A Question


Long long ago in this here Milky Way Galaxy, my ex-wife asked me a question, “Farm Boy, how can an intelligent fella like you be so nice?”    The assumption was that intelligent men were/are unscrupulous in using their intelligence.  Probably, many of the intelligent men that she encountered in the past were like that.  The flip-side of that thought is that less intelligent men are more moral because they are less able to flaunt morality.  But then again, many bad-boy types are not particularly bright.

Here is the more general question: What is the relationship between intelligence and morality/niceness?  Perhaps there isn’t one.

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60 comments on “A Question
  1. FNU MNU LNU says:

    never convince morality with being nice. they are not the same.

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  2. Ame says:

    that morality and niceness have anything to do with each other or intelligence in the way your ex implied is nuts … she was just being mean and bitchy.

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  3. Yoda says:

    Probably no strong correlation there is.
    Still interesting to think about it would be

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  4. Yoda says:

    Feminists are knitting hundreds of “Pussy Hats” for distribution at the Women’s March on Washington D.C.

    http://redalertpolitics.com/2017/01/05/feminists-knit-pussy-hats-anti-trump-march-washington/

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  5. Yoda says:

    Disney writes no decent male characters for my sons to look up to anymore. If we want to look for male characters, we must look at inanimate objects like toys, planes, and cars. Even in the ’90s that was the case, when a lion was the lead male character.

    http://thefederalist.com/2017/01/05/disney-hate-boys-much-male-characters-losers/

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  6. Yoda says:

    On the rooftop of her Brooklyn apartment building this past spring, Erika Anderson put on a vintage-style white wedding dress, stood before a circle of her closest friends, and committed herself — to herself.

    http://www.goodhousekeeping.com/life/relationships/a42034/marrying-yourself-wedding-trend/

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  7. What is the relationship between intelligence and morality/niceness?

    A better question would first be “what is the relationship between morality and niceness?”

    1500 years ago men like Jerome, Augustine and Ambrose hated sex and considered it to be wicked, foul and evil- even within marriage. They threw out the Biblical standards of sexual morality and replaced them with a simple one: sex is evil, don’t do it. They claimed that standard applied to both men and women. The problem with that is the Bible has two standards of sexual morality, one for men and another for women. Because men and women are not the same.

    That is where the doctrine of the equality between the sexes comes from and the truth is that feminism was created by the church. The entire blue-pill paradigm was created by the church and one of the major reasons it is so difficult to break people free of their blue-pill conditioning is because the men are taught being the “nice guy” is a good and moral thing to do.

    What we have in the manosphere is a situation with confirmed observations regarding women’s behavior (the data) that lead to certain conclusions. The data sets are so complete that Rollo Tomassi was able to state a concise praxeology in his “The Rational Male” series that offers an accurate roadmap to female desires and behavior. Others are aware of the data, but for one reason or another they tend to reject it. The question is, when presented with irrefutable data like this, how does one deal with it?

    Rollo approached this from an evolutionary psychology standpoint, which is a de facto rejection of God in His capacity as Creator. He accepted the reality of the data as presented but refused to acknowledge that God made them the way they are. In doing so he rejected the moral boundaries that God established, which leads to interpreting the data incorrectly.

    Churchians approach this from the standpoint of acknowledging God while rejecting both the data and what God’s Word actually says, which leaves them confused and unable to cope with the lies of feminism. In addition they are completely unable to understand the data or its implications, to their detriment. They lie about what the Bible says and attack the source of the data (the PUA’s) rather than evaluate the data for it’s value.

    I accept the data for what it is and consider it through the lens of what the Bible actually says. In considering the data in light of the Bible, one cannot help but consider the Bible in light of the data. This was especially true of the issue of hypergamy. My conclusions put me in conflict with just about everyone at one level or another because I seem to be the only one looking at all this from the perspective of what the Bible really says. Evolution is just as much a crock of shit as churchian theology.

    If you look carefully, you’ll see that being a “nice guy” is defined as respecting the equality of the sexes. This is best seen in contradistinction to the way a “jerk” treats women, inasmuch as the “jerk” refuses to treat a woman as an equal. Because she isn’t.

    The great insight I gained from the data regarding hypergamy was the meaning of Genesis 3:16, which says “your desire shall be for your husband and he shall rule over you.”

    That judgement in the Garden is where hypergamy came from. The word “desire” is used elsewhere as a desire to conquer and a sexual desire. Theologians have argued for centuries as to *which* one it means but with the data from the manosphere we can see that it means *both* the desire to conquer and sexual desire. This is Shit Tests 101. She encounters a man she is attracted to and she first seeks to conquer him with shit tests. If he fails, her desire goes away. If he blows through her shit tests like a champ her desire to conquer changes to sexual desire.

