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If a female celebrity drops out of the news for awhile or seems to be losing the public’s eye, there’s a very easy way to get attention back: get naked.

I’m not saying this is necessarily why these women take their clothes off (and I’m not saying it isn’t) but I am saying it happens with relative frequency. In the last year we’ve seen , Miley Cyrus, and Kim Kardashian (several times) pose nude

In case you think only a certain kind of celebrity bares all, a few others who have participated in nude photo shoots (not leaks) include Academy Award-winning Anne Hathaway and world tennis champion Serena Williams. It’s not just women, but it’s mostly women. And they all give the same reason.

“It’s empowering,” said Lovato after her clothes-free photo shoot last year. “I am empowered by my body,” wrote Kardashian in a blog post a few weeks ago, responding to critics of her latest nude selfie. “I am empowered by my sexuality. I am empowered by feeling comfortable in my skin.”

So is it empowering?  It does seem to be.  These women get to use their body without restrictions for their own gain.  This all is part of a trend where women have less restrictions on their sexuality and men have more on theirs (e.g. consent agreements); with power flowing to the women.

It is odd that this change in relative power has been largely ignored.  Or if it is mentioned, it would be blows against the evil patriarchy.  Furthermore, as changes in laws and norms are made, there are lots of distractions to keep one from seeing what is truly happening.

So what are do they do with this power?  One might suggest to these women that just because one has the power to do something, that does not necessarily mean that one should do it.  Also one might suggest that just because something seems to benefit you in the short run, in the long run it might not be so beneficial.  Furthermore, what might benefit you could be detrimental to society as a whole.  Do any of these thoughts ever cross the mind of empowered women?  What thoughts do cross the mind of empowered women?

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282 comments on “Empowered
  1. Farm Boy says:

    A friend of a friend has a high school soccer playing daughter. The daughter decided that it was AOK to change her shirt while on the field. She was stopped from doing so by others. This resulted in much unhappiness

    So she went on Facebook and started bitching about oppression and how she was proud of her body, etc. Somehow, the larger picture does not seem to occur to youngsters today.

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  2. Farm Boy says:

    I wonder if “empowering” ever involves activities that are difficult and require much work. For example, is digging ditches empowering?

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  3. Liz says:

    Miley and Kim Kardashian have shown so much, so many times, I would think they’d have to post pictures of an abdominal surgery or something to get anyone’s “attention” and show something new.
    There’s an idea. “Hospital view” could be the new kink. Anyone can get naked but that takes some real dedication. Do it Miley! Do it Kim! Show us your spleen.

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  4. Horseman says:

    All those with power no matter how noble their beginnings
    by gender, creed, religion, dogma, politics, state, status.
    All abuse it, all debase themselves
    it is inevitable


  5. SFC Ton says:

    mmmm empowered…..I love it when sluts empower themselves into a a jizz trap full of my baby batter

    empowered = freedom to be the slut they long to be


  6. Yoda says:

    empowered = freedom to be the slut they long to be

    Long to be sluts they do?
    Why this true it is?


  7. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    These celebrities are going to do anything their publicists tell them to. However, responding to to how it felt as “empowering” smacks of narcissism. It was that long ago that it was generally thought that only men could be narcissists. That notion has been stood on its ear.

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  8. Yoda says:

    However, responding to to how it felt as “empowering” smacks of narcissism

    Smacks of lack of intelligence it does

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  9. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Something is going on but, it is not an absence of intelligence. It is appealling to instincts below the level of consciousness. Curiously, it’s not so much about how it affects men but about its effect on women.

    Riddle me this. Years ago, I worked in a place that sold magazines. Ove three fourths of the Sports Illustrated swimsuit edition were sold to women. Whar is up with that? And, these were nominally heterosexual women.

    About narcissis, as I would be very nervous being a friend to Josef Stalin, it may be more dangerous to be associated with female narcissists.

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  10. Ame says:

    “Ove three fourths of the Sports Illustrated swimsuit edition were sold to women. Whar is up with that? And, these were nominally heterosexual women.”

    women dress for other women, competing with other women … wanting to be praised and complimented and called sexy by other women.


    “So what are do they do with this power? One might suggest to these women that just because one has the power to do something, that does not necessarily mean that one should do it. Also one might suggest that just because something seems to benefit you in the short run, in the long run it might not be so beneficial. Furthermore, what might benefit you could be detrimental to society as a whole.

    one would think!


    “Do any of these thoughts ever cross the mind of empowered women?”



    “What thoughts do cross the mind of empowered women?”

    that would be scary to know.


    Liz – brilliant 🙂

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  11. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    It’s not just competition. There is something very dark and hidden going on and it is close to why these celebrities say it is empowering to pose and be displayed naked.

    Farm Boy,
    She is in high school and she wanted to change her shirt on the field? When she was prevented, she took to facebook to protest?
    More narcissism.
    To add to that, what gives with women protesting about men objectifying them when they go to such a deliberate extent to display themselves?
    It is getting to the point where we need a shovel. It is that deep.

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  12. Ame says:

    Fuzzie –

    It’s not just competition. There is something very dark and hidden going on and it is close to why these celebrities say it is empowering to pose and be displayed naked.”

    that is creepy, but i can see how it could be true. do you think it’s ritualistic? cultish?

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  13. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    No, it is something more general. We’re in the midst of it. like a fish in water, but we don’t realize that water is wet.

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  14. Liz says:

    “women dress for other women, competing with other women … wanting to be praised and complimented and called sexy by other women.”

    Female magazines are filled with images of beautiful women too. It’s projection. Women want to look like them, and they like viewing images of beautiful people.
    There’s also the possibility they are buying the Swimsuit magazines for their sigoths. I’ve bought Mike every issue for the past 20+ years. This year was most interesting because a third of the issues had the “empowered” wrestling chick and the “empowered” fat girl on the cover…those were left on the shelves. It was difficult to find one with the model on the cover.

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  15. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    These women were not buying the issue for their significant others. While they were outwardly heterosexual, I cannot account for the level of interest that would exceed heterosexual men. As it stands, to me, it is inexplicable. The only thing that can account for some of it is the culture we live attributes beauty to women and not to men.


  16. Yoda says:

    Cosmo always had hot chicks on the cover they did.
    Odd it did seem

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  17. Yoda says:

    There is something very dark and hidden going on

    So what this dark and hidden thing be?

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  18. Liz says:

    “While they were outwardly heterosexual, I cannot account for the level of interest that would exceed heterosexual men. As it stands, to me, it is inexplicable. The only thing that can account for some of it is the culture we live attributes beauty to women and not to men.”

    It isn’t odd, Fuzzie. It’s normal for women to be “objectified” that way. Women are supposed to be “sexual objects”. For men, this is more demeaning…can you image John Wayne dancing naked on a table?
    Think of the cultures that objectified men in a similar fashion. We are starting to (we see these trends in magazines too), Rome did, Greece did.

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  19. Liz says:

    Now, I will say I do very much like the male form…but it’s a different context and more nuanced (I guess that’s the proper word). In modern society there have never been more men in magazines posing or naked men dancing than there are now. Is this empowering to men overall? I’d say it’s the opposite. The last Magic Mike demonstrated this social change well…the men even danced in “drag queen” contest at one point.


  20. SFC Ton says:

    Of course women compete against each other

    A bitch’s best chance of survival in the ugly is the man who owns her ( and her sons if she is older) so she wants the Apex Alpha or as close on as she can pull

    this shit and rocket surgery

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  21. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    I can see why men would mot like being objectified but, we’re not. Nem are human doings while women are human beings.
    Yoda points out something. The women on Cosmo are better looking than the ones on men’s magazines. While it is natural for men to be attracted to the female form, why are the hotter girls on the cover of Cosmopolitan?
    At another blog, a female commenter pointed out to me that the masculine is attracted to the feminine and vice versa, even if it is only words on a computer screen.
    While the Greeks were weird about promoting male beauty, could that be an indicator of an androcentric society? Do we live in society that is gynocentric to the same degree?

    I do not know what is dark and hidden. I may need to dwell on it for a bit. With my last comment to Liz, I have to believe that gynocetricism is at the bottom of it.

    Cojme to think of it, Greek culture wasn’t completely androcentric. Spartan women had an incredible amount of latitude. It was a standing joke in Athens.


  22. BuenaVista says:

    The phenomenon of female exhibitionism as empowering, neatly contrasts with female efforts to criminalize male attention. (That’s why it’s now “sexual assault” on college campuses to look intently at a fully dressed girl at a party — if that girl wants a different boy to stare at her.)

    McCain summarizes the absurdity of feminist anti-male hate. Now, someone tell me how to plug Paris Hilton, KK, or any of the millions of the self-published empowered naked chicks on Tumblr, into the dominant feminist attitude that reviles the “male gaze.”


    As a practical matter, men just have to know when the male gaze is required, vs. when it’s illegal. Or stop giving a shit. The millenial I was talking with Saturday night, shoving her ta-tas in my face (epic, admittedly) and waving her finger in her age-appropriate boyfriend’s face (“Be good and go talk to them for a few minutes”) said, “I think they’re pretty good too!” Aside from her boyfriend being a combat veteran who outweighs me by 50 pounds, and the fact that her dad is a close friend, no — no ambiguity here, ya, you betcha.

    She was loaded, and it was 1:30 a.m., but I was still informed by the experience. When I’ve gone to church or dinner with her family, she is outwardly chaste and deferential to her parents and community. I was shocked at how sexually confident (brazen?) she was with me. This attitude didn’t exist a couple of decades ago. I’m really starting to wonder if I post to this blog from jail some day.

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  23. BuenaVista says:

    The next day (raining again) I was in her Dad’s shed trying to learn how to weld. Just for background, this guy runs 1400 acres and sells more seed than anyone, but one, in his seed company’s USA operations. He lives in fear of his wife divorcing him and yanking 50% out from under him, but he also could sell out tomorrow and pocket close to $15 million pretax. He’s also an elder in the very conservative church we attend.

    “Well, I just want you to know, your daughter bought me a drink last night.”

    “– (shocked face)”

    “I also met Cameron. Seems like a good guy.”

    “I didn’t know what to think of him when I met him. He’s got tattoos but then I found out he was in Afghanistan.”

    “He’s a good guy. Man with a plan. But I wouldn’t worry about his bossing your daughter around. That ain’t going to happen.”

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  24. Ame says:

    “outwardly chaste and deferential to her parents and community. I was shocked at how sexually confident (brazen?) she was with me. This attitude didn’t exist a couple of decades ago.”

    i’ve seen that double-personality girl … more than i care to have 😦

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  25. SFC Ton says:

    LOL always lessons to be learned BV


    there are no good girls or bad girls. there are just girls. Some will act the slut for anyone, one will only act the slut for a few but they will all act the sex positive empowered woman role

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  26. Spawny Get says:

    Trigglypuff is a gift from above. She displays a different subset of feminist dysfunction to Big Red…diversity is good in educational material. Also, Big Red’s material is getting a bit old. Is she in treatment in a secure facility? Have they got enough room for Triggly too?

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  27. SFC Ton says:

    also ti amuses me how we get a pass on tattoos for being military


  28. Spawny Get says:

    “they will all act the sex positive empowered woman role”

    Triggly can try, but she’s riding on the empty peg. I don’t think it’ll get her far. Those running on empty more usually go the embittered femeroid nutjob route.

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  29. BuenaVista says:

    We’re Nordic up here (he’s a Dane, I’m Norwegian) and there’s none of the brazen Scots Irish warrior ethic. That said, everybody I know in the countryside who was old enough served through Vietnam, and most of them volunteered. None of these guys had to be taught how to shoot an M-1.

    And we’re old enough that tattoos hadn’t become a fashion statement. So I’m just going to defend my friend and say he doesn’t “get” tattoos. In our world, as boys, only the hoods got tattoos.


    I do think there could have been some groping that night, had she been alone and convinced that none of her friends or family would have found out. She was definitely violating my personal space.

    Anyway, I just DGAF anymore, and treat everyone over the age of 18 as a potential. The response to which confirms Ton’s snorting observation.

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  30. Spawny Get says:

    The biggest thing that a barking mad person should avoid is doing dog impressions on camera. Just saying.

    I do not envy you guys your options for potus. And that’s a guy in the UK saying that. Chilling. I really hope that Trump is what he claims to be. I hope that the conspiracy nuts are…nuts.

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  31. SFC Ton says:

    LOL no need to defend your friend BV
    Part of it is the generational shift but mostly its about how men will give military men a pass on certain things. Tattoos are only the most visible and easy to define


  32. BuenaVista says:

    HIllary won’t be the nominee, or we’ll be in total societal meltdown. Anyone who ever had a clearance knows that she’s already publicly convicted herself of several thousand felonies. The guys who’ve been inside Langley, Fort Meade, the Pentagon, the FBI, or any of the other 50 intelligence/secure facilities: they live in fear of fucking up once, by accident. They’ll leak the goods if the administration tries to sanitize her grotesque fat ass.

