Feel the Draft

From here,

I’m a feminist, a law professor, a Mormon, and a mother. And in each of these capacities, I am advocating opposition to the extension of the military draft to women. Last week the Senate voted overwhelmingly in support of extending selective service registration to women. The bill is now in congressional committee before being sent to the president.

One might think that as a feminist she would support the draft for women.  No dice.

I am a grateful beneficiary of the feminist movement. Because of feminism, I was able to become a lawyer and practice at prestigious firms in New York City and Indianapolis. Feminism declared that women are not prisoners forced to stay at home and to stay out of the centers of economic and political power—the core ideals of feminism being choice and empowerment. I embrace this declaration and join in advocating the empowerment of women. 

“Prestigious Firms” — I like that.  I wonder if she made the world better when she was there…  Feminists sure do like the word “empowerment”.  However, it does appear that more often than not, this empowerment leads to diminished outcomes for society as a whole.  But then, for a woman, she is worth it.

But there are many women who in fact choose to be at home. Being a Mormon, I have numerous friends and family who are full-time stay-at-home mothers and/or wives. For these women, being at home is not a show of weakness, brainwashing, or subjugation—rather it is their own freely-chosen path.

But of course.  Women do seem to naturally like this role.  Perhaps there is a good reason why this is so…

They believe the best use of their time, talents, and life is to live for their children. They could be doctors or lawyers or CEOs. But they have chosen to employ their talents at home instead. This is an empowered choice.

There is that word again — empowered.  I wish that I had intellectual property rights to it.  The obvious implication here is that women are just so awesome that if they choose not to be full-time mothers, then they would naturally become doctors, lawyers and CEOs.

Which leads to my objection to extending the draft to women. Isn’t this just a matter of equality? As a law professor, I understand the importance of equal obligations in a system of justice. If men can be drafted, shouldn’t women also be subject to a potential draft? I remain unconvinced.  

Note that all combat roles have in the US now been opened to women.  That is why there is talk of drafting them.  So, why is she unconvinced?

Several major religious traditions hold that a woman’s greatest role is raising her children at home. And many women sincerely believe as much—without cowering to husbands or religious leaders.

She just can’t help herself in taking a cheap-shot at the Evil Patriarchy.  Yes indeed, it is a good role for women.

I’m asking Congress, are we building into this law a conscientious objector exception for women who devoutly believe that their God-given mission in life is to be in their happy home creating a family and then building a safe place for their children to grow in a loving and secure environment? We must continue to allow women to make that choice.

One might ask if a man should also be allowed to make that choice.  Why not?  After all, men’s role has traditionally been as breadwinner, which allows the safe place for their children to grow in a loving and secure environment to happen.  Furthermore, he has traditionally been a large contributor to this even beyond his breadwinner role.

Even for women who have not yet had children, what are the opportunity costs to them of being able to have and raise a family if we draft them to war in their prime years for marriage and childbearing?

To be forthright, this does not seem to bother the carousel riders and watchers.  So many women just want to leverage these years for fun and freebees.  Probably military service would put a damper on that.

So to everyone who cares about choice, about sincerely-held religious beliefs, about motherhood and stable families, about healthy babies, about violence against women, please stand against the extension of the draft to women.

Well, to be honest, the young women of today are not particularly sympathetic figures.  They deliberately choose to undermine the implied good aspects above, as they ride the carousel, not marry, abort lots of babies, throw their children’s fathers out of the house, are generally poor mothers, etc.  Perhaps if they were all that were implied above, society might make an exemption from the draft for them; but they are not all that.

NAWALT applies of course.

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186 comments on “Feel the Draft
  1. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    In a landmark decision during WWI, the Supreme Court conflated the rights of citizenship, including voting, with the responsibilities of compulsory military service to justify the draft. The exception for women has never been addressed.
    From a practical standpoint, this whole question is a nonstarter. What would the US Army do with them all?

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  2. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Rebel Media discusses Hillary.

    The short version is that the rules don’t apply to them.

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  3. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Am I starting to see a parallel between excusing women from the draft and excusing Hillary?

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  4. SFC Ton says:

    Don’t much give a fuck what women, feminist, lawyers, law professors, mothers or mormons have to say on any topic, especially military matters so I am having trouble figuring out why I should take her serious.

    If I give a fuck about what a college grad has to say it’s despite their indoctrination. …. I mean schooling

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  5. SFC Ton says:

    Did she make the world better as a lawyer?

    It is not possible for any lawyer to make the world better

    In Colonial America lawyers where so disliked and distrusted they could not charge for their services

    Lawyers are the Devil. Bobby Boucher’s mamma says


  6. SFC Ton says:

    conscientious objectors can avoid direct combat roles. It’s tough to prove but doable

    One of my old man’s friends was a conscientious objector. He agreed to being a medic and earned a lot of medals for bravery


  7. Farm Boy says:

    In a landmark decision during WWI, the Supreme Court conflated the rights of citizenship, including voting, with the responsibilities of compulsory military service to justify the draft. The exception for women has never been addressed

    And what should the answer be?

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  8. Farm Boy says:

    Don’t much give a fuck what women, feminist, lawyers, law professors, mothers or mormons

    She does throw all of that in your face, does she not. Perhaps she should let her ideas stand on their own merit


  9. Farm Boy says:

    m I starting to see a parallel between excusing women from the draft and excusing Hillary?

    Nah. That is just because she is a Clinton

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  10. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    With men, there is a balance between making a sacrifice and being a citizen. In women, that sacrifice is absent. Do they place as much value on their citizenship as men?

    It is not because she is a Clinton. Had Bill done as much, there would have been a trial by now.

    Where did everybody go? The last men who had to worry about being drafted will be celebrating their sixty third birthday this year.

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  11. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Farm Boy,
    I seem to remembering hearing about Leona Helmsly saying something similar about taxes. Didn’t that net her eighteen months in a federal prison?
    May she fall from an even greater height.

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  12. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    I posted this on the previous thread.
    About the draft, years ago, I applied for work at a place where the turnover was so slow, they still asked for your draft status. I went home, found my card, and was able to reply.

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  13. RichardP says:

    @Fuzzie: “It is not because she is a Clinton. Had Bill done as much, there would have been a trial by now.”

    Funny you should say that.

    1. If this eMail flap is about getting Hillary any way we can, then there is nothing to say.

    2. If this eMail flap is actually about the rule of law and safeguarding national security, then there is this to say: it doesn’t matter whether classified information is passed from a private server or from a private eMail account. The issue is whether the information is secure or not. Using private eMail accounts raise the issue of security more than using a private server – because at least you have some control over security issues if you control the server. No AOL user has any control over the security of AOL’s servers.

    With that point in mind, the following two links put things into some perspective. The State Dept. eMail has been hacked; there is no evidence that Hillary’s private server was ever hacked (maybe was, but there’s no evidence). And Bush Jr.’s senior White House staff “lost” a significant number of eMails because they were using priivate servers, not official government ones, which they were supposed to be using (maybe 22 million lost).

    Hillary broke no laws. Colin Powell broke no laws. Condoleeza Rice broke no laws. Did Bush’s senior White House staff break laws? If Bill Clinton broke no laws, why do we think there would have been a trial by now (rhetorical)? Prosecutors don’t like to bring charges for which they have no proof.

