Hierarchy of the Herd

Going a bit retro here, a return to an article from the late, lamented and missed JustFourGuys.  Sadly the links are broken, judging where I just ended up when trying justfourguys…maybe NSFW.

Last week we saw how women are heavily influenced by the feminist and pop-culture voices that dominate the message sent to the female herd.  In this post, let’s dig deeper into the dynamics of the herd and get at the questions of who’s in control and, beyond technology (mostly invented by men), who has driven the recent great changes in society? Was it men?  Women?  Or some portion of each?

Hierarchy In a Sexual Free Market

  • Apex Alpha Males
  • Alpha Females
  • Alpha Males
  • Beta Females
  • Beta Males

Note that in a more assortative and patriarchal society that the alpha males will move ahead of their female counterparts as will the beta males.  Apex alpha males will still rule.

Apex alpha males have the most power of all.  Though not invincible, they are the most independent of any of the groups of people, because of their wealth, charisma, status, fame, ability, looks or position.  They are the men that most women fantasize about. Because of their intrinsic power, they are often the most difficult to influence.  Many apex alphas are quite happy with feminism and raunch culture because it provides them with more workers, more consumers and more pussy.

Alpha females have more influence over the herd and thus more influence on society than alpha males (excluding apex alpha males).  Interestingly enough, in a sexual free market, women often have more power than men.  Alpha females have great influence over the bulk of women through their messages of what IS and IS NOT acceptable behavior for herd membership.  The alpha females want power and many of them also want to mate with the apex alphas (look at how Hillary married and stuck with Bill).  The main currency that a woman has to mate up is sex–hence the focus on sexy attire and giving it up easy before the higher-value man moves on.  Or in the case of Hillary, she is a capable woman that helped form the Billary power couple and she let Bill philander on the side.  And yes, once in while, women are apex alpha females, if they become the leader of a country like Margaret Thatcher or have a huge platform and wealth like Oprah.  Hillary will become (more of) one if she becomes president.
It may surprise you that many non-apex alpha males are actually herd followers (they do what women demand for sex but in this case it’s more along the lines of being sexy or having power) and they have less influence on the herd, and thus on society, than alpha females.  They are higher than beta females though because the beta females and some alpha females desire them.  But if you doubt that these non-apex alpha males are herd followers, just look at how they are so circumscribed by today’s divorce laws, child support and general feminist thought.  At work he has to be careful of what he says and not to offend the herd.  And yes, alpha males are more free to fuck lots of women now but that is precisely because the herd permits and desires it and because birth control, less stigma and DNA testing make it easier for women.  If a pregnancy results, he’s on the hook whereas in generations past, the fly-by-night alpha cad passing through town could knock her up and be gone before the shotguns came calling with wedding bells ringing.  Though more powerful than the beta male, the lower alpha male is still very much constrained and shaped by the female herd.

Beta females are basically followers.  They sacrifice some of their personal desires in order to satisfy their other desire of belonging to the herd, as we saw with women that wanted relationships or children but put them off to stay in the feminist herd.

Beta males have the least influence because they will generally respond to what the beta females demand in order to have a woman in their life and get sex.  If the women demand loyal providers most men will bust their ass to do that.  If the women change and demand sexy badboys then the beta men will respond as best they can and put less emphasis on being good providers and try to add some sexy to their game.

Because women have such an influence not only on what they do but also on what men will do in a sexual free market, the direction and control of the female herd is the most important element that can be focused on to change society.  It’s the low-lying fruit.  Yes, in principle, if you could influence the apex alpha males then that would give you the biggest change but since they are much more independent and difficult to influence there is not as much chance of success.

The war ON women is a bogus collection of demands for more power and entitlement for women but the war FOR women is one of the most important battles of our time.  The feminists have had control for the last four or five decades but some women are beginning to realize that they were deceived by being told not to focus on relationships and children.Many women are ready to be told that they should have the freedom to choose their innate desire for love and children over conformity to the Fempire’s sole focus on career.  The time is ripe to rip the reins from the feminist alpha mares and provide the narrative that women should truly be free to choose what they want instead of what some strawman-patriarchy-hating feminist tells her to want.  A key part of this is for men and women to have the courage to live by and promote truth and real fairness.  No more cowering beneath the scornful scold of the herd masters and mastresses.

