What Is Wrong With This Picture?

From the Atlantic,

In Iceland, some 67 percent of babies are born to parents who are not married. A combination of generous social programs and a secular society have all but made nuptials obsolete—while giving rise to a unique culture of independent motherhood. Annie Lingspent two months photographing these mothers in the Nordic country, documenting their daily lives and struggles. “A lack of social stigma and a relaxed attitude towards marriage and sexual morality makes raising a family as a single parent in Iceland more feasible,” Ling said. Living in a small community means relatives are often close by and can pitch in on childcare. That doesn’t mean, of course, that independent motherhood is easy. “Despite being recognized as an egalitarian society and the most feminist country in the world, there are still challenges,” Ling said.

So we have a celebration of women having babies on their own; over two-thirds of babies born this way.  This is all very much on-purpose.  Let us consider situation more closely.

A combination of generous social programs and a secular society have all but made nuptials obsolete

There is an admission that social programs are key.  Free money is definitely an incentive.  The obvious question that is left unanswered is : who pays for all of this (the next post will address this)?   Furthermore, is marriage necessarily a religious institution?  Perhaps secular people might want to commit to each other and the children that they bring into the world, to together raise them as best they can.  But apparently not.

while giving rise to a unique culture of independent motherhood

How independent is it?  Not particularly?  They are dependent on men’s money either directly or indirectly.  They are somewhat independent in decision making.  This is probably what is meant here.  There would seem to be intentional ambiguity.

documenting their daily lives and struggles

One might ask the question: if independence is so good, why all of the struggles?  Or is just that modern empowered independent government-dependent women are rarely satisfied?

Living in a small community means relatives are often close by and can pitch in on childcare.

This used to be the way in cities, small towns and the countryside.  The idea is nothing new.  It builds community and family ties, which is all well and good, but it not exactly independent.  Perhaps if the parents were married, then there would be less dependency on this; they would be more independent as a married unit.

That doesn’t mean, of course, that independent motherhood is easy

They make it sound so unappealing.  Is it appealing or is it not?  Perhaps having a fella around might be beneficial.

“Despite being recognized as an egalitarian society and the most feminist country in the world, there are still challenges,”

I wonder what happened on the way to utopia…

Posted in FarmBoy, Feminism, Trainwreck
133 comments on “What Is Wrong With This Picture?
  1. Ame says:

    and i want to scream … WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN?!!!

    it’s all about the women who want babies … and want them their way. this makes me sooo angry!!!

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  2. Ame says:

    and what’s so special about those pics? those are the same pics ANY parent with children would take!


  3. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    “I wonder what happened on the way to utopia?”

    Iceland is different. I think everyone can trace their ancestry back to the original Viking families. They are the last Scandinavian country to use the feminne patronymic. If Frederick has a daughter named Helga, she is Helga Fredericksdottir. They also have a long tradition of premartial sex. That way their own kids can be ringbearer at their wedding. However, getting pregnant and intending to stay single is a new wrinkle. It couldn’t be done without government.
    I think that out of wedlock births are now at forty percent in the US overall. Among blacks, it’s seventy percent. I do0n’t know how much longer government will be able to afford this.

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  4. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Did you delete your comment predicting my arrival? It should stand. I am a very predictable bear.


  5. Yoda says:

    Delete I did.
    The force not so perfect tonight it was

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  6. Yoda says:

    what’s so special about those pics?

    In the Atlantic they are


  7. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    At sixty seven percent and still recovering from all their banks going under, I have to wonder if Iceland will do something proactive. They did with the banks.


  8. The moms in the photos look on the verge of 40 to me. Not that I am not an older mom myself but just saying…

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  9. Liz says:

    “The moms in the photos look the verge of 40 to me. Not that I am not an older mom myself but just saying…”

    None of them look like they’ve aged well, which is weird for Scandinavians.
    Their homes looked pretty darn messy…maybe the photos were intended to present a messy, haggard image? If so, mission accomplished.

    In a country that small (300k people is REALLY small) they can probably absorb the social costs of mass illegitimacy better than large ones.
    In environments where people know each other well there’s usually less crime, more community support, more immediate and effective accountability for bad behavior, and so forth. At least, better than somewhere like Brazil.

