Herds and Packs

It is understood in the manosphere that men operate in packs and women travel in herds.  What does this mean?  What are its implications?  Let us consider.

In a pack, a group of animals operate as a coordinated team to accomplish a specific goal.  Some of the team members might utilize specialized skills in accomplishing this.  Furthermore, the team is coordinated by a leader, with a hierarchy of the leadership keeping the pack in line.  The leader is expected to make good decisions that lead the pack toward attaining their specific goals.  If it fails too much in this regard, it is replaced.

This describes how men operate.  They join companies, form their own companies, join the military, etc.  There are goals for the team to accomplish.  This scheme works well with men; being drilled into boys from an early age with teamwork and such.  If a man isn’t pulling his weight, significant peer pressure is brought to bear. There is much to like about this approach, as things get done.

Herds on the other hand are large groups of animals that seemingly wander in search of resources.  There is no leader.  Some members of the herd decide that down the next hill looks like some more grass, they head that way, and the herd follows.  Today Cow A initiates the movement, tomorrow Cow B does.  There is no real thinking or planning happening; it all just seems to happen.  The herd just mindlessly chews the resources that appear in front of their face. Furthermore, there is safety in the herd; for any threats can stymied by closing ranks.

Naturally one can see Team Woman in the above description.  The mindless direction, the safety in numbers, the closing ranks, the seemingly endless desire for resources, etc.  Many of them are noticing that the grazing area are starting to look overgrazed, but that is a topic for a later post.

Which model built civilization, which will destroy it?

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210 comments on “Herds and Packs
  1. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    I am beginning to form the conclusion that the herd doesn’t place much value on civilization.

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  2. The herd takes grass being there for granted. It just grows, right? If not the herd can move along. Or so it seems… The herd cannot plant grass, water grass, till, toil, hay, or put away for the future. It is oblivious to its own precarious survival. Just one drought away from starvation and disaster…

    Similar could be said for the herd mentality, and the assumption that civilization will just “be there and work.” Until it isn’t…

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  3. There’s not much of a “plan B” or even the realization a plan B (and C, and D) might be in order. The herd operates in real time. Perhaps if the herd did understand the many ways things could go wrong it could not cope, so the oblivion serves as some sort of denial defense mechanism?

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  4. I flip on th switch and the light works. I turn on the tap and clean water comes out. Water goes down drains and toilets and washing machines and away. I put the trash out and it disappears. I pick up the phone and police or firemen or medics come. I assume this is all a given when clearly it is not. Women don’t get that very well. That stuff doesn’t “just happen” by a long shot. And how many women even understand the supply chain involved in all that happening? Few. Not enough to make it keep happening for sure.

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  5. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    It is in their nature to take these things for granted. There is one problem. As Farm Boy has pointed ot in so many of his posts, men have little incentive and, for now, the system is propelled by social inertia.

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  6. Yoda says:

    Many more thing-a-ma-bobbers than Tarn the cows have

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  7. Yoda says:

    Bold eyes like Tarn the cows have

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  8. Yoda says:

    Though Mrs. Yoda the best eyes she does have.

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  9. Cill says:

    “Which model built civilization”
    Men did. Men introduced:

    moving pictures
    the movie industry
    the internet
    self-propelled vehicles of all kinds
    self-propelled boats and ships
    air travel
    general aneasthetics
    modern medicine

    Take one thing, electicity. Look at the things we use it for:

    cooling and heating,
    refigeration and controlled cooking
    light at the flick of a switch
    electronic computers
    recorded sound
    cell phones
    start combustion engines at the push of a button
    scanners and copying

    Team Woman, which includes a lot of male sheep as well, outnumbers the creative men.

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  10. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    It is time for a musical interlude?

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  11. Cill says:

    Although the collective noun for sheep is “mob”, the video of the baa-ing sheep would be on topic for the “herd”

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  12. Yoda says:

    Naturally one can see Team Woman in the above description.

    Not exactly a team it is,
    More like a collective it would be

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  13. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    I had almost forgotten about his one until Cill reminded me. It has to stand out for him because the human voice is a mayoral canidae for the nation’s capital.

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  14. Farm Boy says:


    So far this thread is safe for your viewing

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  15. Farm Boy says:

    Ame has not said that word yet.

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  16. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Farm Boy,
    In my cow video, they did mention udders. That is where all the dairy products come from.

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  17. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Deploying Tarn bait…

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  18. Yoda says:

    Ineffective Tarn bait it would be.

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  19. Yoda says:

    Perhaps up the ante in Tarn bait required it is

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  20. mgtowhorseman says:

    It will not always just be there. Men are dropping out of the workforce and critical mechanical skills are not being passed on to tbe next generation.

    Guess the demographically oldest profession in Canada.
    Because no one is going into it and the old timers out of a sense of pride are staying long past retirement. And it cannot be replaced by robots or computers…not fully.

    I bet its eating you up to know.
    Hungry for the answer?


