The Final Step


Hillary wants to change childcare in the US.  An excerpt for the Washington Post,

Clinton intends to accomplish the 10 percent cap with tax credits and subsidized child care, according to her campaign. Details on how the plan would be funded and executed will come later this year, aides said.

A proposal last year from the Center for American Progress, a policy idea wellspring for Democrats, could offer a clue. Carmel Martin, CAP’s vice president of policy, said she has advised the Clinton campaign on child-care issues.

CAP recommended creating a new child-care tax credit, worth up to $14,000 per child. Under the plan, which would target low- and middle-income families, the tax credit would be advanced to parents on a monthly basis and paid directly to child-care provider. The centers, meanwhile, would qualify to receive federal money only if they complied with the state’s quality standards.

The market alone can’t fix affordability and quality issues in American child care, Martin said. A government investment into the system, she said, would boost the current and future labor force.

What is happening here?  This will be the final emancipation of women.  They will be able to work (and naturally have totally awesome careers), and be subsidized for doing so.  Supposedly this is about children and families, but in reality it is about women.  There will no longer be the need for the wife to be part-time, she will be as much of a breadwinner as the husband.  Consider the implications of this. As a side note, if this does come to pass, I would expect that the so called pay-gap reduces in size, and that we would hear less complaining about it.  One can hope.

Of course, there is the question as to how this will be paid for?  It will cost a very large amount.  Taxes will be raised.  There will be lots of men’s taxes that will go up.  There will be many men who will be paying for their own children’s childcare, as well as lots of others children’s childcare.  But of course, the Government pays for the childcare, so it is really calling the shots; surely not the father of the children.

So it difficult to see where men fit into this scheme, other than paying for it.

On another note, nobody cares for your children as much as you do.  Why is there such a push to get women out the house further?  Surely it is not for the children.  I once worked in a working class neighborhood, and had a coworker who lived there.  The Dads worked and the Moms stayed home with the children, for it was not worth their while to have a job and pay child support.  The children were very well adjusted.  The coworker moved to a higher priced area, where both parents worked at high paying jobs in order to afford it.  The children in the neighborhood were much well adjusted.  He was sorry that he moved.

So, do we want an expensive program that probably has a net negative impact on children?  Because, it is all about the children, isn’t it?

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181 comments on “The Final Step
  1. Farm Boy says:

    The bear will be here soon. Yoda told me.

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  2. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    “So it difficult to see where men fit into this scheme, other than paying for it.”
    Simple and true.
    It’s all about bringing more bodies to the labor pool. We’re at the point where two incomes are essential to keep a family afloat, where, in the past, one would do.
    Chalk this up to more evidence that Hillary could care less about American workers and their families.

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  3. Farm Boy says:

    It’s all about bringing more bodies to the labor pool. We’re at the point where two incomes are essential to keep a family afloat, where, in the past, one would do.

    I have always had my doubts about that. I think that people need two incomes in order to have the lifestyle that they would like to become accustomed to. NAFALT Not All Families Are Like That

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  4. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Farm Boy,
    It one thing to say that if you live in the Midwest. It’s quite another in California. Before I left, I had to visit the DMV and I was surrounded by people that actually worked. You know how I could tell? They looked sleep deprived. It’s not that both parents had to work, it’s that both parents had to work two jobs. Schools were closing because working families were leaving.

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  5. Farm Boy says:

    Yes, California has become the place for the very rich and the very poor. The middle class is not welcome.

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  6. Cill says:

    Moe will be here soon. Mrs Moehau Man (his sharp-eyed old mum) told me.

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  7. Moehau Man says:

    Gidday.

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  8. SFC Ton says:

    It does indeed take two income for most families. Farm Boy, I reckon you are overlooking to many factors. Like wage stagnation and the end of Jim Crow. One income families now hae to send their kids to shit schools, you are living in a neighborhood with all sorts of criminal issues etc

    One family income maybe works fine in all White counties or back in the day of Jim Crow but 14 dollar an hour jobs puts you in a bad, bad neighborhood

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  9. Yoda says:

    Moehau Mans have a Hillary they do?

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  10. SFC Ton says:

    given the meth epidemic, not sure $14 or less an hour puts you in a decent school zone etc

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  11. Yoda says:

    That is why homeschool one should

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  12. Moehau Man says:

    Moehau Mans have a Hillary they do?

    Dunno. Does she have a hairy chest?

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  13. SFC Ton says:

    odds are good if you are unskilled enough to be stuck at that pay wage homeschooling is a bad option

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  14. Yoda says:

    Not sure if even Bill knows he does
    (about Hillary that is)

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  15. Farm Boy says:

    My dad worked at modest wages with lots of kids. My Mom was stay at home. It worked as they were frugal

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  16. Farm Boy says:

    Do the Moehau Mans have any young women who look like Web Hubbel?

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  17. SFC Ton says:

    it worked before the drug epidemic, forced busing, before even poor folks had to lock their doors, before accesses to things like tutors/ SAT couches are needed for most kids to succeed in an IQ/ credentials driven economy/ world and what not

    what I see here is an unwillingness to see how society has changed on every level and the progressive notion we are all equally intelligent, gifted special etc

    most people are average or bellow in intelligence and what not

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  18. Yoda says:

    Progressive notion we are all equally intelligent, gifted special etc

    All equal before the eyes of self-esteem they are

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  19. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Ton,
    It’s Memorial Day.

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  20. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Ann Coulter took a lot of grief from the MSM for saying it but, if single mothers are worked out of the numbers, things are pretty much the same for black and white.
    The babymamas have to be put out of business.

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  21. SFC Ton says:

    the crime rates would not agree Fuzzie. The single mom problems of West Va are no where near like the issues in Detroit but Ann Coulter is a liberal and runs from the hard answers

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  22. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    I once got into a small argument with someone who thought Ghengis Khan was on the far right. While he was an absolutist, I think he would have thought well of a civilization that would provide for widows and orphans. After all, he was one. HIs father was poisoned by a competing tribe.

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  23. Yoda says:

    Everybody that dislike they do, “far right” they are

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  24. Yoda says:

    a liberal and runs from the hard answers

    Avoid these they do,
    for realty difficult it is.
    Better to feel good in a fantasyland it is,
    than to do good in a real world it would be

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  25. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    I don’t know how long this will stay up on youtube.

    She lives clear across Canada. This beef is federal.

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  26. Moehau Man says:

    Yes well, the notion that all men are born equal is just daft foreign nonsense. Take good looks, for example. Is everyone blessed with my good looks? Hell no. It’s as stupid as saying we’re all born with the same number of dents on our Kauri Clubs. You foreign jokers might as well hand out doctorates with birth certificates, the way you are going.

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  27. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Sargon of Akkad is going to get them all revved up with this.

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  28. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Moehau Man,
    Maybe, they should be handing out Kauri Clubs?
    Then again, maybe not.

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  29. Yoda says:

    All Moehau Mans equally esteemed in the eyes of a Kauri club they are

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  30. Yoda says:

    She lives clear across Canada

    TrigglyPuff move to Canada she did?

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  31. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    No, it’s Diana Davison who lives clear across Canada. Please watch the video. It is informative and the Toronto Police are acting on behalf of their local feminists.
    Can policemen go to jail for breaking the law? It does seem as if they do a lot of it.

    Also, the feminist horror movie is under three minutes and well worth watching.

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  32. Yoda says:

    Diana Davison who lives clear across Canada.