    The second part of the insight was if we do a bit of algebraic manipulation of that passage we come up with “your desire shall be for the man who is fit to rule over you.” That is the reason game is so effective. It’s the reason AWALT. Because God said so.

    What are the characteristics of a ruler? Masculine dominance, incredible confidence and Charisma. Which is why looks don’t matter that much. Add to that the qualities you’d want to see in a good ruler: Firmness, kindness, honesty, faithfulness, loyalty, courage and steadfastness. Then think about wisdom, which is usually a byproduct of age, which explains one of the big advantages a more mature man has over a younger man.

    Women only demand to be treated as equals by men they are not attracted to, the men they do not consider to be rulers. For a man to treat them as an equal is a demonstration that the man is not fit to rule.

    A “nice guy” understands men and women are equal and will treat her that way for as long as she can take it or until a better man comes along. Whichever comes first.

    A “jerk” knows men and women are not equal and will treat her like a subject. Which is why she will keep going back to him.

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  8. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Farm Boy,
    I have to discount anything your ex-wife said. She dumped you. That, in itself, tells me all I need to know about her intelligence.
    As for her question, why should there be any connection between intelligence and social compatibility? Maybe she was projecting narcissism?

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  9. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    About that bunch in Chicago, I am glad to know that they are of age to be tried as adults and are charged with hate crimes. No mollycoddling!

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  10. Spawny Get says:

    Late Chrimbo pressie from Based Embassy Hermit? Interesting times.
    https://conservativedailypost.com/breaking-assange-just-told-cnn-48-hours-wikileaks-destroys

    WikiLeaks has issued a 48 hour warning to CNN and if they do not retract all of their inflammatory statements, videos, and article, they will take the mega media corporation to court and sue them for defamation.

    CNN initially thought they could just issue an apology and that would satisfy Assange. Think again.

    WikiLeaks also argued that they will expose CNN outside of the courtroom, too, if they continue to play these games.

    One thing remains clear: WikiLeaks doesn’t plan to stop after derailing Hillary Clinton and her team of cronies. CNN is merely their first target, and plenty more will surely follow.

    They’ve put CNN on notice and they have 48 hours to air a one hour special confessing to their lies or they are in big trouble. If they or anyone think WikiLeaks are bluffing or incapable, ask Hillary Clinton how powerful Assange and his team can be.

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  11. Yoda says:

    Glorius Patriarch gratified he would be

    Louise Mensch is no longer leading News Corp.’s libertarian-leaning website Heat Street. The company and Mensch made the change in mid-December.

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2017/01/05/louise-mensch-heat-street-news-corp/

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  12. Spawny Get says:

    Yoda, I read that last night and I must admit that I thought that that had already happened, last year pre your election (I thought). I think they’ve been shuffling her off for a while. She’s been twatter ranting about attacking Russia etc. She herself admits to a problem with hard core drug usage back in the day…

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  13. SFC Ton says:

    You failed a shit test, she was telling you she wanted you to use your intelligence in an unscrupulous manner ie intellectual bad boy/ brainy alpha.

    Never forget women are convoluted not complex.

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  14. RichardP says:

    AT – I think your post should be nailed to the door of All Saints Church in Wittenberg. Good, concise summary.

    Q: ” What is the relationship between intelligence and morality/niceness?”

    A: There are multiple kinds of intelligence, emotional intelligence being one of them. Without defining which intelligence you are referencing, no answer is going to be useful.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence

    I have known extremely well educated men who have been kind. I have known very uneducated men who have been kind.

    Being “moral” can be nothing more than adhering to the rules that someone says “moral” people should live by. This requires no thinking ability at all, just a robotic response. Others can be “moral” because they understand the good that comes from behaving that way. This type of morallity requires the ability to follow a particular thought many steps out into the future to it’s logical conclusion/consequence. The ability to do that can be a personality thing, an innate ability that does not depend on formal eduation – although formal education can strengthen the native ability one already has.

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  15. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Spawny Get,
    Wikileaks declares war on CNN? This will get interesting fast.

    Farm Boy,
    I am reminded that narcissists can be charming in the extreme. That might be thought of as “nice”.

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  16. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Farm Boy,
    While you may have flunked a shit test as Ton suggests, I am beginning to form the opinion that shit tests are to be flunked to allow the woman an excuse to dump her husband. I don’t think it was preventable with the tools you had on hand at that time. I am sorry. What women do to men they profess to love is damnably cruel.

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  17. happyhousewifey says:

    In my experience, a higher IQ generally makes people more likeable/pleasant. Intelligent people I know are usually more composed and their kindness more thoughtful. Their unpleasantness is usually justified. All my best friends except 1 are at least Mensa level smart.

    Maybe that woman was just babbling nonsense, after seeing an evil genius in a movie or something.

