Temptations And Desires


Our good friend Deti over at Dalrock’s stated,

“but feels bad and even a bit scary to call out women on their sins.”

It also feels bad and scary to identify to women the true nature of their temptations and desires, as Dalrock said about. Which isn’t the same as calling them out on their sins, and in fact I think is more difficult.

Most women will not accept that the reason they have hot sexy sex with hot sexy men is because they really, really want to and they really desire those men and DON’T desire their husbands or men who will actually have them as wives. Most women will not accept that they’ll do almost anything (including knowingly sin, including cheat on husbands, including engage in depravity, including shed all their self-respect) to get that hot sex.

When you show/tell women this, they go apoplectic, run to fainting couches, and reach for smelling salts. When you show them examples, they scream and shriek about how hateful/misogynistic you are. We saw this at the old Hooking Up Smart site. Women just can’t handle being told or shown this about themselves, and dissolve into puddles of writhing emotion. It’s really something to see, in real life as well as online.

What is the reason for this?  Why can’t women face that they really want hot sex with bad boy types?

Well, many women do seem to admit this.  Or perhaps, they don’t deny it.  Especially in their twenties.  Often people call these women sluts.

Other women, many of them churchian women, do deny it.  But why?  After all, society and churches have bent to their will almost completely over the last fifty years; why not this?

Perhaps the idea is that beta bux regime would collapse.  Perhaps they, deep in their heart, know that in the bad boy is not a good long term bet.   Perhaps they know that this desire is what sluts have very visibly, and act on it;  nobody wants to be compared to sluts.  For there seems to be a viscerally deep understanding of both sexes that sluts are not good; and one should not be one.

Anyway, it is far better to not be one of those women.  It is better to have things just happen; in a situation where she was helpless in front of the bad brute.  As she was helpless, it is not her fault; she can go back to not being a slut.  One can have their cake and eat it too.

Addendum by Novaseeker

The problem with what the pastors are doing is coming from fear, however. They are afraid of women, and in particular afraid of confronting them about their sins. As Dalrock has said many times, it feels great to call out other men on their sins (real or imagined, doesn’t matter), but feels bad and even a bit scary to call out women on their sins. So you attack the men, no matter what — no matter who is sinning, you attack the men, because it feels good and right to do so, and attacking women for their sins makes you feel like an asshole. That’s the problem. Afraid to feel like an asshole for calling women out on their sins. It’s fear at the core.

Assertion:

“The degree of utter clueless ignorance that relgious leaders in the West have regarding women is kind of amazing. They have to be shutting their eyes and ears sometimes in order to not learn anything.”

Nova’s response:

“It’s based on being afraid to assign any blame, in terms of moral agency, on women. Sometimes they will admit that what women did was not proper, but if there is some man — ANY man — anywhere in the chain of causation, he will be blamed, and not the women. So, in 50SOG, even though the entire thing is invented by women and for women, they can find a man somewhere in the chain — someone who promoted the film, someone who funded it, someone who promoted the book deal and so on. Some man will be held responsible for it, and not the women who were actually reading and watching it — because a world where women are actually having moral agency and can commit seriously immoral sexual sins of their own accord and without a man being assigned principal, overriding, blame for the sins is absolutely terrifying for them — it is paralyzingly terrifying. They will not go there, no matter what. Much better to pretend that all men have control over how much, and in what way, women sin, so that they can feel safe that they can control this in their own women.”

“Folks, this is fundamentally based in fear. Absolute, terrifying fear. These “men” are cowards. They have no right to teach anyone, or to lead anyone, full stop.”

Addendum by Deti,

“What is the reason for this? Why can’t women face that they really want hot sex with bad boy types?”

I think it’s at least one of several things.

1) They cannot accept how shallow they are. Everyone says it, believes it: Women are just more moral, more spiritual, more nurturing and caring, and just all around better people than men are. Or at least that’s how the story goes. Women don’t want to acknowledge they just want to have lots of hot sex with very hot guys; that they engage in sexually depraved acts with those men that they would NEVER engage in with less attractive men, and that they love every minute of that sexual depravity. Because acknowledging that would shatter the illusion they have of themselves.

2) Tied into 1); women are terrified of two things: judgment and rejection. Admitting their enjoyment of sexual depravity with hot guys opens them up to judgment by lesser men, and ultimately rejection. And women just cannot have that. Women just cannot have men who they consider beneath them, judging them, passing judgment on them, and drawing conclusions about them based on past behavior and their verbal admissions. Women just cannot countenance these less attractive, “less than” men rejecting them. Women are absolutely petrified of this happening to them. It’s not just lesser men either – it’s their friends, it’s their families, it’s their parents… It’s everyone.

3) They know these hot guys are just for sex, and the less hot guys are for relationships. Sometimes, in rare flashes of honesty, women will say this.

