What Many Women Want (And Won’t Admit It)

Commenter Ame stated

Like little children who feel safest when firm, safe boundaries are set and kept, so do women. and, like little children, women try to change those boundary lines continuously. Honestly, we’re exhausting. I’m continuously amazed at how my husband handles me ~ some days there aren’t enough gold medals available to give him

Ton replied,

Basically women crave a benevolent dictator. Dudes don’t get how that soothes the feminine soul.

Pick up is about taking them on an emotional roller coaster ride of your choosing, one so intense it bypasses their bitch shield, anti slut defense and cock blocking best friend/ beta orbiter etc.

Ltrs are about taking them on an emotional roller coaster of your choosing and a rock solid frame that let’s their hamster get some rest every now and then.

A day or three back, over at Rollo’s I told the guys I had to learn to be more beta post divorce. At 1st I was too serious, then too intense/ scary then I started regaining my sense of humor, being a little more child like and dorky to offset the menacing. … the point to that is… you call the shots, you set the agenda, you stand firm on her silly ass list of needs etc but you don’t have to be overbearing about it. Teasing ie neg’ing is about that not being over bearing ( plus women are wordy creatures and they like the verbal display for higher value)

Sounds Iike a lot to juggle, but most guys are quick studies and most chicks are easy to manage if you start off with good frame…. and they know you’ll in a box under the over pass before you put up with her bullshit

Then HappyHouseWifey chimed in

Also what Ame said, hormones! The same event can be wonderful or terrible depending on the hormonal influences (keeping a diary made this clear to me) and memories can be colored to say the least. I assume it’s the same for other women, but I find my moods are more stable with frequent sexual activity.

Also benevolent dictator, what Ton said! Although I think he’d still scare me – different cultures have different ideas of what makes a person overbearing. I’ve met a few Americans and even the women were so intense I just nod and smile and back away slowly. The women I know feel the same, the men (especially the ones who have crossed the Atlantic) usually like Americans and say they are extremely nice. I know it’s a whole continent and attitudes vary, but wow, even your commercials… INTENSE

There apparently is sentiment among women for the fella to take control and power through (for real, not Hillary Style) all of the hormones and general shit testing.  But with Modern Feminism, women are absolutely told to never allow a man to take control.  As role models we have Michelle Obama (who Barack terms superior) and of course Hillary Clinton.  Could Bill or Barack ever had a chance taming them?

When one has a strong internal conflict, it normally manifests itself in odd and counter productive ways.  Probably this is a big reason why modern women are just such messes.  They never accept the internal conflict, they never do anything to resolve it, they just fall apart as they grow older.

As for men, their most intense internal conflict is more out in the open.  Young men want w0men.  They mostly can’t have them.  This causes great pain at the time.  But as men are capable of doing, they get over it in the course of time; typically having some flavor of MGTOW forced upon them (e.g. divorce).  They come to terms with it all, and are more healthy as they age.

Sometimes it is better to be a man.

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62 comments on “What Many Women Want (And Won’t Admit It)
  1. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Farm Boy,
    Women have a choice to make. They can choose to live cooperatively with men or, they can chase the feminist dream. They can’t have both.


  2. Yoda says:

    Feminism sure fucks up women it does

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  3. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Off topic but the ultimate expression of hypergamy. This woman has quite a history.

    FFS, don’t donatee sperm! The model of an infertile couple resorting to thi in desperation no longer holds. It is going to be women too vain to marry and they will need child support.

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  4. Ame says:

    “When one has a strong internal conflict, it normally manifests itself in odd and counter productive ways. Probably this is a big reason why modern women are just such messes. They never accept the internal conflict, they never do anything to resolve it, they just fall apart as they grow older.”

    they blame it on men, or whatever … if one doesn’t accept something that is, they have to blame someone or something else.

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  5. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Easier to blame someone else for the choices made. I can see that.


  6. SFC Ton says:

    LOL that bitch looks like she crashed into the wall….then backed up and slammed into it again….then the wall fell on her… then she escaped the rubble and slammed into another wall

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  7. Spawny Get says:

    Ton, she was a real sex-bomb…back some years.

