Agree and Amplify


Agree and amplify is part of techniques that are sold by marketers of Game.  The idea is that when a woman says something about you that might be considered disparaging, agree with it, and furthermore, amplify it.  That is, go even further with it, just to show how ZFG (Zero Fucks Given, a future topic) you are.

In my personal case, I discovered agree and amplify by accident.  Being a ruthlessly logical INT with a killer death stare was the jumping off point.  People would point out some aspect of me that would normally be considered to be a detriment, but in my case, I considered to be a fine feature.  I would run with the intended insult, and then drive the point further.  It always helped that I was big and was clearly competent.

That is a key, one has to be competent to pull this off.  By competent, one means that he has the mixture of confidence, daring, ZFG and ability to make it happen.  The mixture varies per the fella and the context; but when people see it, they know it.  A fella agreeing and amplifying on a matter where he has the wrong mix does not work.  In fact, it makes him look silly.  Perhaps this is one reason that this not easily mastered, as there is no easy way to go from unskilled to skilled in an evolutionary manner.

An example of agree and amplify in action is Donald Trump.  Early in his candidacy he made some what are considered to be politically incorrect statements.  The media jumped on them, with everybody expecting him to withdraw like a normal good Republican would under such circumstances.  Instead of withdrawing, he amplified.  People were amazed.  His popularity increased dramatically.  Everybody knows that political correctness is a bunch of BS, and here was somebody who would say it.  Trump has the right mixture, furthermore his amplifications typically made sense, so it was off to the nomination for him.

If one can pull off agree and amplify as Trump has, then there is much respect to be gained.  By going against the grain in a ZFG manner, people figure that here is a man who can do things.  For many potential voters, that is enough.

Note also that all of this has raised Trump in the standing of many women, even though they might say publicly otherwise.

 

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166 comments on “Agree and Amplify
  1. Moi says:

    Be irrationally confident!

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  2. Yoda says:

    Be irrationally confident!

    Irrationally confident often works it does.
    But also be understated, then amplify also effective it might be

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  3. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    It is easy to see how this could be turned to a humorous end.

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  4. Yoda says:

    What exactly the correct mixture it would be?

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  5. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Yoda,
    Easy enough for an alpha with dark triad traits. Not so easy for someone who cares.

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  6. SFC Ton says:

    The thing about Red Pill and Game is…. they should elevate all aspects of a man’s life.

    Social dominance always pays off

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  7. Moi says:

    Easy to do when you don’t really care about the other person. Not so easy when you do.

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  8. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Lucien Valsan’s talk at he ICMI in London.

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  9. Moi says:

    @FarmBoy:

    If you’d like some other resources for your ZFG post, go check out the “Geezer & The Red Pill” thread in the Inmates section of http://www.advrider.com. You have to register to get to that section, but some of the people there are masters of ZFG & game. “Off The Grid”, or OTG in particular.

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  10. Moi says:

    Because for RP & G (at least to me) you really have to be close to ZFG about the other person. RP to an extent isn’t as hard. But the Game part is. Again, it may just be for me.

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  11. SFC Ton says:

    Zfg is about outcome independence and not any sort of lasking in regard for others

    It’s not “I don’t care for her so I don’t care what she does”

    It is
    “I will be on top of the world regardless of how th his plays out”

    I will say you have a father femcentic/ anti masculine view of Red Pill/ Game

    Neither the red pill, game or zfg are new wisdoms. Those are simply new terms to describe classic masculine mind sets

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  12. Moi says:

    I know that’s what ZFG is. It’s the “Game” part I was really focusing on. I have no problem being outcome independent, I just don’t like “Gaming” someone I GAF about, and have a hard time doing it. In short, I’ll do what I think is right whether or not she agrees with it. I just don’t do well trying to play her in to agreeing.

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  13. SFC Ton says:

    Your issue is with the nature of humanity, women in particular vs Game

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  14. Moi says:

    Maybe. IDK. I don’t have a problem Gaming women. Just the ones I have feelz for. YMMV

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  15. SFC Ton says:

    Women, kids and most men desire leadership and vision

    Game provides both

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  16. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Mega Tarn bait! If this fails, I don’t know what will work.

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  17. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    It has been hard to write a comment on the original post. I want to relate something personal but, it is a little too close to home and will always be painful. Second, the biggest proponent of this is Chateau Heartiste and he has an ego that can’t fit through a doorway. It’s painful to read his stuff because he devoid of humility. In my estimate, that is a clear sign of immaturity.

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  18. Spawny Get says:

    Twernt failure, or ‘female’ athlete hung like a donkey? Science wants to know. Personally I want to see what the female athletes do when the men take all the medals. Popcorn time

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  19. Spawny Get says:

    Moi, I also have no interest in gaming women into anything. You’re allowing a dress-up adult have adult power in a relationship, not happening.Not happening again.

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  20. Is that athlete pic real? :/

    I have been watching Trump closely since his quest to become pouts began and it is true, agree and amplify has worked very well for him. In the face of criticisms that would have most publically apologizing and groveling for approval, he’s just taken it as a chance to almost pole vault his point to the next level. It is highly effective, even though logically it seems like the exact wrong thing to do. Everything just seems to roll off him like water off a duck’s back.

    The agree and amplify and ZFG about his detractor’s opinions doesn’t give the impression that he doesn’t care about anything, in fact it gives the impression that he cares about something much bigger – it gives him almost a Nobel quality… Hard to put it into words. Like he’s above political posturing bc he’s got a bigger goal, and in his case it’s to make America American again. It’s so rare to see anymore that despite some serious clubs that would have sunk others, it instead seems to elevate his stature and reaffirm his leadership quality.

    If you had asked me two years ago if he had a chance in hell of being pouts I would have said no way. He was just some pompus reality tv star, right? no chance! But he’s certainly proven otherwise!

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  21. Spawny Get says:

    I’ll leave this handy

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  22. Spawny Get says:

    RPG, it seems to be real. Are you going for twernt failure as an explanation?

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  23. Twernt failure? Not sure I follow…

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  24. Spawny Get says:

    The twernt…standard term, is it not?

    It’s the bit between a lady’s front bottom and her bottom. If it twernt there everything would just fall out.

    as the image clearly shows

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  25. Ahhh I see…

    Hopefully that’s not her prolapsed uterus? Looks suspiciously penile to me, at a glance, but I am no doctor!

