Respect


It is a truism around the manosphere that men work for and desire respect.  This includes both self-respect and the respect of others.  Let us consider this,

University of Notre Dame anthropologist Michael Jindra first noticed it in the late 1990s that more and more, his students, particularly the young men, seemed less invested in their studies.“It’s hard to describe. It just seemed like their heads were someplace else,” Jindra said. “More than in the past.”

Jindra talked to some of his struggling students and found various reasons for their academic performance, but one thing stood out: all-night video game marathons.

A theory took root that Jindra’s been studying ever since — a cultural shift is under way, a kind of escapism where a growing number of young people, especially men, are becoming more invested in recreational pursuits to “escape” their traditional social behaviors, like being fathers or career-driven providers….

The report outlined economic reasons for the decline, like fewer jobs. But in a telling detail, the report found that unemployed men spent almost twice as much time on leisure activities and more than twice as much time watching television. It’s no coincidence, Jindra thinks, that this trend has intensified with the rampant growth and prevalence of digital media and entertainment

There is little for young men these days that is positive in the larger culture and as James Taranto of the Wall Street Journal once so astutely pointed out: “But there’s a reason they’re attracted to that particular pursuit. Video games are a simulacrum of masculine virtue: challenge, mastery, control.”

In a culture where these virtues are frowned upon, it’s no wonder men are more drawn to video games then to a classroom, career, or relationship where to perform well, one must appear docile or subservient to women and the state. People these days hate strong-willed men, hence the hatred of Trump. There are few who can take the heat of hatred, so video games and other pursuits can be a substitute life, at least for a while.

With video games, boys/men can develop self-respect from mastering them.  They can gain the respect of others also through this mastery.  One might suggest that this is all so silly, as it is just competitions in make believe worlds.  Perhaps, but respect results from it just the same.  Consider boys/men when playing athletic games.  They want to do well, and for their team to win (well maybe not so much in beer leagues).  Often they work very hard to improve their skills in order to perform more effectively.  Much of this is about respect.  So there is a precedent here.

Where did many men in times past gain respect?  From being the head of a family.  It was considered to be a fine virtuous thing to do, with extra kudos if you did it well.  Those days are gone.  Nobody respects fathers much anymore.  They are mocked in sit-coms and in commercials, and mostly they are considered to be chumps.  If one wants to be a father, these days it is because he truly wants to be a father, as there is no respect to be had there.

Here is the question: what endeavors today lead to men obtaining both self-respect and the respect of others?

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66 comments on “Respect
  1. Farm Boy says:

    There are few who can take the heat of hatred

    Probably many could, but what would be the point?

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  2. Sunshine says:

    Doesn’t Ton always say masculinity has to do with the ability to inflict violence? Maybe that is why video games are so appealing; it is playacting at asserting one’s will through the use of imaginary violence. You’d think feminists would be happy about that, but no. They always have to have something to bitch about, I guess.

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  3. Farm Boy says:

    Doesn’t Ton always say masculinity has to do with the ability to inflict violence? Maybe that is why video games are so appealing; it is playacting at asserting one’s will through the use of imaginary violence.

    But it is not real violence, and that is the key (no tingles). Also, they are not making money or doing whatever for women if they are doing this.

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  4. Farm Boy says:

    It used to be that being a father would give a man societal respect now. Apparently the way to societal respect for a man in the present day is through being a celebrity.

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  5. Yoda says:

    How important for men respect it would be?

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  6. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Farm Boy,
    They have taken away all paths to dignity and made a joke of fatherhood. They can’t still expect us to play?

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  7. Spawny Get says:

    illary for next last President of the US (and the western world).

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  8. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    I don’t think that I will sleep well. Most of what is on my home page is all the women coming out tof the woodwork to accuse Trump of fondling them.

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  9. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Spawny Get,
    What she is holding nature proved for the benefit of girl bears.
    SHE IS NOT A GIRL BEAR! Get yer hyands off!

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  10. Had to share this awesome comment I read on theVox Day blog:
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    David PowerOctober 14, 2016 1:53 AM
    Although admittedly I’m observing this from over here in London, even I’ve noticed that, for some reason, the US media seem hell bent on trivialising this election by focusing on contrived tabloid hit-pieces nobody really cares about. Or at least, nobody should care about! But for me it is, and always will be – all about the issues:

    STATE OF THE UNION

    If you feel that America is doing just fine, both domestically and internationally and all that is needed is more of the same; vote for her.

    But if you think the previous eight years have accelerated America’s decline, both at home and abroad and that a new direction is needed; vote for him.

