Cause and Effect

It is mentioned often in the Manosphere that women don’t handle the concept of cause and effect very well.  The first question is whether or not it is true.  Furthermore, if so, is due to nature or nurture or a combination thereof?

As for the first question, there do seem to be lots of dippie women who just don’t seem to understand why bad things happen to them when they do silly things.  Of course, this might just be a guy perspective.  Maybe from women’s perspective, all of these silly behaviors make sense.  I will admit that I am a bit prejudiced here.

Let us assume that that they do have issues with cause and effect.  Where does it come from?  My grandmother had seven kids in a log cabin without electricity or running water.  She had to get stuff done.  If that is the case, I am thinking that one learns the concept of cause and effect quickly.  I am thinking that if she did not, my grandfather would have made it so.  She also grew up in an environment where one had to be efficient.

So this might suggest that nurture is key.  I am thinking that it probably is.  Modern girls / young women / women are pampered, given special breaks, have less truly expected of them, benefit from the p****-pass, etc.  They just don’t have to learn how to get things done.  For the fellas, they are still expected to be effective; no special breaks there.  As for girls, in the past, they were expected to become effective at being young ladies; this expectation no longer applies.  Perhaps this is one reason why men go MGTOW — Much is expected of me and little of her; why should I go for that?

But then again, women might just be born to be lax in the understanding cause and effect department.  What do you think?

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71 comments on “Cause and Effect
  1. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    I think that your grandmother got things done because she worked within the limitations of what was expected of her. Could it be that modern women are not expected to do as much? Could it be that this gives them an advantage in that they are not responsible? It is an awful way to put oneself forward.

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  2. Yoda says:

    Sure that Ton have something to say on this he will I am


  3. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Not very high expectations of women does he have.


  4. Farm Boy says:

    I wonder what the girls of this blog think…


  5. Farm Boy says:

    When boys play with trucks in the sandpile, while girls make dolls talk to each other; who learns about cause and effect?


  6. Farm Boy says:

    Maybe girls should learn how to cook again. There is plenty of cause and effect there.

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  7. Ame says:

    Farm Boy says:
    12 December, 2016 at 1:45 am
    “Maybe girls should learn how to cook again. There is plenty of cause and effect there.”

    lol! yes, Farm Boy, there definitely is … especially when a dish is so bad you have to trash it! the effect is then hunger.

    – – –

    interesting post. probably some of both, but nurture is definitely huge here. if consequences are always protected, how is one to know they exist? i’ve always taught my girls they have choices with consequences … that they get to choose which they want, so choose well. and then the hard part – i have to let them experience the consequences of all those choices; not always easy to do as a parent. and my girls can tell you easily about the times they wrapped their daddy around their little fingers with just the right smile and flirt and words and sashay and dance … they’re born knowing how to wrap up their daddy’s hearts 🙂

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  8. RichardP says:

    “… they’re born knowing how to wrap up their daddy’s hearts”

    So – nature then??


  9. Spawny Get says:

    I guess you guys have Lego?

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  10. Spawny Get says:

    Speaking of cause and effect, who didn’t see this coming?

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  11. Spawny Get says:

    Just because I love the film Snatch, and I do


  12. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Cooking food? Making sandwiches? Good tactics these are to win over a man.
    Cooking food would be an excellent method of teaching cause and effect.

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  13. Ame says:

    “… they’re born knowing how to wrap up their daddy’s hearts”

    So – nature then??”

    – – – – –

    yep … a little bit of both.

    we girls are born hardwired to desire male attention – first from our fathers. we like male attention and affection. watch little girls … they already know how to smile and sway and giggle to get the attention of little boys.

    i remember walking into pick up my oldest from a preschool class at church, and she and another little boy were holding hands and just gazing at each other. that was a ‘swoosh-all-the-air-outa-me’ moment as a mom! the little boy’s mom told me he really liked her, and he especially liked her red sweater. i thought that interesting … boys are born liking the ways girls look and how they dress. they already have their preferences. it’s terrible that feminism wants to squash that.