I didn’t really mention omegas because they have such little power and impact that they’re not worth mentioning except that omega females have more power than omega males because low-value men will still seek omega females for sex.

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Women Need The Herd

As we saw in the post on evolutionary incentives, women are physically weaker and especially vulnerable during pregnancy and when caring for young children. Women need the herd for survival more than men. Women tend to be more talented at, and concerned with, being part of the group, building and maintaining social ties, and communicating and spending time with others. And why the hell do they always have to go to the damn bathroom together?

Though not a perfect metaphor (as none is), the female herd describes a lot about the present day situation with women…and men. And lest you think I’m being solely derogatory about women, calling them herd-like and all, remember that most men are even “worse!” They’re herd followers!  Doing what the female herd demands in order to get sex and companionship.

Most Men Are Herd Followers

Think of how much most men bend their will and sacrifice the dream in order to have women in their lives, either for the short term or the long. Look at how many men tried being the nice guy provider only to learn that the price had changed more to sexy badboy.

For most men, sooner or later, sex is an inelastic demand and they will pay whatever price the herd demands. If it’s “be a stable provider,” they’ll adjust. If it’s “be a cocky-funny jerk for a short-term fling,” they’ll adjust…at least as much as they can, eventually, after overcoming enormous inertia.

The Wild Horse Herd

Let’s look at a herd in the wild, a horse herd, and compare with some of the herd-like behavior in today’s society. A simple overview provides many interesting insights (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horse_behavior):

  • “Bands are organized on a “harem model” in that they usually consist of one adult male and a group of females. Each band is led by a mare who is dominant in the hierarchy, called the “dominant mare,” the “lead mare” or the “boss mare.” The band contains additional mares, their foals, and immature horses of both sexes. There is usually a single “herd” or “lead” stallion, though occasionally a few less-dominant males may remain on the fringes of the group….Contrary to traditional portrayals of the herd stallion as the “ruler” of a “harem” of females, the actual leader of a wild or feral herd is the alpha or dominant mare.”
  • “Studies of wild herds have shown that the herd stallion will usually drive out both young colts and fillies…. The fillies usually join another band in fairly short order, the colts driven out from various herds usually join together for safety in small “bachelor” groups until those who are able establish dominance over an older stallion in another herd.”
  • “The edge of the herd is the domain of the herd stallion, who must fight off both predators and other males.”

So we see a clear hierarchy:  the alpha stallion is the strongest horse (but usually lets the alpha mare run things), then the alpha mare does the day-to-day leading, then the beta mares, then the few beta males allowed to follow along with the herd. Many of the betas and the omega males are cast out, along with a few potential studs that might rise to be the next alpha. The young fillies that are driven out don’t usually flock to the beta outcasts. No, they find another alpha (that’s not their father) and hypergamously mate with him.

Human Hierarchy:  Apex Alpha Males, Alpha Females, Alpha Males, Beta Females, Beta Males

Though not exactly the same, the human hierarchy is similar in a sexual “free market.” The apex alpha males are at the top and control many aspects of society. The alpha females want both primary access to the apex alpha males and to exercise control (together with their alpha apex male allies) over the female herd. Many of the beta females of the herd are hypergamous, often envious of the glamorous lives of the alpha females and their greater access to the alpha males.  However, by dressing slutty and offering up easy sex they can have the alpha for a night or two themselves–they can feel the intoxicating power of being desired by the desirable. Of course not all women are hypergamous and many are happy with the beta males available to them.

As with the beta male horses, the lesser males in today’s society don’t have much say in things. They can shut up and get by but if they start to speak up too much against the received wisdom of the herd then the alpha mares, the beta mares, white-knight nags, and even the alpha stallion at times, will shame them and threaten to cast them out.

Yes, the apex alpha males deservedly get the limelight but the idea of the alpha mare is an often ignored but highly important role in human society, especially today’s. Women might not have quite the role of the equine alpha mare but the human version does have great influence, much more than they’re given credit for when men are seen as privileged while women are exaggeratedly portrayed as powerless victims. No, today’s women are very powerful since they control the price of sex.  And the alpha mares are even more powerful because they have great control over the message given to the female herd and the herd female either complies or is punished.  Finally, bringing up the rear are the majority of males that do what the herd demands.

Speculation on How Things Changed in Society

Apex alphas want the dollar, work, vote, and pussy of the female herd.

