“Bad Boy” and Feminist Crap


Comparison of feminine (left) and masculine face:

A year ago in my post  “Times as a ‘Bad Boy” I beat around the bush and said people often mistook me for a bad boy, and some even mistook me for the criminal type. Since then, due to some comments and posts on the spawnyspace blog, I’ve had to rethink the subject. As is so often the case, it’s a matter of definition.

“Bad Boy” can be defined as a bully, or a swaggering lout who puts little effort into anything other than sex and crime. He irresponsibly impregnates women and then has no way to support his children (nothing visible anyway, from his ill-gotten gains). The taxpayer ends up footing the bill. Such men are as worthless as warts.

Unfortunately, strong masculine worthwhile men have been deliberately lumped in with the worthless warts. This is an attack on masculinity by feminists and sycophantic men. They want to rid humanity of masculinity completely.

In a comment in “Times as a Bad Boy”, Liz quoted Bastiat (emphasis mine):

For very complicated reasons, something went wrong with society’s little Hotter, Colder game. “Bad” guys look better than good ones, because Bad Guys have come to exemplify sex differences, and most women ultimately do want to feel like the girls in their relationships.

Bastiat then goes on to discuss the feminist position that there are no sex differences between men and women, and this is what he says about it (emphasis and quotation marks added by me):

It is a transparent, ultimately self-defeating way of pathologizing guys who show sex differences (snip) makes “being different” a kind of thoughtcrime, and thoughtcriminals are of course going to be labeled Bad Guys.

(snip)

But if you outlaw weapons, in the end only outlaws will have weapons…

In his last line there, he implies that by “weapons” he means “masculinity”. If we read his last line accordingly, we see how neatly the result would fit with the biased processes of feminism:

  • If you outlaw masculinity, in the end only outlaws will have masculinity
  • Therefore all masculine men are outlaws, irrespective of “worthless wart” or “masculine worthwhile male”
  • “Masculine worthwhile male” is incompatible with outlaw and therefore an invalid concept
  • Therefore all masculine males are worthless warts

The conclusion all masculine males are worthless warts is the prevailing attitude of feminists and SJWs today. The feminist process is a self-delusional attempt to disguise bias as a reasoning process. Feminists accuse men of inventing logic to oppress women. I accuse women of inventing illogic to oppress men.

Fuck  feminism.

Masculinity is Good.

I’m writing this not for self-aggrandizement, but in the hope that it might be of some value to other young vilified masculine men:

Thanks to Bastiat, and some commenters on this blog, I’m not going to beat around the bush any more: I’m a man who attracts women because I exemplify the difference between the sexes. I don’t feel any guilt or shame for what I am. I’m masculine.

As such, I’m not bad for women and children. I’m reliable and I meet my responsibilities. Yes I do look like a hard bastard and a mean S.O.B. in a scrap. And yes, there have been times when I’ve calculated that the outcome of not fighting would be worse than the outcome of fighting. But I am not, and have never been, a bully.

SFC Ton said

“Women are as feminine as a man demands. I never find lack of femininity as women revert to it if your frame is good. I reckon this would hold true for Cill and Sumo as well; Master Yoda? He’s been holding frame for 800 years, and we all know Mrs Yoda is a doll”.

It does indeed hold true for me. I have mothers telling me I make them feel more feminine and young (nothing to do with flirting, either). If masculine company can make women feel more feminine, well, I think we can all see why feminism hates masculinity so much (especially if we refer back to Bastiat’s comments).

Another thing: I think women might actually behave better around masculine men. More pleasant, less bitch.

I refuse to accept the characterization of my type as “bad boy”, unless “bad boy” means a man who looks like he won’t back off – a man who has been round the block and can acquit himself well when he has to. By that definition of “bad boy”, I am one, and thoroughly unashamed of the fact.

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237 comments on ““Bad Boy” and Feminist Crap
  1. Tarnished says:

    Well said, Cill.
    There’s a definite difference, and important one at that, between cads and men. One embodies the negatives of masculinity, and the other the positives. (Kinda like how there are bitches and women.)

    The denial of, or ignorance toward, said difference is very likely why part of the ‘sphere takes such issue with “alphas”…

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  2. Ame says:

    i absolutely agree with you.

    my mom would try to get me to be more passive so that i would not intimidate weak boys. although i had no knowledge of all that’s out there today, i knew she was wrong. i ignored her ‘advice.’

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  3. Horseman says:

    My job as ops manager for a major medical facility is to objectively assess the actions of the medical staff (women to men 5:1) on non medical operations and general care decisions. I have to be decisive and at times ruthless. We only have so many services so its called triage. (we are not er care so not the gunshot triage). Before that I was an aircraft ramp manager for fedex. We flew when no one sane would. It was my call to launch early, late, reroute etc. A bad call cancelled literally $500k in freight or worse put a ground crew in jeopardy. Pilots called aborts but once on the ground my crew turned the birds and at -35 in a blizzard people get hurt. and all these calls are real time often with little info. “how do you know?” “I don’t but a call has to be made and this is it.” And law of averages 1in 3 is a bad call. Accept responsibility and move the fuck on. Wanna second guess me, here is the chair.

    At heart I am a nice guy. Devote Taoist. Libertarian. You do your shit and I do mine. And a die hard MGTOW except for my wife and she even dislikes women.

    But the decisive vibe and ramrod posture….I’m a dick before I even say hi. Especially to SJW types. And half the new nurses take a run at me. They get so hurt when I dont notice them. Sorry your just a girl. The last real woman scored me at 22. So Im obviously not gay so I must be a dick for passing on this fine special snowflake blubber butt.

    Also being 6-1 175 and strong Scots genes helps. I don’t have a malicious gameplaying bone in my body. Karma works waybetter than me in most cases. But you would think I am the poster bad boy.

    Its sad. to get shit done means taking charge. But taking charge is a dick move. so……? sigh.

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  4. Ame says:

    as a woman, i really enjoy it here in Spawny’s Space BECAUSE you guys out here are strong, don’t back down, and call us on stuff. but you’re also not bully’s, not mean, not stupid. you know how to be confident and not slimy. we can agree with you or not, but you don’t care – no skin off your nose. we don’t have to flatter you to boost your confidence b/c you already are confident.

    it’s nice. refreshing.

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  5. Horseman says:

    p.s. shout out to Messenger Rising channel on youtube. His monk mode series lately is brilliant. Not the woe is me rant of Sandman or Kathy Straughn. Just fix yourself, be the best you can be and do your best for the local world around you that matters to you.

    my favorite

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  6. Tarnished says:

    and not slimy

    Quite a few commenters are furry, though. 😉

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  7. Horseman says:

    Ame that is because you, Tarn, RPG others are some of the few civil, open women who listen and not get judgy …but but womenz…blah. For us its refreshing and rare.

    But y’all know anyone pulls the SJW troll crap and we will ruthlessly punt them. in a nice way of course.

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  8. Tarnished says:

    Just fix yourself, be the best you can be and do your best for the local world around you that matters to you.

    The best way to live, imo. May not be for everybody, but there’s always the hope more people will decide it’s for them.

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  9. Horseman says:

    For the bear.

    Took my bear cub down to the pond today.
    He’s an Australian Sheppard nicknamed the Bumble.

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  10. Tarnished says:

    But the decisive vibe and ramrod posture…I’m a dick before I even say hi.

    Heh. This immediately reminded me of a post from a blogger I’d quit following years ago. She was initially a music blog, but steadily got sucked into the mire of Feminism. The day I unfollowed her, she’d written a post talking about how her 6’4″, 225 lbs, bearded lumberjack of a husband had literally terrified a woman into calling the cops on him…for “stalking” (aka just walking behind her for more than 10 steps) at an outdoor music festival.

    My comment on said post was along the lines of righteous indignation. I’d be absolutely furious if some flighty chick called the police on my own 6’2″, 270 lbs man simply for going in the same direction as “her majesty”!

