Soaking In Feminism


From this article,

Early on, I learned a lesson that likely saved my marriage. Like many young, newly married women, I had assumptions about what a good husband did. Despite my aversion to second-wave, sixties feminism, they were very second-wave ideas.

I was young and did not yet understand how much those ideas had become the baseline assumptions. Few thought about where the ideas came from. It was just how marriage was arranged. I expected perfect 50/50 chore allocation and separate bank accounts, but like many such women who had absorbed only the feminist lessons that gave choices to women but avoided any responsibility arising from those choices, I also wanted my husband to do the traditional breadwinner duty.

Let us consider this.  She did not want to be identified as a Feminist, but nevertheless, she liked what they advocated, even though she pretended that she did not.  Well, at least she eventually had some introspection.  Probably the Feminists of the era were ugly and mean in manner; and what woman would want to be associated with that.  After all, everybody knows that men do not like that those attributes, and women, though Feminist, still wanted men.

Through her soaking in Feminism from childhood, these ideas were internalized; not going anywhere.  Lots of independence stuff for her, more work for him, and the same breadwinner status for him that guys have always had.  What is not to like from her perspective?

In short, my expectations ranged from logically conflicted to merely unfeasible. This made me a very discontented young wife.

One day, the morning after we scared our dog with a horrible fight about nothing, I lay in bed, wallowing in self pity because marriage was hard. I’d been the good girl. I’d done the right things. Marriage was supposed to be easy, the happy culmination to a slightly longer than expected Happily Ever After tale.

She did the right things.  She followed the Feminist script.  The expectations were high, and the results were not there.  Perhaps part of the problem is with the expectations, but that is for another post.  It seems that she is just about to an introspection point.  We will see…

Looking back, I now see I was in mourning for the fantasy. Thanks to some wise mentors, the priest who married us, and two long married friends, I grew up that morning. I finally accepted responsibility. I would start worrying more about the kind of wife I was than the husband I had. I arose and started to do just that.

The change was instant. Three days later and anyone observing Jim and me would have thought that we’d always had a partnership marriage. (He’d moved to worrying more about the kind of husband he was the moment he said “I do.” My expectations were the block to our partnership and his steady faith in me was one of the reasons I got through it all.)

And what was the fantasy that she was mourning for?  The Feminist Script. She tried a different script.  Some might suggest it is the one described in the Bible.

And now she admits it: much of the problem was due to expectations; ones that were planted by Feminism.

As a mother, I’ve put this lesson on repeat. Ask my children how often I say, “You worry about you,” or “The only behavior you can control is your own and I expect you to do so.” They can quote me with spot-on inflection.

She teaches her children about personal responsibility.  The world is an unforgiving place.  It however rewards those who can channel their behaviors in a positive manner.

All of this came to mind last week. The White House Council for Women and Girls* put on the United State of Women Summit, a conference of “intersectional feminist evangelism.” For the feature event, Oprah Winfrey interviewed Michelle Obama. Keeping with the #HeForShe theme popular the past few years (turns out women do need men to help them succeed), Oprah asked the first lady how men can help women. “Be better,” she replied. “[B]e better husbands. Do the dishes. Don’t babysit your children. You don’t babysit your own children. Be engaged. Don’t just think going to work and coming home makes you a man.”

Many fathers are actually very engaged with their children.  Perhaps more so than in previous generations.  The ones that are not are typically from poor and/or broken homes fostered in the US by the Great Society and its successor welfare programs. Who’s fault is that?

And also do the dishes.   Dunno, but there are dishwashers these days.

We women are lecturing men on how to be better fathers without regard for how we prevent them from doing so. When the first lady tells men not to babysit their children she seems unaware that often mothers or the family courts (after women initiate divorce proceedings) treat men as babysitters, or worse.

One wonders what women really do want out of fathers…

Slaughter has written on the need for women to allow men to participate as active fathers, so her Father’s Day tweet is particularly tone-deaf. “Be just as competent as…”  drips with condescension, and judging from the reply thread, she did not anticipate the negative reaction.   Men are drowning in a sea of condescension, where women assume they do everything—and everything right—while men can’t do anything well enough.

I think women miss their own arrogance because second wavers insisted that we focus on perfect ratios, like 50/50 chore allocation. Modern life is bound by measurement, as if something is not real unless we can chart it in a graph.  Time and money make easy, convenient metrics. So we adjust standards for their measurability.

But the faulty assumption under the ratios does the real damage. We assume that mothers and fathers are interchangeable.

