Some sad news


(I didn’t want to put this in comments on the current thread.  Apologies to Farm Boy for publishing without consultation)
I’m sure that many here will have fond memories of JustFourGuys. I don’t know if Morpheus will be posting anywhere else, if he does please leave a link in comments and go comment there directly.There are some echoes of my experiences twenty years ago which at the time I had no basis for understanding my instincts that I needed to ‘let her go’. Morpheus has that understanding, I hope that it is of help to him even if it is of no comfort.

Morpheus’ comment on Rollo’s blog

Much of the modern divorce-porn (Eat, Pray, Love) narrative centers on exactly this dissatisfaction in women. The hope that’s sold to women is that it’s not too late to divorce your boring husband and fly off to the Bahamas to meet the kind of guy whom she can completely submit herself to. Even if it’s never the case that she takes action on the fantasy the popularity of that fantasy speaks volumes about the state of women and their submitting to men.

This post is probably a good place for this comment. I intended to leave some comments on previous posts but did not do so.

First, Rollo, I want to take this opportunity to thank you again as your writings were instrumental in my personal unplugging from the matrix many years ago. I owe you a debt of gratitude than can never be repaid. With the passing of Private Man, I wanted to mention that.

Regarding marriage/Blue Pill/Red Pill etc. let me offer these thoughts. My own marriage, my 2nd recently ended. My wife left 2 weeks ago, and then followed up with an e-mail informing me she had begun divorce proceedings. I consider myself someone who has fully internalized Red Pill views/beliefs and I went into this marriage with that perspective, but here is the thing. No matter how Red Pill you are, the rest of the world is Blue Pill, and in your marriage doesn’t exist on an island of isolation. There is alot of potentially Blue Pill advice that can influence the woman to call it quits. In Blue Pill world, there are certain expectations on the man, and if you don’t live up to those, it can be problematic.

As of right now, I’d have to say I do believe men should avoid marriage or at least go into it with a full understanding of potential pitfalls in a Blue Pill world, maybe there is a post here Rollo. One big problem is you have plenty of institutions feeding the divorce porn narrative including Churches and social media. Facebook is absolutely insidious because a woman can go to Facebook and get instant validation of her marriage dissatisfaction plus support for unrealistically high appraisals of her own SMV. There are plenty of people of both sexes willing to tell her how gorgeous, sexy, hot she is without the ability of the real dating market to introduce her to reality of her SMV as defined by the actual quality of men interested in her. So she blows up her marriage because of her validated righteous dissatisfaction and only will time teach her what awaits on the other side like Eat Pray Live woman. This is further compounded because in marriage you can’t really Spin Plates per se, and inducing “Dread” is more problematic so it is difficult to get across to her the SMV of the husband and his real options on the dating market.

If there is one Red Pill aspect to my situation, I can say that I didn’t beg or plead for her to come back as I realized that if I did that what I would be getting back would no longer be worth having. She couldn’t come back under the condition of me prostrating myself and setting up a dynamic where she is the “prize” and I am lucky to have her. The relationship dynamic would have been wrecked forever. So I let her go. In time, she will be hitting me up and it is just a question of whether I completely blow her off, or just enjoy some company and sex, but she has to venture into the real dating market and experience the reality of what is out there.

So marriage is tough in this world where there are many institutional forces of a blue pill nature ready and willing to feed into a woman’s dissatisfaction or hypergamy subroutine that she can “do better” and once you are married alot of the power of the guy is taken away by social and legal institutions

Addendum by Morpheous

Actually, I don’t mind hearing from women on this issue or topic. Although in the mass media it is popular and lazy thinking to characterize all “Red-Pillers” as “women haters”, I have never hated women as a gender. I believe men and women are very different in many important ways that have implications for relationships.

Ironically, it is a woman (married) who reached out to me on Facebook after some of my posts to offer a sympathetic ear. We’ve been chatting a lot the past few weeks which has been a fun distraction for me.

The exact specifics of why my wife left and decided to start the divorce process are unimportant. They are basically just a variation on “I’m not happy” and rather then try to work through some issues of conflict, she decided ending things is better for her. I think what is important is how she likely arrived at that conclusion that whatever is on the other side is “better”.

There are a few Sphere residents who’ve seen pictures of my wife. They can attest she has a very attractive face for a woman her age (43) (I am also 43). But she has gained an enormous amount of weight in our time together. Point being, she most likely has a severely distorted self-appraisal of her SMV. She can put up a new profile pic on FB, and have 100 likes with 80 comments telling her how sexy, gorgeous, hot she is, but they are always just carefully angled face shots. In the real world, men are going to see the entire package.

I’m in pretty good shape myself for being 43, in fact I’d easily argue that I am much better looking for a 43 year old guy than she is for a 43 year old woman. But, and this is a big BUT, I am currently unemployed, and I’m sure that her assessment of my SMV/MMV is negatively impacted by my unemployment.