    Minor example: you walk into Fort Meade with a cellphone on your person? You will be speadeagled on the floor with an M-4 pointed at your head. 60 seconds later you will be in irons. Everyone knows those are the rules. Her self-admitted offenses number in the thousands.

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  33. Yoda says:

    Hillary just so darn unlikable she is

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  34. Yoda says:

    Also, Big Red’s material is getting a bit old

    Still have Lena and Lindy we do.

    If only Andrea still alive she was…

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  35. Yoda says:

    Triggly can try, but she’s riding on the empty peg.

    Looks full to me she does.

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  36. Yoda says:

    Now, someone tell me how to plug Paris Hilton, KK, or any of the millions of the self-published empowered naked chicks on Tumblr, into the dominant feminist attitude that reviles the “male gaze.”

    The gaze only bad if say so they do.
    Behold the arbitors of good and evil

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  37. Yoda says:

    Why empowerment induces so much pride it does?

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  38. SFC Ton says:

    I have a friend in the intell bidness. He has the OCD and has never breached any of the 1000’s of rules. Otherwise everyone has, it’s a matter of degree. No one loses their job over forgetting to sign out of the secure copier every now or then but what the hill-dog did….. that would be your job and jail time

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  39. BuenaVista says:

    Leave a hard copy of secure communication on your desk (within a secure facility) and go home? You’re busted and hiring a defense lawyer.

    I’m skating around a barrel of issues, but my story about the cellphone at the NSA is no joke. Also, any time someone has an inferior clearance enters a conference room there, the entire area is bathed in a police gumball rotating red light. This is something stricter than pushing satellite and humint details on a Windows server from Best Buy located in the basement.

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  40. thedeti says:


    Farmboy asks “What thoughts do cross the mind of empowered women?”

    My answer is something along the lines of what brother Buena Vista and, to a lesser extent, Brother ton was saying yesterday at the Do or Do Not thread.

    Empowered women (which for all intents and purposes is “all women” today) just don’t know, and really don’t care to know, what the life of the average or even above-average man is like in the west (particularly the United States).

    I know I can speak frankly here, even to the women who partake in these discussions. So please don’t be offended, dear women of this blog, when I say that the same is generally true of each of you.

    It’s getting worse.

    Yesterday and the day before I was, ill-advisedly, at two female run blogs where the topic of discussion was

    “those autistic, unattractive, wimpy, whiny, afraid of rejection, complaining about nonexistent ‘nuclear rejections’, bitching-about-feminism men of the manosphere, always complaining about women not wanting to marry and men not being able to find marriageable women. If only those men would man up and start acting like men and start asking out women and stop fearing rejection, why, we’d be SO much better off!!”

    Men and women understand each other even less than they did 5 years ago when I stumbled across this place. It’s getting worse. Increasingly, the manosphere is seen as a bunch of autistic, spergy, malformed, Cheetos-dusted, poorly socialized, seethingly angry and resentful men who couldn’t finagle a handjob out of a chubby 4. And you know, to a degree, that’s correct. Thing is, those guys KNOW this about themselves. That’s why they’re there in the manosphere and on Reddit’s r/theredpill. If these guys knew how to get girls, they wouldn’t be on the internet trying to figure out how to get girls. They know the problem is with them, with girls and with our fucked up legal and cultural system.

    What is going through the minds of empowered women? From what I can see and discern, it has much to do with entitlement, self-absorption, self-centeredness, and near-complete obliviousness to the “real world” and long-term future time orientation. I think it’s something like this:

    “I care solely and only about me. I care about hawt guys and getting what I can from them. I don’t really have to worry about money, because I have my own job and my own money, and what I can’t get from them I can eke out of less attractive men and the government.

    “I want hawt sex from hawt guys, and I know I can get that whenever I feel like it. But I want those guys to start acting like real men, and giving me the commitment I want, when I want it, in the form that I want it. But I don’t want any of them demanding that I give them anything. Because I shouldn’t have to give them anything.

    “I just don’t get why it is that these guys won’t marry me, why they don’t ask, why they fuck me for a few weeks/months and then dump me for someone else. I truly don’t understand it. It must be because of them. The men I want to fuck are bad because they won’t offer me marriage. The men I don’t want to fuck are bad because they want to fuck me and can’t figure out that I don’t want to fuck them. Or for some reason they keep on trying.

    “I am a woman, I am powerful, and I should get what I want, and no one has the right to tell me I cannot have what I want.”

    That’s what I think is going through the minds of “empowered” women.

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  41. Funny how when I was a kid and nude celebrity photos surfaces, the women would be embarrassed and ashamed. Madonna was probably the first to respond to leaked pics from before she was famous with a “so what?” Then shared a whole book of them. Now with the Internet and naked photos/porn videos not being something one has to go to “the naughty store” to get, nudity is both so fetishized and yet pre leant that now it’s empowering. “Look at fabulous meeeee!” Weird.

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  42. Liz says:

    Per Hilldabeast, I think her ethical violations will take her down if not her security violations. The charges against her do seem pretty legion.
    If not, well…I hope BV is right about the societal meltdown.


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  43. Liz says:

    We really, really can’t have this person in the highest office in the country.

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  44. The United States also has a much more taboo thing about nudity so maybe it’s the thrill of being naughty that’s empowering?

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  45. thedeti says:

    Another thing about my rant above is this:

    Every single goddamn day I come to the redpillsphere, I talk to women who have worked with these red pill concepts for years. They should know better. And yet here we are, going over the same concepts, arguments, statements, counterarguments and counterstatements, over and over and over again.

    It’s “I just don’t get how men are blah blah blah” and “why can’t I get commitment” and “why don’t I have a boyfriend” and “men only care about sexual attraction and attractiveness” and “I don’t understand why I can’t have a hawt guy who married me and rubs my feet and does the dishes” and “why does the guy who rubs my feet and does the dishes look like Steve Buscemi” and “why does a guy who looks like Brad Pitt fuck em and chuck em”?

    “Huh?” “How come?”

    IT’s because you don’t want to see the truth as it is. It’s because you simply cannot BEAR to look at it. It’s because we turn the rock over to expose the worms and the maggots.

    I’ve been through this twice before, once with Sunshine Mary at her old place, and once at Susan Walsh’s Hooking Up Smart 2.0, post Dalrockgate and pre-October 2013 purge. Men and women just cannot talk to each other about this stuff. Even women who should know better revert back to Blue Pill “but um, how come I can’t have what I want” and “I don’t see why I can’t have a hawt guy who rubs my feet and does the dishes and brings me flowers bond with me in holy matrimony”.

    You can’t have what you want because Fuckbuddy Rockbanddrummer, Harley McBadboy and Alpha McGorgeous are going to move on to the next girl when they’re done with you or when you start making demands. You can’t have what you want because Louie Lawyer and Eddie Steadyman and Ernie Engineer can bring the beta cucks but they can’t bring the sexy. You can have alpha fucks, or you can have beta cucks. Pick one.

    I’m sorry, but that’s just how it is. It is this way because that’s the world women wanted. And powerful men gave women that world because women said they wanted it.

    And all of us — women included — need to accept this.

    I fear and grieve for my son. He is 9 years old and doesn’t know the hell his forefathers have unleashed on him.

    Twenty, 30, 50 years hence, if there is still a United States, will be a world in which most men are not attractive enough to attract and keep the attention of a woman for their lives. Most men will not marry. Most men will not father children, or at least will not be a significant part of their children’s lives in the sense that they live with their kids and have a significant hand in their upbringing. Most men will not know the affection of a woman except when they “get lucky”. Most men’s sex lives as they live through their 20s and well into middle age will resemble their high school sex lives — a few relationships, a few ONS which punctuated years-long dry spells. Most men will live dry, parched sex lives — if they have sex lives at all.

    My son will be inculcated with low expectations for women and for his fellow men. I don’t expect to have grandchildren, or a daughter in law. He is a handsome boy. But I don’t want him living his life at the mercy of some woman he knocked up, who holds his children hostage, and simply wrings money out of him. If he has a choice, I’d much prefer he went his own way, and even that he suffered the occasional sexually immoral coupling, than he lives a life separated from his child and seen as little more than a source of money.

    These are bleak, bleak times.

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  46. BuenaVista says:

    LIz, you allude to more than ethical violations. She’s under FBI investigation for Public Corruption felonies. The governor of VA, McDonnell was convicted by the DoJ of Public Corruption. He received gifts and a 125K loan from a businessman. The government did NOT assert that there was any quid pro quo — just the appearance of the possibility of quid pro quo.

    The Clintons have been laundering tens of millions of dollars from countries and companies with pending matters before the State Dept. For example, she sold off 40% of our uranium capacity to a Canadian company with Russian investors, while SecState.The quid — $ to the Foundation — are paid back with USG approvals and other favors.

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  47. BuenaVista says:

    It’s straightforward for so-called RP women to bag a man (though my comment reflects a relationship not designed to produce children). They just don’t want to modify their requirements to reflect the external world and its legal and social infrastructure.

    Deti used to advise three qualities that work. I remember two:

    a. be nice
    b. don’t get fat

    Perhaps #3 is

    c. did I mention, be nice?

    To these I add:

    d. love me long time
    e. don’t ask me to mix love and money, again. What’s mine is mine and yours is yours.
    f. I’m not marrying the State again, so we’re going to have to live like Sartre and de Beauvoir. (Or Spencer Tracy and Hepburn, or gay guys pre-gay-State-marriage. Or Ton! and his harem.)

    e. and f. are nonstarters with women today. d. requires a leap of faith.

    For a woman to openly assert a-f, she’ll be ostracized and isolated from many, if not most, of her friends. The friends seem to play a larger role in courtship than most adult men can believe, which is a major source of conflict.

    I have serial anecdotes to support my thesis but … uggh. Enough of that. Suffice to say, a promise to honor and cherish collapses in value if it doesn’t include assigning a call option on a man’s balance sheet.

    It’s remarkable to me how little concern so-called red pill women express about the world awaiting their sons and daughters. Perhaps you have to be older to worry about this, but confronting the fact of losing one’s patrimony, legacy and family tree is a cold, cold Lubyanka breakfast. It will keep you up at night.

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  48. thedeti says:


    Be nice
    Be pretty
    Don’t get fat
    Be available

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  49. BuenaVista says:

    (A ‘Lubyanka breakfast’ is what the Russians called a) that morning when you’re imprisoned in downtown Moscow, Lubyanka Prison; and b) the inevitable early morning walk to the basement where you got a Makarov behind one of your ears.

    They were specialists and had a special room where they could dispatch dozens of people in a day, then hose it all down to prepare for the following day.)

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  50. BuenaVista says:

    I think they’ve got “be available” down pat.

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  51. SFC Ton says:

    Her voters don’t give a shit about her ethical violations
    obama was not qualified to have the same level clearance as myself and yet the voters showed up for him
    Those people don’t much give a shit about ethics

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  52. BuenaVista says:

    50,000 people in the IC care, though. They’re not going to roll over if Obama kills the indictments.

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  53. SFC Ton says:

    If only those men would man up and start acting like men and start asking out women and stop fearing rejection, why, we’d be SO much better off!!”

    they ain’t wrong; they don’t grasp cause and effect very well

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  54. Ame says:

    thedeti – I agree with all you’ve written and do not take offense to any of it.

    my husband and I were actually talking about this a bit at lunch today (I surprised him at work and took him to lunch! was fun when I was able to sneak up behind him and caress the back of his head … he freaked wondering who the heck at the office would do THAT! 🙂 )

    anyway … back on topic … we were talking about spawny’s and the discussions out here … following a sad but necessary convo w/his ex wife just after sitting down (friend of son committed suicide 😦 ) … and he asked me how I knew not to be like most other women … his ex wife …those thedeti described. (disclaimer – I am NOT saying i’m perfect, that I’ve never screwed up, that I am innocent in all past ills, etc).

    idk the full answer to that. I know I did not want to be like my mother. I know I read my Bible and try to integrate what I read into my life. I know I read and learn and listen and filter out the stupid and try to integrate the right. if something hasn’t worked, I’ve been pretty quick to drop it and look for something that does. I care about my husband and what he wants and needs and do make myself available to him, do commit to him and prove my commitment to him daily (don’t make him assume it), apologize and ask and give forgiveness quickly, do dress and fix myself for him in the ways he, personally, likes (one of the reasons I surprised him at work today was b/c I had a great hair day – one of those days where it looks exactly the way he loves it). I simply care enough about him to choose to want to do the things he likes.

    I have never understood anyone who thinks it’s all about them and never sees that if they want and like certain things, then other people do, too … that if they want someone to care for them in the ways they like and need, then others do, too.

    and I don’t know why all these women think they need to change everyone BUT themselves. I honestly don’t get that. even when I point it out to them, and they seem to get it, they still often don’t care; it’s still all about them. I don’t like being around them, either.

    and I am NOT saying I understand men, what you men are going through, what this world and what women have and are doing to you. I don’t and can’t. but I will say that I don’t like it. it’s wrong.