Due to technology, the main divider between men and women–physical strength–was largely removed.  Also, many of the intense domestic labors were replaced with machines. This freed women up to be able to work outside the home, thus providing a larger and cheaper workforce to rich business owners.  Here’s one example of where the interests of business apex alphas aligned with feminist women.  Also, with women earning more there were more customers than ever.  Women voting is one area where political apex alphas (often situational apex alphas) and other politicians have to be more responsive to women and thus aren’t quite as independent of the female herd as other more independent apex alphas are, like top athletes and rock stars that sell much of their product to men and are highly desired by women.

Also, apex and regular alphas want lots of sex and so they were happy to see the societal restrictions on women loosen up.  Some foolish betas probably thought they’d be swimming in pussy too, only to see that pussy swimming the other way.  And since women are now more self-supporting or government-supported then more of them are freed up to service higher-value men.

So we see that many apex alpha males, regular alphas, and even greater betas actually benefit from the current society where women are free to fuck up.

Alpha Females Mostly Allied With Apex Alpha Male Goals

What about the alpha females?  Many of them want wealth and power.  Many also want the best men they can get.  Those that go for the rock-star type have to be sexy and famous and they often gain that fame through a combination of their beauty and selling their sexiness to some extent.  (Think of Kim Kardashian and many of the pop stars who wear sexy outfits and sing about sex.)

The feminists wanted power but implicitly this made them want higher and higher value men because as women became more successful then that raised the bar of what kind of men could satisfy their hypergamy.

All of these messages of what the alpha mares wanted were sent to the beta mares by both word and example.  The alpha mares wanted to justify themselves and impose their views on the rest to create the kind of world they wanted.  The beta mares, followers as they are, followed along, with pockets of conservative or libertarian resistance here and there.

The politicians and businessmen went along with these trends for the reasons described above.  The beta males sensed the movement in the herd and didn’t want to offend feminine sensitivities so they accepted much of the demands of feminism too.  Only as the beta males started to lose out on sex and good marriage partners and divorce rates underwent a step change up did men gradually and belatedly wake up to the fact that the sexual revolution didn’t bring paradise island to all.  And women are also realizing that being free to go for it all doesn’t mean you’ll get it.

Perhaps it’s time for a change.

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96 comments on “Hierarchy of the Herd
  1. Spawny Get says:

    FarmBoy, can we give this a run through tonight, making the next new post (which may or may not be my first comment etc. I’ll leave that to you) Wednesday 12:01?
    I think this deserves a good window and I don;t know what went wrong last night…


  2. Ame says:

    very good and insightful.

    as a mom, i couldn’t help thinking of all the times my kids have said something like, “But *her* mom said it’s okay!” … or, “The other kids’ parents let them do that!” and my response has always been, “I do not care what other moms or kids do; I care what I do and what you do!”

    my step son is going thru an incredibly stupid phase … and he tried pulling that ‘other parents’ bs not long ago. when told my girls they just giggled b/c … they know … poor kid got the wrong step mom for that crap!

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  3. SFC Ton says:

    Wasn’t this post shorter with more comments or do I need to lay off the corn liquor

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  4. Ame says:

    train ’em young, Men!

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  5. Is this the post from j4g by Han Solo?

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  6. Yoda says:

    For most men, sooner or later, sex is an inelastic demand and they will pay whatever price the herd demands.

    Many modern problems come from this they do.
    Exploit this to the maximum feminists do.
    To the detriment of all this would be


  7. Yoda says:

    “Sex” more about power than procreation it is.
    A poor societal approach this is


  8. Spawny Get says:

    Bloom, yes it is.

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  9. Spawny Get says:

    Ton, the post last night (your evening) was made from a comment that I made in response to this post when it appeared on JFG. That’ll be rescheduled by FarmBoy at some point. It didn’t make sense to have my responding comment ahead of the key post.

    No need to cut back on the corn liquor. Reality is the problem, not your perception of it.

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  10. Ame says:

    “Reality is the problem, not your perception of it.”

    applies to many a thing out here, does it not?!


  11. Cill says:

    “Reality is the problem, not your perception of it”

    Men strove for thought and technology that would improve the accuracy of perception with which to identify and overcome problems of reality.

    Feminism strives to render accurate perception obsolete and replace it with a narrative with which to identify and overcome problems of fiction.