    :/

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  26. Nor do I want to look any closer (shudder!) lol

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  27. SFC Ton says:

    It’s called ‘taint

    ‘Taint pussy and ‘taint ass

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  28. Spawny Get says:

    You say taint, I say twernt. There’s a song in there somewhere

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  29. Ah yes in the US the expression would be ‘taint.

    I suppose there is that upside of the gender identity advances, now b grade male athletes can identify as female and still win the gold in the women’s division?!?!

    Ak. :/

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  30. Speaking of agree and amplify, apparently the ny post published nude pics of Trump’s wife taken when she was 25 (before they met.) his response? “Yep!” And a sly smile.

    Then on twitter came nude pics of obamas mom, she looks quite the tart in comparison. Now that’s something to be embarrassed about!

    Random insomnia musings…

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  31. See for yourself: http://www.bizpacreview.com/2016/07/31/ny-post-publishes-x-rated-photos-melania-trump-obamas-mom-brought-372511

    Shocking. Tsk tsk. Lol. I should be sleeping! I should have taken nude pics at 19! Lol.

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  32. I should be quiet. Shhhhh

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  33. The latest round of agree and amplify: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2016/07/31/politics/donald-trump-khizr-khan-family-controversy/index.html

    Yeesh you would think trump killed him himself by the way this is being played, but of course when he points out it was a radical you know what who did it (bringing things back to point) that’s somehow not ok? Yeesh.

    I really do regret not taking those pics darn it! Lol. Shhhh…

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  34. … “Asked if Trump’s attack on the Khan family is a pivotal moment in the election, Clinton said: “Well, he called Mexicans rapists and criminals. He said a federal judge was unqualified because of his Mexican heritage. He has called women pigs. He has mocked a reporter with a disability.”

    “Ridiculed a POW in John McCain,” Kaine interjected.

    “That’s right,” Clinton said. “And any one of those things is so offensive and then to launch an attack as he did on Capt. Khan’s mother, a Gold Star mother, who stood there on that stage with her husband honoring the sacrifice of their son and who has in the days since spoken out about the overwhelming emotion that any mother would feel as her son was being honored and then to have Trump do what he did, I don’t know where the bounds are. I don’t know where the bottom is.”

    Wow! Notice no mention of Bill’s transgressions or her email snafu while passing judgement! Whatever…

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  35. Btw he’s not for keeping people like their son from immigrating, he’s for keeping people like the ones who killed their son from immigrating. I’d have to say I am w him on that one!

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  36. Spawny Get says:

    If I were a lying corrupt shitbag with a track record of destruction, I don’t think I’d keep raising the issues of lying, corruption and shitbaggery. It invites the production of a mirror. It keeps those issues in potential voters’ minds.

    Obviously that’s not aimed anywhere in particuhillary, I’m just saying.

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  37. Yoda says:

    The result of swimming in the Rio waters this is

    OTOH pole vault call it the do

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  38. Moi says:

    Did he actually attack the mom? Or just say that she had nothing to say?

    Maybe the bounds and where the bottom is, is in attacking the 22y/o who sucked your husbands dick in the Oval Office.

    Hypocrites!

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  39. BuenaVista says:

    A&A is useful far beyond Game.

    My small town has grossly overbearing cops. The other night I couldn’t sleep; I usually get up and go for a walk or drive downtown and sit and watch the quiet of 3 am. So I did, sitting with coffee and a repurposed whiskey bottle filled with tap water. Of course a young female officer stopped by (they have a daily quota of 10 ‘contacts’). She started in on her checklist (public intox? Pot? Vagrancy? You could just see her little mind lusting for a bust.). Then, frustrated, she saw the water/whiskey bottle.

    ‘Wait, what’s that?’

    Without thinking I blurted, ‘100% grain alcohol!’. This got her all fired up.

    I did hand it to her to smell and she went away.

    Sat night I was out again, same time. She was walking her beat and just smiled and kept moving.

    I have yet to get her phone number, however. Currently taking a break from the SMP.

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  40. BuenaVista says:

    A & A would have no purpose if women didn’t reflexively shit test. The alternative is to get defensive, argue (which is counter productive) or sulk and become avoidant. None of those are a good look.

    I didn’t know what A & A was until 3-4 years ago. I was just another guy in search of a unicorn who would just love me for my pure heart and noble intentions. Hahahahaha.

    ‘You’re so bossy!’ A recent flame opined. (Like most of my friends, she is used to being in charge, and she’s married two betas as a result. Oddly, she finds that an unsatisfying situation.). She was shirtless at the time. I was in the process of broadening her horizons. She was out of her comfort zone and defaulting to the shaming/Don’t be a bully feminist talking point.

    ‘Isn’t it great?!!!’ I replied.

    I suppose I could have said, ‘I wish you wouldn’t speak to me that way, geez it hurts my feelings.’

    But then I probably wouldn’t have completed my lesson plan.

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  41. Spawny Get says:

    When I were younger I had a disconcerting tendency to explain. I’m still only interested in honest conversation. I’ll still explain if I believe that the question is honest, otherwise I troll or ignore. It’s too hard to discriminate the honestly thick from the mentally deficient idiotlog these days. Even in the honest but thick the stupidity runs too deep to correct. If they were looking to dummify the peeps they’ve succeeded beyond any dream.

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  42. BuenaVista says:

    Men shit test, too, of course. I also am in a hiatus from the bar, mostly,, but one of the places I go is a kind of de facto men’s club. Its owned by a retired guy of the Ton professional persuasion (broken down trained killer).

    Others include a football coach, the mayor, a college athletic director, a couple of business owners, guys like that. They are all married and domesticated tho so they needle me nonstop about my social life. They’ve witnessed me get Professor Fluid Gender’s phone number, and another time leave the scene with a gaggle of five college girls. They never stop giving me shit, and are always probing on a subject I do not discuss publicly. The quickest way to shut them up is to A & A their panting inquiries. It too is a better look than getting huffy or defensive.

    I wish I’d learned this stuff 30 years ago. Humor is always a better rejoinder to life’s perpetual shit tests.

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  43. Moi says:

    If you’re not ready to write about it here, I suggest that you consider writing about it somewhere. Even if it a .doc that you just keep on your computer.

    Something really painful happened in my life about 6 years ago, and I’ve written about it over and over. Reading back through it has helped me. It still hurts, but I’ve been able to let some of it go instead of just bottling it all up.

    The thing about compartmentalizing and bottling up things, is that the pressure just grows.

