he would not defile himself with the portion of the king’s delicacies, nor with the wine which he drank; therefore he requested of the chief of the eunuchs that he might not defile himself.”​

    ​Ravi Zacharias points out that Daniel chose not to eat the food of the king to avoid taking any step, even a tiny one, towards defiling himself. Ravi points out that it is best to cut sin off before it even has a chance to grow by disciplining oneself to flee and avoid the temptation. (here’s one link where Ravi talked about Daniel: https://youtu.be/fdxVhqncmP4 – well worth the time to listen to).

    as women have forced the social and civil boundaries to break, gorging themselves on every ‘delicacy’ their hearts desire, increasing their ‘freedoms,’ mens’ Risk Tolerance has understandably lowered.

    women are now complaining because their choices are now coming around to bite them in the butt cause sin always gives birth to death, and they don’t like it. rather than taking responsibility, they’re blaming others (as Eve did in the Garden).

    and it IS gross. and it IS disgusting.

    and it begs the question which is asked over and over out here … is there any woman who can be faithful to her man?

    since all women have the propensity to be unfaithful, which one can a man trust to be that ‘one’ woman who will be faithful to him? to be that one woman who realizes that certain situations she’s in is are temptation she cannot resist so she must flee at the beginning? should a man ever trust a woman? what boundaries should he put up to lower his risk tolerance if he does trust a woman?

    i cannot imagine what it’s like to be a man out there. i know i had to get to a place where i realized all men were not like the two who hurt me. my Husband had to come to a place where he believed i would not hurt him like other women had – i fell within his ‘risk tolerance’ and he chose to trust me, but he trusts me with boundaries in place. i know there are lines that if i ever crossed, i’d be out without a second chance. and i’d deserve to be.

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  118. @ FB 5:25

    This would, they imagine, thin the herd because no conservative worth their salt would possibly swipe right (or is it left? Whichever one means you like something)

    https://i2.wp.com/whoresandale.files.wordpress.com/2017/09/viking-axe-axe-head.jpg?ssl=1&w=450

    sometimes I swipe right. Sometimes left. I like to mix it up.

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  119. Farm Boy says:

    Members of the royal family aren’t often told what they can and can’t do. But just a few days into his first year of school, 4-year-old Prince George already faces a mandate: No best friends allowed.

    Thomas’s Battersea, the school George attends, bans kids from having best friends, Marie Claire reports. Instead, teachers encourage all students to form bonds with one another to avoid creating feelings of exclusions among those without best friends.

    http://uk.businessinsider.com/schools-are-banning-best-friends-to-protect-kids-feelings-2017-9

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  120. Caders

    This will also affect the economy.
    Boomers needing to sell to pay for LTC but kid at 30 still in the basement.

    https://beta.theglobeandmail.com/globe-investor/personal-finance/genymoney/financially-supporting-adult-children-another-case-of-helicopter-parenting/article36343565/

    At 30 I was seven years married, one kid, one in the oven and a small house. Finished college, two tours and had a real job. A good contributing tax paying procreating member of society.

    One of the tipping points will be these coddleds being forced out by parents illness or death. And who are the boomers gonna sell to when the starter home generation are these broke basement dwellers?

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  121. RichardP says:

    @Ame: “… which one can a man trust to be that ‘one’ woman who will be faithful to him?”

    A survey a number of years ago showed that job satisfaction was a function of one thing way more than anything else: a lack of alternatives. As the presence of alternatives (other jobs willing to hire them) increased, reported job satisfaction decreased.

    That point can be applied to relationships of any kind: the more one knows that others find something about you attractive (without defining that “something”), the looser will be the bonds to the one at hand – without some kind of inner fortitude that generates commitment to the one at hand in spite of the abundance of alternatives.

    Take that general concept and look at the patriarchy of long ago through that lens. Someone recognized the truth of that concept. Someone realized that all of society would benefit from helping its members find the fortitude to “commit” to the one at hand (whether love interest or business partner). Most of that social help was in the form of clearly-stated punishments for certain behaviors. And punishment swiftly followed breach of the social contract.