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  10. Liz says:

    I posted this at Bloom’s too:
    I woke up at four this morning with the thought that our oldest is leaving for college and I don’t think he knows how to write a check! I’d never thought of that before…I learned in middle school but I don’t think they teach them such things today. He might not even know how to address an envelope! And he doesn’t even have a bank account yet.
    I’ve gone through the list in my head…laundry, checks, mail, bank….can anyone think of anything else that is important but I might have missed? This stuff seems obvious but I forgot, and I’m sure I’ve probably forgotten other stuff that is equally obvious.

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  11. Tarnished says:

    Despite being recognized as an egalitarian society and the most feminist country in the world, there are still challenges

    Egalitarian society + Most feminist = A very contradictory statement indeed. Egalitarianism is NOT what feminism preaches or condones. Ugh…

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  12. Liz says:

    Egalitarianism is the theory. Feminism is the reality under implimentation of that theory.
    Kind of like Communism is a theory that looks very different when implemented.
    (for much the same reason…humans aren’t equal)

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  13. Spawny Get says:

    Time for a Tarn Taste Test?

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  14. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    I haven’t seen the pictures but, to hazard a guess, premature aging plus messy house sound like alcohol problems to me. The Scandanavian countries have a reputation. If true, this is not going to work out well for the children. If it backfires, Iceland may be the first to distribute male contraception free of charge and thwet may weel prove a model for all developed countries.
    I haven’t said it for a while but, the babymamas have to be put out of business.

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  15. Dragonfly says:

    Aw Liz 😥 bittersweet I’m sure to see your oldest leave the nest! If he has roommates, that will be an interesting experience learning from them and how to live with others… he’ll learn a lot of things on his own I would think, and there are consequences in place that will help him learn – like paying his bills late = late fee. Paying rent late = late fee or warning that he’ll get evicted if he keeps that up.

    Those things are designed to motivate new college students to grow into maturity and become more self-sufficient! He’ll do fine I’m sure.

    I’m sure you know this, but when we try to over-protect our children it sends them the message that we aren’t confident in them and in being able to handle simple things like that. You don’t want to make him feel like you think he’s going to fail or that you don’t believe in his capability to live on his own 🙂 and I’m sure you’re not… but I’ve seen parents do that to their kids – over-sheltering them by being constantly worried that they aren’t “responsible” or grown up enough to deal with the things they’re going to have to deal with.

    New post up (random!) on the Proverbs 31 wife… wow… it is really really long… but would love any insight or if I’ve missed anything that applies to verse 15

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  16. Tarnished says:

    Egalitarianism is the theory. Feminism is the reality under implimentation of that theory.

    Eh. Kind of? There’s one big difference between the two. Egalitarianism states that everyone has some positives and negatives according to how their sex is treated in society, and neither men nor women are more put out than the other. Feminism operates from a view that men have the overwhelming majority of positives and women are the kicked around orphan puppies of the world.

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  17. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Borrowing from George Orwell’s Animal Farm, I think that feminists are like the pigs in that they believe that “some are more equl than otheres”. However, you did hit the nail as to their arguement for recruitment.


  18. Tarnished says:

    Feminists complaining about Egalitarianism, and why it’s “not good enough”:


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  19. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Will it ever be good enough?
    You write good posts.

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  20. Yoda says:

    Perhaps Tarn recycle old posts with new thoughts here she could

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  21. Yoda says:

    So what the benefits of independence there is?

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  22. Yoda says:

    The welfare of the children the article really discusses not.

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  23. Yoda says:

    “It’s harder to raise the kids by yourself, but it’s better not to be in a negative environment,” she told Ling.

    Perhaps one find a positive environment one could?
    Some effort required it might be.
    But benefits worth it they would

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  24. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    +1 to recycling posts.
    Independence is not having a husband the erstwhile wife would be beholden to and answerable to. She can still ride the carousel.
    The welfare of children is only considered when it is directly in line with their mother’s interests. Children can’t vote.

    I went on an Ann Coulter video kick. The videos in which she got the most static were those slamming single mothers. She is interesting. She is making noises much like we do but has a much wider audience and is interviewed by the mainsteam media.

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  25. Yoda says:

    “It is also harder for women (especially single moms) to take time off if the kids are sick, when men are paid better.”

    Pay gap BS never dies it does.
    But choose to be single Moms they did

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  26. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    The pay gap myth will never die. However, it can be embarrassed when wthe fembots are reminded that overtime pays a fifty percent premium. It’s available to women too.