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  55. Ame says:

    thedeti says:

    2 May, 2016 at 7:58 pm


    Be nice
    Be pretty
    Don’t get fat
    Be available


    great advice.

    I teach my girls to be nice and smile. just be kind. I took my oldest out to lunch yesterday – it’s the one thing she loves to do one-on-one with me, so I make sure we do it often. the waiter was a bit slow and messed up some things. but I told her … just be kind, be nice, and smile. if he was being a jerk, that would be different. they fixed what was wrong. it was all good. no need to ruin someone’s day over it. grace, mercy, forgiveness … in the measure you would like done to you.

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  56. Yoda says:

    I think they’ve got “be available” down pat.

    “Skanky Bar” available yes they would be.
    Available where “good guys” hang out less so they are.

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  57. horseman says:

    thedeti at 7:25

    the conditions you describe twenty years hence ..accurately too.

    In that situation what is the motivation to live?
    no physical comfort such as a hug
    no sexual release
    no emotional connection
    no unit either work or family in which to be respected

    looking at forty years of that….other than the survival instinct why keep breathing? At least Tom Hanks had the possibility of rescue.

    I forsee gross epidemic of substance abuse and suicide on a massive scale.

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  58. Spawny Get says:

    in other news…

    ITV being the non-state sponsored competition for the beeb

    The current official media line is that it’s neck and neck. Oops. Somebody telling porkies?

    P.S. o’blojob’s intervention / semi veiled threat seems to have caused some backlash. BREXIT gained a few points in the days after Bazza’s bollox.

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  59. Spawny Get says:

    Undiplomatic news via Milo

    cf Jian Gomeshi’s scheming liars who seem to be claiming that no-one told them it was naughty to lie in court.

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  60. Cill says:

    Good comments. I’m a bit tied up with the kid, or I’d join in

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  61. thedeti says:

    Spawny: What in the world…..?

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  62. Ame says:

    Cill – forget us … take care of the kid.

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  63. Ash says:

    Consent laws should be for women as well, and if that isn’t something that is being enforced, then that need to be a priority in changing. Is this something that men would participate in though? Or will they let a woman get all handsy because men aren’t supposed to say no to an attractive woman who offers herself?


  64. Spawny Get says:

    I’m hoping that it’s an alien, Deti

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  65. Spawny Get says:

    A woman getting all handsy would probably get me checking my wallet these days… oh what a cynical world we live in now

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  66. Spawny Get says:

    I think I’ve watched too many Milo videos. Reading his tweet has me hearing him say the words. While I laugh.

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  67. Liz says:

    Ame: “Cill – forget us … take care of the kid.”


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  68. Liz says:

    “The United States also has a much more taboo thing about nudity so maybe it’s the thrill of being naughty that’s empowering?”

    LOL I think the “thrill of being naughty” (aka violating social norms) is always a player, Bloom. In my experience “naughty” is relative to the culture. I don’t think pushing this bar is a healthy thing for society at large.
    My “hospital view” comment was tongue in cheek, but not entirely.

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  69. Ame says:

    Liz –
    “My “hospital view” comment was tongue in cheek, but not entirely.”

    gosh, i hope so! i get very squeamish w/body things. i am so NOT the one anyone wants with them in a hospital or doctor’s office. i’d rather see a healthy naked body any day than a sick one inside or out 😉

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  70. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    You didn’t?!


  71. OKRickety says:

    “There’s also the possibility they are buying the Swimsuit magazines for their sigoths.”

    I figured it out, but at first I thought “sigoths” was some offshoot of “goths”. 🙂

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  72. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    I hope that Hillary doesn’t. She has to be more hated than an obscure Illinois legislator was in 1860 and we all know how that turned out.
    What I would really like to see for her is to see her retire to obscurity and hear hr name no more.

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  73. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    I thought it was Ostrogoths, Visigoths, and Gepid Goths.

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  74. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    I can’t see things staying as they are or getting incrementally worse. As it stands, little else can be done to take away the motivation of non-apex men. Without them, how are we going to function?


  75. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Last nignt, I said that i would need to dwell on why women are attracted to good looking women on magazines.I don’t have an anaswer. Everytime I tried to contemplate it, brought up a well of despair.


  76. Ame says:

    OKRickety –
    i misread stuff all.the.time. it’s actually amazing i don’t embarrass myself more than i do by commenting or replying to someone before double checking to make sure i got it right to begin with. and some of the words i think i’ve read! eeeek!


  77. Fuzzie I think w the magazines it’s a “buy this and you’ll be fabulous and beautiful, too” thing. Lots of marketing toward women is based on poking at insecurities or promising to turn the average Jane into a super beauty.

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  78. As for Rp women not getting it after years yes that’s so, but I’d say of many men in the sphere. Deep down we all probably wish it wasn’t what it is, it’s easy to fall back upon denial at times…

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  79. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    On the surface, men are led to believe that because it sounds reasonable. Beneath that, something darker is going on. like a form of goddess worship.


  80. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    So, after all this time, they still expect to rope in an alpha? Did they fail so badly at math that they can’t understand the impications of the 80/20 rule. They have lost Steady Eddie.


  81. Ame says:

    fuzziewuzziebear says:
    3 May, 2016 at 5:51 am
    “Last nignt, I said that i would need to dwell on why women are attracted to good looking women on magazines.I don’t have an anaswer. Everytime I tried to contemplate it, brought up a well of despair.”

    i will try and explain it to you, but i agree that it’s a very hard concept for men to get b/c it really doesn’t make any logical sense at all … it’s pretty much all an emotional thing.

    i’m sure you’ve seen pics of little children playing dress up. little girls will dress up often as princesses. they want the hair and the makeup and the dress and the glitter! it makes them feel pretty, valuable. they get to act it out and feel pretty and special. boys act out, too … but i’m guessing they’re not as much into how it feels as how it does. they get to ‘do’ a pirate, ‘do’ a race-car driver. girls get to ‘feel’ a princess, ‘feel’ like Wendy from Peter Pan. boys would ‘do’ – fly – like Peter Pan.

    as we grow up, every single female (it seems) is pointing out either their flaws or ours. so we grow up looking at our ‘fat’ thighs or our ‘too thin’ lips or our ‘not blonde’ hair or our ‘too short’ height. it’s all about our body – evaluating constantly what is right (nothing!) and what is wrong (everything!)

    putting hot females on the cover of women’s mags markets to us what we CAN be IF ONLY! and ohhh, we’ve lived our whole lives in “if only!” so, if i buy this mag, and buy that makeup, and buy those clothes, and dye my hair with that hair color, THEN i will look like THAT … and THEN i will FEEL pretty! i will FEEL perfect when i look in the mirror! finally!

    here’s another angle.

    if all you guys went out and played a hard game of football in the mud and rain and came into the locker rooms, you’d just all go to the showers and put on clean clothes and leave. there’d be nothing to it. NOT women. if most women had to do that … they’d be thinking and/or saying, “did you see her THIGHS?!” “did you see her BUTT?!” “she definitely wears a push-up bra cause those things are not THAT big!” “OMG! look at my stomach! i’ve got to do 100 crunches tonight and skip breakfast!”

    i mean … can you see guys coming out of the locker room going, “Hey dude, did you see his butt?!” “Can you believe his thighs?” that would never cross your minds. you’d probably be going, “Hey, Man! That was a great catch!” “Oh, Man! If he’d just have moved to my right, I’d of had him!”

    we’re focusing on our bodies and how our bodies make us feel … and how other women’s bodies make us feel. y’all are focusing on what you did. on the doing thing.

    does this help?

    (i know this doesn’t all apply to all men and all women)

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  82. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    That may explain it at a conscious level but, it oes deeper.I keep being reminded of my father’s second wife who couldn’t take her eyes off a waitress’s backside when we went out to dinner once. Had I been that obvious, I would have caught hell.

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  83. Ame says:

    Fuzzie –
    do you know but are unable to articulate it? or are you trying to figure it out?


  84. Liz says:

    I think you’re reading a bit much into this, Fuzzie. This is as old as time. It’s why girls play with barbies. They want to BE barbie.

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  85. Ame says:

    Fuzzie –
    okay … you’ve got me thinking about this … so in my mind, i’m going back to the beginning, or where i believe the beginning is as written in the bible – back to where man and woman were created, and then to where woman screwed up … starting in genesis 2:

    “15 Then the Lord God took the man and put him in the garden of Eden to tend and keep it. 16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, “Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat; 17 but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.” … 21 And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall on Adam, and he slept; and He took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh in its place. 22 Then the rib which the Lord God had taken from man He made into a woman, and He brought her to the man.”

    now when the woman screwed up in genesis 3:

    “Now the serpent was more cunning than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said to the woman, “Has God indeed said, ‘You shall not eat of every tree of the garden’?” 2 And the woman said to the serpent, “We may eat the fruit of the trees of the garden; 3 but of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God has said, ‘You shall not eat it, nor shall you touch it, lest you die.’” 4 Then the serpent said to the woman, “You will not surely die. 5 For God knows that in the day you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” 6 So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree desirable to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate. She also gave to her husband with her, and he ate.”


    1. God made Adam.
    2. God gave Adam the order not to eat of that one tree.
    3. God made Eve for Adam.
    4. Adam passed the order down to Eve.
    5. The cunning serpent approached Eve, not Adam.
    6. Eve proved she knew the order not to eat from that one tree.
    7. The cunning serpent tempted her with lies:
    a) God lied – you will not die
    b) God knows when you eat it your eyes will be opened (this is true)
    c) when your eyes are opened, you will be like God (lie)
    d) when your eyes are opened, you will know the difference btw good and evil (true)
    8. Eve saw:
    a) the tree was good for food – even though they had plenty of food and did not need it.
    b) the tree was pleasant to look at – even though every other tree was, too.
    c) the tree was desirable to make her wise – even though she already had whatever wisdom she needed.
    d) so, she took it – even though Adam ordered her not to, even though she knew the order came from God.
    e) and she ate it, even though Adam ordered her not to, even though she knew the order came from God.
    9. Adam just ate what she gave him.

    so … the woman was manipulated by half-truths and lies. she was manipulated by the implication that – EVEN THOUGH she knew it was wrong, and EVEN THOUGH she already had the best – she still believed there was MORE, BETTER, than what she had. and even knowing exactly what was ordered her by the man, and knowing the order came from the highest level, God, she did it anyway … b/c her emotions were manipulated to believe the lie.


    so, in today’s world. how many wives honestly believe their husband’s when their husband tells her he loves her body and that she’s beautiful to him? very few.

    how many women need continuous confirmation that their body is good enough? most all.

    b/c they’re manipulated by their emotions … to look around … see what others have that she doesn’t … the things she cannot have b/c she wasn’t given them. but she sees … and it looks good, is pleasant to look at, is desirable, will make her more attractive and therefore smarter and happier. she knows the truth, but she rejects it for the lie.

    so even when she buys that magazine, does all those workouts, diets, buys the makeup, colors her hair, buys the clothes – all to make her look better, be more desirable and attractive and therefore smarter and happier, she finds it was all a lie. but she still wants to believe it, so she keeps doing the same stupid things and is never satisfied … because she thinks … if i can just have *her* butt (so she’s staring at it trying to figure out how to mold hers to look like that one) … if i can just have those boobs, so she pays for them … if i can just have _____, THEN i will finally be ‘all that’ and more. but it’s empty so it never satisfies her. never.

    i know men just want to shake women and tell them to stop! i’ve heard lots of men tell their wives they’re beautiful only for the wife to turn around and say she’s not b/c her thighs are too small, too big, etc, etc. and he does not care what she thinks of her body b/c he loves it, it turns him on, he wants it, he wants to see it all the time.

    i think that at some point women just have to stop and *choose* to believe the truth. is the truth that some need to get healthier and in better shape? sure. but even that is not enough for some women. they are never satisfied, never happy, never content with what they’ve got – they always want what another has. until they choose, make a conscious, non-emotional choice, to just stop.

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  86. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    I stocked and sold a lot of magazines there. Thinking back on it, my favorite was Grassroots Racing because thet wouldn’t clutter up the pictures of race cars with girls in bikinis.

    The lst time that I had to spend some time in a waiting room, I reviewed two copies of Woman’s Day. I went through both copies and found only three photos with men in them. That made me nervous.

    There is something to this but I will shut up qbut it for now.


  87. Spawny Get says:

    it’s never good when a protected class, held to be above criticism, loses its marbles. When it’s a class more prone to sheep-like group think… well, here we are

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  88. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    The magazines have taken the place of the serpent?

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  89. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Spawny Get,
    The best advice, under those circumstances, would be to keep your head down until it all blows over?

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  90. Spawny Get says:

    “we’re focusing on our bodies and how our bodies make us feel … and how other women’s bodies make us feel. y’all are focusing on what you did. on the doing thing.”