    Fear (of whatever) is the great motivator, and dedication to commitment tends to loosen as fear lessens. The manosphere has phrases that find their birth in the concept(s) described above. “Abundance mentality” and “dread” are two of the more obvious ones.

    Short version: take a look at the wife that Adam’s father gave him. We say that she was intended to be a help proper and suitable for Adam. We expect that she would be the perfect wife, since the God who can do anything he wants to was the one who made her. But she was far from perfect, as are all of her daughters. And we are correct to wonder what kind of help she actually turned out to be for Adam. Don’t ask “where is the wife who won’t cheat on her husband?” Given the proper alternatives to the one in hand, “job satisfaction” will always go down – perhaps to the point of acting out with one or more of the alternatives. (This also applies to the sons of Adam, but Ame wasn’t talking about him.)

    Rather than looking for the perfect partner, one should look for a social group that will enforce encouragements to fidelity – because that is the only way fidelity has ever been maintained throughout history. There is a reason why partnership agreements (whether marriage or business) stress the issue of commitment: it is human nature to become attracted to the alternatives when they are present (Stephanie says as much upthread). Since that is true, we don’t trust human nature, we trust in the structures put in place to “encourage” commitment (whether with lovers or business partners). Woe to the society that has torn those structures down.

    Paul can have the last word on this: Romans 7:15-20 – “For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.” There is no perfect solution to this, this side of the resurrection. But having social structures in place that encourage one to stay committed to what one once committed to goes a long way to helping folks honor the commitments they have made.

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  122. Yoda says:

    Judgy Bitch “get a life” she should

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  123. Stephanie says:

    One more random thing on the martial arts thing.

    That was part of my husband’s training in his academy. He started the academy with a female friend (whom he was the boss over at another job before they applied at the same time to the department). She is significantly younger than him (and really immature emotionally) and would always try to play the girl card to get out of responsibilities at their old job. He was annoyed by her, but did care about her. He really didn’t think she’d make it as a police officer, but alas, she did and she’s turned out to be a pretty decent cop… for a female.

    They were paired up for fighting, and he literally beat the crap out of her one day at the academy. He won (duh) and she actually went to me later and *** complained *** that he did that to her. LOL what did she think I was going to do? Shame him for doing his job? It’s sad these women don’t realize what they’re asking for (literally… a beating in some cases apparently).

    It’s really hard for men to beat up a woman… especially a younger, immature woman who they care about. It’s not good and it’s not natural (at least I don’t think it’s natural). But what was he supposed to do? She challenged his masculinity and would have gladly have beaten him if she could have… they were being graded on performance and evaluated with every hit/punch, and in the end, it was good for her to know what being beat till she couldn’t get up anymore felt like.

    I mean.. criminals don’t have limits.

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  124. Ame says:

    RichardP – that’s really powerful.

    Years ago a friend gave me the book, Calm My Anxious Heart, by Linda Dillow. I don’t think I ever finished the book, but I keep it close because of the following found on pages 79-80:

    “I paced back and forth as I waited. Eva-with-No-Home was coming to my home. Our home was far from palatial, but compared to homes in Poland, it was a mansion. Many times I wanted a larger house, but today I felt guilty that God had given me so much.

    “Finally Eva and little Monika arrived. They would stay with us for two days and then travel to Innsbruck to visit the family Eva had lived with as a college student. As we toured our house, Eva smiled and said, “How beautiful, Linda. Everything is lovely.” No greed or envy clouded her face.

    “I had a knot in my stomach as I mentally reviewed her housing dilemma. Because there were no apartments available for young couples in Communist Poland, Eva and her husband, Mirek, and little Monika had lived like gypsies during the three years I’d known them. First they lived with Mirek’s parents, then Eva’s. Back and forth from one tiny apartment to the other. Now Eva was pregnant with their second child, and the family still didn’t have a home. If our situations were reversed, I’m sure my face would have been marred by envy.

    “After dinner Eva said she was going upstairs to wash out Monika’s diapers. “Eva,” I said. “You don’t need to wash your daughter’s diapers by hand! I have a washer and dryer. use those.” Eva replied that she was used to hand washing and it wasn’t a problem.