So really, this is just the hypergamy subroutine running in her head that she “can do better” with plenty of support from Facebook, family, etc. that she can. It is only when she reenters the actual real dating market that reality is going to hit her like a semi-truck. As I told someone else, I’ll eventually find employment, she can’t rewind time and has demonstrated an inability to get the large amount of excess weight off. In the olden days, most social and institutional structures were set up to encourage women to stick to their wedding vows, to try and fight through rough times. Not so today. Facebook “friends” stand ready and willing to provide enormous validation. In my case, I’m certain her family provided a lot of negative and poisonous “advice”.

Based on my experience (2 marriages) many/most? women want to GET MARRIED. They are wired to push the man for monogamous commitment of marriage but many/most women are not wired to STAY MARRIED. They enter marriage with unrealistic expectations of daily married life (expecting a continuation of the courting/dating phase) and without a true committed resolved to working through tough times. A moment of impulsive emotional feelings of “unhappiness” is enough to say fuck it and kill the marriage without even a second thought as to the long-term ramifications. I told my wife in my reply e-mail that one day she will wake up and realize she made a terrible mistake. I’d bet good money on that. I’d throw $1000 on the table right now that sometime in the next 6-18 months she will be hitting me up.

I’m trying to take this all in perspective. We have no kids, so there is no child custody issues. She was extremely financially irresponsible to a degree I am just now finding out about entirely so I may be on the hook legally for some of her debts. We shall see. I’m hopeful we’ll negotiate something reasonable instead of spending $10,000 each in lawyer fees arguing over who gets the bed.

I’m a glass half-full kind of guy, so I am trying to stay optimistic. For one, I had a list of things on my sexual bucket list that I had written off because I was a monogamous loyal guy and would never had cheated on her no matter how much I wanted certain experiences. Now that I will be single, I intend to pursue those specific experiences. The truth is I miss her a lot right now (together 11 years, married 3 1/2) but I am already thinking about some of the positives of single life again.

It would be interesting to read that post on Facebook Stephanie. Facebook, and a woman’s “friends” and orbiters are very effective in selling a woman a delusional view of reality, and I suspect many women make choices they ultimately regret because of the role Facebook played in that decision making process.

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120 comments on “Some sad news
  1. Yoda says:

    All men understand this they should.

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  2. Yoda says:

    Han Solo post again he should

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  3. Spawny Get says:

    I need cheering up.

    A look into the future. The day after the impending general election. In a parallel universe even more fucked up than our own…the laba-limp-dumb-greenie-scoznaz have won power

    DiscoDroid is the twitter account of EraserOfLove as far as I can tell. In case you were wondering.

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  4. Yoda says:

    Which one Nicola Sturgeon it was?

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  5. Yoda says:

    Appropriate music for discodroid this is

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  6. Spawny Get says:

    I shall try and remember to post him that after their video watershed.

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  7. Spawny Get says:

    You’ll love this one

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  8. Spawny Get says:

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  9. Spawny Get says:

    Diane Abbot had a car-crash couple of interviews this morning. Even the ABBC have had a go.

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  10. Stephanie says:

    I don’t think he’d appreciate hearing from a woman at this time so I won’t comment there. But what he said about facebook is so true. It’s like a constant battle for a woman’s mind there, and I’ve seen even smart ones get confused about what is good versus bad.

    I’ve been writing a post (that started in my head over half a year ago now) about this topic concerning facebook and married women. I’ll link it here when it’s done.

    So sorry for Morpheus.

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  11. Spawny Get says:

    Stephanie, you’re very welcome to post a link to your posts here.

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  12. hansolo007 says:

    @Yoda, how’s it going? I would like to do some writing again.

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  13. hansolo007 says:

    And I do wish Morpheus the best as he deals with this.

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  14. Stephanie says:

    Thank you Spawny, you’re so kind 🙂

    This is just from my point of view seeing the strange “new norm” on facebook regarding marriage and happy couples:
    https://girlwithadragonflytattoo.com/2017/05/02/unhappily-married-women-claiming-happy-couples-are-fake-on-social-media/

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  15. Yoda says:

    Great to have insight of Han Solo on this blog it would be.

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  16. hansolo007 says:

    Good post, Stephanie.

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  17. Spawny Get says:

    I may not have been as clear as I’d like. Stephanie you’re welcome to link to every post here as you post it. Not just that one which was a great post on a depressing subject..

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  18. Spawny Get says:

    One of the funniest comedy series ever.

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  19. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    i found that reading this post is very discouraging. There is little that men can do in the face of a woman determined to wreck her own marriage. So much for red pill wisdom. There is a saying that is making the rounds on the MGTOW threads, “She was never yours, It was just your turn.” I don’t think that modern women have the loyalty or fidelity anymore to make marriage a decent risk. My apologies to all the ladies that mean well, but if spending time on facebook gives women enough to nuke their marriages, men should stay away from both marriage and facebook.