    The only person that I know of that had a certain method for eliminating the pay gap was Jessica Valenti. Her solution was to increase the base pay by the percentage in dispute. One small problem with this, it throws the concept of equal pay right out the window.

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  27. copperfox3c says:

    Replacing the Father with the “State” is the ultimate goal of Progressive policies … they view it as sort of empowerment or freedom from the mystical “patriarchy” that oppresses them.

    Yet little do they realize that it also the goal of the vested Capitalist and Oligarchical interests in the world. What better way to produce hordes of compliant workers and easy-to-control lower classes than by disconnecting them from their familial ties at a young age, and instead making them subservient to the “State”.

    This is exactly what numerous powerful interests have done around the world throughout history … from the U.S. government with Native American children to Mao Zedong’s “Cultural Revolution” to ancient Rome.

    The Progressives and Feminists and SJWs are playing right into the hands of those powerful interests …

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  28. Spawny Get says:

    Hey Copperfox, I’ve read some of your posts. How about posting a link here when you make one? I tried hitting the ‘like’ button on your blog but the damn thing did nothing (not just on your site)

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  29. Yoda says:

    The state cares for children like father it does not

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  30. Spawny Get says:

    I’m looking about my glasshouse for stones to throw at Tarn for not posting…

    Recycling material that remains relevant today is fine by me. Perhaps Tarn and Farm Boy could have a fruitful conversation at some point?

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  31. Yoda says:

    Post about the MGTOW life the Glorious Patriarch could


  32. Spawny Get says:

    Make a post on treating unknown men and women alike, but preferring to invest in male friendships only? Because you cannot hold a female to account for misdeeds, bad behaviour and broken promises…making any friendship likely to be one sided if you ever have need to lean on it?

    That’s being rather harsh, there are women (including on this blog) that I believe know the value of honour, but if you’re laying out MGTOW in black and white terms…that’s my version.

    Generally speaking I don’t like relying on others at all in serious matters, but I do have a few friends that I believe I could call on. A mutual relationship. There’s also the matter of men bringing more to the table when in times of strife. In times of non-strife, many women only bring strife to the table, I don’t have any interest in the deal of potential sex for likely hassle. Just an opinion.

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  33. copperfox3c says:

    @SpawnyGet … sure that would be cool. How do I go about posting a link here on this site to a post?

    Hmm, I think the “Like” button is explicitly tied to a WordPress account, so you have to be logged in. Otherwise, I don’t know.


  34. Spawny Get says:

    The problem isn’t just with your blog, it’s on my list of irritations-yet-to-be-investigated.

    Just drop a comment here with a link. Bloom does this (I asked her to).


  35. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    “The state cares for children like father it does not.”
    To add to that, the state does a very poor job that costs a lot of money. Fathers are motivated and it is natural. They can do it without costing taxpayers anything and they are much more vigilant. The only drawback is, as a partner, the mother has to account for herself to the father. She doesn’t have to account for herself to the state.

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  36. Spawny Get says:

    This explanation was very helpful to me in understanding the dems

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  37. Cill says:

    Liz, our oldest is leaving for college and I don’t think he knows how to write a check!

    Although cheques are going out of vogue, an understanding of cheques and promissory notes and IOUs will always be useful (imagine a community marooned on a desert island or planet).

    How and why to honour your gambling debts is a good one (even if you don’t approve of gambling).
    The value of mercantile law and how much of it was reliably done on a handshake.
    Why the British invented underwriting and the limited liability company.
    Teach him the whys and wherefores of post-dated cheques.
    That a contract consists of offer and acceptance, and consideration.
    That a good deal is one where both sides win.
    Not to sign anything without reading it first, and when in doubt to speak to someone knowledgeable.

    I try to teach young blokes. Too many of them are ignorant as to this basic stuff, and are too easily ripped off.

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  38. copperfox3c says:

    Alright cool, will do. I only post one a week usually. My last two were:

    – The Dangers of a Single Cultural Narrative, and how that can disrupt important political discussions with what are, essentially, acts of “social display”

    – Issues with the whole “Transgender Bathroom” debate, from a Classical Liberal perspective

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  39. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Spawny Get,
    Is that video a classic example of doubletalk?
    I’m so confused!

