Men’s Choices (Or Lack Thereof)


In the last post, we saw what modern women have with respect to choices.  Now it is time to look at men.  So without further ado,

I. Choose a non-virgin for marriage.  Of course in the days of the Evil Patriarchy, virginity was not a guarantee, but these days it is pretty much given that a man can not find such a woman to marry.  Thus men must choose to take on all of the baggage that this implies: possible alpha-widowhood, greater propensity to cheat, higher likelihood of divorce, etc.  Furthermore, there is the impact of all of this on his future children.

II. Early marriage.  A man’s hormones rage in their late teens and twenties.  Marriage was a system sanctioned way to satiate it.  Not any more (with a few exceptions).

III. Work hard to attract a good wife. This used to be an option open to men in their twenties.  It is still kind of available to men in their thirties.   Still the question is open about the “good” part with respect to a prospective wife.  What often happens is that men in their twenties (or even teens) get discouraged, and at last partially give up trying to improve their lot (e.g assets, jobs, skills).  This is partly where the “where are the good men” lament comes from.

IV. Pump ‘n Dump.  Here is a somewhat new choice.  This type of thing went on during the Evil Patriarchy, but not as much and not as openly.  Of course, if you can pull this off, then maybe you feel that your situation is great.  However, only a small percentage of men can do this, and for those that do, it will not be satisfactory in the long run.

V. MGTOW.  Men Going Their Own Way.  This is men typically not engaging with women all that much, making his own money, doing his own thing.  During the times of the Evil Patriarchy, this was frowned upon.  However, these days, so many men have effectively had this forced upon them that it has become mainstream (of course the media would never acknowledge this).

Please feel free to add your own additional choices / non-choices.

 

P.S. NAWALT of course applies

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87 comments on “Men’s Choices (Or Lack Thereof)
  1. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Farm Boy,
    I can’t believe that I am the first to post while this has been up for nearly two hours.
    I have to concur that men have few options and they range from bad to terrible. It is hard to believe that, collectively, women want this for a sexual marketplace. My Dad told me that the essence of a good deal is one in which both parties believe it is fair. Men are being treated as if we are over the barrel.

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  2. Yoda says:

    Perhaps soon choose a sexbot men will

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  3. Ok you guys, I am getting kinda bummed out by the futility of it all. I must believe in the very slim chance this will all work out, somehow, against all odds. For me. For my kids. For humankind. As slim to none chances all that seems. We were born in this time for a reason…. If nothing else to question everything…. And try to make it better

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  4. Yoda says:

    Suggestions you have?

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  5. Yoda says:

    Perhaps in few cases work out it can.
    Such cases treasured they should be

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  6. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Sorry to be Debbie Downers, Bloom. I just don’t see a way out of this. If there were more like you, that would help but, there are too many like your fifty five year old acquaintance.

    Yoda,
    I do not think that sexbots are the answer but, they should scare the stuffing out of women who don’t want men to look ihn her nightstand.

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  7. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    On another blog, I have been trading comments with a feminist that believes that assortive mating still is happening.

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  8. Yoda says:

    What blog that would be?

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  9. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    I am not there as fuzziewuzziebear. I can tell you that I am not convincing her. It brings up the old adage about leading a horse to water and nhot being able to make him drink. To add to that, they are very dependent on snark and insults.

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  10. Ame says:

    Bloom – me, too. it’s hard being a Mamma, raising daughters, with this knowledge, in this environment. if i didn’t believe in God . . .

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  11. Yoda says:

    Mold daughters that are NAWALT one should.
    Help them find a good fella one might.
    Sunshine thought of this extensively she has.
    Perhaps comment she could

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  12. SFC Ton says:

    Why the focus on marriage? Marriage is the worst option for men in the here and nla

    A man can have a series of ltrs, one really long ltr, an ltr with side plates, move overseas, up his SMP value….

    Way defeatist and more options are out there marriage. Which should not be done under any circumstances

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  13. Spawny Get says:

    Chelsea’s new book

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  14. Yoda says:

    The Hillary Clinton campaign has canceled joint appearances with former primary opponent Bernie Sanders after he admitted that “of course” it bothered him that Clinton seemed to be talking down to his supporters in hacked audio from a fundraiser.