Why yes, the assumptions do do damage.  Mothers and fathers are different.  And they should be different.  Parent A and Parent B just does not work.  They should have complementary skills, and through these, raise well adjusted children.

With different skills, the metrics are more difficult to compare.  Those looking for grievances will have difficulty adjusting.  Perhaps they can go beyond that.  Perhaps the well being of the children would be incentive enough.

 

P.S. I just noticed that  Dalrock is addressing roles

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106 comments on “Soaking In Feminism
  1. Yoda says:

    Clever Farm Boy is.
    Used the “For the Children” gambit he did
    Resist this post now people can not

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  2. BuenaVista says:

    Basically it comes down to two things.

    Be better in bed than other men available to her.

    Make more money than what other men, available to her, make.

    If you satisfy those two conditions, it’s just a matter of ignoring the Resting Bitch Face you’re going to encounter 5 days out of seven. Because you bought the wrong dish detergent or don’t have a Gulfstream yet.

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  3. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    It all stems from having unrealistic expectations. Had this woman not sought counsel, she would have frivorced. I don’t think that my women can find sound counsel. As ususal, men are judged behind their back and can do little to affect the outcome.
    Feminism is a beast and the cure for it is to starve it.

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  4. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    What if this woman relied on the advice of daytime television?
    That would make things worse instead of better in a hurry.

    Like

  5. Yoda says:

    Fuzzie Bear,

    Not sure if sought advice she did.
    Seemed to come to the realization on her own it seems.

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  6. Yoda says:

    Wonder if Michelle Obama impressed with her husband she is.
    Wonder if impressed she was when a “community organizer” he was…

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  7. horseman says:

    #heforshe?
    fuck it.
    #heforNOBODY and #sheforshe (a.k.a. #doityourdamnselffish)
    and #bicyclesfornobody

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  8. Yoda says:

    So roles husband and wife they should have?

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  9. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Yoda,
    Sought counsel she did.
    “Looking back, I now see I was in mourning for the fantasy. Thanks to some wise mentors, the priest who married us, and two long married friends, I grew up that morning. I finally accepted responsibility. I would start worrying more about the kind of wife I was than the husband I had. I arose and started to do just that.”
    Fortunate she was. Most counsel would advise the husband to double down on supplication.
    Advice given upthread is flawed. To be better that all men is not possible for a husband. Should women insist that men continue to compete after marriage negates marriage.

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  10. Yoda says:

    Most counsel would advise the husband to double down on supplication.

    Sounds like a post topic this does

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  11. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    While Michelle Obama is married to the President of the United States, I don’t think hypergamy is ever satisfied. She has to be finding fault with him and, yet, how can she find a man who possesses more status? It must frustrate her hypergamy to no end.

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  12. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Yoda, \
    Not a post topic for me. I have not been down that road. However, it is cruel that sources that men go to becayse they trust, end up stabbing them in the back. Whether deliberate or not, the net effect is the same.

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  13. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Completely off topic. H/T to Laura Wood.
    http://www.ksla.com/story/32318535/pregnant-teen-beaten-by-customer-over-straws-while-working-at-wendys
    Can these people be paid enough to endure this? At least, in the police and military, weapons are issued. These people have nothing.

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  14. Farm Boy says:

    I don’t think hypergamy is ever satisfied

    Not unless you make a mental effort to make it satisfied

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  15. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Farm Boy,
    It is out of the hands of men and within the control of women. At a guess, most of them choose not to control it. However, that it should be indulged once married is beyond tolerance. Men who marry can expect their wives to monkey branch. In the end, this is not going to work.

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  16. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    AS a addition to that comment made on the Wendy’s drive thru clerk who was battered, we may never hear about what happens to her assailants but, it’s safe to say that they will likely get a slap on the wrist.

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  17. Yoda says:

    Much violence at Fast Food outfits there is,
    Ronald McDonald shot he was,

    http://www.fox5ny.com/news/166407170-story

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  18. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Yoda,
    I saw that on the other thread. A good link it is. However, should you go to youtube, there is a series of violence in fast food compilations. It is beyond outrageous, considering these people are living at hand to mouth wages. Their public seems to think that it is open season on them.

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  19. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Yoda,
    We haven’t heard from Liz in a while. No, it couldn’t be…?

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  20. Farm Boy says:

    We haven’t heard from Liz in a while

    That Hitler cat chased her away

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  21. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    I love it when hypegamy fails! I may not be the only one too!

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  22. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Yoda,
    You do have a point the Hitler cat was scary. Instead of saying “Meow”, hearing it say “Sieg, Heil!” while raising its right forepaw would be too much.