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  14. Yoda says:

    we girls are born hardwired to desire male attention

    Noticed this we have
    Gives males leverage it does

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  15. Yoda says:

    boys are born liking the ways girls look and how they dress.

    Want them to dress as men we do not

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  16. Yoda says:

    Men’s should let daughters wrap them around their finger not

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  17. FNU MNU LNU says:

    worth watching a few times over…

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  18. Spawny Get says:


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  19. molly says:

    Cause and effect-

    I kept a copy of a Padawan poem way back as it is true. “Crew” is the name NZ women gave themselves when they hunt in packs for sex.

    Some will weep and some will sing
    Beside the crew’s parade,
    Some will take and some will bring
    The flowers there displayed.

    Some will spread and some will rise
    With action all around
    Some with seed will swell in size
    And with the State be bound.

    But will the State with all its leeches
    Teach their boys to play,
    And can the minds of fembot teachers
    Think past girls and gay?

    Or will the best men leave forever
    Tired of all the scorn,
    Will the crew survive the terror
    When the grooms have gone.

    Cause and effect.

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  20. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    that one show on the The View has stirred up some posts. This one is from Dalrock.
    This business of women being open about denying sex in marriage has struck a chord. They are being all too open about it. It either means that the tactic is no longer useful of they just don’t care. I am betting it is the latter. They really should care because if it gets out that the default for marriage is sexless, men won’t enter into it.

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  21. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Molly!!! Burrito, burrito, burrito.

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  22. happyhousewifey says:

    On topic, as a woman…
    I understand the concept of cause and effect. I have a high IQ. And I understand personal responsibility – just not how it applies to me…
    I am an adult woman but I honestly just expect that if my choices have bad outcomes, someone will either forbid me before it’s too late, or solve the problem I create. Not on a small daily scale (dishes not washed -> smelly kitchen, nap too late -> cranky kids), but with things like being stranded without transport, important things breaking, or a common one: when I agree with some plan that my inlaws have for our home (my husbands overrules it every time, I cannot muster the courage to disagree with them).
    This works out because men pick up the pieces.
    When the cat died, I didn’t get a shovel. I panicked, called my husband crying, and he called and sent over some relatives who took care of things.

    I am very efficient at homemaking and I can cook gourmet meals on a dime, I raise awesome kids and according to my husband being a good wife just comes naturally to me. I’m just not very mature, and I don’t need to be. Maybe I will some day, but let’s hope not.

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  23. happyhousewifey says:

    I will add that I do manage to pretend lightening and thunder is fun, even though I’m trembling inside, to avoid little ones getting scared, too. I think they haven’t noticed, so that’s sort of adultish right?

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  24. happyhousewifey says:

    Fuzzies article says women aren’t in the mood for sex should just do it and the mood will come. I don’t know if I’m average in this, but I’m only ever naturally in the mood (that is, without any action on my husbands part) on my most fertile days of the month. The rest of the time it’s husbands coming on to me (that look in his eyes, him holding me or kissing me) that gets things going. But I never just wake up wanting sex, I would be fine going without. I do get cranky if it’s been awhile, but that never translates into arousal. I think maybe other women are like me, but men get in the mood even if they’re all alone.

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  25. Ame says:

    serving my husband homemade meals and pouring his milk … and the man thinks i’m the best.thing.ever. (well, and always being available in the bedroom, but he makes that easy 😉 ). but still … i sometimes think i don’t work hard enough or do enough, but he doesn’t … my man is ha-appy! so, i choose to believe him 🙂

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  26. FNU MNU LNU says:

    so he’s easy to make gravy for… lol

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  27. Ame says:

    Yoda – i don’t think it’s something they necessarily ‘let’ happen … it just happens. little girls are amazing and adorable and … they just know how to slip under their daddy’s skin and take over his heart. it’s when dad doesn’t also see and discipline their bad stuff, when he doesn’t see that she’s also just a little human who is quite capable of being bad, too, that it goes south – or when mom overrides dad and dad doesn’t pull a ‘Ton’ on her and stop that.

    i giggle about it … but my girls always knew they were totally busted when their dad and i agreed on something, especially after the divorce. when i went to discipline them and said i’d already talked to their dad about it, or that i knew what their dad would say if we called him, they just gave into their consequences … cause they knew … if daddy had already taken a stand, they were screwed. there are things, even now, that when they come up, i can tell them, “Your Dad and I had talked about this and agreed on it,” and that seals it for them. argument over.

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  28. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    When Ame shows how easy it is to take care of her husband, it does demonstrate knowledge of cause and effect. The ones on The View are in denial about this. To me, it seems that the greater portion of it is a will to take care of her husband.

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  29. Yoda says:

    When Ame shows how easy it is to take care of her husband, it does demonstrate knowledge of cause and effect. The ones on The View are in denial about this.

    Too busy blabbing they are

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  30. As men age this becomes dangerous. Testosterone drops. Wife’s boobs drop. Hubby’s inherent sexual want of even a loving wife drops. Gads! Yes! It does!

    And as many modern wives dont home make, their utility value drops.

    A fire, coffee, a book after barn chores and I am content.
    I may be in the mood….sometime this month.

    So withhold all you want. I really dont care. Therre is the Net after all.

    But openly weaponize and admit it???


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  31. Ame says:

    “To me, it seems that the greater portion of it is a will to take care of her husband.”

    i’ve said it often … for women, it is a choice. sure, there are factors that drive us to *want* to do things … or that motivate us to *want* to do them. and there are times in our cycles and seasons in life where some of these things are much easier than others. and there are certainly some men who are easier to follow and honor than others. but, in the end, we make our own choices.

    in the bible there are clear instructions for men and women even though many try to twist what it says. when God gives instruction in the bible, He doesn’t give it as an “if” .. “then.” He simply gives the instruction. for example, the bible says to wives in ephesians 5, “22 Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. 24 Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything. … 33, and the wife must respect her husband.”

    no where in there does it say that her husband should be a certain way for her to submit to him or respect him. she doesn’t get an ‘out’ clause if he’s not an alpha … or if he doesn’t take care of himself … or if he doesn’t make ‘enough’ money … or if he’s mean … or if he works too much, etc. and while many other verses surrounding these speak to the husband and give him instruction, there is still no ‘if’ ‘then’ clause to be found anywhere.

    i’m not a perfect person or a perfect wife, and my husband is the first to let me know of my humanity. gratefully, he also doesn’t hold it against me (as my first husband did, so i have been there; done that). but as one who believes in Jesus, i really do try to live out the bible. in doing so, it is my choice to honor and respect and submit to my husband, regardless of whether or not i feel like he has ‘earned’ it or ‘deserves’ it or whatever else. and, you know … i’m a wimmin … so i do gots lots of those feelz things going on all.the.time.

    i will say, it is interesting having been married twice … that while there are similarities in marriage, the two men are very different. as the wife, it is my role to adapt to that … some of which has been easier than others.

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  32. A backlash on the scale of Trumps magical, unforseeable win is coming.

    And we are still waiting for last decades wonderful divorcees to hit 50 and the kids leave home and the child support stops. Now use your 50 year old vag as a weapon.
    Go on.
    Men DARE you!

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  33. From a 2015 rollo post “wives and lovers” comment

    “You will not fuck your wife anymore, you will not fuck your wife anymore, YOU WILL NOT FUCK YOUR WIFE ANYMORE! You will spend your days looking forward to the newest posts on Pornhub, and reliving your single life conquests when you jerk off in the shower every morning. You can go to the gym 2 hours a day 5 days a week, you can dress well and groom impeccably, you can be funny and attractive so much so that other women are openly attracted to you, none of this will matter to your wife-she does not want to fuck you ever again, EVER! You can not “Alpha” your way out of it, your six pack does not matter, the fact that other women want to fuck you does not matter-She does not want to fuck you anymore and the more you try the more disgusted she is by your presence.