    Farmer of all kinds but especially animal husbandry e.g beef and milk cows. average age 59.

    And no factory farms still need farmers and few are paid hourly or salaried by a corporation. they are all independent contractors selling to a conglommorate.

    So in another ten years when old macdonald pulls his back out permanently and sonny boy moved to the city to be a financier. mmmmm love them steaks…oh wait…..

    Then add the dearth of plumbers, carpenters, hvac installers. forget construction, just the repairmen to keep what you got running…..

    But there is an app for that written my a metrosexual right?

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  21. Ame says:

    i’ll climb the next hill to watch the male pack … who’s comin with me 😉

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  22. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    For Ame,

    My Tarn bait has proven to be a complete flop. I hoped it would be effective. As Wrner vonBraun would say, “Back to ze drawing board.”

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  23. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    News to cheer up Glorius Patriarch over breakfast.
    Isn’t this exactly the opposite outcome of what the Remainers predicted?

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  24. Boobs are probably all this s#it is both precariously perched and doomed upon… But their appeal should not be taken for granted… Boobs do not solve all… Despite their immediate appeal, apparently… Boobs…. Yay boobies!!!

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  25. Sorry Yoda for bringing up boobs… It’s entirely unrelated to previous boob discussions, for the record…

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  26. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    We were trying to stay off that subject. I failed. I mentioned udders upthread related to a cow video posted.

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  27. Ame says:

    Sumo – in the bible, God continuously compares people to sheep 🙂

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  28. Ame says:

    cause … just cause 😉


  29. Sumo says:

    The Mighty Sumo don’t know shit about The Bible.

    The Mighty Sumo respects a person’s rights to follow religious tenets, but he doesn’t share them.

    As far as The Mighty Sumo is concerned, do whatever your conscience tells you to do – If that comes from God, then more power to you. If it comes from some place else, same same, no diff, me love you long time.

    The Mighty Sumo operates mostly from one, uncompromising principle – Everything is funny, as long as it’s happening to somebody else.

    Take that as you will.

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  30. Tarnished says:

    Tarn bait will be largely ineffective today, because they are moving out of Seamus’ place this weekend. I’ll be driving a truck and hauling furniture/boxes. I appreciate how safe the thread is, though. 😉

    That being said, is it necessarily bad that the majority of women + some men are Herders? Would it be preferable if the Packs were compromised of more than just men + some women?

    If our entire species was of the Pack mentality, would we be as numerous as we are? I don’t think so.

    There have always been and always will be the men and women who simply plod along through life expecting others to keep it going.
    Likewise, there have always been and always will be men and women who look at the world around them and find ways to advance it.

    Such is the way of things.

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  31. Ame says:

    “The Mighty Sumo operates mostly from one, uncompromising principle – Everything is funny, as long as it’s happening to somebody else.”


    “me love you long time.”



  32. SFC Ton says:

    Fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom

    Rule #2 is don’t fuck with The Ton

    Those are enough to ensure some semblance of surrival

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  33. Tarnished says:

    I flip on th switch and the light works. I turn on the tap and clean water comes out. Water goes down drains and toilets and washing machines and away. I put the trash out and it disappears. I pick up the phone and police or firemen or medics come. I assume this is all a given when clearly it is not. Women don’t get that very well. That stuff doesn’t “just happen” by a long shot. And how many women even understand the supply chain involved in all that happening? Few. Not enough to make it keep happening for sure.

    In my middle school, every 6th grader was given the opportunity to go on a 3 week long summertime field trip to what can only be described as a “farm lost in time”. I’m a sucker for new experiences, so I convinced my parents to sign the permission slip.

    While there, we had no electricity, running water, toilets other than an outhouse, etc. It was truly “old time” living. We did have a water pump, though it was a half mile away from the bunkhouse. During our 3 weeks there, the other kids and I learned how to care for cows, chickens, sheep, and the one old horse. They taught us how to make a fire and cook over it. We obviously didn’t have time to grow vegetables for our meals, but we did start gardening for the next group, and reaped the labors of the group before ours. We made candles to use at night, helped cook/prepare the food every dinner, kept the bunkhouse clean, pumped and carried water to the kitchens/animal troughs/bathing tubs, and even got to do some blacksmithing and carpentry (with supervision, of course).

    It was physically tiring for all of us, but also really fun and I have many wonderful memories of this trip. Perhaps every school should offer something like this, as it would give a great perspective on what life would be like without many modern conveniences. I know a LOT of adults who could benefit from this education too. And they wouldn’t even be able to make the excuse that such a trip was “too difficult”…Unless they are comfortable admitting that 11 and 12 year olds are tougher, lol.

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  34. Ame says:

    Tarn – that’s a better education than anyone could learn in any classroom.

    after the standardized tests were over, and teachers could actually teach … it was 7th or 8th grade, and they had the kids choose a profession, research the average salary … and then build a life around that. they had to determine gross and net income, rent, car/transportation, utilities, food, recreation (if they had any money left). finally, i though, they’re teaching them something they can use. my daughter has never forgotten it. she would love to move out and live on her own … but she has goals. and she knows the cost and value of things. so she chooses to live at home with gratitude and respect that she has such an offering.