    But no…every other commenter AND THE AUTHOR HERSELF said that they sympathized with the woman, and would probably have done exactly the same, or something similar. They accused me of “being unfair to women’s safety needs” and lying about how I wouldn’t be just as afraid. To say I was gobsmacked is a gross understatement.

    Couldn’t unsubscribe fast enough…It was amazing, that the Team Woman mentality had completely overtaken commenters I’d spoken with for over a year. 😦
    Not to mention how they all defended their “right” to get innocent, law-abiding males in trouble just for existing in the same space.
    Apparently, even being married to such a male isn’t enough to stop the insanity.

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  11. Tarnished says:

    Dawwww.
    Lookit da big puppy.

    He’s gorgeous, Horseman.

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  12. Horseman says:

    Riddle me this Batman

    Women in profiles want men 6-1+ to protect them
    Women in real life are afraid of big men.
    So caped crusader… how does one be both big and small at once.
    Aaaaaahahahaha.

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  13. Tarnished says:

    Well, you see, Mr. Nygma, it’s actually quite simple:

    Such women are, in reality, escaped inmates from Arkham.

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  14. Cill says:

    Tarn, you’ve reminded me that there are aspects I didn’t include in the post. One is that a man doesn’t have to be a cad in order to be sexually attractive to women or to be an alpha.

    It gets back to definitions again: how do we define “cad”? MY definition (and of course it’s not exhaustive) is “borish prick who thinks it’s cool to go out of your way to treat people badly”. It’s true that lots of women are attracted to such men. I’ve seen it with my own eyes.

    It’s also true that’s lots of women are attracted to men like me, and I don’t go out my way to treat women badly. However it’s a fine dividing line. If a woman persists in behaving like a bitch I’ll tell her to piss off. She probably thinks I’m a cad, but in my mind I’m not. I didn’t think it was cool to go out my way to treat her badly. I gave her a well-deserved telling off.

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  15. Tarnished says:

    Women in profiles want men 6-1+ to protect them

    Protect them from what, I always wonder.
    Sabre tooth tigers? Stampeding mammoths?
    Other men who *also* just happen to be tall, like our resident cinnamon bear?

    …pickle jars that are difficult for their dainty hands to open? 😉

    Interestingly, my FwB (whose height is listed above), always wished he was 2-3 inches taller, despite already being over 6 foot. I, on the other hand, wish he was shorter, because then it’d be easier to sneak kisses. 😅

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  16. Horseman says:

    Given the tights.. ya think in the tv series Batman and Riddler compared packages

    or was that Catwoman?

    And the age old debate: Julie Newmar or Eritha Kit?
    and the old Ginger or Maryann?

    JN and M for me.

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  17. Cill says:

    “It was amazing, that the Team Woman mentality had completely overtaken commenters I’d spoken with for over a year”
    In the case of the women, they have their group think. In the case of the men, quite a few of them are on the blogs mainly for the women, though they wouldn’t admit it.

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  18. Tarnished says:

    One is that a man doesn’t have to be a cad in order to be sexually attractive to women or to be an alpha.

    Truth.

    It gets back to definitions again: how do we define “cad”? MY definition (and of course it’s not exhaustive) is “borish prick who thinks it’s cool to go out of your way to treat people badly”

    Pretty similar to my own definition. I’d personally throw something in there regarding high amounts of (negatively used?) Dark Triad personality traits, but most females seem to like them so…Not really relevant, I suppose.

    She probably thinks I’m a cad, but in my mind I’m not. I didn’t think it was cool to go out my way to treat her badly. I gave her a well-deserved telling off.

    *gasp!*
    Are…are you insinuating that this hypothetical woman is wrong? That’s impossible.

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  19. Tarnished says:

    Given the tights…ya think in the tv series Batman and Riddler compared packages

    They both clearly lose to David Bowie’s “Goblin King/Jareth” character. Not that I’ve made comparisons, of course.

    JN and M are both 👍.

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  20. Cill says:

    Ame : as a woman, i really enjoy it here in Spawny’s Space BECAUSE you guys out here are strong, don’t back down, and call us on stuff. but you’re also not bully’s, not mean, not stupid. you know how to be confident and not slimy. we can agree with you or not, but you don’t care – no skin off your nose. we don’t have to flatter you to boost your confidence b/c you already are confident.

    it’s nice. refreshing.

    + Horseman :
    Ame that is because you, Tarn, RPG others are some of the few civil, open women who listen and not get judgy …but but womenz…blah. For us its refreshing and rare.

    It’s interesting.

    ‘Way back, I wrote a post “The Pulchritude of Spawnyspace”. I wonder if there’s a connection?

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  21. Cill says:

    To clarify, I wonder if there’s a connection between the presence of such a high percentage of good looking women in this blog, and the type of men here? (refer Ame (see above)
    i really enjoy it here in Spawny’s Space BECAUSE” etc)

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  22. Tarnished says:

    I believe that while the positive correlation we see is due to the high prevalence of pro-male female and male commenters coming together, we can’t say anything regarding causation based on physical attractiveness either way since nobody besides Liz and Cill have ever used real pictures of themselves.

    It also becomes difficult when one considers that “beauty is in the eye of the beholder” from one person to the next. For example, my guy tells me I’m an 8 but I believe myself to be a 6, and am only judged that highly by him because most of the people my age in our area are fairly overweight, so its a biased comparison.

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  23. Cill says:

    I’m not saying I’ve seen your picture, Tarn, but I’m sure I’d think you’re cute if I did 😉

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  24. Choicy says:

    Cillo I’d like to think the beauties from Down Under are here because a certain outback digger is here mate. Correct me if I’m wrong. I’m a masculine man like you mate, so yeah there could be something in it.

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  25. Choicy says:

    Tarn said, “we can’t say anything regarding causation based on physical attractiveness either way since nobody besides Liz and Cill have ever used real pictures of themselves.”

    I have seen the sheilas from the land of the long white cloud in the flesh mate, or haven’t I said it aleady? Did I not extoll their beauty loud and long enough mate. 😉

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  26. Cill says:

    Correct me if I’m wrong
    You’d like my verdict on that one, wouldn’t you Choicy mate.

    Anyway, great to hear from you you Aussie bastard.

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  27. Tarnished says:

    I’m not saying I’ve seen your picture, Tarn, but I’m sure I’d think you’re cute if I did😉

    Lol. Guess we’ll never know, huh? 😉

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  28. Tarnished says:

    Cillo I’d like to think the beauties from Down Under are here because a certain outback digger is here mate.

    Okay, *that* I’d accept, since you all know each other in real life.

    I have seen the sheilas from the land of the long white cloud in the flesh mate, or haven’t I said it aleady? Did I not extoll their beauty loud and long enough mate.😉

    Fear not, for your words have painted numerous mental portraits of said goddesses, Choicy. However, I doubt that our dearest Molly is actually as ‘armless as her avatar would have us believe, just as Cillhouette and M look too “animated” as well. 🙂

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  29. Cill says:

    I’ll just have to die wondering.

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  30. Choicy says:

    “However, I doubt that our dearest Molly is actually as ‘armless as her avatar would have us believe, just as Cillhouette and M look too “animated” as well”

    Don’t I know it. I can’t think of them without a groan mate.

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  31. Tarnished says:

    Here’s a thought, though.

    Perhaps there is a higher percentage of fit/attractive women here because they are either;

    A. with masculine men who desire feminine body types,
    B. are actively seeking said men,
    C. are good friends with men who motivate them to stay active and attempt to keep up with them physically, or
    D. have careers in male-dominated fields that entail moderate manual labor

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  32. Tarnished says:

    Don’t I know it. I can’t think of them without a groan mate.

    Hey now, mate, this is a non-prevert blog.

    (I almost typed that with a straight face.)

