Lost?


There apparently are lots of articles about young men not doing what young men of the past have done; and more importantly, what is wanted of young men today — right now.  Here is the latest.  It takes a different angle from the last one.  Let us take a look.  We saw this paragraph before, but it is worth repeating.

“These individuals are living with parents or relatives, and happiness surveys actually indicate that they [are] quite content compared to their peers, making it hard to argue that some sort of constraint, [such as that] they are miserable because they can’t find a job, is causing them to play video games.” In other words, the time these young men spend on Xbox and Playstation does not offer them relief from the stress of joblessness and existential inertia. On the contrary, for them it’s part of Living the Dream.

Why, yes it is Living the Dream.  Video games are entertaining, fun and satisfying (or at least seemingly).  The real world, not so much.  Of course, as we all know, the real world has been working extra hard to be that way for the young fellas.

But if Hurst’s research is accurate (and profit margins from the video-game industry suggest that it is), then the issue becomes much bigger than video games themselves. The portrait that emerges of the young American male indicates an isolated, entertainment-absorbed existence, with only the most childlike social ties (such as with parents and “bros”) playing a meaningful role.

They do have social ties to their friends.  Perhaps they are childlike, perhaps not.  Though it is true that they are not exposed as much to the rough and tumble of working (or university) life;  where they are not really wanted.  Why go to someplace where you are not wanted for no apparent good reason?  Who can argue with this?  Incentives matter.

In their on-line community, they are wanted.  It is a true community for them.  Who would not want to be where they are appreciated?

Young men, significantly more so than young women, are stuck in life. Research released in May from the Pew Center documented a historic demographic shift: American men aged 18-30 are now statistically more likely to be living with their parents than with a romantic partner. This trend is significant, for one simple reason: Twenty- and thirtysomething men who are living at home, working part-time or not at all, are unlikely to be preparing for marriage. Hurst’s research says that these men are single, unoccupied, and fine with that—because their happiness doesn’t depend on whether they are growing up and living life.

First of all, I am not sure that young women are not stuck in life also.  Carousel riding/watching, a leg up at the university while obtaining non-STEM degrees, make-work affirmative action jobs, etc, are what they engage in.  This is mostly playing, just like the young men are doing.

As for preparing for marriage, it is clear that these young fellas see this as mostly fruitless.  They see men who are working hard to signal provider status getting the short end of the stick, they see their Dad’s and Uncles, they see very few instances of marriage working out for men.  Furthermore, in their 20’s they receive little interest from women.  Probably many think that this will be a long term condition, so why bother preparing for much of anything related to women?

This prolonged delay of marriage and relational commitment often means a perpetual adolescence in other areas of life. Love and sex are arguably the best incentives for men to assert their adulthood. But in the comfort of their parents’ homes and their gaming systems, young men get to live out their fantasies without the frictions of reality.

Love and sex are not the best incentives to assert adulthood.  They have been debased over the last 50 years.  Many young men view them as disincentives; good reasons to remain in their gaming world.

As for the frictions of reality;  well, they have decidedly increased for young men over the years.  Furthermore, most have noticed.

What does that sound like? It sounds like pornography. Could it be that one reason that millions of young American men feel satisfied with their perpetual adolescence is that their sexual appetites are sated by a steady diet of internet porn? No woman they could meet at the coffee shop or on the church camping trip could possibly compete with these perfectly toned, perfectly undemanding models. The mild embarrassment a man might feel at looking real girls in the eye after days of masturbatory absorption in fantasy perfection is avoidable, if he simply doesn’t get out.

Is this any worse with respect to society than women riding the carousel?  So we have carousel riding and rampant wanking?  Which might the cause, and which one might be the effect?

A connection between enslavement to video games and enslavement to pornography is not far-fetched. As Russell Moore has noted, the former offers “fake war,” while the latter offers “fake love.” Between the Xbox and the X-rating, a young man can oscillate from the primal thrills of conquest to the orgasmic comfort of faux-intimacy. When these two temptations meet in the lonely dark of Mom and Dad’s basement, what’s not to like?