    That was a post there, just saying

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  91. Liz says:

    If I started looking at magazines filled with male body images Mike would think there was something weird about that. He definitely wouldn’t like it. I’m an artist. I draw. I draw bodies and faces and he prefers women to men.
    Honestly, it perplexes me why this would bother anyone.
    When I played with Barbies, I never had a Ken doll. Didn’t want one. Do boys play with girls dolls? Not ours. If my husband has a fitness magazine it has male images but Maxim is mostly women, for the articles I’m sure.

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  92. Liz says:

    (I was kidding about the articles above)
    I haven’t read Maxim in a while, but it used to be funny.
    Cosmo doesn’t have better looking women than Maxim. Maxim has the women men want to look at and Cosmo and Vogue have the women women want to look like.
    At one point, a few decades back Cosmo almost went broke and sales were down. They started putting the full body of women on the front cover in something skimpy instead of just the face, and the magazine’s popularity soared from just that one change.

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  93. Liz says:

    Just contemplating further (sorry Swithy and Fuzzie, I do blab…)
    I think I’ve figured out what bothers me about this discussion.
    It’s actually kind of a standard feminist talking point.
    “We’re being objectified! Look at all the womens magazines! Why aren’t men objectified too!?!”

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  94. SFC Ton says:

    race cars without girls in bikinis is like peanut butter without jelly

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  95. BuenaVista says:

    “We’re being objectified … and *manipulated* by thoughts in our head! and we’re unable to be happy because the people who don’t objectify us and don’t maniipulate us won’t do anything about it!”

    Eve wasn’t manipulated. Eve just broke the law.

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  96. BuenaVista says:

    Incidentally, one of the imbecilic Clinton defenses is that she was “manipulated” — by a system that classifies too much of the material that is central to the SECSTATE’s office that cannot be removed from secure network and physical facilities under any circumstances? How was she to know that the material that cannot be removed from secure network and physical faciilties under any circumstances cannot be removed from secure network and physical facilities under any circumstances? It’s all just so manipulative and unfair — another out of control obsolete control system designed by men, victimizing a lonely brave female trying to blaze an empowered trail to the future.

    In dating this form of non-logic takes the form of, “Hey,. I’m a girl, deal with it. Or no magical vagina for you!”

    Trump calls it the “woman card” — which, though a euphemism for what it really is, proves once more that Trump wiill mention the unmentionable.

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  97. SFC Ton says:

    There is this over 40’s lady I have to deal with professionally

    Last night she empowered the shit out of herself and sent all manner of photos. The girls and I agreed she should have kept her clothes on. I never responded.

    Wonder what our next face to face will be like?

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  98. SFC Ton says:

    LOL Trump is “fearless” on those sort of things. Why shouldn’t he be? What can “they” do to him? Plus it sells well. The Great unwashed masses eat that stuff up

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  99. Liz says:

    John Robb predicts the mother of all protests at the GOP convention in CLeveland this year (18-24 of July).


    “What’s the chance of protests dominating the convention? 100% Here’s a good example of why:

    The Federal government gave Cleveland a $50 m security grant to prepare for the convention. With this money, the city plans to field 4-5,000 officers drawn from around the state. Here’s what it they plan to equip them with:

    2,000 sets of riot-control “turtle suits’’ that include upper body and shoulder protection, shin guards, elbow and forearm protection, tactical hard-knuckle gloves, and 26-inch collapsible batons.
    16 police motorcycles, 300 patrol bicycles, 310 sets of bicycle riot control gear, and three horse trailers.
    500 interlocking steel barriers that are 6½ feet high and 2,000 shorter steel barriers.”


  100. SFC Ton says:

    I would love to see the negros and taco benders flip their shit over a Trump nomination


  101. Both women and men find beautiful women beautiful. In women it may trigger feelings of inadequacy or jealousy rather than lust (or if she’s ok with herself simply admiration) but people of both genders like feminine beauty. It’s, well, beautiful!

    Not that men aren’t worthy of gazing upon but it’s different…somehow. Play girl was never nearly as popular as Playboy, despite the 50/50 demo split. And it probably even had images of beautiful women in there, between the beefcake.

    Studies show even infants recognize and are drawn to images of beautiful women. Beyond sex women represent sustenance, nurturing, love, the supposedly unconditional love of the “perfect” mom. I suppose it’s a type of Godess worship? But I think it’s normal and natural, although can also be used manipulatively such as in ads/media.

    People stare at, enjoy staring at, young attractive women. They just do.

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  102. By “Beyond sex women represent sustenance, nurturing, love, the supposedly unconditional love of the “perfect” mom.” I mean deep in the psyche, unfortunately not as often irl.

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  103. BuenaVista says:

    Per Liz: How Trump Defeated Hill (mobs fuel Trump)


    People seem to forget that at this point in 1980, Reagan trailed Jimmy Carter by 20 points. Carter wound up conceding the election before the polls had even closed in California.

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  104. BuenaVista says:

    60-70% of women are bi- to some degree. 3-5% of men are.

    This is another area, though, where pretty lies wrap reality, and female curiosity about female-female sex is shrouded in alternative realities. For the men in the audience, there’s no reason to ask a woman where she stands on the bi-sexual continuum. (“EEEEK, no! You just want a threesome!”) Instead just ask her if she is “curious” and did she ever kiss a girl in college.

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  105. SFC Ton says:

    People stare at, enjoy staring at, young attractive women. They just do.

    Its how the world is stocked by people.

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  106. Liz says:

    “How Trump Defeated Hill (mobs fuel Trump)”

    That. Was. Awesome.
    I can see it happening too (I dare to dream).

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  107. Wow unsolicited nekid selfies? Get it together girl! That’s desperate!

    Please do report how that face to face goes! I am curious how she’ll spin it (turn up the flirting? Be mad at you? Try to make you jealous? Be vengeful? It could go so many ways….) or maybe she’ll have some self respect and just never show her face again? (Unlikely).

    The glamorous life! Gotta love the can clubs! (Not)

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  108. SFC Ton says:

    Yup BV.
    I get/ got a lot of offers of willing to be with another woman. I wouldn’t say weekly but pretty near on. if nothing else its a ploy to lock down some beta draft horse

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  109. Liz says:

    I’m convinced sexuality (just like most things regarding human psychology) has a social component. You see a lot more homosexuality in environments where it is accepted and/or even celebrated. Girl on girl is celebrated now. Man on man not so much (yet).
    Look at ancient Greece or ancient Rome or…well, I’ve heard it’s ubiquitous in the Middle East, but if you’re the pitcher it’s “not gay”.

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  110. SFC Ton says:

    its almost every drop of red pill wisdom rolled into one


  111. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    I had a funny feeling that I was getting into “pretty lie” territory.

    While Herminone may have had a magic vagina, Harry Potter had a magic wand.

    About the absence of pictures of men in those issues of Woman’s Day, I think it was deliberate to avoid reminding their readers of the existence of men.

    Grassroots Racing is hardcore. That is why there are no bikini clad models cluttering it up. It is written for racers. It even has ads for Hoosier Tires.


  112. SFC Ton says:

    The traditional reward for successes in high risk endeavors has always been some version of bikini clad hotties

    Otherwise, what’s the point?

    Sounds to me its the emasculation of the risk reward ratio

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  113. As my favorite uncle said when the Monica Lewinsky story broke, “Why else would men bother to seek power?”

    (Now one could debate if Monica was a good choice, the best he could have done, etc. but that’s another matter…)

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  114. thedeti says:

    Slightly off topic:

    The Dems are not going to run Bernie in the general. That’s just not going to happen. I know the Berniebots won’t like it, but there it is. The Dems are the party in power now; they are more popular than the Repubs in this idiocracy of a country. The dems will make the Berniebots get in line and support Queen Hill. Who the fuck else are they going to vote for? In the end, they WILL pull the lever and fill in the oval for the Hill.

    It’s her turn, by God. She waited patiently for 4 years while she was shown up by a black man who had been an obscure Illinois state senator a scant 5 years before his election to the presidency, and didn’t even serve 2 years of a 6 year US Senate term. And by God, the Dems WILL pay for that, and they’ll pay by giving her the nod. Plus, Bill wants access to all that prime DC poon again.

    Bernie is a nut even by Dem standards. He’s more popular than Hillary; he’s even more liked and likable. But he’s still a nut. Even the Dems know the $$ isn’t there to pay for Bernie’s pipe dreams of single payer health care and free college for all. Even the Dems know you can’t increase the federal tax burden any more than has already been done.

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  115. thedeti says:

    Not 4 years – EIGHT years.

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  116. Liz says:

    You’re very right, Deti. But I can’t “like” it though it’s true.

    That college friend who visited recently flew Lewinsky around, and told me one of the pilots he flew with was pumping her. This was before the scandal came to light so she must not’ve been so in love with Bill as she now claims in her Ted Talk shpeal.
    Funny thing…when it all came out they actually had a team of journalists out there interviewing pilots for something unrelated. This was right when the whole “scandal” came out. So all he had to do was work “I pumped Lewinsky” into his interview and he could’ve been one of the most famous people on the planet (at least, for a brief time). He didn’t of course.

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  117. Liz says:

    I should add before that, they made fun of him for boning “the fat girl”. He was the only one who would touch her.

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  118. Liz says:

    I am evil, but I speak the truth.

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  119. SFC Ton says:

    I promise you in the Ton was ever POTUS we’d have much better sex scandals then slick willy with much hotter girls

    What’s the point of being president if you are going to bang the fat, dumpy and ugly chicks? Any above average dude can pull that kind of ass

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  120. BuenaVista says:

    It’s not desperate, Bloom, and not a practice of desperate women. It’s how women communicate their desire, among other things. In the last year I’ve received them from

    a. nuclear facility security engineering officer
    b. a surgeon/mba/hospital board member
    c. a married restaurant owner/yoga shop operator
    d. a USA diplomat/CIA (probably) operative
    e. an mba/ph.d management consultant
    f. a 22 year-old college senior
    g. a corporate SVP
    h. another corporate SVP

    I’m sure there were others but whatever. These are not “desperate” women, they’re alpha females.

    This is mainstream behavior. Men didn’t invent this behavior, and men don’t sponsor or “manipulate” it. A priori, then, unless one asserts that we today already inhabit Hell (a reasonable assumption, perhaps) this is not “desperate.” Tumblr and Instagram exist for a reason: women like those platforms and what they contain. It doesn’t matter that NAWALT, or that so-and-so would never do that, or that the same women would never admit to doing it.

    What’s funny is that the OP is about female exhibitionism, how it delivers status and “empowerment” to women, generating millions of admirers. And a day later we’re learning that Eve was a manipulated victim and only “desperate” women practice mainstream, Kardashian “empowerment.” I’m all for Team Woman, Team Woman has been berry, berry good, to me. I’m curious why it’s so meaningful to deny reality, however.

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  121. OKRickety says:

    Just like most food is better with bacon, isn’t almost everything better with girls in bikinis? 🙂

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  122. OKRickety says:

    The claim is that babies (of mammals anyway) are cute so that the father is less likely to kill them. Perhaps women being attractive is some form of evolutionary protection?

    I don’t really believe that. I think God made women attractive for a reason, and I like it that way.


  123. BuenaVista says:

    The woman I should have married gave a fundraiser for Clinton on Martha’s Vineyard in 1996. She was still married to a famously volatile, vitriolic movie honcho. During the dinner, she excused herself and went upstairs. When she exited the master bath, Clinton was standing in her bedroom saying, “Well????”


    Deti, I haven’t seen any pundits discuss this or even seem to grasp it. (Perhaps I’m wrong and there’s nothing to grasp.) But nearly 100% of mainstream media types see their job as getting HIllary elected. Hillary is so insulated by this protective media bubble, as well as the bubble (financial, social, and demographic) she has created for herself, that I don’t think either she or her media friends understand *that Trump is not going to play by the rules.” I really don’t think she will have any idea what to do when he starts focusing on her actual resume and behavior. I suppose they’ll double down on “you’re such a sexist pig” but we’re a little late in history for that card, and besides, you want a sexist pig? His name is Bill.

    The rules that the DC political and media clerisy follow are that blue pill behavior will pedestalize Hillary, never challenge her public lies, evasions, and deceits; will never ask, “What the fuck has this woman ever accomplished, besides getting people killed?”, and will never say something as simple as “Do you really want to listen to this shrieking, adenoidal scold for the next 8 years?” Republicans, according to the rules, must honor Team Woman and lose gracefully. Jeb would have been perfect.

    I’m confident Cruz would refuse to compete with her, that Kasich would refuse to compete with her. Sanders already has by refusing to call attention to her obvious failures and felonies. The Trumpster will no doubt go too far in his smack talk but … people will cheer.


    One correction, Deti: self-identified Democrats have fallen way off recently and are not at parity with the R’s.