    Don’t donate sperm because when the state goes bust they’ll make a law making a man liable for all his kids. It’s for da kidz…what cold hearted person could vote no? /sarc

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  8. Spawny Get says:

    Just something for da kidz to think about

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  9. Spawny Get says:

    Chocks away

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  10. Spawny Get says:

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  11. Spawny Get says:

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  12. Spawny Get says:


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  13. Spawny Get says:

    Thought provoking for the hard of thinking?

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  14. Spawny Get says:

    If you’re in the mood for a laugh 13:21

    laughing along with this guy beats an embolism or burst blood vessel

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  15. thedeti says:

    Agree with the post.

    Men have to have a good, solid frame to do this. Men have to be able to say “no” and make it stick. I had the hardest time with this as a young married man.

    The first time I had to do this was in my first married year. It has always been my job to handle the bills and pay them. To do that I used her checkbook and mine, wrote down all the checks she wrote into my checkbook, and balanced the books. We’d been married about 6 months. We had the following conversation (more or less):

    Deti: What did you spend this $50 on?

    Mrs. D: I don’t remember. What does it matter?

    D: Because I want to know. Wasn’t in the budget.

    Mrs. D: This is ridiculous.

    D: What was it for?

    Mrs. D: You can’t grill me like this. I think we should go to separate bank accounts.

    D: No, we’re not doing that.

    Mrs. D: I’m done with this conversation.

    D: Not yet. If you want separate bank accounts, I think we should just get divorced, because I’m not going to be responsible for making the money and paying the bills, and not know where the money is going.

    Mrs. D: Oh my God! The hell with this.

    D: Whatever. When you calm down and want to discuss this like a rational adult, let me know.

    We didn’t get separate accounts.

    (Why I couldn’t maintain that kind of frame with other things is a whole nother story.)

    Frame is everything in this regard. You have to ride out the emotions, let her feel them, and stand firm in your “no”. It can become a war. Mrs. D. gave me the silent treatment for 2 days once. Just ride it out. You chicks get over it eventually. And if you don’t, well, then you can just be single/divorced, quite frankly.

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  16. Yoda says:

    Address this to hipsters and SJWs one should


  17. thedeti says:

    This right here is why men are told that they need to start out with a solid frame from the get go.

    What men need to do is to build a life for themselves; then invite a woman into that life if they want to. If a man does the opposite (put himself into a woman’s life), then it’s HER frame that dominates, mainly because that’s the dynamic from the start and because that’s what she is accustomed to. And neither of them like that long term.

    Men, build something for yourself first, then take a woman along in that something you built for you. Then, when she tries to change it or reshape it, you say “no, it’s like this for a reason, you don’t get to change it. You don’t like it, there’s the door.”

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  18. Yoda says:

    Mrs. D: I don’t remember. What does it matter?

    “What does it matter”
    Not secretly Bill Clinton you are?


  19. thedeti says:

    “Hormones and shit testing”

    “Also what Ame said, hormones! The same event can be wonderful or terrible depending on the hormonal influences (keeping a diary made this clear to me) and memories can be colored to say the least.”

    Roissy’s commandment 15:

    XV. Maintain your state control

    You are an oak tree. You will not be manipulated by crying, yelling, lying, head games, sexual withdrawal, jealousy ploys, pity plays, shit tests, hot/cold/hot/cold, disappearing acts, or guilt trips. She will rain and thunder all around you and you will shelter her until her storm passes. She will not drag you into her chaos or uproot you. When you have mastery over yourself, you will have mastery over her.

    “I assume it’s the same for other women, but I find my moods are more stable with frequent sexual activity.”

    Commandment 14:

    XIV. Fuck her good

    Fuck her like it’s your last fuck. And hers. Fuck her so good, so hard, so wantonly, so profligately that she is left a quivering, sparking mass of shaking flesh and sex fluids. Drain her of everything, then drain her some more. Kiss her all over, make love to her all night, and hold her close in the morning. Own her body, own her gratitude, own her love. If you don’t know how, learn to give her squirting orgasms.

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  20. thedeti says:

    Sometimes it’s good to get back to the basics.

    RE: Frame and its importance.

    Commandment 4.

    IV. Don’t play by her rules

    If you allow a woman to make the rules she will resent you with a seething contempt even a rapist cannot inspire. The strongest woman and the most strident feminist wants to be led by, and to submit to, a more powerful man. Polarity is the core of a healthy loving relationship. She does not want the prerogative to walk all over you with her capricious demands and mercurial moods. Her emotions are a hurricane, her soul a saboteur. Think of yourself as a bulwark against her tempest. When she grasps for a pillar to steady herself against the whipping winds or yearns for an authority figure to foil her worst instincts, it is you who has to be there… strong, solid, unshakeable and immovable.