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  20. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Spawny Get,
    Not only are feminists man haters, they are also tax and spend legislators. Dianne Abbott has got to go.

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  21. SFC Ton says:

    That does suck

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  22. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Han Solo,
    Good to see you here. I hope that this helps with ridding yourself of the disco version.

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  23. Spawny Get says:

    Have you seen this version before?

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  24. Ame says:

    😦

    i hate that. i hate all of it 😦

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  25. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Spawny Get,
    Is the the approved response?

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  26. molly says:

    Spawny the clip 11:44 pm is the funniest thing for ages! It explains the other old clip. They interrupted him and he was quite polite and joined in the chant until he started his REEEEE and the other bloke threw a paddy! MWAHAHA!
    He was too eccentric LOL

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  27. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Molly!!!
    I stumbled across this. It seems that there is someone in Auckland who can help you with your dream bike.

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  28. Yoda says:

    Apparently a pecking order there is

    Thought crimes watch: comparing trans-racialism to transgenderism verboten!

    A majority of the editorial board of an allegedly scholarly journal apologizes for publishing an article (which presumably went through whatever passes for peer review there) called “In Defense of Transracialism,” by Rebecca Tuvel, an Assistant Professor of Philosophy at Rhodes College. Here’s the abstract for the thought crime article:

    Former NAACP chapter head Rachel Dolezal’s attempted transition from the white to the black race occasioned heated controversy. Her story gained notoriety at the same time that Caitlyn (formerly Bruce) Jenner graced the cover of Vanity Fair, signaling a growing acceptance of transgender identity. Yet criticisms of Dolezal for misrepresenting her birth race indicate a widespread social perception that it is neither possible nor acceptable to change one’s race in the way it might be to change one’s sex. Considerations that support transgenderism seem to apply equally to transracialism. Although Dolezal herself may or may not represent a genuine case of a transracial person, her story and the public reaction to it serve helpful illustrative purposes.

    Apparently the “harm” to Prof. Tuvel of a public apology by the majority of the editorial board of the journal that published her article was outweighed by the “harm” of her thought crime to transgender people. (Addendum: no thought crime is complete without a public letter of protest. What is chilling about this is that instead of this campaign of vilification of a junior faculty member and demand for “retraction” of her article, someone could have written a response piece and sent it to the same journal. But this is obviously not a scholarly community, but a political one. Those familiar with the history of 20th-century Marxist movements will recognize what’s going on here, and it isn’t a happy sight.)

    http://leiterreports.typepad.com/blog/2017/05/thought-crimes-watch-comparing-trans-racialism-to-transgenderism-verboten.html

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  29. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Yoda,
    May they harm each other to their detriment.

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  30. Yoda says:

    Wonder if Ms. Abbott realizes how stupid she sounds I do

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  31. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Yoda,
    You have made me see that lack of self awareness is a blessing to some.

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  32. Yoda says:

    Reminds me of “The Emperor With No Clothes” Ms. Abbott does.
    Fortunately clothes she does have

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  33. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Politics does not seem to attract good looking women. Here are some exceptions.

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  34. Yoda says:

    Boobs they have

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  35. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Yes, they have those, and pretty faces too! Sadly, none with little round ears on top of their heads.

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  36. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Two points, Yoda!

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  37. I am so sorry to hear this. Morphs is a good man. These silly women, they have no idea. It’s really sad how pretty much all of society feeds the delusion that when things get tough or dull or whatever, the answer is to seek greener pastures. That is such a lie! The answer is to honor one’s commitment and not to be so rediculous not to see this too shall pass. Any woman (or man) who expects their partner to make them “happy” or “complete” or “fulfilled” is trying to blame an external source for an internal problem. Happiness is an inside job — and whether one sees the glass as half empty or half full is actually a personal choice. I have been pondering a post on this very topic. His wife’s a fool. She will see. And she’s got none to blame but herself. Life is hard, and without a good man it can be very very hard indeed.

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  38. I know very few women better off post divorce. I know many men doing just fine post divorce. And it’s not because of “male privilege” either.

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  39. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Bloom,
    I am beginning to see this as a mostly female problem. Men will commit. This explains why seventy percent of all divorces are initiated by women. I am sorry, but women are doing this to themselves and it is collective. There are too few individuals like yourself trying to talk them out of it.

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  40. […] day and thought how well it caputures the idea of “frivorce.” Unfortunately, reading of the latest from Morpheus reminded me to post it. Take heed ladies, it’s a cold and cruel world on one’s own, not […]

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  41. Fuzzie, I get what you are saying, but many of the men these women re chasing are those who won’t or can’t commit. Bad choices = Bad outcomes. I see it all the time in real life, women can be very very foolish…

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  42. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Bloom,
    It is a little reminiscent of Groucho Marx’s line about not wanting to join any club that would have him.