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  23. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    A thought. It seems that the only defense men have is trust in their wives. I don’t think that Game is strong enough to counter all the feminist bias and hate that modern women are exposed to.
    Thi isn’t going to work.

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  24. Tarnished says:

    The public seems to think that it is open season on them.

    It’s true.
    While working retail, I had a man throw a digital camera at my face (only left a slight bruise), a teen chucked a water bottle at me (she missed), a guy tried to follow me and a coworker home (but I just kept driving through random neighborhoods til he gave up), and had a woman try to grab my ponytail to drag me over the counter (I dodged, but it’s yet another reason I decided to get my current pixie cut).

    All these altercations where simply because they did not get their way, the poor dears. /sarcasm
    Obviously if a minimum wage cashier at a pharmacy won’t do a “return” for a competitor’s item or won’t accept Canadian dollars as a form of payment, the proper response I’d to go batshit insane on their ass. Right?

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  25. Tarnished says:

    So roles husband and wife they should have?

    Of course.
    Everybody has roles.
    You can’t escape them, except *maybe* as a literal hermit who completely shuns society.

    It’s simply a matter of what roles an individual is willing to take on. Some will be traditional, others will not. One has to find a man/woman who complements your role, whatever it may be.

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  26. Tarnished says:

    Or don’t find a complementary partner, and be eternally single. That is also an option for an individual man or woman to choose. 🙂

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  27. Yoda says:

    Agree with this I do.

    I propose a new organization: NAAGP: National Association for the Advancement of Green People.

    http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2016/06/liberalisms-all-purpose-universal-scam.php

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  28. Yoda says:

    It’s simply a matter of what roles an individual is willing to take on.

    What roles men take on they should

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  29. Yoda says:

    In anticipation for reauthorizing the Higher Education Act of 1965, a group dedicated to student rights has offered up model legislation that would make campus sexual assault investigations fairer.

    The group, called Stop Abusive and Violent Environments, released the model bill on June 22 and is working to lobby Congress for its adoption. The bill “supports the rights and interests of both the complainant and accused student, and encourages the involvement of local criminal justice authorities,” SAVE wrote. The bill could also be adapted for the state level as well.

    “Sexual violence can have a devastating impact on victims. Institutions of higher education need to take into account the legitimate interests and rights of complainants and accused students to assure a fair and transparent adjudication process and to achieve reliable outcomes,” the proposed bill states. “All parties should seek to ensure the campus adjudicatory system follows due process procedures in order to protect the innocent and accurately identify the guilty.”

    The bill reins in the ever-expanding definition of sexual assault by limiting it to existing standards. For example, it defines sexual harassment according to a Supreme Court finding (Davis v. Monroe) which says the harassment must be “severe, pervasive and objectively offensive.” In recent years, through “guidance” documents issued by the Education Department’s Office for Civil Rights, colleges and universities have dropped the “objective” part of the definition and allowed anything that anyone sees as offensive (even if most wouldn’t) as enough basis to investigate a student.

    The bill also ensures that support services are offered to both the accuser and the accused. In many bills on the issue and at many campuses, an accuser is provided numerous services while the accused must fend for themselves. The obvious reason for this is that pressure from the federal government has forced schools to treat accusers as instant truth-telling victims and the accused as guilty from the start.

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/rights-group-proposes-bill-to-properly-handle-campus-sexual-assault/article/2595114

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  30. SFC Ton says:

    Fuck introspection; that shit just gets in the way of getting shit done

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  31. Tarnished says:

    What roles men take on they should

    Whatever they want.
    You know I’d certainly never advocate for forcing someone into a role they’re not suited for. If a man wants to be a MGTOW, or father, or husband, then they should be free to do so. If they want to be a breadwinner or a SAHD/househusband, then both those paths should be open to them.

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  32. Cill says:

    I grew up that morning. I finally accepted responsibility. I would start worrying more about the kind of wife I was than the husband I had. I arose and started to do just that.

    Too little too late. Men are opting out in their droves. The well-functioning relationships I’ve known IRL are so atypical, I’d be a fool to believe that modern marriage is anything other than a recipe for hell.

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  33. SFC Ton says:

    What roles men take on they should

    Whatever they want.
    You know I’d certainly never advocate for forcing someone into a role they’re not suited for. If a man wants to be a MGTOW, or father, or husband, then they should be free to do so. If they want to be a breadwinner or a SAHD/househusband, then both those paths should be open to them.
    —————–
    and how many successful societies were created that way? How successful as it been for us in the West as we have adopted such thinking….