    In terms of national security, the issue was not whether one used a private server during a time when the law did not forbid it. The issue is whether the information was secure or not. Is Hillary the only one who’s behavior is questionable in this regard? A little bit of research tells us that the answer is “no”.




  14. Spawny Get says:


    Time for some honesty. Women are — and you won’t hear this anywhere else — screwing up the internet for men by invading every space we have online and ruining it with attention-seeking and a needy, demanding, touchy-feely form of modern feminism that quickly comes into conflict with men’s natural tendency to be boisterous, confrontational and delightfully autistic.

    The fact is, women are more easily rattled by nastiness than men. That’s a stereotype, but it’s also true — in the landmark Pew study on online harassment, women were more than twice as likely as men to say they were “very upset” by online harassment. That’s why, despite the fact that men are more likely to face abuse online, it’s mostly women you hear complaining about it in the pages of The Guardian and on Buzzfeed.

    Men have had enough of third-wave feminism’s incessant and pathetic whinging about everything from gender pronouns to this bizarre “online harassment” craze — or “cyber-violence,” as they sometimes bizarrely call it. Women are upset at men being rude to them, and feel “oppressed,” we are told, whenever they are treated on equal terms as men in the maelstrom of trolling that is social media.

    Consider the GamerGate controversy, where gamers fought back against the nannying, hectoring feelings police and were branded “harassers” and “misogynists.” It’s also happened in comics: if you go to an online comics forum and talk about anything but how stunning and brave the new SJW storylines are, you’ll get the boot.

    The internet can’t cope any more with such strenuous tension between the sexes. I mean, there’s a reason that male golfers don’t compete against female golfers. They’re in a league of their own, and it would end in tears. It’s time to apply this logic to the online world.

    Here’s my suggestion to fix the gender wars online: Women should just log off. Given that men built the internet, along with the rest of modern civilisation, I think it’s only fair that they get to keep it. And given what a miserable time women are having on the web, surely they would welcome an abrupt exit. They could go back to bridge tournaments, or wellness workshops, or swapping apple crumble recipes, or whatever it is women do in their spare time.

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  15. Spawny Get says:


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  16. Tarnished says:

    about violence against women

    This sorry trope again?
    Yes, I suppose being Drafted *would* eventually entail violence against women. That kinda happens when one is shot at by the enemy. Funny how violence against men is acceptable and considered so commonplace as to not warrant attention…

    Women should be made to sign up for the Draft, especially as it is currently connected (for males) to a host of financial, college, or career-related benefits. Ones that females do not have to do anything to remain recipients of.

    As a few here know, I signed up for the Draft alongside my (male) friends in our senior year of high school. I didn’t want to, but neither did most of them, so I thought it was only fair my name should go in the system as well.

    Equality has 2 sides, one positive, one negative. Reaping the benefits without the sacrifice is not egalitarian.

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  17. Liz says:

    That’s not equality because women in combat get men killed.

    But we could draft them for military service in noncombat jobs. There are probably more noncombat jobs than combat ones. Problem solved.

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  18. Liz says:

    “Where did everybody go? The last men who had to worry about being drafted will be celebrating their sixty third birthday this year.

    There’s pretty much no chance they will ever have conscription again. We didnt’ have conscription after 9/11 when our nation was attacked directly, even with only one person out of every 300 or so is serving active duty. To put it into perspective, transgender people are extreme outliers, but there are more transgender people in the US than military members serving. And we’re technically still at war.
    Draft won’t happen.

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  19. Liz says:

    BTW, this Hillary exemption that shows us all the rule of law doesn’t apply to the ruling elite arrived just in time to go back to active duty.
    It’s probably best I won’t be online for a couple of years.

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  20. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    That used to be true. Since Gulf War II , as much work that could be contracted out has been. I used to be that it took nine soldiers to support one in combat. While I don’t know how far that has been whittled down, from what I have heard it is significant.

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  21. Liz says:

    Richard P, Powell was secretary of state at a different time. That was over a decade ago. Anyone who has worked for any government agency the requires a security clearance knows that e mail security protocol has changed a great deal since then. Any person who has owned a computer and posted online at all can note the same.
    Heck, in the nineties our social security numbers were our student numbers and they were on full display on the well next to our grades. That still wash today?

    Of course they don’t have evidence she was hacked, she didn’t allow them to even look for Christ’s sake and all so she wouldnt’ be open to accountability and FOIA requests.

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  22. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    I wish that you could be. *sad face*

    It is not about nailing Hillary any way possible but about her getting away with stuff that would put normal people in jail. To put it bluntly, she is dirty.
    I don’t cry very much that Al Capone was unjustly prosecuted for tax evasion. The Statute of Limitations had expired. There wee over five hundred charges of violating the Volstead Act to answer for too.

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  23. Liz says:

    “That used to be true. Since Gulf War II , as much work that could be contracted out has been. I used to be that it took nine soldiers to support one in combat. While I don’t know how far that has been whittled down, from what I have heard it is significant.”

    Oh, yeah. Private contractors fill those support roles, but in a resource crunch so could female conscripts. They’d also need far less training than the average combatant (and we wouldn’t lose 90 percent of them to training injuries).

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  24. Liz says:

    I’d love to nail Hillary any way possible. She is a danger to this nation.

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  25. Liz says:

    I might have to resort to voodoo now…

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  26. Liz says:

    Here’s some eighties level computer security. Hey, if they did it then and “got away with it”, they should just do it like that now!

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  27. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    That Ferris Bueller! There is some humor in it all. In real life, he married Carrie from Sex and the City. While they had a long marriage, I heard that it hit the rocks.

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  28. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    This may be worthy of a full post. It is the first time that I have heard of a union going on strike in support of the wage gap myth.

    Jessica Valenti may have the only practical solution, bump women’x base pay to $1.23 per hour for every dollar a man earns. Somebody has to remind feminists that if you work your full forty hours a week, you earn that much more and should you work overtime, there is a fifty percent bonus.

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  29. Liz says:

    They dated for many years before they got married, Fuzzie. I don’t think he wanted to marry her (I think it was because she is very homely), but after years it seemed the thing to do. His career kind of peaked at Ferris (and he turned kind of soft and doughy looking).

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  30. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    He is incredibly talented. Without him, Ladyhawke would have been a yawn. As for careers, couples should welcome a little disparity. When one is up. the other can be carried and vice versa.


  31. Spawny Get says:

    So far the Chilcot Report is getting good reviews. Far better than feared by the relatives of the dead.

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  32. Spawny Get says:

    The UK’s Katrina


  33. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    From what I saw, I liked it. It was tactful and absent was the condemnation of hindsight, which is always 20/20.

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  34. So true the line about “if they weren’t moms they would be ceo’s, lawyers, or doctors.” Egads.

    Equality can’t come w all the perks and none of the drawbacks.

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  35. Farm Boy says:

    Equality can’t come w all the perks and none of the drawbacks.

    Some people are more equal than others

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  36. Farm Boy says:

    The author suggests that child rearing is important and that women are skilled at it. If such is the case, maybe they should devote more of their effort towards it.

    But they don’t. They just hide behind the concept.