    Not big enough to do that she is.
    Perhaps Andrea that big she was.
    But not Ms. Davison

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  33. Yoda says:

    To the women and white knights who engaged Sargon, important information reveal I will

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  34. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Yoda,
    Diana Davison skinny she is.
    Andrea big she was but, not that big.
    Now, antidote needed

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  35. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Yoda,
    Silly they are who try to engage on that tactic. However, feminists will find themselves insulted if men do not find them ravishing. Confused they will be.

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  36. Farm Boy says:

    I like this antidote better

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  37. Spawny Get says:

    Jess Phillips is the cumb dunt MP (member of parliament) that laughed at the idea that men had any issues requiring discussion on International Men’s Day. Proudly ugly, stupid, raised as a class warrior. Once claimed to have leadership ambitions for the Labour party

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  38. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    She blocked seven hundred people in one night? She must be either very unpopular or very popular with trolls. Come to think of it, she can’t be too popular with her constituents if she wastes all her time promoting feminism,
    We should all send very nice tweets telling her that we will alll be at our best behavior in her presence.

    Yoda,
    Your antidote is heart wrenching. She is not contemporary. *sniff*

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  39. Yoda says:

    Wonder how many class warriors the world needs I do

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  40. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Yoda,
    Are you not in a class by yourself? Well., there is Mrs. Yoda too.

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  41. Spawny Get says:

    The first speech of every MP in parliament is their Maiden Speech. Nothing to do with their alleged sex.

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  42. Spawny Get says:

    The guy’s accent turns my stomach, but then hers (and her attitudes) are worse. He was unlucky enough to sit on an unlubed dildo by accident (all alleged). She just radiates stupid and entitled.

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  43. Spawny Get says:

    It’s said of some constituencies that the voters are so stupid and tribal that you could stick a red (Labour) rosette on a pig and they’d vote the pig in. The existence of Jess as MP is surely no evidence against that. Come to think of it…

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  44. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Spawny Get,
    There is a similar saying here about yellow dogs and Democrats.
    Jess Phillips is such a stinker! That may prove to be her undoing as no one will work with her. It is a pity that she is in for five years. Congressmen are only elected to two year terms.
    If this is the face of female MPs, I highly recommend expatriating.

    BTW, what is up with men with hyphenated surnames?

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  45. Cill says:

    the cumb dunt MP (member of parliament)

    The encumbent MP?

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  46. Ame says:

    ugh.

    ‘liberating’ women … so more can put their children in ‘state’ day care facilities … where the ‘state’ can further extend its influence to indoctrinate our children earlier than ever … why? b/c women want to be EQUAL! to men and BETTER! than men. stupid, selfish, narcissistic, women … who care for no one and are brainwashed so easily.

    and as always … the kids loose. the men have to pay. till men figure out how to live without making and needing much income … forcing the stupid women to support their own stupid agendas while they whine and complain that no one is helping them.

    and while humans are equally valuable in the eyes of God, and we all must stand alone before our Maker one day and account for all we did and did not do … we are not all intellectually equal. and God has created an order which, when followed, is beautiful … when not followed, destruction ensues.

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  47. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Ame,
    You’re all right.

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  48. This idea will be very popular on the surface, it’s “for the families” after all. But what it will really do is further the illusion that men and fathers are optional. But what will all these state paid childcare centers be like?

    The preschool both my kids went to is amazingly top notch. Learn via play, big focus on developing social/getting along skills over flash cards and such. But when assessed by the state, it scored 2 of 5 stars. Why? B/c it didn’t fit into the box dictated by draconian policies that put check marks over results. This policy only supports more broken families and another generation of kids sacrificed to the blue pill.

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  49. Ame says:

    Bloom – yep.

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  50. Cill says:

    Ame,
    You’re all right.

    As are you, Fuzzy.

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  51. Mo men and mowomen pay taxes they do? Childcare they have?

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  52. Ame says:

    Cill and Fuzzie –

    i’m glad i’m okay 🙂
    all right 🙂

    (although, that’s debatable sometimes … as my beloved children would be glad to inform if they were allowed, but they’re not, so we’ll just go with i’m all right! 🙂 )

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  53. The first five years of a child’s development forms 80% of their personality. Invest early for a lifetime of returns. Invest poorly and the deficit only grows by the year. If one chooses to have children, is doing so well for their sake, and society’s, too much to ask? These are questions I ask myself every day…

    When I was expecting my first I had this quote by First Lady Jackie Kennedy on my fridge: “if one bungles raising their own children, nothing else one accomplishes means very much.” Indeed!

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  54. Moehau Man says:

    Mo men and mowomen pay taxes they do? Childcare they have?

    Yes. Our Moehau Man sheilas attend to the childcare.

    When it comes to taxes, you foreigners call it protection money – you pay due respect to my Kauri Club and it might not bonk you on the head.

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  55. Ame says:

    Bloom – i’m guessing it’s the middle of the night in your time zone, too? you doing okay?

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  56. Cill says:

    Goodnight Ame and Bloom, it’s your sleep time. It’s 8pm here. Sleep well my online friends.

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  57. Tarnished says:

    Re: the post

    I like kids. I’m great with them, and made a heck of a lot of money as a highly recommended babysitter when I was younger. Helped raise my younger siblings more than most other people, too. Children are fantastic little human beings, and families should have the ability to give them all they need.

    But why that should come at my and other workers expense, through increased taxes and government handouts, I do not know.
    I worry that this is not a final step, but the first towards an actual Bachelor Tax. Anyone who is childless and unmarried is screwed…and not in a good way.

    However, feminists will find themselves insulted if men do not find them ravishing. Confused they will be.

    Never understood this concept.
    Is it really so bad if random men don’t find a woman attractive? I *know* that I’m not “ravishing”, or that all men think I’m attractive. Some don’t like blondes, or short hair, or over 5’2″, or size 7, or white, etc. But why be insulted for someone else’s preferences? It’s nonsensical.

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  58. Spawny Get says:

    Those of you wise enough to follow my links 😉 might recall a ConWoman article that was warning women that (paraphrasing) hypergamy plus a misandric society replete with woman favouring laws was going to lead to a catwoman future.

    In the comments the author said that she’d received lessons in the comments of her previous article, well here it is
    Laura Perrins: Feminists and male supremacists have much in common – both are wrong

    For years now the feminists, who I will refer to as the nutters, use the gender pay gap to bludgeon people into thinking women are oppressed. Hah! You should watch some MGTOW videos that positively rail against a ‘gynocentric society.’

    But MGTOW are right on this, aren’t they? Married men do earn more than single men (and women in their thirties) but most of it is spent on their families. MGTOW is also right to say this is an act of self-sacrifice by men. They think this is foolish, I think it is noble.

    In fact, at some point, it says, why earn all this money just ‘to take care of other people?’ Well, why indeed? I guess most men do it because they love their families.

    Interestingly MGTOW disdains feminism and traditionalism (I assume conservatism) in equal measure. ‘Feminists ask men to sacrifice themselves for women, conservatives for society,’ it says.

    Again I accept this – we have pointed out at The Conservative Woman time and again that much of what men have traditionally done is self-sacrificing and done out of service to women and their children. Only the nutters [SG – feminists] cannot see this, or deem it a bad thing. As do, might I add, MGTOW. What strange bedfellows they make.

    And she wonders why she had a can of whoop-arse opened on her in the comments?

    I like the site, but it is what it says on the tin…conservative. And those dumb mofos sure can take a long time to wake up (NACALT)

    Non Disclosed • 5 days ago
    I married an attractive, pleasant, reasonably intelligent woman with a good work ethic. She gradually changed, becoming more aggressive, demanding, princess-like and lazy. Last year she had an affair. I can hardly explain the anger and hurt. So I went to see a lawyer. He said I could expect to lose 65% of the assets despite contributing nearly 100% of them. There would be no “punishment” in settlement terms for her adultery/breach of contract.