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/clinton-cancels-joint-events-with-sanders/article/2603412

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  15. Yoda says:

    Important news this is,

    ” Kim Kardashian West was held up at gunpoint inside her Paris hotel room this evening, by two armed masked men dressed as police officers,” a spokesperson for the star said in a statement. “She is badly shaken but physically unharmed.”

    http://heatst.com/entertainment/kim-kardashian-west-badly-shaken-after-being-robbed-at-gunpoint-in-paris-hotel/

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  16. Yoda says:

    Brexit is already a body blow to EU bigwig Jean-Claude Juncker’s political career, but now it may be about to hit him where it really hurts – in the drinks cabinet.

    The EU Commission President – notoriously fond of a tipple – has been put on notice that his institution’s valuable hoard of fine wines and liquor could be raided by the UK’s Brexit negotiSting team

    http://heatst.com/world/junckers-terror-uk-brexit-squad-coming-for-eu-cognac-stash/

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  17. mgtowhorseman says:

    Agree with Ton. Series of MTRs (medium term) no cohabitation. Enjoy it for as long as it lasts then bail.

    Do you have one car for life. Sports model for a while. Maybe a hillbilly truck. We all get stuck with a lemon the scrap it at first need for overhaul. Just dont settle for a beige van for too long.

    Bloom, Ames. Raise them to be NAWALTS. Then they will have the pick and because they know real value will get the actual strong family man women really want.

    But gernerally it is going to get easier for men. No need to over work, no need to commit, no need to impress. So you can only catch a 5. So? Its only for a week at a time. Then go back to your part time job, sports and buddies til next quarter when tbe mood strikes again.

    Its the next generation of women that are screwed (well not screwed). You think where are the men gone is bad at thirty. wait til it strikes at oh…twelve.

    And roaming hordes of 50 year old divorcees looking at the next 25, yes 2 5, years of life. alone. all alone. not even tbe kids you abandoned. ahabahahahahahaha.

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  18. mgtowhorseman says:

    Divorce didnt go mainstream til say 1980. Say average divorcee at 28. That makes the oldest52.
    We are just seeing the front of the wave of divorcees who truly age out. By 55 you are done. period. no way you snag anything ever again between looks, desperation and bitterness. Sure some will have locked down number 2.

    but the cohort of aged out divorcees. We have never seen it. its a new thing. And the media hasnt seen it yet.
    But they will. oh they will….

    What wailing and shaming to come…..
    And these are the moms whose sons are now the 25-30 year old raised by single moms the current fems depend on. Who lived the reason for mgtow.

    Oh the party is just gettin started. pull up a chair and pass the pretzels. This gonna be funny as hell.

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  19. mgtowhorseman says:

    Apologies to the youngins under 30. Don’t mean to take glee in your pain. As one on the other side and has shed the blinders it really is beyond ironic.

    I mean really. How do you not laugh at Big Red and Trigglypuff whining about being alone.

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  20. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Horseman,
    Trigglypuff is defihnitely a lesbian. I saw her OkCupid profile that someine took public. And, I have strong suspicions about Big Red. I saw a video of her in support of gay pride. These two are out of the heterosexual marketplace.

    Something is going on and we can only guess at feminism’s agenda. A good guess is that it has goals that are not good for either heterosexual men or women.

    Farm Boy,
    That exchange that I had last night with a feminist was an eye opener. I would like to submit a post.

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  21. Yoda says:

    Bear write post he should

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  22. Yoda says:

    Why the focus on marriage?

    Because marriage a big thing during the Evil Patriarchy it was.
    Show how times changed the OP did

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  23. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Yoda,
    Would you tell Farm Boy that I submitted a draft titled “Trading Comments With a Rude Feminist”?

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  24. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    It is hard to feel sorry for Kim Kardashian but, getting robbed by men dressed as cops in her own hotel room? Somebody from the hotel gave information to the armed robbers. This is bad. That is one hotel that no one will want to stay in.

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  25. FNU MNU LNU says:

    That’s not true. A lot of people will pay primo cash to spend a night in the room that Kim got robbed in!

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  26. thedeti says:

    Ton and MGTOWHorseman are correct.