This idea that women don’t like sex as much as men do and don’t want sex as much as men do is bullshit. Women’s sex drives are lower than men’s are, but women want sex with attractive men for different reasons than men want sex.

Women love cock, they love attractive men’s cocks. They love to fuck attractive men. They absolutely go sexually wild in the presence of a sexually attractive man. And most such women WILL fuck the guy. And why not? There’s absolutely no reason not to. There’s no downside except possibly an STD but most STDs can be cured or medically managed. She can keep it quiet and not discuss it, and no one but the involved men and her best friends will ever know. Pregnancy? Birth control pill is 99% effective.

The difference between transactional sex and validation sex is astonishing. Women in transactional sex will like it sometimes. But it is pedestrian, simple, rote, routine. In validation sex, you’ve got her literally bouncing on your cock. You’ve got her meeting you thrust for thrust. You see her throwing her head back in excitement. She digs her nails into your back. You’ve got her shrieking. She’s telling you to fuck her from behind. She’s sloppily sucking on your dick and balls, and loving every minute of it.

“Well, many women do seem to admit this. Or perhaps, they don’t deny it. Especially in their twenties. Often people call these women sluts.”

More and more women in their 20s are having sex with badboys, including Christian women. Whenever I see any single woman at my church, I presume she is not a virgin and that she’s had sex with at least one or two guys. She certainly isn’t dating/fucking any of the men at my church.

“Other women, many of them churchian women, do deny it. But why? After all, society and churches have bent to their will almost completely over the last fifty years; why not this?”

Even though everyone knows they’re sleeping around, they still deny it. They deny it because they don’t want you judging or rejecting them. And even if you’re judging and rejecting them, they don’t want you SAYING that you’re judging or rejecting them. Because as long as they don’t have to hear it, they’re ok with others thinking it. Plus – badboys don’t judge sluts, or reject sluts for being sluts. (They’ll reject sluts for being difficult or dramatic or conditioning sex or any other number of reasons, but not for promiscuity.)

Sluts deny this because they want to keep beings sluts, away from the cold, prying eyes of those who would judge and reject them – including the lesser men they’ll someday marry.

“Perhaps the idea is that beta bux regime would collapse. Perhaps they, deep in their heart, know that in the bad boy is not a good long term bet. Perhaps they know that this desire is what sluts have very visibly, and act on it; nobody wants to be compared to sluts. For there seems to be a viscerally deep understanding of both sexes that sluts are not good; and one should not be one.”

That’s part of it. They need the beta bux guys to wife them up when the carousel ride is over.

The other part of it is the mental/emotional pathologies that lead women to sluthood. I don’t think slutting in most cases causes the pathology. I think now it’s the other way around. I think that a lot of sluts get promiscuous because there’s some underlying mental or emotional issue leading them to it. Stopping the slutting would cause them to take a look at their mental/emotional pathologies, and that’s hard. It’s easier to use your sexual power to manipulate men into doing what you want and giving you stuff you want and need; than it is to get mentally and emotionally healthy.

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People will not call out women on their sins. People will not confront women and call them out on the carpet on their sins. People won’t do it because they’re afraid of being called mean, judgmental, jerks, mean spirited, cold, cruel, and heartless.

Women won’t do it because they’re afraid they’ll get cut off from the herd. Notice when one woman gets called out how ALL women will close ranks around her – ALL Women, from the sluttiest to the most “holier than thou” women defend her. The Christian woman will defend the slut, the whore, the prostitute, the woman getting the abortion – because preserving and defending and remaining part of Team Woman is more important than adhering to any moral code. And, she wants and needs Team Woman to be there when SHE fucks up and turns out to be the slut, the whore, the prostitute….

Women will not call out women for having abortions. No one wants to punish women having abortions. Reason: Because that would impose a moral code upon her. That would suggest that what she did was wrong and injurious.

Men won’t call women out on their sins because they’re afraid they won’t get laid if they do. Men are afraid women will turn off the sex spigot if men start calling women out on their sins – any sins, not just sexual ones. Women almost always respond to any affront from men by refusing to have sex with them – whether that be a hookup, an FWB, a boyfriend or a husband. Women control and manipulate men with the constant threat of

“don’t you dare call me out, don’t you dare refuse me. If you do, no sex for you! Don’t you dare question me about anything, including my past. If you do, you’re just an insecure asshole and no sex for you! Don’t you dare judge me. You have no right to judge me. If you do try to judge me, no sex for you!”

 

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74 comments on “Temptations And Desires
  1. Mgtowhorseman says:

    The only way to have super hot animal sex is with a stranger or someone who doesn’t give a fuck.

    Once emotions and or familiarity come into it the sex becomes making love, unselfish “are you ok with this, do you like it” wuv.

    Raw animal lust is about Taking. Raw exertion of force.

    Wuv is about giving, sharwing.

    They are by definition dichotomies.