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  35. Tarnished says:

    That is great that she’s taking the time to plan and save. I became an emancipated minor and moved out at 17 for the reasons most of you know. It was difficult finishing high school/the bridge program while paying for everything myself, but it *was* doable.

    Kids shouldn’t be a product of molly coddling, but neither should they be forced to take on a crap ton of responsibility all in one go. Moderation is key.

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  36. Ame says:

    contrast that with my step son whose mother’s selfish, self-centered, “I DESERVE what I WANT!” attitude seeped in a bit too far. he could live with us for free, but he chooses to live with another family that is charging him (a measly, but a lot to him right now) $300.00 a month room and board. he finally got his first job (after dawdling for months) at a sandwich shop. he’s learning that doesn’t pay enough for rent and to save for a car and to take his girlfriend out. he told his dad he needs a second job.

    he’s too proud and stubborn to take what is offered to him. and when it comes up, he has nothing but sorry, arrogant attitude about it. his mom tried to play the, “Your dad should pay for you to do what you want,” card, “To prove he loves you.” BS. she was short-sighted enough to send that via text message which i fwded on … and then followed up with an email to everyone involved stating clearly that: Money isn’t free. Room and board *can* be if he lives with us. We will *NOT* pay his rent elsewhere nor will we buy him a car. the whining stopped. and he is avoiding me b/c he knows i’ll call him out on his BS … and since his own momma supports it and encourages it and models it, he doesn’t like when i call him on it. my girls just cringe when they hear of the things he’s pulling with her b/c they know their own momma don’t play that game.

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  37. Ame says:

    Tarn – i agree. i hate that you were in that situation, but i’m thankful you had a way out … and that you’ve not let it destroy you (which it does to so many, as you well know).

    i graduated from high school and moved out at 17 … my parents couldn’t wait to get rid of me, and i couldn’t wait to get out of there. i so did not want that to be the case with my kids … and it’s not. though they want to be on their own, they know they are loved and wanted and safe. priceless. the cycle is broken.

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  38. Tarnished says:

    I’m glad you did too.
    And that you broke the cycle for your own kids.

    The reason I had to become emancipated at 17 is because until I was *18* my father could have gotten custody of me, if he found out I was on my own. Didn’t feel like going from one type of abuse to another, so it was just easier to do the paperwork. Go figure that out…

    The only reason I had the initial funds to get out was that I already had a 20 hour a week job, plus all my hidden money from doing years of yard work, snow shoveling, and babysitting. Most of it went towards college, but I did have enough to buy an old car, so I count it as money well saved. 🙂

    Still goes to show how different Cill’s/Molly’s family is though, where they help each other emotionally, financially, and physically. Listening to their stories is like a whole other culture, like something you’d read about in a National Geographic, lol.

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  39. Sumo says:

    Kids shouldn’t be a product of molly coddling

    I would coddle Molly in a heartbea…..wait, no. Just…..no.

    I have zero desire to anger the Cillo clan. ;P

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  40. Ame says:


    “Still goes to show how different Cill’s/Molly’s family is though, where they help each other emotionally, financially, and physically. Listening to their stories is like a whole other culture, like something you’d read about in a National Geographic, lol.”

    i see it more like a fairy tale … and a dream. but i’m grateful it’s reality for some … gives me hope for my daughters 🙂

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  41. Ame says:

    Sumo – lol! don’t think any man would want to go up against Cill!

    “Kids shouldn’t be a product of molly coddling”

    my youngest got a bit mouthy with me yesterday. i told her she could hand in her technology and set up a tent out back. she said, “We don’t have a tent.” i replied, “Then you can sleep under the stars in the yard with the dog poop!” she straightened her a$$ out right quick 😉

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  42. I was just thinking, bear with me here, about how my (as in the here’s) inability to do so much in a weird way generates jobs and an economy. In exchange for electricity, water, safety, etc. little green pieces of paper are traded. Or taxed. And that somehow works. The dependence is part of the wheel going around.

    It’s the boobies. It has to be! Lol… Thank God for the boobies!!! Ted hee…

    Ok I will be quiet. Shhhh…..

    La la la ….

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  43. Yoda says:

    Moe that is?

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  44. mgtowhorseman says:

    Just how clueless the younger generation is.

    A new RN grad we just hired. Saw the pictures of my Belgians on my wall. Asked this seriously

    “Are horses vegetarian?”

    I couldn’t resist

    “Mostly. Hay and grass but they do like the occassional chipmunk or squirrel. The barn cats stay out until after feeding time.”

    “Oh. I thought so.”

    Law of the Sumo
    Its always funny if it happens to other people.
    Horseman Collollary
    Especially is they deserve the irony.

    Im a bad bad bad man.