    If men can pull it off — serial monogamy. Stay with one woman until it ends, one way or another. Takes some doing, but it can be done, I think.

    Monogamish relationships. One Primary LTR, then sidepieces if you want, with full disclosure. Then she will want sidepieces of her own. YOu then have to say “no, can’t do that” or “OK”. If you say “OK”, know the relationship is on borrowed time because it’s only a matter of time until she branch swings.

    The problem is kids. If you want kids, OK, but they will complicate serial monogamy a lot.

    Most women want kids. Most women will also want legal marriage. Most women will want some kind of assurances that you’ll stick around, and legal marriage is the way to do that because it binds a man legally and subjects him to all kinds of laws that govern his relationship. Importantly, women have a need for security that men just don’t have. That’s why women continually seek out men who are willing to marry them. Not just LTR, not just pLTR. Marriage. Legally binding marriage.

    Most men will still do it. The thirst is real. More and more men are going to have to say “no”. Unattractive men will get nothing because as I have been saying, most men are not attractive enough to get and keep the interest of a woman for decades.

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  27. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Another attempt at Tarn bait. Failing that, which is likely, it may be fun for a history buff. The former “Gubinator” of California would be reminded of his time in the Army, not the US Army.

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  28. FNU MNU LNU says:

    I agree. The problem I see is the increasing push for “palimony” for non-married couples. And add the “common law marriage” statutes that still exist in some states, men have fewer options for pulling the rip cord and getting out unscathed.

    And I have noticed that there is a fairly substantial subset of women who want a LTR with the trappings of marriage, without the actual document. This way they can easily bail if they want.

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  29. FNU MNU LNU says:

    And it may be TMI, but in my case I really have no desire to ever get married again. BUT if there were someone I would want a real LTR with (G67 😪) I would definitely want to have the ability for her to collect my retirement’s survivor benefits, health insurance, and ability to inherit whatever I have left without too much of a hassle. Unfortunately with the laws we currently have, most of those can only go to a legal spouse.

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  30. SFC Ton says:

    Men should hold what women want in little regard

    Her; I want to get married
    Him: good luck with that
    Or
    Him; soon as your diligent worknow to reform the family Court system changes thing for the betterment of men

    One of the best ways to pull women is to not give a fuck what they want

    Along those lines, why do bitches want formal photos with you in themy? Had to shut that shit down to day, then correct their pouty bullshit afterward

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  31. Ame says:

    “Along those lines, why do bitches want formal photos with you in themy? Had to shut that shit down to day, then correct their pouty bullshit afterward”

    roflol!!!

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  32. SFC Ton says:

    Glad someone finds it humorous

    My hand aND wrist still hurts but they’ll remember to curtsy for as long as it hurts to sit

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  33. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    I remember when Sunshine Mary put up a bunch of statistics about abortion in Russia during the bad old days of communism. Most of the abrtions were in place of contraception. I don’t know what is going on in Poland, oother than it may be the most Catholic nation on Earth and, as the article stated, 74% of the people don’t want to se the present law changed.

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  34. Ame says:

    Ton – just picturing your girls trying to convince you to have a professional photographer take family photos with you included is … hilarious.

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  35. Ame says:

    ***weeping***

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  36. Farm Boy says:

    Ton should have a picture taken with him simultaneously lifting all of them above his head.

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  37. Farm Boy says:

    A robot has been unveiled by Japanese carmaker Toyota that could provide companionship for lonely people.

    The Kirobo Mini may even have a role as a baby substitute in Japan, where falling birth rates have left many women childless.

    The doe-eyed robot is just four inches tall, speaks in a high-pitched baby voice, and will go on sale in Japan for £300.

    http://news.sky.com/story/toyota-hopes-its-mini-robot-will-be-a-friend-to-lonely-people-10603978

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  38. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Farm Boy,
    I may be remembering this wrong but, what got the ball rolling in Japan for robots was the crying need for somebody besides female nurses to get imkmobile patients in and out of bed. i don’t think they have sloved that one yet.

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  39. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Yoda,
    Once again, the Tarn bait failed.
    Feminist Cringe Copilations are hard to watch. I need antidote.