    NAWALT applies

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  37. Farm Boy says:

    The pros and cons of Brexit are complicated; reasonable people could and did disagree. But what was most interesting was the reaction to a vote outcome unpredicted by the pollsters or, just as important these days, the betting parlors. In London, and throughout most of Britain’s upper-middle class world, the quality press, and the political establishment—the Great and the Good, in short—the result was not disappointment but curious combination of despair, hysteria, and quiet elation.

    Much of the outcry against Brexit was not merely despondent, but, as my Twitter feed revealed, unqualified in its belief that the vote was a catastrophe. Equally unambiguous was the contempt expressed for those on the other side. The professors, business people, and journalists making remarks about the “lizard brain of the British people” had no visible inclination to do what some American conservatives appalled by the rise of Trump have realized they need to do, namely, figure out why a majority of their countrymen went for a choice they consider dangerously crazy.

    What also appeared was a manifestation of a nasty class-based bigotry, as acid and ugly as anything an 18th-century aristocrat might have expressed for an uppity cobbler who presumed to have a political opinion. It was manifested most clearly, in London at any rate, by the gilded young who immediately began snarling at the old and the working class who voted for Brexit, and talking—emptily, most likely—about leaving London for elsewhere.

    The larger phenomenon here, however, is a crisis not of ignorant masses, but of elites who have failed. All societies, except perhaps the Greek city-states of antiquity, are led by elites or, as the great sociologist Digby Baltzell described them, establishments. As long as they provide their societies with some consequential benefit (prosperity, success in war, or political leadership), can absorb talented non-elite members, and display virtues that the rest of society values (public service, self-sacrifice, or military courage) they deserve to hang on and do.

    The elites of London, like those of this country and large parts of the Western world, appear in many ways to have failed those tests. The crash of 2008 crystallized a view of the financial class in particular as reckless, self-dealing manipulators. As Joel Kotkin among others has pointed out, by virtue of how our education systems have evolved, elite youth increasingly marry one another, and the prosperous can (and do) give their children every leg up—which poorer parents cannot hope to match. Meanwhile, the political and intellectual elites deserve, and receive, very little credit for patriotism or courage, because they do not exhibit much. As manifested on campuses in Great Britain as here, they increasingly show themselves intolerant of dissenting opinions, and inclined to bully because they have forgotten (or never learned) how to argue.

    The failure of courage, Solzhenitsyn said at a particularly dark point in the Cold War, was in danger of becoming a distinguishing feature of the West. The young people who talked petulantly of abandoning their country because of a vote they did not like were bright graduates of the best universities in the English-speaking world—and severely deficient in pluck. They had no notion of that patriotism which says that when your country is in trouble, you are supposed to fight it out, not begin checking to see if Morgan Stanley is hiring in Madrid. They are not fit to be trusted with political power.

    And in the very intemperateness of their reaction lies one of the best reasons to think that Brexit is, with all its hazards, a good thing.


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  38. Farm Boy says:

    Hillary Clinton would consume a heavy dosage of “adult beverages” in the White House if she is elected president, the New York Times reports:

    Hillary apparently thinks her willingness to “schmooze” over booze and “use alcohol as a political lubricant” is one reason why she would be a “better dealmaker” than President Obama. Clinton “loves socializing, loves having people and spouses over, and really loves talking over drinks,” said Neera Tanden, a former Clinton aide who runs the Center for American Progress.

    One thing is clear: Hillary Clinton loves to drink. For example, she allegedly took part in a drinking contest with Senator John McCain


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  39. Spawny Get says:

    The problem with May

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  40. Spawny Get says:

    Going back to BREXIT, watch the woman’s reaction 3:30 at it’s an absolute thing of beauty. The perfect reaction which should go down in history

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  41. David Foster says:

    FarmBoy…very good link from The American Interest, thanks!

    In the US, a big part of the problem is the increasing worship of educational credentials, especially those from ‘elite’ universities. Almost 50 years ago, Peter Drucker (himself Austrian by birth) wrote that one of the great strengths of American society was the absence of a distinction between ‘schools for leaders’ and ‘schools for followers.’ He also said:

    “One thing it (modern society) cannot afford in education is the “elite institution” which has a monopoly on social standing, on prestige, and on the command positions in society and economy. Oxford and Cambridge are important reasons for the English brain drain. A main reason for the technology gap is the Grande Ecole such as the Ecole Polytechnique or the Ecole Normale. These elite institutions may do a magnificent job of education, but only their graduates normally get into the command positions. Only their faculties “matter.” This restricts and impoverishes the whole society…The Harvard Law School might like to be a Grande Ecole and to claim for its graduates a preferential position. But American society has never been willing to accept this claim…”

    Today, American society is much closer to accepting the Grande Ecole claim than it was when Drucker wrote.


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  42. Ok Spawny that one made me cry! And the look on her face, priceless, like she hardly dared believe it could be, her deepest heart’s desire coming true. To the dreamers! Love it! Sniff!

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  43. Spawny Get says:

    Your Glorious Patriarch’s eyes misted up a bit when he first saw it. (Damned hay fever)

    Wasn’t she perfect though?

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  44. BTW my new favorite gesture is the two fingers in a peace sign but backwards. The beauty of it is most people here have no clue what it means, so I can use it with impunity (for now, lol!)


  45. And I bet that lady worked tirelessly, countless hours, every waking moment, to help accomplish that dream. Good for her. We need more like that.

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  46. In fact Spawny, were you a marrying man, I’d say that might be the one for you! 🙂


  47. Spawny Get says:

    teh funny

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  48. Spawny Get says:

    I’m afraid that despite being an old fart…I don’t find old fartesses attractive. It’s the male visual thing. I think that I’m at the end of the spectrum on that. If I can’t have what I want at a reasonable price, I’m quite happy not bothering. The sex-drive is defused in other ways a lot more easily and cheaply. Women are a lot of fuss and bother to be around. Even when you can find female company very pleasant at times.

    I’d happily converse with her, though that is a lot of flags outside her house. 1 Cat = 1 Flag? A very nice woman, I’m sure.

    I’m pretty sure that it’s been said, but women after a man should always make a little effort…we really are very visual. That may be sad, but the alternative (being a woman) sounds insanerer.

    Not worried about dying alone.

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  49. Spawny Get says:

    Wales are playing footie


  50. Spawny Get says:

    Bliar earlier today

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  51. Fair enough spawny! 😉 she’s kinda got the cute farm girl thing going but perhaps not your type, or your age bracket even (not sure how old you are). 🙂

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  52. And this is off-topic but what women find attractive or think men are attracted to in other women is often not at all what men are attracted to i have found, women’s conception of female beauty and man’s conception of female beauty I find varies quite a bit, so there’s that.

    For her age? I’d guess she’s not so bad, and she’s not fat. But I get what you are saying 🙂 women are a lot of trouble, even tho I try hard not to be, I am sure my guys life is more complex w me in it! But he seems to like me enough to endure me 🙂 thank God!!! Lol.

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  53. Odd I just posted a second comment that didn’t come through maybe I’m stuck in the Yoda spam filter too now! Lol!


  54. Spawny Get says:

    From the Chilcot enquiry


  55. BuenaVista says:

    My family name is shared by two English villages. I have no idea which one I’m from. Obviously we were destitute peasants or criminals or we wouldn’t have move on.

