The First Step Of MGTOW

Cill wrote a post about a boy growing up in a troubled household with no positive male influence.

If a bloke isn’t interested in anything I do, I can’t be of much use to him. There’s no sense in wasting time on the ones who are clearly beyond my reach. If they show interest in something I do, I teach them how it is done. Rua showed no interest, but there was something about him that caused me to persist with him.

Then suddenly like turning on a switch, he focused on the butchering that I do. He learned the names of the various cuts of meat and how to slice them out. Now he works as a butcher. He still doesn’t talk much but he’s quietly respectful of his boss and other older men, a big change for him.

So what most likely happened here?  After a chaotic childhood, he developed self respect, and the respect of other men that he respected.  Cill may be able to add to this.

It is a manosphere truism that men seek respect.   Perhaps in the olden days, it was sought a bit from women; but with modern women’s silliness, men seem to intuitively know better.  Some men still seek respect from society as a whole, but this is also on the decline, as all can see that society disrespects men.  Today, as it always has been, men mostly seek it from other men.  Primarily within their group, be it friends or workmates.  Apparently that is what has happened here.

Perhaps it is a completely new experience for the bloke.  One that is in a sense intoxicating.  One that should launch him in a direction that will serve him well.


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121 comments on “The First Step Of MGTOW
  1. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Respect is a hard thing to come by. This attitude is reinforced by the mainstream media that represents all men as bumbling oafs. For a lot of us, the last source left is ourselves through some accomplishment.
    It is nothing short of a miracle that Cill was able to turn Rua’s life around. From what hes said in the post, his mother trashed him to build up her ego. That is hard for a boy to recover from, if he can.

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  2. Guests says:

    Hey Spawny and friends. I know why “suddenly like turning on a switch.”
    Rua didn’t understand why the boss cut up an animal in front of him. Later he looked at the meat in the supermarket. It was the first time in his life he knew where the meat came from. He wanted to go back to the boss to learn how to butcher a beast and make honest money. Turned on the switch in his head.

    Tom the Maori

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  3. Guests says:

    “the boss” I don’t mean his work boss. The boss is my name for Cill.

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  4. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Thank you. You explained it.


  5. Cill says:

    Thanks Tom, that does explain it.

    In general, I’d say it is a number of factors. The first would be the sense of achievement in learning a skill with which they can earn money and be self-sufficient for the first time. This will lead to self respect.

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  6. Cill says:

    I think that’s an important point. Men don’t like being dependent, especially on a woman. Boys accept being dependent on their parents (or only on their mum in Rua’s case) but the desire to be materially independent is part of growing into a man. Some never have that experience and so never reach their potential.

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  7. Guests says:

    I was on the dole and was too busy getting in trouble to think about it.
    The boss taught me to build. It was hard learning to use my head. I thought I was too dumb. The boss told me to practice building. I helped him build a shed and he corrected me. My confidence builded up.
    My self respect sneaked up on me. I didn’t know what it was in the old days. I felt real good about myself and I had a future. In the old days I never thought more than a day ahead.

    Tom the Maori

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  8. Choicy says:

    I doubt Cillo’s program can be done by many men.

    The most important thing in Cillo’s armory is the man himself. A 90 pound weakling or a fatso could not pull it off mate. The young bruisers respect only one kind of leader which is the toughest of the bunch. I’ve seen them test him and he was up to the challenge. They don’t fuck around with a bloke like that. When he shows them trade skills they pay attention mate.

    To do more of what he does we’d have to find more Cillos and I for one don’t know any.

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  9. Choicy says:

    To qualify my comment, there aren’t many young men as large as those young Kiwi men. They mature early into bloody giants and they all grew up in the school of hard knocks mate. In Australia a less formidable man could do the training job but he would still need to be a tough bastard mate.

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  10. Choicy says:

    This place has gone as quiet as a fieldmouse pissing on a cotton ball, mate.

    Liked by 1 person

  11. Spawny Get says:

    May not be in the absolute tip-top of good taste, but…


  12. Spawny Get says:

    Mind you, if Cill were all that he’d stump up an account for Tom of his own…

    Good couple of posts. Really good.