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  44. BuenaVista says:

    Good conversation is the key to my heart, as well, Spawny. I used to even tell women that, under the assumption they would take heed and act accordingly.

    Mrs Smith gave me the best conversation I’ve experienced in life. She facetimed me the other day from her new shithole posting (Hello, NSA!). She expressed sorrow at our separation and we spoke for an hour. Magnificent.

    Then she shit tested me for not joining her. It. Just. Never. Ends.

    I think the fitness testing is superfueled by open hypergamy, and the notion modern women have that someone, somewhere got a ‘better man”. But I’ve said enough for one day.

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  45. SFC Ton says:

    Ain’t no money but ho money and I have all my ho’s on the road

    That’s Game and Red Pill applied outside the SMP in action

    I’m trying to get out of the bar business. Money is good but it’s a major pain in the ass. I came, I saw, I conquered. Time to do something new and without business partners I have to game like school girls. Like to roll that money into a u-haul center

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  46. Spawny Get says:

    smirk

    incorporating it’s not fucking rocket science monthly 😉

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  47. mgtowhorseman says:

    Jesus RPG!!!! Should warned us about the pic of Killery in a bathing suit. Thanks for the brain bleach!!!! ugh.

    http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/politics/grenier-canada-us-election-1.3699457

    I am ashamed of my country. Then again The Justin spent the weekend flouncing at Vancouvers Gay Pride Parade.
    Next week….Sudbury’s.

    Fuz. Its because you care. Not about the other person but because of what they think of you.

    I have ZFG at work all the time. The Collective Agreement says x so NO. Not that I don’t understand you as a person but the outcome is predefined. Doesn’t matter what I feel as the CA defines.

    RPGs comment about higher purpose defines it. So many managers dont want to ZFG re LTC beds. But the old man….
    My job is to run the facility so in the most heartbreaking situations I have to put the greater good of 500 staff and 300 residents first. The long view allows me to turn away someone, or release someone to home care so a more critical patient gets in.

    Being ZFG on Everything is either depressed or sociopathic. Its about WHAT you are ZFG about.

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  48. mgtowhorseman says:

    Spawny

    Nurse at work friday…”How can you eat pizza at lunch and drink pop and look like that. I drink water and eat lettuce and look like this.”

    I smirked “because I can” and pointed to the pic of the ponies on the wall. She didnt get it.

    Farm requires oh idano…walking, lifting, lugging, digging, shovelling…alot. Especially without equipment.
    But the side benefit is I dont even think about it.

    Went to the gym with a buddy at lunch (havent gone in years.) He was doing the walk up and down thing with a 30 lb barbell in each hand. He was straining.

    I go up grab two 50s and all but run down the lane. Keep in mind I am tall and lanky 6-1 180. He was WTF?
    “I do that every morning of my life…twice over 200 metres to feed the ponies. No big.”

    Modern life is to easy. tbe 1% want to go to the gym and will. The rest will be fat. Unless life requires them to move.

    Hmmm. Ton. Wanna take the bar profits and open a fat peoe scooter franchise? Its a goldmine!

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  49. I hear storage units are the way to go. A couple I know who has RV storage place say they make 30k a month on 5 acres. Most people park them and never return but their auto charges carry on monthly!

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  50. Yoda says:

    Disagree and amplify she did

    Hillary Clinton is getting hammered for saying on “Fox News Sunday” that FBI Director James Comey confirmed her statements on her email scandal were “truthful” – with one prominent fact-checker giving the claim four “Pinocchios.”

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/08/01/clinton-fact-checked-on-truthful-claim-in-email-scandal.html

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  51. Yoda says:

    Second, but much harder to see or understand, Hillary Clinton is thoroughly compromised by the Russians (or the Chinese, or the Iranians, or all of them). Deny the testimony of expert witnesses like former CIA Acting Director Mike Morell or Rudy Guiliani if you want, or the implications of the distribution of DNC emails via the WikiLeaks front, but just know everything she sent and received on her security-free “private” server is in the hands of the bad guys.

    The influence they will have over her and all of her cyberassociates as a result will be complete even if unknown to the folks being worked and watched.

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/its-the-supreme-court-stupid/article/2598256

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  52. BuenaVista says:

    When Assange releases the Benghazi mission emails, which show why we set up consulate 80 miles from a shooting war, she’ll have and greater reasons to lie.

    To be fair, she’s probably looking forward to it. She’s probably bored with the simple challenge of lying about criminal investigation s and rape, and needs the challenge of lying about covert, strategic activities.

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  53. Spawny Get says:

    I think this is a reasonable assessment of an ongoing situation that you may not be aware of
    http://reaction.life/has-ukip-had-it/

    Since the Brexit vote, and the resignation of the party’s messiah, Nigel Farage, UKIP has done a good impersonation of the Popular Front of Judea routine from Monty Python’s Life of Brian. The campaign to succeed Nigel Farage has descended into factional infighting that is especially confusing because most of the names involved are known only to their own families and the small band of young UKIP-types who drink around Westminster. Steven (Stephen?) won’t be able to stand because he couldn’t get his computer to work to deliver his nomination form. Someone else connected to Steven may be flung out. Another person wants someone else expelled. Meanwhile, the forces of Mr Shadowy Donor pledge a scorched earth war on every other faction if they don’t get what they want, or something. Honestly. This leadership clash is not exactly JFK v Nixon. Appearances are deceptive, however. The shambles matters a lot for the future shape of British politics, and helps explain Theresa May’s pitch for the “left behind by gloabalisation” vote.

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  54. SFC Ton says:

    Horseman @315
    Legit. Tough decisions are about realizing we live in a finite world, the whole operation
    and not one member

    Thanks for the suggestions; all I know is I don’t want to be fully invested in trucking and the garage/ car lot. I dont want to live and die in one industry. The bar is a money maker and could keep the whole Ton Crew fed if needs be, and the kind of folds who keep it packed in the warmer months are not effected by recessions and such. Maybe I should move horses…. horse people spend retarded money but yes right now I want a uhaul center. I know an old lady who nets like 4k a month on less than 12 items.

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  55. Cill says:

    There’s nothing new or original about Game. All this pursuit puts women on a higher pedestal. If you have to be taught ZFG, you’ve forgotten your gender. Game courses produce acolyte meat for rejection by the precious princesses. Get a life.

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  56. Cill says:

    I suppose you could say I’m arguing ZFG, which is Game. All right, stop giving a fuck.