Indeed.  What is not to like?  Now, what is anybody going to do about it?  Would there be enough will to do so?

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81 comments on “Lost?
  1. SFC Ton says:

    There is rough in tumble in university life?
    Cause I ain’t seeing it

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  2. SFC Ton says:

    Women can’t compete with porn… ie a dudes hand

    That really shows how little most women have to offer

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  3. Yoda says:

    Women can’t compete with porn… ie a dudes hand

    Implied this was.

    Perhaps a new definition of being “handy” it is

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  4. Yoda says:

    There is rough in tumble in university life?

    Some degrees actually effort require they do.
    But “studies” degrees do not

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  5. SFC Ton says:

    Studying is rough and tumble?
    MMA is rough a tumble
    A fire fighters is rough a tumble
    A 24 foot boat in 40 ft swells is rough and tumble

    Studying is…. maybe gangs now roam libraries?

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  6. Ame says:

    this accurately describes my college bff’s son.
    parents still married.
    wife is the strong one in the marriage w/ huge career.
    husband is the weaker partner content with status quo job.
    son is only child.
    coddled by mother.
    father and son both enjoy same things – games, movies, etc.
    son only works p/t b/c that’s all he can handle – emotional issues.
    parents support him.
    he stays close to momma.
    momma has career and son.
    father and son have each other for play.
    everyone’s happy.

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  7. mgtowhorseman says:

    I had a comment but like these men….Why Bother.

    We all know the roots but it is very un PC to say it.

    We all get the shame but are numb to it.

    We all see the “reward” as marriage to a narcisistic land whale and are not encouraged by it.

    “But what about the children??”

    “Well when WE were Children you:
    kicked DAD out,
    left us with a string or strangers and daycare
    moved us from a house in the suburbs with ballfields to a highrise apartment.

    We CARE about the children as much as Mom did.”

    Besides every girl we meet says “I just wanna party and have fun” so even if we wanted to who is there to impress.

    But it was a useless comment anyway.
    Gotta take my Riddilen and beat level 25.
    (actually I am making a drone from scratch for my nerd buddies who are writing the flight software from scratch because we were bored. But Im just a drooling basement troll)

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  8. mgtowhorseman says:

    University of Chicago.
    The Globe and Mail
    The New Yorker.

    Hmmmm.

    Maybe the cadre in charge is getting worried their grand scheme isnt working.

    Well marriage incentives didnt stop Japans Herbivores, negative interest rates didnt get Millenials to start buying crap and now helicopter money in Germany and Japan to please buy crap.

    Now what happens when the jobs to applicant ratio hits double digits in the next 5 years. Currently in Canada it is 2.3:1 The highest EVER.

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  9. Ame says:

    ““Well when WE were Children you:
    kicked DAD out,
    left us with a string or strangers and daycare
    moved us from a house in the suburbs with ballfields to a highrise apartment.

    We CARE about the children as much as Mom did.””
    – – – – – – –

    interesting thinking about this …
    wondering if moms think they can sway children to her side.
    that they will never grow up and figure it out.
    then kids caught in middle btw parents.
    forced to choose.
    so choose neither.

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  10. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Thank you, Farm Boy. Incentives matter and this is being played out in this post. The young men are responding to a system that only wants to use them.

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  11. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    There is a price to be paid for pulling the rug out from under these young men. All that production that would ordinarily come from men supporting families is lost.

    Horseman,
    Are you saying that there is only one applicant for evry 2.3 jobs? This is something I am unfamiliar with. Smployers can take some responsibility here too for burning through help.

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  12. BuenaVista says:

    Does anyone else ever get tired of women pathologizing every human conflict? “He has emotional issues.”. BFD. Who doesn’t.

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  13. Ame says:

    i thought that interesting, too, BV. it’s what his mother says … an explanation, perhaps? … when she explains why he only works part time.