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  45. mgtowhorseman says:

    President Tim Kaine.

    Betcha anything by 2018.
    Killary unfortunately is going to win because Americans are stupid and the womenz. Within 18 months the stress of the job is going to trigger a massive attack of her illness crippling her. Then the VP steps in.

    Anyone know anything about this guy?

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  46. mgtowhorseman says:

    It gets worse when you dig.
    StatsCan occupations with the highest percentave over 55

    Clerics of all faiths
    Bus, subway and other transit drivers.


    Toronto schools were crippled this week by a shortage of bus drivers. Who are mostly abled bodied retirees.


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  47. SFC Ton says:

    That deprobal comment is gold! She removed another section of reluctant Trump voters from his camp, mostly White females who won’t want to be associated with any of it, and rallied her base just a little more

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  48. Yoda says:

    Hillary Clinton expressed “regret” Saturday for comments in which she said “half” of Donald Trump’s supporters are “deplorables,” meaning people who are racist, sexist, homophobic or xenophobic.


    “Regret”.meaningless it is

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  49. Yoda says:

    the University of Iowa has become the first school in the state to add a bachelor’s program in social justice to its list of degrees after its Board of Regents approved the motion Thursday.



  50. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Hillary had Cookie Monster whacked? This means war!


  51. Spawny Get says:

    The background is in honour of the last night of the proms


  52. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    I wish that you weren’t moving out. I would have liked to have heard that you were saving lots of meney.

    I may be all right to talk about boobs this weekend. We can’t make Tarn feel self conscious. She will be moving.


  53. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Our Glorious Patriarch has given us a new background. Here is some appropriate music.

    I have to wonder how our leonine friend feels about the reported death of Cookie Monster? Would that he would join and brind a tiger or two along…

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  54. Cill says:

    Everything is funny, as long as it’s happening to somebody else


    A truth of booblical proportions.

    E.g. all boobs are funny and are happening to somebody else! The nipples are eyes to wrap the old laughing gear around (wink wink).

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  55. Spawny Get says:

    Don’t forget Clarkson and the new Top Gear are coming soon

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  56. Yoda says:

    Join with these fellas he should.
    Puppets like I do

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  57. molly says:

    “I would coddle Molly in a heartbea….”

    But heh I can’t coddle ya back!
    My arms are taken. ❤

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  58. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    That is Ok , Molly. We all love you! You don’t ned arms to hug back.


  59. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    This business about Cookie Monster is getting to me. Before, it was an acedemic exercise. Now, it is personal.


  60. Spawny Get says:

    Just a thought…how many more votes could a suddenly, tragically widowed Hillary get (in her undoubted grief)? Chelsea too, potentially…just a thought to give those two caution.

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  61. Spawny Get says:

    Sounds like we’re going to need a new Molly avatar, to befit her more maturer role in society


  62. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Spawny Get,
    That is a real possibility. Bill hasn’t looked well in years.

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  63. Spawny Get says:

    Here she’s on the fiddle


  64. Ame says:

    but … Yoda needs an original one, first!


  65. Spawny Get says:

    Fuzzie you’re right. Bill might just be seen as having a happy release…might not get it done. Hmm

    Chelsea needs to avoid lifting weights, walking near windows, running machines, ‘random’ muggings etc etc

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  66. Spawny Get says:

    Madame Cholet even likes bikes…


  67. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Thisw one does have improvements. It has arms! All the better to hug people with!


  68. Spawny Get says:

    Or, how about a Clanger?

    Not the dropped one, the feminine looking one in Pink.


  69. Spawny Get says:

    They did a lot of drugs in the BBC kidlets department, apparently


  70. Yoda says:

    Nothing says “woman of the people” like a political candidate who got filthy rich while serving in the Senate and State Department insulting millions of voters while surrounded by celebrities, right?


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  71. Yoda says:

    Colin Kaepernick’s protests against the national anthem may not be winning him many friends among patriotic Americans, but he has managed to guilt the San Francisco 49ers into a major donation to social justice causes.



  72. SFC Ton says:

    Love those old e-types…. but I am a huge fan of all those old British sports cars. MGA’s may be my favorite

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  73. Yoda says:

    The latest incident involving a clown allegedly occurred on Tuesday morning, when police say a man wearing a “scary clown mask” and “red curly wig” disappeared into the woods after being chased by another man wielding a machete in the Greensboro, North Carolina



  74. Yoda says:

    Wonder what happen it would if clown met Ton he did?


  75. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    I had better stay away from North Carolina. If they are hauling off guys in clown suits to jail indiscriminately, they will probaly shoot bears out of hand.


  76. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    I found this and thought to share. It is short and mainstream but, is this what divorce is leading us all to?

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  77. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Thee has been a lot to “wow” to since you last commented. What do you refer to?