  13. Spawny Get says:

    Regarding Based Stick Man in the image above. There’s a collection for his legal defence online. Poor sod has been arrested.

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  14. Spawny Get says:

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  15. SFC Ton says:

    If this was a Ton-tatership, stick man would be arrested for using such a flimsy weapon

    Liked by 2 people

  16. Spawny Get says:

    The opposition (to reality)

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  17. Cautiously Pessimistic says:

    Poor sod has been arrested.

    Can’t have your victims fighting back. Takes all the fun out of rioting.

    Liked by 1 person

  18. Spawny Get says:

    His legal fund passed $50K so I arsume that he’s been bailed. Cernovich’s video the other day (he’s a lawyer) said he thought that BSM had a strong case, so fingers crossed.

    Would be nice to start sacking those that ordered the cops to stand back. Take the sackings way up the chain of decision making. A few civil suits too.

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  19. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Had the cops done their job, there would have been no need for the stick man.It seems that all they are good for is writing tickets for traffic infractions. Sack not only their superiors, but the police themselves. They know better. The parking enforcement officers can stay.

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  20. Cautiously Pessimistic says:

    It seems that all they are good for is writing tickets for traffic infractions.

    Not at all. They’re also good for clamping down on uppity folk that won’t take their beatings peaceably.

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  21. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    i think that Donald Trump should carry out his threat of suspending federal funds to UC Berkeley. If the other UC campuses pitch in to help, their’s should be pulled too.


  22. Choicy says:

    Bashing a stick on a liberal head is the quick way to turn it into 2 sticks mate

    Liked by 1 person

  23. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Yesterday, Choicy made a comment about a civil war in the making. Maybe I was a little too hasty in dismissing the possibility.


  24. Cill says:

    I’ve just wakened up to the Ides of March less a week in godzone and I’m quaking with fear.
    Woman strike today and… nothing.
    Or this stupid little country is a day ahead of itself again.

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  25. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Cill, we’ll see what we will see tomorrow. For your part, better to be early than late. Imagine how they feel in Hawaii.

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  26. Cill says:

    Woman strike is the last thing on the minds of the women down here. My guess is it’ll be a big fizzer after some shrieking and howling from the increasingly irrelevant feminists. (yawn)

    Liked by 2 people

  27. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    The best of all possible outcomes would be for it to fizzle.

    Liked by 1 person

  28. Yoda says:

    A Washington D.C. suburb has canceled school this Wednesday, citing mass absenteeism among teachers on what activists have declared will be “a day without a woman.”

    Alexandria City Public Schools announced on its website Monday afternoon that more than 300 school staff members have announced they will not report to work on March 8, and because of the mass absenteeism, schools will not open.

    Activists have called on women to “strike” on Wednesday to demonstrate opposition to President Trump.

    School officials, in a note to parents, said, “this is not a decision that was made lightly.”

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  29. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Horses wouldn’t talk about that. They would talk about how good the grass tastes.

    If they are already announcing school closures, It may turn out to be big. I just don’t know. After the Pussy Hat March, Is there anything to be said?


  30. Spawny Get says:

    Based hippy : Alt-Knight Stick Man Bashes Some Anarchists, Gets Charged For No Reason

    Good guy talks about another

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  31. mgtowhorseman says:

    horses teach respect.
    take any person and put them in a round ring with even a medium size horse. See what happens.
    Horse will get the measure of you in a nanosecond.
    Even an obedient horse will crowd you to see if they can.
    Once they can they try more and more until they own you.

    vice versa you be angry or abusive and they will never listen, never come to you, never be trustworthy.

    I can backoff my ponies with a look.
    I can bring them down from the pasture with a glance over my shoulder.
    It is all about respect.

    Horses can do wonders with kids such as Rua.
    Take out their false brovado with their power.
    Instill empathy and a sense of worth with their compasion.

    And horse don’t talk politics. They have no patience for uselessness. Not when there is grass to eat, sun to enjoy and wind to run in.

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  32. mgtowhorseman says:

    ps. told my nurses.
    booking vacation for tomorrow will be per usual staffing rules.
    At minimal staff levels no one else is approved.