    I would also not get custody of the child. The best I could hope for was access. She could also move to any part of the country and basically geographically exclude me.

    She could move the adulterous 3rd party in to be a de facto father to my child. From the little I know of him, this would be an exceptionally bad option for the child.

    So I stay, stuck with a vile, ungrateful, constantly angry liar. I don’t even care about the money any more, but I’ll never, ever expose the child to the hurt and torment the split would bring. So I’m on a grossly lopsided contract that I cannot affect or viably extract myself.

    And you think MGTOW are losers? No. They have worked out the trap. DO NOT GET MARRIED. It is modern slavery.

    Alan • 5 days ago
    Is it “noble” to lose half of your life’s work and assets due to a whim of a wife divorcing – with full feminist state support for the theft? Until the no fault divorce injustice is repealed, “noble” men will become MGTOW in their millions. Sadly, you missed that crucial issue. an issue you must surely have noted in your investigations?

    FairIsFare • 5 days ago
    Marriage has been declining for decades and will only decline further in the future. Why? No- fault divorce and anti-male family courts and laws. Marriage will continue to decline because it was converted into a corrupt institution that allows women to dispose of their husbands while retaining their X husbands current and future assets and income. NAWL (National Association of Women Lawyers) wrote no-fault divorce, first introduced in liberal mecca California, to specifically allow women to divorce their husbands while simultaneously allowing women to keep their husband’s assets and income. Read it again: “…to specifically allow women to divorce their husbands while simultaneously allowing women to keep their husband’s assets and income.” NAWL brags about this to this day. How anyone here thinks this isn’t legalized slavery of men by women I do not know. Must be willful ignorance or self-gratifying denial.

    Given the above – what man in his right mind would sign on to that? The men here today espousing the joys of marriage might very well be facing divorce in their future. My X new several years prior to divorcing me that that was her plan – yet every day prior to that most horrific time in my life – she told me I was loved, family and her best friend. She lied to me every day for years knowing the longer she held out – the more she’d be rewarded financially. That, people, is pure evil. The courts taught me how little I meant as a man by very nearly pushing me into homelessness and suicide.

    The married men here should greatly temper their encouragement of other men into getting married. One day – you could become me – or one of the other hundreds of thousands of men that go through the process I went through every single stinking year.

    No – I will not be remarrying. Yes – marriage will die a well deserved death.

    Laura Perrins Alan • 5 days ago
    Alan,
    I think you underestimate the number of wives traded in for newer models. And no it is not always, because they have ‘let themselves go’, withdrawn sex etc, etc. Some perfectly good wives are traded in. Neither sex is perfect.

    Alan Laura Perrins • 5 days ago
    On the contrary, i do NOT underestimate it. You ought to be ashamed in giving this propaganda and common lie the oxygen of publicity. As posted elsewhere, the vast majority (80%?) are wives divorcing husbands. So much for the feminist “trading up” lies. Of these, the vast majority are “no fault” divorce – the weapon of choice for liars, robbers and cheats. “Some” perfectly good wives…. a very small minority. The VAST majority are perfectly good husbands. Just look at the statistics since no fault divorce was introduced in California then exported (just like the vile Duluth Model) into every other State then across the western world. I understand that Reagan himself later regretted implementing the legislation. Please, play the ball rather than the man. Look at statistics and not propaganda. Neither sex is perfect but only one uses State Feminism for their own insidious and immoral self-serving agenda in the majority of instances. You want to save marriage and society? Then campaign and attack NF Divorce rather than the effects of it, MGTOW. As an aside, I understand you are speaking at the Conference in July. Use your time wisely, talk to the other delegates and speakers – I think you will be most surprised a their comments and views and how many self identify as MGTOW and/or its views.

    Mister Cis (Het and bigotted) Mark Richardson • 5 days ago
    Mark Richardson wrote:

    ‘Russell, MGTOW does not offer men liberation.’

    There is no such thing as MGTOW, there are simply Men Going Their Own Way, so what you think of as the doctrine of ‘MGTOW’ can offer men nothing, and MGTOW are not looking for anything in the way of guidance; they don’t need to be told what to do nor to be given permission to do it. MGTOW need nothing offered to them; they are doing as they please after thinking for themselves and deciding that women are not worth the bother or the expense.

    ‘Men aren’t liberated by being unable to live within their own traditional communities … ‘

    Were you to take off your gynocentric spectacles you might see that you are confused, or brainwashed. You might also see that what you have written could be interpreted as a threat, albeit a lame one. That aside, men are liberated when they understand that what they have been conditioned to think of as their proper role in ‘their own traditional communities’ is actually a lifetime of servitude that ends in bitterness when declining faculties and the approach of death forcefully remind one that the needs of others, who may well express nothing but contempt and hatred for one, were always put before one’s own.

    ‘ … nor by being denied the opportunity to become husbands and fathers.’

    MGTOW are not denied those things, they have chosen to avoid them.

    ‘These are all important to the fulfilment of a masculine nature … ‘

    Really? Seriously? You’re your own man, I’m sure, however, I’m certain that my ‘masculine nature’ was much more likely to have been fulfilled had I not twice made the mistake of marrying. A man’s ‘masculine nature’ is much more likely to be fulfilled if he remains single, and takes the precaution of having a minor surgical procedure – now that really is liberating (telling a woman who says ‘I think I’m pregnant’ that ‘it cannot be me because … ‘ is very liberating) .

    ‘ … and to male identity.’

    My ‘male identity’ has been stifled by both marriage and fatherhood. My ‘male identity’ has been sacrificed in the courts by a thieving parasite and my ‘male identity’ led me to believe that NAWALT, and forced me to learn that AWALT, to some extent. My ‘male identity’, hopes that I live long enough to recover from the destruction wrought upon it by the two women I married. Your ‘male identity’ may depend on providing for a woman, mine does not.

    ‘Men themselves have to insist on reasonable terms to family life, rather
    than just opting out. Reasonable terms do not currently exist, I know.
    Let’s make them exist.’

    Men can insist on whatever we like, however, as things stand, and as you appear to understand, we cannot force women to accede to our demands. All we can do is refuse to play a game we cannot win in the knowledge that we can please ourselves. Human history shows that the powerful make the rules and all the powerless can do is to resolve not to abide by them. As things stand women have the power and they are using it against us. Men are not obliged to acquiesce and collaborate in our subjugation by women.

    ‘Reasonable terms do not currently exist, I know. Let’s make them exist.’

    You can’t reason with unreasonable people. Give up trying to do so and go your own way.

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  59. Yoda says:

    Oddly enough, several upcoming posts about above issues already scheduled they are

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  60. Spawny Get says:

    Other comments
    http://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/laura-perrins-feminists-and-male-supremacists-have-much-in-common-both-are-wrong/#comment-2693400925
    (emphasis mine)

    If he really is your friend, you should not be telling him to marry. There are ZERO good reasons for a successful attractive man to marry these days. It’s utter foolishness. Instead he should tell her what I told my girlfriend when she turned on the marriage heat. ‘I’ll gladly take a ride to Nevada and form a partnership LLC with you. Every behavoir can be stipulated in contract form. What is and is not acceptable can be negotiated and codified into the contract. If and when the partnerhip dissolves, we will negotiate in CONTRACT court not DIVORCE court.’ I told her I would even add a stipulation that grants the aggrieved party ten thousand US for each year of the partnership’s existence. I know I won’t be the one to break the contract. I’d even get her the ring and pointlessly expensive party but, under no circumstances would my name appear on a marriage contract. She lost interest in marriage after that. Women abhor responsibility like nothing else, and the current system in the west absolves them completely.