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  40. Spawny Get says:

    Cucking cuntitude

    You don’t see this on al-jabeeba itself
    Fuck this shit

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  41. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Spawny Get,
    Over here, “Affirmative Action” has come to mean that white men need not apply and it has been this way for decades. What makes this story so outrageous is that somebody actually came out and said it. Had they not said it, no one would be objecting.

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  42. Spawny Get says:

    It’s a Russia Today programme talking about a racist ‘charity’ getting 50% of its funding from the BBC, which is funded by the public on threat of fine and imprisonment. I’d be unsurprised if some/all of the remaining 50% didn’t come from taxpayers by some route or other.

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  43. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Spawny Get,
    I will see you and raise. Off topic,


    This is outrageous and, even worse, it is constitutionally protected.


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  44. M says:

    Man expelled for rape that never happened

    I did enjoy the comment, “this school’s policy was written by people who think sexual assault is so heinous a crime that even innocence is not a defense”.

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  45. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    I think that line is from Alan Dershowitz. If lawyers can be heroes, he is one.


  46. SFC Ton says:

    A hero Fuzzie? He has been a driving force of the progressive agenda, including feminism and now he’s a hero?

    Good grief bear

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  47. Cill says:

    Off topic.

    In earlier posts, some of the comments about church in America made me curious enough about church in NZ to go to a regular church meeting last Sunday. Before that, the only times I’d been in churches was for weddings, funerals and christenings. From a comment of BV’s (https://spawnyspace.wordpress.com/2016/04/25/bad-boy-and-feminist-crap/#comment-53388) I already had an idea of what to expect, but it was even worse than that. I’m sad to announce that the NZ church I went to is feminist to the core. The Pastor (“Minister” here) came out with some truly crazy stuff. It was too much of an insult to take lying down. He beefed on about irresponsible men who won’t marry and are not mature enough to be husbands and fathers, the innocent exploited women and fatherless children blah blah blah until I said “bullshit” which didn’t go down very well.

    Later on, he launched into a prayer “with our Muslim brothers and sisters” (his words) and I said “well make sure you don’t p-r-e-y with them as well or we’ll all be dead” at which he rebuked me angrily “would you keep your thoughts to yourself please.”

    After the meeting finished he shook everyone’s hand except mine. I laughed at him and accompanied an attractive lady to my favorite pub (bar). I probably won’t be welcome at that church again. Pah.

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  48. Cill says:

    It wasn’t just the Muslim prayer, either. He brought all sorts of other Muslim crap into his speech as well. It wouldn’t surprise me if he is actually a Muslim preaching in a Christian church. That’s why I reacted as I did. Someone had to say something.


  49. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Gynocentrism has gotten into everything. If it is that bad there, what is the proportion of men to women attending? I have heard that Two to one female to male is standard here.
    I would not recommnd regular attendance there after having said that. *wink*


  50. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Even the Pope has fallen for “be kind to Muslims”. It is the opposite of what Urban II would have called for.


  51. Yoda says:

    Over the years, in posts on Facebook groups for mothers, I’ve seen my share of women talking smack about their husbands. Writing to hundreds (sometimes thousands) of other women, many of whom they don’t know, wives will unburden themselves about the latest insensitive things their husbands have done. The complaints run the gamut from real marital issues to the usual household frustrations every wife deals with daily.

    The basis of every complaint is basically this: Why doesn’t my husband respect me enough? And yet, the wives have taken the opportunity to voice this discontent by posting about their husbands online, where strangers, acquaintances, and even family members and friends are invited to judge the husbands’ behavior. Nothing says mutual respect quite like public humiliation, am I right?


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  52. Yoda says:

    Near the end, Plank attempts to pull a “the science is settled” moment. She says we should stop debating whether the wage gap exists, accept her conclusion that it does, and fix it.

    But as with anything else, merely saying so doesn’t make it true, and certainly a video rife with such studied avoidance of data and serious counterarguments doesn’t settle the debate.

    Real economic analyses of this question have been performed in the past, they’re just persistently ignored by Plank and others with a story to tell. Unlike this superficial Vox treatment, those analyses rely on data instead of anecdotes and ideologically charged hunches. Their findings have all been fairly similar, even when liberal women’s groups have done them.