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  43. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Yoda,
    I saw the original in the theater. It is one of the best movies ever made.

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  44. Yoda says:

    Perhaps do “Yellow Submarine” to “Empire Strikes Back” they will.

    “We all live on swampy Degoba, swampy Degoba”

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  45. Yoda says:

    Two points, Yoda!

    One for each boob suppose I do

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  46. SFC Ton says:

    Why are those political chicks wearing clothes?

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  47. Spawny Get says:

    A cut out and keep guide to UK politics

    well handy innit

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  48. Yoda says:

    The UK won’t pay a 100bn-euro (£84bn) “divorce bill” to leave the EU, Brexit Secretary David Davis has said, as the two sides clashed over the issue.
    He told ITV’s Good Morning Britain the UK would pay what was legally due, in line with its rights and obligations, but “not just what the EU wants”.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-39789903

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  49. Spawny Get says:

    The 100Bn issue looks like a real mistake to the Brits. Get fucked, basically. Anybody paying the EU anything remotely close to that will be electoral cancer for all time. It gets the British back up, with even remoaners seeing the EU for the bullies that they are. So what’s up?

    BUT it does play well for the French Prez Election on Sunday and ze Cherman elections later in the year. The FU, I mean EU, wants the French proles to be scared of voting Le Pen and her going for Frexit as she’s indicated. Frexit makes poo come out of the EU underpants…that will be curtains.

    So for the domestic EU ruling class and dense prolerati (that receive money from Britain) the worse BREXIT is for Britain the better that they like it.

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  50. Spawny Get says:

    Mrs May (note change from disMay 🙂 ) giving the EU both barrels just now

    YAY. As I said, the 100Bn bill going down here like a pint of cold sick

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  51. Spawny Get says:

    Friend Lefty slips the stiletto of reality in

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  52. Spawny Get says:

    Listening to the speech now. I think she’s pissed off by the EU and their leaking from earlier in the week. This might be the way to have achieved a Tory leader with backbone…too funny

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  53. Spawny Get says:

    Roger Ackroyd • 32 minutes ago
    Interestingly Theresa May gave the EU both barrels in that speech immediately after her return from Buck House to notify Queenie that Parliament was now in derogation. I wonder if Brenda gave her some ammunition, one of Phillip’s 12 bores and told her to get out there and shoot the EU fuckers (or words to that effect).
    (May’s speech will have knocked whatever Labour policy announcement was today – “our” NHS was it? – way past Long On.)

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  54. Spawny Get says:

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  55. Spawny Get says:

    jesus • 18 minutes ago
    After Cameron accidentally called a referendum he went to his EU bosses and reassured them that all would be well if they threw him a few bones to take to the plebs. The EU told him to tell the people to go fuck themselves, that there would be no bones. So he returned and told us that we weren’t good enough for bones and should know our place. That did not work out for the EU and you’d think they would have learned from the experience, but apparently not.

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  56. Spawny Get says:

    BTW the speech was around ten minutes long, the above was just a clip.

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  57. Farm Boy says:

    It seems that the EU cannot conceive why they are hated so much. It makes one wonder about their supposed superior intelligence

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  58. Yoda says:

    If Brexit like a divorce it is,
    wonder who gets custody of the wee child I do

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  59. Spawny Get says:

    May be of interest, French debate before French Prez elections on Sunday.

    Tomorrow is UK local elections (for council members) which might give an indication of where next months General Election will go

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  60. Spawny Get says:

    Bit longer version

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  61. Spawny Get says:

    The French debate is pretty *cough* lively. The words lying and liar have been slung around

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  62. Spawny Get says:

    Brillo

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  63. Spawny Get says:

    Stefan used to be a little MGTOW oriented (afair)…no longer

    Gentlemen, do your duty for society. I’m only a few minutes in but have already heard that the guy he’s talking to will get to work and the woman does all the domestic stuff. He’s being a right aggressive cunt now.

    Anyone get the feeling that Stef follows the cash? And the market now suggests being a trad-con towards wife’n’kidz…

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  64. Yoda says:

    Pissing Britain off a poor strategy it is.
    Counterproductive it would be.
    But feel good for them it will

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  65. molly says:

    Yoda at 6:31 pm

    Degobah gets it

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  66. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Sick. I am so tired of it all.
    https://dalrock.wordpress.com/2017/05/03/someone-tell-gilligan/

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  67. molly says:

    Must be because Yoda got it.
    Yoda gets most things. Clever he would be.

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  68. molly says:

    Leave I must. Many other things to do I have.
    Bye-dee-bye from me it is.

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  69. molly says:

    Hi again!

    Today the 4th of May it is here.
    May the fourth be with you.
    Now really bye-dee-bye from me it is.
    Too-da-loo!

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  70. Spawny Get says:

    Some say that nostalgia ain’t what it used to be, but this takes me back

    Let slip the frogs of war! (Not my invention, sadly)

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  71. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Molly!!! It was good to have you here for a time. Lately, I have noticed that if I greet you, you disappear all too soon. This time I saved my greeting till after you signed off.
    Burrito, burrito, burrito.