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  33. Choicy says:

    Cillo quite a few sheilas would call us cads I reckon mate. I heard a couple of them talking about you behind your back saying what a loser you are. They didn’t know what I know which is that you declined the company of both of them at dkifferent times. We get cadded for things we aren’t aware of mate.

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  34. Choicy says:

    FTR I’m not refering to “M” mates. I refer to a couple of bitches who didn’t take kindly to being turned down by my mate.

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  35. Cill says:

    Tarn at 3:55 am

    Good point. Liz would be an obvious example, Mike being the type of bloke Ame was talking about.

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  36. Sumo says:

    nobody besides Liz and Cill have ever used real pictures of themselves.

    Ahem.

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  37. Cill says:

    Speak of the devil, there’s a prime example of the type of bloke Ame was talking about ^^^

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  38. Choicy says:

    Re Cillo’s comment that some men are here mainly for the women though they won’t admit it. I’m admitting it mate. I’m here for the sheilas and I’m not embarrassed to admit it mate.

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  39. Cill says:

    Fair enough Choicy. FWIW I have no problem with that. My comment was just an observation.

    Like

  40. Tarnished says:

    nobody besides Liz and Cill have ever used real pictures of themselves.

    Ahem.

    Ah. Yes, well.
    In my defense, I am blonde.

    Sorry, Sumo. 😉

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  41. Tarnished says:

    And Ton…kind of.
    The bits you can see.

    Like

  42. Choicy says:

    FTR my avatar does not sport the real me. The only advantage that joker has over me is youth mate. Time for this digger to get back to wok my mates.

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  43. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    I like Tarn’s earlier theory that it is because so many of the commenters are furry and cuddly.

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  44. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Off topic,
    Diana Davison’s upl;oad from last week was taken down at the request of the Toronto Police. It was all about the Jian Ghomeshi trial. Do you think that they may be embarrassed?
    Here is this week’s

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  45. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Getting back to the original post, it is evidence of hate to men that feminists keep spouting preferences and when they are filled, they find something else. Even dogs get tired of chasing their tails.

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  46. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Thnking again on the jian Ghomeshi trial, the accusers were so blatant in their collusion and perjury, that the Toronto Police should be charged as accessories after the fact.

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  47. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Spawny Get,
    Captain Capitaliism linked this.
    http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/2016/04/we-dont-need-no-571.html
    Under noremal circumstances, this would be a symprom of an economic depression.

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  48. BuenaVista says:

    I don’t fit the definition of ‘bad boy’, if that definition is some amalgam of Brando in The Wild One, and his lonesome rider successors (e.g., Eastwood, various Bond actors; various sexual outlaws (Gere, American Gigolo), various drug-addled geniuses (Keith Richards, Gram Parsons, Merle Haggard, Johnny Cash, Prince); and the usual sociopathic politicians (Clinton). Yet my girlfriends repeatedly, when frustrated *or* pleased refer to me as one, or its equivalent (“you’re great but you’re … problematic).

    In thinking about this, and I’ve had occasion to think about it in-depth, again, all weekend, I am satisfied that the term is assigned for reasons reflecting how mainstream feminist privilege is now established.

    One of the great ironies of the SMP is that the most dominant, most successful women all seem to crave what they say they don’t want: a man who laughs, e.g., at the idiocy of cross-dressing pervs in teenage girls’ bathrooms, or a man who won’t ‘share his feelings’ (itself just a trap to demonstrate to a woman his ultimate unreliability and weakness), or a man who doesn’t bring an affirmative consent contract to an illicit motel-no-tell liason.

    I would say, then, that Bad Boy can mean many things. In general, though, it is dropped into the conversation by a woman when a man simply refuses to play by the rules femdom American has established. As in, when a man requires a woman to own her own behavior. When a man says “I don’t talk about that.” Or when a man laughs at the obligations our emasculated culture imposes on “respectable” types. Or when a man notes that sure, publishing and art are now purged of male influence — except that women writers and artists rarely produce anything that anyone cares about once the moment passes (take a look sometime at any list of the greatest female writers of the last 100 years — about five percent are relevant and influential except to the self-dealing practitioners of bad contemporary lit.)

    These modest examples of male agency (one could probably list 25) drive the women in my dating cohort nuts, and I inhabit a cycle of attraction, involvement, confrontation, female-delivered ultimatums — and subsequent re-involvement after they date a few of the guys in their world who are not “bad boys.” So, once more, an example of ignoring what women say and watching only what they do.

    Ton defines masculinity as the capacity to commit violence, and I think this is true. As I cannot pretend to represent myself in his terms, I have a few translations of what “bad boy” means:

    a. breaks the rules of the social order now run by women and their male supplicants.
    b. has personal boundaries that are logically and concisely articulated — and enforced.
    c. maintains a capacity for personal, emotional reticence.
    d. is unafraid of physical pain or risk.
    e. did I mention personal boundaries (my latest is I don’t allow women in my home, if it’s problematic for me to be in theirs — this seems to create neutron-bomb level levels of emotional chaos, not to mention superheated levels of fascination).

    I always used to overshare in the ‘sphere, and in the SMP, back when I was transitioning to red pill living, and it was very helpful (to me) but I’m going to skip the anecdotes that sustain my argument. Deti helped me turn the corner in this regard, teaching me that it’s pointless to litigate, so to speak, the absurdities and contradictions of the femdom society we inhabit.

    I will say it’s also impossible to discuss RP ideas or behavior with most men. So I’m a ‘bad boy’ this morning with my prospective pastor for challenging him on theology and social organization of his church; I’m a ‘bad boy’ with the young men (20-somethings) finding their way with their women and life plans; I’m a ‘bad boy’ with the seemingly independent, white collar men who are always baiting and leeringly seeking details of my personal life.

    So, a guy who simply doesn’t play by the rules of the feminist imperative, who calls out the manifestations of open hypergamy, with humor and disinterest, and who gives women what they say they don’t want? There’s your bad boy. It’s a useful term for a woman who simultaneously needs to shame a man for not bending to her latest shit-testing ultimatum, and explain her own attraction.

    Just to break, already, my own moratorium on anecdotes: on Saturday I told a woman, who says I’m the best she’s ever had, she had crossed my red line, and it’s time-out, for her. This was very unpleasant. But then yesterday one ex-gf sent me pictures from her trip to Rome, commenting on how she always travels with the cashmere shawl I bought her years ago. And this morning I received a 10 pp handwritten letter from the woman who issued me an ultimatum (do these two things, or we will never speak again) a month ago, in response to which I just said, “Okay, I guess that’s that then.”

    They want what they say they don’t. Most men give them, in response, what they find contemptible over time. Fail to do that, fail to honor the FI in all its power-driven ambitions, and they are moths to the bad boy flame. I confess to being tired of its predictability, but I know this is just a sentimental longing I have to relive a few of the pretty lies that I thought, once, were true.

    With women, and men (alas), it’s all so very simple. And so trite: The first rule of fight club is we don’t talk about it. Never complain, never explain. Reality’s a bitch, and then we die. Salvation through grace alone, a private act between man and God — and no, pastor, I’m not asking you to plumb and audit my soul and tell me I should really restructure my romantic existence to satisfy the curiosity of the subject divorcee in need of a safe landing and safe harbor.

    In conclusion, it seems that the mass of men, even moreso than women, find the red pill incendiary. So we must be “bad boys” Shit gets old.

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  49. Yoda says:

    nobody besides Liz and Cill have ever used real pictures of themselves.

    Darth Maul and Moehau Man also they have

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  50. Yoda says:

    In conclusion, it seems that the mass of men, even moreso than women, find the red pill incendiary.

    Better to live with the lie than go into uncharted territory it is.
    Safety in blue pill numbers there would be

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  51. Yoda says:

    They want what they say they don’t. Most men give them, in response, what they find contemptible over time

    Perhaps the most important red pill truths there is.
    If only all men understand it they could

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  52. BuenaVista says:

    Ah, hell. I’m such a recidivist pussy online.