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  21. happyhousewifey says:

    I disagree with the building a life first thing. This thinf you guys call ‘frame’ is just being a good decision-maker. My husband and I were still living at home when we got together, he switched his educational path around and changed careers en has been unemployed for a year and started his own business. He has been a professional athlete and he has been ill and gotten overweight and got back in shape. But all this time, he was like a rock to me. He seemed to have everything under control. Maybe he did worry about employment, but we had enough to eat and we had a roof over our heads and he didn’t seem worried so I felt secure. He did hate the extra weight, but he didn’t burden me with it and he seemed to just need some time and better health to restore himself. He changed his mind on some things over time, but I did the same with my hairstyle 🙂 He was always calm, never lost his temper, just told me what’s what.
    🙂 I’ll tell him what he has is called frame. His family calls it *family name*stubbornness!


  22. thedeti says:


    In order to do all that, he has to have had a life of his own first. It’s not about just being a good decisionmaker. It’s about being a whole, fully integrated human being, with his life fully on point. He just makes it look so easy. Of course, your being very, very sexually attracted to him helps. (If he was a professional athlete, your sexual attraction to him is a given.)

    Nowadays, a marriage is never ever going to make it long term without very high levels of mutual sexual attraction. Just will not make it. That’s why MGTOW is going to explode in the next 10 to 50 years. Most men do not have what it takes to sexually attract and keep a woman long term. They just don’t. Most men will be MGTOW by force.

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  23. thedeti says:

    “This thing you guys call ‘frame’ is just being a good decision-maker.”

    A man can make good, sound, fact-based and evidence- based decisions; and still be a total and complete inept pussy when it comes to managing his relationships with people.

    He can be a good decisionmaker and still be a pushover wimp when it comes to handling women. He can be very intelligent and make great decisions that make total sense. But if he’s an unattractive, fatass pussy who can’t dress well and has hairfuck, he will be completely unable to attract and keep women.

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  24. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Between Jodie Marsh and Angelina Jolie, I don’t think that it much matters. Jodie Marsh has had every man she ever wanted and dumped them all. Now, she won’t have sex. Angelina dumped Brad Pitt. I don’t think getting more alpha is going to help. I have the feeling that is our future. One in which most women cannot be satisfied.

    Thank you for the tip about balancing the checkbook. That is a good early warning sign.


  25. SFC Ton says:

    Brad Pitt = beta.

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  26. SFC Ton says:

    I am trying to think of something more beta then knowingly raising another man’s get, dressing youroom child up like the opposite sex and marrying Angelina Jolie. I reckon there are larger vets tells, just none come to mind at the moment.

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  27. Spawny Get says:

    Going out to all the illaryTards

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  28. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    When one of the world’s most desirable men is dumped by his wife. I don’t think getting more alpha is going to help. To describe him as beta is bending the circumstance to conform to your worldview. As for the at worldview, it must be flawed. What was it that Werner von Braun would say after a spectacular rocket mishap? “Back to ze drawing board.” We need a worldview that can explain how one of a handful of the the most desirable men in the world can get dumped.


  29. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Spawny Get,
    That would hurt, A LOT.

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  30. RichardP says:

    A burnt out match is no longer useful for being a match. But it is still useful – as kindling.

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  31. Spawny Get says:

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  32. RichardP says:

    Re: “We need a worldview that can explain how one of a handful of the the most desirable men in the world can get dumped.”

    Reality: she loved her kids more than she loved him. He wanted to be firm with them and provide guidelines and boundaries. She didn’t want that. So out he goes. The kids he was being firm with were with Angelina before Brad was with her. So how dare he attempt to raise them differently than she wants (says she)? And she can afford it, to live life with the kids without Brad (or insert any othe name here).

    What about that situation can possibly be applied to the run-of-the mill Dick and Janes of which the world is mostly made?

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  33. Spawny Get says:

    I’ll try and sort the background tomorrow, net is crappy for me right now


  34. Spawny Get says:

    Fuzz, it’s worse than you think. I don’t think the bull used lube.