    BTW there are bodies way better than Trump’s wife’s. We should give a fuck about that.

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  57. Spawny Get says:

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  58. BuenaVista says:

    Cill’s advice is to disregard the wenches. That’s fine and certainly effective.

    I enjoy having dinner with the same woman every night, among other things with the same woman every night. So the challenge is dealing with them.

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  59. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Something to watch to counteract that horrible image earlier. She is considered a national treasure, judging by the background music.

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  60. Cill says:

    Ton depending on your acreage, I’ve heard Paintball makes good profit, unless someone else is already doing it in your area.

    I’ve seen blokes stalking around on paintball terrain sites here, conspicuous as a dog’s balls. Bloody funny to watch.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paintball

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  61. Cill says:

    BV I do enjoy myself with women, but if it’s any sort of drama or she expects money or effort I give it a miss. That’s what I mean when I say I really don’t give a fuck. It was one of you maybe thedeti who said if the women of today want to be more than that (a fuck) they have to make the effort.

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  62. BuenaVista says:

    I have a friend who owns the local U Haul franchise. One minimum wage person at the desk, not too many hassles. Franchise fees, tho.

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  63. BuenaVista says:

    They do make the effort. But they cycle between tearful effort and haha I’m a bitch girl. Very strange. Nothing like this until 10-15 years ago.

    You see this online with all the *Well I’M certainly not like that.* Except they’re all divorced, aren’t they.

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  64. Cill says:

    Tears and bitch don’t amount to much of an effort BV. It has to produce something of value for the man.

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  65. BuenaVista says:

    Gosh, fuzzie, that’s so great, watching a needle athlete prance around. So sexy! So impressive! That chick is eating so much testosterone her dipilatory specialist is on speed-dial. I’m worried that the risk of exposure might be troubling her. Do you think there’s anything we can do for the poor dear?

    Excluding rubbing out tributes. Those all belong to Scar!ett.

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  66. BuenaVista says:

    Sure, agreed, but that’s only visible after years. And that describes the conundrum, the risk, and the reason we’re single.

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  67. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Spawny Get,
    Given Buena Vista’s comment at 8:51pm, I can’t make one comment without being directly insulted. It is time to get real, Buena Vista is not here to add to the discussion.

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  68. SFC Ton says:

    Thanks Cill but that’s well covered here. One of the big names in paintball is just down the road. Plus it’s like a weird version of my old job catering to wannabes. That would drive me nuts

    The Ton digs that Russian broad. I like athletic chicks. A little mouthy but they can take a grudge fucking

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  69. BuenaVista says:

    Gosh, fuzz, I thought it was more your style to make 38 comments. Data would support me, incidentally.

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  70. thedeti says:

    I think part of the reason A & A worked so well with Trump in a political campaign is because people, especially die hard rock ribbed Republicans and paleocons, were sick to fucking death of “their” politicians rolling over and showing what huge pussies they are. Trump wouldn’t do that, refused to do it, told everyone to fuck off, and went back to doing and saying what he wanted.

    The reason McCain, Lindsey Graham, Mark Kirk, Eric Cantor, John Boehner, Paul Ryan, et al won’t do any of that is because they are beholden to special interests who fill their campaign coffers and otherwise help them get reelected/advance their political agendas. (Boehner — that guy is such a crybaby — he should just go get some ointment for his vagina.)

    The only other guy who I can think of who pulled off A & A, unabashed masculinity, was Ronald Reagan. Tony Snow did it when he was a press secretary for Bush II, sometimes. That sort of “straight talk” was uncommon for people who routinely had to be spokesmen for a president. They had to bob, weave, dodge, parry, double talk, deflect, etc. Snow could do that, but he just preferred to tell Helen Thomas and Sam Donaldson to, politely, fuck off.

    It was refreshing to see Trump tell the establishment and SJWs to go fuck themselves. It’s what these middle America cons and Repubs have been dying to see . It’s what they say to people who they think are trying to screw them over or pull the wool over their eyes. They want so badly to see someone, anyone, stand up for what they believe — especially after their own party has sold them down the river so many times and has compromised and caved so many fucking times. To them, if Trump does compromise, at least he hoisted the middle finger to the liberals while doing so.

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  71. thedeti says:

    Trump is an asshole. Even his supporters think he’s an asshole. But, the way Trump supporters see it, at least Trump is honest about being an asshole. At least with Trump, what they see is what they’ll get.

    On the off chance he’s elected, Trump will have to compromise. He’ll win some and he’ll lose some. And he’ll go to his base, and tell them the fucker Dems are pussies and retards, and he’ll promise to fight for them, and they’ll love him for it.

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  72. thedeti says:

    Last comment….

    Trump is an asshole. But Hillary is a psychopath, a reflexive liar, a tinhorn dictator, and probably suffering from debilitating seizures.

    Assholes are assholes, but they can still get shit done. Asshole for President!

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  73. mgtowhorseman says:

    Ton. Used to play competitive paintball. all my squad were multi tour soldiers. in two competions we were eliminated as ringers cause the score was 20 to 2. I.e. we eliminated their entire team with only suffering two hits. And not by using much tactics just not diving for cover. Newbs couldnt hit shit. But after a while it was too easy and frustrating. Sure a goldmine but babysitting pussies all day. Fuck.

    Horse trailering yes. Cost me 900 to trailer one pony less than 400 km. Again learn to deal with the specialest of special snowflakes…the horsey princess. Literally the Daddy buy me a pony crowd.

    Deti. Agreed. Trump aint much as a diplomat or even overly smart just not beholden. Wish John McCain in his heyday had trumps money. He can Afford to speak his mind. Bahner is the pussy of pussies.

    RPG….about time….kidding. 🙂

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  74. mgtowhorseman says:

    Cill.

    Agreed. I enjoy women especially the mrs but from a mgtow perspective I.e. I do my shit and if she wants to come along great but if not I aint changing. If she disappeared I would not replace her. Maybe have a few to look at, maybe a once a month dinner companion but thats about it.

    Pure never deal with women at all in any way mgtows are the radical element like in any philosophy. the average is nust getting by in their life. in the case of mgtow doing as they see fit and in no way even considering the female perspective. If you obsess about hurt or avoidance of females you are as tied as any blue piller. you are living as reaction to them.