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  72. Spawny Get says:

    And a pisstake re-dub

    Not bad at all

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  73. Spawny Get says:


    Wise words, grasshopper

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  74. Spawny Get says:

    Regarding Ton’s desire for nekkid women politicians

    I believe that my case is made. Let us not speak of this again. Especially as I have Foghorn Jess in reserve

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  75. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Spawny Get,
    I have to admit that I didn’t watch the Diane Abbott/Emily Thornberry video. I have seen enough of those two already. How hard would it be to get enough people to vote them out of office? Let’s face it, by any measure, they are awful

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  76. SFC Ton says:

    Stef doesn’t seem the type who can ride out the collapse. I would say the shift is more about his age and worry about keeping the soft life going

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  77. Farm Boy says:

    There is a new post

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  78. Yoda says:

    Feminist mom, Leah McLaren has two sons who are your typical rough and tumble young boys. McLaren was offended by her youngest son who is only 3 years old after he rejected ‘girlish’ things and vows to turn him into a ‘proud princess whether he likes it or not’.

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/05/feminist-mom-puts-son-ballet-vows-turn-proud-princess-whether-likes-not/

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  79. Yoda says:

    Best line of the night—
    Marine Le Pen to Emmanuel Macron:

    “Let me tell you what happened – France will be led by a woman, it’ll be either me, or Mrs. Merkel. That’s the truth”

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/05/marine-le-pen-macron-france-will-led-woman-mrs-merkel-video/

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  80. Yoda says:

    Just like every other lunatic leftist, Lacy fell in love with Islam and became obsessed with helping Syrian ‘refugees’, wholeheartedly believing that Islam is the religion of peace. MacAuley details her experience dating a Turkish Muslim man, describing the hell and fear she lived in because he controlled every move she made, beat and raped her.

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/05/antifa-chick-goes-turkey-muslim-loverboy-gets-raped-beaten/

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  81. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Yoda,
    Not only are they white men, they are dead white men, which I believe is the usual complaint.

    Leah McLaren is a gem. She is also responsible for another piece on attempting to breastfeed a someone else’s baby when she wasn’t even lactating. She is going to ruin her three year old boy.

    Marine Le Pen has to do all she can to distinguish herself from her opponent and discredit his subscription to globalism.

    What a horrible match, a Western woman with a man from a traditional country. While the US kept track of foreign marriages, showing that twenty percent ended up in divorce, Switzerland did them one better. They kept track of the fails by sex. When Swiss men married Eastern European women, fifteen percent of marriages ended up in divorce. For Swiss women, it has to be much worse.
    http://www.returnofkings.com/4658/dont-believe-the-lies-about-foreign-brides

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  82. Morpheus says:

    Thanks Stephanie for thoughts.

    Actually, I don’t mind hearing from women on this issue or topic. Although in the mass media it is popular and lazy thinking to characterize all “Red-Pillers” as “women haters”, I have never hated women as a gender. I believe men and women are very different in many important ways that have implications for relationships.

    Ironically, it is a woman (married) who reached out to me on Facebook after some of my posts to offer a sympathetic ear. We’ve been chatting a lot the past few weeks which has been a fun distraction for me.

    The exact specifics of why my wife left and decided to start the divorce process are unimportant. They are basically just a variation on “I’m not happy” and rather then try to work through some issues of conflict, she decided ending things is better for her. I think what is important is how she likely arrived at that conclusion that whatever is on the other side is “better”.

    There are a few Sphere residents who’ve seen pictures of my wife. They can attest she has a very attractive face for a woman her age (43) (I am also 43). But she has gained an enormous amount of weight in our time together. Point being, she most likely has a severely distorted self-appraisal of her SMV. She can put up a new profile pic on FB, and have 100 likes with 80 comments telling her how sexy, gorgeous, hot she is, but they are always just carefully angled face shots. In the real world, men are going to see the entire package.

    I’m in pretty good shape myself for being 43, in fact I’d easily argue that I am much better looking for a 43 year old guy than she is for a 43 year old woman. But, and this is a big BUT, I am currently unemployed, and I’m sure that her assessment of my SMV/MMV is negatively impacted by my unemployment.

    So really, this is just the hypergamy subroutine running in her head that she “can do better” with plenty of support from Facebook, family, etc. that she can. It is only when she reenters the actual real dating market that reality is going to hit her like a semi-truck. As I told someone else, I’ll eventually find employment, she can’t rewind time and has demonstrated an inability to get the large amount of excess weight off. In the olden days, most social and institutional structures were set up to encourage women to stick to their wedding vows, to try and fight through rough times. Not so today. Facebook “friends” stand ready and willing to provide enormous validation. In my case, I’m certain her family provided a lot of negative and poisonous “advice”.