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  12. Ame says:

    “Men strove for thought and technology that would improve the accuracy of perception with which to identify and overcome problems of reality.

    Feminism strives to render accurate perception obsolete and replace it with a narrative with which to identify and overcome problems of fiction.”



  13. Yoda says:

    Somewhat funny this is,

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  14. Ame says:

    funny that is, Yoda 🙂

    Liked by 1 person

  15. Yoda says:

    Painful to watch it is.
    For too much truth there would be


  16. hansolo007 says:

    Dropping in to comment. Thanks, Spawny, for posting this article.

    In the several years that have elapsed since I wrote this it is interesting to see the rise of the Trump candidacy (an apex alpha trying to shake up the existing oligarchy of globalist apex alpha elites–and I’m using alpha in terms of social hierarchy here and not just sexually). Tip of the hat to Ton for laying out what a populist candidate should do and interesting to see how Trump has more or less followed that.

    Regarding this article, as much as feminism is to blame for many things, the real actors are the elites who benefit from feminism.

    As has often been discussed, the elite males benefit from feminism in the following ways:
    1) Sexual elites have more access to women who stay single much longer and have sex with far more partners than their great grandmothers did. Increasingly draconian rape policies on campus and elsewhere put average and lower SMV men at an even greater disadvantage, clearing the woods of the undesirable brush and leaving the alpha trees for the hypergamous women to more easily identify.
    2) Business elites have more labor to depress wages, produce more and, in turn, consume more. And since women are more easily persuaded by marketing, it’s easier to sell them worthless or unneeded crap.
    3) Political elites use feminism and other opinion influencers to set the direction that the female herd should take and then gain their votes by offering these things. Create the demand and then offer the solution.

    The globalist elites have sought their own power and wealth by buying off both left and right–or at least politicians who claim to be of those persuasions. Excessive low-skilled and even high-skilled immigration keeps wages low for big businesses on the right while on the left the low-skilled immigrants or their children tend to vote for the left. Additionally, this helps to keep already-here low-skill people dependent on the gov’t, creating a symbiotic relationship of promising more money and laws to fix a slew of intended-to-never-improve social and economic problems in exchange for their votes and their continued blindness to the true reasons for their never-improving plight.

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  17. Spawny Get says:

    Hi Han,
    sorry about the scheduling snafu. Hopefully this classic post can be enjoyed once more.

    Having just grabbed the opportunity to have a barbecue in a surprise few days of lovely weather… I’m not as utterly focused I might wish at this point.

    I’ve been bemused by news that Trump must fail coming out atthe same time as Hillary’s health looks ever more fragile and the legal clouds ever more ominous. It’s a real nailbiter.

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  18. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    It is good to see you, Han!
    As for Hillary, if Mike Cernovich is correct, we are in big touble. She should not be running. Any way, it is a long time to November.
    That was a superb post.

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  19. Hey Han good to see you! Hopefully some of the other old j4g posts can come live here in time!

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  20. SFC Ton says:

    This whole thing starts with a fallacy; apex alphas never experienced a shortage of bitches to bang. Ever. Had to display more discretion? Sure. Lack of wet and willing lady parts? Nope not ever.

    Historically women married to powerful men over look their side pieces

    Non apex alphas don’t worry about sexual harassment because chicks love being sexually harassed by them

    What was that SNL skit about sexual harassment ? Don’t be ugly, be Tom Braddy don’t be ugly or some such

    Also non apex alphas weren’t short on side pieces either.

    To many people take Ozy and Harriet version of the 1950’s as gospel and assume that’s how it was even further back in the day.

    Anyrate with such fundamental mistakes….well I can’t take any of the argument serious

    Also feminism has removed a shit ton of beta burdens, leadership burdens and economic burdens from beta

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  21. hansolo007 says:

    Hi Spawny, Fuzzie and RedPillGirl, good to see you and others here. I’d be fine with more of those old posts being put up here if that’s wanted.