    Do agree with a recent Chateau article..maybe today. too many mgtow use it as an excuse not to live or improve. why bother if not appreciated.

    because its for you dumbass. its so you appreciate it. because you want to do it. to try and feel the reward of excellence for its own sake. The only opinion in the world I give a fuck about….IS MINE.

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  75. mgtowhorseman says:

    http://www.returnofkings.com/91186/4-ways-to-stop-being-a-mgtow

    Not all.of it but the stop having a loser mentality.

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  76. Ame says:

    Spawny Get says:
    1 August, 2016 at 9:57 am

    Brainbleach – that’s hilarious!!!!!!!

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  77. Ame says:

    Spawny Get says:
    1 August, 2016 at 1:18 pm
    When I were younger I had a disconcerting tendency to explain. I’m still only interested in honest conversation. I’ll still explain if I believe that the question is honest, otherwise I troll or ignore. It’s too hard to discriminate the honestly thick from the mentally deficient idiotlog these days. Even in the honest but thick the stupidity runs too deep to correct. If they were looking to dummify the peeps they’ve succeeded beyond any dream.

    _______

    L.O.L!!!!!!!

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  78. Ame says:

    BuenaVista says:
    1 August, 2016 at 1:34 pm

    “the notion modern women have that someone, somewhere got a ‘better man”.”

    ——-

    oh.my.word. that is truth right there.

    want to watch women compete? listen to them try to one-up each other when talking about their man. and then they encourage one another saying, “You *deserve* THE BEST!”

    the easiest way i’ve found to stop that is to agree with her that her man is ‘all that’ and more. takes out the competition.

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  79. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Horseman,
    I read that post from RoK and it came off as a lot of shaming. Two years ago, after the first Men’s Conference, I had hope that men could politically unite. Then, Paul Elam had to do a video, which I can’t seem to find, that tore into MGTOW for no good reason. The guys at RoK are up to as much. Men are becoming immune to shame. While there are an awful lot of very young men going MGTOW, I believe they have seen an awful at second hand and know that they’ll hit a dry spell that will last into their mid 30s when they’re wanted as beta bucks husbands. Those guys at RoK are fine with the AF side of things. They just don’t want to be targeted as BB.

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  80. Ame says:

    anytime you agree with someone who’s looking to be argumentative or destructive in some form, you take the argument and fight out of them.

    amplifying it spits it back at them.

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  81. mgtowhorseman says:

    Fuzz. agree most of Chateua and RoK is very assholeish pua purspective. And much is shaming.

    But I gotta agree with the theme of don’t retreat into a monk like existence of avoidance and butthurt.

    Just go and do your thing, whatever IT is. Because YOU want to. Dont live FOR, Because Of, To Avoid or Around anyone. DO FOR YOU.

    Some men, the monks in my TAOIST teme live very simple lives trying to define their devine. Great. Its there thing. I can spend days in the bush, just me, a pony and a dog. Some guys immerse in thier workshops. All are isolated. All do not involve women. Fine. Great.

    But the avoiding women is a BYPRODUCT not the motivation.
    Doing for or against anyone. Male, female, boss, spouse, politician, clergy, fill in the blank….it is to abandon Your ONE LIFE…yes one….for the actions of another.

    The only exception is raising children but even there you raise them, you dont live for them.

    You get One shot at life. It is gone so suddenly.
    It can be over next minute. Go Fucking Live It.

    That is all I am saying. MGTOW living to avoid females is as bad as feminists living to hate men or puas living to use women. Its all living For someone else.

    I live for ME. It happens to combine some aspects of MGTOW, Taoism, Libertarianism, Simple Living and Luddite. But those are byproducts or ideas not driving forces to Avoid living my life my way.

    No one should shame anyone. But I am rather dismayed by the hopelessness and adrift I see in much of the MGTOW community.

    p.s. I have been clinically dead twice so I know of what I speak. You get one sweet short ride.

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  82. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Horseman,
    I think the only way men can turn this around is to stop feeding the beast of feminine arrogance. It’ll take a while because they are the daring of business for their reputation to consume.
    As for felling good about this life, something valuable was stolen from me and ALL authority has condoned it.

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  83. @ Horseman, I get what you are saying, contentment. If one chooses to forgo women, do so because you are living life fully otherwise, not to do so and then pine away in lack, or hate, or bitterness as some mtgow do (nobody here, just in general). I have had periods in life where I could have been with “someone” just not to be alone, but I choose not to. I choose “better alone than with someone who would eventually bring misery.” And during those times I poured myself into other pursuits and lived fully and did not focus on my relationship status. Even now, it does not define me. I think that’s what you are saying?

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  84. On the flipside, I know women who can NOT be without a man. CANNOT. No matter how bad he is, what the cost is, what the pain is. It’s NOT GOOD. Not healthy.

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  85. I too find Chateau Heartiste and ROK harsh at times, and I don’t agree 100%, but there is also a harshness to it that is truth, what is being said needs to be said. Isn’t being said anywhere else. There’s value there, if one reads with a grain of salt or a thick skin.

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  86. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Bloom,
    These “friends” of yours had no problem finding someone.

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  87. True fuzzie but true it was far from the real deal. They were the male equivelant of the five time divorced bar fly. Not really a catch. Worse than nobody at all. Much worse. Destructively worse.

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  88. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Bloom,
    At least they had the option. As far as finding the real deal, how many times have they taken a pass on it?
    By the way, five time divorced women are pretty common here. They aren’t barflies. Some of them go to church.

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  89. Wow they go to church? I would not expect that!

    Anyway these guys I am referring to are usually some collection of alcoholics, mental health issues, employment issues, stability issues, etc. NOT good relationship picks by any means. And yet pick them these gals do… I don’t get it myself. Maybe they are passing over good guys or maybe good guys see that and run? Not sure…

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  90. Also guys like that tend to be out trolling all the time, and some are pretty good at seeming normal, although others go w the “train wreck draws them in” approach too. I am sure there is a female equivelant. Both are best avoided. Solo is better than being w either version of that IMHO.

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  91. Ame says:

    Fuzzie –
    “As for felling good about this life, something valuable was stolen from me and ALL authority has condoned it.”

    that sucks. i’m sorry 😦

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  92. Ame says:

    “Wow they go to church? I would not expect that!”

    Bloom – Fuzzie’s right on this one.