    (though she and i have always politely disagreed on much, she has been a good friend to me. when / if … i ever need someone ‘now’ i can call her, and she’ll drop everything to be there for me. has happened twice since college)

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  14. Yoda says:

    Pathologies allow one to blame others it does.
    Or at very least, “bad luck” it would be

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  15. SFC Ton says:

    It’s telling “they” never come up with the answer as in the incentives aren’t there

    Its only recently dawned on some of the older men I know. Oddly I think it took Trump and Sanders to drive home the point

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  16. Yoda says:

    It’s telling “they” never come up with the answer as in the incentives aren’t there

    Authors want to be published they do

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  17. SFC Ton says:

    Ture Master Yoda
    But it is also equally true they don’t care enough about men to think beyond “men won’t man up because men suck”

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  18. mgtowhorseman says:

    Fuzz.

    Yes it is an better indication of workforce than unemployment rate.

    Unemployment (with some variation by country) is the number of employable population not working (15 to 65 not disabled) over the total employable population (15 to 65 not disabled).

    It has a large built in variability due to welfare, people not looking for work, bad self reporting, etc.

    Jobs per applicant (JPA) is based on recruitment stats computed as number of jobs available (reported vacant to government or advertised) over the number of applicants actually received (not self reported i.e. i looked for work gimme my foodstamps).

    It indicates the number of employers looking for staff compared to the number actually looking so indicates voluntary labourforce participation. Long term average is around 1.2 in a good economy.

    The people in the article would be included in traditional unemployment as the poor poor unemployed rather than hurting the labour market as shown in JPA where their non applying raises the number.

    JPA also averages out the labour spikes. For the unskilled or BA crowd the number is way low, about 0.5 but the larger number is very indicative of the trades shortage. In some jobs like machinists or welders it is upwards of 4:1.

    As boomers retire JPA is going to skyrocket even if we had everyone wanting to work. My counterpart in the local county government is forecasting a 30 to 40% loss of staff in the next 5 years. LA county public sector was in the news as anticipating needing 30,000 workers over 5 years. That is more people than in my city.

    Between single moms aging out of child support and this JPA the tax base is going to go for a crashdive just as medical care is going to explode whe consumerism consumption will stagnate or recess.

    Gonna be interesting. Consumer goods in deflation, taxes skyrocketing and wages for those with skills going into hyper inflation. The gap between unskilled poor and rich job jumping skilled is going to be ginormous.
    (and i mean real trade skills not finance bay street types.)

    Cheers

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  19. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Horseman,
    Thank you. It is a betterr number. You have a point, the economy is going to be blindsided by this.

    Farm Boy,
    I don’t think that the incentives will come back without some catastrophe. Maybe Horseman has pointed out the source of it.

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  20. mgtowhorseman says:

    Messenger Rising
    Exactly why MGTOW are moving but in a constructive, positive, hopeful way. Brilliant piece.
    I watch it weekly.

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  21. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Horseman,
    I watched it. It was a bit more than I could take in at once. I tend to daydream. Seeing all the photos of boys in workhouses made me wonder who put them there. They got the short end of it all right.

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  22. FNU LNU says:

    its not just younger men that are taking that route. I know a few guys in their 40s-50s who have gone towards xBox life. They are just tired of being taken advantage of and unappreciated.

    I got a healthy dose of “unappreciated” from my daughter. her mom asked that I cone and take them out to buy stuff for when she goes back to college next week. Spent a couple of hundred on stuff for her, and not a single thank you. And when I mentioned it to her mom, all I got was a complaint about something my oldest son did.

    Thank god for motorcycles…

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  23. Yoda says:

    I got a healthy dose of “unappreciated” from my daughter. her mom asked that I cone and take them out to buy stuff for when she goes back to college next week.

    Seen this before I have.
    Happened exactly that way with my BIL it did.
    Wonder how common this is I do

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  24. Yoda says:

    What type of degree aiming for she is?

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  25. SFC Ton says:

    Nice work there Horseman

    Personally I don’t think the economic reality for most men gets the credit due in the creating mgtow/ Peter pans or whatever term we want to use for men who have checked out

    The man o sphere does a good job covering the social trends that get men to walk away but I reckon the general lack of economic opertunity is at least as important as the social conditions

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  26. FNU LNU says:

    Forensic Investigation. Bachelors to Masters program at Stevenson University, and she’s already taken 2 grad level classes and ace’d them. Pretty proud of her scholastically.