    My yeoman grandfather received the German fleet surrender via Morse in the firth of forth. Personally. He transcribed it.

    My dad unfortunately was sent to the Pacific.

    I’m so pleased England is England again. Probably should go buy a TVR to celebrate. Or just drink too much and work on my garden.

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  56. BuenaVista says:

    She’s at least 20 pounds overweight and she wears a T-shirt on national TV. Seriously?


  57. Spawny Get says:

    They knocked on her door rather early, she wasn’t expecting the Spanish Inquisition from the beeb.

    Got to love that reaction though. A good heart. The Burnley accent doesn’t exactly scream sex appeal though, does it?

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  58. Spawny Get says:

    Gove appears to have screwed the pooch. May v Leadsom unless there’s some real shenanigans. Game over if it’s May. Who knows, we can but hope, if it’s Leadsom.

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  59. Spawny Get says:

    And Wales is out of the competition.


  60. Spawny Get says:

    Chingford Man
    28 minutes ago
    “Michael Gove’s senior allies are urging MPs backing Theresa May to vote tactically to block Andrea Leadsom because they are “seriously frightened” about the prospect of her becoming prime minister.

    Nick Boles, the Justice Secretary’s campaign manager, has sent a text to MPs telling them that it would be in the “national interest” for them to stop Mrs Leadsom getting to the final run-off because she may win the vote of party members.

    The message prompted anger among MPs because it appears to attack the Conservative grassroots for potentially backing Mrs Leadsom.

    Mr Boles also claimed that he will “sleep easy at night” if Mrs May becomes the next prime minister, adding that Mr Gove is prepared to spend “two months taking a good thrashing from Theresa, if that’s what it takes”.”

    Porcinus Chingford Man
    30 minutes ago
    There is another side to Theresa May standing for Prime Minister – she is a Type 1 diabetic –

    During stressful situations, adrenaline, glucagon, and cortisol play a role in blood sugar levels. In severe cases it can be fatal.

    Falling asleep during the Chilcot debate today was a clear indication of out of tolerance blood sugar level.

    Have the Conservatives considered the medical implications of a 59 year old woman with Type 1 diabetes taking on the most stressful job in the UK ?

    Somehow it seems to have been ignored – win at any cost ?

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  61. Spawny Get says:

    Gore’s other FRO moment


  62. Cill says:

    Here’s my suggestion to fix the gender wars online: Women should just log off. Given that men built the internet, along with the rest of modern civilisation, I think it’s only fair that they get to keep it.

    Fair enough. The same applies right across the board. If female reporters don’t like the way they’re treated in male locker rooms, they should stay out of male locker rooms. In Civil Engineering we’re now told we unconsciously oppress women just by being male. We hold them back and make them feel inadequate, they say.

    Imagine if it were the other way around. If Engineering were dominated by women and I received all sorts of help and assistance because I’m male, and grants of US$30,000+ just for doing the university course (instead of having to pay for it), and after graduation was awarded contracts for no other reason than that I’m male, I’d jump at the chance to be subjected to some good old misandry. I get enough of it every damn week of the year as it is.

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  63. mgtowhorseman says:

    Late to the party but have no problem with an exemption for women who are Married to the Father and at home with chdren as a stay at home mom. As soon as she divorces, goes to work, or otherwise is living for anything than the children the the Mormon authors arguement goes out the window. As a law professor she would not be exempt because she is not living for her children. If men lawyers can be drafted or serve as guardsmen then she sure as hell can.

    Just commenting on the original article. Gotta get caught up on the threads. (not that they EVER go off topic)

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  64. Spawny Get says:

    Turble, turble news
    We’ll keep the red rag flying…in splendid isolation…here

    The Tories are down to three candidates for leadership. Only one might prove acceptable

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  65. mgtowhorseman says:

    Honest question as I dont get the political players. Why have all the Remain players bailed out of the electio?

    I get it. Its gonna be a bitch negotiating the divorce but really? You win and then the GM, Coach and Trainer all bugger off. I mean this aint the Toronto Maple Leafs we’re talking about (oh right…Leafs win…ever)

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  66. Spawny Get says:

    Thresa May is the Tory establishment candidate. She has a solid track record of failure but she’s an insider. Gove just screwed the pooch as far as I’m concerned and he wasn’t greatly popular with the punters beforehand. Leaving Andrea I’ve got a wobbly cv Leadsom.

    Given the choice? Give it to Leadsom, give her till the next GE in 2020 (supposed to be) and we’ll take it from there.

    Nigel’s gone over stress, threats to himself and family. Don’t know what happens there.

    Labour’s fugazi.

    Lib Dems…Who?


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  67. SFC Ton says:

    Fuck fixing the gender wars

    How about men win the gender wars?


  68. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    I wasn’t aware that Theresa May was a diabetic taking insulin. That should disqualify her for serving as Prim Minister. She probably won’t survive until the next General Election

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  69. Cill says:

    (not that they EVER go off topic)

    We never go off topic here. The Patriarch himself (Spawny – aka The Master of Chaos) sternly patrols the blog and launches broadsides at any craft foolish enough to veer off course. Always an exemplary navigator, the Patriarch nails his colors to the mast and leads the way.

    Now what was the topic here…
    Of course… it was Cill’s Draught Down Under is the world’s best brew”. I can’t imagine a more worthy subject.

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  70. Cill says:

    Alternatively we could discuss “Cill’s Down Under is the finest Draught Draft on the planet”.


  71. Cill says:

    I wonder if the advertising jingle* “Feel the Draft” would work for Cill’s Draught Down Under?

    (*sung to the tune of “Over There”)

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  72. fuzziewuzziebear says:

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  73. How long have you been making your brew, Cill? What got you into brewing? What’s the style? I sample microbrews around here every chance I get so don’t know everything but I enjoy it! Cheers to Cill’s brew!

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  74. @ bv by not fat I mean not obese, and I think it’s her team tshirt — branding, marketing, be a walking billboard for Brexit, etc. I bet she treasures it! 🙂

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  75. Also I was thinking “she loves Brexit as much as the glorious patriarch!” More than thinking she was the height of his physical ideal. A mate and companion who is likeminded. Maybe that’s a girl way to think? She’s not a 10 but she could also do much worse, no? I dunno. Lol!

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  76. Today’s google image, showing an xy chromosome! How sexist and genderist! Isn’t gender a feeling? I am confused!

    Lol oh the irony, featuring a stem go girl scientist!!!



  77. Which bathroom do xy People use? Are xy better than xx? What about yy? I am still catching up on this “gender is genetic” thing. Wow! Who would have thought…


  78. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    I think that Bloom may br fishing for a recipe. She is one of the few people I could trust to follow through on making it. There is one question, does yeast matter as much? From what I have heard Champagne makers keep their’s under lock and key as the greatest of industrial secrets.
    Spawny might also be a good candidate for home brewing.
    In both cases, it may be easier to export the recipe than the product.


  79. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    That movie is well worth a watch. It is the only one that I know of where Jimmy Cagney got to show off his talents as a dancer. He was typecast as a gangster in most of his films.

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  80. Cill says:

    Thank you for staying on topic, Bloom.

    In my teens I helped male elders make their home brews. When I began brewing my own, they helped me put down my first few batches. More importantly, they gave me the malt, hops and yeast to start me off.