    But womenz Waaaaaant both.

    I want to be Taken. I want to be cherished.

    Shut the Fuck Up and PICK One.

    I have more respect for the hedonistic slut or material gold digger than the “I’m just not happy, in denial gogurl. At least they know exactly what they want and are honest with themselves as to what they are.

    If women were just honest about what they want and what they can realustically can get we would all be happy.

    But that would shatter the delusion

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  2. Mgtowhorseman says:

    Tl:dr

    Only Bad Boys can Fuck because they don’t give a shit about you.

    Only Lovers can Cherish because they will sacrifice for you.

    MGTOW Laugh at you.

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  3. Farm Boy says:

    Women operating (or considering operating) in this manner probably deep down realize that down realize that it is bad for them and society. Women are held up as the paragons of virtue in church and outside of church. So surely they could not even think in such a manner.

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  4. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Farm Boy,
    Do not expect to get a straight answer from a woman in regards to sexuality, ever. They are given over to plausible deniablility and everything about female human sexuality is covert. I do believe you came close to the mark when you mentioned beta bucks. Without that, it is game over for women. However, we are close to that point. Men can’t be fooled like they used to. It is all in their face now. Finally, the government will not be a substitute for beta bucks.They can’t afford to carry all women to that extent.

    Still, women are going to relay on the”:Women are Wonderful” effect for a while longer to mask their motives.

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  5. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    What women don’t understand is that they have made a choice with lifetime consequences. In their youth, they would rather have the attentions of top tier men and exciting bad boys, ignoring the ones who would be husbands and fathers. Those ignored men will get the message and find something else to do with their lives. While I don’t think it is what God wants, I didn’t get to choose.

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  6. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Yoda,
    Pure speculation that article was. Written to encourage people to travel it was.

    There is one thing that I have observed, women do not like having celibacy imposed on them.The decades from the forties on will make for a lot of cranky women.

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  7. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Diana Davison has some interesting ideas.

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  8. Yoda says:

    Still, women are going to rely on the”:Women are Wonderful” effect for a while longer to mask their motives.

    Careful not to believe their own propaganda they should

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  9. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    I can’t understand why the lid hasn’t blown off India yet. this is bad and will fill you with outrage.

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  10. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Yoda,
    There is no delusion quite as powerful as self delusion. They do beli9eve their own BS.

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  11. Yoda says:

    What women don’t understand is that they have made a choice with lifetime consequences.

    Perhaps understand this they do.
    But perhaps care not

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  12. Yoda says:

    There is no delusion quite as powerful as self delusion.

    The media helps much it does

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  13. Yoda says:

    Evergreen State students are using anti-Semitic sentiments to silence Bret Weinstein saying that he’s using his Jewish background to “invalidate the claims of racism being raised against him

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/06/idiotic-evergreen-state-students-accuse-professor-hiding-behind-jewishness/

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  14. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Yoda,
    Are you saying that they believe that they can ride the carousel forever? It is true. Those whom the gods would seek to destroy, they first make proud.

    These SJWs don’t understand what they have done at Mizzou. They are wrecking colleges, biting the hand that feeds them.

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  15. mgtowhorseman says:

    Forties? Try thirties or younger.

    Men of all stripes are seeing the bullshit.
    Pretty only balances out against so much attitude.

    Forget marriage etc. Think of just hitting on a girl to get laid. How much pretty must balance out a shitty attitude or a snarky rejection. How pretty would an Evergreen college student have to be for you to fuck em with that attitude?

    Now look at the average 25 year old. How much b.s. tolerence does 20lbs overweight kill? 30lbs?
    A full sleeve tattoo of skulls? A nose ring.

    Nope a lot of girls starting as young as 25 on up better get used to celibacy.

    MSM focuses on Mgtow’s effect on marriage and relationships. They miss that many of these can’t even be bothered to have ONS. But the wailing has already started.

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  16. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Horseman,
    You bring up a good point. Attitudes are getting worse. It’s one thing to be unattractive. It is quite another to make yourself unattractive. It used to be straightforward to ask a girl out. Now, a boy has to think fast while the girl takes that long, whistling intake of breath before the nuclear rejections.

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  17. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    I thought this was a story from a year ago. The same thing happened on an urban street corner.

    These people are pretty low.

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  18. SFC Ton says:

    Horseman…. your 1st two post are…. well horseshit , to be frank

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  19. Farm Boy says:

    This guy wants Ton’s kin to die. Mine also

    “Economic dislocation and demographic changes are fueling discomfort and desperation among white working-class voters,” wrote WashPo columnist and editorial board member Jonathan Capehart, continuing:

    “The only way of addressing their plight is a form of political hospice care,” [Gest] said. “These are communities that are on the paths to death. And the question is: How can we make that as comfortable as possible?”