    The ablity to think that way despite it utterly failing in the real world reveals something pretty amazing

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  34. BuenaVista says:

    ‘come back, come back, we’ll let you be whomever you wish, promise pink square promise. (See how easy virtue signalling is?)’

    Biology and human history: out.

    HuffPost post-gender rambling: in.

    Anyway, in some parts of the world, people like to say ‘Dont like the weather? Wait five minutes hee hee it’ll change.’

    And that’s what you’re marrying the moment your utility function can’t be fit to her F.I. Open Hypergamy means never having to say you’re sorry. And they’re not going to. It’s like expecting a tornado arriving with a polite disclaimer of ill intent.

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  35. Tarnished says:

    Ton,

    Honestly, I think that all men should be MGTOW, but we both know that won’t happen. Some guys are too paternal and/or traditional to not marry or have kids. So yeah…if a man wants to risk his neck in frivorce court and give up his freedom, who am I to stop him? I will help individual men and women who need it, and do my best to support those close to me, but if the world is gonna burn? Not much one person can do.

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  36. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Yoda,
    I think that Edward R. Murrow would like Ashe Schow.

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  37. Yoda says:

    So the MGTOW role men play they should.
    A poor society that forces this it would be

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  38. Yoda says:

    The University of North Carolina has taken down its Employee Forum post labeling Christmas vacations and staff golf outings microaggressions.

    http://www.campusreform.org/?ID=7774

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  39. JDG says:

    Ton’s right. People choosing what ever roles they want is the type of thinking that has brought us to where we are now. It’s destructive.

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  40. Spawny Get says:

    The UK had a role in the EU according to many, many people. Happy to disoblige.

    My now ex wife clearly believed I had a role as pack mule. Happy to disoblige.

    Fuck being forced into roles.

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  41. Yoda says:

    Women’s role sammich makers it is

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  42. BuenaVista says:

    Curious why being a man means being a pack mule.

    The real issue is whether historical male and female roles existed for historically validated reasons.

    I really don’t care at all if somebody wants to cross dress and cross identify, but elevating a few minor (<5%) outlier populations to social exemplars is quite insane. Of course, and to be fair, the intent of such efforts *is* to fundamentally wreck relations by the 95%.

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  43. Yoda says:

    The police were called to a New Jersey elementary school after a 9-year-old boy made a disparaging comment about the brownies he was eating at an end-of-the-year class party. According to the Philadelphia Inquirer another student interpreted the remarks as racist and instead of just punishing the offender with detention, or calling his parents, or just explaining what he did wrong (if anything at all), the school turned to law enforcement. The cops didn’t press charges but still reported the incident to the New Jersey Division of Child Protection.

    http://heatst.com/culture-wars/cops-called-on-third-grader-for-racist-brownie-remark/

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  44. SFC Ton says:

    way to dance around what I wrote

    your ideals have failed and continue to fail. full stop
    show me the successful/ advanced civilization that did not force gender roles: show me where shit canning them has worked for the West. ie more stable families, lower crime, better incomes etc etc

    If you want props as somehow being a more masculine mind, rise to the challenge not dance around it

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  45. Yoda says:

    In the midst of Pride Month, the hashtag #HeterosexualPrideDay began trending on Twitter early Wednesday morning, with some users calling for equality, tolerance, and fairness in celebrating heterosexuality.

    http://heatst.com/culture-wars/heterosexualprideday-trends-on-twitter-causes-a-stir/

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  46. Spawny Get says:

    It doesn’t mean being a pack mule every time. She grew up in a family where dad was a real (decent nice guy) beta. After a year or so of marriage, I think she decided that I was to change from the man she married into her pack mule (like daddy was for mummy). Our opinions were sadly divergent on the issue. Terminally divergent.

    Her idea of my role was not my idea of my role. There isn’t one role for men and another for women.

    If one were to have an opinion on my attitude, I would hope it would involve me not believing in following social exemplars. Pride marches are anathema to me. I don’t care if you’re gay. I don’t care what you do in private. I refuse to celebrate either. Do what you want but don’t imagine you can demand from me things that I didn’t agree to. Especially complying with penny-ante bullshit on language control and other such mind games…which is why I have no time for SJWs.

    Unless you’re the government and you have guys with guns and/or the ability to lock me up till I die. Obviously that makes some difference.

    But goodnight, it’s already late

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  47. Spawny Get says:

    Ton…me? Confused.