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  124. BuenaVista says:

    “… are NOW at parity”

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  125. SFC Ton says:

    I think with the “alpha” females the bi thing is a demonstration about how the rules don’t apply to them as high status women

    I reckon most boils down to the woman. Many will play the bi card to give them an advantage in the SMP; some for extra attention and free drinks; some to lock down a fairly alpha draft horse; others because they can but in all cases when its offered its about their perception of the man/ his value

    Personally I think its a natural response to several factors. Sexual competition among women and how men respond to men they view as high value

    The tricky part is why they view any particular man high value

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  126. SFC Ton says:

    The claim is that babies (of mammals anyway) are cute so that the father is less likely to kill them. Perhaps women being attractive is some form of evolutionary protection?

    I don’t really believe that. I think God made women attractive for a reason, and I like it that way

    distinction without a difference to my reckoning


  127. Spawny Get says:

    Truth Kitten (with Froggy helmet) meet Jake the Truth Snake

    from 16:53ish and 24:05ish

    Although the whole episode is epic. The other storyline is about a threesome.


  128. To clarify, I don’t think sending nemisis selfies when appropriate is desperate, but when it is unsolicited and to someone who does not want to receive them from that woman in particular, it’s desperate. For me to send unsolicited nemisis selfies to male professional colleagues, would IMHO be desperate. To send them to a love interest who would welcome them, totally different story although I was raised “no pictures” so in my case it has not happened, not that it couldn’t….

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  129. BuenaVista says:

    Regarding the current fad of women stripping and publicizing their nudity, emulated by those poor huddled masses (i.e., the rest of us):

    I blame global warming.


  130. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    You’re not ebul. Your pilot friend was correct to keep his mouth shut. Girls may talk, gentlemen don’t. I did see a recent picture of her and she has lost the fat, at least in her face. I still maintain that she is the the only woman who has been set back for her poor behavior that I am aware of. Every other woman has been lionized.

    Come to think of it, she should have stayed true to the pilot and everyone would have been better off. *silly face*

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  131. If one does send nekid selfies to a willing recipient, for Goodness sake at least make sure they are appealing not appalling, as well! 🙂

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  132. Spawny Get says:

    “Sounds to me its the emasculation of the risk reward ratio”

    Women want the rewards without taking any risks. They hate (and love) the male instinct to go for it.

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  133. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    My mother told me to never put anything in a letter that I wouldn’t mind being read aloud in court. Her father was a judge.
    Could you have gotten the same advice?

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  134. Spawny Get says:

    “The claim is that babies (of mammals anyway) are cute so that the father is less likely to kill them. Perhaps women being attractive is some form of evolutionary protection?”

    The last I heard, the female of some bird species are drab in order not to get raped by the beastly boy birds. Look at my magnificent cock and three hens for example

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  135. What Monica did that others who have survived worse cases of being caught in the sluttery act is she expressed guilt and shame. I personally think it’s the natural female response to being caught, but in the past decade that seems to have shifted to brazen and unapologetic “empowerment.” After all, everyone’s doing it!

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  136. Women no longer being ashamed or embarrassed by being sluts is a big part of the problem, btw, although I am sure on an individual level it is appreciated by those taking a poolside approach.

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  137. Spawny Get says:

    Speaking of your local leftoid barnpot Bernie, over here our local equivalent Jeremy Corbyn’s Labour party is exploding itself over very well founded accusations of anti-semiticism. Days before elections across the country.

    Some of us a rather concerned that the party will implode too soon. We want this intellectually crippled, devoid of morals, blind to the truth party to limp on until the next General Election when hopefully some Trump-like person will sweep the tory-in-name-only scumbags out along with the commie-scum.

    How can we know that Corbyn is not a friend of semites? Smoking gun…

    After Jeremy Corbyn refused to withdraw his comments describing Hamas as “friends“, the terror group have praised the Labour leader for deciding to maintain ties. Hamas spokesman Taher A-Nunu said:

    “We welcome the declaration of the Labor chairman and see his engagement as a very important statement that is also a painful hit that the Zionist enemy received. Hamas is not and will not be considered a terrorist group and our struggle is reduced to the borders of occupied Palestine. [This is a] Zionist campaign to define Labor party leaders as anti-Semitic… a desperate move that reflects the weakness and confusion of the Zionist entity.”
    36 hours until the polls open and Labour have just been endorsed by terrorists…

    It’s the fact that these scum are anti-white that actually pisses me off. I’m not interested in a victim-a-thon between other groups.

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  138. thedeti says:

    I would say my experience and that which I’ve heard of mirrors BV’s experience with women showing …. interest in men. Though I’ve not received naked selfies. I have, though, had women express overt interest in me, openly flirt with me, and pursue me though they know I’m married and not available for that sort of thing. Truthfully, it’s not “alpha females” who do this around here. It’s lonely divorced women with children and unhappily married women who claim their husbands won’t have sex with them. These aren’t unattractive women either.

    Around my neck of the woods, divorced women with children are a dime a dozen. I’ve read reports around the sphere that men are cleaning up sexually with these women — they’re very easy to get into bed. Though, they all have issues and baggage, and I wouldn’t relationship up these women ever, even if I could.

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  139. thedeti says:


    Hillary’s negatives are high and have been consistently high since she’s been in national public life, and she’s been there for more than 20 years.

    For the nonpolitical types, “negatives” means how many people have a negative view of the person overall. Hillary’s are quite high, and nothing she’s done ever seems to make a dent in them.

    Hillary isn’t a good campaigner. She has a raspy voice, an offputting personality, and she just plain comes off as unlikeable. She is not personable, warm or engaging. She just thinks that the party should simply give her the nomination without her having to work for it. (as bad a campaigner as she is, she used to be MUCH worse.)

    She obviously dislikes stumping, shaking hands, kissing babies and engaging people. She doesn’t like rubbing shoulders with the hoi polloi. She considers herself far, far above the average Dem voter. She is, for lack of a better phrase, a stuck up snobby bitch who thinks she’s too good for the unwashed masses who will end up voting for her. She thinks she is entitled to their votes.

    And she will get them. Who else is Joe Lunchpail from Flint or Jack Welder from Ottumwa going to vote for?

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  140. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Spawny Get,
    Only a bird brained feminist would promote such an evolutionary theory.
    I did see a documentary about finding a new type of human somewhere in Siberia and a female anthropologist threw out that for every two hundred instances of sex, one was likely to be rape in caveman times.
    Those wacky feminists just want your hens to get all nervous.

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  141. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    You have a point. They’re being brazen about it is a concern. It’s not something to be proud of and it gives young women wrong ideas.

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  142. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Spawny Get,
    Doesn’t Britain have problems enough? Why does anyone need to veture an opinion on a matter they can’t affect? Would that qualify as being politically stupid?


  143. Liz says:

    “What Monica did that others who have survived worse cases of being caught in the sluttery act is she expressed guilt and shame.”

    I don’t recall that, Bloom.
    I only recall her not being in the headlines (I’m not so sure it was shame as much as her name became a punchline). It worked out well for Bill (suspiciously) since the “scandal” took everyone’s attention away from other much more important issues related to Clinton.

    She recently capitalized on this, so she sure doesn’t feel shame now. Her Ted talk is about “living in a shame society” and how she is a “survivor” because goodness gracious why should the fact that you kept the married president’s jizz on your blue dress be any cause for shame.


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  144. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    They are hitting on you, knowing that you are married? While that can be chalked up to preselection, they should never have frivorced their husbands.

    I don’t think that Joe Lunchpail can bring himself to vote for Hillary. She is that unlikable. Even “yellow dog” Democrats are going to look foa an alternate.


  145. BuenaVista says:

    I think 20% of HIllary’s Joe Lunchpail voters will cross the aisle. They already have in places like Pennsylvania and Michigan. White male blue collar voters have none of their self-interest represented by the Dem Party; plus she reminds them of an amalgam of Nurse Ratchet, Lena Dunham, and their former mothers-in-law.

    I think the millenials will go back to their SnapChat and Tumblr accounts once Bernie is put to sleep; there goes another 20%. So I think it’s Trump’s to lose.

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  146. BuenaVista says:

    “You have a point. They’re being brazen about it is a concern. It’s not something to be proud of and it gives young women wrong ideas.”

    Somebody should start a petition: Make Women Stop Reflecting Reality, Openly.


  147. Yoda says:

    You didn’t?

    Show Andrea’s picture I did not


  148. Yoda says:

    Shy Trumpies? The NYT’s Nate Cohn notes Trump has outperformed his polls in the last handful of states. Cohn speculates this shows “a significant shift in Mr. Trump’s favor over the last month.” What about something else … something that was talked about (somewhat pissily) in December but seems to have been forgotten — though it was raised in the past few days by Michael Walsh and alert kf reader M.S.. Don’t want to say its name. ..

    P.S.: I know the “Bradley Effect” is the conceptual last resort of likely losers — i.e., those behind in polls. But here are the last six primary states, with the percentage Trump got in excess of his final RCP poll average:

    New York +7 (Polls–53% Actual–60%)

    Connecticut +5 (Polls–54% Actual 59%)

    Delaware + 8 (Polls–55% Actual–63%) **

    Maryland +9 (Polls–47.7% Actual–56.5%)

    Pennsylvania +10 (Polls–48% Actual–58%)

    Rhode Island +12 (Polls–52.3% Actual-64.7%)



  149. thedeti says:


    It doesn’t happen often, but it happens. I suppose part of it’s preselection, and yes, they should have done more to stay with their husbands.

    The dems already have locked up about 40% of the vote. Those are hardcore liberals and radicals, and hardcore lifelong Dems. These are people who will never vote GOP, never ever, no matter what happens. I’d say there are roughly 30% of people who will always vote GOP – conservatives, reactionaries, disgruntled and disaffected liberals who think the Dems have gone nuts or are drunk on power, and small-government libertarians. Elections are won and lost in the middle 20%, or even the middle 10%.

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  150. Yoda says:

    Okay, this is something I’ve been wanting to talk about — reliance on “unfavorables.” It seems to me, we’re going to end up with 2 major-party candidates that most people don’t like. The election is going to be decided by the people who are going to be stuck voting for one of 2 people neither of whom they like. The question isn’t who has higher unfavorability, but which one is more capable of getting a vote from a person who is disgusted by both of them. As Sullivan’s paragraph suggests, one is exciting, risky, and entertaining. The other is dreary, predictable, and medicinal.


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  151. BuenaVista says:

    Impressive table, Yoda.

    But Kaus is wrong: Trump benefits from the reverse-Bradley effect. That is, people DENY they are voting for him and then do so in private. The Bradley Effect is people stating they WILL vote for a person, then secretly reversing themselves. This is because Bradley was a black candidate and voicing opposition was perceived as ray-zisssst. People deny they’re voting for Trump (afraid of public rebuke) but keep doing so in private.


  152. thedeti says:

    I agree with Liz. Monica never expressed shame or guilt at what she’d done. She never expressed shame or guilt at having had an affair with a married man. Lewinsky never seemed ashamed or guilty when she degraded herself by allowing the leader of the free world to basically masturbate into her mouth and onto her clothes, and by using her as a humidor. (Hell, she didn’t even get sex or cunny out of it.) She had the audacity to claim she was in love with Clinton; and then accused him of being caddish and insensitive because he felt badly about “being caught” and publicly disavowed her as “that woman, Miss Lewinsky”.

    She was indignant that others judged her because she, well, allowed herself to be used sexually. She remains unrepentant to this day… she appears to believe she didn’t do anything wrong; nor that she bears any responsibility for her life or her predicament.

    If Monica Lewinsky had stayed away from the president, she’d be a suburban housewife in NYC or LA right now with two teenage kids. The biggest controversy she’d have in her life would be the color of napkins to select for the Junior League banquet.

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  153. BuenaVista says:

    “They are hitting on you, knowing that you are married? While that can be chalked up to preselection, they should never have frivorced their husbands.”

    Another Petition for a Nicer America Now! opportunity.

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  154. SFC Ton says:

    women send nekkid photos because they enjoy sex, feeling horny and desired

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  155. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    About the naked selfies, competition for what are percieved to be alphas must high. Given the 80/20 rule, about four times as high as when assortive mating was the norm.


  156. Actually you guys are right, Monica may regret being caught but not her actions. She was a bimbo. Ruined her own life.

    As for women acting openly wo shame, well it’s kinda got to be one way or the other. Patriarchy and the old ways set up roadblocks and consequences for such actions. While that had its drawbacks, seems it worked better than “if it feels good, do it! It’s natural!”

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  157. I wish Han Solos “hierarchy of the herd” article was still online, it explained the order quite well. The alphas set the rules of the game. The alpha chicks respond. The beta chicks try to copy the alpha chicks, hoping for the occasional alpha shag or trying to move up the ranks, the beta males chase the beta female pack hoping to score, and so on.

    When Madonna was at her height, her fans were not top quality tail, but the fat, b-grade, undesirable wanna be gals for the most part. Miley Cyrus (freak of nature that she is) I suspect has the same following now.

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  158. Caroline Kennedy was rumored to be quite naughty (her friends cleaned up the apt. After the crash), in public she was every bit the lady. Amal Clooney, Princess Kate, etc. likely all the same but not openly. Angelina Jolie may be the only example I can think of who flies her freak flag and even her less so since Brad.