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  22. SFC Ton says:

    Thanks Han! I know folks thought I was full of shit but there its. I mostly combined Francis, Sailir and Buchanan. I am not my of an ogrinal thinker but I am better then decent at connecting dots

    The point about more workers is legit, more productivity and cut the value of labor in half…. plus they created a whole new market; working women, working mom’s etc but as I have always maintained Alphas didn’t need any more access to ass

    Good to see you around my man! I hope all is well with you

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  23. Yoda says:

    Forgive you for being the father of Darth Emo we will.
    Good to have you here it is.
    Perhaps write some new posts you might

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  24. Farm Boy says:

    From Dalrock,

    The real problem with the reboot is that it was the stereotypical dreary feminist message. Feminism sells just fine, but the new Ghostbusters was straight from the ministry of feminist entertainment. It was the movie version of the soviet fashion show Wendy’s parodied in their famous commercial. Very few women (and fewer men) want to watch a group of dumpy women in ill fitting ugly jumpsuits and combat boots.


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  25. It’s true women can be very probe to peer pressure from other women. I don’t really like the herd mentality type girls, so I mostly pursue my own thing.

    Just a few weeks ago I had a group of 20 gals who had a party at my place, all in their 20’s, fashionable and good looking, and very much the herd type. So many were giving me the evil eye, for what reason I don’t know bc i had done or said nothing i could think of to get that reaction. Very hostile. I don’t envy guys trying to deal w those types. Yuck. I was glad to see them go…


  26. Open not probe! Oops!


  27. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    At a guess, they were jealous of something. Are you that good looking in person?

    As for the OP, I don’t think that we have fully resorted to the model of a herd of horses. In that model, there is no place for the lesser males. However, we are in a transition.


  28. Ame says:

    herd chicks, when in their herd, do not like it when we don’t follow them. one-on-one they’re usually okay, but they’re mean when in their herdy group.

    i’m sure they didn’t like it that you didn’t care. herd chicks hate it when there’s a woman who doesn’t care … esp when she has the looks, personality, and ability to attract men of any age, like you.

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  29. Yoda says:

    Germany’s elite is going to get a well-deserved one soon as German President Joachim Gauck was booed and attacked in the streets of Sebnitz, Saxony after he blurted out the following unbelievbable statement:

    “The elites are not the problem, the people are the problem.”


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  30. SFC Ton says:

    Women are also very open to being probed

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  31. Ame you are sweet, but they had nothing to fear from me! I am 20+ years older than they. But perhaps they could sense I wasn’t a “herd chick” and didn’t like that. I found them quite pretentious and snotty, really. It was not attractive. But yes they certainly were the “cool girl” clique, in their own minds anyway.

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  32. Ame says:

    Bloom – that’s exactly why they didn’t like you … they know you didn’t WUV them! ADORE them! you weren’t FAWNING over them!

    and to make it worse … you don’t *need* to.

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  33. Yoda says:

    Chick in-herd power dynamics odd it would be


  34. I hadn’t thought of it that way Ame! I don’t do much fawning in general, so they should not take it personally! Lol.


  35. Ame says:

    Ton – that is absolutely true … and if you’re talking to one, and she’s telling you her life’s story, the other girls around her will get jealous and want you to talk to them so they can tell their life’s story, too.

    my Husband laughs with me a lot when i find out stuff about people. i just know how to put people at ease and how to ask questions; it’s amazing what people will tell you – esp if they think you’re important in some way for any reason. and then when i really don’t care to know anything, that can irritate people. but i’m an introvert … when i’m done wanting to talk or gather info, i’m done.

    people are just funny, amusing, intriguing – most of the time 😉 .


  36. Yoda says:

    Perhaps applies to RPG’s herd this does

    Feminism strives to render accurate perception obsolete and replace it with a narrative with which to identify and overcome problems of fiction.”


  37. Yoda says:

    Probably Ton had a different type of “probe” in mind he did

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  38. SFC Ton says:

    LOL Master Yoda is corect….again

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  39. Hey now, if I am not going to fawn over them I am for sure not going to probe them either! Lol!

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  40. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Wrong conclusion I drew.
    Knew more at same age Bloom did than guest herd.
    Guessing I am. Not there I was. Shut up I should.


  41. Ame says:

    well, Yoda, probably so! LOL!

    over my head that went!


  42. SFC Ton says:

    A woman’s life story is more boring then watching paint dry

    You talked to one you’ve pretty much talked to them all

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  43. Ame says:

    i spend a decent amount of time here! lol!


  44. SFC Ton says:

    I don’t know Bear, Bloom is a fine looking woman

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  45. Ame says:

    okay … well … it’s only 31 seconds! hehehe!