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  40. molly says:

    Do for him things he does not usually do himself like make lamingtons or cup cakes or make his bed with crisp sheets from the sunshine. *Really do* like men and boys!
    Not hard eh
    ❤ ❤ ❤

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  41. SFC Ton says:

    No darling Molls it is not, yet such experiences are rarer then hens teeth

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  42. Yoda says:

    Clown update

    “We got a report,” said college spokesman Jim Chiavelli. “Police erred on the side of caution and evacuated a dorm, but as yet we have found nothing to substantiate the report.”

    Last night many of the account’s posts were 
focused on New England, with tweets claiming clown sightings in New Hampshire, Rhode Island, Maine and in a number of towns across Massachusetts

    http://www.bostonherald.com/news/local_coverage/2016/10/armed_clown_report_forces_merrimack_college_dorm_evacuation

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  43. Yoda says:


    You would think students instructed to report to the Gender-Based Misconduct Office had committed serious transgressions. Its name conjures images of creepy guys harassing and violating women.

    Columbia University graduate Benjamin Sweetwood claims he did nothing of the sort. He got in trouble for doing something completely inoffensive: he referred to himself as handsome in a class.

    http://reason.com/blog/2016/10/03/columbia-student-i-was-reported-to-gende

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  44. Yoda says:

    Silliness at Duke University

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  45. Farm Boy says:

    Iowa State University is putting its engineering students through lectures on the dangers of microaggressions—and as least one parent isn’t happy about what she sees as an attempt at “brainwashing.”

    http://heatst.com/world/iowa-state-university-engineering-students-now-have-to-sit-through-lectures-on-microaggressions/

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  46. Yoda says:

    MSNBC’s Stephanie Ruhle asked millennial women at Longwood University if they feel connected Hillary Clinton.

    The entire crowd yelled, “NO!”

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/10/wow-msnbc-host-asks-millennial-women-feel-connected-clinton-entire-crowd-yells-no-video/

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  47. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Yoda,
    It is encouraging to hear that chorus of “No” from young women. They see through Hillary’s lies.

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  48. Yoda says:

    They see through Hillary’s lies.

    But through Bernie’s not

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  49. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Molly,
    No one has ever made me lambingtons. *sniff* That is, in real life. You posted pictures of them. I would be very happy if I got a peanut butter and honey sandwich, in real life.
    Burrito, burrito, burrito.

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  50. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    As a counter to Yoda’s silliness from Duke University video, here is one from Toronto. After being able to get that many endorsements, I think that a lot of universities should close.

    By the way, Yoda’s video is much more factual.

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  51. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Ominious. Russis is having a days long civil defense drill involving over forty million people. The country’s population is 144 million.
    http://voxday.blogspot.com/2016/10/massive-russian-civil-defense-drill.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+blogspot%2Fvoxpopoli+%28Vox+Popoli%29

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  52. Oh my gosh, why did I read the vox story? Now I need to go hide in the closet and suck my thumb.

    All these BIG problems. I just want my girls and I to live and enjoy a simple life.

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  53. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    RPG,
    It is that they are taking things seriously. We have some iresponsible people in the State
    Department. The ball started rolling on that when Hillary was Secretary.

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  54. Imagine though if the US did something similar? If they could even get people to participate, that is. I mean what would be an event large enough to require HALF of the population to mobilize at once? Not a natural disaster anyway… Back to hiding and sucking my thumb…

    So what can be done to stop such a global catastrophe? Whatever it is… Seems like a top priority…

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  55. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    I think if the US tried something similar, people would be going ape and forty million people is a lot going ape.
    As to your question, this is a god reason for preferring to see Donald Trump in the White House. When you get down to it, I think he is more subject to reason.

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  56. Fingers crossed Bear. We need someone to turn this ship before it crashes on the rocks. I don’t want to even consider the alternative…

    I have been thinking for years now what we need is one of this great presidents, the kind who inspires folks to rise above and believe, to pull together, and who will be remembered for generations for saving the day.

    That’s what we need. I hope others can see that. Based on the rally attendance, it seems many do. Let’s hope it’s a landslide… No shenanigans…

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  57. This is a 30 plus year storm of mediocrity, ambivalance, special interest influence, and petty partisan games coming to a head. All wrapped up in what looked like a kinder, gentler package.