  78. Yoda says:

    The Force suggests that thinking of Tarn’s thing-a-ma-jiggers she was


  79. Ame says:

    Fuzzie – i was referring to the airport parking lot employee camp video.

    sorry Yoda … you’re on your own this time 😉

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  80. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    I wish that Liz were around to comment on that one. It has to be worse in Los Angeles because of the cost of living. Divorce wrecks people’s net worth.


  81. Yoda says:

    Hillary Clinton insulted a huge swath of the American public on Friday after she for months portrayed herself as a “uniter” and bashed Trump for his “name Calling”


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  82. SFC Ton says:

    If there is anything better then one pair of boobs to play with its 2 pair of boobs to play with

    I have been in boobie heaven

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  83. Yoda says:


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  84. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    One thing for sure, men like them. Do you think it is because they never say a discouraging word (and the skies are not cludy all day)?

    Without haveing read the link, do you think that Hillary may be referring to the donor that give to all sides and claim later that they deserve favor? Or, could she be thinking about those that would never give her a dime in a million years?
    That Hillary! What is to be done with her?

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  85. Ame says:

    I wish that Liz were around to comment on that one. It has to be worse in Los Angeles because of the cost of living. Divorce wrecks people’s net worth.”

    Fuzzie – my turn to ask directly what you’re referring to/thinking.

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  86. Ame says:

    Ton – ‘Hi’ to your girls … as i assume they are the ones attached to the double-set you’re enjoying 🙂


  87. Yoda says:

    Perhaps it is a four breasted woman that he has.
    Very common in the galaxy these are.

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  88. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    It was about that video of the people living in RVs near LAX. They were all airline employees. Liz;s husband was in that indusry. I miss Liz. She was level headed and a great source.


  89. Spawny Get says:

    The parking lot people look like they’re sensibly choosing the best option available to them. Grounded people. I’ve lived in less comfortable conditions than that while working away from home. During my diy, I’ve lived in some pretty poor conditions recently (temporarily).

    Putting their divorce issues aside, I like people who make the best of things and adapt.

    Also, there are far worse conditions than that that people have lived and died in.

    You can fix the divorce industry though XPD

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  90. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Spawny, what is “XPD”?

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  91. Spawny Get says:

    Can’t remember if it’s

    ‘Terminate with eXtreme PrejuDice’


    ‘eXPeDiant demise’

    but either way works

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  92. Spawny Get says:

    Len Deighton wrote a book called XPD

    XPD is a spy novel by Len Deighton, published in 1981, and set in 1979, roughly contemporaneous with the time it was written. It concerns a plan by a group of former SS officers to seize power in West Germany, in which they intend to publish some wartime documents about a (fictional) secret meeting between Winston Churchill and Adolf Hitler in June 1940, and the efforts of a British agent, Boyd Stuart, to prevent the documents becoming public.

    The title is the code used by the Secret Intelligence Service in the novel to refer to assassinations it carries out, short for “expedient demise”.

    The novel was dramatised in eight parts by Michael Bakewell for BBC radio in 1985.

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  93. Spawny Get says:

    Read some Deighton in t’olden daze. He was alright. Didn’t write pot-boilers like le Carre

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  94. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Spawny Get,
    He wrote nonfiction too. The best book that I have ever read about WWII aviation was his, “Fighter”.

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  95. Ame says:

    it’s hard to believe it’s been fifteen years … and even harder to believe how far we’ve fallen since then.

    where were you on 9/11?


  96. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    I had the day off and I was outside. There were workmen repaving the street and they had their radio on. I thought it was a hoax like Orson Welles’s “War of the Worlds”. then, I went inside and turned on the TV. It was real.
    There are certain moments in history where everybody remembers were they were. My Dad had more of them. Pearl Harbor Day, VE Day, he got mad because no one remembers VJ Day, Jack Kennedy’s assasination.

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  97. Ame says:

    I was dropping my girls off at MDO (Mother’s Day Out) and ran into a dad I knew. I don’t remember what I said, but he replied, “At least he’s [my husband] not in New York.” I hadn’t heard yet and replied, “Oh, he’ll be there next week.” I remember him looking at me funny.

    I drove into a parking lot where I met my friend, and she came up to me and told me something about a plane crashing into one of the towers before I even got out of my vehicle. Somehow, I knew it was BIG. We went inside and saw it on the TV. When my girls and I got home later that day we went outside to play. They were 3 and 1 years old. I remember it being a beautiful, sunny, blue-sky day … and how juxtaposed that seemed to what was going on.

    My husband was in Atlanta and scheduled to fly out several hours later. His assistant was able to secure a hotel room for him and a rental car. His boss called me within the hour to let me know he was safe and that all their employees had been accounted for.

    They had so many people who needed rental cars that they grouped them together. My husband shared a rental car with 2 or 3 other people whom he dropped off on the way home. I think it was Friday before he arrived home. It was … surreal. He flew out again on Monday, but not to NY.

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  98. Sumo says:

    But heh I can’t coddle ya back!

    Molls, honey – you and I have very different definitions of the word “coddle”…..