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  61. SFC Ton says:

    the left can never have enough class warriors, environmental warriors, feminist or SJW or what have you. The rank and file progressive must be true believers.

    Why?

    Because only the various versions of true beliver are dumb enough and indoctrinated enough to live in the sort of national hells progressives create and still blame everything but leftism for the unpleasantness of their life

    massive group think is the only way for the puppet masters on the left to steal the wealth of people and nations and get away with it

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  62. SFC Ton says:

    I’ve never understood the MGTOW earn less thing

    There are way to many ways to legally hide your income, especially if you own your own business

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  63. Liz says:

    As alluded in the excerpt, child care is very expensive. I think on average the cost is about 400 dollars a week for two kids. That’s 1600 a month. In pretax income, that’s around…what? 2000? Then there’s work related expenses (clothing, gas, and so forth). You have to make quite a lot to compensate for that level of expense and come out ahead, so I’m with FB on the stay at home parent gig. I’ve known plenty of professional people who admitted to working only to make a monthly car payment by the end of all the related expenses. A new car that they wouldn’t need if they were at home with the kids (and they aren’t even counting the counseling and therapy expenses, and most were in some sort of therapy…either couples, or family, in individula, and on anti-depressants).

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  64. Liz says:

    Should’ve been 2 k above (or 2000), not 200 k.

    [SG – fixed]

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  65. Liz says:

    When comparing modern-day Hiroshima and Detroit, it appears the long term effects of nuclear bombing are more beneficial than welfare.

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  66. SFC Ton says:

    Man Spawmy, do they take that woman to task in her comment section

    Its good that that she writes; it shows men there are no red pill women in the anti feminist fox hole. which makes sense. Women need community/ society to survive and thrive to a much greater extent then men. That being said, all women need men to return to the plantation. It’s a matter of degrees

    Men on the other hand? Well most of the men in my platoons have been happy to be in places like Iraq and Afghanistan, with little to no luxury (by Western standards), surrounded by brothers, doing had, nasty and dangerous shit. Throw in a hooker and booze every now and then and most would have stayed

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  67. SFC Ton says:

    Well to be fair the Japaneses were advanced people, creating art,technology etc at a high level then momentarily reduced in standing

    Its the exact opposite when dealing with the denizens of Detroit

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  68. SFC Ton says:

    The key word there Liz is professional couples. I live in near on ground 0 of working class people. One salary doesn’t do much for them

    Cut your pre tax income to 14 an hour or less, then think about where you’d be living. and who you would be living with? In some areas of the usa, it takes two working people to get to the 18 an hour mark.

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  69. Ame all is well, I just have very odd and unpredictable sleep habits. 🙂

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  70. Oops I mean Ame, darn autocorrect! 🙂

    [SG – fixed]

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  71. Spawny Get says:

    “there are no red pill women in the anti feminist fox hole”
    I reckon there are a few, very few. I want to encourage them

    “Man Spawmy, do they take that woman to task in her comment section”
    Yeah 🙂
    She lets the comments stand, so as mistaken as she is, she’s got some backbone.
    When she finally realises that ‘man up’ doesn’t work with the growing number of guys who are some sort of MGTOW or Red Piller, maybe she can lead her gang into reforming the Conservatives. DoomedDoomsDave (for Camermong is said to be history after the EU referendum, whoever wins) and his mangina / SJW diversity agenda needs to die.

    At the moment she’s a beacon indirectly waking up men to gynocentrism on the right.
    Maybe she can become a beacon to women to start kicking up a fuss (overwhelmingly in their own interests, not any altruistic motive).

    It’s like the anti-feminists out there (Sargon et al), in many ways they’re still blue pill. They aren’t particularly good at fighting for mens’ rights. They don’t acknowledge gynocentrism and its implications for men (which is what separates MRAs from MGTOWs IMGPO). But they do stick their size 13 boots up the chuff of feminists. They tarnish (no offense) the name of feminism with blue pillers. They make the femeroids look dumb and bigotted…so they’re no enemy of mine right now. And they may end up moving toward the light.

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  72. BuenaVista says:

    Laura Perrins is your typical “I promise to be nice this time” faux red pill woman. Note how reflexively she trots out the shibboleth that women need to be protected from men who trade up. She wants pre-no fault divorce benefits applied to post-no fault reality. Unless they apply equally to men.

    As far as the guy who proposed an LLC instead of a state marriage, this checks out. There are no SIW, claiming to be red pill or not, who forego the nuclear options they alone hold in a state marriage.

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  73. Liz says:

    “The key word there Liz is professional couples. I live in near on ground 0 of working class people. One salary doesn’t do much for them”

    How are they doing it with childcare expenses though?
    You can’t leave a small child at home alone with a salt lick and a bowl.
    I guess the relatives are helping or something?

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  74. Yoda says:

    the left can never have enough class warriors, environmental warriors, feminist or SJW or what have you

    Wonder who does any real work I do

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  75. BuenaVista says:

    I’d rather deal with an in-your-face feminist than these phony tradcon and blue pill women who mouth red pill platitudes. Look at what happens with Perrins, when the issue is fully on the table: she just lies and says women are victimized. There isn’t a single law that protects men and children from female marital vicissitudes. And that’s all she’s got.

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  76. Yoda says:

    I think you underestimate the number of wives traded in for newer models.

    In person never seen this I have.

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  77. Liz says:

    OT (or maybe not so OT…if she’s a mommy):
    “Army is calling the first enlisted infantryman of the female gender after she completed some 2-week course”

    http://thisainthell.us/blog/?p=66040

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  78. Liz says:

    First infantry woman NCO, meant to add at the top…thar.

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  79. SFC Ton says:

    Older kids watch younger kids, family pitches in on occasion, they work split shifts, some times they do leave very young kids on their own. Plus they get all the welfare stuff

    really Liz your line of “logic” this morning is utterly failing this morning

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  80. SFC Ton says:

    If I understand that article Liz, she didn’t go to infantry school at Ft Benning, but some state version of it in Wyoming

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  81. SFC Ton says:

    Spwany, When push comes to shove I have not yet seen a girl turn her back on Team Woman

    You and others remind me of the typical Republican strategist; in their case its don’t say xyz or maybe that one to maybe 10 magic negro(es) might not vote for us, which in turn causes them to drive away a larger voting block.

    demographics is destiny

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  82. SFC Ton says:

    Wonder who does any real work I do
    ——–
    the folks in the reeducation camps

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  83. Yoda says:

    There isn’t a single law that protects men and children from female marital vicissitudes.

    Though “think of the children” claim they do,
    policy makers do this not

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  84. SFC Ton says:

    Hey Cill, if I had a yearly income of 360k (US) a year from outside investment, would NZ let us hangout for a year?

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  85. Yoda says:

    At Emory University, students stormed the office of the president shouting “We are in pain!” What caused their anguish?

    The sight of the words “Trump 2016” that had been chalked on walkways around campus. Now it is just possible that there are more than a few people in this very room who experience great pain contemplating the prospect of Trump 2016.

    But they do not demand the removal of Trump political slogans; they argue over whether the Donald should be elected.

    The Emory students, by contrast, wanted their president to find and punish the malefactors that had caused them to feel unsafe.

    http://heatst.com/culture-wars/hamilton-awards-the-only-true-safe-space-is-liberty-and-freedom/

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  86. Yoda says:

    Know this I did not

    Despite the long-understood promise of 72 virgins waiting in paradise for jihadi martyrs, a new translation by a Muslim scholar reveals that the actual reward is 72 raisins.