    I’ve been seeing someone I’m very fond of. In weaker moments I wished I had met her in my 20’s and we had children together. She says I’m “the best she’s ever had.” She says that I’m “the ultimate bad boy.” I’m a fairly sensuous man, much moreso than when I was a Good Man in my phony, death-do-us-part marriage. The sex with her has been great in that she is apparently so turned on that after the prelims she usually cums in a minute or two. This is very flattering. The sex with her has been bad in that I’m more interested in being a 60-minute man, to quote the noted philosopher Billy Ward.

    [Musical interlude]

    Think of that scene in “Network” with Holden and Dunaway: Like that:

    So, it was time for a conversation. I drove her up to Minneapolis Thursday to buy stuff for her business, and it was a delightful day of pretending to be a happy married couple, with the attendant pleasures of giving happiness to everyone we encountered: they fed off our happiness and connection. I took her to a restaurant I like and after the main course, said, “Okay, I think we need to talk about something.” And I held her hand and spoke in quiet tones about my privilege to be her lover but …

    Immediately: “hurtful”, “embarrassing”, “unfair”, “you and your perverse interests.” IOW, and only men know what was happening, she was saying, “I do not have any interest in your desire to talk about sex and what it means to you, because it’s all about me.”

    I immediately ended the conversation and took her to the movie (“Miles Ahead”, not very good, if you are, like, interested in Miles Davis and would prefer they not turn him into a character in Starsky and Hutch.)

    I got up once and went to the lobby and considered leaving. It’s never good to feel like a self-absorbed woman’s sex utility, sex toy, devoid of reciprocal value. Being a recidivist Good Man, instead of being really good at being a man, I returned to the picture. Wouldn’t be kind to strand a woman 250 miles from home.

    We drove out of town and it was quiet. She said, “Hahaha, we’re having an awkward moment.”

    “Yes.”

    “You surprised me and I feel vulnerable and like you wanted to attack me.”

    “–”

    “You just want to get home.”

    “–”

    “Don’t you see how that makes me feel?”

    “Grownups who care for each other talk about these things. Rationally.”

    “I’ve never talked about these things.”

    “I believe you. You’ve always been the prettiest girl in the room, you didn’t have to.”

    “It’s very awkward.”

    “It’s supposed to be.”

    “Talk to me.”

    “I tried. Your turn.”

    “I don’t know what to say.”

    I bought a six pack halfway home and we rocked out to Roseanne Cash. To her, this meant everything was fine. To me it meant, Goodbye, sweetheart.

    As a footnote, this scene is a killer: Dunaway looks like my ex-wife, has the facial collapse under pressure of Mrs. Smith, as well as her capacity to sabotage her very desires.

    It’s fine with me if women want to behave like delinquent 13 year-olds and call it empowering. It’s also fine if they want to call Holden, here, a “bad boy.” But I don’t think they’re going to enjoy their dotage wishing they could apply for a lifelong do-over.

    They think it’s all about them, and ha-ha, men are just so butt-hurt and small if they put up with it, and mean and abusive if they don’t. Meanwhile, just contemplate the holidays with the human wreckage that are their children and their children’s children.

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  53. Cill says:

    Yoda Better to live with the lie than go into uncharted territory it is. Agreed.

    BV,
    Bad boy is a useful term for a woman who simultaneously needs to shame a man for not bending to her latest shit-testing ultimatum, and explain her own attraction.

    When I see a shit test I kill it before it grows. Maybe someone here can tell me, Why do so many men put up with it? I’ll think, surely he can see what’s going on here? Sometimes I’ll get so impatient I’ll tell them both off, him for being a wimp and her for being a bitch. And then I’ll be impatient with myself for bothering with them.

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  54. Cill says:

    My theory is, they are like the cooking crab. It might take months or years, but by the time they realize the water is too hot, it’s too late to jump out of the pot.

    Also, men hate to squabble in public. When a woman bitches at a man in front of other people he stays quiet in the hope that she will stop. He doesn’t seem to realize his meekness encourages her to bitch louder than ever.

    It happened to me once. I roared at her so loud and sudden, she sat on the floor in shock, in front of the public. She didn’t say a word for the entire flight, recovered herself hours later and we were good as gold.

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  55. BuenaVista says:

    I consider shit-tests inevitable. I do try to induce them through outrageous (to females) comments. Ton is better at this than I am, obviously, but I am slowly improving:

    He: “No, you do that and I’ll do this, etc.”

    She: “You’re such a bully when you talk like that.” [shit test]

    He: “Isn’t it awesome?”

    She: “You always make me laugh.”

    But it’s not how I wish to relate to people so I need more quiet time than most to restore my foundation Susan Cain talks a lot about this in on introverts titled “Quiet”.

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  56. BuenaVista says:

    I’ve never yelled at a woman in public or physically struck one, so the airplane flight anecdote is out of my league. The last time I yelled at a woman in anger was 2008. My second wife had killed my older childrens’ cat (she didn’t like being reminded that I had been married before) and I called her a monster. One of the neighbors called the cops.

    A couple of times I’ve picked a woman up bodily, over my shoulder, and left the room. Those had the desired outcome.

    So I aspire to be more of a Sam Shepard than a Jack Nicholson, but I suspect females would pay more attention to a Jack Nicholson.

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  57. Cill says:

    I do try to induce them through outrageous (to females) comments

    Inducing that sort of shit test is useful. I do it a lot. When she responds with a shit test, it’s fun and easily dealt with.

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  58. Cill says:

    A couple of times I’ve picked a woman up bodily, over my shoulder, and left the room.

    Mate, I’ve done that too. Seems we have a few things in common.

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  59. Cill says:

    I also pick them up and mockingly cradle them like a baby. They act helpless and protected.

    [Cill edit: I wouldn’t recommend that to everyone though]

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  60. BuenaVista says:

    In my case, it enforces a “no chubbies” rule.

    I have an ex-gf in Sydney, at the moment, and she once asked me how much I weighed. I told her, and she said, “Good. Men and women should be 60 pounds apart, at least.” I would have to take a deep breath to carry a woman through big city traffic, if she were a 160-pounder.

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  61. Dragonfly says:

    Wow, so many comments already! Horseman, don’t worry at all about making a masculine move and getting penalized for it in people’s thoughts – we need more men who understand the difference that Cill described.

    I think feminism is just a huge take over of a woman’s mind and way of behaving, and trying to force society (men) to live that way – in effect, criminalizing anything positively masculine. Last week, my husband confronted a man who almost hit us in a parking lot, as well as almost run down some children (it was at our son’s school). The man didn’t care at all, and actually tried to intimidate my husband back with aggression (I was freaking out inside!). My husband didn’t back down and continued to argue with him (the man had no answers… he was seriously an idiot thug of some kind). The guy eventually backed down completely and sped off like he was fleeing the scene. It was interesting later to think about how my husband’s positive masculinity countered his negative (criminally aggressive) behavior. He does it all the time in his work, so it’s like nothing to him, but seeing him do it is so interesting to me because I’m surprised at my reactions.

    Being a woman, we want men to just be nice, don’t confront an asshole, don’t do anything that may get you into a fight, let bygones be bygones, let’s all coexist, hold hands and sing cumbaya. It’s horrible, we really would **PREFER** for men to behave like women do. We prefer men to act feminine because even positive masculinity makes us uncomfortable. My husband let me know later he was prepared to actually fight this man, and he was confident that he’d win… that and he’s always carrying several weapons/detainment things on him. So he was ready to face this man.

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  62. Spawny Get says:

    So what happens to Nigel when he’s interviewed by the biased lame stream media. Fair and fucking balanced?

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  63. Cill says:

    The video from Spawny at 7:08 pm

    The British MSM is so narrow-minded its ears touch.