  159. Liz says:

    Well, I am all for shaming shameful actions.
    In the short term that might be putting lipstick on a pig, but in the long term you get a lot less pigs.

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  160. Liz says:

    My apologies to actual pigs.

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  161. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    I used to bring lots of veggie treats to a feed store that had kind of a petting zoo. While they were all happy to see me, the pigs could express their happiness the best. As dogs wag their tails back and forth, pigs make their’s go in circles.
    That’s happy!

    I don’t think that shaming is going to work. They’ll need to hit the brick wall of realizing that they can’t change lanes and marry up for beta bucks.
    Betas are getting wise.

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  162. Fuzzie it will change when the apex alpha say so…. When they shame sluttery. Until then there is no incentive for women not to try to out slut each other. Except maybe self respect or belief in morality. Non-sluts are not all that popular w the boys anymore…it’s a race to the bottom.

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  163. Liz says:

    Shaming has always worked, Fuzzie.
    It’s the second best way or disincentivizing bad behavior. We’re seeing the behavior we are exactly because such behavior is now celebrated rather than ridiculed.

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  164. Liz says:

    I don’t think alphas have to shame skanks, Bloom.
    I don’t remember any time men shamed women for promiscuity of wearing something inappropriate. They might not date them, they usually don’t marry them, but they don’t typically shame them.
    I think that’s on women (and fathers…but the women are excluding them too).

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  165. I have many times been dumped for not jumping in the sack by date #X.I am ok w it. They would have dumped me anyway, is how I saw that. No loss. I’m looking for the real deal, not multiple pump and dumps. I figure I am sparing myself the heartaches, even if I am passing up supposed “good times.” Guess I am not very empowered, or something?

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  166. True Liz, perhaps more dads shaming daughter’s inappropriate attire and coquettery is the answer. As well as moms backing that up, and also not being a bad example themselves.

    Or building a tower, surrounded by a moat, protected by dragons… (Old joke!)

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  167. Of course dads shaming daughters is so highly discouraged anymore to the point of being alleged abuse, who dares to crush their special snowflake’s blossoming sexuality?

    Gah. The rabbit hole goes deep. I have work to do so luckily you are all now spared my nonsensical rantings! 🙂

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  168. Spawny Get says:

    Every vote counts folks

    This month there are two entitlement princesses to choose from. The first was submitted by Anon and she is Meghann Foye, a woman who is demanding that companies give her (and other childless women) maternity leave. Foye calls this “meternity” leave. This sounds like something that would not be woman specific, but as you would expect she is already trying to weasel her way to making “meternity” women only. In other words, not only is it a demand on employers, but also male coworkers since men would have to do extra work to cover her (additional) lack of work.

    The second was submitted by email and is a Swedish woman who tried to have a man arrested for (allegedly) farting. In Sweden, What happened was that the Swedish woman refuses to have sex with a man she met. He (allegedly) farts immediately after that and leaves. The woman calls the police to try to get him arrested because the fart disturbed her “peace of mind”. Fortunately, the police said no crime was committed and did not arrest the man.

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  169. Liz says:

    “Of course dads shaming daughters is so highly discouraged anymore to the point of being alleged abuse, who dares to crush their special snowflake’s blossoming sexuality?”

    Yes. And not only fathers. Imagine any guy trying to call a skank a skank now. He’s an ipso facto hater, fag, RAPIST!!!

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  170. BuenaVista says:

    They stopped calling you because you weren’t into them, Bloom. That’s different than being victimized for not putting out.


  171. Liz says:

    Here is a guy who had the temerity to ask a skank if she had ever heard the term skank, quite politely actually:

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  172. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    No dragons!!! You know they barbeque and eat virgins.

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  173. Bv they actually told me as much, so I don’t think it was bc I wasn’t into them but… Ok.

    And I am not claiming I was victimized. I made a concious choice and I was OK w the outcone, still am.

    Speaking of Carolyn (not Caroline)
    Even JFK Jr. Apparently was not immune?

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  174. The first time it happened I was 14 and he was 17. I found out later he had gotten another gal preggo during the same time period when I was saying “no.” So yeah, no regrets…

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  175. P.s we made out for hours in his pristine orange ’69 Camero, pretty sure he knew I was into him! He said a few years later when we crossed paths at a mutual friend’s get together that he regretted not waiting tho! So there ya go!

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  176. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    We can’t go back and change it.
    You reminded me of a double date to a drive in theater. It would have been fine but, we were in the back of a 911. A Volkswagen Bug would have been spacious by comparison.

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  177. And p.s. I should not have been necking for hours w a boy 3 years older when I was 14. I should have been home studying!

    My mom self knows better. unsupervised time is not good. Tower. Moat. If not dragons, a big scary guard at the gate!

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  178. SFC Ton says:

    Fuzzie it will change when the apex alpha say so

    have you been free basing blue pills?


  179. What do you mean Ton? (Truly I ask in good faith!)

    Look you guys, I know I probably so far from get it, but can you at least give me points for effort? (Oh yeah, no that’s “girl scoring.”)

    Anyway, instead of working I wrote a new post. May it rebuild my karma points! https://notesfromaredpillgirl.com/2016/05/03/feelings-are-not-reality/

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  180. Actually I dod do my “must do” work before writing that, I am semi self disciplined! Ha.

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  181. thedeti says:

    Fuzzie, the women who openly flirted with me and pursued me were lonely divorced women with kids and women who say their husbands won’t have sex with them.

    You can say these women shouldn’t have frivorced their husbands, or whatever.

    These women flirted/pursued me because they are lonely, they wanted attention and validation, they wanted to feel desired and loved, and they wanted affirmation that they still can get attention from men. In other words, they want to feel like young women again. They want to experience the feeling of sexual power again. They want to remember what it was like just to show up somewhere and have men falling all over themselves for a chance to get with them.

    Women crave male attention. They absolutely love it. Hence women of a certain age heading back to the carousel for one last glory ride. Hence women playing the facebook video game, posting pics and scoring “likes” and “Loves” and comments like “you look good!” and “Beautiful!” from beta orbiters.

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  182. Spawny Get says:

    Update on Labour Party’s anti-semitic catastrophuck, which is tearing the party apart. Hamas have now distanced themselves from Jeremy Abu-Jezza Corbyn. It seems that even they have standards.

    The Tories are now ripping themselves apart over BREXIT. And are now facing legal interest in their breaking financial limits on campaign costs at the last General Election. Including Nigel Farage’s intended seat. Could be imprisonment and election re-runs…Dodgy Dave’s wafer thin majority at risk?

    Lib Dumbs are still dead. Piss be upon them.

    UKIP is at 20% (up from the GE) last I saw.

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  183. thedeti says:


    Off topic. TLDR: White knight witnesses public domestic dispute involving man brandishing and firing weapon. WK retrieves his own firearm and attempts to stop the dispute in progress; orders fleeing man to stop. Man gets head shot on WK and kills him.

    Lesson 1: Do not white knight for women involved in domestic disputes, even when said dispute involves the discharge of firearms and you yourself have a firearm.

    Lesson 2: If you are confronting an armed person who is acting as aggressor and firing on others, you shoot to kill first. If you have a firearm and you intend to use it to stop another armed person, it is game on. Do not warn, do not issue verbal orders. Have your firearm drawn, and you shoot to kill.

    Lesson 3: If the aggressor is no longer an aggressor and is retreating, do not issue orders to stop even if you are armed and prepared to confront. Let the person retreat and do not reengage.

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  184. Liz says:

    “What do you mean Ton? (Truly I ask in good faith!)”

    Bloom, imagine for a moment that a group of spandex-wearing women orbit around a top tier man. Now, try to envision him telling them their outfits and attitude make him uncomfortable. Is he a top tier guy any longer?

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  185. BuenaVista says:

    Sweetheart. Men who felt a spiritual, intellectual, emotional and physical bond with you “dumped” you because you didn’t put out? I guess men are just lower order creatures who think with their dicks. For more information, see The Atlantic Magazine.

    No woman who is into a guy, and who expresses it, will lose him by being reserved. This assumes that we’re talking about men with a Hare score below 30.

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  186. Spawny Get says:

    But there’s more good great shit from Milo

    The Dean of Students at Mount Holyoke College met with Dillon about the complaint and informed her that the college would “not be pursuing judicial action” because the school’s “disciplinary process does not provide for the adjudication of complaints of this nature, made by non-students for events taking place off campus.”

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  187. Spawny Get says:

    The US armed force’s hero who prevented a terrorist attack on a European train later got himself stabbed while intervening in a US lover’s tiff.

    Don’t stick your nose in

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  188. thedeti says:

    Do not white knight for women involved in domestic disputes, period, even if you are armed with superior firepower and skill. It’s not worth it.

    The man who capped the white knight in that MSN story will likely be going to prison. That’s a likely murder 2 or manslaughter 1 bit. But at least he’s still alive. The white knight didn’t have to get involved AT ALL, and he’s dead — even though he was armed.

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  189. SFC Ton says:

    a guy in high school dumped you because you didn’t put out?

    thats front page news right there

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  190. Dragonfly says:

    “My mom self knows better. unsupervised time is not good.”

    😀 mom selves know a lot of things better now ❤


  191. Dragonfly says:

    lol “victimized for not putting out” !!!!???!!!!


  192. Dragonfly says:

    that heart was black… and now its red.



  193. Dragonfly says:

    ” They would have dumped me anyway, is how I saw that. No loss. I’m looking for the real deal, not multiple pump and dumps. ”

    That makes sense, Bloom… that’s what girls do in their teens and early twenties if they’re serious about finding someone decent who actually loves them.

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  194. Ame says:

    BuenaVista says:
    3 May, 2016 at 12:28 pm

    “Eve wasn’t manipulated. Eve just broke the law.”


    if i understand Fuzzie correctly, he was trying to understand why women ‘break the law.’ yes, Eve broke the law. what led her to do that? caused her to do that? she chose to allow herself to be manipulated. when women are manipulated, it’s not the fault of the manipulator, but their own fault for choosing to allow someone to manipulate them. like it says in James 1:14 “But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed. 15 Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, brings forth death.” Even was tempted. Eve chose to be drawn away by her own desires and enticed. Eve chose to allow that to give birth to sin. Eve chose to eat the forbidden fruit.

    Eve’s choice is not the serpent’s fault. Eve’s choice is not Adam’s fault. Eve’s choice is all Eve’s fault. her choice; her fault.

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  195. Ame says:

    SFC Ton says:
    3 May, 2016 at 12:57 pm
    “There is this over 40’s lady I have to deal with professionally

    Last night she empowered the shit out of herself and sent all manner of photos. The girls and I agreed she should have kept her clothes on. I never responded.

    Wonder what our next face to face will be like?”


    i must be … idk. i cannot imagine ever doing this! idk if i’d call her “empowered’ … but she certainly is something, and i’m quite sure whatever she is is not quite what she thinks she is.

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  196. BuenaVista says:

    Poor Eve. She “chose to be manipulated.” She didn’t mean to, oops, it just happened. Everybody, don’t by judgy and shit.

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  197. Spawny Get says:

    I’m not a believer, but the more I’ve watched people and heard of bits of the bible, the more I think that the bible nails human nature. That it describes how a community can be successful. A community that might chafe somewhat, but much healthier than one that celebrates the empowerment of Smiley Virus’ cavorting around in the near nud, twerking.

    I’m sure that I’ve read somewhere in the manosphere of how schools have to constantly battle to keep girls’ imperative to slut up their clothes, makeup and behaviour in order to maximise male attention. Can’t remember where though.

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  198. Ame says:

    BuenaVista says:
    4 May, 2016 at 1:05 am
    Poor Eve. She “chose to be manipulated.” She didn’t mean to, oops, it just happened. Everybody, don’t by judgy and shit.

    “Poor Eve?”


    i’d say stupid, arrogant, selfish … but certainly not ‘poor baby, sweet thing, didn’t know what she was doing.” she knew exactly what she was doing. she has no excuse and should not be pitied.

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  199. Ame says:

    Spawny – yep, it does. you can download just about any version for free if interested. the book of proverbs, especially, nails women.

    that women have taken the bible and manipulated it for their own gain is something they’re gonna be very sorry for when they meet their Maker someday, imho.

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  200. Liz says:

    Cruz just dropped out of the race.

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  201. SFC Ton says:

    BV was being sarcastic about the poor eve comment

    Liked by 1 person

  202. Ame says:

    Thank you, Ton.

    I’m sorry, BV. I misinterpreted. My bad.


  203. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    I have to wonder what kind of decorations the citizens of Northfield MN got for defending their town from the James-Younger gang?
    Warning: This is one of the most graphicially violent scenes put on film.

    After the North Hollywood shootout in 1995, there had to be more police on the scene and there were only two bad guys.
    It seems like we have regressed.


  204. Dragonfly says:

    Does anyone know how Tarn is doing?