    I brew and bottle large batches and leave it for months to settle. For “bright” brews I use filters. The most difficult aspect to control is quality of ingredients. The most laborious aspect is usually sterilizing the bottles and equipment. I use steam. My cleaning, bottling and capping is automated. I don’t do anything fancy. No herbs or fruits. Just beer ranging from lagers to stouts depending on roasting of malt.


  81. Cill says:

    Fuzzy at at 7:49 am. The commercial breweries take the best of the ingredients leaving second-best (at best) for the home brewers. I find it’s one of those situations where *who* you know is more important than *what* you know. My ingredient suppliers are blokes I know, and I don’t mean the blokes who supply home-brew kits.

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  82. Sumo says:

    I don’t do anything fancy. No herbs or fruits. Just beer ranging from lagers to stouts depending on roasting of malt.

    You should try brewing a honey brown lager, bro. The Mighty Sumo’s favorite beverage.

    I would imagine it would be spectacular if one were to use that Manuka honey y’all are always going on about.

    Speaking of, saw this in the Asian grocery store the other day:

     photo EAC354D5-EE26-46A0-AB0A-F74D90DA6FB0_zpsh7sjxy4x.jpg

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  83. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Thirty dollars!!! Do you have any idea how many tourists I have to hold upside down and shake to get that much money?

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  84. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    So the brewers are protecting their sources. You must be connected.

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  85. Cill says:

    Sumo at 8:13 am

    That Asian “Manuka Honey” is not the honey with the unique properties. Consumers in countries where a product’s country of origin must be shown can be sure they are buying the unique Manuka Honey. First, the country has to be NZ, and secondly, the UMF rating has to be shown.

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  86. Sumo says:

    I remember you or Molls mentioning that before; I checked the box, and it read ” product of New Zealand”. I didn’t buy it, because I’m a cheap half-Scots bastard, but I figured it being from KiwiLand meant it was authentic.

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  87. Spawny Get says:

    “I didn’t buy it, because I’m a cheap half-Scots bastard”
    I’m English and I don’t like honey (as far as I remember – can’t remember actually trying bee extrusions) but I’m with you brother regarding da moneez

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  88. Cill says:

    But is disclosure of country of origin a legal requirement in Canada? China has been putting “New Zealand” on labels of food stuffs to get higher prices and quicker sales. I don’t know the situation in Canada, but in NZ the country of origin must be displayed on the label and if it’s inaccurate, the importer can be prosecuted by the Dept of Health.

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  89. Spawny Get says:

    Cill, I’m listening to the Farage thing above, not bad. A little break from the hysteria and lies.

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  90. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Counterfeit honey??!!! Better to risk a few bee stings and get the real thing.


  91. Cill says:

    An example of “jumping the gun” is the Wedderspoon product pictured above in the middle, it seems to get good reviews on Amazon, although you will still see reviewers who make comments such as….
    “The results of an analysis performed by NZLabs on two different Wedderspoon products were disclosed yesterday. The analysis included a jar labeled as Active 16+ and another jar labeled as Active 12+, both of which were found to have non-peroxide and total peroxide activity of less than 8.2 which is as low as the test goes. This suggests that the potency of the Wedderspoon Manuka Honey had to be either extremely low or nonexistent. It certainly confirms that the honeys were not of the potency that they were labeled as having.
    “This is not only unethical and dishonest, it’s an absolute disgrace,” says Frank Buonanotte, CEO of Honeymark International which is a U.S. importer of Manuka honey. “This type of inactive Manuka honey will not yield the same medicinal results that people have come to expect.”


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  92. Sumo says:

    But is disclosure of country of origin a legal requirement in Canada?

    Aye, laddie, it is. 😉

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  93. I have never brewed beer but I did take a few classes and such. Had I been red pill aware then, well let’s just say I was the only gal in a room full of guys who obviously had both disposable income and time and an interest in doing something cool but did i even look about for dating prospects while there? no. Nor did i recognize the situation bc i was focused on learning to brew! lol Duh! Brewing classes are btw for a gal, if she’s authentically interested in the subject and not just there to disrupt, a good place to meet good guys.)

    I make other things but maybe someday we can arrange a trade! Or better yet cheers in person to international poetry driven friendships. Wouldn’t that be fun? Howl at the moon. Just cause!

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  94. Spawny Get says:

    It’s a pity that they need to drag more ersatz drama into the very real drama of this hero’s actions

    INTJ? Asperger’s? Fucking hero.
    US Airways Flight 1549 Full Cockpit Recording

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  95. And right on cue the coyote packs in my valley start howling from one hillside to another. Weird! Cheers!

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  96. I howlers at them (no response) then are a spoonful of manuka honey just cause!

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  97. Says on the label wild cape manuka honey, by a bloke named Bill Savage for 40 years. Cheers to him! And bees!

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  98. Cill says:

    Spawny I’ve just finished listening to the Farage video at 8:55 am.

    He was able to explain his position without interruption. I think would be a rare experience for him in a press conference or any sort of question session. He wants to remain an MEP so he can be “free to praise or criticize what happens once Article 50 has been invoked”.

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  99. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Specially trained New Zealand bees.

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  100. Cill says:

    “wild cape manuka honey, by a bloke named Bill Savage”

    Congratulations! You have bought the real McCoy.

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  101. Cill says:

    Sumo the 4th ingredient is sugar, and I have experimented with that. Bear in mind that the object of the exercize is to turn the sugar into alcohol. I have tried honey from my own hives and it does produce a good beer. However, if I had to buy the honey, the small improvement in quality would not (for me) justify the extra cost of getting the necessary sugar.

    What I’m really saying is, given equality in ingredients, a homebrew is better than a commercial beer. We’re not under the same pressure to generate profits. I only put down 3 batches a year, which means the wort has almost 4 months to settle. You’d probably like my sugar brews as much as your honey ones, bro.

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  102. Spawny Get says:

    Marvel’s new Iron Man is 15-year-old black girl
    She’s packing a mighty ‘fro. Inevitably

    Civil War II sees Tony Stark hang up his boots to be replaced by Riri Williams, the company said.
    The character is a Chicago-born science genius studying at MIT and made her debut earlier this year.
    The news has prompted a huge reaction online, with many welcoming it as a step forward for diversity.
    Iron Man writer Brian Michael Bendis told Time he came up with Williams’ character after being struck by the “chaos and violence” of Chicago while working in the city.
    “And this story of this brilliant, young woman whose life was marred by tragedy that could have easily ended her life, just random street violence, and went off to college was very inspiring to me.
    “I thought that was the most modern version of a superhero or superheroine story I had ever heard.”

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  103. Sumo says:

    You’d probably like my sugar brews as much as your honey ones, bro.

    Well, yeah……..it’s beer. 😀

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  104. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    I have heard that Canadians like beer.

    Spawny Get,
    It sounds like we have a new New Ghostbusters in the making. It is hard to believe that these people can spend over one hundred fifty million dollars on such ill advised projects.

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  105. Cill says:

    I might add that $29.99 is an extortionate price for a 250g tub of ordinary Manuka honey. It should cost about $10 Canadian.

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  106. Spawny Get says:

    Property in London looking dodgy.