  46. SFC Ton says:

    Trying to come up with a list of reasons why women would give some other board the stink eye is like trying to count the grains of sand on a beach

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  47. Yoda says:

    INT Death Stare trumps the “evil eye” it does

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  48. Ame says:

    hahaha! that is truth right there!


  49. SFC Ton says:

    The truth? I am a man. What else would I speak?

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  50. Ame says:

    well, shoot … a little picky tonight are we?! 🙂

    *legit* then 🙂 🙂 🙂


  51. Maybe it was because I didn’t match their dress code? They all wore black, white, and hot pink only. A “Kate Spade” theme. (That’s some designer.) I honestly don’t remember what I was wearing…

    But I am glad I had two helpers that day so I mostly was able to just steer clear of the whole catty deal. And it turned out OK in the end, they were happy.

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  52. Ame says:

    “They all wore black, white, and hot pink only. A “Kate Spade” theme. (That’s some designer.)”

    idk why … perhaps b/c i’m so tire i’m punch-drunk and still have several hours b4 i can go to bed and hopefully aspie girl has a good night so i can sleep all night …

    … but that made me laugh! it’s like a little-girl dress-up princess party for adult women!

    so … Bloom! what kind of dress-up party do you think we should have! 🙂

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  53. Now that you say it Ame, it was kind of like a bunch of little girls at a party. Clap clap clap! (Kidding!)

    The girl who planned the party was the twin of the one it was for. Apparently she had just thrown a baby shower for the organizer that was over the top, so this poor girl was doing her best to give her sister an awesome cool party too, but she was in tears at one point over the pressure. I felt bad for her… I don’t think she was part of the herd either.


  54. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Shut up I should.
    Wrong compliment very dangerous is could be.
    Glad all things finished well.


  55. Ame says:

    ewww … sister jealousy … it’s a cruel burden to carry 😦


  56. Farm Boy says:

    over my head that went!

    Probes are not normally aimed at heads. Though sometimes they are.

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  57. BuenaVista says:

    I was sitting on my dock reading while the F-16s played overhead. Saw the most amazing thing.

    A woman arrived, re-rigged her little sailboat, went sailing, returned, lay down, went swimming to cool off, slept some more on her dock, went swimming again. I watched her sleep. No herd, no phone. Remarkable.

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  58. Ame says:

    if not for my kids, i probably wouldn’t have my phone turned on hardly ever. i’d have it with me just-in-case for emergencies, but it would be turned off. and i prefer silence – no music, tv, etc. i’ll drive for hours in silence before even thinking of turning on music. i do like to read, though … i’m hardly ever without a book or something else to read.

    my aspie girl is always listening to music. unless she’s talking or watching something, she’s listening to music. music ‘entertains’ multiple parts of her brain so she can freely access needed parts to concentrate on things. we were told when she was five years old that she’s really smart, and her brain is doing at least six different things all the time … and that if she ever learns to control all six at the same time, it will be amazing to watch. music helps her do that. i have to slow her down a lot, though … cause my brain often can’t keep up with hers 🙂

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  59. Cill says:

    redpillgirlnotes: “It’s true women can be very probe to peer pressure from other women

    …Open not probe! Oops!”

    Ton: “Women are also very open to being probed”

    Subtlety by the ton Ton.

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  60. Spawny Get says:

    My wife went to Bournemouth for a holiday
    In Dorset?
    Yes, she said it was very nice.


  61. Spawny Get says:

    My wife went to the Caribbean for a holiday
    No, she went of her own volition.


  62. Spawny Get says:

    Just a couple of low qualidy jokes there, I’m just warming up


  63. Spawny Get says:

    Shut the gates! The tumbleweeds are getting out.

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  64. SFC Ton says:

    Hey BV did you pull her number?

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  65. Yoda says:

    What Trump now is aiming for is what he calls “extreme vetting” of potential Muslim immigrants to keep us safe. What does that mean, besides being extra careful and erring on the side of “no”? To begin with, it means not being afraid to profile, something the current administration considers anathema. But Trump was indeed more specific. He cited Sharia law as being incompatible with the Constitution and values of our country, which indeed it is, and said all adherents of Sharia should be kept out. Good.


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  66. Yoda says:

    Milo does say

    Trump’s plan is to introduce a screening process for prospective immigrants to the U.S., testing their ideological commitment to western values like women’s rights, gay rights, and religious pluralism. It’s a brilliant plan. I’m especially inclined to say it’s brilliant because it may have been partly inspired by me.