    Based on my experience (2 marriages) many/most? women want to GET MARRIED. They are wired to push the man for monogamous commitment of marriage but many/most women are not wired to STAY MARRIED. They enter marriage with unrealistic expectations of daily married life (expecting a continuation of the courting/dating phase) and without a true committed resolved to working through tough times. A moment of impulsive emotional feelings of “unhappiness” is enough to say fuck it and kill the marriage without even a second thought as to the long-term ramifications. I told my wife in my reply e-mail that one day she will wake up and realize she made a terrible mistake. I’d bet good money on that. I’d throw $1000 on the table right now that sometime in the next 6-18 months she will be hitting me up.

    I’m trying to take this all in perspective. We have no kids, so there is no child custody issues. She was extremely financially irresponsible to a degree I am just now finding out about entirely so I may be on the hook legally for some of her debts. We shall see. I’m hopeful we’ll negotiate something reasonable instead of spending $10,000 each in lawyer fees arguing over who gets the bed.

    I’m a glass half-full kind of guy, so I am trying to stay optimistic. For one, I had a list of things on my sexual bucket list that I had written off because I was a monogamous loyal guy and would never had cheated on her no matter how much I wanted certain experiences. Now that I will be single, I intend to pursue those specific experiences. The truth is I miss her a lot right now (together 11 years, married 3 1/2) but I am already thinking about some of the positives of single life again.

    It would be interesting to read that post on Facebook Stephanie. Facebook, and a woman’s “friends” and orbiters are very effective in selling a woman a delusional view of reality, and I suspect many women make choices they ultimately regret because of the role Facebook played in that decision making process.

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  83. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Morpheus,
    Thank you for chiming in. I think your assessment is correct in general. Women are not being encouraged to stay married and I think that it is more the opposite. I don’t want to take any part of that thousand dollar bet. The only thing that is going to put an end to this is that they realize they are worse off for having done it. It is good to see that you are taking this well.

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  84. Stephanie says:

    Wow Morpheus! I wish I had read J4G back in the day, seems like the manosphere has changed a lot since then.

    “It would be interesting to read that post on Facebook Stephanie. Facebook, and a woman’s “friends” and orbiters are very effective in selling a woman a delusional view of reality, and I suspect many women make choices they ultimately regret because of the role Facebook played in that decision making process.”

    ^^I’ve seen this a lot! We’ve seen about 14 marriages fail in our 10th year of marriage. The “facebook friends” are insanely quick to boost up the wife’s self-esteem and encourage a woman that she’s either doing the right thing, or that she doesn’t need a man.

    And yes, I’ve seen them tell these women they can do better, and WILL FIND better – even though they’re well over ‘the wall’ and don’t have much to offer. I’m **certain** she’s going to regret the decision once the slam of the dating market hits… that may take a few months to a year though. You could do a whole study on something like that.

    My post was more about the unhappily married women trying to find excuses as to why they would never want (or be able to) do something like the “Love Your Spouse Challenge.” It was a 7 day silly challenge to post pictures of you and/or your spouse talking about what you love about them. Apparently, quite a few women took offense to it altogether and then came up with the excuse that the ones doing it aren’t being “real” enough because they’re focusing only on the positive things about their spouse or marriage. Sad and crazy at the same time.

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  85. molly says:

    Fuzzie I know Ken McIntosh,

    1:15 am here. Sleep time! Goodnight

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  86. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Molly!!!
    I found something that can relate to you. I consider that a great success.
    Sleep well.
    Burrito, burrito, burrito.

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  87. Cill says:

    Morpheus I’ve seen this happen to other blokes who managed to work their way through to a stronger position than before. I wish the same for you. All the best, mate.

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  88. Choicy says:

    Yeah Cillo and me just put down the phone talking about another joker going through the same thing. This other joker came out the other end pretty much okay. All the best from me too mate.

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  89. Liz says:

    I’m so sorry, Morpheus. I don’t know enough about the situation to comment really. It has been my experience that Facebook is as you describe. I try to stay off of it, but I’m required to use it now that Mike’s position has changed.
    As I recall your wife was in the entertainment biz as some sort of uber-level makeup person? I think that industry is a very shallow one and being around those types of people on the day to day can probably rub off too.

    I’m staying away because Mike has a new job and if I’m around people I like to talk with and feel comfortable I will blab too much. I promised to either not blab or stay away. Looking forward to getting back. Not long now! Almost halfway done.
    I do read from time to time. Miss you all. 🙂

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  90. Spawny Get says:

    ^^^ It was caught up in the first comment trap ^^^

    Look forward to your return

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  91. molly says:

    Do Cill and Choicy know Morpheus before now? I don’t think so. They mean wish you well Morpheus not wish you well old friend. Cool. “Mate” means a lot of things Down Under. Usually mate is a period (full stop).

    End of molly rant mate
    … (mate mate mate)

    YO!