    “After Monika was asleep, Eva and I sat and talked. I asked her the question that had been roaming around in my heart all day. “When you see all the modern conveniences here for mothers of small children – washing machines, disposable diapers, baby food in jars – how do you feel? Life for you in Poland is so much more difficult!”

    “Her response pierced my heart. “Linda, when I lived here in the West, I observed Western women. They have so many things that they don’t need God.””

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  125. SFC Ton says:

    many white women still see white men as their saviors.

    https://qz.com/835567/election-2016-white-women-voted-for-donald-trump-in-2016-because-they-still-believe-white-men-are-their-saviors/
    ……..

    White men are the saviour for the whole damn world you dumb cunt. It wasnt the brown skin hordes or women inventing the modern world

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  126. Yoda says:

    “Intersectionality” bean-counts your Victim Oppression Factors. These include being of a minority race, being a woman (though women are… the majority), being gay, being disabled, being “trans,” and even being fat.

    There’s a lot of Oppression One-Upsmanship going on. (Or: One-Upspyrsynshyp.)

    White women are routinely castigated by the Intersectionalist Victim Oppression Gold-Medal holders for being Mostly Oppressive. After all, they only have one Victim Oppression chit to their credit. They need to shut up and let the true victims finally get the chance to whine about their victimization.

    I agree with the first part, but not the second.

    Even gay people are denigrated by Gold Medal holders for being “cis” as far as gender identification. Trans people often call them selfish for hoarding their Victim Oppression power and not using it to help trans people, who are the real heroes here.

    As I noted last week, female lesbians are insulted for being “vagina fetishists” for refusing to have sex with “trans” women who are sexually attracted to women. And of course what I mean by that is men who want to hook up with lesbians, but who wear their hair long and put on make up and claim that they’re girls. See, they’re girls (with penises) attracted to other girls.

    Girls who dig other girls. Like lesbians. Except, you know — with penises. And even though they like girls, see, they’re “gay,” because they’re actually girls themselves.

    But with penises.

    By the way, a lot of men want to have sex with lesbians. We call these odd creatures “straight men.” Sometimes they betray their own depraved sexual impulses by accidentally posting Busty Lesbian Porn links on their blogs.

    That’s old news, though.

    But this is a new one. Inevitable, yes. Predictable — well, should have been.

    But new.

    Left-wing writers are taking the victim narrative to a new level this week, decrying “straight black men” as the “white people of black people.”
    In a column for The Root’s ‘Very Smart Brothas,” writer Damon Young accused straight black men of having the “type of privilege created for and protected by whiteness.” Black men, while victims of the white man’s oppressiveness, are the oppressors of the nonheterosexual/male black person.

    According to Young, straight black men are overrepresented in social justice circles and racism counters….

    http://ace.mu.nu/archives/371679.php

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  127. thedeti says:

    Ame:

    Let me tell you what it’s like being a man in late 20th/early 21st century United Socialist States of America.

    You grow up learning absolutely nothing about how to relate to women. Everything you’re told is 180 degrees away from accurate. You’re given literally NO useful information AT ALL. NONE. From birth you’re told that you need to be something, make something of yourself. You have no intrinsic worth unless you are useful and helpful to others. And you need to obey. Sit down. Shut up. Don’t do that. Don’t touch that. Don’t go there. Learn this. Don’t learn that. That’s wrong/immoral/bullshit/outdated. Go here. Read this. Don’t read that. Don’t watch that. Don’t listen to that.

    Then you’re told you’re a racist and a sexist. Because you’re a white man, you’re automatically, by definition, racist and sexist. You can’t understand this, because you’ve never done anything like what they’re saying you did, and you’ve never said anything like what they claim you’ve said.

    You do what little they do tell you to do, which is to get good grades, keep your nose clean, and be friends with everyone. Or try to be friends with everyone. You don’t get why you’re just one of the average guys, and no one really seems to like you.