    Gest responded to Breitbart’s questions by doubling down, saying immigrants can replace American consumers, workers, and children, and also that expert advice will soothe American communities during their government-managed exit:

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/06/07/political-hospice-way-forward-white-working-class-says-washpo-editor/amp/

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  20. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Farm Boy,
    I can’t “like” that. That man is calling for ethnic cleansing. It must be nice to be wealthy and say such things without the burden of conscience. There only one problem for them, they’re outnumbered. Rich people used to understand things like that.

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  21. Spawny Get says:

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  22. Yoda says:

    “A satisfactory argument for transferring more power to today’s elites would require addressing the people’s legitimate anxieties about the professional class. These include policy incompetence ranging from mismanagement of the economy and immigration to botching diplomacy and the conduct of war; politicization of the administrative state as illustrated by IRS targeting of conservatives during Obama’s first term; and the elite media’s use of double standards in reporting and opining about left and right. Underlying it all is the corruption of liberal education, which has become boot camp for progressivism, and of graduate and professional schools, which provide advance training in the progressive exercise of power. To play the vital role contemplated for them by our constitutional system, intellectual and political elites have a long way to go in regaining the people’s trust.”

    Indeed they do. Remember, Hitler didn’t happen because of Hitler. Hitler happened because of Weimar, which was the failure of the people in charge of the liberal political order to maintain a liberal political order because they were weak, entitled, corrupt, and incompetent.

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2017/06/13/the_people_vs_the_political_professionals_134171.html

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  23. RichardP says:

    A quote from Justin Gest, from Farm Boy’s link above:

    “For many white working class people, … you have a community of people who are advanced in age, whose skill set is for a different economy, who are living in communities that are losing population, losing resources, and so in many ways, the only way of addressing their plight is a form of political hospice care.

    These are communities that are on the paths to death, and the question is how can we make that as comfortable as possible … ”

    A community of this type is the object of Gest’s comments. Yet the article posts comments from a 35-year-old woman who has skills and a job. She is not the demographic about whom Gest is offering his comments.

    The industrial world is full of towns that used to be, but are no more, as “progress” left them in the dust. In the American West, these are called “ghost towns”, and they do exist. The world is full of technology that was replaced by something “better”.

    The death of the old and birth of the new has existed forever. Unfortunately, this process works unfettered only in an environment of abundant open land and natural resources. Doesn’t work so well across multiple industries where open land and natural resources have been largely exhausted. One can see this process at work across time and space in the Robert L.Heilbroner book of essays entitled:

    The Worldly Philosophers

    It is a dense read, best accomplished little bits at a time.

    For those who think it is government’s role to keep communities from going “ghost”, I think Gest’s comments are appropriate. When vast tracts of land were open, and resources were abundant, Gest’s comments are ridiculous, as government’s role in that situation is not as Gest proposes. But, when those vast tracts of land get filled up and resources become used up (think Japan), Gest’s comments deserve careful consideration. He may not have the best solutions – but we will think of other, better, ones only if we recognize that they need to be thought about.

    History shows that folks without hope are expensive. You either spend money to foster that hope (retrain, subsidize living expenses so they can spend, etc.) or you spend money cleaning up after they have stormed the gates and burned down the neighborhoods / towns / cities. But – for Gest’s target communities (filled with the aged), the old are not likely to burn down the town, and we can save money by letting them die alone in their homes with nobody to tend to them, right?? O, wait – who is going to pay for picking up the dead bodies and pay for fighting the epidemic of diseases that will spread when the rats feast on the decomposing corpses?

    Societies are expensive. Ya gotta spend money/resources on them. History demonstrates that it is not a question of whether you spend money/resources, it is a question of how you spend those. We can pretend like we don’t have to spend on society, but the reality is something different. The only way to escape this reality is to go live in the middle of the Great White North or the Australian Outback. Men can do that by themselves. Can women?

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  24. RichardP says:

    Grrrr.

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  25. Yoda says:

    Two sets of boobs in the coat of arms there are?

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  26. Yoda says:

    Grrrr

    Perhaps another bear commenter we have

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  27. Yoda says:

    Perhaps the unstated goal to replace white working class people it is
    Immigrants apparently better and more deserving people they are

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  28. RichardP says:

    No. From the point of the link, the rest of my text was colored blue. The “grrr” was directed at my mistake. Thanks to whoever fixed it.

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  29. Yoda says:

    In an effort to help female students close the gap on men, they will be allowed to sit exams at home.

    Oxford University in the UK is going to let history students answer a paper from home. The paper is part of final year exams which students take in year five.

    http://nypost.com/2017/06/12/university-lets-female-students-take-home-exam-to-try-and-close-gender-gap/

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  30. Yoda says:

    Fixed it using a Jedi Mind Trick I did

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  31. Spawny Get says:

    Just in case the strange condition of what passes for politics in the UK has you confused…

    re Tory/DUP deal, by Irish catholic Melanie McDonagh: https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/06/money-northern-ireland-least-dup-sinn-fein-can-agree/ :

    “what’s not to like about all this for Sinn Fein, the other interested party in the (Good Friday) Agreement? If there is one thing the two parties have in common it’s an interest in increased amounts of subsidy being shifted from the British taxpayer to Northern Ireland.