    Anyone just not showing up or calling in gets an automatic discipline letter.

    just like any other “protest” day.
    the residents cant protest poor quality care so I WILL protest on their behalf

    and my stick is bigger

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  33. Spawny Get says:

    Like your style Horseman


  34. Spawny Get says:

    In case you were wondering like I was, but had insufficient hopes to bother like I did…


  35. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Faith Goldy of Rebel Media said the plane that she took from Toronto to cover the Women’s March in Washington was full of pussyhatters. Your arm may get sore writing people up.


  36. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    That was the previous Women’s March, not the one scheduled tomorrow.


  37. Moehau Man says:

    Yes well, the Moehau Man Kauri Club © does not snap.

    Special price 4 Paua shells
    Stick Man price only 3 Paua shells because he is staunch
    Protective Stone “Stick Man” Codpiece © 2 Paua shells
    Stick Man price only 1 Paua shell because ©

    Inquiries to:
    Mrs Moehau Man
    Rugged Coromandel

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  38. SFC Ton says:

    He could have used #7 rebar


  39. Spawny Get says:

    Naughty, naughty


  40. Cill says:

    Spawny at 9:07 pm

    So Dame “Jenni” Murray has had a dose of her own medicine. My heart bleeds.

    Bring on more of it. Straight men have shown reluctance to retaliate in such a pathetic fight. Let LGBT escalate its cat spat with women and feminism end up diverting some of its venom to LGBT in a self-defeating victim brawl.

    Bloody good stuff.

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  41. mgtowhorseman says:

    Rebar. I love it!!


  42. Spawny Get says:

    He’d be on a murder charge right now

    Liked by 1 person

  43. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    I had hoped that when Germaine Greer got no-platformed that this would turn into the mother of all catfights between the transgenders and the feminists. Somehow, It didn’t turn out that way with the exception of the old time radical feminists.

    Rebar would be a bad idea, especially if he brought it with him. That would transform it from a crime of opportunity in to one of intent.


  44. SFC Ton says:

    Murder charge for smashing a hippie over the head with rebar? Not in a Ton-tatership.

    Hell that would get you a tax credit

    Liked by 1 person

  45. Spawny Get says:

    Sorry Ton, clearly wasn’t thinking straight


  46. Yoda says:

    Then the kid flashed the AOK sign.

    Liberals freaked out — and called the kid a racist.

    “Anybody else notice this kid doing that creepy alt right racist Pepe OK sign when Trump surprised the White House tour? Shitty parents ”
    — Mr. Awesome (@senorawesomeguy) March 7, 2017


  47. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    I don’t think those were the signs they were carrying originally.


  48. Yoda says:

    Sell light sabers I do
    Send 50K quatloos to

    Planet Degoba


  49. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    I have no paua shells for a Kauri club and no quatloos for a lightsabre. It is good that I have teeth and claws.

    Liked by 1 person

  50. Yoda says:

    Let March 8th be a day of happiness and laughter.

    And snacks. Be the woman who brings the snacks.

    Treat your family, your friends, your co-workers, your employees, with a token of gratitude.

    Sammices also good they would be

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  51. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Sandwiches? While that would be nice, i am not going to expect it. Wouldn’t that be contrary to the spirit of this event?


  52. Yoda says:

    Seventeen year old he is

    Liked by 2 people

  53. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Lie on your job application, expect to be fired. Lie on your Visa application, expect to be deported.

    Liked by 1 person

  54. Spawny Get says:

    LBC London Broadcasting Company is currently pretty red-pill

    The Nick Ferrari show today if you listen later


  55. Spawny Get says:

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  56. Spawny Get says:

    The Incredible Feminist Woman gets an urgent call from Cologne.

    Liked by 1 person

  57. Spawny Get says:

    Based Stick Man starts about 16:45 in. (Not saying that you should skip to there). He then has a good caller talking about BSM and the consequences


  58. Cautiously Pessimistic says:

    BasedStickman NOT CHARGED

    Good to hear.