    In that video, the questions to Farage are donkey-dumb ignorant . The media in America does it to Trump. I’m no fan of Trump, but the MSM reveal their left-wing bias every time they interview or discuss him. It’s pathetic.

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  64. Cill says:

    Here’s a thought: do people get so sick and tired of the lefty bias in the media they’ll vote for Farage (or in USA, Trump) as a “stick it to the media” thing?

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  65. BuenaVista says:

    Cameron reminds me of Ned Beatty in Deliverance. I’d post the relevant video, but I’ve already broken form and done to much of that. However, SOOOEY!

    The UK media make ours seem objective and dispassionate.

    Farage needs to watch a few Milo videos, to add an element of bad boy charm to his cause.

    Lately, I’ve been responding to my fancy-pants friends, who cower before the Trumpian “America First” bombast: “Like Switzerland and Norway are so disadvantaged by putting national interests first?” I note that Farage has made the same, obvious association.

    What amazes me about the EU is its willingness to be led by an East German commissar.

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  66. BuenaVista says:

    Cill, in the USA, people love Trump in part because the MSM (in addition to their enablers, Republican elites) loathe him. In this sense, Trump doesn’t have to make sense: the fact of who hates him is the motivation for much of his support.

    One way to think of Trump is that he’s running a third-party campaign inside the Republican Party. The Brits have a multi-party system, obviously, so UKIP is meaningful outside the dominant two parties.

    Sanders and the Pauls also launched, effectively, third party campaigns within the dominant two parties, accordingly.

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  67. Cill says:

    In my case, it enforces a “no chubbies” rule.
    I have a mental picture of an Andrea Dorking being hefted like lard down the street. Your rule would be an easy one to adhere to.
    MUAHAHAHA!

    Dragonfly,
    Good on your husband for standing up to the bastard. He belongs to a small percentage of men. It’s hard to tell how many there are. Some might not even know they are the “staunch” type of man. I once got attacked by a group of men. A mate of mine came out and protected my back. He was shaking with fear at first but he got into the fray and gave it his best. It was the first time he’d been in a fight. He didn’t have to come out. He didn’t have to join in. Was he naturally a staunch type, or did he make a decision to be one? Who knows.

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  68. BuenaVista says:

    As she notes, Dragonfly’s husband is a cop, so he was armed and he knew that the cops, if anything happened, would protect him as well.

    In the USA, however, a civilian confronting a thug WILL be handcuffed and jailed by the cops if he behaves similarly.

    All cops know a cop who has broken the law while in or out of uniform. But they don’t speak up, do they. Think about that.

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  69. Tarnished says:

    I also pick them up and mockingly cradle them like a baby. They act helpless and protected.

    They don’t ask to be put down, or move aside before you could pick them up? Does this mean they actually *want* to be coddled like a child?

    I would have to take a deep breath to carry a woman through big city traffic, if she were a 160-pounder.

    Why would one have to carry her around? Or is this just a hypothetical?

    I do try to induce them through outrageous (to females) comments.

    Inducing that sort of shit test is useful. I do it a lot. When she responds with a shit test, it’s fun and easily dealt with.

    I’m a bit confused now.
    So are shit tests frustrating and stupid, or amusing and entertaining? I read the examples of shit tests on the RP reddit or sometimes MGTOW reddit…they just make me think said women are brats who never got past a 5th grade mentality.

    Why try to create shit tests? 😕

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  70. BuenaVista says:

    Tarn, we’re talking about real life here, so it’s going to be confusing.

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  71. Cill says:

    Farage needs to watch a few Milo videos, to add an element of bad boy charm to his cause
    Good idea. You can’t reason with the media, so you might as well meet fire with fire. Milo has some good flame-throwers.

    Does this mean they actually *want* to be coddled like a child?
    Yes. When I go to put them down they hold on. They like it. I’m talking about women I already know.

    are shit tests frustrating and stupid, or amusing and entertaining?
    It’s a matter of definitions again. My definition of “shit test” would always include unpleasant bitchiness. I think it’s fair enough to define an “induced” response as a shit test when it could lead to unpleasant bitchiness from her, depending on his response. I’d define it as a “pre-shit test”.

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  72. Cill says:

    It’s an amusing play between the sexes, and it can be uproariously funny for both. I’ve yet to meet a woman who can lead that sort of fun, but if the man leads she usually likes to participate. If she’s attracted to him, she will.

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  73. Cill says:

    Okay, day has dawned and I’ll have to get going.

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  74. Tarnished says:

    Tarn, we’re talking about real life here, so it’s going to be confusing.

    Okay…? That comment doesn’t explain anything.

    Yes. When I go to put them down they hold on. They like it. I’m talking about women I already know.

    Interesting. It makes more sense if it’s women you already know though. Not something you’d do on a first date, lol.

    I think it’s fair enough to define an “induced” response as a shit test when it could lead to unpleasant bitchiness from her, depending on his response. I’d define it as a “pre-shit test”.

    So a masculine version of a shit test, then? Getting a rise out of her to see if she’d turn into a bitch or keep her chill like a normal person?

    It’s an amusing play between the sexes, and it can be uproariously funny for both.

    So, banter? Slightly making fun of each other, poking fun at one another’s flaws, etc? My guy and I do that a lot. 🙂

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  75. BuenaVista says:

    Obviously, it’s too wet to get in the fields. Which leaves us … beer and internet.

    Here’s my favorite ‘end of days’ quote, from the post-femdom website The Bustle. Author is discussing how to suspect your boyfriend is planning to disappear, when in fact he’s already disappearing, and we modern girls call them “partners”, not boyfriends:

    “Similarly, if you’re in an LTR and you haven’t been going out much, you might want to look into why that is so. If you haven’t heard a peep from your partner all week, see what’s up.”

    All right. So we have a cohort who think they have a “partner” who, in the ordinary course, might not speak to them for a week.

    This means:

    1. Fuckbuddies are us!
    2. Fuckbuddies are partners!
    3. The man I fuck is less important than the guy at the corner bodega who makes my coffee — I see the latter every day.
    4. The odds of such “partners” being present at the birth of their children? About the same as getting the same bus driver nine months out. But hey, don’t be all judgy and shit!
    5. An “LTR”: on in which men and women speak more than once every seven days. Probably.

    I’m sure these strange conditions were sought by, and enforced, by dudes.

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  76. Spawny Get says:

    “So are shit tests frustrating and stupid, or amusing and entertaining?”

    Yes

    Or, rather

    “So are shit tests frustrating and stupid, AND amusing and entertaining?”

    Even if you’re frustrated and appalled at the stupidity, best act like you’re amused and entertained. All the better to teach her that to shit test is to invite ridicule…so don’t do it.

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  77. Spawny Get says:

    Yay for beer and internet.

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  78. BuenaVista says:

    Except to you, Tarn.

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  79. Spawny Get says:

    I thought that a shit test was a shit test because it’s a Kobyashi Mary situation…no win by design. Unless you cheat. Cheating includes refusing the test, turning the tables, giving a response that she doesn’t enjoy, but can’t make anything of. Amused superiority (picking her up like a kid?) Making a joke of it (I don’t know whether that dress makes your arse look fat, haven’t you got a gay BFF you can ask?)

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  80. Ame says:

    “(I don’t know whether that dress makes your arse look fat, haven’t you got a gay BFF you can ask?)”

    “It does. I know it does. And I don’t care … because I like the dress anyway … and I like my fat butt!” 😉

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  81. Tarnished says:

    Yes, Spawny.
    Hooray for beer and internet! Only have the one at the moment, unfortunately.

    Similarly, if you’re in an LTR and you haven’t been going out much, you might want to look into why that is so. If you haven’t heard a peep from your partner all week, see what’s up.

    Ha! If you’re in an “LTR” where you don’t even talk a few times a week, you’re most likely not in an LTR. You’re probably a plate. That’s not even remotely a partner. (Obviously this isn’t regarding military couples, who might not have lines of communication available.)