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  18. FNU MNU LNU says:

    confuse, not convince. damn text prediction gets it wrong again.

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  19. FNU MNU LNU says:

    maybe i have been jaded by years of dealing with perps, but all i’ve seen from people with higher IQs, is the ability to sell the facade for much longer.

    “all monsters are human!”

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  20. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Farm Boy,
    I had my own experience with a single mommy on OkCupid. You would think that t Steady Eddie would be seen as a godsend. From what I could see from her, it was all bout what I could do for her, never mind what I may have wanted. Thankfully, it never went much beyond seeing each other.
    Your e-wife should have treated you like Mrs. Yoda treats Yoda.

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  21. SFC Ton says:

    Dees folks be crazy for war with Russia……
    How many good ol boys Doyle they want to get killed so they can play at bring a ream man?

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  22. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Montgomery had one bit of advice, “Don’t march on Russia!”
    https://www.quora.com/What-does-the-phrase-Dont-march-on-Moscow-mean
    His strength was in planning and logistics have to be nightmarish.

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  23. Linny says:

    Has Russia ever been defeated on their home turf(not counting civil war)? I only took one Russian history course and it only dealt with Russia up to WWI.

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  24. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Linny,
    The Mongols were the last to get the best of them. Also, during the Time of Troubles, ca. 1600, they were invaded by the Poles.

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  25. thedeti says:

    Linny:

    Russia wasn’t “defeated” in WW II, but it sustained extremely heavy losses in population, money, resources, and infrastructure in WW II. The western USSR from the Polish border, through Belarus and the Ukraine and well into Russia proper, almost all the way to Moscow, was utterly decimated. That’s a distance of at least 400 linear miles from the Polish border to Moscow; and thousands of square miles. That part of the USSR and Russia are where most of the population, industry, resources, and wealth were and still are located.

    The Russians are traditionally a very very risk averse people. They don’t like enterprise, innovation, risk taking, or entrepreneurship. They self-protect almost to a pathological degree. That attitude very much led to socialism, Communism and Marxism’s rise there. The results from WW II made the USSR say “fucking never again will we allow this”.

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  26. thedeti says:

    In 1941 the Soviets lost a million men in the Nazis’ attack on Leningrad. That’s a million men, defending ONE CITY, in ONE YEAR.

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  27. Linny says:

    I will have to look up the Time of Troubles. I don’t remember studying that but it was a long time ago that I studied. I sort of remember reading probably something about Catherine and trouble with the Poles. Wasn’t her special man killed fighting the Poles?

    I remember now about the Mongols but it was sort of glossed over in that course.

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  28. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    I think it was Ivan III who defeated the Mongols. Rather than conquer, they demanded tribute and got it for a long time.
    Deti is right about what Russia suffered in WWII. Ten million soldiers and seventeen million civilians estimated. When the Nazis attacked,.it was with three and half to five million soldiers along a thousand mile front that grew to fifteen hundred miles. The scale is unimaginable. By the way, that is ten times the number of soldiers that Napoleon brought in 1812.

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  29. Ame says:

    we’ve had our snow for the year … and the tiny snow flurries were beautiful this morning! i’m ready to get back to our ‘fake’ winter! 🙂

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  30. Linny says:

    Catherine was way late for the time of troubles. I must not have paid close enough attention to the date.

    Looked up the time of troubles and now realize that it was sort of glossed over during that course also.

    I guess that is what happens when you take an over view course that includes many centuries.

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  31. Yoda says:

    Now Obama’s building a wall! Workers put the finishing touches to a brick barrier around $5million DC mansion where Barack, Michelle and Sasha will live after leaving the White House

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4095126/Workers-seen-building-wall-Obamas-new-Washington-DC-home.html

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  32. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Linny,
    When Ivan the Terrible died, he left no heirs. It was around 1600. About twelve to fifteen years later, the boyars settled on Michael Romanov to be Czar and that ended it. That was the start of the Romanov dynasty.

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  33. Yoda says:

    “In my generation, women were jealous of men because they could work and do whatever they wanted,” said Junko Mitsuhashi, 61, a professor of gender studies at Chuo University and a transgender woman. “But in the younger generation, men are jealous of women because they can express themselves through fashion.”

    She added, “Men feel like they don’t have a sphere in which they can express themselves, and they envy girls, because girls can express themselves through their appearance.”

    Young girls are the most ardent fans of the genderless danshi, making up the bulk of their social media followers and showing up at events.

    On an autumn night when Toman performed with his band, XOX (Kiss Hug Kiss), at a hipster clothing store in Harajuku, the center of Tokyo youth fashion, the audience was made up almost entirely of teenage girls and a few 20-something women.

    http://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/01/05/world/asia/with-manicures-and-makeup-japans-genderless-blur-line-between-pink-and-blue.html

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  34. Yoda says:

    The author’s response to the ‘millennial question’ on Inside Quest ‘broke the internet’ after he revealed why many young people may display the undesirable qualities listed by their bosses.