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  53. Yoda says:

    The Oxford activist at the centre of a firestorm for mocking the “white tears” of a waitress he snubbed to make a political point has branded her feelings “irrelevant”


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  54. Yoda says:

    Liz enjoying her last days in present home she is,

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  55. Yoda says:

    Caitlyn Jenner, who announced her transition from man to woman last year, has considered de-transitioning, the author of a new book about the Kardashian family told TheWrap on Wednesday



  56. Yoda says:

    Cops allege that Heidi McKinney, 26, was en route to Portland when she touched the breasts and genitals of a woman who told investigators that the alleged contact was not consensual.
    McKinney and the victim were traveling on an Alaska Airlines flight that arrived late Sunday in Portland. Alerted by airline personnel, police met the aircraft upon landing and took McKinney into custody after interviewing the other passenger.

    Pictured in the above mug shot, McKinney was charged with third-degree sexual abuse and booked into the Multnomah County jail, where her bail was set at $2500.

    It is unclear whether alcohol was a factor in the alleged illegal contact.


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  57. Yoda says:

    Emma Watson, the Harry Potter actress-turned-liberal activist, has been named in the Panama Papers.

    But it’s no big deal, she says, because having an offshore company or account is not illegal or unethical. But it is private. Or it was supposed to be.



  58. Yoda says:

    New Zealand Prime Minister John Key has been kicked out of the House for disobeying the speaker. The ejection took place when Key refused to take a seat after explaining that he would not apologize to charities he had linked to the Panama Papers.



  59. M says:

    O dear, there was a most hilariously funny side to “the church experience” as well! 😀
    I accompanied Cill to the service and there were times I didn’t know whether to laugh or cry! Trust me, he is an impressive looking specimen at any time, but to see him in a tailor-made dark suit O.M.G…

    The congregation was 90% female and there was a loud creaking of pews and necks as they craned to get a look at him. We sat near the front and I felt like the proverbial goldfish.

    During the hymns, to say Cill sang lustily would be an understatement… I swear his singing shocked the congregation into silence for the first bar or two. Then his comments during the sermon, which were quietly spoken for the Minister’s ears but were heard several rows back I’m sure, capped it all off. I was desperately, *desperately* trying to restrain my laughter… O wow, he gave them all an experience they will never forget, of that I’m certain!

    When it ended the congregation waited for Cill and I to tread like bride and groom along the aisle between them. I half expected the organ to burst into the wedding song! The Minister was waiting outside the door. He shook my hand and ignored Cill’s. Silly little man.

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  60. molly says:

    I wish I had been there! HAHAHAHA!

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  61. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    If women want to take every opportunity to run down their husbands, it is going to be very hard to sell marriage to men.
    They know what they are doing and they don’t care.

    I know why that cat is on that surfboard. It’s that much closer to the fish!

    I read the link about the female on female groper. It looks as if the county has drooped charges and, while they referred it to the feds, I don’t think they will pursue. She is going to avoid prosecution entirely. I don’t want to think what would happen to a man charged with doing that but, it would be a certainty that it would be vigorously prosecuted.

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  62. Ame says:

    Cill and Molly –


    first … i laughed so hard … cause my husband would say the same thing. there are churches i won’t even think of attending b/c my sweet, east texas, redneck husband, with that very slow, deep bass twang, would just say, “Buuuuullllll Shhhiiiiittt.” it would take about five seconds or more.

    second … good for you, Cill. what would happen if men started stating the truth in churches all over the world?!

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  63. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Molly! Burrito, burrito, burrito, 🐻 rool
    I am glad that you were not there but, too bad we don’t have video.

    So you were there? Ninety percent female has to be an exaggeration but, that it’s overwhelmingly female explaind the bias to gynocentrism and political corectness.
    BTW, I am glad that you are keeping Cill company.

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  64. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    I think that they are doing their best to drive men away. For the men leaving, it may not be worth the effort to explain. The church people have to know. They aren’t that dense.

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  65. Cillhouette says:

    I already knew about “the church experience” – M couldn’t wait to tell us about it when she got home. 😀 Darn it, I wish I had been there too! I missed all the fun! 😛

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  66. Cill says:

    That’s what I thought too, Ame. More men have to speak up.

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  67. Cill says:

    Wait for it….


  68. Ame says:

    Fuzzie –

    I think that they are doing their best to drive men away. For the men leaving, it may not be worth the effort to explain. The church people have to know. They aren’t that dense.”