    Their other common interest is in an open border with the Republic of Ireland – you know, the issue that Remainers go on about. So, as far as SF is concerned, there is in practice much to be said for a Tory/DUP deal, though you. won’t catch them saying so.

    As for Sir John’s suggestion that Scotland and Wales may take exception to Northern Ireland getting its barrel-load of pork from the mainland…is he serious? It’s the English taxpayers who subsidise the Celtic bits of the kingdom, Scotland and Wales included, and who are entitled, if anyone is, to complain… except they never do.”

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  32. Mgtowhorseman says:

    And the cycle starts anew

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  33. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    They never let an opportunity pass to backstab men. How did she get to be a single mom?

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  34. thedeti says:

    You should also quote this from Novaseeker:

    “The problem with what the pastors are doing is coming from fear, however. They are afraid of women, and in particular afraid of confronting them about their sins. As Dalrock has said many times, it feels great to call out other men on their sins (real or imagined, doesn’t matter), but feels bad and even a bit scary to call out women on their sins. So you attack the men, no matter what — no matter who is sinning, you attack the men, because it feels good and right to do so, and attacking women for their sins makes you feel like an asshole. That’s the problem. Afraid to feel like an asshole for calling women out on their sins. It’s fear at the core.”

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  35. Yoda says:

    No problem calling women out on their sins I do.
    Though different from most I am

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  36. thedeti says:

    @ Farm Boy:

    “What is the reason for this? Why can’t women face that they really want hot sex with bad boy types?”

    I think it’s at least one of several things.

    1) They cannot accept how shallow they are. Everyone says it, believes it: Women are just more moral, more spiritual, more nurturing and caring, and just all around better people than men are. Or at least that’s how the story goes. Women don’t want to acknowledge they just want to have lots of hot sex with very hot guys; that they engage in sexually depraved acts with those men that they would NEVER engage in with less attractive men, and that they love every minute of that sexual depravity. Because acknowledging that would shatter the illusion they have of themselves.

    2) Tied into 1); women are terrified of two things: judgment and rejection. Admitting their enjoyment of sexual depravity with hot guys opens them up to judgment by lesser men, and ultimately rejection. And women just cannot have that. Women just cannot have men who they consider beneath them, judging them, passing judgment on them, and drawing conclusions about them based on past behavior and their verbal admissions. Women just cannot countenance these less attractive, “less than” men rejecting them. Women are absolutely petrified of this happening to them. It’s not just lesser men either – it’s their friends, it’s their families, it’s their parents… It’s everyone.

    3) They know these hot guys are just for sex, and the less hot guys are for relationships. Sometimes, in rare flashes of honesty, women will say this.

    This idea that women don’t like sex as much as men do and don’t want sex as much as men do is bullshit. Women’s sex drives are lower than men’s are, but women want sex with attractive men for different reasons than men want sex.

    Women love cock, they love attractive men’s cocks. They love to fuck attractive men. They absolutely go sexually wild in the presence of a sexually attractive man. And most such women WILL fuck the guy. And why not? There’s absolutely no reason not to. There’s no downside except possibly an STD but most STDs can be cured or medically managed. She can keep it quiet and not discuss it, and no one but the involved men and her best friends will ever know. Pregnancy? Birth control pill is 99% effective.

    The difference between transactional sex and validation sex is astonishing. Women in transactional sex will like it sometimes. But it is pedestrian, simple, rote, routine. In validation sex, you’ve got her literally bouncing on your cock. You’ve got her meeting you thrust for thrust. You see her throwing her head back in excitement. She digs her nails into your back. You’ve got her shrieking. She’s telling you to fuck her from behind. She’s sloppily sucking on your dick and balls, and loving every minute of it.

    “Well, many women do seem to admit this. Or perhaps, they don’t deny it. Especially in their twenties. Often people call these women sluts.”

    More and more women in their 20s are having sex with badboys, including Christian women. Whenever I see any single woman at my church, I presume she is not a virgin and that she’s had sex with at least one or two guys. She certainly isn’t dating/fucking any of the men at my church.

    “Other women, many of them churchian women, do deny it. But why? After all, society and churches have bent to their will almost completely over the last fifty years; why not this?”

    Even though everyone knows they’re sleeping around, they still deny it. They deny it because they don’t want you judging or rejecting them. And even if you’re judging and rejecting them, they don’t want you SAYING that you’re judging or rejecting them. Because as long as they don’t have to hear it, they’re ok with others thinking it. Plus – badboys don’t judge sluts, or reject sluts for being sluts. (They’ll reject sluts for being difficult or dramatic or conditioning sex or any other number of reasons, but not for promiscuity.)