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  93. @ fuzzie what sorts of hobbies and things do you do? Do you get out much? Mingle? Not that it’s my biz but you seem like a really nice guy… I hope you are happy and live a full life despite the present smp/mmp cluster we all face. In some ways sitting it all out seems more sane than jumping into the shark pit :/

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  94. In many ways actually…

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  95. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Bloom,
    The five time divorcee that went to church was one of the last of my OkDupid dates. She wanted no sex until marriage and wanted the engagement to last a year.
    The next on I dated was also a five time divorcee but, at least, she was Wiccan. It never went any further than meeting for lunch. She had to take care of her mother.

    Ame,
    It’s not just me. All men are in that boat. But, thank you.

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  96. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Bloom,
    There is little incentive,

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  97. SFC Ton says:

    Men are harsh so a forum for men should be insensitive. Hell that’s so basic a woman picked up on it.

    If a man wants sensitivity he should go read Oprah; sensitivity is what got men into this mess. More of the same never gets different resluts

    While I support MGTOW, their online persona sucks ass. Generally it projects a weak, loser’ish front. Which isn’t appealing to anyone but men who want to waller in misery

    Never compliance, never explain, do. No one is due an explanation on how you interact or not with women and the world

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  98. Spawny Get says:

    The smoking gun

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  99. Spawny Get says:

    “p.s. I have been clinically dead twice so I know of what I speak. You get one sweet short ride.”

    To paraphrase a great line from The importance of being Earnest
    To die once might be regarded as misfortune, to die twice looks like carelessness

    @4:35

    Though the clip in its entirety is a glimpse into how things used to be done. When young flibbertigibbet women were not entrusted with making their own decisions…Your Glorious Patriarch shall not be commenting on the wisdom of that… :0

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  100. Spawny Get says:

    Old style bitchfight 😉

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  101. Stephanie says:

    Fuzzie, what’s your email? If you want to comment on my blog and leave it in the fill-in section of commenting (where it’s hidden) I have something to send you.

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  102. mgtowhorseman says:

    Spawny.
    Electrical short in my heart. It just stops. No heart attack just stops. for shits and giggles. First time I was 36. second time 42. Just flatlines cause…. must be the Microsoft upgrade. So I could drop dead typing.

    RPG. Bingo.
    Ton. Yup. Just go out and live.

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  103. I knew there was more to the story…they guy has been Clinton’s hired gun for years! Interesting… Wonder if that will get much press?

    https://www.google.com/amp/www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/08/01/just-joking-media-apoplectic-khizr-khan-attack-donald-trump-goes-flames/amp/

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  104. Yoda says:

    Which more appealing it is?

    Click on link for Tarn bait one could.
    Much oversharing there is

    http://heatst.com/politics/hillary-clinton-mural-swimsuit-gets-burqa-makeover-after-govt-claims-its-offensive/

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  105. Yoda says:

    The 15th issue of Dabiq, published on July 31, is titled “Break The Cross” and appears to be primarily directed at those that ISIS considers its enemies, particularly Christians. One section is devoted to the words and actions of Pope Francis and is headlined “In The Words Of Our Enemies.” An editorial titled “Why We Hate You and Why We Fight You” takes aim at Westerners and “apostate ‘Imams’ in the West” who refuse to define ISIS’ motivation as being Islamic. ISIS calls this rhetoric purely political.

    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/08/01/isis-details-why-hate-in-new-magazine.html

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  106. Yoda says:

    NEW figures have revealed that Vote Leave under-estimated the amount of money demanded by the EU from the UK each week by £26 million.

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/695516/UK-was-billed-by-EU-MORE-26m-WEEK-350-bus-cost

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  107. Yoda says:

    Wonder where the parents are I do,

    It looks like Malia was just there to enjoy the music and dancing. And boy, did she ever enjoy the dancing. She was caught on camera twerking and flipping up the shirt she had tied around her waist, revealing her short shorts, while she partied with some of her girlfriends during the Mac Miller concert.

    https://pjmedia.com/lifestyle/2016/07/31/malia-obama-caught-on-video-twerking-and-flashing-the-crowd-a-lollapalooza/

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  108. Yoda says:

    Gender and skiing

    “This article examines how skiing landscapes are constructed as masculinized spaces,” states the abstract for Memorial University of Newfoundland assistant professor Mark C. J. Stoddart’s piece titled “Constructing masculinized sportscapes: Skiing, gender and nature in British Columbia, Canada.

    [A]ccording to Stoddart, ski slopes are places “for performing athletic, risk-seeking masculinity,” and “less risky areas of the skiing landscape may be interpreted as ‘gender-neutral’ or feminized space.” Honestly, to me, Stoddart’s insinuation that risk-taking is a man’s thing is what really seems sexist here — but he insists that it’s the ski slopes that are the problem, and that “the social construction of sport landscapes shapes gendered power relations.” “Through skiing, participants construct the meaning of gender and place, privileging masculinized versions of the sport,” the abstract continues.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/438582/academic-article-ski-slopes-are-sexist

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  109. Yoda says:

    “The Big Lie” started it has,

    Sparks flew on MSNBC’s AM Joy Sunday as host Joy Reid shouted down Amy Kremer, former Chair of Tea Party Express, for daring to mention there are roughly 30,000 missing e-mails from Hillary Clinton’s personal server. “You just invented it an entire thing,” Reid shouted, “There’s no 33,000 e-mails that are going to harm our national security.” From there Reid refused to let Kremer speak anymore. And when Kremer asked to finish her point, “Not if you’re going to invent things,” Reid reprimanded her

    http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/nicholas-fondacaro/2016/07/31/joy-reid-shouts-down-guest-inventing-fact-33000-hillarys-e

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  110. Yoda says:

    For some odd reason Moi’s comments end up in spam bucket they do

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  111. Moi says:

    A friendly warning. Most cops are damaged goods. Almost all female cops are even more damaged. Was married to one, and have been hurt by a few others. They are very fun, at least until the Real Crazy starts to show.

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  112. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Yoda,
    The burqa is a definite improvement.

    Spawny Get,
    I can see Hillary being just that petty and leaving a paper trail to follow.

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  113. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    SFCTon,
    It is curious how many self assessed alphas balk at hearing their beta counterparts complain about the status quo. Given that the 80/20 rule serves them so well, it is no wonder they are so quick to respond with put downs. Can’t have all these betas leaving the plantation. Some t=of the alphas would have to cough up beta bucks.

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  114. Yoda says:

    A new post there is

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  115. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Another thought. Given the sheer volume of beta bashing and shaming in comment threads in the manosphere, it’s obvious these self styled alphas are promoting themselves at someone else’s expense. They are making enemies of honest men.