    NATIONAL DEBT:

    If you feel that the biggest national dept in history is nothing much to worry about and that America can continue to borrow it’s way into further debt indefinitely; vote for her.

    But if you think that America needs to tackle its unprecedented debt by insisting its economic rivals cease protecting their own markets by cynically manipulating the value of their own currencies and start playing on a level playing field; vote for him.

    DEFENCE:

    If you feel that entering into endless proxy conflicts abroad is a great use of your most cherished national asset – the brave Men and Women who serve in your military; vote for her.

    But if you think that American service Men and Women should only ever be used to protect America’s direct interests and that other nations who rely on America’s protection should contribute to the cost of that protection; vote for him.

    IMMIGRATION:

    If you feel that mass illegal immigration from the third world and all the adverse social deprivations associated with it, is good for America; vote for her.

    But if you think that America should cease its policy of mass immigration from the third world until it can provide sufficiently for the people who are already in the country. And that America should finally start enforcing its existing laws on illegal immigration; vote for him.

    LAW AND ORDER:

    If you feel that vilifying your law enforcement officers and whipping up racial tensions, in already gang infested and drug riddled inner cities, has made them better places to live; vote for her.

    But if you think the people who live in America’s cities deserve to be protected by strong and respected law enforcement agencies. And that the gang-crime that blights many of those cities needs to be tackled and tackled hard; vote for him.

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    David PowerOctober 14, 2016 1:55 AM

    JOBS:

    If you feel that allowing your industries to sack their American workers and move to third world countries to take advantage of slave labour and then sell their goods back to you, without penalty, is an acceptable economic policy; vote for her.

    But if you think that encouraging industries to remain within America and penalising those that try the slave foreign labour route will be good for America and American workers; vote for him.

    TRADE:

    If you feel that continuing to operate international trade agreements which allow your economic rivals to restrict your exports to them while they are allowed to flood your markets with there goods is wise or even economically sustainable; vote for her.

    But if you think that the international trade agreements America is currently operating were poorly advised and have, in large part, contributed to America’s economic decline and must be revisited, revised and redrafted so as to benefit America’s economy rather than building up the economies of its rivals; vote for him.

    TERRORISM:

    If you feel that it is wise to ignore the fact that America’s core values are under violent attack from people who obtained their vicious hatred of those values from the teachings of Islam. And that it is some how morally wrong to even mention the phrase “Islamic Terrorism” for fear of offending somebody’s misplaced sensibilities; vote for her.

    But if you think that America should acknowledge that many of the teachings of Islam are incompatible with the freedoms it holds dear, including equal rights for gays and women, and that people suspected of favouring such teachings should not be allowed into the country unchecked; vote for him.

    FOREIGN AFFAIRS:

    If you feel that America’s declining influence on the world stage and the continued disrespect and contempt America is now held in by many of its international rivals is something to be proud of; vote for her.

    But if you think that America should prioritise forging alliances with nations who show it mutual respect and share its core values, and that are fighting against the same scourge of Islamic Terrorism America is fighting. While disengaging from nations that are openly disrespectful and that have values that are morally abhorrent to those your forefathers made so much effort to establish; vote for him.

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    David PowerOctober 14, 2016 1:55 AM
    POLITICAL SYSTEM:

    If you feel that it is fine to be ruled by career politicians who have had to beg, steel and borrow hundreds of millions of dollars from self-interested groups to fund their political careers. Groups that naturally expect a return on their investments; vote for her.

    But if you think that America has been poorly served by its political class – of both hews – for the past several decades and that the political system its self, has become so reliant on obtaining donations from self-interested groups, that now no person of integrity could ever make it into office. And if you believe that electing bought and payed for puppet politicians has cost America dearly and that only a self funded candidate can break the cycle of corruption; vote for him.

    TEMPERAMENT AND CHARACTER:

    If you feel that a career politician who has become rich from so called ‘public service’ is likely to keep their promises ‘this time’ despite the countless empty and broken promises of their past. And that it’s acceptable for a politician to justify their many mistakes, lies and let-downs buy merely laughing them off as “miss-steps” “brain freezes” or “miss-speaks”; vote for her.

    But if you think that it is time to wrestle the reigns of power away from the people who have lead America into the mess in which it now finds itself and to give a chance to a non-politician, a proven employment creator with a solid record of business success, and who has brought up a beautiful family who love and respect them, a winner in every sense of the word and someone who obviously loves their country; vote for him.

    In my humble opinion, them’s the REAL choices folks.

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  11. FNU MNU LNU says:

    Unfortunately, the left doesn’t really care about the costs. They only care about pushing their agenda. And the masses can’t see the hypocrisy in their leaders making all that $ at their expense.