    Not so much on how she treats her dad.

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  27. Cill says:

    Video at 4:16 am

    Some of us will accept that the needs of men will not be met in conventional relationships. We’ve seen past the lies and no longer hold out any hope for that fabled NAWALT. Why? Because that is a hindrance. If that is a man’s only goal in life, he will never transcend this level.

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  28. Yoda says:

    There is a price to be paid for pulling the rug out from under these young men. All that production that would ordinarily come from men supporting families is lost.

    Read more here one can

    https://dalrock.wordpress.com/2013/07/20/forfeiting-the-patriarchal-dividend/

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  29. Yoda says:

    Spent a couple of hundred on stuff for her, and not a single thank you.

    Wonder if ever occurred to her to say such it did I do.
    Or the workhorse mentality so embedded that no other concept one can see it is?

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  30. Yoda says:

    Between the Xbox and the X-rating, a young man can oscillate from the primal thrills of conquest to the orgasmic comfort of faux-intimacy.

    Restrictions coming they are.
    What form they will be cloudy it is

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  31. Yoda says:

    I know a few guys in their 40s-50s who have gone towards xBox life.

    A lifestyle choice it would be.
    And all lifestyle choices empowering they are.
    And empowerment good it would be

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  32. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    A day spent shopping, two hundred bucks in goodies, and not a “thank you”? No more shopping with her.

    I wanted to say something epic about how we are all overlooked and i ends up making existence futile but, why bother? The people that we need to get to aren’t going to care.

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  33. FNU LNU says:

    I think that the nicest and most PC way I can put it,…

    is that it is learned behavior from the f’n cop that I was married to. She could never say thank you either!

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  34. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    A little gratitude is not too much to ask for.

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  35. FNU LNU says:

    If you only knew…

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  36. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Gettimg back to the original post, these young men aren’t lost, they have sidelined themselves. The job market sucks, the SMP sucks, forget about marriage and kids, and they don’t feel wanted. They also are fully aware of alpha fux and beta bux and have no intention of being roped into beta bux. They have witnessed that all around them throughout their lives. The sad part is that I don’t see things changing in their lifetime, at least for now.

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  37. thedeti says:

    the article is phase 2 in the “what’s wrong with men, and why aren’t they marrying these fabulous specimens of womanhood” line of handwringing our Powers That Be put out.

    Phase 1 was “why aren’t these Peter Pan Manboys stepping up and manning up and marrying the sluts!!”

    Phase 2 is “Our men are lost and confused, and distractions like video games and porn are to blame. These men just need to….

    stop looking at porn and stop playing video games.”

    Once again, there’s precious little discussion of what’s actually going on. Men are incentivized not to work, not to earn 500% of what they actually need, not to signal readiness for marriage and family, not to “grow up”. Men are doing these things because they are incentivized into it.

    Men also notice that being a morally ambiguous, ne’er do well, irresponsible douchebag GETS THEM LAID.

    Men also notice that on the other end, being a kick-ass-and-take-names, take-no-bullshit, bad ass dickhead GETS THEM LAID.

    Men also notice that being a morally upstanding responsible nice man DOES NOT GET THEM LAID.

    Men also notice that being a kind, unassuming, put up with bullshit, kind of quirky but nice guy DOES NOT GET THEM LAID.

    Men also notice that being a douchebag or a bad ass dickhead takes a lot of work and there’s risk involved. Men also notice that playing video games and watching porn is low effort, but gives adequate return. Being nice and unassuming gets people to leave them alone, too.

    Men also notice other guys with girls, and girlfriends, and getting some sex once in a while. They notice the insane amounts of bullshit those men tolerate for some shitty sex once in a while. They reach the very logical conclusion that, “you know, maybe putting up with insane amounts of bullshit for some shitty sex once in a while is, uh, well, kinda not worth it, you know? Maybe it’s a better use of my time to drink some booze, watch the game, play some Call of Duty, and jerk it to xHamster before I drift off to bed.”