    Canadian academic Irshad Manji appeared on CNN with Fareed Zakariah this Sunday. Zakariah was hosting a special called Why They Hate Us which explored hatred of the west in the Muslim world.

    Manji maintained that it was dried fruit that would be enjoyed by suicide bombers:

    “The word for virgin has been mistranslated. The original word that was used in the Koran was the word for raisin. Martyrs would get raisins in heaven, not virgins.”

    http://hotair.com/archives/2016/05/25/jokes-on-you-osama-koran-expert-says-72-raisins-await-martyrs-in-paradise/

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  87. Yoda says:

    In commie countries had a “right to work” one did.
    What really meant was that kids deposited in government sponsored day cares it did

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  88. Yoda says:

    How better is a mom taking care of an infant/toddler compared to a day care worker it is?

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  89. Yoda says:

    How important schooling for early childcare degree for workers it would be?

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  90. Yoda says:

    Laura Perrins: Feminists and male supremacists have much in common – both are wrong

    Where this “male supremacists” come from it does.
    A straw man it does seem

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  91. Yoda says:

    A Canadian he would be,

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  92. Liz says:

    “Despite the long-understood promise of 72 virgins waiting in paradise for jihadi martyrs, a new translation by a Muslim scholar reveals that the actual reward is 72 raisins.”

    72 raisins? LOL! That’s hilarious.
    Thanks Yoda, I needed that. 😀

    (the translator is probably on some hit list now for this interpretation though…someone might issue a fatah like that did with Salman Rushdie)

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  93. Spawny Get says:

    “You and others remind me of the typical Republican strategist; in their case its don’t say xyz or maybe that one to maybe 10 magic negro(es) might not vote for us, which in turn causes them to drive away a larger voting block.”

    She’s not getting anything from me, I’ve made MGTOW comments in her posts before.

    While I’m poolside and encouraging guys to come join me, I don’t mind some people trying to save the world.

    I agree that she’s utterly tradcon (a US term, not UK, but it fits), I’m interested to see if she breaks under the weight of reality. IDGAS about me, but for my nephews? I’d like to see them with improved prospects. I’ll not give her anything beyond a kick up the arse when she says stupid shit, but I hope that she wakes up and leads women into leading manginas and whiteknights back to the light.

    You’re misreading me if you think that I have great faith in her or her ilk. But maybe there’s a lurker out there that got something that he needs to keep going (or her).

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  94. Spawny Get says:

    And Ton, from your latest post…thanks for the new phrase

    The biker crowd is all about freedom, firepower and fuck yeah!(FFPFY) Trump is the freedom, firepower and fuck yeah! candidate.

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  95. David Foster says:

    RPG….”But what will all these state paid childcare centers be like?”

    Employees will be required to be credentialed. The credentialing process, most likely under the auspices of universities, will be such that only people with a high boredom tolerance and a tendency to politically-correct thinking will be likely to participate.

    The credentialing will make staffing more expensive, so the kid to adult ratio will be high.

    The activities that are promoted will be subject to educrat fashion.

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  96. Spawny Get says:

    On topic (ish)

    Sometimes you don’t like what you need to hear. Popp has some dating tips for women over 35 who still act like they’re 18. Bad news: You’re not. So stop being stupid and get your life together before you wind up dying alone.

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  97. Spawny Get says:

    David, Yep. Indoctrinate young. Make jobs for women (let’s be real here, this will be all women).

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  98. Liz says:

    “Older kids watch younger kids, family pitches in on occasion, they work split shifts, some times they do leave very young kids on their own. Plus they get all the welfare stuff
    really Liz your line of “logic” this morning is utterly failing this morning”

    Hm. Thanks, Ton. You’ve given me pause for consideration.
    I’ve paused and reflected on that (maybe not enough, but I’ll continue to reflect after this response).

    The “professional” that came to mind I referenced above was a young teacher I taught with a while back. She was (around) third or forth year, it was my first year (think I was 22 or 23 then). I was making, after taxes, 1000 every two weeks (if memory serves). We had no kids and I needed no medical so she was probably making about 1200 every two weeks. Not a high wage…of which, according to her, after writing everything out and determining her take home after expenses, she was working to make a car payment (I found out in another conversation about the therapy and anti-depressants). I didn’t have kids then, but it seemed to me at the time it made little sense for her to work after cost/benefit considerations. I don’t think people make these enough in their life decisions (particularly the indirect expenses…those are never considered). I’m not sure how much 2400 a month comes out to in hourly wage (teachers put in after school hours too), but I’m sure it isn’t much.

    I’ve worked with a lot of nursing assistants and almost without exception they were either childless, or single mothers and their mothers would watch the kids, or the kids were old enough to be in school and after school programs. That’s a minimum wage(ish) category.
    -But that’s not dual income working with kids, that’s having the luxury of a full time, free person to watch the kids (not unlike a SAHM would be). I did live in one really bad area for about six months, where there were condoms and used needles in the bushes. THAT was a REALLY bad environment for kids and yeah babies were left alone in the sand for hours in their diapers while the mothers…but I’m assuming we’re talking about responsible working people here who care about their kids.

    And then there’s me. I’ve worked with kids too.
    Yes, when the oldest is 12 or so he can watch his siblings, but there’s 12 years before then.
    What I’ve learned in the past from living in numerous places, and moving frequently with absolutely no (other) family for help…
    1) Childcare is expensive
    2) Good childcare is hard to find quickly
    3) There aren’t a lot of people you can or should trust with your children

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  99. Liz says:

    Just to add, I’m not asserting that childcare is too expensive. I’m just pointing out the cost to gains equation here.
    Fwiw, Bloomberg’s article refers to a family with only 2 kids.

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  100. Yoda says:

    Liz,
    Government solve the problem it will.
    Because Givernments that is what they do

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  101. Yoda says:

    Employees will be required to be credentialed. The credentialing process, most likely under the auspices of universities, will be such that only people with a high boredom tolerance and a tendency to politically-correct thinking will be likely to participate.

    The credentialing will make staffing more expensive, so the kid to adult ratio will be high.

    The activities that are promoted will be subject to educrat fashion.

    Know just what to do you do.
    Government hire you to implement it they should.
    Become the next “Veterans Administration” you could.

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  102. Yoda says:

    Yep. Indoctrinate young. Make jobs for women (let’s be real here, this will be all women).

    U.S.S.R.A.
    U.S.S.R.E.U.

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  103. Liz says:

    “Government solve the problem it will.
    Because Givernments that is what they do”

    People should watch their children, then should but….ooops…
    If people watch their own children, they can’t be SIWarriors….

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  104. Yoda says:

    Perhaps Glorious Patriarch explain he can

    Luvvies are offended by being called luvvies:
    Calling actors ‘luvvies’ is as offensive as using racial slurs, Tom Conti said yesterday.

    Shirley Valentine star Conti, who lives in a £17.5million mansion in Hampstead, told the Daily Mail that to use the word ‘luvvies’ was ‘as abusive as “Yid” or “n*****” and it’s a horrible expression.

    ‘It’s pejorative, denigrative and demeaning. I know a number of actors and certainly the actors with whom I have mixed over my entire life have been very bright people.’
    Conti’s fellow luvvie, Downton Abbey star Peter Egan, agrees:
    ‘If actors are voicing an opinion, in many cases a true opinion, the way to dismiss that is to downgrade them with a diminishing term for a name.