    Even if you’re frustrated and appalled at the stupidity, best act like you’re amused and entertained. All the better to teach her that to shit test is to invite ridicule…so don’t do it.

    Ah. Similar to how one deals with truly rude and obnoxious customers. 😉
    Makes sense.

    Except to you, Tarn

    Except to me…what? I’m not being sarcastic. I really don’t know what you’re referring to here, BV.

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  82. Spawny Get says:

    You just failed Shit Testing 101, in fact you probably failed before that response by not initiating the shit test in the first place. Don’t feel bad about it, not everyone can be relentlessly unpleasant, else we’d all be feminists…

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  83. Tarnished says:

    else we’d all be feminists…

    Ugh!

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  84. Spawny Get says:

    “Except to me…what? I’m not being sarcastic. I really don’t know what you’re referring to here, BV.”
    Me neither, I just put it down to the beer. Which sucks as I’ve only had one.

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  85. Ame says:

    hummm … will have to ask my husband if he thinks I have a fat butt …

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  86. Spawny Get says:

    That’s the spirit 😉

    Might be interesting to see whether he exhibits ‘Amused Mastery’ as the Red Pill often suggests. (I used the wrong term earlier)

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  87. Spawny Get says:

    Maybe you’ll get lucky and he’ll just fling you over his shoulder and take you off to the bedroom for an in depth examination?

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  88. Tarnished says:

    will have to ask my husband if he thinks I have a fat butt…

    Lol. And what do you want the answer to be, Ame? 😉

    Me neither, I just put it down to the beer. Which sucks as I’ve only had one.

    Hopefully you’re working on a remedy for that, mate.

    …says the person who only has a 2 drink maximum. *eyeroll*

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  89. Spawny Get says:

    I meant Kobyashi Maru, not Kobyashi Mary as actually ended up in the comment… Kobyashi Mary is actually better, I think.

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  90. Spawny Get says:

    Clearly THEY spelled it wrong

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  91. Spawny Get says:

    Told you they spelled it wrong

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  92. Spawny Get says:

    You do know that ‘Mary’ is slang for a ‘Magic fairy cave’, ‘Lady garden’, ‘Front bottom’ etc etc?

    Hence ‘Kobyashi Mary’ being most amusing indeed. Eminently upvote worthy.

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  93. SFC Ton says:

    Not yet read the comments but…. the meaning of words have changed. Gay use to mean happy, now it means some pervet who will take a cock in his ass. Asshole use to mean a shitheel, now it doesn’t. Bad Boy circa 1950 equaled shitheall; Bad Boy in 2016 can mean a lot of things but mostly it means a guy who isn’t a blue pill chump.

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  94. SFC Ton says:

    words have definitions a cad is a man who behaves dishonorably, especially toward a woman.

    Doesn’t necessarily equate to boorish or any such.

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  95. Ame says:

    “Maybe you’ll get lucky and he’ll just fling you over his shoulder and take you off to the bedroom for an in depth examination?”

    😉

    yep … that’s more like what he’d do!

    ====================================

    “Lol. And what do you want the answer to be, Ame?😉”

    Tarn – he’d probably say yes then proceed above! 😉

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  96. Spawny Get says:

    a red pill man might wish his woman to believe that he sees a shit test as foreplay for makeup sex / angry sex. This is becoming a risky approach, legally speaking

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  97. SFC Ton says:

    way back when I was just a little Ton wanna be my rule no chick who weighed more then I could bench press…. then it was no girl who weigh more then I could overhead press…. then no girl weighed more then I could curl…. now its no girl who weighs more then I can one hand overhead press now its just the bitch better be petite

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  98. SFC Ton says:

    Trump: On Friday I rode about 400 miles along the NC/ SC border. The kind of value voters you would think back Cruz. I saw 1 Cruz sign. I couldn’t count the Trump signs if I took off my boots and dropped my short pants

    And yea its mostly a fuck you vote.

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  99. SFC Ton says:

    I don’t argue with women. I walk away or throw them over my shoulder. Purefuckinggold on dealing with women. One of the girls tried to argue with me over my anti american flag stance on the 4th of July. I picked her up, threw her over my shoulder and carried for 300’ish yards. Set her down and she was placated for the rest of the night

    My last time whore wrangling outside of Camp Lejune I picked up two USMC chicks, one over each shoulder and carried them to my truck. Right off the dance floor as some jarheads tried to spit game at them.

    Over the shoulder is purefuckinggold.

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  100. Tarnished says:

    purefuckinggold should be your new username.

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  101. Tarnished says:

    now its just the bitch better be petite

    No curvy Germanic fräuleins or exotic bellydancers for you, Ton? 😉

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  102. Tarnished says:

    a red pill man might wish his woman to believe that he sees a shit test as foreplay for makeup sex / angry sex.

    Never had angry sex.
    Had makeup sex twice, it was really good both times.

    Each “fight” was due to unintentional miscommunications, we talked it over later, apologized to one another, and then I initiated da sexytimes. Strangely, the 1st time he was very reluctant…so much so that I actually asked if he wanted to stop. Turns out he felt he’d be “taking advantage of me” if he didn’t decline. I told him that was stupid, since I obviously wanted him. It was a-ok after that, thank goodness!

    Geez. What wringers his previous women have put him through. 😦 😠

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  103. Horseman says:

    Dragonfly

    I really dont care what people think of my decisions especially my female boss. I make them and if im wrong im wrong. But I dont make them for pc. Christ if I did every caseworker with a sob story would win and we would be at 4000% capacity. Had to break up a long term resident couple. Arranged a transfer for both but for next six weeks he has to leave her. Why? He is ambulatory and she needsround the clock intervention. Its sad butno sadder than denying someone a class II bed because he is in it.

    Tonand Cill nailed it. Bad boy is just the hamster covering for a shit test passed unexpectedly and the lower female status that creates while being unexpectedly attracted.

    Its amazing how easy it is to hold frame when you truly dont give a shit or see thru an illogical statement.

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  104. Cill says:

    hummm … will have to ask my husband if he thinks I have a fat butt …

    Shit test if ever there was one…

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  105. Dragonfly says:

    “As she notes, Dragonfly’s husband is a cop, so he was armed and he knew that the cops, if anything happened, would protect him as well.”

    Yes, he is always armed and dangerous, but no, police won’t always take the side of another police officer (or his wife). Have you considered that when police get involved in things like this, the majority of civilians and media outlets will all be against them, no matter if they did the right thing, they are always perceived as in the wrong? He was in the right, but it’s riskier for a police officer to be defending themselves than a normal civilian now. And the media comes immediately after that officer’s family, publishing their names and address and children’s information, and his department usually does NOT stand by him. Several officers have been fired for doing the right thing, so I wouldn’t assume they have some kind of advantage over the normal man. We’ve had a couple of cases like that in our city with my husband’s department. Our chief does not back our officers even when they’re on the job, how much do you think he’d back my husband defending himself when off the job? We recently had a vote on the officers’ confidence in our chief, and it was 97% “No.”

    “In the USA, however, a civilian confronting a thug WILL be handcuffed and jailed by the cops if he behaves similarly.”

    I don’t know enough to say either way, BV. Maybe in some areas….

    “All cops know a cop who has broken the law while in or out of uniform. But they don’t speak up, do they. Think about that.”

    This just sounds so anti-police, I’m surprised that someone like you would believe this. We had a huge scandal years ago in our department, obviously at least one officer was brave enough to turn in the others involved (I suspect more came forward but it was covered up). It’s insulting to say that none of them speak up… and I think you’re wrong that the majority have broken the law and gotten away with it and the majority will cover for them. It’s just anti-police rhetoric.