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  92. molly says:

    Liz is my online mate (meaning friend not full stop lol)

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  93. Spawny Get says:

    Cill might have come across Morpheus on JFG towards the end of the site

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  94. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    LIZ!!!
    You are missed. I didn’t recognize you without your froggie helmet.

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  95. Mega says:

    Dang … just ran across this … didn’t read all the comments … but … DANG !!! Morpheus … got good vibes with you going back to J4Gs and really feel for you !!!

    Your thoughts and words … remind me of what I went thru in MY divorce. Thought .. eventually she’d wake up and realize the situation. And thought it was best just to cut the line and walk away. I just hope it doesn’t turn out for you like it did for me. Cutting your losses, taking the high ground and walking away turns drives these cunts INSANE. No shit … you’re worried about spending 10 grand ? Really ? You’re a fucking moron … how about 20G before lunch and another 50G before dinner. Man-hating cunts will stop at nothing. They don’t have the cash and don’t fucking care. Days, weeks, months, years in court. Hearing after hearing arguing over who gets to scoup the poop out of the kitty litter. I shit you not. THE LYING CUNTS WILL STOP AT NOTHING. As they say “BURN IT DOWN” !!!! And that’s what they do. Their lives will never be the same and they don’t care AS LONG AS THEY RUIN YOURS.

    Since I’ve been in your shoes … I guess this is the only advice I will give you. And even then not sure it will even work. WHATEVER SHE ASKS FOR … GIVE IT TO HER. She says … I made 200K during our marriage and you made 800K … but I want 1/2 of everything … give it to her. She says I want the house and the cars and the kids and YOU TO BE LIABLE FOR THE MORTAGE … give it to her. Because its not a request … its EXTORTION … EITHER GIVE ME WHAT I WANT OR I WILL DESTROY YOU.

    If you don’t comply the lawyers will destroy you. They are lying cunts. And the lying cunts who are the judges will destroy you and drive the nail into your coffin. They will employ the courthouse cops, the local cops, the regional cops, the state cops, the fbi, cia, nsa, ATF, the TSA, Homeland Security, the army, navy, marines. Understand ???? She’s got the LAW on HER SIDE and YOU GOT NOTHING. And HER SIDE is backed by the most powerful terrorist organization ever assembled on planet earth.

    So you can give her EVERYTHING SHE ASKS FOR or you will end up DEAD OR IN JAIL. That’s how it works in the US.

    That’s how it has worked for millions of men in America. Morpheus … you should have had better sense. But I know. We are all subject to the behavior in our genes. And men will be men. We will sign up to be responsible for women, love them, take care of them. And in this day and age … women don’t need men anymore … so they walk away and DESTROY them men who loved them. Does that make them INSANE ? Yeah … I kinda think it does.

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  96. Mega says:

    Thought about this a little more and wanted to offer Morpheus a little more of my life experience … as ugly as it is. Life inside the divorce court ??? So … to start every man should realize that there isn’t a lawyer on the planet who is going to represent him in court such that he’d win. NO CHANCE. Every divorce lawyer who represents a man is out to fuck the man and steal as much money as he can. So … lets say you were a very wealthy individual and you found the best lawyer in town and offered him a MILLION DOLLARS to represent you. And they lawyer went into court and called the two faced lying cunt of a judge … to her face … a TWO FACED LYING CUNT … a LYING CUNT who had been drawing the case out for months and years because the LYING CUNT WOULD NEVER RULE IN FAVOR OF A MAN and IS TRYING TO EXTORT AS MUCH MONEY AS POSSIBLE OUT OF HIM. So his MILLION DOLLAR LAWYER TELLS THE LYING CUNT OF A JUDGE … EITHER SHE IS GOING TO HAVE TO RULE ON THE CASE … AND RULE FAIRLY AND ACCORDING TO THE LAW … OR THE LAWYER WILL FILE A COMPLAINT WITH THE JUDICIAL STANDARDS COMMISSION AND TRY GETTING HER DISBARRED FOR REFUSING TO DO HER JOB. AND HE WILL PERSONALLY FILE A COMPLAINT WITH THE BAR ASSOCIATION ACCUSING HER OF BIAS … HATING MEN.

    Make sense ? That’s the only way A MAN IS GOING TO GET A FAIR RULING. But it will never happen. Why ? Because the lawyer who forces a judge to rule fairly in a divorce case would be disbarred. Yep … the judges control the bar association and for rocking the boat the lawyer would be disbarred. Brought up on disciplinary hearings (past clients), would be accused of being a pedophile … whatever shit they want to make up. Cause the don’t have to prove a thing … all they have to do is make sure the lawyer’s reputation is ruined and probably disbarred anyway. And even if they didn’t do that … here is what they would make sure happens. THE LAWYER WOULD LOSE EVERY SINGLE CASE THE REST OF HIS CAREER. Yep, the lawyer represents a dude contesting a traffic ticket and the judge goes berserk and gives the guy 10 years in prison instead of a $50 traffic ticket. And it happens over and over and over and over. Who’s going to hire a lawyer who loses EVERY CASE and GETS 10X THE SENTENCE OF ANYONE ELSE ???? Get the picture … how long would a private attorney last when he LOSES EVERY SINGLE CASE … BECAUSE THE JUDGES WON”T LET HIM WIN. Attorney argues 1 + 1 = 2 and his client loses and gets 5 yrs in prison.