    Fuzzie – you would be shocked, shocked, at how much time and money churches are spending trying to figure out where the men have gone, why the men have gone, and how to get them back.

    i would think someone would have told even one someone in at least one church … but if they’ve been told, they’ve ignored it.

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  69. Ame says:

    i lifted the privacy on my blog. hopefully the creeper will have moved on.

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  70. Choicy says:

    Crikey I’d sacrifice a can of Fosters to be there in the church. It musta been funny as a fart in a spacesuit, mate. Yeah we should speak up more than we do.

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  71. Cill says:


    Choicy I read your mind mate (refer me at 3:12 am above).


  72. Farm Boy says:

    I wonder how independent Moehau Man womans are…


  73. Choicy says:

    Yeah Cillo, it’s not rocket science mate. I’m only here for the sheilas, we all know that mate.

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  74. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    This was linked by Rollo on another blog years ago. In the meanwhile, I understand that he has “retired”.

    It is hjard being innocent of what he is accusing men of and listening to it.
    Someone this abusive does not deserve the time of day.

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  75. Ame says:

    Choicy, Cill, Moehau Man, Molly, M, Cillhouette (did i miss anyone?!)-


    do women also refer to each other as ‘mate’ over there … or only the men?

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  76. Guests says:

    Hi Choicy!

    Wow Fuzzie, that video!

    Ame do they *really* wonder why men don’t go to church?

    Sister #2

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  77. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    You’d sacrifice a can of Foster’s? That is saying a lot, coming fron you! And you don’t have “oil cans” down there.

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  78. Guests says:

    Ame you missed me, Cill’s other sister. Hi! (smiley wink)

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  79. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Hello, Cill’s Sister #2!
    Isn’;t he awful? I’d say something about self identified alphas but, You all can guess and not be off the maek at all.

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  80. Ame says:

    oh, no! i can’t leave anyone out!

    Choicy, Cill, Moehau Man, Molly, M, Cillhouette AND Sister #2

    did i get it all now?!!! 🙂


    Sister #2 –
    “Ame do they *really* wonder why men don’t go to church?”

    sadly, yes. they really do wonder. and they keep trying all these ways to get men back into church. sigh. if i have time, i find some links for you, but it probably won’t be tonight (as it’s 9:40pm where i am 🙂 )


    Fuzzie –
    i haven’t kept up with Mark Driscoll, but i know people who do, so i catch glimpses of what he’s doing/not doing occasionally. yes, he stepped down from the mega church he started … there were some issues that he created that caused that. was a big deal in that world. last i heard he had not dealt w/his issues but was guest speaking at other churches, but it’s been awhile.

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  81. Choicy says:

    Ame the sheilas call men “mate”, but not each other mate. (wink)

    Sister 2, a preacher delivers a salty infested billabong full of shite at men and they wonder why men stay away. Stupid as a bag of rubber hammers mate.

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  82. Guests says:

    “Choicy, Cill, Moehau Man, Molly, M, Cillhouette AND Sister #2”

    Hooray it’s like New Year’s Eve!

    I should be elsewhere! I must fly. Toodle-oo (bye)

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  83. Choicy says:

    Yeah I must get back to the never ending toil myself. Goodbye until next time, my mates.

    Liked by 3 people

  84. Cill says:

    Go with care, choicy.

    Liked by 1 person

  85. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    I hope this finds the down under crowd.
    Thank you for being here!

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  86. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    They aren’t that thick that they can’t understand why men are leaving. It’s that they don’t want to know.

    Liked by 1 person

  87. Ame says:

    Fuzzie –
    you’re probably right. the truth is a hard pill to swallow sometimes.

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  88. Cill says:

    Being at one with the PC mob and going on a hate-male rant causes a nice burst of dopamine in the weazel brain of the mangina. I’m talking about the arse hole in Fuzzy’s video above. Pathetic prick.

    What I don’t understand is, why didn’t the men walk out of the church? Maybe there were no men there.

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  89. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    That is a big question. Hearing that and being undeserving of its message made me furious. That would be a normal reaction. Who in their right mind would want more of the same.
    However, somebody saw some wisdom because he stepped down.

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  90. molly says:

    Fuzzie thanks for the food! A burrito on a tray and choice of sauce for you:

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  91. Spawny Get says:

    There’s some official CofE (iirc) research out there. Done on what influences whether children of believers continue to attend after they leave home. The greatest influence was whether the father attended regularly.