    Regarding the women’s flouncing day, one of the online comics I read daily was ‘closed’ this morning. I’ve got its replacement bookmarked and in rotation already. It’s awfully convenient when snowflakes self-identify like that.

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  59. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Sunshine weighs in on women striking. From what I have seen, schools in Alexandria are closed. Now it’s Prince William county. Maybe this is confined to the Washington DC metro area.

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  60. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Spawny Get,
    I get the feeling those are not just empty words coming from Steve Bannon. It sounds like understatement. The prosecutions can’t come soon enough.


  61. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Good to hear that Based Stick Man has not been charged. For his sake, he has had a very close call and I hope that he retires from public life.

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  62. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    I got my counties mixed up. Sunshine reported Prince George’s county while I transcribed it to Prince William. Prince George’s Is in Maryland, east of DC, while Prince William is across the Potomac from DC, in Virginia . My apologies for any confusion.


  63. Spawny Get says:

    *smirky smirk McSmirk*

    I’m sure the picture is enough for you to work out what kind of shitshow this was

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  64. Yoda says:

    Pedestrian traffic lights showing female figures rather than male have been installed in Melbourne to reduce “unconscious bias” and promote gender equality, officials said on International Women’s Day on Wednesday

    Liked by 1 person

  65. Yoda says:

    Co-organizing the protest is Rasmea Yousef Odeh, a former member of the terror group the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP). In 1969, Odeh and several cohorts planted two bombs at a Jerusalem supermarket. Her actions resulted in the death of two Hebrew University students: Leon Kaner and Edward Jaffe. In 1970, Odeh was convicted and sentenced to life imprisonment but was released in a prisoner swap after serving just ten years. Odeh currently faces deportation for falsifying her 2004 application for U.S. citizenship by concealing her terrorist background.

    Odeh is not the only one with a violent past. It appears that several of the speakers and organizers of these Women’s March activities are the ones with violent backgrounds.

    One of the featured speakers at the Woman’s March was convicted felon Donna Hylton who, in 1985, along with several others, kidnapped 62-year-old real-estate broker Thomas Vigliarolo and tortured him to death.

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  66. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    I this is what feminists have left to complain about, they need to go away.


  67. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Another homicidal woman? One might be an oversight.


  68. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    It is very nearly 5pm Eastern time and I haven’t heard anything about the Women’s March. No news must be good news. I did have hopes that they would do something stupid. Now, it seems they are an irrelevancy.

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  69. Yoda says:

    Albright said, “I think we do have to support International Women’s Day. It’s very important. I keep being asked about whether the role of women internationally has improved. I think it has, but not enough. I’m concerned about the lack of women at the top of the Trump government”

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  70. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Wasn’t it Madeline Albright who said that there is a special place in hell for women who won’t vote for Hillary? With that, I think we know where her loyalties are.

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  71. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Feminists arrested in New York. It may only be for obstructing traffic.


  72. Yoda says:

    Something odd here there is,

    “Women birth half the population and we are half the population!” – Nelini Stamp from the Working Families Party


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  73. Yoda says:

    But it’s likely that mostly privileged women will be the ones participating in the much-anticipated follow-up to January’s Women’s March. This is an unfortunate but not altogether surprising consequence of an event without a clear purpose

    Liked by 1 person

  74. Yoda says:

    Wonder who births the other half I do

    Liked by 3 people

  75. Cautiously Pessimistic says:

    Give her a break. Math is hard.

    Liked by 2 people

  76. Yoda says:

    A man leading women here he is

    Liked by 1 person

  77. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    “Wonder who births the other half I do.”
    Could this be that the stories we heard about the stork were true?

    As for privileged women participating in the strike, wasn’t feminism always about promoting the issues of middle and upper class women?

    Liked by 1 person

  78. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    There have to be better causes for George Soros to spend his money on.
    Is this going to be a regular, once every six weeks, thing?

    Liked by 1 person

  79. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    I love it!

    Liked by 1 person

  80. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Off topic, I just stumbled over this. Name any other administration that would levy a fine on a Chinese company in excess of one billion dollars US.


  81. Farm Boy says:

    There is a new post


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