    This is called the “robe-line” based on the “blue-line” where cops protect other cops. No judge will let a lawyer who exposes judicial corruption EVER WIN A CASE. Hope that makes sense … every lawyer knows … that if he/she went into a court of law and demanded that a JUDGE rule FAIRLY AND UNBIASED when it came to men … his/her career would be over. And depending on how it went down … I have seen cases where literally the county sheriffs were harassing people to show who was really in power. Literally showing up at their homes, pounding on the door and threatening to arrest people … And taken to an extreme … YES, LAWYERS AND THEIR FAMILIES would be arrested, beaten, imprisoned … like normal people.

    So if you paid your lawyer a MILLION DOLLARS to get your case settled … he likely wouldn’t even do it. Oh … he’d take your money and stab you in the back but he knows that if he did what it took to get the case resolved … in your favor … he’d either #1 be ready to retire, #2 hope he doesn’t get disbarred, #3 hope he doesn’t get jailed, #4 HOPE HE DOESN’T GET SHOT DEAD.

    He may take your MILLION DOLLARS and you MAY WIN. But the lawyer better change careers and LEAVE THE STATE … the judges would make sure of that … or would he rather prefer prison as a pedophile.

    That is the reality that men cannot except. They can’t conceive that it’s actually that bad … but it is.

    And it leads down the rabbit hole to the Red Pill … what got me here anyway. Hopefully men can learn from my experiences. Morpheus … I enjoyed your articles and commentaries … but be warned … what you are facing is 1000X worse than what you think. The woman who you once loved … NOW HATES YOUR GUTS AND WILL STOP AT NOTHING TO DESTROY YOU. AND YOU HAVE NOBODY TO PROTECT YOU. You are on your own. The law will not protect you. No lawyer will protect you. You could very well end up broke, in prison, or dead. It is a very serious, very dangerous game. You are on your own … you have nothing … and she has all the power.

    That is the reality that men face in divorce.

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  97. Spawny Get says:

    Mega, I’m trying to come up with a response to what you wrote, but fuck.

    My divorce was after a similar length of marriage as Morpheus. I’d lived with her for three years (so less than Morpheus, but still…) before the marriage. I thought I knew her and she knew me. I don’t think that you can do as the Tradcons say, ‘Just make sure that you pick the right one’. It’s a shit-show. People change, women change more.

    My wife changed jobs just after we married. If I had to guess, she went from working with a gang of people that I knew and I think they liked me (we didn’t socialise very much, but when we did it was fine) to a group that I never met but I think they decided to to destroy my wife and I’s marriage for entertainment and out of jealousy. She was young, pretty and happy and she went into a female work environment. As I say, it’s a guess. But I think they turned her against me, her parents didn’t back me up…so we ended up divorced because her basic unspoken demand was that I become like her dad. A man that lived to fulfil his wife’s whim regardless of cost, financial or to him).

    I don’t bother sharing the legal side because it was 20 years ago in a foreign country to you lot. At that time it wasn’t a big deal financially. Obviously emotionally it was. This was pre our DV industry too. What a shit show.

    This is how societies collapse. You destroy the will of the men to put their interests aside to fight for the common good. But after it comes down, I think that the men will rebuild. Let’s hope they remember what killed this one.

    Mega if you want to write something for the blog…just let me / Farm Boy know in the comments.

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  98. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    I couldn’t help noticing a parallel. Wife comes under female peer influence and they inspire her to wreck the marriage. I have to wonder how common this is? How can female peers have so much influence?

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  99. Ame says:

    Liz – always good to hear from you!

    Morpheus and Mega and Spawny – i’m at a loss. my heart breaks. (((hugs))) from a woman who really does care.

    Fuzzie – for women … peers have ALL the power over her unless she makes a conscious choice for them not to. IF a man is dating a woman and thinking long-term and/or marriage, get to know her friends and how they influence her b/c they’ll be the ones dictating how she behaves in your marriage.

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  100. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Ame,
    I have no trouble believing you. From one source, I was told that if a guy is dumped and he has no idea why, because things were going great, that probably is the cause. Then, the Privateman told of how a woman will sign up for internet dating, and they will make a hen party out of it. They will open up a box of wine and, before they finish it, they will have eliminated every single man on the site. I don’t see a way to counter this.

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  101. Ame says:

    Fuzzie – i know of women i can see doing that; i could not imagine being a part of something like that myself.

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