    So you’ve escaped the hell that is American secondary education with your diploma in hand. You’re off to university, where you’re going to figure out what else to do with your life and what Job You Will Hold. There, you’re again told you’re a racist and a sexist, but this time they add “rapist” to your titles. This is even more weird, and insulting, because you’ve never raped anyone, ever. You wouldn’t even think of raping a woman. Well, you’re told, you can rape a girlfriend, you can rape a date. Date rape is a horrible thing.

    And yet, girls are interested in you. But you have to be their friend. You can’t approach, you can’t escalate, you can’t touch. If you want anything sexual you must, MUST, ask permission for anything and everything you want. You cannot just take it, you cannot just act. You cannot be bold. That’s rape. Just taking is rape. Just acting and taking initiative is rape. Boldness is being a cocky asshole, and women don’t like cocky assholes. (Except… they kinda do like cocky assholes…. And this one time I kissed this girl, and she kissed me back, and started taking off her clothes.. and she grabbed my dick….

    NO NO NO NO NO!! They DO NOT like cocky assholes! They like nice men! They are sexually attracted to nice, kind, good hearted, affable, and friendly!! Don’t pay attention to what you’re seeing over there!! They are LYING to you!!! The only girls who like cocky assholes are slutty, stupid, broken, damaged, or crazy! If you date one of “those girls” you’ll be like THEM. You don’t want to be like them, do you? Well, DO YOU??!! ANSWER ME!!

    You’ve got to prove it all day, every day. Every single waking minute of every day you are under the microscope. And it could all come crashing down any minute. One wrong move, one ill-timed statement, one crude joke, one misstep in misreading a girl’s cues, and I’m dead. My dreams of becoming a lawyer? Gone. If I get accused of anything, I’ll never finish school, I’ll never get into law school, I’ll never be anything. And if I can’t work, I can’t make money, and no one will ever want me or love me. It will all be over and gone in a flash, and there is NOTHING I can do about it.

    That’s what it was like.

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  128. Yoda says:

    The 18-year-old arrested man is thought to have lived in a foster home owned by Ronald and Penelope Jones in Sunbury-on-Thames.
    He is thought to have moved to the UK from Iraq aged 15 when his parents died.

    The BBC has learnt that he had been referred to an anti-extremist programme before his arrest.

    https://pjmedia.com/homeland-security/2017/09/20/london-tube-bomber-part-deradicalization-program/

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  129. Ames

    To add to deti.

    Get out of college but “thanks for playing mr 3rd in your class” as they hire the special folk.
    After two combat tours under fire get a job. Work hard cause soldiering on and doing the mission is beat into you.

    Watch women be promoted by regulation not ability. Have the troops rolltheir eyes at her “ideas” and then follow you cause you know the job. Be called to task for “undermining higher authority and not being a team player”. So obey them explicitly and watch it collapse. Then get called out for ” not using your initative to protect the company.” Pendulum between the two for years.

    Be given special projects like build a new facility cause no one else “can talk to the contractors so they understand.” Have seversl “acting” jobs while bosses are on maternity, stress, snowflake leaves. Finally because of their worry about what you might do in your quest for their jobs (after repeatedly Not applying to the rigged competitions) be reduced in force 8 years before yoiur are pensionable. “Its not a firing, its a reorg” then watch them post your duties under a new title.

    That is a good, hardworking provider.

    So what to do?

    Sell the house, pay off debt. Poor you. (Not really the kids just left so we were going to anyway.

    Then take the commuted cash value of the pension you are not eligible to take yet. (Didnt think of that nor read the fine print did ya?)

    So instead of being broke, penniless and so so sorry, you laugh as you force the company to cough up several hundred thousand in cash….NOW…not over twenty years.

    And with several decades of food and rent for your wee cottage in the bank you sit back,
    Listen to the whining, and watch it burn.

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  130. Ames

    To add to deti.

    Get out of college but “thanks for playing mr 3rd in your class” as they hire the special folk.
    After two combat tours under fire get a job. Work hard cause soldiering on and doing the mission is beat into you.

    Watch women be promoted by regulation not ability. Have the troops rolltheir eyes at her “ideas” and then follow you cause you know the job. Be called to task for “undermining higher authority and not being a team player”. So obey them explicitly and watch it collapse. Then get called out for ” not using your initative to protect the company.” Pendulum between the two for years.