    Sluts deny this because they want to keep beings sluts, away from the cold, prying eyes of those who would judge and reject them – including the lesser men they’ll someday marry.

    “Perhaps the idea is that beta bux regime would collapse. Perhaps they, deep in their heart, know that in the bad boy is not a good long term bet. Perhaps they know that this desire is what sluts have very visibly, and act on it; nobody wants to be compared to sluts. For there seems to be a viscerally deep understanding of both sexes that sluts are not good; and one should not be one.”

    That’s part of it. They need the beta bux guys to wife them up when the carousel ride is over.

    The other part of it is the mental/emotional pathologies that lead women to sluthood. I don’t think slutting in most cases causes the pathology. I think now it’s the other way around. I think that a lot of sluts get promiscuous because there’s some underlying mental or emotional issue leading them to it. Stopping the slutting would cause them to take a look at their mental/emotional pathologies, and that’s hard. It’s easier to use your sexual power to manipulate men into doing what you want and giving you stuff you want and need; than it is to get mentally and emotionally healthy.

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  37. thedeti says:

    Here’s more from Novaseeker on men who won’t confront slutty, sinful women:

    “The degree of utter clueless ignorance that relgious leaders in the West have regarding women is kind of amazing. They have to be shutting their eyes and ears sometimes in order to not learn anything.”

    Nova’s response:

    “It’s based on being afraid to assign any blame, in terms of moral agency, on women. Sometimes they will admit that what women did was not proper, but if there is some man — ANY man — anywhere in the chain of causation, he will be blamed, and not the women. So, in 50SOG, even though the entire thing is invented by women and for women, they can find a man somewhere in the chain — someone who promoted the film, someone who funded it, someone who promoted the book deal and so on. Some man will be held responsible for it, and not the women who were actually reading and watching it — because a world where women are actually having moral agency and can commit seriously immoral sexual sins of their own accord and without a man being assigned principal, overriding, blame for the sins is absolutely terrifying for them — it is paralyzingly terrifying. They will not go there, no matter what. Much better to pretend that all men have control over how much, and in what way, women sin, so that they can feel safe that they can control this in their own women.

    “Folks, this is fundamentally based in fear. Absolute, terrifying fear. These “men” are cowards. They have no right to teach anyone, or to lead anyone, full stop.”

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  38. thedeti says:

    And that last quote above from Nova is the main thing going on here.

    People will not call out women on their sins. People will not confront women and call them out on the carpet on their sins. People won’t do it because they’re afraid of being called mean, judgmental, jerks, mean spirited, cold, cruel, and heartless.

    Women won’t do it because they’re afraid they’ll get cut off from the herd. Notice when one woman gets called out how ALL women will close ranks around her – ALL Women, from the sluttiest to the most “holier than thou” women defend her. The Christian woman will defend the slut, the whore, the prostitute, the woman getting the abortion – because preserving and defending and remaining part of Team Woman is more important than adhering to any moral code. And, she wants and needs Team Woman to be there when SHE fucks up and turns out to be the slut, the whore, the prostitute….

    Women will not call out women for having abortions. No one wants to punish women having abortions. Reason: Because that would impose a moral code upon her. That would suggest that what she did was wrong and injurious.

    Men won’t call women out on their sins because they’re afraid they won’t get laid if they do. Men are afraid women will turn off the sex spigot if men start calling women out on their sins – any sins, not just sexual ones. Women almost always respond to any affront from men by refusing to have sex with them – whether that be a hookup, an FWB, a boyfriend or a husband. Women control and manipulate men with the constant threat of

    “don’t you dare call me out, don’t you dare refuse me. If you do, no sex for you! Don’t you dare question me about anything, including my past. If you do, you’re just an insecure asshole and no sex for you! Don’t you dare judge me. You have no right to judge me. If you do try to judge me, no sex for you!”

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  39. Mgtowhorseman says:

    Deti.

    The threat of withdrawing sex is Team Women’s most powerful weapon.

    But why do so many remove the bullets from the clip with obesity, etc??

    Especially the 40 something divorcees looking for number 2.
    Over 40 males our sex drive drops just enough we are not in lust with everything in sight like our twenties. A fat forty year old won’t get a rise out of anyone let alone back up a threat of “well then, none of THIS”

    ZFG is the equivalent of body armour against a twenty something.
    A post Wall 40 year old is packing an unloaded gun and so requires no defense.

    At least bring a knife to a gunfight in the form of a sweet disposition.

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  40. thedeti says:

    “The threat of withdrawing sex is Team Women’s most powerful weapon.

    Yes.

    “But why do so many remove the bullets from the clip with obesity, etc??”