    ‘It was exactly the same in Vietnam. The American troops used to call the Viet Cong “Charlie”. It’s how you degrade your enemy.’

    http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/timblair/index.php/dailytelegraph/comments/the_l_word/

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  105. Spawny Get says:

    iirc in the UK a child minder can only care for three kids (including their own). A friend of mine’s wife had to give it up because it just didn’t pay the bills. She had two kids but even when the elder was at school, her job required that two other families could pay enough to make her job worthwhile. Those families didn’t make enough to make her job viable. The rising tide of credentials she had to pay for training and certification in just made it a poorer and poorer long term option.

    I’m only repeating what I was told, but they’re honest people. No reason to lie to me.

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  106. Yoda says:

    Credentials important they are.
    Especially to those selling them they would be

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  107. Spawny Get says:

    Luvvies are typically entitled loud mouth celebutards; socially responsible progressives to the point of even making many SJWs puke.

    Think Bonio from U2 who while being very rich and keeping that wealth, lives in real privilege and preaches on how normal folk should sacrifice for his bleeding heart.

    They say that we should welcome in gimmegrants, that such families are welcome in their homes…yet mysteriously, no such family ever takes up residence in any of their multiple homes.

    You may not know the term, but you sure as shit know the type.

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  108. Liz says:

    “Protip: this doesn’t make you look like a fearsome revolutionary, it makes you look like a sad suburban douche kid”

    “Hey Gang! Let’s stop Trump by putting on cartoon bandit masks and waving Mexican flags during Memorial Day weekend…”

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  109. Yoda says:

    As for that, Benedick Cumberbund comes to mind he does.
    Plays a smart man on the tele, thinks that in real life he is

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  110. Yoda says:

    Perhaps modern version of “Village People” they can be.
    “Be a Macho, Macho Man”

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  111. Spawny Get says:

    Cumberbatch, he with the fizzog of a cat cleaning its marmite starfish?

    Oh yes, luvvie of the first order. He’s on the BBC…what the fuck else did you expect?

    Andrew ‘Brillo’ Neil is the only non-lefty in the BBC.

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  112. SFC Ton says:

    I hear you on that front Spawny. I myself type for the lurkers
    I was referring to attempts to make women into allies
    Never going to happen and attempts to do so will make most new to the Red Pill?MGTOW men walk

    Does the UK have anything remotely like a tradcon/ socon wing? I know there is UKIP which I support( as much as I support any outside group) but they seemed fairly progressive to me

    Its’ an old term Spawny but glad I could introduce it to you. Also…. does the UK have anythin like FFPFY?

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  113. SFC Ton says:

    Yoda, friends who went to Rolling Thunder report Trump said something along the lines of “I want to see them (ie mexicans) protest this” Which of course fired up the crowed.

    Trump and Bernie Sanders followers are different sides of the same coin but Trump supports don’t want free shit. They want to earn their paycheck, self respect etc which also fits the working class Whites/ biker culture and what not

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  114. Yoda says:

    Ton,

    Referring to the masked protester revolutionaries I was.
    A pathetic lot they are

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  115. Liz says:

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/05/28/dilbert_creator_scott_adams_to_bill_maher_donald_trump_will_win_election_in_a_landslide.html

    Thought I’d share this.
    Fwiw, I bought Mike hypnosis classes a couple of years back as a gift (his request). He never had the time to do the classes though. I also bought him Scott Adam’s book “How to Fail At Everything and Still Win Big”. I’ve read it twice, myself.

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  116. Yoda says:

    Glorious Patriarch,

    ITV better it is?

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  117. SFC Ton says:

    Yea its all fucked up Liz but car payments are generally optional. Folks in my hood generally don’t have one

    But I see a shitton of what you are talking about at TonSpwan’s momma’s hospital

    Also the Ton is happy to see the term gimmedats has crossed the pond

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  118. SFC Ton says:

    “How to Fail At Everything and Still Win Big”.

    did that fucker plagiarizer my life?

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  119. Spawny Get says:

    “Does the UK have anything remotely like a tradcon/ socon wing?”
    Nothing springs to mind other than ‘Conservative’. Religion is dead as a force (it went left. but the left didn’t believe in a god. the right were abandoned by the church because the church no longer promoted a set of religious values, it’s purely wishy washy weak arse socialist). ‘Churchianity’ might be said to exist here…but devoid of religion. Whether that’s worse or the same in effect, I don’t know. The church could become a force for good in the US (I think), but it’s lost all respect in the UK (CofE at least)

    “I know there is UKIP which I support( as much as I support any outside group) but they seemed fairly progressive to me”
    There’s been a move to become more attractive to the public…not all of this process is to my taste. Not saying that it’s wrong to be more attractive, but to what degree do you pervert your ideals to do so? They’re still the only game in town, so at the end of the day (I will not vote Cameroid) it’s them or not voting.

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  120. Spawny Get says:

    “ITV better it is?”
    Probably not, but I barely watch TV these days. Adverts are unacceptable (the BBC has no advert adverts, though it advertises its own programmes), so ITV et al are only watched as a last resort…and I’d rather not bother.

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  121. SFC Ton says:

    I don’t have a dog in the UKIP fight so I was just wondering
    really I am hands off most of these groups. I support the League of the South (http://leagueofthesouth.com/ ) because I live here and know whats going on

    Won’t pretend to say the same for LeePenn or y’all or what have you

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  122. thedeti says:

    Spawny:

    I read Perrins’ piece, the comments there, and the comments you excerpted here, so I could put it all in context.

    With all due respect to your MGTOW brethren, I strongly disagree with the idea that there will be a widespread marriage strike, or a significant percentage of men refusing to marry and refusing to do all the things traditionally associated with marriage (offer financial support, work their fingers to the bone, earn more money than they otherwise would, and sire and father children).

    The notion that men are not going to pair up with women and are going to eschew women en masse is total fantasy.

    The simple reason is that the thirst is real. Men want pussy, and they will do whatever it takes to get it. Men want sex, and they’ll do anything to get it.

    The entire Red Pill concept grew out of PUAs, loser men mimicking what successful players do. They codified and catalogued female sexual response in the current socioeconomic and cultural climate, and offered it up to men. So now men are getting more sexually aggressive, focusing on their physical appearances, and living for themselves to get pussy. Because that’s what it takes to get pussy now.

    It used to be that the way a guy got pussy was by graduating high school, getting some kind of job, earning some money , and showing beta provider bona fides. When that worked, that was what men did. The men who think this still works are waiting until 35, 40, even 50, to get married and finally get that pussy. This Blue Pill mindset is so completely ingrained in them that they believe when they get married at 45, it “worked”.

    If it were shown that being really good at pushing dimes across gym floors with your nose got women wet and that they gave pussy to men who were really good dime pushers, then The Red Pill would be all about teaching guys the best ways to nose-push dimes across gym floors.

    If it were shown that skinny, nerdling cubicle farm workers were what women wanted, The Red Pill would be all about teaching guys to be really good skinny, nerdling cubicle farm workers.

    There is no marriage strike. Most guys, even middle class fucks, get legally married. Or at least make a couple of kids with an LTR and therefore bind and intertwine their lives totally with one other woman. And men do this because they want to get laid. Simple as that.

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  123. David Foster says:

    Someone on a blog…maybe it was this one…was distinguishing between ‘horizontal’ and ‘vertical’ models of social interconnection, horizontal being where a person is largely influenced by their peer group and vertical being where they are influenced by parents, grandparents, and earlier generation of their family (or perhaps an extended social group of some kind.) It seems obvious to me that heavily-subsidized child care and preschool on a national basis tends to strengthen the horizontal connections and break the vertical ones.

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  124. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    I apologize in advance. After reading Yoda’s comment about how the Koran was mistranslated, that 752 virgins should read 72 raisins, I can’t help i.