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  48. Yoda says:

    After her repeated demands to have sex were rebuffed, a Florida woman grabbed a hatchet and began beating on the locked door of the bathroom where her beau had sought refuge the

    http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/assault/florida-hatchet-arrest-628903

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  49. SFC Ton says:

    Yes there is one role for men and one for women; that is how civilizations are built and maintained.

    slipping away from that has only caused destruction. It may work for one person here and there but has failed us a people. Working to support a family isn’t being a pack mule…. unless you let the bitch drive the train. Then she’ll turn you into one because that’s what women do to chumps.

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  50. horseman says:

    http://torontolife.com/city/life/spend-generation-manifesto/

    this guy is the ultimate mgtow and feminisms worst nightmare. not a basement troll but a guy making 130k. also very alpha as he got a article in a major t.o. magazine and thumbed his nose at society norms.

    this is the end game. guys with resources saying fuck it I get to spend it because i earned it. and i zpend it on guy stuff.

    and the girls are pissed because they say coyly can i have some? for no reason. to which the guy says NO. not an explanation just NO. go away.

    and the bitches go crazy. a guy wont marry up. wont share for the magic vajayjay. wont even acknowledge his role in society as described by his better. why its..its…unacceptable.

    arrest him. but how. he wasnt with us so cant cry rape. he ignores us so cant cry misogony. whaaaa its not fair.

    the dude is a god.

    except for the fucking hipster hat.

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  51. horseman says:

    and the comments are hilarious with jealousy. loser. not settling down.peter pan. fuck yeah. why not.
    no chains. no mortgage. he could fuck off to vermont to ski for a season if he wanted.

    and Pharmacist. i.e. STEM. big time $. He can walk into any city on the planet and get a job. more in demand than doctors. and its big time science. bsc plus 2 years specialization then licencing boards. this is no lucky hipster. this dude EARNED it and is saying MY TURN.

    Too bad for the jelous draft horses.

    basically my life reversed. kids gone. pay off my mortgage and all otber debt in next three years then party my mid 50s onwards with my 100k salary.

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  52. horseman says:

    huffpo and others are going apeshit over this. tehe.

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  53. BuenaVista says:

    Spawny, denying socio-sexual roles by saying you reject being a pack mule is not discussion.

    We were all inclined to be pack mules once, but the false binary of ‘no roles’ vs. ‘beta pack mule’ is puerile. As is advising any man to be some plastic role du jour mannequin.

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  54. horseman says:

    What is scary is this is coming.maybe not the live at home but the well educated millenial who rents, ignores having a family, does as he pleases. the modern mgtow. not our generation who went mgtow after doing our society part amd frivorced etc. but never played to begin with. i.e no roles but those he makes for himself.

    the future.

    p.s. sounds a lot like the women riding the carousel living only for tomorrow doesnt it? well they want men to be more like women so this it. but as men we go for the mgtow carousel instead. and we can ride it forever and ever and ever. no wall. hehehehehehahahahahahah.

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  55. Tarnished says:

    Ton…me? Confused.

    He meant me, Spawny.

    way to dance around what I wrote…
    If you want props as somehow being a more masculine mind, rise to the challenge not dance around it

    No props necessary. Does water deserve kudos for being wet? No. It just is what it is. Same here.

    Also not dancing around the subject, just short on time for commenting. Having 4 hours of commuting/driving each day and a 10 hour shift + the fact I’m still packing up parts of my home to move = not much extra time for blogs.

    your ideals have failed and continue to fail. full stop

    My “ideals” are very similar to Spawny’s and Horseman’s, as far as I can tell.

    Remember, Ton, I’m not a SJW or a Fem. I do not think men should abandon masculine roles, nor should women abandon feminine roles just because our fucked up society tells them to. As I’ve said previously, I truly think that traditional roles are what work best for the majority (but not 100%) of the population. Even you stated as much when you said “It may work for one person here and there but has failed us a people.”

    Believe it or not, I agree with this. I also agree with your statement of “slipping away from that has only caused destruction”. One would be a fool to say otherwise.

    But society is what it is. I don’t think MGTOW or Herbivore lifestyles are good for society, just like I don’t think women giving up on having children is good for society.

    Now, is that irrefutable fact going to suddenly make someone like Cill go get hitched or cohabitate with a woman? Fuck no.

    Is it going to make someone like me give up the unmarried life or go pop out babies? Even more fuck no.

    I acknowledge that society is hurting by the idiocy that involves vast numbers of both men and women being socially forced and horribly pressured into giving up roles they’d have naturally been happy in. It’s an atrocity.