    Well, they’re finding out that it doesn’t matter if they’re fat or not. Men are so thirsty they’re getting more and more willing to fuck fat women. Your average obese woman can STILL find a guy willing to fuck her.

    “Especially the 40 something divorcees looking for number 2.”

    Well, if they’re looking for a second husband, yeah, most women are having a rough time of it at least in my little neck of the woods. Women are finding out if they want attractive men in their late 30s and early 40s, they still have to put out and they need to do so fast. Because if they won’t, these guys just move on to someone who will. There are so many of these women between 35 and 50 where I’m from.

    “Over 40 males our sex drive drops just enough we are not in lust with everything in sight like our twenties. A fat forty year old won’t get a rise out of anyone let alone back up a threat of “well then, none of THIS””

    Yeah a lot of these guys have absolutely zero patience for any bullshit from these divorcees.

    I really think that a lot of these men should just judge and let the chips fall where they may. The response to “no sex for you” in a marriage should be “no sex? No marriage. Pack your shit, you’re going to your parents’. Your dad gave you to me to have and to hold. So if I don’t get to have or hold you, then you’re not mine anymore and you’re going back to your dad. You can be his problem.”

    No sex? No financial support. No fucks, no bucks. No sex, no checks. No lay, no pay.

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  41. thedeti says:

    “No sex, no checks”

    Or, “cheques” for our Brit and Canadian friends.

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  42. Spawny Get says:

    “cheques”

    You’re a proper gent, guv. And no error

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  43. Spawny Get says:

    Gentlemen, start your popcorn makers

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  44. Spawny Get says:

    I’ve used a simple test on any suspected cuck that I’ve come across, for years. Just ask if there’s anything wrong in society that they blame on women, in whole or part. At least they’re honest, they don’t even pretend that there is anything they’ll hold women responsible for. It’s just insane.

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  45. Spawny Get says:

    The reason that Evergreen has a 98%+ acceptance rate?

    The entrance exam. Half right and you’re in

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  46. Spawny Get says:


    Shirley a great read for MGTOWs

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  47. SFC Ton says:

    Nova says a lot of important shit. Pretty weird considering he is a lawyer but there it is

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  48. SFC Ton says:

    Men should remember a pussy is nothing but a high maintenance, problematic hole unless a cock is buried in it.

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  49. Farm Boy says:

    The Last Night is a dystopian, cyberpunk game with a Blade Runner feel, offering players a chance to explore a visually striking world that combines 3D and retro-2D graphics.
    The game, developed by newcomer Tim Soret, turned heads when it was revealed earlier today at E3, the world’s largest gaming expo.

    It also attracted the fury of the social justice left, after it emerged that Soret once supported the GamerGate movement, which criticized feminist and leftist attempts to make the world of gaming politically correct.

    Soret has also said he opposes feminism but supports egalitarianism.

    http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2017/06/11/leftist-knives-last-night-game-developer-e3/

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  50. Farm Boy says:

    People won’t do it because they’re afraid of being called mean, judgmental, jerks, mean spirited, cold, cruel, and heartless.

    I have been called that my entire life. So it doesn’t bother me so much. Being an INTJ is just so much fun.

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  51. Farm Boy says:

    In validation sex, you’ve got her literally bouncing on your cock. You’ve got her meeting you thrust for thrust. You see her throwing her head back in excitement. She digs her nails into your back. You’ve got her shrieking. She’s telling you to fuck her from behind. She’s sloppily sucking on your dick and balls, and loving every minute of it.

    Perhaps Deti should write a 50 Shades of Grey sequel. At least a script consultant

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  52. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Spawny Get,
    Someone should remind Jean-Claude Juncker that the the slogan “:First to Fight” does not belong to any one branch to the military in any one country, it belongs to a whole country.

    I don’t think that the EU will ever be of much help to Poland. They were due for a break.

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  53. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Honor to the Czechs

    And to the Hungarians.

    Somebody has to tell the unelected nogoodniks where to get off.

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  54. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    As for what Deti was talking about, we may be on the verge of something. The betas who would be good fathers and husbands are getting the word. Women have put them on a shelf since puberty, while they rode the carousel. How much of a threat is it to cut off sex to someone made effectively an incel by the sexual marketplace? I think that women are going to realize they cut their own throats chasing bad boys because there is no converting a whore into a housewife.

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  55. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    As for the joys of validation sex, that is only available to men well out of the woman’s league. Maybe that is the problem. It is too easy for women to obtain sex from men out of their league. They only realize they are out of their league when they try to upgrade the relationship from short term to long term, if then.

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  56. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    I found this all on my own. This should cheer up our Glorious Patriarch.

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  57. Spawny Get says:

    Oh, I was aware that he survived. Good bloke. Dominic Raab made it through too, he has a similar history.

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  58. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Maybe we can torment the fembots by spreading rumors about Jess Phillips?