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  12. FNU MNU LNU says:

    What a bigot! Let me guess, you are also against inter-species marriage as well? I’m calling the New York Times.

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  13. SFC Ton says:

    The left does care about the debt. And cares very deeply about the debt. The national debt is one of the main concerns for the left

    You see the various debt bombs are some of the lefts most effective weapons the in destroying the foundations of national sovereignty.

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  14. BuenaVista says:

    Further to Ton’s citation, which I agree with:

    I now have both feet planted in the deep country (the nearest interstate highway is 100 miles away), after 30 years with both in NY and WashDC and Tokyo and Moscow, etc., or one foot here and one foot somewhere else. This is a cash grains, turkey and hog farming kind of place, so it’s more prosperous than the Cracked article describes — on the surface.

    But here there are really two economies: the one for people who own a decent sized farm or small manufacturer; and the one that employs the people who work for the first category.

    For example, I’m retired and I found myself at loose ends, so I now work for a buddy on his corn-and-beans operation. Market rate to operate a $350,000 tractor and cultivar? $15/hour. Market rate to run a 60,000 lb, 500 hp grain truck? $12/hour. There are people trying to get by on these wages.

    But I offer one observation that the Cracked piece doesn’t note, because they are focused on the rural underclass finding its voice in Trump: the middle class and landed class here will also vote for Trump. Perhaps for different reasons, and probably with a more nuanced view of Clinton’s scabrous corruption, but they’ll vote 80% at least for Trump. The only people who will vote for Clinton are the immigrants in the packing plants, the usual female cohort working for government, schools and hospitals, and their parasitic equivalents.

    I have yet to see a single Clinton yard sign, in town or in the country.

    It’s alarming to consider that these Clinton supporters may be in the ascendancy, and may consider themselves to be the inevitable new ruling class. Certainly anyone in the Clinton cohort in the cities and national government media consider it their vested privilege to change the country and impose a new system of government on everybody.

    In the rural midwest at the end of the 19th century the driving impulse behind northern populism was the desire for local control of economic resources. Now the impulse will be for local control of the law, and the culture. This is what is so ominous about Clinton’s “irredeemable deplorables” remark. She really considers anyone like me to be disqualified for citizenship — at best a dependent ward of the State, at worst an incendiary thought-criminal to be surveilled, controlled, and condemned.

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  15. mgtowhorseman says:

    Self respect is

    Being able to do something useful, to build, to fix, to create. To say “I made that, I got it working.”

    Using your back and your arms and your legs to accomplish something. Not lifting little pieces of iron in a room for forthy minutes. “I walked the Appalachian (5 miles but it was the Appalachain)”

    Helping when it really needs to be done and knowing you are able to next time. “Yeah we dug that guy out of the ditch. Good thing I heard him slide off in this blizzard.”

    Doing what is right for yourself. Not to a set of laws or a deity. “Hey buddy, you dropped your wallet six blocks back, here ya go. cheers.”

    Answering to yourself only. Not to please or impress or spite or avoid anyone or any group. “Yeah I sometimes ride a donkey named Earl. So, it gives him purpose. I also fence, write children’s books, thru hiked the Pacific Crest Now, and likely the only caucasian libertarian taoist MGTOW Canadian you are going to meet. Now go away little person.”

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  16. SFC Ton says:

    I know locally the middle class, business owners and landed class will vote for Trump. In part simply because they despite the Democrats for various reason, culture war not the least of those, in part because they think it’s a better business move ( I don’t know any truck owners who are voting for Clinton, even the non Whites owners) but in no small part business owners, middle class and the landed class know the underclass has been royal fucked over by all parties.

    Locally, the taco benders aren’t voting for clinton. Many are military, most are Cubans and Porto Ricans who won’t be affected, some want the door shut behind them to preserve what they have… even the smarter taco benders don’t want more immigration

    Personally I think Hispanics will be no impact no smoke, because they tend to vote in very low numbers. It will be big city yankees and White women who put Clinton into office, if she wins.

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  17. mgtowhorseman says:

    Respect is given when the answers to the following are obvious.

    What have you done above the average person with the unique gifts your birth gave you.

    Would you put the true needs, not wants, of the group over your own if needed.

    Can I put myself under your protection rather than protecting myself.

    Is it not your problem. Will you act anyway.

    I oppose you, is this a problem.

    After you are gone from this world, will I remember you.

    Will I left a glass with strangers in your name.