    He explained millennials grew up in an environment where ‘every child wins a prize’ only to find the ‘real world’ after school is much different.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4093670/Millennials-entitled-narcissistic-lazy-s-not-fault-Expert-claims-child-wins-prize-social-media-left-Gen-Y-unable-deal-real-world.html

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  35. Yoda says:

    Washington Post writer Callum Borchers believes one of the worst aspects of the brutal videotaped torture of a mentally handicapped white man at the hands of black assailants is that it gives credence to a “pro-Trump narrative” that whites face rampant discrimination in America.

    http://dailycaller.com/2017/01/05/washington-post-worried-videotaped-torture-provides-evidence-of-anti-white-racism/

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  36. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Quiet this thread is. That is Ok. Lively the previous one is.

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  37. Yoda says:

    Many elevators in New York have they do

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  38. FNU MNU LNU says:

    but, but, but walls don’t work! right?

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  39. Yoda says:

    JUST IN: In Nov. 2016, Fort Lauderdale shooting suspect #EstebanSantiago walked into FBI office claiming he was forced to fight for ISIS.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/TEN_GOP?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

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  40. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Mayor of New York i would not like to see Hillary be.
    Carpetbagger.

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  41. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Yoda,
    ISIS may guilty of a lot of things but, coercing people into committing acts of terrorism is most unexpected.

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  42. Yoda says:

    Enjoying the US Intelligence Agencies clown show he is

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  43. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Appreciate it he can.
    KGB he was.
    Good understanding of American idiom he has.

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  44. Yoda says:

    A new post there is

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  45. SFC Ton says:

    Terror groups coerce people to work for them all the time

    In Iraq they would gang rape girls, tell them they were soiled and couldn’t enter heaven the set them up as suicide bombers as a way to purge the sin of being gang raped

    They would also tell retard kids the bombs would shoot flowers and candy and all sorts of shit

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  46. Stephanie says:

    FarmBoy… I’m pretty sure she meant what she said when she chose the word, “nice,” but I’m willing to bet she also was implying kindness as well. I’m of the thought that being “nice,” and being “kind,” can be sometimes different things. Sometimes they overlap or at least appear to overlap, but I tend to think they really are two completely different behaviors based on motivation being different.

    Again though… she probably meant both “nice/kind,” when she was asking you that… which is bleh to me! An intelligent man that is also kind-hearted is a huge plus in making a marriage… can’t believe women are so stupid these days and don’t appreciate that at all.

    And I guess I should throw this out… a man’s kindness doesn’t necessarily make him sexually attractive, but just like a woman being smart with money, it definitely doesn’t hurt when trying to make a wonderful marriage.

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  47. Yoda says:

    Re-emerges Lindy West does,

    Twitter, for the past five years, has been a machine where I put in unpaid work and tension headaches come out. I write jokes there for free. I post political commentary for free. I answer questions for free. I teach feminism 101 for free. Off Twitter, these are all things by which I make my living – in fact, they comprise the totality of my income. But on Twitter, I do them pro bono and, in return, I am micromanaged in real time by strangers; neo-Nazis mine my personal life for vulnerabilities to exploit; and men enjoy unfettered, direct access to my brain so they can inform me, for the thousandth time, that they would gladly rape me if I weren’t so fat

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jan/03/ive-left-twitter-unusable-anyone-but-trolls-robots-dictators-lindy-west

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  48. Ame says:

    Yoda – lol! yep … that’s exactly how it is down here! 🙂

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  49. happyhousewifey says:

    We just had our first sprinkling of snow (not even half an inch) and I was out in my fancy snowboots and kids in ski pants LOL
    Any excuse to enjoy winter 😉

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  50. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    That Lindy West! We will never be done with her! Always finding swomething to complain about.

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  51. Ame says:

    well … having fancy snow boots changes everything! 🙂

    we have so few days where we’d need them down here that i’ve never even thought of ‘snow boots’ 🙂

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  52. Spawny Get says:

    We had a morning of an inch of snow back last December. Nice view…then gone. Perfect.

    We are usually downwind of America though, so maybe I’m being a bit previous
    (‘a bit previous’ is London talk innit)

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  53. The assumption was that intelligent men were/are unscrupulous in using their intelligence.

    This would explain why women hate me so much despite a total lack of evidence that I am doing anything like that.

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  54. Spawny Get says:

    BP as with so much with women, it’s their perception of the facts that matters far more than the facts.

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  55. SFC Ton says:

    Women dug intelligence. They really do
    But most smart guys destroy and possible brain power tingles by being dorky about their smarts

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