    By pandering to those who likely control donations to the church (women) in the short term, these churches are driving off men and so are killing themselves in the medium term.

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  92. Cill says:

    It appears that hate diatribes against men were not the reason for that Mark Driscoll creep being forced to resign.

    “He has been accused of creating a culture of fear at the church, of plagiarizing, of inappropriately using church funds and of consolidating power to such a degree that it has become difficult for anyone to challenge or even question him.”.


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  93. Spawny Get says:


    The June 2003 issue of Touchstone magazine published the conclusions of a Swiss study that confirm this proposition. It examined the connection between a parent’s church attendance and the future likelihood that his or her children would also attend church. (below are their findings in graph form.)

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  94. Spawny Get says:


    The Critical Factor

    In 1994 the Swiss carried out an extra survey that the researchers for our masters in Europe (I write from England) were happy to record. The question was asked to determine whether a person’s religion carried through to the next generation, and if so, why, or if not, why not. The result is dynamite. There is one critical factor. It is overwhelming, and it is this: It is the religious practice of the father of the family that, above all, determines the future attendance at or absence from church of the children.

    If both father and mother attend regularly, 33 percent of their children will end up as regular churchgoers, and 41 percent will end up attending irregularly. Only a quarter of their children will end up not practicing at all. If the father is irregular and mother regular, only 3 percent of the children will subsequently become regulars themselves, while a further 59 percent will become irregulars. Thirty-eight percent will be lost.

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  95. Spawny Get says:

    More from the Touchstone article

    Father’s Influence

    In short, if a father does not go to church, no matter how faithful his wife’s devotions, only one child in 50 will become a regular worshipper. If a father does go regularly, regardless of the practice of the mother, between two-thirds and three-quarters of their children will become churchgoers (regular and irregular). If a father goes but irregularly to church, regardless of his wife’s devotion, between a half and two-thirds of their offspring will find themselves coming to church regularly or occasionally.

    A non-practicing mother with a regular father will see a minimum of two-thirds of her children ending up at church. In contrast, a non-practicing father with a regular mother will see two-thirds of his children never darken the church door. If his wife is similarly negligent that figure rises to 80 percent!

    The results are shocking, but they should not be surprising. They are about as politically incorrect as it is possible to be; but they simply confirm what psychologists, criminologists, educationalists, and traditional Christians know. You cannot buck the biology of the created order. Father’s influence, from the determination of a child’s sex by the implantation of his seed to the funerary rites surrounding his passing, is out of all proportion to his allotted, and severely diminished role, in Western liberal society.

    A mother’s role will always remain primary in terms of intimacy, care, and nurture. (The toughest man may well sport a tattoo dedicated to the love of his mother, without the slightest embarrassment or sentimentality). No father can replace that relationship. But it is equally true that when a child begins to move into that period of differentiation from home and engagement with the world “out there,” he (and she) looks increasingly to the father for his role model. Where the father is indifferent, inadequate, or just plain absent, that task of differentiation and engagement is much harder. When children see that church is a “women and children” thing, they will respond accordingly—by not going to church, or going much less.

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  96. Ame says:

    Spawny –
    i had heard about that piece years ago but hadn’t seen the link.
    it is shocking and sad that the modern church has so demeaned the role of the man.

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  97. Spawny Get says:

    Another interesting read. Don’t be mislead by the title, this is pro-father

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  98. Spawny Get says:


    In this episode of the Keiser Report Max and Stacy discuss ‘the end game’ as central banks run out of bullets just in time for the debt apocalypse. In the second half Max interviews Professor Steve Keen (@ProfSteveKeen) about Donald Trump’s plans to default on US debt.

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  99. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Thank you for the burrito!

    I hadn’t known why he was asked to step down. The man bashing and dipping into curch funds have the same root-arrogance.

    Speaking of which, it really bugs me that men who consider themselves dominant believe they are at liberty to bash suordinates. Excuse me, but this is bullying.

    It seems that in all aspects of society, female endorsement is sought at the expense of men. It is presumed that women spend their money and their husbands’ money but, with marriage rates dropping, it is no longer true.

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  100. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Vox DAy has a post picking up on Dalrock’s, which Spawny linked above.