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  107. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Spawny Get,
    I think Oscar the Grouch should consider moving. But, seriously, it is like no one remembers the housing bubble and its attendant crash. un warrented asset inflation is a sign that there is too much money in circulation and oo few investments that people are confident in.
    This is not good.

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  108. Spawny Get says:

    Porcinus • 3 hours ago
    So we have Tony Bliar and Tired Theresa in the headlines – all we need now is a major bank to collapse…ooops

    June 29 2016 International Monetary Policy statement that “Deutsche Bank poses the greatest risk to the global financial system” of any financial institution.
    Deutsche Bank is reported to hold “notional derivatives exposure” of $72.8 trillion, or about 13 percent of the $550 trillion worldwide total. Investopedia noted that $72.8 trillion is roughly 3,600 times the bank’s market cap; that figure has likely risen since.


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  109. Sumo says:

    I might add that $29.99 is an extortionate price for a 250g tub of ordinary Manuka honey. It should cost about $10 Canadian.

    That was the sale price, brother. ‘Tis regularly nearly $43. Hence my inner Scots having a conniption.

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  110. Spawny Get says:

    Tiredofeulies • 3 hours ago
    I have been worried over the last week or so about the lack of political leadership we are seeing. It is not stretching things too far to suggest we are in a ‘wartime’ crisis type situation. Our Nation is potentially about to be stress tested like never before.

    We require strong leadership, a national sense of facing a common problem together and a BBC and political class united in creating a positive mood.

    We are getting none of the above..instead we have a vacuum in politics, filled with bickering and in-fighting which shames out establishment. Cameron and Osbourne have been a disgrace and must go quickly. The BBC are still fighting the Remain campaign and have yet to catch up with reality. All in all , it’s just not good enough.

    We seem to have forgotten how to face up to a crisis…whatever happened to the stiff upper lip? Now all we get are millennials whinging about how their roaming charges may go up when they travel in the EU and the Islington liberal elites worried about the cost of a skiing holiday in Courcheval….

    I despair

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  111. Spawny Get says:

    Fuzzie, what have you been up to?

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  112. Spawny Get says:

    Bad luck Wales, but…

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  113. Spawny Get says:

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  114. Spawny Get says:

    Wonder Woman remake celebrates body diversity

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  115. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Spawny Get,
    That is Fozzie Bear from the Muppets and it looks like he has changed careers. He is now a chiropractor specializing in Viking work related injuries,.

    Politically, it sounds as if the nation is less confident every day. As much as he is not liked, at least David Cameron was a focal point for anger,


  116. Spawny Get says:

    “less confident every day”
    Not sure that’s true. I mix with the wrong sort to know though. My lot are pissed off, regard the scheming bastard thieves running the market as scum manipulating things to thieve money (as usual).

    We’re waiting to see if the Tory party seeks self-destruction by selecting May. If they do then 2020 (next scheduled GE) will be a frigging catastrophuck…a biblical one…a BIBLICAL one.

    We hope that Corbyn sticks around in some ways; tearing the PLP (Parliamentary Labour Party) apart. OR going and tearing the Labour vote outside London apart.

    UKIP is taking time to find a new role. But there are very many potential voters on offer next time round.

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  117. Spawny Get says:

    I’m all for diversity in public speech, here’s a small sample of the hard-of-thinking celebutard who thinks that some people liking her music makes her ‘opinions’ important. And when she opens her capacious overactive gob publicly and gets her vacuousness criticised? She’s bewildered.
    [video src="https://cdn.theguardian.tv/mainwebsite/2016/07/05/160704OwenPaloma_desk.mp4" /]
    She actually uses the word ‘informed’ YCMIU

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  118. Spawny Get says:

    To counterbalance the Burnley woman’s reaction to BREXIT, here we have Despondo Mong

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  119. Spawny Get says:

    Sheez gahn dahn int she. Bon voyage for eveyone, starting soon.
    Touched 100 back in 2007/8, currently 11.4 and going down by the head


  120. Spawny Get says:

    Speaking of it ain’t over til it’s over, right on time

    Should the great grey faceless ‘THEY’. . . [ Civil Servants, Officials, Anonymous Bureaucrats, MPs, etc. . .] manage, by their foul machinations; to sabotage the result of the EU referendum, against the will of the democratic majority and somehow succeed in keeping us tied to the EU, . . . UKIP could, more than likely, turn this around in 2020 as they will no doubt be ‘Hoovering ‘up a load of disenchanted and disenfranchised Midlands, Northern and Welsh Labour seats. Not to mention more than One Million voters in Scotland, who actually voted to Leave the EU. This count is not far fewer than the number who voted for and obtained Fifty Six members of Parliament for the SNP.

    A significant number indeed.

    The next Major task that sorely requires some overdue and very important action, is to clear out the BBC, Our Impartial National Broadcasting service, of all those weird and strange people who continually promulgate 24/7 their programme, designed to brainwash the British public to be a compliant and subservient part of a completely wrongheaded ‘Greater EU’ political project.

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  121. Spawny Get says:


  122. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Spawny Get,
    I think that you, and your country, are fortunate in that you don’t have outright thieves and scoundrels in government. I am reminded of the 2001 Enron sponsored scam that involved rolling blackouts across California in the middle of winter, when electrical demand is far less. That cost Californian billions. The Democratic Governor appealed to the newly elected Republican President from Texas, Enron’s home state, and got nowhere. He was recalled and replaced by Arnold Schwartzenegger, a Republican, who did not press the issue.
    I think that two traders were prosecuted.
    Enron went bankrupt and a few were prosecuted over that.

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  123. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Spawny Get,
    It’s long time til 2020.


  124. Tarnished says:

    Imagine if it were the other way around. If Engineering were dominated by women and I received all sorts of help and assistance because I’m male, and grants of US$30,000+ just for doing the university course (instead of having to pay for it), and after graduation was awarded contracts for no other reason than that I’m male, I’d jump at the chance to be subjected to some good old misandry.

    Nah, you wouldn’t.
    I think you’re too similar to me. Your sense of honor and fairness would prevent you from taking advantage of the system. One should decline sexist grants and scholarships because they promote inequality.

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  125. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    You’re one in a million in that respect.but, you’re right. It doesn’t lead to dignity or competence. Liz remarked about attending something for her son and the girls had three quarters of the scholarships. It is pretty blatant.

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  126. Farm Boy says:

    Iron Chick

    There’s a new Iron Man. Well, Iron Man for now. She’s still working on the name. The events at the end of the comic-book event series Civil War II will result in Tony Stark stepping out of the Iron Man suit and a new character, Riri Williams, taking over


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  127. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    That was mentioned upthread. It is getting beyond ridiculous how far diversification in film is going to go. I don’t think that they will be satisfied until there are no more white straight Christian male roles.

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  128. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    A lot of it may be to eliminate male role models and heroes. Heroes have been central to storytelling since time immemorial.

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  129. Spawny Get says:

    2020 is even a complete complete financial collapse away. It’s larder filling time


  130. Spawny Get says:

    Background image is inverted Union Flag. Forgot to do it earlier. It’s 7/7. ‘Our’ 9/11

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  131. Farm Boy says:

    Imelda Marcos

    “A large perfectly polished and gleaming black SUV is attempting a left turn from Hunt onto southbound Main (not easy). Suddenly blue/red lights are flashing from the windshield area of the SUV (like you would see in an official fire/police vehicle),” he continued. “I said to my friends, I’ve never seen that before on a ‘regular’ vehicle and I’d think that’s illegal and dangerous. They agreed.”