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  99. Sumo says:

    where were you on 9/11?

    I was a mall cop when that went down. Scheduled to work the late afternoon shift, 1400-2400. Woke up late morning, turned on the news, and heard about the tragedy. Even though I’m in Canada, I just *knew* some bad stuff was going to happen at work that day. Sure enough, I showed up to work, and within 30 minutes, a bomb threat is called in. Peeps were mobilized, stuff happened, and one guess who found the “bomb”. :/ Fortunately, it was a false alarm perpetrated by a mentally unstable kid, but still….could have gone without that one in the memory banks.

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  100. Yoda says:

    Where Moe was on 9/11?


  101. Tarnished says:

    I was in senior year of high school, taking a test in AP Biology. Suddenly, the dean starts speaking through the intercoms, asking all the teachers to turn the classroom televisions to the news channels.

    For a while, we watched in stunned silence at the live feeds. Nobody said anything, until some of my classmates started crying. The boy next to me was the first to get a call on his cell phone, and then it was a mad scramble to call families. The high school buses released first, and anyone with a car was allowed to leave immediately in case we had younger siblings. I immediately drove to my siblings school, and picked them up plus three other kids from our neighborhood and got everyone to our house to wait. Everyone was really scared, but we didn’t lose anyone from the immediate neighborhood families.

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  102. Yoda says:

    CBS News reports the pool of reporters who travel with Clinton “are being penned in at 9/11 memorial, not informed of her current whereabouts


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  103. Yoda says:

    I was in senior year of high school, taking a test in AP Biology.

    Seen evidence of biology prowess we have

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  104. mgtowhorseman says:

    I was an ops manager for Fedex. My morning sort had just started. Stopped the sort and let the crew watch on station tv. then said to get deliveries off and get back cause its gonna be nuts.

    FedEx has a station in the basement of tower 2. Usually they start at the top and work their way down. 200+ people. Because of a Newark delay the freight was late and everyone was still at ground level when it first hit and evacuated. We didnt know that so everyone nationwide thought we had lost a whole station. Didnt find out until that evening.

    Next week was the most exhaughsting of my life keeping the system running in the chaos.

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  105. mgtowhorseman says:


    Hillary is dead. Leaving 911 ceremony early. No way to spin this.

    im not disrespecting our dead.
    im not sick.
    i can stay in the situation room for 3 days straight like jfk.
    im not a pussy.

    overheated. my ass.
    At least if she passed out or admitted being sick it would get sympathy.

    Tell my sgt I was too hot on parade. here do 5 miles to cool down.

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  106. mgtowhorseman says:

    From a Dr Helen article on 30 something SIWs freezing their eggs. Sums it up.

    3 days ago
    And what “Perfect Man” will come along to fertilize those stashed eggs of a used up has been in her meno pauze? Women are so delusional these days. It ain’t going to happen. Your reproduction window of opportunity has closed a long time ago. Accept it, you fucked up. No man with half a brain, let alone a “Perfect Man”, is interested in the egg warehouse of an old spinster who missed the boat.


    3 days ago
    What’s $6,000 for keeping a dream alive? Facing the harsh reality of truth is hard, easier to spend the money, dream, and put off facing reality.

    It’s kind of like a lottery ticket purchase. People spend a few bucks in order to buy the entertainment of dreaming about a brighter future. Women spend money on freezing their eggs in order to avoid dwelling on a future of coming home to their cats.

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  107. mgtowhorseman says:

    Am I a bad man for laughing at these denial spinsters?

    Yes. yes I am.


    Im allowed. At just a few years older,I raised two 20 somethings to the successful end of college. And done it inside a stable marriage.

    40 years. Plus 10k per attempt. plus a success rate of 1 in 5 plus odds of finding a man to want to fertilize and raise said eggs 1 in um…… Math Is Hard.

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  108. Farm Boy says:

    From Scott Adams,

    If you are following breaking news, Hillary Clinton abruptly left the 9-11 memorial today because she was reportedly “overheated.” Her campaign says she is fine now.

    You probably wonder if the “overheated” explanation is true – and a non-issue as reported – or an indication of a larger medical condition. I’m blogging to tell you it doesn’t matter. The result is the same.

    Here’s why.

    If humans were rational creatures, the time and place of Clinton’s “overheating” wouldn’t matter at all. But when it comes to American psychology, there is no more powerful symbol of terrorism and fear than 9-11 . When a would-be Commander-in-Chief withers – literally – in front of our most emotional reminder of an attack on the homeland, we feel unsafe. And safety is our first priority.

    Hillary Clinton just became unelectable.


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  109. The temperature was 77 degrees… Overheating?

    Maybe it was the realization that all those veterans, bikers, border patrol, police, and firefighters would not take kindly to being called deplorable? And that “regretting” doesn’t make it all ok.

    Bad choices…

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  110. Farm Boy says:

    And that “regretting” doesn’t make it all ok.

    Regretting it means just that she wished she had not said it. It does not mean that she doesn’t believe it to be true.