    Now, this is not really an admirable viewpoint. Not one I’d encourage guys to emulate. It is, however, very, VERY understandable.

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  38. thedeti says:

    “These men just need to….

    stop looking at porn and stop playing video games.””

    And then they need to man up and start getting educations. And working jobs making lots of money. And then they need to start dating these girls. And marrying them. When those girls are good and ready.

    Or something.

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  39. SFC Ton says:

    Over all society is very hostile toward all things good, right and proper which traditionally ensures a healthy, growing and prosperous tribe.

    We in the West have been rotten to the core for generations but material wealth has masked the problems

    Its doubtful dudes who are opting out realize this but some things are driven by instinct

    What there can be no doubt of is the chattering class of useless eaters ie the media etc are completely unaware of what is driving things and their single solution is more college ie more debt

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  40. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    They have to go out and be superproductive so that government can raise taxes and thier would-be wives can spend their paychecks. Thsi is a little reminiscent of what herbivores are saying in Japan. There, the wife take the paycheck and he lives on an allowance that amkoounts to lunch money. I don’t think young Japanese men are standing in line to sign up. Oh, one more thing, marriage in Japan is presumed to be sexless.

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  41. I can see why a guy would opt out. I bet few do so conciously but rather just kinda fall into it.

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  42. mgtowhorseman says:

    Also men are checking out but are not listless videogamers. A buddy of mine who sits on the board of a local national charity (big red hand symbol) is a 45 mgtow. He was a director of a major plant in town. As soon as his house and car were paid at 35 and ammassed a sizeable nestegg he checked out.

    Since then he has climbed k2, built a dozen houses for habitat4humanity, bought and refurbished a cabin cruiser and all the time volunteering his executive skills on several charities. Hks 2017 workplan? Riding his motorcycle from the US border here down to the tip or argentina then sell the bike and fly home.

    And he is just one of several.

    It is easier for the media to portray mgtow as losers and manboys. It is easier than admitting the real hunky mchandy millionaire…ie guys with money skills and go to the gym for fun…..are exactly the guys who are pulling themselves out of the game.

    Basically imagine Charleze Theron at the top of her career entering a closed off nunnery for the rest of her life.

    Finally. THE QUESTION THE MEDIA WONT ADDRESS….

    HOW BAD DO YOU HAVE TO MAKE IT TO GET ABLE BODIED MEN…

    TO GIVE UP SEX!!!!!

    p.s. Messenger went mgtow after a messy divorce. His material is well produced, thoughtful and eloquently spoken. Not the work of a pimply faced basement troll.

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  43. mgtowhorseman says:

    p.s. I volunteer on the same board for the last 9 years because I believe people have an obligation to help their fellow human being.

    But would I give a single mom on the street a hand…..nope.

    I dont have the will to vett the lazy from the needy. Instead my efforts go to those the professionals have vetted as Truly needed.

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  44. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Horseman,
    I think that I have heard Messenger Rising before. If memory serves, his wife got him sent to prison for a time. That is more than messy.
    It is not just about sex or not having it. It is that women can be dangerous to men.

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  45. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Getting back to the original post, these young men are adapting as best they can to a reality that their parents never thought would happen and can barely comprehend.

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  46. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Laura perrins at Conservative Woman chimes in.
    http://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/laura-perrins-working-class-men-turn-their-backs-on-work/
    Once again, she doesn’t quite get all of it.

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  47. Yoda says:

    “Incentive” difficult word to fathom it must be…

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  48. Yoda says:

    Upon further review, Ms. Perrins kind of gets it she does

    http://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/laura-perrins-working-class-men-turn-their-backs-on-work/

    So it seems just as women were liberating themselves from the prison of the home, working class men have liberated themselves from work. Perhaps unsurprisingly one liberation – that of women – has been celebrated, but the other is causing panic.

    Because this is something the feminists never thought through – men can opt-out and survive. They will not thrive, and I think ultimately it is at great personal loss to themselves and others, but if they don’t like the family and work deal offered, they’ll just opt-out of both. They will not organise, they will not take to Twitter they will just ‘socially withdraw.’