    One of the best stories I have ever heard was from William Manchester. He told how John Wayne got booed out of a hospital tent on Guadalcanal. So much for faux masculinity.

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  116. SFC Ton says:

    Beta bashing? Get real. I see guys bashing whiney bitches but not betas in general

    Alphas…. why the alpha hate? They don’t make your life miserable, no one makes our life miserable, you make your life miserable

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  117. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    How about more? Keep it Up! Let us all see the what is inside an alpha.

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  118. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Ton,
    I had thought to offer an olive branch. In the last couple of weeks, it hasn’t been so bad. However, I reread your last comment. The answer to the second part is in the the first part of your comment.

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  119. Sumo says:

    The first display of the presence of a spine that we’ve ever seen from you would have been more impressive if you hadn’t been demanding a “safe space” upthread.

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  120. SFC Ton says:

    What I wrote above is Stoicism 101 Fuzzie and applies to all men at all points in history

    The world is as it is but we control how we react to it, ie Frame. We elect to be miserable. To waller in selfpity, defeat etc and we can elect to work harder, or enjoy other areas of life instead of the areas we struggle in

    Alphas experience all sorts of ups and downs, including tons of rejection from women, but Frame and sense of self is maintained (or reestablished) over and over again

    I’ve lost track of the number of men who said they would try to help you, and you turn it down. That’s on you. It’s all on you, just like my attitude in life is all on me.

    As for the man spheres in general dogging out betas….. well Farm Boy and Deti call themselves betas, and they are respected posters everywhere I’ve read. Same for a number of old school man o sphere guys who no longer post often.

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  121. Spawny Get says:

    Hmm, this is a bit odd. I made a comment earlier that’s disappeared without trace (I was in a rush so I didn’t wait to see it rendered, perhaps I fucked up).

    The comment was

    Can we all move on please

    If this place isn’t delivering all that you want then I have no problem with people commenting elsewhere as well. This is not an invitation for anyone to leave. Some people seem to be stuck at the grieving stage, a stage that is natural in itself, but it’s not a very healthy place to remain for the medium term, let alone the long term.

    I’d like this place to continue to be a place that encourages people to look for a way forward in their lives, or just paste amusing BS from elsewhere, or just be interesting.

    I’m not taking sides, I’m not criticising anyone, but please can we forget about the hatchet? We can bury it later if we need to (in the ground).

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  122. Spawny Get says:

    And thanks for that reasonable tone, Ton (@11:08). That’s the kind of brotherhood that I think that the world is sorely lacking; reaching out to a fellow man with positive advice and goodwill.

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  123. BuenaVista says:

    People who hijack blogs, because other people don’t pay enough attention to them, need to start their own.

    He won’t because that’s a) work; and b) no one of any interest would follow. Sartre noted that ‘hell is other people.’ (“Huis Clos”.) That may or may not be true. We do know that other people are not emotional tampons, and tire of being treated like one.

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  124. Spawny Get says:

    Moving on…

    Not bad. Not the old style that I liked (How to make a man bomb etc), but a highly acceptable middle way between appealing to women and fist in the face.

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  125. Tarnished says:

    Fuzzie,

    My email is acting up, so I haven’t been able to message you these past 2 days. Sorry for that. But I would still like to meet you this week if you’re okay with it. I still have enough money to get us a proper lunch, so no worries there.

    I’ll try again to contact you via email later today.

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  126. Spawny Get says:

    Perhaps if you wore your favourite Slave-Girl Leia outfit?

    Just to ease the recognition of the other, obviously.

    Fuzzie’s outfit would be clearly be a Chewie one.

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  127. Yoda says:

    Obama-Clinton have single-handedly destabilized the Middle East, handed Iraq, Libya and Syria to ISIS, and allowed our personnel to be slaughtered at Benghazi. Then they put Iran on the path to nuclear weapons. Then they allowed dozens of veterans to die waiting for medical care that never came.

    Hillary Clinton put the whole country at risk with her illegal email server, deleted evidence of her crime, and lied repeatedly about her conduct which endangered us all. They released criminal aliens into our country who killed one innocent American after another — like Sarah Root and Kate Steinle — and have repeatedly admitted migrants later implicated in terrorism. They have produced the worst recovery since the Great Depression. They have shipped millions of our best jobs overseas to appease their global special interests. They have betrayed our security and our workers, and Hillary Clinton has proven herself unfit to serve in any government office.

    She is reckless with her emails, reckless with regime change, and reckless with American lives. Our nation has been humiliated abroad and compromised by radical Islam brought onto our shores. We need change now.

    https://m.facebook.com/DonaldTrump/posts/10157423383850725

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  128. thedeti says:

    Fuzzie:

    I wholeheartedly second what Ton said at 11:08 today and at 2:01 yesterday.

    What I see from your comments is that you’ve been at pretty much the same place for at least a year now. You don’t seem to want to do anything differently from the way you’ve done it before.

    Due respect to Tarn and the ladies who are frequent posters here, I don’t think they have much to offer you except more of the same pampering, coddling and “there theres” you’ve received before. Sometimes a man needs a swift kick in the ass to get him moving again. Sometimes that comes from himself. Sometimes from others. What I, and Ton, and BV to an extent, have been trying to do is give you that kick. But you just complain about the kicking.

    You need men to tell you what’s what and who’s who. Our female contingent, while well-meaning and kind, will not get you moving again.

    Look, if we don’t do the cyber kicking, someone else will do it in real life, and it won’t be nearly as pleasant. That often comes in the form of lost jobs, lost opportunities, lost friends, lost lovers, and lost sex partners.

    Your choice. Stay where you are and settle for what you’ve always gotten; or try something different and get the chance for something better.

    Up to you.

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  129. Yoda says:

    In an interview published Friday, Roberts said the debate over gender diversity in the advertising industry was “over” and he spent “no time” thinking about the issue at Publicis, thanks to its 50-50 gender split, adding that the company had “never had a problem.”

    Roberts also suggested that many female and male creatives did not take top leadership roles because they simply wanted to be happy and “do great work.”

    http://www.businessinsider.com/saatchi-and-saatchi-chairman-kevin-roberts-has-resigned-2016-8

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  130. Yoda says:

    Perhaps if you wore your favourite Slave-Girl Leia outfit?