    And Spawny, I know I sound crazy… but is there something weird going on whenever I do the heart symbol? Am I the only one who sees black on my computer for awhile, and then after a couple of minutes… the heart turns red. Is this normal? Is my computer colorblind? Am I losing my mind? Is it just a glitch in the programming of the ❤ symbol itself in wordpress now? Anyway, I know it doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things… but was just wondering.

    I saw your comment about the Bible and it being full of wisdom for society in general, its been amazing really researching just Proverbs 31:10-31 on God's desire for women to be virtuous. It benefits everyone that comes into her life in such a beautiful and astounding way… its been so fun and fascinating trying to write a series discussing each verse! Anyway, just wanted to encourage you to read more of the Bible, especially the gospels about Jesus and His life. They are so touching when you get a real picture of who He was.

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  205. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Since wordpress retired the burrito emoticons, it has been hard on me. Liz misses be able to do a good “silly face” emoticon. I wish that they hadn’t revised the emoticons.

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  206. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    About Tarn, she may be giving her sweetie lots of moral support. He got laid off. Looking for work is harder that actually working.

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  207. The other night I got involved in a domestic dispute but didnt think about how stupid it probably was until after. My neighbor girl, 16, lives w her brother and grandpa as a foster kid bc her mom is a royal mess. Gpa is not much better. When gma died about two years back, the girl went from little miss perfect to scowling, black dyed hair, dropout. Boys over all the time. Lately there’s been screaming matches and fist cuffs in the street, police on multiple occasions. Two nights ago I hear her screaming as I was putting the kids to bed so I went out to see. I find her ranting in the street w an empty can, they boy had flex. I physically restrain her to try and calm her down. Boy returns to try and get his car. She breaks free and starts punching him in the face (he’s in the driver seat) while screaming, “dont leave me you asshole” etc. I pull her off, put her in a headlock, and walk her ass home, lecturing her the whole way that she’s got to get it together and quit making a fool of herself. She tries to give me the “hard life” reasoning, I tell her so what, no excuse, it’s her choice to make a life for herself now, rise above, be better than that. I deposited her at home and she ran inside just as the police show up. After it was done I realized it was stupid to intervene and I could have gotten hurt or worse, but the momma bear in me just kicked in. I hope she thinks over what I said. What a mess. I plan to check in on her wi the next few days, continue the conversation. Blech. Sad.

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  208. P.s. she was so spun up she actually seemed to appreciate the physical restraint and someone telling her to knock it off so she could get a hold of herself. What a hot mess.

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  209. Ame says:

    Bloom –

    sometimes when we step in like that, it turns out to be a turning point in their lives (though that drop after the adrenaline wears off can be harsh – esp when faced with what could have happened).

    i hope it does some good for her, too. i’m sure you made an impression of both her and that boy – one they will each probably never forget.

    teenagers sometimes need a sharp slap in the face and someone to stand up and tell them the truth – stop being such a jerk … you’re screwing up your life … take responsibility. good for you for doing that. she needed to hear it. our brains are not fully developed till our 20’s, but teenagers think they know enough while deep inside knowing they really don’t.

    not exactly the same, but my aspie girl used to have frequent meltdowns where she needed to be physically restrained. when it was over she would often thank me b/c she knew somewhere in her mis-firing brain that she needed the help. i made her feel safe and loved and gave her hope. the physical restraint does something positive to their brain.

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  210. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Hint taken. Time for a Mama bear video.

    How did that bear get in to that situation?
    You did good with your neighbor. One point to press: things ar very much out of control when police get involved. Moral: stay in control.

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  211. Spawny Get says:

    Dragonfly, I get the same effect. I can’t see how it isn’t deliberate. Some very simple kind of animated gif?


  212. Liz says:

    “she was so spun up she actually seemed to appreciate the physical restraint and someone telling her to knock it off so she could get a hold of herself. What a hot mess.”

    I’m sure she did. Well done, Bloom!
    But I’m glad you didn’t get hurt. Good Lord. 😦

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  213. Sumo says:

    I’ve mentioned elsewhere on this blog that I will not get involved in any disputes between strangers, ever again.

    I’ll scorch the earth to protect me and mine, but I no longer give a fuck about folks I don’t know. Spent far too many years trying to “save the world”, and all I got in return was betrayal. Ain’t gonna happen again. If one decides to intervene in the affairs of others (yes, Bloomer, as much as The Mighty Sumo likes you, this applies to you, too), then that one is a moron, and deserves whatever follows.

    Mind yer business, look out for yer own, and toast marshmallows if the world burns. To do anything else is insane.

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  214. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Would you pick up a rifle if the James-Younger gang came to town? Let’s face it, no modern police department could handle them.
    Scroll up for for video of how Northfild MN handled it in 1876.


  215. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    To give you a little incentive, they could have taken the bank down. In turn, taking down the community. There was no Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation. Then, there was the Panic of 1876 and unemployment jumped to twenty percent.


  216. SFC Ton says:

    I’m Southern. I’d help James


  217. SFC Ton says:

    Like I said, its $850 a day and up to defend strangers

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  218. SFC Ton says:

    1876 is not 2015. You had communities worthy of defending back then


  219. Liz says:

    BV, remember that time someone asked why women look at men’s shoes?
    I didn’t want to mention it at the time, but….I’m pretty sure I know why.

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  220. Yeah Sumo, good point! I did what needed done at the time but to bring that into my life any further is nuts. I’ve got enough going on. I do hope she gets it together. But I don’t see in her current environment how she will. Sad.

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  221. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Quantrill’s Raiders were a bad bunch. To add to that, early in his career, Jesse shot an unarmed bank clerk for looking like the guy who shot Bloody Bill Anderson durung the war.


  222. BuenaVista says:

    Interesting. I was offered a foot massage the other day. I thought it was a bit of a non sequitor, but perhaps I was ignoring the metadata.

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  223. SFC Ton says:

    Every read what was done to their families 1st?


  224. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    That story about the bank clerk tore it. That was uncalled for and John Dillinger would agree.
    I did hear that they were poorly treated by “Yankee” banks in Missouri. That is what started them on robbery.


  225. Dragonfly says:

    So I saw last night that y’all were talking about women and liking to look at beautiful women…. um… I don’t think that applies anymore for a lot of women generally x and gen y. Remember that Protein World poster last year with the really hot and beautiful girl on it that caused worldwide feminist breakdown? Women everywhere mostly generate y went nuts over her having a good bikini body. They tore down the ads Protein World tried to get them for destroying property. … just some really nutty behavior all because they hated her beauty and being fit and being held up as an ideal.

    I was just telling my husband this morning about a university that had to apologize for a cheerleader poster that severely offended the students. There were so many complaints about how it was trying 2 direct girls that wanted to tryout giving them instructions for how to do their hair makeup, being fit, what to wear etc. I saw some of the complaints. .. they were angry that she was white, blonde, and pretty.

    So… I know it’s normal to think that women naturally love to look at beautiful women… but I think that is changing. From what I’ve seen there are many women (not overweight either) who actually hate seeing that because it’s become a beauty standard.

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  226. SFC Ton says:

    some had families hacked to death in Bloody Kansas. Others burned to death. Or farms burned and left to starve. Elderly relatives who died in prison

    You cannot do that shit and not pay a price


  227. Dragonfly says:

    I seriously can’t imagine women doing that even a decade ago.

    Women are backlashing against seeing classically beautiful models… demanding heavier ones or more ethnically diverse ones. The hatred for the cheerleading poster really disturbed me. I mean they really hated that she was white and blonde. Hmmm

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  228. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    I think the atrocities in Kansas went both ways equally. It was bad. That is where John Brown got his start.


  229. Cill says:

    Liz BV, remember that time someone asked why women look at men’s shoes?
    I didn’t want to mention it at the time, but….I’m pretty sure I know why.

    I’m the one who asked the question.

    You do realize I’m 6’5″ ?

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  230. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Those two instances that you mentioned, Protein World and the cheerleader poster, may help prove the point. What is different about them is that they were in full public view where men could see them. That had to be what triggered the femiist jealous rage. If they were to be found in a format only seen by women, I don’t think that there would be much complaining.
    Feminists want to find a wa to dictate to men what is beautiful or desirable. To that end, they can dream on. Part of growing up is learning that some things are beyond your control.

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  231. So am I hearing that I can send each of those teens a bill for $850 for defending them from each other and themselves??? Nice!

    Kidding. I am glad it worked out. In retrospect it was stupid to get involved but hopefully I made an impression and planted some seeds. She didnt even try to fight back against me, but I am much stronger anyway thanks to all my farm work. She felt like a frail little bird. I feel for that girl and hope she gets it together, I really do. Sad.

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  232. Farm Boy says:

    There is a new post


  233. Farm Boy says:

    I wonder how tall Moe is…

    Is he short, and does he feel inferior to Cill because of this?

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  234. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Moe is just tall enough for his feet to be firmly planted on the ground. Any taller, he would have to dig holes to plant his feet in and any shorter, he would not make contact.

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  235. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    I am glad that it went well for you. It sounds as if there could have been a thousand ways it could have gone wrong.

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  236. BuenaVista says:

    DF, you’re confusing SJW Professional Outrage with popular sentiment. SJW’s achieve status if not money by screaming about this or that, and particularly on a campus like U of Washington, achieve their goal of no-platforming (via heckler veto) people they disagree with. But they represent a tiny minority of the larger communities they bully.

    There will be 70,000 people watching UW football and its cheerleaders in the fall; if Miss Trigglypuff get’s paid to talk to the university’s Women’s Confused Gender Majors, she’ll be lucky to pull 100. Similarly, Protein World’s sales went up after the feminist SJWs went into full shriek mode.

    Target recently tried to score SJW points by announcing trans-friendly restrooms (i.e., allowing self-described trans-women to use their ladies rooms). It was an effort to virtue-signal the noble progressive retail chain. Within seven days, the company lost $2.5B of market cap.

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  237. BuenaVista says:

    On a tiny number of SJWs on the campus working to dissolve masculinity:

    “The young women forming the mostly passive, malleable mass of the safe space brigades may be as Paglia describes, but they are being manipulated by women–faculty, administrators and other students–who most certainly know what they are doing. Motivated by varying combinations of egotism, narcissism and resentment, these women are realizing their will to power, smashing their way through the termite-eaten structures of our colleges and universities, having figured out of them what Hitler figured out of the Soviet Union: just kick in the door and the whole rotten structure will come crashing down.

    “Teenage women arriving on college campuses are as impressionable as teenagers always have been, and they are being herded on arrival into safe space pens for captive bolt stunning by a relatively small coterie of disciplined, motivated adults, who train them to start Reichstag fires so that the coterie can demand additional emergency powers, in a cycle that won’t end until they have created a desert and call it social justice. Because as Nietzsche said: they would rather will nothingness than not will.

    “It is these women (and their useful male idiots) who must be disempowered in order to liberate everyone else.”


    The larger crisis is the supine nature of the majority, who quiver in the face the hurled insult from lurid caricatures such as Trigglypuff and her Women’s Studies profs.

    Obviously the same dynamic exists in society at large, and perhaps explains why no one seems to be able to understand why Trump is romping.

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  238. Liz says:

    I heard an anecdote that was pretty funny (or cringeworthy….a little of each I’d say).
    It’s kind of on topic.
    We’ve been neighbors with a fighter pilot friend with the callsign Lola (not his real callsign, or it would be a different story) for about a year, but I never knew how he got his handle. Mike told me the story this morning.

    When “Lola” was in the Marines he was an Lt dating another Lt Marine (named Lola, again not her real name). She was (allegedly) very hot and also kind of kinky and wild. She wanted to videotape most of their encounters. Then she went on a deployment and he thought it would be thoughtful to put together a mix of songs on her iPod as well as some of their “best scenes” together that she could take with her.

    Ipods were sort of new then, and she had no idea that there weren’t just songs but videos as well. She handed the ipod to a crew chief and asked him to play some songs. He scrolls through, sees the videos and proceeds to download the entire thing.

    He also had to deploy a few months later and by the time he got there, everyone in Balad had seen his video.
    That’s the first thing anyone said to him….”Wait a minute, you’re that guy…”
    They ended up being neighbors on a ship and she wouldn’t speak to him.
    She blamed him for it.

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  239. Ame says:

    Liz –
    “She blamed him for it.”

    she blamed him b/c she didn’t know how to use her technology.

    i was once asked if i thought it was wrong for a women to be angry when the guy she was dating, who was presumably separated from his wife, had sex with his wife.

    women are stupid.

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  240. BuenaVista says:

    So, Liz, you know Lola’s shoe size ….

    (You know somebody uploaded the misadventures.)

    The internet is forever. Marriage, not so much. That just about sums up the SMP, for me.

    I’ve been stunned at how unconcerned the women I know about including their faces with their racier pix.

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  241. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Well, since it is not her name.

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  242. Ame says:

    BV – there is nothing in me that can understand women doing that. however, i do remember girls all the time finding ways to be naked in public growing up in a beach community where we lived in bathing suits much of the year – long b4 we had the capability of recording anything. i guess it’s just the same thing in a different form. no sense of dignity or value of self.