    Furthermore, calling somebody a racist, sexist, xenophobe just does not work like it used to. Legitimate issue discussions previously were short circuited by such. Things are changing, and lefties have no answers

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  111. Farm Boy says:

    I wonder if Hillary wishes that she was at home baking cookies…

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  112. Farm Boy says:

    The parking lot people

    Wouldn’t they be “car park people” to you?

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  113. Farm Boy says:

    Hillary was over wrought with emotion due to the 9/11 ceremony


  114. Cill says:

    Tarn’s “farm lost in time” (at 10:56 am)
    My “old” home was like that in the early stages.

    I like to take lonesome places and make them self-sufficient in all the mod cons. Like here, where I am right now, relating to you on the internet. Hi there.

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  115. Ame says:

    Sumo – that’s really spooky, unsettling. 😦


  116. Ame says:

    Tarn – “Everyone was really scared, but we didn’t lose anyone from the immediate neighborhood families.”

    wow. so grateful. you’re right in the middle of it all, too. i can’t imagine having been in school at the time. so terrifying.

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  117. Ame says:

    Horseman –
    “Because of a Newark delay the freight was late and everyone was still at ground level when it first hit and evacuated. We didnt know that so everyone nationwide thought we had lost a whole station. Didnt find out until that evening.”

    oh … that is … haunting. it’s stories like this …

    “Next week was the most exhaughsting of my life keeping the system running in the chaos.”

    i can’t even begin to imagine.

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  118. Ame says:

    and the attention is diverted from what matters. grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

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  119. Cill says:

    Spawny at 11:50 pm
    Not even my evil mind had thought of that one.

    Re Hillary: I did wonder if her big ugly overcoats are designed to hide something like splints to prop her legs up. Or a full life support system.

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  120. Cill says:

    If Hillary dies there will be an outpouring of grief and support for the Democrats


  121. Spawny Get says:

    Re Parking lot v Car park…

    I once surprised my dad by Americanising ‘release the bonnet’, if you know what that is.


  122. Spawny Get says:

    The deplorable baskets’ll be partying, so it’s not all bad. Cheers

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  123. Yoda says:

    I once surprised my dad by Americanising ‘release the bonnet’, if you know what that is.

    The thing in front of the windscreen it is

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  124. Spawny Get says:

    Cill, 11:50, don’t fell too bad, young Padawan, I have decades of cynicism on you.

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  125. Spawny Get says:

    Indeed, Yoda. Pop the hood.

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  126. Spawny Get says:

    In possibly poor taste

    Poor ol’ illary

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  127. Yoda says:

    I was in senior year of high school

    Full size at the time they were?

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  128. Spawny Get says:

    Funny that you should mention overcoats, Cill

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  129. Ame says:

    Spawny, Cill, Yoda … how do you remember 9/11 as you experienced it in your distant lands?


  130. Spawny Get says:

    Flying Hippo
    31 minutes ago
    What happened when the cow tried to jump over a barbed wire fence?

    Udder destruction

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  131. Spawny Get says:

    Flying Hippo. 32 minutes ago
    Did you hear about the cannibal who was late for dinner? He got the cold shoulder

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  132. Spawny Get says:

    I was off to the dump (refuse tip), I called into the tv shop to sniff for gadgets. On all the tv’s were the images of the second tower collapsing. I phoned my friend who was working in an office…told him to turn the tv on…any channel.

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  133. Spawny Get says:

    Man deserves a prize…genius

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  134. Spawny Get says:

    Meanwhile, over on planet Thicko

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  135. Cill says:

    Spawny at 8:41 pm “In possibly poor taste”

    In appallingly bad taste, my old mate. I’m shocked at my own shameless laughter as well.

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  136. Yoda says:

    Meditating in the meditation room when happened it did.
    Little else to do on Degoba there would be.

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  137. Yoda says:

    Tower stands not.
    Hillary stands not

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  138. Cill says:

    I was off to the dump
    That’s not the way we would put it Down Under.
    We would say “off for a dump.”


  139. Cill says:

    Did you manage to complete the dump when you heard the news mate?

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  140. Yoda says:

    So where Moe he was?
    How find out he did?
    Care about it he would?


  141. Moehau Man says:

    “Meditating in the meditation room when happened it did” means taking a dump as well. Is that all you foreign jokers do all day?

    “What do your sheilas think about that”, Mrs Moehau Man (my appalled old mum) inquired just then.

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  142. Spawny Get says:

    Nothing to see now, move along…move along now


  143. Spawny Get says:

    I was on the way back home from the tip.


  144. Yoda says:

    Means that much fiber our Sheilas feed us they do

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  145. Spawny Get says:

    Funny how illary’s health is now being reported like Brezhnev’s was by Pravda back in the day. Nostalgia triggered.

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  146. Moehau Man says:

    “If you spend all your days in the dunny, what do you do for procreation?” she wants to know.