    Be given special projects like build a new facility cause no one else “can talk to the contractors so they understand.” Have seversl “acting” jobs while bosses are on maternity, stress, snowflake leaves.

    Finally because of their worry about what you might do in your quest for their jobs (after repeatedly Not applying to the rigged competitions) be reduced in force 8 years before you are pensionable. “Its not a firing, its a reorg” then watch them post your duties under a new title.

    That is a good, hardworking provider.

    So what is a Mgtow to do?

    Sell the house, pay off debt. Poor you. (Not really the kids just left so we were going to anyway.)

    Then take the commuted cash value of the pension you are not eligible to take yet. (Didnt think of that nor read the fine print did ya?)

    So instead of being broke, penniless and so so sorry for being a man…

    You laugh as you force the company to cough up several hundred thousand in cash….NOW…not over twenty years to pay out your pension.

    And with several decades of food and rent for your wee cottage in the bank you sit back and watch your old boss and replacement run around going “well who does x, he did? Well who does y, he did? Well who…he did? How did one person do all that?”

    And tell the troops they can’t get the needed help because “we don’t have the money due to unforseen circumstances.”

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  131. One of the big issues is do you do their shit to protect the company or do you do as ordered and watch it burn. You are either being interfering or not contributing.

    Best example.

    Someone in March told the music major Chief IT Officer at Equifax about an available security patch for a known weakness provided by their vendor. They were obviuosly ignored or flat out told no. Being an IT professional they saw the risk to the company.

    They either decided to let it burn or were cowed into submission.

    Now the powers that be are fucked. And like a good IT professional, the person who could have saved 143 million people, kept the email of them escalating it to the music major.

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  132. Ame says:

    this is so heartbreaking.

    i know my Husband deals w/ all this woman ‘stuff’ in the workforce, too. it’s infuriating.

    it’s overwhelming. it feels so hopeless. i don’t know how those without a Hope live and survive. there is more to this life than what we see; if there weren’t, there would be no hope. in the words of our beloved Bloom, “May those who have ears hear.”

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  133. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Yoda,
    I would like to see Donald Trump put the cuff on Hillary and take her on the perp walk.

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  134. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Stephanie,
    I was going to post the video of the three Swedish female cops failing to arrest the migrant, but YouTube made the video I want to link age restricted. This is becoming a form of deliberate censorship.

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  135. Stephanie says:

    Oh yea Fuzzie it’s ridiculous with the female cops, especially European ones. Maybe Texas got lucky and we have some really brutal women (we’re kind of .. a little bit… raised that way by our dads usually here :/ ).

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  136. Stephanie says:

    Maybe it’s cause we used to be our own republic I don’t know.

    I have a relative who fought and died at the Alamo. His name (my old family name ❤ ) is written on a plaque there along with the few others who made their last stand for white people.

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  137. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    I have been there. If I remember there are 189 names on the plaque, but we may never know the identity of some fifty defenders because they were new arrivals.
    All that is left is the chapel. It is curious that James Michener said in his book three times, that if you want see what the Alamo was supposed be when it was constructed, go see the Carmel Mission. I had to smile reading that. That is home.
    What it may be is that, for Texas women, the men could be gone for long periods and the women had to defend themselves against Comanches.

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  138. Stephanie says:

    Yea I think it’s more a “defense” kind of brutality of if we’re attacked, we’ll try to fight back. But we are still women so unless we have a weapon, we won’t win.

    My grandpa used to read me stories of how brutal the Indian people were to whites. Really disgusting stuff sometimes – not all the time. They way he described it, it was usually the WOMEN Indians that were the harshest toward white captured women. Maybe an envy thing? I don’t know, but I know they seemed so jealous of the white females’ beauty, they’d usually cut off those women’s noses so that the male indians wouldn’t be attracted to them anymore. Just totally destroying the white woman’s beauty by doing that one act to her face.

    And yea, the censorship is scary on youtube 😦

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  139. Ame says:

    wow, Stephanie! that’s impressive!

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