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  35. SFC Ton says:

    LOL sure he is desirable. Or was.
    He is wealthy, famous and good looking.
    None of which is alpha. Or beta. They are neutral.

    Pitt behaved like a beta. There is no rational arugement to counter his beta behavior. He could have been alpha and then submitted to her frame. Happens often enough. Or he could have always been beta with a thin alpha veneer. Also happens often enough. No way of telling which, but there is no way around the fact he was beta in regards to Jolie.

    And it could be true no man is alpha enough for that crazy bitch. There are no shortages of crazy bitches like that

    But it is also true none of that spells doom for any particular man.

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  36. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Richard P,
    I don’t think that was it. What I think it was is something that all modern women are trained to do. That is to develop and foster resentment to their significant other. Eventually the contempt overcomes whatever vestiges of affection are left. The only advantage to being alpha is that the process takes a little longer.


  37. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    You are looking backwards and trying to make circumstances fit your worldview.

    Then, there is Johnny Depp, dumped by Amber Heard after fifteen months. I think she planned to fleece him. But his elevated SMV was no defense.

    No, I don’t think relative alphaness or betaness, helps to explain it. What may be closer to the mark is that all women are looking for a reason to reject and it never, ever stops.


  38. mgtowhorseman says:

    Deti is right as usual.

    I go a step further than just Frame.

    It is my life. My house. My time.
    If you want to come along thats fine.
    I do NOTHING, not one thing,
    for, because of, to please, to frame…
    her (aka Ms HM)

    Best words I ever said were “I want a divorce.”
    It reframed the entire relationship to me.

    Not that I am a heartless bastard. My wishes and thoughts consider her actual needs not her hormonal or bored wants. And her wants do align with mine quite often. But all my thoughts and actions are directed from a centre of me.

    I Act. She Reacts.

    She Frames her behaviour to me.
    If her behaviour is wrong I correct it.

    Case in point. This time of year she tends to nest and cocoon while I am enjoying the chill in the woods, off for hours. She basically is bored.
    Monday. Mrs. “We should go out Friday just the two of us”
    Me “Like a date?”
    Mrs. “Yes”
    Me. “No! I dont do dates.” said very blandly, matter of fact.

    Seems heartless. But it was her framing from her boredom.
    She wanted me to amuse her. Not happening.

    Also it was a mild rejection. I was happier every night this week playing in the woods with the mutt than inside with her. Monday, Tuesday. Sulking. Hamster revved to 1000 rpm. But she knows better than to get pissy.
    By Thursday hamster starts getting all… he has options, he doesn’t need me, he is sexy and decisive.
    By Friday she is sending me dirty texts.

    So Friday night I come home and instead of bush clothes I put on a clean shirt. “Going to the pub for a burger, you coming?” She was fun and light and all excited.

    And it wasnt like I planned it since Monday. In fact it was cause I skipped lunch. But coming solely from me, running my life, naturally gives her the rollercoaeter she wants while at the same time setting boundaries on her behaviour.

    Sounds cold superficially but I dont have a wife.
    I have a woman my age who boards in my house, contributes thru chores and money and when we feel like it we fuck like bunnies. And when she becomes bothersome, like any good landlord, I fuck off and do what I want.

    If you are thinking Frame you are on your way. But you will slip because you are maintaining an external driving force. Until you recentre, permanently refocus, it will not be consistent.

    Its not just a saying from mad men. Its an internalized driver.

    What do women want?
    Who the fuck cares?

    Until then you are just REACTING better.

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  39. mgtowhorseman says:

    All of the feminism, mgtow, bttle of the sexes, blah blah blah bushit comes down to one simple question.

    Who Acts and who Reacts to the Action.

    If you do anything to please, attract, deflect, get along with, blah blah blah Anyone else…girls, boss, ISIS, Republican, Democrat, EU…

    You are REACTING and the ACTIONER is in control.

    Instead YOU do for you and the world reacts.

    (Thats not meaning being reckless. Seal rule #1
    Plan the dive, dive the plan)

    Modern women are acting. We, well youse, are reacting.

    Stop it.