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  101. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Spawny Get,
    I watched that. What an odd combo. An American economic bear reporting from London carried by Russia Today. As for predicting collapse, all anyone can do is say that there is potential. It would take a good crystal ball to put a date on it. He does bring up a worrying point. Legislators haven’t done diddly since 2008 to address the problems that caused it. It will happen again.

    He made an observation about workers that was so profound, it floored me. Back in the day, workers were needed for their work, savings, and consumption. With China paying Chinese wages, the value of work goes out the window. With the Fed setting interest rates so low, their savings isn’t needed. All that is is left is consumption. Now, I understand why this society has gone so gynocentric. We’re going to have to have another Great Depression to reset the economy to sanity.

    BTW, that was a great link!

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  102. Yoda says:

    Not heard much from Triggley Puff lately we have

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  103. Yoda says:

    Not heard much from Moe either we have

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  104. Yoda says:

    Wonder if coincidence this would be

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  105. Spawny Get says:

    Glad you enjoyed the video. Max is quite a character, his wife there provides a little balance in that regard. He’s been saying the same things for a while, so far they’ve managed to keep kicking the can down the road. Japan shows that as long as you can keep doing that, you can keep doing it. The debt just piles up, as long as interest rates stay low you can cover the debt. It’s my guess that the oil countries that our leaders went begging to after 2008 are now forcing our hand on immigration from muslim countries. We the people are now pushing back increasingly. Something’s going to snap, sooner or later.

    I didn’t finish watching it before linking it because I was beaten up again today. Same woman too, I never learn.

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  106. Spawny Get says:

    Yoda, you reckon secret nuptials? A match made in the Paleolithic


  107. Yoda says:

    At Harvard University, women are protesting the school’s recent move to ban single-sex “final clubs,” because the school didn’t limit the ban to male clubs. Due to the wording of Harvard’s new rule ending the clubs, the school’s five fraternities and four sororities, as well as women-only final clubs, would be disbanded.


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  108. Yoda says:

    Wonder if make pikelets she can

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  109. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    I think that if Moe sees Trigglypuff, all you will see is a dot on the horizon.Big Red Is the limit of credibility.


  110. Spawny Get says:

    Bah! Moe can run, but with all that flapping I reckon that Trigglypuff can fly

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  111. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    I think it was Judgybitch that had a post on that topic. The women at Harvard are going ape because the boom has to be lowered on all same sex clubs. It may be hypocritical but, when women are restricted, equality is not too popular.

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  112. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    The thought of Trigglypuff flying…
    That is scary!

    Liked by 1 person

  113. Spawny Get says:

    Maybe she’s more of a glider, seeing as she seems to have a natural flying squirrel suit.

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  114. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    I just watched this video and I feel so much better. I have no idea why.

    Liked by 1 person

  115. Moehau Man says:

    All this talk about me and a Triggly Puff, I can’t see much use for them really. You could drop them into a boiling pot I suppose, but the fluff would steam off and you’d be left with a few hooves. You could boil the hooves for glue, but there wouldn’t be much of it. That’s all a Triggly Puff boils down to at the end of the day, you know. A glob of glue. You foreign jokers could rub them on your hands for extra grip, I guess.

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  116. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Moehau Man,
    I am happy that you could find a use for Trigglypuff. I don’t think that any of the rest of us could.
    A happy thought for you. Since she can’t fit in an airplane seat, I think that she will stay close to Massachusetts.

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  117. Yoda says:

    All this talk about me and a Triggly Puff

    Multitudes of them there are?

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  118. Liz says:

    “Maybe she’s more of a glider, seeing as she seems to have a natural flying squirrel suit.’

    Maybe when she shakes her armflaps, and the ground moves to get away.

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  119. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    “Maybe when she shakes her armflaps, the ground moves to get away?”
    Remind me never to make you mad. You have a talent for eloquent insults.

    Liked by 2 people

  120. Spawny Get says:

    Anything with a sense of self preservation would move away. Good point there Liz

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  121. Spawny Get says:

    And another from Fuzzie

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  122. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Self preservation and a modicum of self respect.

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  123. Yoda says:

    Thought that a good fit for vocals in Moe’s band she was

    Liked by 1 person

  124. Yoda says:

    A new post there would be


  125. Yoda says:

    Above video references Big Red it does.
    But Triggly Puff not


  126. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Big Red is much better at carrying a tune.


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