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  18. Yoda says:

    Corruption: When FBI Director James Comey dismissed the case against Hillary Clinton he said it was because no reasonable attorney would take the case. Now we learn that there were plenty who would have done so.

    http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/clinton-emails-fbi-director-comey-lied-and-the-scandal-died/

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  19. Yoda says:

    Weird. Hillary had an off the record dinner w/ a bunch of journalists prior to her campaign launch to “frame the HRC message”

    http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/2016/10/your-moral-and-380.html

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  20. Yoda says:

    The big fact of the week, however, has to do with these words: They don’t like us. The Democrats, progressives and left-liberals who have been embarrassed by the latest WikiLeaks dump really hate conservatives, or nonleftists. They don’t like half the people of the country they seek to control! They look at that half with disdain and disrespect. Their disdain is not new—“bitter clingers,” “basket of deplorables.” But here it’s so unashamed and eager to express itself.

    A stupid man from a leftist think tank claimed the most “powerful elements” in the conservative movement are Catholic. “They must be attracted to the systematic thought and severely backwards gender relations,” he wrote. Mrs. Clinton’s press aide Jennifer Palmieri responded: “I imagine they think it is the most socially acceptable politically conservative religion. Their rich friends wouldn’t understand if they become evangelicals.”

    When I read that I imagined a conversation with my grandmother, an immigrant who was a bathroom attendant at the Abraham & Straus department store in Brooklyn. Me: “Grandma, being Catholic is now a step up. It means you’re an aristocrat! A stupid one, but still.” Grandma, blinking: “America truly is a country of miracles.”

    Here’s what you see in the emails: the writers are the worst kind of snobs, snobs with nothing to recommend them. In their expression and thoughts they are common, banal, dumb, uninformed, parochial.

    I don’t know about you but when people look down on me I want them to be distinguished or outstanding in some way—towering minds, people of exquisite sensibility or learning. Not these grubbly poseurs, these people who’ve never had a thought but only a sensation: Christians are backward, I saw it in a movie!

    It’s the big fact of American life now, isn’t it? That we are patronized by our inferiors.

    http://www.wsj.com/articles/americas-decadent-leadership-class-1476400544

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  21. SFC Ton says:

    Self respect comes from over coming hardships. The potential for lose due to such hardships, the better it is for the soul…. though the more it sucks at the time

    People respect business men because they risk money and social standing. People respect MMA fighters because they risk life, limb and long term health.

    Nothing is at stake with video games, unless you are gambling large sums of money on one. Otherwise no risk to life, limb or long term health, or wealth/ social status.

    ———————–

    Intresting some one who says “Doing what is right for yourself.” and “Answering to yourself only. ” also slams people for lifting little peices of iron

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  22. mgtowhorseman says:

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/americas-hidden-crisis-men-not-at-work/article32373808/

    Wente gets it again. Except the Hilliary win being a good thing.

    So economists predict 1 in 4 to 1 in 3 men simply wont be looking for work within a generation (mid century 34 years).

    Wente recognizes it is a cultural shift needed not the jobs/economist rant. In a conservative paper no less.

    But her last question. ” good luck to Ms. Clinton. The flight of working men could be her biggest socioeconomic challenge. An economic revival might help. A spiritual revival might help, too. If only we had a clue how to do that.”

    How is anyone let alone a rich elite feminist democrat going to answer that? They’re not.

    It will decline until something triggers a “Oh my god we need men moment.”

    It wont be a social unrest/military thing like most think.

    Instead a structural failure of some kind. Like a massive snowstorm in 5 years and their aren’t enough men working to run the plows or fix the hydro. Or a collapse of the Golden Gate or Brooklyn bridges from old age and their arent the welders to fix it for months crippling a city.
    Or the mandatory retirement of ATCs at 50 and no one replaces them cutting air travel by 50%.
    Or a major forest fire in CA and no firemen…yeah fireMEN to muster out.

    Hell LA needs more wormers in the next 5 years than in my city. Imagine a lack of cops, sewermen, hydro workers in LA.

    MGTOW works for employers even better than women. Want me to leave my cushy ac office cause I have a strong back….INCENT ME.

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  23. mgtowhorseman says:

    Ton

    I meant the weekend warriors whose only physical activity is going to a gym with a juice bar then going home to ghe couch.

    Body builder atheletes I have great respect for.
    Office drones going to the gym at lunch…not so much.

    Overcome pain of lifting. Okay.
    But lets now add lifting the same weight in a snowstorm fixing a hydro line or herding cattle or framing a construction site or any other real job.

    A developed forearm easy to get.

    Now look at his hands. Soft and supple from typing? Or that greyish tone of dirt and muck you only get from months of work. Calusses and those pads of thick skin from using a tool?