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  59. Yoda says:

    Pennsylvania supermarket shooter Randy Stair left behind a trove of material explaining his motivations for gunning down three of his co-workers. In his recorded suicide notes, released just hours before Thursday’s rampage, the 24-year-old talked extensively about his depression and about who he was as a person—a transgender woman who hated men and toxic masculinity.

    https://heatst.com/culture-wars/pennsylvania-market-shooter-identified-as-transgender-woman-who-hated-all-men/

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  60. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Yoda,
    If Tarn were around, she could help explain that tormented individual. Still, feminists are going to chalk this up to “toxic masculinity”.

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  61. Yoda says:

    Cambridge academics are being discouraged from using terms such as genius, brilliant or flair in feedback for fear of alienating female students.

    It is one of a series of moves lecturers say will help women – including changing exams and even removing portraits of men from the library.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4598036/Saying-genius-brilliant-alienate-female-students.html

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  62. Yoda says:

    The man who simply bought a ticket for an all-female screening of “Wonder Woman” revealed an ugly side to modern female empowerment. Stephen Miller of Heat Street was called every name in the book on Twitter by feminists (male and female) for buying that ticket.

    He presumably wanted to make a statement about both equal rights and the folly of such a theatrical stunt. Imagine if a theater featured an all-male screening for the next “Thor” movie?

    Miller went high with his approach on Twitter, calmly restating his intentions pre-screening without directly feeding the online trolls. His critics? They went low. How low?

    http://www.hollywoodintoto.com/wonder-woman-death-female-empowerment/

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  63. Stephanie says:

    Its probably just my foggy pregnancy brain… but I don’t understand if this thread is trying to say that woman have to pick between having amazing sex or a good provider? can’t it be both??
    I know for our marriage it definitely is, and Liz’s marriage is the same way.
    There’s a dichotomy in this thread it seems that a wife can’t be her husband’s lover or whore. I’m confused….

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  64. Stephanie says:

    …. And what deti described – the good sex- isn’t that what almost every man wants? For a woman to have sex with him like that?

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  65. SFC Ton says:

    No one can explain such oddities

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  66. Mgtowhorseman says:

    Poland endured the german and soviet occupation. You think they are going to let yet another authoritarian group tell them what to do with their borders.

    Steph. It is possible but rare. As someone pointed out modern “marriageable” men (i.e. anyone willing to give up easy sexual marketplace for commitment) mostly must wait until their thirties to get any sexual experience. They are trained to be eunichs. They have thirst but no technique or attraction. They are too comforting and pleasing to ” take” a woman. If they do they often apologize for getting out of hand. Thats what I meant by my first two posts.

    After 30 years we have that back. Kitchen sex, backyard sex, pool sex.
    But only after seperating and radical changes in attitude on both sides.
    Plus knowing each other since 16 and marrying at 23 pretty much negated the carousel.

    You train a generation to have no sex for decades you get a generation who likes sex but has othet priorities well established. Remember a basis of psych and adult learning is the base habits are ingrained 15-25 and are difficult to change in adulthood.

    So a eunich stays a eunich, an asshole stays an asshole and a slut stays a slut.
    And nice intelligent men and the few women….stay married.

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  67. Yoda says:

    Hillary Clinton compared herself to DC Comics superhero Wonder Woman Tuesday in a video message, which aired at the Women in Film Los Angeles’ Crystal + Lucy Awards in Beverly Hills.

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2017/06/14/watch-hillary-clinton-compares-herself-to-wonder-woman/

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  68. Yoda says:

    A new post there is

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  69. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Stephanie,
    It’s not you, but most women have chosen to postpone marriage and “have fun”. The guys who would be good husbands and fathers are ignored in favor of guys who are only in it for short term. By the time these ignored guys get tapped, they have spent half their lives celibate. Of course there are going to be problems. That and a well of resentment that makes the Ogallala aquifer seem like a puddle.

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  70. Stephanie says:

    Glad you have that back Horseman.

    “Remember a basis of psych and adult learning is the base habits are ingrained 15-25 and are difficult to change in adulthood.”

    ^^I think women should be trained to be chaste before marriage – and really value it not just because God values it, but because their husband will REALLY benefit from it as well. But I also think teen girls should have open conversations with their moms and trained how amazing sex is going to be, have all their questions answered way beforehand, and really understand how there’s a flip that switches once she gets married and goes from completely chaste, to wild, passionate, crazy sex. I get it that it’s hard for people to understand a person going from one way to another, but i think it’s the way it’s supposed to be. I had that kind of relationship with my mom where I could freely talk about all those things, and she was also a virgin when she got married. Not all girls have this with their mom, I actually mentored some who didn’t have that kind of honest communication with their parents… it’s like the moms set those girls up for struggle or even failure to make that switch.

    Fuzzie I get it I think… I’m sure there is resentment. :/

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  71. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Stephanie,
    I think that most parents hand their kids a book. Mine did.

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