    The truth is since the 1960s the working class man has not only seen his economic prospects hit, but more fundamentally his position in society has been trashed. The status he had as ‘head of the family’ no matter how menial and meaningless the job was on its own, had meaning and dignity as it sustained a family

    But this status has been gradually eroded over the decades, first by the feminists, who poured scorn on the husband who provides, then by the welfare state who said we can do this job better than you, and finally by the liberals who said fathers were surplus to requirements.

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  49. Yoda says:

    But Ms. Perrins ultimately a Hillary moment she does have,

    All of this spells disaster of course for the working class woman who is left scratching a living in low-paid jobs and welfare while holding the baby.

    Note that one hundred years ago today, the Somme Offensive still happening it was.
    British women suffered most they did

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  50. Ame says:

    Yoda – curious … why a gravatar pic you do not have?

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  51. Cill says:

    HOW BAD DO YOU HAVE TO MAKE IT TO GET ABLE BODIED MEN…

    TO GIVE UP SEX!!!!!

    Lust is a weakness. I’m working on it.

    Seriously, you have hit on the question.

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  52. Cill says:

    Is sex drive a weakness?

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  53. Yoda says:

    Suggest a gravitar you might?
    Gotta make me look better than Moehau Man it does

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  54. Yoda says:

    HOW BAD DO YOU HAVE TO MAKE IT TO GET ABLE BODIED MEN…

    TO GIVE UP SEX!!!!!

    The “Vagina Premium” just too high it is

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  55. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Cill,
    A straight answer to Horseman’s question is A LOT!

    Yoda,
    Laura Perrins just can’t put aside the gynocentrim. It is like it is a part of her. Here is another.
    http://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/laura-perrins-many-high-earning-women-will-be-single-forever/
    It is the female side of what this post is covering.

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  56. Ame says:

    does this link work?! 🙂

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  57. Cill says:

    Yoda at 6:20 am

    ?????

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  58. Yoda says:

    Moehau Man such a stud he is.
    Compete visually with him difficult it would be.
    For the Force is visible not

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  59. Moehau Man says:

    “Information”, Mrs Moehau Man (my sober old mum) informed me just then, “is the most informational informant.”

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  60. Moehau Man says:

    “Information”, she added, “possesseth both omnipotence and singularity of mass.”

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  61. Cill says:

    C’est la vie

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  62. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Yoda,
    I don’t think that Ame’s gravitar is the right one for you. This is a job for our Glorius Patriarch.

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  63. Sumo says:

    Is sex drive a weakness?

    Nah. It’s just a biological response to specific stimuli.

    Alas, I am incapable of defining “weakness” without offending the delicate sensibilities of certain individuals who post on this forum.

    C’est la vie. 😉

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  64. Ame says:

    i agree with The Bear … i’m terrible at things like this!

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  65. mgtowhorseman says:

    sex is no more a weakness than any other behavior. It can be controlled and redirected…

    “we are winning the war between our bodies and our minds”. Messenger means exactly that control.

    Unfortunately many men and women think it is an imperative like food or water. You cant live without it and thus the supplier has power.

    But you can. Or find other sources.

    Dr says I cant eat bacon 😣 so I eat fresh fish.

    Women want to control via sex then I get endorphines by exercise and if I must have it then I do for myself.

    Women removed LOVE from the equation which had real power. The SEX left if like bacon in a butcher shop. Nice to have but there is so much more to enjoy.

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  66. SFC Ton says:

    Sex is only a weakness if you allow a woman to be your sole supply source

    If your current woman won’t put out, some other gal will

    And nothing will keep your current woman lubed up like her knowing you can pull another piece of ass

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  67. The guy horseman describes seems to truly be going his own way. Maybe he has female companions here and there, maybe not, but perhaps he also gets as much fulfillment by pursuing his own interests, achieving goals, and truly living his life.

    This kind of mtgow makes modern women gnash teeth and wail far more than the checked out basement dwelling type bc they can’t write him off as simply a “slacker” or a “loser.” When guys check out and also live fully women are very threatened by that.