    They eyes? crows feet from squinting in the sun all day? Permanent windburn from a life outside? The constant surveillence and marking of exit points that denotes one who has seen combat.

    Its been 20 years since Yugo but my wife still laughs that I cant walk thru a door without clearing both sides instinctively.

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  24. Yoda says:

    If a man votes for Hillary he does,
    No self-respect he does have

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  25. Yoda says:

    Pay to play this is

    C linton Foundation officials debated whether or not to schedule a phone call between former President Bill Clinton and Saudi/Ethiopian billionaire Mohammed Al Amoudi, taking into consideration how much money Al Amoudi had donated to the foundation, according to emails published by WikiLeaks.

    http://heatst.com/politics/wikileaks-clinton-foundation/

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  26. Yoda says:

    But want dominance women do

    Australian students starting in kindergarten will be required to study “male privilege” and how “masculinity” encourages “control and dominance” over women, as part of a new school course aimed at combating family violence.

    http://heatst.com/world/australia-schools-spending-16m-for-compulsory-course-on-how-male-privilege-causes-violence/

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  27. Ame says:

    SFC Ton says:
    15 October, 2016 at 5:47 pm
    “Self respect comes from over coming hardships. The potential for lose due to such hardships, the better it is for the soul…. though the more it sucks at the time”

    – – –

    we really cheat our kids when we don’t allow them to fail and face hardships and figure them out. i think that men, in general, don’t have a problem allowing children to fail and face their consequences, both good and bad … but women do cause we’re so emotionally involved and can’t separate out our emotions. and with all these kids growing up in single parent homes, predominantly with single parent mothers, and being drowned in women all around them, there are no men left to help the children through such things.

    i wouldn’t wish what my girls have gone through on anyone … and taking the time, years actually, to force them to deal with all their ‘stuff’ has been hard on this Mamma … but i can see the benefit of it now. they understand things, know things … and know themselves in ways few of their peers can even begin to comprehend.

    rather than doing everything we can to protect our children from hardships … we need to teach them how to face them, endure them, and come out on the other side … and evaluate them. men are much better at teaching this than women.

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  28. SFC Ton says:

    Ame, the emotional aspect of women is a legit point but there is more to it then that,

    This is one of those things driven by women being herd creatures and men being pack animals with different biological roles to fulfill

    Women have value to the clan because wombs are the choke point of an expanding tribe

    Men only have value to clan if they are useful. If a little boy isn’t toughened up he is of little to no value.

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  29. Ame says:

    “Men only have value to clan if they are useful. If a little boy isn’t toughened up he is of little to no value.”

    and that’s something only men can do and do well.

    there were many times when i would confer with the girls’ dad before i confronted them on something … or where i already knew where he stood. i would begin with, “I’ve already talked to your Dad …” … or, “Ask your Dad if you want to, but I know that he will tell you …” both my girls will tell you that when they heard that, they knew they were doomed. because Dad holds a weight that Mom cannot. it’s a lie of seizmik proportions that we’ve allowed to infiltrate culture – that kids don’t need dads … that moms can do it all. the consequences are laid splat all around us … and yet the liars still continue to lie and manipulate the truth 😦

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  30. FNU MNU LNU says:

    Pretty important. But not as important as NOT being disrespected, which is what feminists do.

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  31. FNU MNU LNU says:

    All too true, and very sad…

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  32. FNU MNU LNU says:

    Unfortunately, many younger people are more in awe of someone with a high score on the latest video game, than someone who has started their own successful business.

    Their idea of an alpha, is someone with really fast thumbs…

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  33. FNU MNU LNU says:

    I like your last comment. Unfortunately most youngins will have no idea what you are talking about. They’ll google it, and try to figure out why a car door need to be cleaned every time you open it. lol

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  34. Leiff says:

    Seems like horseman’s solution is for all men to work as mechanics, or ranchers, or in construction. I did not know there were millions of open jobs in these fields which pay enough to raise a family on and where the wages weren’t under constant assault by the hordes of Mexican and Central American illegals in this country. Pretty naive viewpoint if you want to face facts.

    Yep, I “type” for a living and make near six figures doing it. Previously I worked in the ED, got punched and bled on for less than half what I make now and working shitty hours. This job lets me lift 3x a week, run 3x a week, coach grade school football and basketball. I also do my own yard work, drywall, painting, plumbing, and maintain my own vehicles.

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  35. SFC Ton says:

    If that is true I have never meet such a youngster and I meet a right fair number of them

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  36. FNU MNU LNU says:

    I have, and it’s pretty sad. Here in FredNeck they have basically a whole community of them. They meet at either the hobby store or comic book store or each other’s houses. But mostly just online.

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