I’ve known only two women who could be described as WGTOW. I think MGTOW behavior, or at least empathy, is central to any coherent RP hypothesis.
Prominent surgeon, completely hosed and harassed in/after divorce by stay-at-home Dad. (When we met I didn’t have to discuss my difficulties in divorce and parenting and money and stuff (all the RP cliches are me). The same fucking things happened to her.) Swore she would never, ever, ever get married or live with a man. Since then she almost married a catfishing ex-con; they got as far as negotiating the equivalent of a pre-nup, to govern his moving in with her.
She had some health issues (premature hip replacement) got overweight, freaked out, had her breasts reduced (husband #1 liked pneumatic big boobs), got her neck lifted, got in shape, called me two weeks ago. She is marrying the man she knew before she met her ex-husband. He has a negative net worth.
She is the most “red pill” woman I’ve known. This is not red pill behavior.
Retired Fortune 50 CFO, former customer of mine. Never married, brilliant, charming, popular, not above having a bender after a night at the symphony. Said to me once, after she retired, “BV, I always thought we would get married. Just don’t bring those girlfriends you have home.” Manages her money well (downsized in retirement from two (2) Gold Coast condos that she merged on Lakeshore Dr. in Chicago, to a LMC townhouse in suburban DC. This is very RP in many ways except … she’s a 250 pound lesbian. So not really in our RP wheelhouse. I will say that she, like Camille Paglia, likes her men red pillish, not that she knows the term.
Apropos MGTOW’s arithmetic/funnel illustration: women obviously don’t understand the arithmetic and exploding risk of spinsterhood after 30. They also don’t understand that by age 40 guys are just going, “Like you know how to be a stable wife? Wouldn’t you have been one already?” They get annoyed when a man observes, “Uh, past behavior indicates future performance?”
At present I know three women who bought into the b.s. that they should Lean In and just make sure they settled down by 35. Well, I know a fourth, but she’s an ex-wife.
#1 Airline pilot. Turned 41 this year. Pregnant, getting married next month. Her fiance is a libertarian entrepreneur, and he’s imposing a pre-nup and she’s complaining to me (!) via email about how unfair it is. Invited me to meet her tomorrow 170 miles away where she has a layover (declined, duh). SIW, macho job, Porsche-driver. Freaked out that she boxed herself into a corner, so says, “Let’s give BV one last shot.” Assumes men don’t learn, and adjust behavior accordingly.
#2 Govvy, 45, missed the marriage and baby train. Asks me if I want to adopt with her (she’s overseas in a convenient place to do so). I have actually said to her, “But baby, you’v never even lived with a guy for more than two years.” Assumes men don’t learn and adjust behavior accordingly.
#3 Aerospace chief engineer on a black project. Very tomboyish, son of Navy Captain, can drink and swear like one too. Very traditional, likes men (good relationship with dad), organized. Had a starter marriage once. She’s 49 now, and the bulk of the men interested in her are married. Finds it unfair and demeaning. Well, yeah.
Feminism makes women stupid. All of us know women whose lives (and perhaps ours) would be enormously more satisfying if they could simply observe behaviors (called RP or otherwise) and modify their own behavior. It will never happen.
I will speculate on what is common between them. Firstly, they all are very competent in their chosen fields.
Next, they all probably had the field mostly cleared for them in their professional life. Doors opened, and they grabbed the opportunities. Men of comparable skill, probably either had to wait longer, or the door never opened for them. Men see this at a young age; it makes them realize that there will be no free lunches for them. To succeed, they often need to be scrappy, talented and lucky.
Of course, these women were once in their late teens and twenties. They were fawned over. It is probably very easy to learn to like being fawned over. Many know what is going on (at least a little bit), and that it is all ephemeral; but still there is something that happens inside after years of such treatment. It would take much work to not become at least a little bit entitled.
Probably these women have never experienced what it is like being on the outside looking in; to be subjected to real continuous struggle (like typical men). That is, until now.
They never had to understand the situations of others, to develop a bit of an empathy for people not themselves, like people who struggle do. This is very possibly the source of much of their surprise. Unfortunately, any understanding for the at this time is too late.