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  40. Yoda says:

    Until you recentre,

    Canadian frame you do have


  41. Yoda says:

    Lots of good info this thread does have

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  42. Yoda says:

    Wonder how long “Cardboard Hillary” stand up before falling down it would I do.
    Perhaps improvement over “Real Hillary” it would be

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  43. Yoda says:

    Yesterday at rally on Degoba, Trump described his movement as “Brexit Plus” he did.
    Warmed the hearts of Degobans he did

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  44. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    You just made me think of Donald Trump addressing a house full of Yodas and Mrs. Yodas.
    Amusing this would be.

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  45. Spawny Get says:

    Oh I like this one. I think Donald likened the impending election to BREXIT earlier

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  46. Spawny Get says:

    It’s likely that you’ll love the interview on this link at 23:34
    Coulter opens a can of fuck you on a BBC luvvie and a lefty twat. Or that’s the rumour

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  47. Spawny Get says:

    Definitely watch that video ^

    Coulter calls them out as liars, that’s a quote. Says they’re being prissy. I’m not even half way through. 🙂

    I fucking hate the UK MSM, it’s an absolute disgrace lately. Just lying all the time. Or reporting lies as facts.

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  48. Spawny Get says:

    DAMN THAT VIDEO IS GREAT. Coulter and Farage…get them together and destroy the politicians and the media.

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  49. Farm Boy says:

    There is a new post


  50. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Spawny Get,
    You can have Nigel Farage back if we can borrow him from time to time, but Ann Coulter is ours! You are allowed to borrow her from time to time.
    She was too nice to them. They were awful and trying to influence an election they don’t get to participate in.

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  51. mgtowhorseman says:

    We Canucks put the u in colour and put the e and the r in tbe right order; theatre, centre, litre.

    Then again its pronounced Zed. Never understood why something not hard is EZed.

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  52. Yoda says:

    What going on aboot you are?

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  53. mgtowhorseman says:

    What are yooouuuze talking abaat?

    and its not footwear
    a boot.

    its you lower stomach not being in.
    ab out.

    P.s. Peter Jennings, James T Kirk, Jack Bauer,
    yup… All loyal sons of the Maple Leaf.
    (But you can keep Celine, we don’t want her back. Ever.)


  54. Yoda says:

    Montgomery Scott, Alex Trebek add to the list I do.
    Funny doallers with Queen Liz you do have


  55. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    And no more Mounties on the back of the fifty.


  56. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    You mentioned Jack Bauer. There is also his father, who played a very unlikely Pierre Gustav Toutant Beauregard. Sorry, I could only find this dubbed version. When they sing, it is in English and in their own voices.

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  57. Spawny Get says:

    Great song. Strip out the issue of slavery and all the lies surrounding it and my allegiance would have been clear.

    What did the northerners think they were fighting for at the time? Not the politicians. The men, what caused them to fight?


  58. Spawny Get says:

    Coulter just said the things that I have long wanted said about the lying media. To their faces. And they had no comeback because they know that they’re lying. Lying to my face is something that I strongly dislike happening. I remember shouting down the lane to a retreating tory canvasser that Cameron was a waste of space…I was right and he knew it.

    I used to highly rate Andrew ‘Brillo’ Neil, but he absolutely toes the ABBC line on illary vs Trump. Now I wouldn’t mind that scrutiny on Trump if it were matched by scrutiny of illary…but it is NOT. And that’s the disgrace.


  59. Spawny Get says:

    I arsume that this is the normal TV discussion that preceded Coulter’s excellent work last night. That they did the later bit after this just shows their poor judgement.


    ‘I think I said the exact opposite’ BBC slammed by Trump supporter ahead of US election

    A DONALD Trump supporter has slapped down a Newsnight presenter after eloquently setting out the reasons why people will vote for the Republican.


  60. Spawny Get says:

    To be fair, Milo can do it too

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  61. happyhousewifey says:

    TheDeti – “He can be a good decisionmaker and still be a pushover wimp when it comes to handling women. He can be very intelligent and make great decisions that make total sense. But if he’s an unattractive, fatass pussy who can’t dress well and has hairfuck, he will be completely unable to attract and keep women.”

    Isn’t it just another (bad) decision, to change a good plan to appease a woman in her many moods?
    It still sounds to me like ‘frame’ is just maturity/stubbornness/decisiveness.
    “He just makes it look easy” yes he does! I kinda think it just comes naturally to him, maybe some kids are born steadfast? His mother used to test his resolve (don’t ask me why!), even as a child, he refused to steal candy even when she said just the one was okay.


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