  243. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    I don’t know how you live something like that down but, breaking up and blaming him couldn’t have helped. Doubling down on the relationship may have been a better course.
    *big silly face*

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  244. Ame says:

    reminds me of this one event i had totally forgotten about. on one occasion when i went to my boyfriend’s home (i really liked his family; the feeling was mutual) – i was sixteen. his mom brought out new photos they’d had taken by a professional photographer to share with me – they were photos of her and her daughter, bf’s sister, nude. i did not know how to respond to that!


  245. Dragonfly says:

    True BV, and yes, I loved seeing the support for Protein World increase financially, as well as Target’s loss of stock 😀 this is a win considering how many people (including Christians) are still going to support Target. I think it reflects the older generations however, that actually do have stock in Target or can see clearly when it comes to fitness ads.

    But in the gen y age group, so many of them are still supporting Target, Starbucks, and Barnes & Noble. A lot of my friends are still going to shop there without any guilt, and I’ve seen countless Christian bloggers and Christian magazine articles urging us to just hold our bladders and think of showing them “Jesus.” I’ve seen friends who shame the Christians who are going to boycott, because that’s “unloving,” and “ridiculous.” I’m a minority in my age-group, BV… I know very few Christian women even that are actually going to go through with boycotting Target. Most of the ones I know are gen x (35-45) and baby boomers and older. I think, at the very least, this younger generation, is different when it comes to rationalization of morals and free speech, etc. Standing for morals or even free speech is discouraged. There are way less Christians in this age-range anyway, but even the Christians aren’t standing firm.

    Most of the female Christians I know would agree that Protein World’s ad isn’t helping the female body image problems, so they would never publicly support it on their facebook because deep down, they feel uncomfortable with it. Even my best friend of 25 years that is fit and healthy herself, actually body-shamed me when I lost the baby weight “too fast.” She said I was shaming women who aren’t able to do that, that talking about it or posting about the weightloss process is inappropriate. So its inappropriate to celebrate fitness openly according to many in our generation because they’re so concerned with making people “feeeel bad about themselves.” A ton of my gen y friends sided with not liking Protein World’s poster… and they don’t self-identify (or really fall into) what the manosphere thinks of as SJWs. They were conservative Christian females that are actually very feminist in thinking.

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  246. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Since they’re Marines, this may make them feel a little better.

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  247. Cill says:

    “i did not know how to respond to that!”

    You could at least have tried to be helpful
    e.g. “What kind of bra do you use to hold up those saggy tits?”

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  248. SFC Ton says:

    Folks like Brown moved into Kansas just to kill and burn. Its on them Fuzzie. 100%


  249. SFC Ton says:

    They hate more then cheerleaders; they hate any sign of Western and White beauty, grace or higher ideals


  250. Ame says:

    Cill says:
    4 May, 2016 at 7:02 pm
    “i did not know how to respond to that!”

    You could at least have tried to be helpful
    e.g. “What kind of bra do you use to hold up those saggy tits?



    you know … i was sixteen … seeing his MOTHER’s naked body was … just … NOT something i had ANY interest in AT ALL!!! not that i would want to see it now, either 🙂

    truly a very bizarre moment!

    and his sister was younger … probably 12? it was just sooo weird.

    i mean … if mom had wanted to do that for her husband, okay. but to bring in adolescent daughter … and then show them to son’s girlfriend. just … weird.


  251. BuenaVista says:

    “no sense of dignity or value of self.”

    Well, I consider them all dignified and they are certainly all highly valued.

    Perhaps we should pass a law making it illegal for men to receive nude selfies, if a woman later regrets sending them. Much as it is illegal for men to have consensual sex under affirmative consent if the woman later decides it was icky (or he dumps her for one of her girlfriends).

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  252. Ame says:

    scientific research! lol!

    a lot can be done in the ‘name of science’ 🙂


  253. Spawny Get says:

    “Perhaps we should pass a law making it illegal for men to receive nude selfies”

    You appear to have a good grip of The Swedish Model. Where Johns are prosecuted, but hos are not breaking the law.


    If Trigglypuff is the sender, prosecuting the guy would be a clear case of victim blaming.

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  254. Cill says:

    BV at 7:05 pm

    I was thinking of the bra for the woman who is more woman than most.

    Otherwise the Olga brand might do. Ease of removal is the key.

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  255. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Spawny Get,
    Two points!

    As for making it illegal to recieve nude selfies, there would be a problem getting this past judicial review. However, there are now four states that have “Yes means Yes” laws on their books, California, New York, Hawaii, and Connecticut.

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  256. Sumo says:

    Like I said, its $850 a day and up to defend strangers

    Ok, yes – under that particular set of circumstances, I would do it.

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  257. BuenaVista says:

    Scroll down: on Amazon they’re called “Minimizers”.

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  258. Liz says:

    Tax free too Sumo! (I think?)
    I sure hope and PRAY PRAY PRAY that BV is right about Trump.
    Looks like he will be the candidate.
    Mike went into active duty under a Clinton as the C in C and it would suck if he finished up with a Clinton as the C in C.

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  259. BuenaVista says:

    There are at least three internal contradictions in this sentence: Self-described “Christians” who give witness to the Fat Liberation movement (and making the world safe for liberal fascist LBGT activists) invite mockery:

    “They were conservative Christian females that are actually very feminist in thinking.”

    There’s tremendous common cause between the anti-sex right, usually wrapping themselves in the flag of Jesus, and feminist left. Their common cause is the suppression and control of male sexuality.

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  260. “actually body-shamed me when I lost the baby weight “too fast…”

    A lot of the body shaming stuff is about women pressuring other women to join the “let yourself go” crowd. If you are attractive, you are a threat, on some primitive level. Women are both herd based yet secretly highly competitive. That’s why women tend to hang out w other women of about their own (or slightly lower) smv.

    Sadly I see even the girls in my daughter’s preschool already angling for the “prettiest” spot. It’s inborn in the female psyche, bc deep down they know (but don’t like) that it is so critical in mate selection, social rank, options, etc.

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  261. Liz says:

    I remember when the SJWs boycotted Target for making large sized clothing in Shamu black and Manatee grey.
    (just kidding about the Shamu black…it was actually just the grey but that got ’em very het up! maybe Target was trying to get the SJW crowd back?)

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  262. Dragonfly says:

    I guess I agree with you, Bloom… but you would never think a “best friend” would do that!?!?

    I mean… seriously! Don’t worry, I don’t consider her a best friend anymore… with friends like that, who needs enemies???

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  263. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    One of my teacher in high school went in the Navy under Woodrow Wilson and retired under Dwight Eisenhower. More than the years, think of all the change he saw.
    I must be old. One of my eighth grade teachers was RFC.

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  264. Liz says:

    Yo SJW’s so fat when she gave blood the recipient came down with diabetes!

    (I’m reminded of those blood draw buses that are sometimes in front of the Targets)

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  265. Dragonfly says:

    “Women are both herd based yet secretly highly competitive. That’s why women tend to hang out w other women of about their own (or slightly lower) smv.”

    Have you ever read Ian Ironwood’s Crab Basket article? http://theredpillroom.blogspot.com/2013/04/the-crab-basket-effect.html

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  266. Dragonfly says:


    The way women act with each other … 😦 seriously depressing stuff


  267. @ DF, so long as you were not risking your or your baby’s health or were not doing anything radical to get there, I don’t see the issue. In that case, yes, not much of a friend or perhaps she was influenced by others who were saying that to her? Hard to say…

    I was extremely lucky w pregnancy in that it somehow “kicked on” my metabolism vs. the other way around. I was eating like crazy and yet had trouble putting on enough weight, my Dr. actually told me to eat a take out hot fudge sundae every day (and I did!) I barely gained the 25 pounds and after delivery was at or below the weight I was at when I conceived. The doc actually asked me if I was secretly dieting or exercising compulsively, of course I laughed bc heck no, not my style! Lol. Then when nursing (I nursed both into toddlerhood, tmi) I also had the blessed luck to be able to chow down like a teen boy and still barely keep weight on. Sadly, after nursing quit. my metabolism returned to normal and I have to watch it or I can gain weight pretty easy. Everyone is different but when a gal puts on 70+ pounds in pregnancy, I wonder how the heck????? But then again my Dr. (a super cool gal, the best!) said not all are so lucky so perhaps it is the reverse for some. I realized too late I was born to be pregnant, since I didn’t start till 33 then had the second at 40! Lol.

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  268. When I say born to be pregnant I also mean I had zero negative side effects both times, I loved it actually! Never felt better! 🙂


  269. So as long I am over sharing, why did I put off having kids so long when I married at 23? Bc I had been told my whole life to put it off as long as possible or I would miss out on life, by just about everyone, as long as I can remember. Well, that was a load of hooey, I have come to see. I wish now I had more. Children are a blessing, not a curse. Anyone who says differently needs their head examined!

    And actually now that I think about it, while men are being accused of being Peter Pan’s who won’t grow up, perhaps that is projection? Maybe it’s women who are the ones delaying adolescence by waiting until their mid to late 30’s to become women? (Moms not maidens?) hummm…. And who is advising such? The women who should be guiding the youngers…. Interesting….

    The female version of the blue pill… Women have been led astray just as men have, in a different but equally unnatural way…

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  270. Spawny Get says:

    “Women have been led astray just as men have, in a different but equally unnatural way…”

    I think that that’s fair. Maybe one difference is that men get mislead into being disposable cogs in the society’s machine. Women are unleashed as sand in the machinery, the odd wrench thrown in too, maybe a spray of acid rather than oil.

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  271. Dragonfly says:

    ” was extremely lucky w pregnancy in that it somehow “kicked on” my metabolism vs. the other way around. I was eating like crazy and yet had trouble putting on enough weight, my Dr. actually told me to eat a take out hot fudge sundae every day (and I did!) I barely gained the 25 pounds and after delivery was at or below the weight I was at when I conceived. ”

    That’s awesome, Bloom! And no I definitely wasn’t doing anything crazy, I didn’t really work out with this last pregnancy as much as I wanted to, but still didn’t gain that much (my doctor was always on me to gain more weight too! Which my husband and I both thought was really weird lol). I’ve always had a horrible metabolism, though… I’ve been a runner since I was 12 :/ to try to combat weight gain and keep in shape.

    And yes, breastfeeding is awesome – besides all the health benefits for you and baby (it actually makes women feel happier and more content!) its just wonderful getting to snuggle them and hold them and nourish them that intimately… and the affection helps them too. We were at a park last summer and I saw a family with a couple of older children and an infant sit down to eat and they propped up a bottle for the baby to drink in their carrier and proceeded to totally ignored it and dug into their food. Their older kids were overweight and looked not so happy themselves :/ and I was sad that the baby wasn’t getting the cuddling and kissing and reassurance that they’re so worth the extra affection – granted this was just one look at their family… maybe they were too tired, but the vibe they gave off was that they couldn’t care less about that baby needing to be held. ugh!!!

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  272. Indeed, DF. I was by no means dead set on nursing, but I figured I would try to make it to the three month mark at least. However once I saw how much my oldest enjoyed that closeness and cuddling and nurturing, and the fact that she would have NOTHING to do with a bottle, I just kept going until the kids themselves decided it was time to stop. I never expected it to last into their 2nd year, and I got a lot of grief from people who offered their unsolicited advice that it was “time to wean” as they approached the one year mark and even more so after, I just ignored it and went with my maternal instinct. It seemed like the most normal and natural thing in the world. Being shy, I was always super discreet about it (it kind of bothers me when women get all militant about it) The biggest opponents? Women who were a generation or two older then me, surprisingly! They had been taught the bottle was best, nursing was disgusting, it would “tie me down,” ruin my body, and all sorts of fem bull. The biggest encouragers? Overwhelmingly men! How ironic is that?

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  273. Dragonfly says:

    When you’re nice or shy, people seem to take advantage of giving you more unsolicited advice unfortunately… almost like you’re a target for their criticism (maybe its because they think they’ll be safe from being criticized back? I don’t know). But yes! I’ve had that same experience with older women at times, too – discouraging being “too close” to your baby or “spoiling them!!!!” It kind of blows my mind because you’d expect them to know better!

    I’m a baby teacher in our church nursery, and one of the older ones happened to be in my room for a short time and told me recently that I was holding one of the babies (that was upset and missed his mom – it was his first time with us) “too much.” I just continued to hold him and kind of ignored her because she didn’t say it in a way to invite discussion but rather just to criticize. She’s thankfully not my boss 🙂 my boss there is wonderful and trusts me, and this baby needed it (first time there and all). The older lady that’s been teaching her class longer also said I should just call his parents immediately, but that just seems to hostile and I want them to know that we’re going to work hard to make their babies feel welcomed.

    I’ve learned from doing this enough that this is how I can make them happy enough to eventually love coming to Bible class which is really our goal.

    But yea… overwhelmingly, men seem to not be like that (some I’m sure are, but most would never promote not cuddling and nurturing children).

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