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  67. Yoda says:

    Spontaneous combustion probably this was,

    Police and rescue services struggled on Monday night to cope as cars were torched in cities across Sweden.



  68. Yoda says:

    If it’s “be a cocky-funny jerk for a short-term fling,” they’ll adjust…at least as much as they can, eventually, after overcoming enormous inertia.

    Wonder how much group transition been there has I do


  69. Yoda says:

    Because women have such an influence not only on what they do but also on what men will do in a sexual free market, the direction and control of the female herd is the most important element that can be focused on to change society.

    Wonder if plans made on this premise were made I do

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  70. I wonder who these apex alpha are? Hugh Hefner? Or are they shadowy behind the scenes types?


  71. SFC Ton says:

    Yes to both
    Long time back I was reading the Forbes richest 400 in the world or some such and they were explaining how they couldn’t really be sure who should be on the list because how extremely good at hiding their wealth ie power, a number of men were. They mentioned a man in South Africa, a guy up in yankee land, couple of hajjis and some Europeans whom they thought were significantly wealthier then Bill Gates (100 billion, US, at the time) but money, power etc where to we’ll hidden to estimate

    But at a certain point it no longer matters because they won’t tangle with each other any which way


  72. Strange. It would seem at some point one would have enough wealth and power that more would seem “too much” but maybe not?

    It’s not a world I have ever lived in or seen, except the yaghts in the marina in the Bahamas that were so over the top, helicopter and all, they didnt even seem real.

    I’ve never put much stock in material things like “the right brands” or “the right car” so I don’t aspire to much more than enough too pay the bills and not worry. Material possessions are so temporary anyway, seems shallow but then again I kinda do my own thing. Other stuff matters to me far more than a certain watch or whatnot.

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  73. hansolo007 says:

    Ton, I’m doing well, thanks. Replying to a few of your points:

    1) Buchanan and others have been right about most of the societal predictions they made. Unfortunately, those with interests in shipping factories overseas and bringing in loads of unskilled and culture-changing immigrants have largely won the battles over the last 50 years. I think a lot of “nice” white people that aren’t racist are finally waking up or soon to wake up to the fact that they may not be racist against others but many of those other races, or powerful leaders/demagogues that stir them up, are racist against them and are bringing a race conflict/war against them.

    2) Ton said: “apex alphas never experienced a shortage of bitches to bang”

    Han: True. But with feminism, independent women, the sexual revolution, birth control, etc. there’s way less shame and obstacles than 100 years ago. So, I would say it’s easier for women to slut it up now than back then and thus easier for top men. There was some study where the grandmother generation had x sexual partners, the mother generation had 2x and the daughter generation had 3x.

    3) Ton: “Non apex alphas don’t worry about sexual harassment because chicks love being sexually harassed by them. What was that SNL skit about sexual harassment ? Don’t be ugly, be Tom Braddy don’t be ugly or some such”

    Han: I agree that top men are much less likely to experience sexual harassment accusations but they still happen. Examples that come to mind are Bill Clinton, Jameis Winston (Heisman trophy winner and now starting NFL QB), Kobe Bryan and others.

    4) Ton: “Also non apex alphas weren’t short on side pieces either.”

    Han: Agree they had them but I think it’s much easier for them to get them now and probably more possible to reach higher numbers since many of the girls who might have wanted to do it 100 years ago would have thought twice (some doing it, others not) whereas today most of the girls that want to just do it. The sluttier girls would have done it a lot back then but the “good” girls probably not as much. Also, with women marrying and staying married more back then most women weren’t having sex with multiple men per year (even if they cheated with say 1 guy in a year or a few over a lifetime). Today, a good portion of single or divorced women will have more than 1 partner a year and double digits over a lifetime.

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  74. hansolo007 says:


    As to whether plans were specifically made to use the female herd characteristics to take over the female narrative and then direct it, or whether it just happened, is hard to say. I think there was definitely some conscious efforts to do so (businessmen who saw they could have cheaper and more labor being in favor and politicians realizing the power of the female voting block) and some non-conscious white knights. But a lot of it was simply the change to a highly prosperous and safe society that gradually wore away at the restrictions that evolved into place over thousands of years before. Because as women don’t need a provider and protector then they become free to follow whatever hypergamous desires they have since there are much fewer consequences (especially short term ones) than 100+ years ago.