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  106. Tarnished says:

    I’ve been reading up more about the different varieties of shit tests, and found a great set of explanations, particularly from the author of the Illimitable Men blog. He says that shit testing is basically unavoidable in one’s life…potential employers do it, spouses/dates do it, friends, classmates and coworkers do it. But he breaks it down into the differences between friendly banter, assaults on one’s frame, deliberately looking for weaknesses, etc.

    Using these definitions, it becomes obvious that my friends and I/my guy and I engage in banter-type shit tests all the time. I’d previously thought that all shit tests were negative and manipulative. Guess not!

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  107. Ame says:

    read this to my husband … his response!

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  108. Ame says:

    Spawny Get says:

    25 April, 2016 at 9:55 pm

    You do know that ‘Mary’ is slang for a ‘Magic fairy cave’, ‘Lady garden’, ‘Front bottom’ etc etc?

    Hence ‘Kobyashi Mary’ being most amusing indeed. Eminently upvote worthy.
    ——–

    no. had never heard that one before.

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  109. Ame says:

    Horseman says:

    25 April, 2016 at 11:35 pm

    “I really dont care what people think of my decisions especially my female boss. I make them and if im wrong im wrong. But I dont make them for pc.”
    ———————-

    I’ve never been in a work/career situation like this and, honestly, hope never to be.

    but I have lived this with my special needs daughter. there have been many, so many infinite situations where I’ve had to make a decision and move on. sometimes I get time to think about it, a lot of the times I don’t. I have made more enemies than friends over the years and really couldn’t care a less. those people have been/are in … her life for a short period of time. she has to be in her life for forever. most of the time I’ve got it right; sometimes I’ve not. but I don’t get to second guess myself a lot, so I face it, deal with it, say i’m sorry when I need to, ask forgiveness when I need to, and move onto the next thing … b/c with her, there is ALWAYS a next thing.

    honestly, it’s exhausting for me b/c I never have a break from her. if i’m not in her presence, i’m on-call. i’m the only one who knows everything and can help her.

    ——————————-

    so I admire men like you who can make those decisions. who just make the freakin decision and move on. I can do stuff like that if I have to, but I don’t like it, and I know the not-like-it part is b/c of my personality, so I just deal w/it.

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  110. Ame says:

    Dragonfly –

    “And the media comes immediately after that officer’s family, publishing their names and address and children’s information,”

    this is so wrong. if they have an issue with a person, so be it, but leave the family out of it. I’ve never liked how the media thinks they have any right they want while they say other’s rights are violated.

    if you and yours ever need to get away someplace, come on over. you are always welcome here 🙂

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  111. Cill says:

    You do know that ‘Mary’ is slang for a ‘Magic fairy cave’, ‘Lady garden’, ‘Front bottom’ etc etc?

    Didn’t know that one.

    Don’t call me merry.

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  112. SFC Ton says:

    I have done curvy girls back when it meant curvy; now it means fat bitch so no.

    Ton Spawn’s momma got back to her flat/ pierced belly button raging boner inducing goodness quickly… but old school legit curves sort of girls are good to go. Rare as hen teeth though.

    If your line of work has lady bosses you might want to think about a career change

    A friend of mine killed three urban youths who tried to rob him. In the 80’s. There is still an open murder investigation against him. We can also see what happened to Zimmermen but I reckon a month doesn’t go by without having to put negros in check. Price you pay for diversity and letting yankees vote

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  113. Spawny Get says:

    Seems it’s fairly rare, but…

    http://plancksconstant.org/es/blog1/2008/11/different_words_for_vagina.html
    hairy Mary – 1960s Irish – vagina and pubic hair

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  114. BuenaVista says:

    DF, every time a cop performs a hunch stop he’s breaking the law. Every time a cop is pulled over for speeding (while off-duty in his personal vehicle) and he hands the arresting officer his license and police ID, and he’s let off — both are breaking the law. Every time a cop walks his K-9 around a car and signals him to ‘alert’ in order to get a search — he’s breaking the law. Every time a cop cajoles a man to let him into his house, because an ex- says their child is “endangered”, he’s begging for a confrontation — which is breaking the law.

    Things go downhill from there. All cops know cops who break the law routinely, and they keep their mouths shut. To stay in the fraternity they are silent.

    This isn’t “anti-police” rhetoric, or any other kind of rhetoric. It’s how policing occurs, and how the tribe protects its own.

    If I confront a thug and put him on his back or worse, shoot him, I will be handcuffed on sight. An off-duty cop has no such concerns.

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  115. Spawny Get says:

    I’ll look it up in my (very thick) reference book on swear words at some point. ‘Roger’s Profanisaurus’. Available at all bad, bad bookshops and Amazon.
    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Rogers-Profanisaurus-Das-Krapital-Viz-ebook/dp/B004S81IYW

    A sample

    blotto adj. Blootered.
    blottopilot n. Inbuilt male homing device which secures a safe return to one’s house after a night on the sauce, whatever one’s level of inebriation. Often fitted to one’s beer scooter.
    blouse browse n. A swift, casual surf for skirt on the web.
    blouse hounds n. Shirt puppies which are getting a bit long in the tooth.
    blow a dog off a chain v. Aus. To let off with a severity sufficient to strip canines from their moorings.
    blowback 1. v. Of drug addicts, to puff smoke from a marijuana joint into another drug addict’s mouth. 2. n. A gobful of one’s own spangle thoughtfully passed on by a nosher. A snowball. 3. n. A potentially fatal blue dart ignition mishap.
    blowd n. A strange brown haze at the bottom of the lavvy made by a turd that has successfully resisted the flushing process. Poo tea, PG shits. From brown + cloud.

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  116. Choicy says:

    Ton I know old school legit curves sort of girls but they are all in one country and I’m NOT going to say who they are mate. or name the country. I think you all will be able to guess by now mates.

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  117. Cill says:

    I first thought it might have come from “Mary Anne” which is slang for “woman” (or so a bloke in Liverpool once told me).

    As I said mate, don’t call me Merry 😉

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  118. SFC Ton says:

    LOL w/ Choicy

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  119. SFC Ton says:

    I am anti police. Rotten to the core just like the govt

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  120. Spawny Get says:

    Also, highlights from the letterbocks pages of Viz.
    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Top-Tips-2-Viz/dp/1781060916

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  121. SFC Ton says:

    When I was in the military I was entrusted with the authority and responsibility to uphold certain standards because I myself exceeded those standards of performance, behavior, appearance etc

    Police do no such thing, I’ve seen drunk cops get passes on DUI’s and all sorts of things. Look at how the police acted during the Duke Lacrosse hoax…

    Back in the day we had peace officers, now we have law enforcement officials. Think on the difference between the two

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  122. Cill says:

    “blow a dog off a chain” is a pearler. Heard of that one, Choicy?

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  123. Choicy says:

    Yeah Cillo I know mate “blow a dog off a chain”. It’s as old as my tongue and a little older than my teeth, mate

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  124. Choicy says:

    Back to work for this honest plodder of a hard working Aussie. I’m a draught horse mates. See y’all later.
    Y’all is my American word for the day. 😉

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  125. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Choicy,
    I think that it comes from Spansih but, thete is an expression “Old as the hills and twice as dusty”

    Cill,
    Did you make a reference to SheWhoWillNotBeNamed upthread?

    Dragonfly,
    BV has spent a lot of his life in NYC. It seems that every twenty years, some big scandal goes down there. I don’t think that Frank Serpico will ever be able to come home.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Serpico

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  126. Cill says:

    A woman did ask me, “Do you think I have a fat butt?”

    I didn’t want to give her the satisfaction of such an obvious shit test, but I tried to be nice and sensitive about it, I really did. I romantically took her hand and led her to a full-length mirror, her reflection in profile, and I asked her nicely, “what do you think?”
    She said “But I what to know what you think. Do I have a fat butt?”
    I said “I agree with you.” It was the right thing to do.

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  127. BuenaVista says:

    Fuzzy, is there a reason why you’ve posted that clip 8000 times?