    Here is the kicker, if you are in shape and take care of yourself you will look up one day and a younger attractive girl will give you the eye. You are going to fuck the shit out of that girl, years of pent up sexual energy will be unleashed and you will fuck this new piece of ass like you have never fucked before. You will come and be ready for round 2 in five minutes flat. Then you will fuck some more , and you will not even be close to coming (likely due to the fact that after years of masturbation only sex your kung fu grip has made achieving orgasm difficult even with the tightest of young vagina) but you will still thrust away, just amazed that someone young and attractive found you desirable. Four hours later after you have fucked this poor girl to death, you are going to go home to that frigid cunt who has kept you in a sexual wasteland for years and you are going to look at her when you walk in the house and act like everything is fine. But in your mind you are going to ask “why should I continue to suffer married celibacy?” That is the Red Fucking Pill.””

    So weaponize.
    Once he doesnt need you he will return the favour.
    Or the fiance will just not bother showing up.g

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  34. Cause. Meet effect.

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  35. Farmboy.


    “Riddle me this Batman.

    Of what use is a wife to a 50 year old man once the kids have left?”


  36. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    They may be out there already but, I think they need to stack up some more. It will be a problem.

    As for those harridans on The View, keep talking.

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  37. I know I was taught all sorts of counterproductive stuff about relationships/marriage. The usual feminazi stuff, “don’t spoil him or you’ll create your own monster” and “split the chores” and “blah blah blah. I had no idea how to actually be a good wife, and my husband too was equally unprepared. Even now I have to conciously push back on the bad programming.

    I would agree w the sex drive biz and women. Usually if she’s not in the mood once things get rolling she catches up. When the church did a 30days of sex challenge for gals at first they found it difficult but by the end of the month they didn’t want the daily sex to stop! So there may be an interns thing involved…

    I have always thought withholding sex and affection from one’s spouse is just downright mean. It’s even in the vows!

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  38. Something I would recommend couples do is get a “joy of Sex” type book and explore new things now and then. Variety is the spice of life! But sometimes “the tried and true” go to is good, too when people are tired or low energy for the bells and whistles.

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  39. Inertia NOT interns, lol!


  40. Farm Boy says:

    One of the searches that somebody made that ended up at Spawny’s was “wallpaper boob”. I am not sure how that happened.

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  41. Farm Boy says:

    serving my husband homemade meals and pouring his milk …

    And here is her hubby returning the favor

    Click on it — you will laugh


  42. SFC Ton says:

    Mmmmm interns…… i’ll take 3

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  43. SFC Ton says:

    Anything that puzzles a man about hatchet wounds needs to be viewed through one thing

    Her evolutionary purpose on this planet is to whelp youngins and get them to a certia age and then whelp another one. Over and over again

    All of our biological purposes is to breed.

    Hypergammy helps women pick the best options to spawn with to help ensure survival of the species

    Lack of cause and effect…. think women would want to fuck if they associated getting pounded out with the pain of child birth? Yeah that gets them lubed up…….

    Sex drive… if her sex drive sucks ane she is healthyl…it’s you not her. Paint her back porch red, pound that bitch out from behind and clean your junk off with her hair a couple nights in a row. That’ll keep her moist. And if not keep her on edge for extended periods of time and don’t let her cum for a month

    But 1st and foremost stop treating them like anything other then a sex object. Bitches loathe being treated like an equal

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  44. Farm Boy says:

    dad doesn’t pull a ‘Ton’ on her and stop that.

    The Ton really expands the vocabulary around here

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  45. Subtle he ain’t.
    The secret to his success.

    Mine is I rea!ly don’t give a shit.