    I’m not sure how much transition to cocky jerk boys there’s been but I think there has been some where anecdotally many young men are seeing some/many of the young women slut it up. However, there’s also the recent study that came out saying millennials have less sex (and more virgins) than baby boomers, but part of that may be due to more of them living at home and possibly hypergamy making the less attractive men incels.

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  75. hansolo007 says:

    Bloom, I’d say most if not all are public figures, whether they be top politicians, businessmen, actors, athletes or other categories. Who knows, maybe there is some James Bond villain type that is in the shadows but the vast majority are in the open. I suppose there might be some apex elites who have great influence but stay in the shadows but in order to exercise great power you nearly always become visible in some way or other, even if you avoid the media and the spotlight.

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  76. SFC Ton says:

    Agreed feminism removed the need for alpha cads to be discrete just like it removed the need for women to be discrete

    I think a lot of non racist White folk are going to become racist before long. Up there in yankeeland and negro cop shot a negro suspect and the negros not only riot but really targeting White folks. And that hate crime toward Whites is not rare and it is always covered up. Whites will become racist or replaced

    Well middle class/ working class Whites will. Umc and above are insulated from such going ons

    Hope you stick around Han

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  77. Cill says:

    Re the apex alpha

    I have been in the homes of enormously powerful, wealthy men. Some of it e.g. the security gave me ideas for the design of my own home.


  78. Yoda says:

    Hope that Han Solo stays put here he does


  79. Spawny Get says:

    Yoda, I just sent an invitation to that effect

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  80. “…Agree they had them but I think it’s much easier for them to get them now and probably more possible to reach higher numbers since many of the girls who might have wanted to do it 100 years ago would have thought twice …”

    I think this is true, it’s kind of a slippery slope thing where maybe in the past some of the more “scandalous” women exercised their hypergamy (like courtesans in France) in youth, but in almost all cases the gals ended up paying the price in the end when their admirers moved on and they ended up destitute and alone.

    I have been thinking of Hugh Hefner lately as I watched a documentary on him that had a lot of footage of him in his heyday and even today. Girls who wanted to be his partner were basically forced to accept his rules. In other words he’s going to sample, end of. And the girls were there, chomping at the bit to be a part of his gaggle of girlfriends. Many of those girls have gone on to profit from their association with him, and while they are years away from the point the courtesans of old fell, perhaps the consequences today are not so high as most go on to become trophy wives etc. of other wealthy men.

    Who knows!


  81. hansolo007 says:


    Yes, the media covers up the large amount of black on white crime and plays up any white on black, even if they have to invent white people, like in the case of Trayvon Martin where George Zimmerman, an obvious light-brown looking latino was called white to fit the narrative. With the new race conflict being promoted by Obama and others, and the muslims entering Europe and the US and committing all kinds of assaults and terrorist acts people are waking up, with even some of the leftist race equalists realizing to their utter horror that the people they’ve been championing want to roast them on a spit.

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  82. Spawny Get says:

    “maybe there is some James Bond villain type that is in the shadows”

    Curses! I have been rumbled.

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  83. hansolo007 says:

    @Bloom, look at some of the celebrity women who have been with numerous high-status men. They seem to find someone else. Kim Kardashian for example.

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  84. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    It would seem tha the only ones capable of effecting change would the top tier apex alphas. They are so insulated that the concerns of the ordinary do not affect them. They have lost the concept of noblesse oblige.

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  85. BuenaVista says:

    Nah, Ton, didn’t try. She was wearing a wedding band.


  86. BuenaVista says:


    ‘My ex- has a thing about Anabaptists.’


    ‘Really. It’s a bit out of control: Two Mennonites.’

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  87. And today the warm breezes waft beautiful rose and other scents while the fruit trees droop w their fruit ripe for picking. The bees drift from blossom to blossom, collecting pollen. Do they think of the future, or the past? Or do they revel in the delicious summer moment?

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  88. Or in other words the problems of the world are great and many but so are the beautiful moments…. We can’t “fix” it all but we can enjoy our individual lives… And hopefully by doing and being different we can influence change in the overall… Dare to dream!

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  89. Farm Boy says:

    There is a somewhat new post


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