    But it is not something you, or I, or anyone can change except on an individual level.
    So fuck it. Why try to condemn males for not “stepping up to the plate” when their female peers aren’t even on the Godsdamned field?

    I will not.
    I’ll live my life as best I can for me, my loved ones, and my immediate community and hope that others do the same. If that means more men protect themselves by becoming MGTOW, so be it. Not that they need it at all, but they have my full support.

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  56. Tarnished says:

    huffpo and others are going apeshit over this. tehe.

    C’mon now, Horseman…
    Would you expect anything else from those who think they’re entitled to another person’s money and accomplishments just by virtue of their sex?
    It’s sad, really.

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  57. horseman says:

    agree with both ton and tarn.

    ton in that in the ideal men need to just be men as thats the only way society runs. conceptually it is the only way.

    at a individual level i agree with tarn. the world is fucked. its not going back without a major reset so let everyone be what they want.

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  58. Yoda says:

    Employers and employees in Washington D.C. are legally prohibited from referring to a transgender employee or coworker by the “wrong” pronouns or asking “personal questions” about their gender identity, according to the city’s Office of Human Rights (OHR).

    OHR published a best practices guide for “valuing transgender applicants and employees” earlier this month with a list of “behaviors by supervisors or coworkers [that] may be considered unlawful harassment or a hostile work environment.”

    One of the listed prohibited behaviors is: “Deliberately misusing a person’s preferred name or pronoun.” …

    The “best practices” guide featues a chart on “gender and gender-neutral pronouns” that includes the gender-neutral pronoun “ze.” The chart includes example phrases using the gender-neutral pronoun, such as “Ze smiled,” “I met zir,” “Zir bike” and “Ze is zirself.”

    http://dailycaller.com/2016/06/27/d-c-will-fine-you-for-calling-a-transgender-person-the-wrong-pronouns/

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  59. horseman says:

    ideallyen should step up. if and only if women are worth stepping up for. then I would.

    but I aint holding my breath.

    as i said before the courtesian life is the natjral extension of things

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  60. BuenaVista says:

    The guy’s a putz exploiting his parents so he can max out his consumerist lifestyle.

    And I’m SO IMPRESSED he makes $130k as a salary man.

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  61. horseman says:

    bv

    i mean he earns his money and says why to the societal roles. who needs them. and if his folks didnt want him at home they would send him on his way.

    i give cred for doing as he pleases and not following the herd script.

    as you said. bed better than the next guy and earn more so you can have resting bitchface 5 days a week.

    what the hell for??

    if i earn more than the next guy and can get laid why put up with resting bitchface. say no. send her on her merry way.

    i will give up my hard earned money and time for a SMILING face only. bitchface can piss off.

    the mrs was gone for five months a few years ago. i made it clear. you have to be better than me alone not just better than all other women. otherwise it aint worth it.

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  62. Tarnished says:

    The “best practices” guide featues a chart on “gender and gender-neutral pronouns” that includes the gender-neutral pronoun “ze.” The chart includes example phrases using the gender-neutral pronoun, such as “Ze smiled,” “I met zir,” “Zir bike” and “Ze is zirself.”

    For Fucks Sake.

    The English language already *has* a gender-neutral pronoun. It’s called them/their. You can use it for anyone you don’t know the sex of, and it’s not offensive like calling someone “It” as though they are a something. We don’t need all these other ridiculous sounding terms. They serve no purpose other than to call even more attention to individual differences.

    On second thought, perhaps that’s what these kind of transfolk want…

    As for deliberately using the wrong pronoun, yeah I can see how that could cause issues. Not to mention, it’s simply unprofessional and juvenile.

    I personally don’t give a single shit whether you call me she, he, or they. Just be, y’know, polite. I’d actually prefer they/them, if I’m being honest. (Is that oversharing, Yoda?)

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  63. horseman says:

    Tarn a rare gem she is
    opinion without bitchiness she has
    friends she is.

    but civil discourse and ability to disagree
    makes space fun it does

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  64. Tarnished says:

    Precisely, Horseman.
    Why have people in your life who negate from rather than add to it?
    I do not, and expect that most others seek to reject these parasites as well. Only those who have a desire for readily available drama and contention would keep such company.

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  65. Tarnished says:

    Yodish official language of Spawny’s Space it is.

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  66. Tarnished says:

    Thank you for the compliment, Horseman. I do appreciate it, but don’t deserve it.

    One is not a gem simply for being agreeable in personality. Correct?

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  67. horseman says:

    in this day and age yes it does.

    compliments are freely given and meant.

