Another flashback, this is a comment that I made to the Hierarchy post.
Can I bend your framework a little to tie it into an article elsewhere? And thereby explain why society is falling apart over the issue of feminism. That’s a lofty goal(!) surely worth a go?
That article* talks about the obsolescence of women. Their historical role of bearing kids still exists (until artificial wombs are invented) , but beyond that, homemaking has been pretty much made a part time job at best (thanks to male invented technology). Following the invention of the pill, women have been freed from their historical role, but have floundered in finding a new one. Some of them have grabbed the old male one (on old school male terms – real equality), others grabbed that role and bent it somewhat (lowered physical standards for jobs where necessary). Others have just bitched and moaned about ‘patriarchy’ oppressing them (no details emerge under questioning), stamping their feet because 50% of whatever need to be female or it just isn’t fair (only the good jobs though, no need for 50% oil rig workers / miners etc). Others, the non-feminist, non-career oriented, women are left without a role unless they can hold their nose and marry a beta. To be fair there are women that don’t need to hold their nose to do that, let’s call them old-school perhaps(?) But their problem is; is this role really necessary anymore? And that they need a host male to provide for it.
The reason I want to stretch your framework is because of a comment made on that article, which made me consider a connection between that article and yours
Nostradormouse in reply to rocelot
Women had the pharmaceutical assistance to make a seismic discontinuous break with the cultural scripts derived from biological determinism half a century ago.
All that lovely Dr. Greer could come up with at the time was a demand for more and better orgasms. Even the Spice Girls, who were in a position to concisely articulate the aspirations of an entire gender and generation, could only identify their endgame as ‘Zigazigah’
This article crystalises my underlying ‘beef’ with Feminism. It has no underlying philosophical or critical premise. “Women are human beings too” just doesn’t cut it.
The culture hasn’t figured out what to do with fertile women who aren’t having kids, so women now get a free pass.
They [Swithers – apex alpha females] have done surprisingly little with a change which makes us almost a different species. No observation. No derivation of theory. No experimental evidence reproducible or otherwise. I am disappointed.
So I want to stretch your framework by redefining ‘apex alpha females’. These are the gals that should be giving the herd its lofty goals, it’s direction beyond ‘you are exactly the same as men (except better in suitably vague terms) you go girls and zigazigah’. But if any apex-alpha-females exist, they are failing to deliver the requisite philosophy. (To explain my departure from your framework; I would argue that Maggie Thatcher was effectively a non-penis-wielding apex-alpha-male).
Whatever the perceived faults of beta males (not sexy enough for entitled yugo-girls) they used to do the heavy lifting for society. As I’ve previously said, increasing numbers of these guys are failing to see why they should do the heavy lifting when the rewards aren’t there. Now we could talk about VR girlfriends / sex-bots / reliable male contraceptive (RISUG) making this even ‘worse’ soon (maybe a discussion for another day. I see it as men’s right to GTOW, it’s up to society to offer them a deal that they want).
But what about the beta women? They have no homemaker role if the beta men aren’t interested in being their financier / pack-mule. Single moms can live via daddy-state, but men by and large do not want to wife them up and this life is only viable while the state has the cash (or can print it). Many of these beta females (I presume) like the traditional role of women (even without men. SATC basically), but they need financing. I’m happy for all the women that want to muscle in on the old male role (packhorse / moneycow for society), but what about those that don’t?
Feminism has been tearing down beta men, out of some hatred for ebul-penis-wielders-that-aren’t-sexy-enough-but-dammit-they-outperform-women-in-many-fields (which is clearly not fair – must be patriarchy etc) so quotas, AA etc are used to drag them down. But in doing that they have left the beta women without their personal financial host.
It appears that some of these women are starting to see that feminism is not interested in them either. The stats show an increasing number of women are seeing marriage and kids as an important goal (refusing the feminist line – career as the soul defining part of their life, there are no gender differences beyond whether your genitalia happen to point in or out), just as men are dropping the provider role ‘offered’ by marriage.
TL;DR there is an apex alpha female role (distinct from the male one), but nobody competent is doing the job. Everyone bar the alpha males and females are suffering, or will suffer because of it.
I am very happy for everyone to define their own goals, women should have just as many choices as men. I am not interested in a return to patriarchy (whatever that was in the western world, a long time ago). I just happen to believe that feminism hurts women too.