    Bust loose upon the town she would

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  131. Spawny Get says:

    “thanks to its 50-50 gender split”

    meaning that they’re obsessed beyond obsession and packed to the brim with diversity hires and quotas.

    Though if one reads between the lines, “many female and male creatives did not take top leadership roles” means that it’s still menz at the top because even they realise the commercial suicide of over-promoting in aid of quotas to the ultimate degree.

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  132. Spawny Get says:

    The love that cannot speak its name…presumably because his voice is severely muffled(?)

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  133. Cautiously Pessimistic says:

    Deti Johnson is right about Ton Johnson being right. Fuzzy, you’ve grown relatively comfortable in an unhealthy place. From my perspective, the kicks are not intended to force you out of the group, but to force you out of the rut. If these folks didn’t care, they’d be ignoring you.

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  134. Spawny Get says:

    “If these folks didn’t care, they’d be ignoring you”
    Yep. They care, but they want to see Fuzzie making progress. It’s a brotherhood thing. IMHO

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  135. Spawny Get says:

    “Perhaps if you wore your favourite Slave-Girl Leia outfit?”

    perhaps, Our favourite Slave-Girl Leia outfit that should be?

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  136. SFC Ton says:

    To hell with the outfit
    Just show up nekkid and skip the preliminaries

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  137. Spawny Get says:

    “Just show up nekkid and skip the preliminaries”

    Fuzzie might raise some eyebrows in his birthday suit

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  138. SFC Ton says:

    lol their problem, not his

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  139. thedeti says:

    Fuzzie: Some time away from the internets might do you some good.

    As for women you know, I might suggest this. You spend time you want to spend with women you want to spend it with. Decide what you want, and then go for that.

    A woman who’s a 5 time divorcee who won’t have sex before marriage is a bad bet. But you can use her for practice. Take her on a date or two. Cut your dating/relational teeth on her a bit. No sex? OK. You’re investing little time anyway. But don’t invest any more time.

    If you want to have sex, I’m pretty sure you can find women who will be willing to give you that. In my area, there are legions on regiments of divorced women who are looking to hop back on the carousel. If I weren’t married I’d probably spin plates for the rest of my life. You have an opportunity to do that if you want. You have a chance to look for a wife if you want. But instead of trying that, you mope around here and Sunshine Thiry’s place. STOP. DOING. THAT.

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  140. Spawny Get says:

    Bloody hell, it’s autumn already. St Swithun was right.

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  141. Spawny Get says:

    Tonight they sleep with the fishes

    daft bastards

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  142. Spawny Get says:

    With added Milo.

    The Summer of 2016 – Moral Maze

    As someone once said ‘Whoever you vote for the government wins’. Whether we thought it was a conspiracy or not we’ve got used to the idea that something we called the establishment ran societies like ours. No longer. From Brexit voters agreeing with Michael Gove that we shouldn’t listen to experts, to Donald Trump supporters relishing the hostility to their man of every part of the American establishment or Jeremy Corbyn supporters rejecting conventional wisdom about what is needed to win elections: everywhere it appears the conventional, the expert, the elite, the establishment view is on the defensive. For some this is a brave new world of openness, activism and renewal. For others it’s a post-factual world of populism, extremism and damage. Is the establishment dying? Is this the assertion of the independent-minded? A welcome jolt for a complacent ruling class? A time of renewal? Or a brainless twitch by people bored with issues and complexity, ushering in a host of dangerous isms – populism, extremism, nationalism. “The Summer of 2016” – should we cheer, worry, or despair? The Moral Maze

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07m7j2w

    Should work globally

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  143. Moi says:

    Things are skewed against men in the legal system. And that won’t change anytime soon.

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  144. Cill says:

    Fuzzy, I for one would not like to see you leave this blog. No-one can guarantee a safe space for you, any more than you should be expected to provide anyone else with a safe space free from furry videos.

    Fuzzy the company of women is either your goal, or it is not. I’ve been around you online long enough to remember a time when you could have followed up on an attractive possibility IRL. You did not, which indicates that the company of women is not worth your taking concrete steps towards.

    Fair enough. But please don’t contradict that position with something like this: “As for felling good about this life, something valuable was stolen from me”.

    You’re an affable bloke and you’re not a dumbcluck. I find it impossible to believe you can’t move on in relation to women.

    I wish you well Fuzzy Bear. One thing I do NOT wish upon you is that you stay rooted in one place.

    Go well, my friend.

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  145. SFC Ton says:

    Europe in general wanted obama, they got him and was unhappy as hell
    Maybe that means they don’t know fuck all about what is what an entire ocean away

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  146. Moi says:

    Probably where they belong! lol

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  147. Spawny Get says:

    I admit that it is very tricky knowing from across the ocean, but you can search as much as you like, there is no record of me ever being a barma fan. My initial reaction was that he was a Bliar clone. I was too kind.

    My enthusiasm for Trump is based purely on how freaked out the scumbag political class is. I have no idea how good a president he’ll make, but I doubt he can be worse than Hillary.

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  148. Yoda says:

    Want to see Trump talk about Crony Capitalism I do

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  149. Tarnished says:

    As for women you know, I might suggest this. You spend time you want to spend with women you want to spend it with…use her for practice.

    Not to put too fine a point on it, but this is half of what I’m trying to do. Nevermind this supposed “pampering and coddling”. I think Fuzzie could benefit from having a nice meal with a friend who just so happens to be female.

    He gets a free meal from a person of the opposite sex who has only good intentions. This is not a bad situation to be in, and gives both of us practice with meeting new people.

    Of course, Fuzzie might be busy this weekend. In which case, I would not blame him for declining. 😄

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  150. Spawny Get says:

    I hope that you two get together and enjoy yourselves, should be fun to put a face to a personality.

    I certainly don’t want Fuzzie to leave the blog, but I would like his time here to help him build himself up.

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  151. BuenaVista says:

    Don’t forget to pat him on the head. Good practice, etc., for how the world works.

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  152. Moi says:

    ^^^ This ^^^

    I had/still kind of have done the same thing. Some things are hard to let go of. But believe me, it’s harder if you don’t talk about it for real. And harder still if you are in the same environment the issue arose in.

    Change something. Anything. A first step that is attainable, can be followed by more positive steps.

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  153. Moi says:

    Europastan doesn’t know fuck all about what is on their side of the ocean either! They have screwed themselves and refuse to admit it.

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  154. Spawny Get says:

    The train is fine

    Europastan is fine

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