    Creates natural dread without trying. Cause its true.
    Stay. Leave. Dont care.
    But staying requires certain contributions.

    And the only thing worse than knowing you are replaceable?
    Knowing you are replaceable…by nothing.

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  46. happyhousewifey says:

    I know it’s not very ladylike of me, but I clicked like on Tons comment. If this were real life, I’d laugh at his comments, and just give him a sceptic look. But this is anonymous so who cares. The man gets it absolutely right.

    And Mgtowhorseman – I have an aunty who has a gravelly smokers voice, cropped hair, is obese, over 50, and neither intelligent nor funny. But she gets up hours before her peers and makes her husband breakfast before (his very early) work every day. He never does ANYTHING around the house. And he does all the finances. They have no kids, just a dog, and they’re such a happy couple.

    Being sweet is usually enough to keep a good man around.

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  47. Spawny Get says:

    “Riddle me this Batman.

    Of what use is a wife to a 50 year old man once the kids have left?”

    The situation at 50 will have been created since she was…whatever age she was when they met. 25 years of loyal, sweet and loving can go a long way (with a man).

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  48. Spawny Get says:

    ah, the classics

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  49. Spawny Get says:

    PJW makes a cracker (the interview starting at 2:50 is a killer for me)

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  50. Spawny Get says:

    Merry Christmas din-din

    in case you call ’em something different (Courgette vs Zucchini style), the green things are properly called Brussels Sprouts. Mini cabbages-ish. Kids hate ’em. Adults love and/or hate them. A Christmas Din-Din tradition.

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  51. FNU MNU LNU says:

    184. When a wife tries to train a man to not want her sexually, she will surely succeed. She will also succeed in training him to want someone else.


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  52. SFC Ton says:

    Brussels sprouts aren’t food
    They are what food eats but are themselves not fit for human consumption

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  53. Spawny Get says:

    I’m 60:40 on liking them with roast beef, good thick gravy and mash, didn’t like ’em as a kid

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  54. This guy has a point:

    Saudi Arabia spent $25 million trying to buy the next president but cucks and liberals think it’s Russia that’s undermining our democracy 🤔

    Liked by 3 people

  55. FNU MNU LNU says:

    SG: “Of what use is a wife to a 50 year old man once the kids have left?”

    with or without teeth?

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  56. Yoda says:

    Yes, Clinton Foundation all about foreign influence it is.
    Oddly care about this not the media does

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  57. SFC Ton says:

    “I know it’s not very ladylike of me, but I clicked like on Tons comment. If this were real life, I’d laugh at his comments, and just give him a sceptic look. But this is anonymous so who cares. The man gets it absolutely right.”

    LOL here’s to ladies of Spawnys….. and its after lunch so no judging bitches

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  58. Spawny Get says:

    “with or without teeth?”
    Bonus point for filth. Don’t judge me, the sun has been down for hours

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  59. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    As for the 50 year old, it all comes down to personality and, at that age, it has shown on the outside for a long time.

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  60. Spawny Get says:

    #PizzaGate’s UK cousin begins in earnest?

    A Tory parliamentary candidate and former chairman of LGBTory has been arrested in connection with alleged child pornography offences. Matthew Sephton is a Tory councillor in Manchester who was the party’s candidate in Manchester Central. He is well-known on the Tory party circuit and has met with Theresa May and David Cameron. He’s also a primary school teacher and has been suspended by his school.


  61. Cautiously Pessimistic says:

    Brussels sprouts are technically a form of packing foam.

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  62. Spawny Get says:

    CP packing foam crossed with Marmite


  63. Yoda says:

    The CIA has concluded in a secret assessment that Russia intervened in killing Harambe the gorilla, according to officials briefed on the matter.

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  64. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    That is a little deep.


  65. Farm Boy says:

    There is a new post.


  66. Yoda says:

    Harambe many votes for president he did receive.
    Even though dead he would be
    Imagine how many vote receive if alive he was.
    So clearly Putin interfered in the election he did


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