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  125. SFC Ton says:

    With all due respect to your MGTOW brethren, I strongly disagree with the idea that there will be a widespread marriage strike, or a significant percentage of men refusing to marry and refusing to do all the things traditionally associated with marriage (offer financial support, work their fingers to the bone, earn more money than they otherwise would, and sire and father children).
    —–

    Most of my troopers had no plans to marry. Now these were mostly men bellow 28 but they seem damn set on it.

    the reasons are legion but simply put they have seen to much

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  126. SFC Ton says:

    It seems obvious to me that heavily-subsidized child care and preschool on a national basis tends to strengthen the horizontal connections and break the vertical ones.
    —–
    Yup. that is dam near the sole purpose of the child care industry

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  127. Cill says:

    Just reading the last few comments here.

    David Foster, re “‘horizontal’ and ‘vertical’ models of social interconnection”.
    It was “Wisdom of the Ages” by molly and others:
    https://spawnyspace.wordpress.com/2015/07/23/wisdom-of-the-ages-2/

    I’ll be pretty much tied up with construction work for the next few days, folks. I’ll look in here from time to time. Then I’ll be shifting into my new place – lock, livestock, and barrel (literally).

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  128. David Foster says:

    Thanks. I made a mental note to myself to remember the horizontal-vertical model when I read it, but neglected to bookmark it, so wasn’t totally sure where I’d run across it….

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  129. Spawny Get says:

    Deti,
    I made my choice for me. My future path is set and I have no personal skin in the game. I will do what I can for my nephews if I get a chance. I hope that my sex finds a way to fulfilment by whatever means works for them as individuals, I hope to help them avoid some of the traps that gynocentric society sets for them, after which, each to their own decisions..

    I have absolutely no issue with you saying what you think. I hope everyone here does the same; speaks their mind. I hope that the resulting conversation helps people out there in some way. Even if some of what happens here is merely poolside chat while society slits its own wrists.

    If something changes and there’s a chance for improving the situation, maybe I’ll chime in. Perhaps Trump and BREXIT will be helpful. I don’t know. But while I’m expecting to watch everything fall apart, it doesn’t mean that I’m happy at the prospect, merely resigned.

    Nobody has to agree with anything that I say.

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  130. Spawny Get says:

    Bon chance with the move, Cill. A new chapter begins for the Cillsquatch.

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  131. Farm Boy says:

    I think that the marriage strike is happening slowly. Dalrock is always looking at data, and it invariably shows that there are less marriages, and perhaps more importantly, fewer remarriages. Each new cohort that comes of age has seen more horrors than the last, and are more reluctant. Sure, eventually many break down, but there are more and more that are not.

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  132. Spawny Get says:

    From what ConWoman said in comments that I quoted some of, there are women feeling the pinch in the market place. That’s the only source of any real change…when women hurt.

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  133. SFC Ton says:

    For my money “we” don’t need an outright marriage strike, the damage is not only in no marriages but the delay in marriage and the drop in second marriages. less damage and slower rate of destruction as no marriages at all but it will get the job done

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  134. SFC Ton says:

    As for being happy about what is due? Cannot say I am but don’t care and don’t feel bad about it either

    all this shit is above my pay grade so I don’t spend much time thinking about it. My job is to give my descendants the best chance possible

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  135. Cill says:

    Ton, Hey Cill, if I had a yearly income of 360k (US) a year from outside investment, would NZ let us hangout for a year?

    I’ll look into it and get back to you. It might be a day or two before I get onto it.

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  136. SFC Ton says:

    Thanks Cill
    we are having some small trouble separating fact from fiction

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  137. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    While overal. marriage rates are at about fifty percent, last summer’s number for under thirty five never marrieds was seventy percent..While the girls may be putting off marriage to go have fun with alphas, The boys they are overlooking are not blind. So, while only casual relationships are transacting, marriages aren’t. Both observations are correct. The girls are postponing and the boys aren’t buying. The truth of it won’t be realized until the girls want to marry. Considering what the boys have seen, I don’t like the girls’ chances.

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  138. Farm Boy says:

    Isn’t anybody going to like the TrigglyPuff video?

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  139. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    The only think likable about Trigglypuff is that I will link some antidote.
    Her name is Anastasia Sokolovka and she is eminently likable, especially when she say “Spasibo”.

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  140. Yoda says:

    International Ghostbusters trailer this is.
    Emphasize the British Guy they do

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  141. Yoda says:

    Bear likes blondes he does.
    Tarn in good shape she is

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  142. Yoda says:

    the cumb dunt MP (member of parliament)

    The dunt cumb MP?

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  143. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Yoda,
    There are also brunettes and redheads. But, Cindy Bear, with her pink parasol, is in a whole other class. It must be the fur coat.

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  144. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    YES!!!!!!

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  145. Spawny Get says:

    In other, cultural, news

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/30/top-gears-first-episode-branded-boring-and-badly-presented-by-fa/

    Yep. It was clear copy of the old show but the main host is loud, obnoxious and arrogant. He has much history.

    Matt LeBlanc was okay, he can improve. Chris Evans is just a twat and always has been.

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  146. Spawny Get says:

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  147. Spawny Get says:

    Tory Knives are Out for Cameron: ‘I Want to Stab Him In the Front So I Can See His Face’

    The Conservative Party descended into open warfare yesterday as three MPs called for the Prime Minister David Cameron to resign over Project Fear. The calls have raised the possibility of a general election this autumn, to allow the Conservatives to seek a new mandate under a different leader.
    Conservatives have been growing increasingly angered by the Prime Minister and his Chancellor George Osborne’s highly toxic ‘Project Fear’ campaign, designed to coerce the British public into voting to remain in the European Union on June 23.

    In a measure of how high feelings are running in the party, one MP, using particularly graphic language, told the Sunday Times: “I don’t want to stab the Prime Minister in the back – I want to stab him in the front so I can see the expression on his face.

    “You’d have to twist the knife, though, because we want it back for Osborne.”

    Yesterday three MPs broke ranks to speak out publically, calling for Cameron to stop “lying” to the public or step down from his role.

    Tory MP Andrew Bridgen became the first to speak out, telling the BBC’s John Pienaar: “David Cameron has placed himself front and centre of a disingenuous Remain campaign, setting himself at odds with half of the Parliamentary Party and 70 per cent of our members and activists on the most important issue facing our Country in a generation,” Mr Bridgen said. “Whatever the result, I believe his position will be untenable.”

    Under Conservative Party rules, 50 MPs need to write to the chairman of the 1922 committee demanding a vote of no confidence in their leader to spark a leadership race. Mr Bridgen said it was “probably highly likely” that that number would be achieved.

    Nadine Dorries, a long-time critic of Cameron agreed, telling ITV’s Robert Peston that her letter is already in.

    “If the Remain campaign wins by a large majority – I’d say it would have to be 60-40 – then David Cameron might just survive, but if Remain win by a narrow majority, or if Leave, as I certainly hope, will win, he’s toast within days,” she predicted.

    And she accused Cameron of having lied profoundly throughout the campaign, adding: “I think that is actually really at the heart of why Conservative MPs have been so angered.

    “To say that Turkey is not going to join the European Union as far as 30 years is a lie.

    “There are many issues about which David Cameron has told outright lies, and because of that, trust has gone in both him and George Osborne… and it will be very hard for either of them to survive in the future.”

    According to the Spectator, in response to the interventions William Hill cut their odds on Cameron going this year down to 2/1; a one-in-three chance.

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  148. Spawny Get says:

    Wouldn’t want you to miss out, there’s more

    The party appears to now be gearing up for a leadership election regardless of the outcome of the referendum, with even Mr Cameron’s allies admitting that his days in Number 10 are numbered. According to the Sunday Times, some have even claimed that UK Independence Party members are flowing back to the Conservatives so that they can help vote in a Eurosceptic successor.