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  68. Tarnished says:

    Then I thank you again.
    I’d consider you a friend, Horseman.

    Similar to my offer to Fuzzie, I invite you to lunch/dinner if you’re ever in New York. My treat, so long as the restaurant is within my means.

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  69. Yoda says:

    My person pronoun “Yoda” it is.
    My name “Yoda” it is.
    If use incorrectly 100 quatloos the fine would be

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  70. Moehau Man says:

    Yes well, my pronoun is Moe. Moe tupping, Moe feasting. Moe of this, Moe of that. If used incorrectly, expect Moe of the Kauri Club.

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  71. Moehau Man says:

    “Some spell it Mo’e”, Mrs Moehau Man (my diverse old mum) explained just then, “just as I am sometimes known as Mrs Mo’e Man. Especially”, she added, “if I’m in season.”

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  72. Moehau Man says:

    “Mo’e is Moe with a silent ‘r'”, she expanded.

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  73. Farm Boy says:

    I just love those names with apostrophes in them. I am not talking about “accent marks”. No, I am talking about the ones where the apostrophes are there, and there is no letter that is left out. They are there just for shits and giggles.

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  74. Moehau Man says:

    “I am indeed diverse”, Mrs Moehau Man expounds, “”as I will readily pair with jokers both large and middling. But”, she warns, “I draw the line at the hunchbacks.”

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  75. Cill says:

    I don’t know if y’all noticed my hasty deletions, but the demarcation issues between Moe and myself are increasing in frequency these days. Oddly, the frequency seems to increase after one or ‘tother of us has had a shot.

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  76. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Horseman,
    Single family dwellings as a real estate investment are very attractive to housewives. They like to see appreciation. While Toronto is a hot market, what goes up, must come down. I noticed how he spent a lot more space discussing real estate than women. Canada missed out on the 2008 housing crash. Why do I think it will be hard hit? For those in it, minimizing your exposure to your own modest home would be wise and diversifying your portfolio in other areas.
    No doubt the would be gold digging housewives are screaming. He is the fish that got away.
    Not without good reason. A couple of years ago Roosh’s forum blew up with fourteen pages of laments about Toronto women. Long before his lecture series, he went up there on a fact finding mission to check out the clubs. He said that his time would have been better spent in the room with a good book.
    The way that I read it, Toronto women have cut their own throats.

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  77. Moehau Man says:

    “There have been demarcation issues between that foreign bloke Cill and me as well”, Mrs Moehau Man (my anxious old mum) opines, “which is even more disturbing”.

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  78. Yoda says:

    Moe much shorter than Cill he is.
    Easy to tell apart they should be.

    Also Moe much more body hair has he does

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  79. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Cill,
    You’re not crazy. I have heard that ventriloquists get into terrible arguments with their dummies. It is situation normal.

    AS for roles, it is not anyone’s place to put me in their pidgeonhole. I will try to show them the same measure of respect.

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  80. Cill says:

    The only good thing to come out of Toronto was Choicy with a bunch of land whales in hot pursuit.

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  81. Cill says:

    I didn’t know an Aussie could run so fast.

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  82. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    From COTWA
    http://www.cotwa.info/2016/06/officials-man-decapitated-acquaintance.html

    The short version. A woman complains to a man that she was assaulted and that man goes and kills the accused. His criminal liability is obvious.
    What is hers? She has to bear some as she provoked a man to murder.

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  83. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Cill,
    Got video?

    Like

  84. Cill says:

    Fuzzy I left that comment for Choicy. He was threatening to look in on the blog this arvo but there’s been no sign of him as yet.

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  85. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Cill,
    It is always good to hear form him.

    Molly!!! You’re back on your motorcycle! Burrito, burrito, burrito, :bear , roll
    I am glad to hear that . You must be on the mend. Do not attempt this until you are fully recovered.
    : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4DE3r-x7FM#t=216.955011

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  86. Choicy says:

    Yeah Cillo I was not the only one mate. As I remember Toronto you couldn’t wait to get out of it fast enough yourself mate. Speaking for the traveller the only choice between Toronto and Khartoum is land whales or goats mate. Choicy’s advice to the uninitiated. If you land in Toronto take steps to get out of the city quick as a whip and make the steps bloody long ones mates. Do not dip your wick where you WILL regret it mates.

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  87. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Choicy,
    I think that you can cook and eat goats. Sounds like Khartoum might be a better destination. 🙂

    Like

  88. molly says:

    Hi Choicy!