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  58. No wonder I have chronic insomnia! Everybody should if they are paying any attention…

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  59. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Before it is all over, Hillary will pull every dirty trick her little cabal can think of. It will be ugly. As for leadership, this country has been fortunate. We cqan’t always expect to be that fortunate. Most countries have never had anyone like George Wahington.

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  60. Yoda says:

    A new post there is

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  61. Farm Boy says:

    Sunshine never did come by, did she?

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  62. Hopefully I don’t have insomnia from now until Nov.9, but on the other hand I suppose that’s better than being stick w it for the next four years +.

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  63. Ame says:

    Bloom – thanks for the heads-up; i will avoid that article. i have to not read a lot of stuff or it makes me so anxious i’m physically ill, can’t sleep, nuts. this is where i’m happy to just do woman-stuff and leave all this mess to the men.

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  64. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Farm Boy,
    In one of her recent posts, Sunshine said that she does not have real internet where she lives and keeps her blog going with her phone. I miss her too.

    Bloom,
    I hope that you sleep weel. You have the Bloomettes depending on you.
    I miss having somebody that I care about sleeping next to me. That is a deeper level of intimacy and benefit without drawbacks. i don’t know if it works that way for you.

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  65. True Ame. I guess since we can vote we should help in that way, and then otherwise trust the men to sort it out? War terrifies me. I have prayed my whole life never to experience it in person. I hope I never do, or my girls either.

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  66. @ Fuzzie, yes I find that very comforting as well. It’s good to have two in a boat. I think!

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  67. The Bloomettes far too often crowd in with me, then take over! I don’t know how two little people can take up a whole king sized bed but they do. I often end up getting up and going to sleep in one of their rooms, just to get some space! Lol. I don’t believe in the family bed thing but somehow it still keeps happening… (I know, get a backbone Bloom!)

    Ah sleep, I kinda remember that, once…

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  68. Ame says:

    Bloom – those really are precious moments (nights) … enjoy them as much as possible b/c they will end 😦

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  69. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Bloom,
    I can see that. It was normal through most of hisstory for families to sleep together. We are social animals.

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  70. mgtowhorseman says:

    Bloom

    Sorry to say neither is a new Kennedy or FDR.

    e.g. climate change. if they were serious they would underwrite Musks giga factory, build two more and start a recharging infrastructure like building the interstate.

    Economy pull a Hoover and give trades training and jobs to millions to both rebuild the interstate and bridges etc and solve the cominv trades crisis.

    on immigration all the leaders look at a way of peaceful resettlement of people close to their homelands rather than here.

    Push back on Putin. pulling the missles out of Ukraine on a false promise and now we dont dare push back on putins exansion.

    the will is not there and even if we had a great president congress is so fractured nothing would get done.

    the biggest threat is n korea and even china cant control them.

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  71. mgtowhorseman says:

    As Cappy says take care of your own and enjoy the decline.

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  72. mgtowhorseman says:

    p.s. we are now permane tly past 400 ppm co2. so Miami will be under water within two decades.

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  73. Totally off topic but you haven’t mud wrestled till you have mud wrestled turkeys! Lol. Too bad I don’t have it on video!

    They don’t go into the coop at night like chickens. Tonight it is raining pretty good. They were all hunkered down in the pen in the rain so I had to catch them one by one and put them in the coop, all while slipping and sliding in the mud. And trying not to let them get their wings loose and pound me on the head bc they pack a wallop. Good thing they are so ugly they are cute! Lol.

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  74. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    I never had to do that but, I did have to gather the extra roosters and put them in the Bachelor Rooster Quarters. That usually went easily. There was one hen that always sayed close to a rooster that was the same breed as her.
    Would having food in their coop encourage them?

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  75. SFC Ton says:

    I am not sure there are 40 million americans who trust the government enough to participate in something like that

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  76. SFC Ton says:

    That Duke video is fucking awesome!

    I loath Duke and Durham. Makes chapel Hill look like a bastion of tradition and logic

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  77. SFC Ton says:

    Let’s hope the usa never sees another Kenedy or FDR. We haven’t recovered from the original versions

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