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  68. mgtowhorseman says:

    I actually do it within my marriage.
    Mrs doesnt ride. Doesn’t read much and has no use for politics. She has never been into the literal hundred acre wood behind our fields.
    But yesterday me and the mutt spent two hours in the forest nosing around. Then we came home and lept in tbe pool to cool off for another hour.

    Tonight after work I have a board meeting at my charity. She is working tonight so I will trapes with the mutt or go for a ride. By the time she get home I will be asleep.

    We do many things together. We also have a ton of seperate interests. We are like Tarn and Mike except with grown kids.

    MGTOW or Monk Code is a state of mind. Do wbat you want when you want because you want within reasonable limits. Then tell society, women, politicians or just nosey neighbors to politely PISS OFF.

    We are the autonimous men. The doers, dreamers, thinkers.

    Go. Do. Be. You don’t need permission.

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  69. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Thinking on the original post, with feminism promoting women at the expense of men is going to have all kinds of unintended consequences. With young men withdrawing, we may be only seeing the start of it.

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  70. mgtowhorseman says:

    The good news is it is impacting the major media.
    MGTOW may still be considered “fringe” but red pill is common usage.

    Just look at the major media we here have quoted in the last week. Men withdrawing is having enough of an effect that the powers are aware of it. And they don’t understand it so it scares them.

    Most of all there IS NO Solution readily at hand. The powers cannot:

    1. put female sexuality back in restraints, that slut is free.

    2. restore man as breadwinner as too many companies are structurally dependent on cheap, part time female labour

    3. apply logic to women’s perceptions of value, cause and effect, unintended consequences, etc. hamster don’t think dat.

    4. make a generation believe anything other than what they lived: I won’t divorce you, I won’t outsource your job, you need to buy stuff to be happy, your house is an investment.

    5. reyoke men who have lived any period of time minimally and seen firsthand how easy it is to do for yourself.

    Even if they get it, and they do, they are not completely dumb…pc yes, dumb no….they cannot see the direction to change course without
    a) losing their political power base..feminism
    b) losing their economic driver…womens spending
    c) losing money to incentise men to do what they used to do for free

    But most of all they cannot do nothing for fear of
    LOSING THE VOLUNTARY PRODUCTIVITY AND ENGAGEMENT OF MEN.

    Interesting times. Pain now to change course or agony later when it all collapses?

    But at least the news keeps us informed of the progress towards distruction.

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  71. Spawny Get says:

    During Brexit campaigning a few smart experts told the bremainiac experts who were confident of victory to get out of London and talk to people outside the bubble. A few bremainiacs paused for a second.

    Mirrors Ton’s link above.

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  72. Spawny Get says:

    I saw ‘shovel your own gravel’ used on one of the conwoman links.

    Classic MGTOW (wipes tear from eye)

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  73. mgtowhorseman says:

    Can we have a discussion of the media image of MGTOW as 25 basement losers and the majority which are 30+ average dependable men who MGTOW after divorce.

    I mean they were good enough to marry once.

    It calms the wounds of 30s SIWs to portray as losers rather than just the beta providers they desperately want are the majority of MGTOW.

    At least a 20 basement MGTOW can be converted back to the yoke by getting laid. The post divorce MGTOW?

    Why doesn’t (or won’t) the media see this side of MGTOW?

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  74. SFC Ton says:

    You went swimming? How did you cut through the ice?

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  75. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Horseman,
    Good calls. Most of the power that women hold is due to the belief that they spend eighty five cents on every dollar. I would like to know how this can be when only fifty percent of adults are married and sevnty percent of those 20-34 are unmarried?

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  76. mgtowhorseman says:

    har har. Its 31 degrees here. 90+ Fred.
    Always a wiseass.
    Besides aren’t you down the road in Minnesotta or something?

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  77. SFC Ton says:

    Fuck no snake!

    I’ve gone years without needing a jacket

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  78. Horseman did you mean Mike and Liz? Or Tarn and Semus above?

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  79. […] to exercise moving on (or up) whenever she sees fit without condemnation or shame, have chased those good guys off. Not the other way […]

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