    Liked by 1 person

  147. Yoda says:

    Jedis meditate much they do

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  148. Moehau Man says:

    “My whereabouts on 9/11 and illary’s ealth are as nothing compared with my previous question”, Mrs Moehau says.


  149. Yoda says:

    Wrong aspect Elvis focuses on he does.
    Unusual to see Hillary walk by herself it is

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  150. Yoda says:

    Elvis more chest hair than Moe he has


  151. Spawny Get says:

    So illary too dumb to remove ‘heavy sleeved coat’ in hideous low seventies heat and unbelievable humidity?

    Not exactly presidential levels of judgement. Or, you know? She’s ill, looking to pop her clogs any minute now.

    The tv anchorwoman needs to be nicknamed ‘toenails’. She’s so far up Hillary’s arse that those’re all that remain visible.

    She’s cooked. Now you have Biden step in? Maybe the commie that was scared off might be threatened into a comeback? The vp candidate looks like a total prannet, could he step up?

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  152. Moehau Man says:

    “Well! If Yoda at 10:11 pm is suggesting my son is in that picture, I would your attention to the obvious lack of a brow ridge”, Mrs Moehau Man (my scornful old mum) huffed just then.


  153. Yoda says:

    Hillary likes the color orange she does.
    Useless public service announcement that was

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  154. Spawny Get says:

    What great times we may be living in (we’ll know in a few months)

    Liked by 1 person

  155. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    All Americans, Democrat and Republican, are going to be furious at Hillary for not coming clean on her health much earlier. The die hard feminists, like that MSNBC idoit, will defend her but, That is how responsible people will react.
    Thsi situation is unprecedented. In the old days, before Presidential primaries, a quiock and dirty “convention” would be held to find a new nominee. It is anyone’s guess as to how the Democrats will procedd.
    I heard that Bernie Sanders left the Democratic Party and is an Independent again.


  156. Yoda says:

    The next president this is

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  157. Yoda says:

    Pneumonia Hillary does have


  158. Spawny Get says:

    Pneumonia? Pull the other one. She was earlier video hugging a little girl and standing in a crowd. While infectious? Poor judgement…Or lie?

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  159. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Joe Biden fro President? The man who gave us VAWA? I hope not.
    Hillary. Pneumonia. BULLSHIT!
    That is not directed at you, Yoda.
    Furious the level of contempt for intelligence it makes me.


  160. SFC Ton says:

    Fuzzie you poor bear. Democrat’s only care about power, their leftist indoctrination and/ or looting the treasury, they don’t give a shit and what Hilary does. Or any other Democrat as long as the cash keeps flowing

    The true believers won’t care either because Republicans are pure evil and need to be stopped, ends justifying the means etc

    You are way to old and intelligent to be so naive my friend

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  161. mgtowhorseman says:

    Waiting to see how Trump reacts.

    Show maturity and ask her to gracefully exit?
    Direct attack on her health as an old crone?
    A CIC that walks away from the national symbol of terrorism?

    So many choices.

    Why is the dem machine so attached to her. Like the republicans worried that trump was unelectable, the dems gotta be doing the calculations. Pull now or pray she makes it to January. (even if she holds on to Nov she still has to make it to the swearing in.)

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  162. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    It is one thing to be cynical in good tmes. It can be entertaining. But there is no place for it when the shit hits the fan.


  163. Spawny Get says:

    I’m going to have to turn your sense of humour to the dark side…

    Liked by 1 person

  164. Spawny Get says:

    You knew it was coming.

    Misogyny could be treated as a hate crime by police forces across England and Wales in a bid to tackle sexist abuse.

    The move comes after Nottinghamshire Police reportedly launched 20 investigations in the first two months of its pioneering scheme to tackle misogyny.

    The Fawcett Society, which campaigns for women’s rights, praised the development but called for the policy to be entereed in to the law.


  165. SFC Ton says:

    Fuzzie, not sure what you are trying to say, but progressives were blaming the usa for 9/11 on 9/11.

    The nation is fucked because non leftist keep assuming the left are confused but decent sort


  166. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Spawny Get,
    No one has ever denied feminists any request for changes to the law. I don’t see nay reason why they will be denied this time. This is a very bd idea and what would be needed to oppose it would be for men to collectively lobby for their interests. With something this outrageous, it may happen. What this will do is essentially make criminals of all men.


  167. Spawny Get says:


    David Shuster ✔ @DavidShuster
    Clarification from dem operatives @HillaryClinton pneumonia: Expect emergency DNC meeting to CONSIDER replacement. #HillarysHealth
    11:08 PM – 11 Sep 2016

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  168. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Cynicism is not very constructive. I don’t know who these people were who tried to divert blame for 9/11 but, I always thought the terrorists did it.


  169. Yoda says:

    A new post there is


  170. Spawny Get says:

    More like Homer, Bender or their love child?


  171. Yoda says:

    No one has ever denied feminists any request for changes to the law

    Check out the new post you should

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