    That’s when the large black SUV jolted across two lanes of traffic, lights flashing, to park in front of a fire hydrant at the high end shoe boutique Footcandy.

    “A St. Helena police car happens to be going northbound and pulls into the center lane and the officer starts shaking his arm and hollering at the driver of the SUV. While this goes on a man exits the SUV assisting a woman from the vehicle. She dashes off to Footcandy while he waits by the SUV in the red zone,” Smith explained.

    “My friends and I are puzzled, say goodbye and I walk south on Main. As I approach Footcandy, Nancy Pelosi comes out with her shopping bags and the man assists her into the awaiting SUV. The SUV, with lights flashing, bursts back into southbound traffic,” Smith said.

    The St. Helena Police Department has received similar complaints in the past, and on occasion we come across a scenario like what is mentioned in the complaint. Unfortunately local law enforcement has no authority to prevent this type of activity. The U.S. Capitol Police and the U.S. Secret Service provide dignitary protection for certain high-ranking members of the Federal Government, and this protection comes with the discretion to violate some state and local laws (illegal U-turns, parking in a red zone) under the guise of providing the best possible protection to the dignitary. In the case of Congresswoman Pelosi, she receives her protection detail from the Capitol Police. As the Chief of Police in St. Helena I can assure you we don’t like or condone their behavior, but I can tell you from personal experience that while they sympathize with the position they put us in, they will not alter their tactics to appease us.


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  132. Farm Boy says:

    When Brits told pollsters why they had voted to leave the EU, notes James Heartfield, immigration and national identity ranked high but democracy and self-governance was at the top of the list. In contrast, classes who supported remain—the mainstream media, academia, the legal and financial establishments—increasingly see themselves as rightful rulers, the benighted masses be damned.


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  133. Farm Boy says:

    House Speaker Paul Ryan, R-Wis., on Wednesday formally urged Director of National Intelligence James Clapper to deny presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton access to classified information – an appeal that comes as FBI Director James Comey is set to testify on the email probe which yielded no charges.


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  134. Spawny Get says:

    Britain to have another female Prime Minister. Voting for which two candidates go through to the final round (where the pleb members get the deciding vote)

    Theresa May: 199

    Andrea Leadsom: 84

    Michael Gove: 46

    So much for the tactical voting speculation. The next PM will be a woman…



  135. Farm Boy says:

    If you have been keeping up with the Hillary email scandal (and who hasn’t) and you are living in reality, one has to wonder whether the decision not to prosecute Hillary is just a way to twist the law in order to give Hillary a pussy pass.


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  136. Farm Boy says:

    In essence, in order to give Mrs. Clinton a pass, the FBI rewrote the statute, inserting an intent element that Congress did not require. The added intent element, moreover, makes no sense: The point of having a statute that criminalizes gross negligence is to underscore that government officials have a special obligation to safeguard national defense secrets; when they fail to carry out that obligation due to gross negligence, they are guilty of serious wrongdoing. The lack of intent to harm our country is irrelevant. People never intend the bad things that happen due to gross negligence


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  137. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Kudos to Paul Ryan to cutting off Hillary from classified information.

    About the Capitol Police and Nancy Pelosi, that is bad. It’s even worse when it is done in front of ordinary citizens to witness.
    I have a sneaking suspicion that Imelda Marcos knew better.

    Spawny Get,
    I don’t know what to say about 7/7. Condolences.

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  138. Spawny Get says:

    Didn’t you lot have a tv series called ‘Soap’. Each episode started with a summary of the events to date. Enjoy

    Take Back The Streets • 30 minutes ago
    I’m trying my hand at writing a comedy called SOP. Now updated.

    Previously on SOP…

    Boris and Michael have stabbed Dave because they wanted to go out and Dave wanted to stay in

    Michael has stabbed Boris because he forgot to invite Andrea to his party

    Boris is telling people to go to Andrea’s party

    Michael is trying to stab Andrea because she is holding her own party because Boris didn’t invite her to is and Michael has forgotten that he wanted to be at the same party as both Boris and Andrea

    As not enough people have gone to Michael’s party it’s been cancelled. Everybody says he is both too nerdy and dangerous. His friends Dominic and Nick have been caught bullying.

    Theresa fell asleep during Dave’s speech about Tony getting into a fight with a foreign kid

    Theresa has hired the event organisers who ran Dave’s disaster stayover party. She runs the risk of getting 17 million declines for her big prom party in 2020.

    Jeremy has apologised for his friends who shouted ‘Fight, Fight, Fight’ when Tony got a bit aggressive after drinking too much with his cousin George

    Jeremy’s ex mates have left his party and are trying to get him thrown out of his flat because he is a useless party host but they are all in trouble for encouraging Tony to go and fight with the foreign kid

    Jeremy has some new people at his party but they are not cool

    Tim is telling everybody how one of his previous housemates tried to break up Tony’s fight but nobody is listening

    Nigel has left his own party because he has got everybody completely rat arsed

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  139. Spawny Get says:

    A true patriot

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  140. Liz says:

    My condolences as well, on 7/7, Swithy. 😦
    At my old debate forum was actually had a (regular) poster from the UK who said he was within minutes of being a casualty.
    He’d just stepped off the underground about fifteen minutes before. He posted a few hours later, that day, and said his adrenaline was still running high. Pretty surreal to read it at the time. 😦

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  141. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Spawny Get,
    I vaguely remember “Soap” but, it was about that complicated.

    After being reminded of Theresa May dozing off, I have to say again that it a terrible idea to make a diabetic the Prime Minister. To put it bluntly, she won’t survive her term.
    Maybe Liz can confirm or deny.

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  142. Tarnished says:

    You’re one in a million in that respect but, you’re right.

    I think females who give up their unfair advantages are few and far between, but I’d hope it’s more than 1 in a million. Didn’t Liz do something similar?

    It doesn’t lead to dignity or competence.

    Imho, it leads to molly-coddling, unnecessary hand holding, and is basically insulting. The way I always view “empowering” or chivalrous actions is thus;

    Here you go little girl.
    We know you can’t do shit for yourself, so we’re going to help you out like you’re nothing but a child playing pretend.

    Fuck that.
    If I’m going to be doing something…whether getting a degree, a job, or a loan…it’s damn well because I’m proving myself capable of it.

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  143. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    The dark side to affirmative action is that it circumvents merit. They’ll all be looked at sideways and never trusted to be competent.


  144. Liz says:

    You don’t necessarily get a choice, Tarn.
    For many (maybe most?) job applications it is required to state your sex and race.

    I haven’t read all of the posts here…living the household goods dream right now boxing and packing, just reading sporatically. 🙂

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  145. Liz says:

    I don’t know what I’m supposed to confirm or deny? I don’t know a thing about Theresa May.

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  146. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Do you know anything about diabetes? I understand that she is Type 1.


  147. Liz says:

    Diabetes mellitus is pretty manageable now, I think. As long as she takes care of herself.