    Andrew RT Davies, the Tory leader in Wales, conceded: “Whatever the outcome, June 23 will set in motion the search for a new UK Conservative leader,” while another unnamed MP said: “When you tell Tories they are immoral for supporting Brexit you are going to get a kick in the nuts.”

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  149. Liz says:

    Stream of consciousness ramble from Liz:

    It’s weird how ubiquitous and socially accepted obesity has become.
    The other night we were at a bar and a girl (probably 20 years old) was bending over in a thong to watch fish. She had on a very short skirt, so it rode all the way up, and the way she was bending over made it clear she wanted people to watch her ass (you don’t need to bend like that, with your skirt riding up and ass splayed to look at fish. At any rate, I’ve seen this act before….but this chick was HUGE. She probably weighed 250 pounds, with flesh folds everywhere.
    There was a time when people would cover that shit up, now they are loud and proud. When I looke around the place, most everyone was in the same type of condition, and these are young people. Weird stuff.

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  150. Spawny Get says:

    I’ve noticed that being stupid and ignorant has become something to be proud of too.

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  151. Ame says:

    Liz – that’s just … gross. that girl has no respect for anyone or anything, especially herself.

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  152. Liz says:

    There’s a lot of that gross behavior (a two degrees of separation from Miley “thing”?).
    Kind of a stoopidz + gross combo along the lines of what Swithy mentioned.
    Maybe it started with reality tv? Talk shows?

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  153. Liz says:

    Thing is, people are natural mimicks and they will perform whatever behaviors those around them perform. So…rampant obesity leads to more acceptance and more and more obesity. Also slutty/gross behaviors same/same. That’s why I take issue with grossness in my world. It’s like throwing garbage around.

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  154. Yoda says:

    As Muslims become a larger part of Swedish society, some municipal pools are offering women-only swimming to accommodate the new arrivals. But while well intended, the new policy is bumping up against Swedish ideals of equality.

    http://m.csmonitor.com/World/Europe/2016/0530/Sweden-stirs-debate-with-women-only-swimming-in-nod-to-Muslims

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  155. Yoda says:

    Not long after writing the article about Obama’s infamous and unconstitutional “Transgender Letter,” I had an exploratory conversation with my ten-year-old daughter about the toxic brouhaha. My first question was simply, “If a boy believes that he’s a girl, what would you think about him using the girls’ bathroom or locker room at school?” Her immediate response was an emotionally charged, “Ewww! Gross!” Being the good *cough* progressive that I am, I pushed back.

    “But, if he really believes that he is a girl, why should he be forced to use the boys’ bathroom?”

    “Because he’s a boy!” was her dumfounded answer.

    “Ok,” I responded, “but why do you care if he uses the girls’ bathroom?”

    “It would be weird,” she protested. “And I would feel uncomfortable. I don’t want boys in the bathroom with me.”

    I continued my leftist indoctrination, “Are you sure that you’re being fair? I mean, who are you to decide for another person what gender they are?”

    https://pjmedia.com/parenting/2016/05/27/what-is-a-childs-natural-response-to-transgenderism/

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  156. Yoda says:

    Check this out one should,

    Some liberals, it seems, can’t take a joke. One author on Medium attacked the Christian satirical news site The Babylon Bee as trying to “pass bigotry off as satire.”

    https://pjmedia.com/faith/2016/05/27/is-the-babylon-bees-satire-on-our-cultures-lgbt-obsession-really-just-bigotry/

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  157. Yoda says:


    SAN FRANCISCO, CA—Declaring that he “has to be true to himself,” local man Steve Bakowski announced Friday that he is bravely stepping out and choosing to openly self-identify as a man.

    “I don’t care what people say. I don’t care what people call me,” an audacious Bakowski told reporters. “I know in my heart that I’m a man. I’ve always known it, ever since I was a kid. I’ve never even second-guessed it. So I’m going to tell it like it is. I’m a man, and I’m not ashamed to say it.”

    When asked about the possibility of facing backlash for his courageous stance, Bakowski was undeterred.

    “I know our culture can be hostile to people like me,” he stated. “But I’m prepared to face the consequences. I know there are others out there who feel exactly like I do. They need to know they’re not strange, they’re not some weird freaks.”

    “They need to know they’re not alone,” he added.

    http://babylonbee.com/news/brave-man-chooses-self-identify-man/

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  158. Yoda says:

    Socialism sounds great. It has always sounded great. And it will probably always continue to sound great. It is only when you go beyond rhetoric, and start looking at hard facts, that socialism turns out to be a big disappointment, if not a disaster.

    While throngs of young people are cheering loudly for avowed socialist Bernie Sanders, socialism has turned oil-rich Venezuela into a place where there are shortages of everything from toilet paper to beer, where electricity keeps shutting down, and where there are long lines of people hoping to get food, people complaining that they cannot feed their families.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2016/05/31/socialism_for_the_uninformed_130716.html

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  159. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Yoda,
    I hadn’t considered it until you linked it above, how are the kids going to react. I can just see some underweight boy using the girls’ locker room getting killed by mean girls. This will stop being a theoretical exercise then. To compound that, what will happen when the girls get a slap on the wrist or acquitted? For murder?

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  160. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Liz,
    I don’t know what to think of the 250 lb. exhibitionist. Looking around, and finding out they were all obese had to be a revelation.
    I am glad that I missed that one.

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  161. Yoda says:

    A new post there is

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  162. SFC Ton says:

    LOL the kids is the 1st thing I thought of with that transgender bathroom bullshit

    The other day I was taking a leak and a gaggle of kids shamble i while I was pissing, None could have been more then 9, two where girls. No adult supervision, though I latter spotted the the parents. A pair of jews. weird little fuckers

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  163. Ame says:

    i hadn’t thought of that yet. wonder how long before they remove urinals from men’s rooms or add them to ladies rooms?

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  164. Ame says:

    are churches and private institutions allowed to maintain separate bathrooms? or are they going to be forced to allow equal access? ugh.

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  165. Liz says:

    My 0.01 cents (adjusted for inflation).
    When we lived in South Korea, the bathrooms (for the most part) weren’t separated as far as I can recall, most places. It was kind of strange to get used to, but not too big a deal. It bothered me more how filthy everything was.
    In Italy, urinals are historically kind of public. I’ve never seen a public urinal in modern times, but people piss outside on a regular basis, pretty much everywhere.

    What’s most intersting to me about the bathroom “choice” demanders is their inconsistency.
    “My 0.02 percent of the population outlier son-who-identifies-as-a-daughter can’t be forced to use the men’s room! That would be inhumane and cruel!”
    But somehow it’s not inhumane to demand everyone else share their restroom with the other gender.
    It’s weird stuff.

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  166. Liz says:

    Guess my words for the day are “weird stuff”.
    I’ve used it enough. LOL

    -the Liz ramble has ended

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  167. Ame says:

    yep, Liz … no inconsistencies there! equality! EQUALITY! we’ve finally reached it! amazing how delusional people are.

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  168. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Ame,
    I am certain that it would apply to bathrooms in your church. I wish that I could remember what they said and where I read it but, the attitude of high level Democrats is that church is subordinate to state and has to conform. It was very high handed.

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  169. SFC Ton says:

    as if we want to do anything like they do in Korea or Italy

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  170. While I get that all must be represented by govt. is making the agenda of 3% the main focus just a smoke screen for ignoring not only 97% of those represented but 97% of the much more pressing and critical issues? Economy collapsing? Ooooh look, transgender bathrooms!!!

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