    Fuzzie my fav old bike 1955 Norton 500

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  89. Choicy says:

    Yeah Fuzzie Khartoum might be a better destination which makes Toronoto the worst destination on the planet mate.

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  90. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Molly!!!
    Bear Likes!!!

    Choicy,
    Not to be unkind to Horseman but, I don’t think that anyone would eat landwhale.

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  91. Choicy says:

    I watched the old Norton clip all the way through molly my mate. Riding was different back then and when they went to bed the saddle sores niggled them at night I bet. I agree the Manx was a good old bike for its day. Is your big cuzzie still here molly or did I miss him again?

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  92. molly says:

    You missed him, he is outside spotlighting possums. I am nosing around his new pad. Coool. Wow. I can’t open most of it. 🙂

    Liked by 1 person

  93. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    He doesn’t want you getting into mischief.
    I am glad that you are keeping Cill company.

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  94. Choicy says:

    What you can’t open wont hurt you. Ignorance is virtue molly my mate.

    I’m glad you’re mending up body and limb. Pass on my regards to Cillo and we’ll catch up another time. There is afternoon’s work ahead in the great southern land.

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  95. molly says:

    Goodnight Choicy and Fuzzie. Dog is back and time to go. Bye.

    Liked by 3 people

  96. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Good to talk to you Molly!

    Like

  97. Spawny Get says:

    I think that all my points have been made for me, so I’ll leave you to it. Bigger fish to fry in the UK, but I’m very happy that the conversation on other topics continues.

    new post

    Like

  98. Spawny Get says:

    Living the dream

    Live in the UK right now

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  99. Spawny Get says:

    Too funny to be wasted on the losers in the politics thread

    The EU has reacted to the wrong voting on the referendum with a new poster campaign

    H/T Here

    Research into confirmation bias at Scarfolk University in 1973 showed that 87% of people will not deviate from their beliefs, no matter how much counter evidence is presented to them. However, the study found that the figure drops considerably if torture is used, with more than 50% of subjects losing all their beliefs, largely because their brains stop functioning during the study.

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  100. horseman says:

    love the poster. American version when Trump gets elected?
    The great unraveling has begun. Folks are taking back from the talking heads.

    Choicy is right. College in T.O. was a nightmare. SJW taken to the next level. How do you think we got Pretty Justin. As T.O. votes the country votes.

    Luckily I moved out to the country twenty years ago. My century farmhouse and fifty acres cost meess then 200k. Couldn’t buy a T.O. crackhouse for that.

    And no one eats landwhale. Not even other landwhales. Its why they are so frustrated.(see what i did there)

    Actually other good things to come out of Toronto back in the 80s was Triumph, Geddy Lee and Dan Ackroyd.

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  101. Yoda says:

    According to an “educational presentation” on the Longwood University website, being an outspoken pro-life advocate may be a form of “assault.”

    The presentation, first reported by Campus Reform, lists “an anti-abortion person attack[ing] my pro-choice beliefs” as one of several “examples of assault,” along with “A student slashed my tire (on my car)” and “Almost being raped.”

    http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jun/28/university-counselor-being-pro-life-assault/

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  102. SFC Ton says:

    just read about the canadian dude who won’t buy a house

    even given the exchange rate for the numbers he is talking I bought a house on a semi famous river/ bay/ beach with the Atlantic being about 5 minutes away via boat and damn near a lake house inshore.

    them thar housing costs are insane

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  103. Cill says:

    I’m finding this interesting (real estate prices in parts of USA and Canada).

    NZ has a reputation for very high prices, driven up by wealthy immigrants and offshore buyers. To buy a moderate but sound house property in Auckland you’ll have to pay at least 1 million US dollar equivalent. A good property will cost millions. For something special (top location, spectacular views, palatial home) you’ll pay tens of millions, or even into the 9 figures bracket (US$100 million+).

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  104. Yoda says:

    A new post there is

    Like

  105. SFC Ton says:

    The USA is to large to make a nation by nation comparison CIll

    A place like mine in Hawaii is into the millions; there are a large number of 100 million dollar homes there and I was rather unimpressed with the mansions I saw there. Reckon same would be said for homes like this in California. My house would be less expensive in South Carolina or more remote sections of the the Outer Banks. I found places out there priced about 60% of my current home

    I picked the place for the view. Its on the tip on a peninsula. A nice wide river to my left, a bay to my right and you can see the ocean straight down the middle.

    My lake home, our full time place, is a log cabin type of thing and I was able to buy the lot next to it. Even then it was less then our Outer Banks place

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