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  148. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Thanks, It wasn’t the answer that I was expecting but, I will defer.


  149. BuenaVista says:

    Sully saved the plane by a) not turning back and b) turning on the APU. The computer chose optimal aoa (angle of attack ) and they rode it in.

    I can reference three forced landings and a helicopter crash.

    The dead stick instrument (ils) approach at Teterboro was the big one. I had a five year old in the back seat. 500 and two.

    Anyway, Sully’s a hero but the airplane computer selected the critical aoa and glide speed (same thing).

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  150. BuenaVista says:

    Well, not exactly the same thing. The Navy and air force fight about this. I fly aoa, which means if I’m high i pick the nose up. Air force squats to pee or something. (Longer runways.)

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  151. BuenaVista says:

    Reviewing the comments, I’m just curious why a woman would ask other women to describe what’s attractive to men.

    Is it because me don’t know what they like?

    Or is it because women prefer to tell men what they should like?

    I vote: Door #2 for approx $1,000,000,000,000.

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  152. Liz says:

    There are a lot of co-morbidities with diabetes mellitis if the person doesn’t keep the blood sugar under control but if they do it’s okay. Not awesome but no death sentence people live well into old age with it.

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  153. Tarnished says:


    You don’t necessarily get a choice, Tarn.

    True, but one does what one can. Personally, if it seems like there’s a possibility I’ll be the recipient of a beneficial-but-misandric action, I’ll do everything in my power to avoid it. Like signing up for the Draft when it’s not a requirement for my sex, declining the grants and scholarships I got for being a “woman in business”, paying when I go to a sports bar even if it’s Ladies Night, never using a feminine voice or tears to get out of receiving a Fix-it ticket…The list goes on.

    Yes, I’m positive my life could be significantly easier if I played up the fact I have a vagina, but that is not honorable. A random chance of birth shouldn’t affect how I’m treated.

    (In my opinion, of course! I know others here have said they like chivalry and being treated different/as a woman.)

    For many (maybe most?) job applications it is required to state your sex and race.

    Do they?
    None of the ones I’ve filled out have. Neither my current job, the one I had for the previous 11 years, nor my teenage job asked for my ethnicity or sex. Admittedly, this is only 3 employers out of millions…

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  154. Cill says:

    My point at 10:51 pm was clear enough. The discrimination in Engineering is against men, not women.

    To maintain their flow of unearned advantages, women complain to the point where maleness itself becomes an oppression. In their limited way of thinking, at the moment we are conceived nature determines whether we are to be labelled an oppressor (male) or a victim (female). On the other hand, when it suits women, gender is not determined by nature at all, it’s a social construct. Actually it’s simultaneously in two opposite states, and the only permitted monitors of those states are female. Men may not open Schrödinger’s box.

    Bloody hell it’s a crock of shit. Affecting half of humanity, it’s potentially more catastrophic than racism. To call it mentally retarded would be too kind.

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  155. Spawny Get says:

    I hadn’t heard of the Sully movie but had watched a few documentaries about what happened. I linked the documentary above which covered the incident and the inquiry. The drama was the brief flight. All the stuff in the trailer seemed to be made up wholesale.

    From the doc:
    By the time they knew they had no engines (35 seconds after the bird strikes) no airport landing was possible according to many many simulator runs.
    The auxiliary generator that Sully started out of standard procedure sequence was said to have been critical because it kept the instruments working and the flight computers (as BV said)
    The pilot – copilot teamwork was outstanding.

    Missing from that doc was that Sully was an expert glider pilot. Which I heard elsewhere.

    The trailer seemed obsessed with feelz and was he a drunk? Horseshit.

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  156. Spawny Get says:

    “Is it because me[n] don’t know what they like?”

    It’s because men can’t be relied on to give the right answer.

    The sexist bastards keep harping on about irrelevances like perky baps, sweet personality, healthy sex drive, femininity…the bastards.

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  157. Spawny Get says:

    “Men may not open Schrödinger’s box”

    Filth! Disgusting!

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  158. Spawny Get says:

    “I have a vagina”

    Bordering on oversharing? I think that that squeeked in under the line.

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  159. Spawny Get says:

    I gather that it’s the second semi final’s final score

    Garlics 2 Sausages 0

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  160. Farm Boy says:

    Men may not open Schrödinger’s box.

    They might find Liz nekkid

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  161. Farm Boy says:

    Or maybe not.
    Depends on how you look at her

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  162. Farm Boy says:

    The sexist bastards keep harping on about irrelevances like perky baps, sweet personality, healthy sex drive, femininity…the bastards.

    Send them to re-education camps

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  163. Tarnished says:

    My point at 10:51 pm was clear enough. The discrimination in Engineering is against men, not women.

    When the scales are weighed so far onto a single side as to practically tip it over, it becomes a feat of madness to insist that the heavier side is still lacking.

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  164. Farm Boy says:

    Here is part of the inspiration


  165. Tarnished says:

    It’s because men can’t be relied on to give the right answer.

    Lol! Oh no, of course not. /sarcasm

    I’ve always wondered…if you’re attracted to a specific guy, why not just find out what *he* likes?

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  166. Farm Boy says:

    makes a simple point: Prosecutors almost never have direct evidence of intent, unless a defendant kindly confesses, “Yeah, not only did I do it, I intended to do it.”

    Rather, intent is established through indirect evidence — chiefly false exculpatory statements, statements designed to mislead about the facts, because the defendant knows the facts show his guilt. Thus, lies are used to show consciousness of guilt, which in turn indirectly establishes intent.

    Comey’s answer to this was to hem and haw and just look vaguely confused.

    Near the end of the hearing, Jason Chaffetz took another run at this intent issue — he asked, “How can you say Hillary had no intent when she obviously intended to deliver classified information into the hands of between two and ten persons not cleared to see it?” — namely, her lawyers and the various IT people with access to these classified documents (via her unsecured, unauthorized email system).

    That is plainly intent to share classified information with uncleared persons. Satisfying the “intent” standard.

    Comey’s response was to once again babble like a fool, and claim he could not find any “evil intent.”

    See that? The statute doesn’t require intent, but Comey says he reads it to require intent anyway. Then Gowdy and Chaffetz prove that even by this misreading, Hillary still has intent.

    Then Comey says: “Yes, but no evil intent, like to obstruct justice or deliver the information into enemy hands.”

    No matter what you probe Hillary did, Comey ups the ante for what he claims must be proven, then says it’s not proven.


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  167. Farm Boy says:

    There is a new post


  168. Cill says:

    Look at old Nige’s wicked grin there. Onya Nige.

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  169. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    As for opening Schroedinger’s Box, I don’t think that you will find Liz out of her elegant and well maintained fur coat.

    “It’s because men can’t be relied upon to give the right answer.”
    This may be another instance of women attempting to dictate to men what they are allowed to find attractive. Not going to work.


  170. SFC Ton says:

    A woman/ women trying to dictate anything to a man is shit testing said man

    Espically so when the issue is directly related to the SMP.

    Ifor a woman sees a man with a fat chick, older gal or ugly bitch he has shown himself to be of low SMP value

    Sort of the opposite sige of the pre selection coin. Telling her you agree to her fat is beautiful type of bullshit comfrims a man’s beta status


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