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  128. Cill says:

    It’s an antidote to Andrea Dworkin, one of the most unprepossessing feminists of all time.

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  129. Dragonfly says:

    LOL sorry Cill… accidentally liked your “blow a dog off a chain” comment! I have no idea what that means… kinda afraid to like it!

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  130. Cill says:

    Good fishing conditions out there. I be back shortly.

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  131. Dragonfly says:

    Post #3 in the series of the Proverbs 31 woman… “Her Husband Can Safely Trust in Her,”

    Disclaimer: strongly not recommended for men who automatically recoil at this title… looking at you BV 😉

    https://girlwithadragonflytattoo.com/2016/04/25/her-husband-can-safely-trust-in-her/

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  132. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Buena Vista,
    It’s that or Teddy Bears’ Picnic. Farm Boy expressed a preference.
    I have a thing about SheWhoWillNotBeNamed. She attempted to portray the silhouette of a bear.

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  133. BuenaVista says:

    Actually, the point of Proverbs 31 is to never give your strength to a woman. That is, the opposite of a man “trusting in her.” But thanks for the condescension about emotional reactions to blog titles.

    There’s some serious feminist re-writing to take Proverbs 31

    (“Do not spend your strength on women,
    your vigor on those who ruin kings.”

    and turn it into “Her husband can safely trust in her.”

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  134. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    About the discussion earlier on bad boys, it would seem what women want is clearly incompatible with long term and, certainly, marriage.

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  135. Dragonfly says:

    LOL BV, so I guess you’re calling God a feminist! Gasp!

    “The heart of her husband safely trusts her, he will have no lack of gain.” Proverbs 31:11

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  136. Cill says:

    I read the Bible translated into English in the days of James I. There’s a lot of good old blood and guts and bravery and betrayal and fathers shoving their daughters out the door in the hope that thugs on the doorstep would rape them rather than attack the household. The daughters were usually raped to death by the thugs, but what the hell.

    It was a great read.

    Then I started to read a modern rehash and couldn’t get past Genesis. I hope there are churches that stick to the old masterpiece. Otherwise it’s like a feminist rehash of Shakespeare.

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  137. SFC Ton says:

    BV isn’t calling God a feminist though given your support of a feminist troll it is likely he is calling you one

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  138. Ame says:

    Cill says:
    26 April, 2016 at 2:07 am
    “A woman did ask me, “Do you think I have a fat butt?”

    I didn’t want to give her the satisfaction of such an obvious shit test, but I tried to be nice and sensitive about it, I really did. I romantically took her hand and led her to a full-length mirror, her reflection in profile, and I asked her nicely, “what do you think?”
    She said “But I what to know what you think. Do I have a fat butt?”
    I said “I agree with you.” It was the right thing to do.”
    ———————————————————————————

    awesome 🙂

    if/when i ask my husband stupid stuff like that, he never takes it seriously. he’s just not gonna play that game, so it was funny when he came up with that video … or at least i thought it was funny 🙂

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  139. Ame says:

    Tarn –
    ” I told him that was stupid, since I obviously wanted him. It was a-ok after that, thank goodness!

    Geez. What wringers his previous women have put him through.😦 😠”

    ————————————————-

    you have a beautiful heart 🙂

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  140. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Cill,
    The bit about sacrificing daughters must have come from the story of Lot. While he lived in Sodom, angels came to warn and lead him and his family to safety. The Sosomites expressed an interest in the angels and Lot refused, complying with the custom of protecting travellers. He even offered his daughters as an alternative. They didn’t buy it but, still went away.
    We may be more uncivilized now in places.

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  141. Ame says:

    fuzziewuzziebear says:
    26 April, 2016 at 4:43 am

    “The bit about sacrificing daughters must have come from the story of Lot. …He even offered his daughters as an alternative. They didn’t buy it but, still went away.
    We may be more uncivilized now in places.”

    yeah … we’re more uncivilized now in some places … like the parents who trade their daughters for drugs (i’ve known some of those) … guy comes in w/drugs for mom, mom sends guy to back bedroom where daughter is sleeping, mom keeps drugs.

    or even like when my sweet niece was in daycare many years ago, and a teacher got mad, yanked her by the arm and broke her arm. she was about 3 years old.

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  142. Ame says:

    you Canadian guys …

    a friend of mine is visiting her sister and fam in Canada and posting lots of pics on fb. WOW! it is SOOO beautiful!!!

    does the beauty make up for the cold?

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  143. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Ame,
    It’s hard to “like” your last comment but, it makes a point. The more I hear about day care, the worse it gets. I am sorry for your neice.

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  144. Ame says:

    Choicy says:
    26 April, 2016 at 1:48 am
    “Back to work for this honest plodder of a hard working Aussie. I’m a draught horse mates. See y’all later.
    Y’all is my American word for the day.😉”
    ———————–

    awesome, Choicy 🙂

    so what’s our Aussie word of the day? (make it kid-friendly so i can actually use it in my home … not that my kids are not colorful-vocabulary-enlightened … but still 🙂 )

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  145. Ame says:

    Fuzzie – there are things in this world we just cannot like. My niece is 25 now, and thanks to my sister, it was all handled well. but let me tell ya … those who think they do not have the propensity to be violent have never been in a situation that could call for it.

    i’m so grateful my girls never knew daycare. my youngest aspie-girl would have died in daycare.

    and those i’ve known in the former situation … i have no words.

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  146. Cill says:

    Fuzzy there was Lot and also another part, which involved a concubine. In the Judges part of the Bible, Ephraim sends out his concubine to a group of angry men who gang rape her. She crawls back to the doorstep, but Ephraim won’t let her back inside, and leaves her out there all night to die. Then in the morning, they cut her into 12 pieces and send them to the Twelve Tribes of Israel.

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  147. Cill says:

    I don’t go to church. I read the Bible once, but have never studied it and wouldn’t know how to interpret it.

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  148. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    That is why I couldn’t address it. There are no words.

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  149. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    I never read the part about Ephraim. That is the definition of cold and cruel.
    Bad boy enough for modern women?

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  150. Ame says:

    Cill – if you like to read, esp the first half of the bible is really interesting. you don’t have to try to interpret it – most of it is self-explanatory. you can download probably every version for free. the one i like the best b/c i think it’s the easiest to read is the NLT for new living translation.

    if you want to read about badass men … the old testament … or the first 2/3 of the bible, is full of them – just start in the first chapter of the whole book. if you want erotica, the Song of Solomon is a good read, too – although knowing the terms of the time can help to interpret that one. if you want wisdom, including wisdom about bad women, read Proverbs. if life seems like, ‘what the hell, anyway,’ … then Ecclesiastes is a good read.

    if Christians actually followed the bible, feminism would not exist.

    (fyi – the bible is divided into two parts – one called The Old Testament covering the time before Jesus, the other called The New Testament covering the time beginning with Jesus).

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  151. Cill says:

    Thanks for that info Ames. The version I read was the James I version. I read the old testament which included the parts you mentioned. Some great verse in Psalms. I have been to churches for funerals. Great old songs e,g, “Guide me o thou great jehova”. Wow.

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  152. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Something that belongs in the WTF file.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3553343/Man-sent-abusive-texts-REFUSING-sleep-woman-date.html?printingPage=true

    All the advice that I have seen has told me to not press on the first date.

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  153. Spawny Get says:

    No wonder he’s such a staunch believer in securing your borders
    http://speisa.com/modules/articles/index.php/item.2739/obama-we-consider-it-a-major-national-security-issue-that-you-have-uncontrolled-migration-into-europe.html

    US President Barack Obama is concerned about the excessive and uncontrolled immigration into Europe, it emerged at a press conference Friday.

    Obama recently visited Britain, where he met Prime Minister David Cameron. On Friday, they held a joint press conference when Obama suddenly spoke up and came with unusually sharp criticism of Europe for taking in so many immigrants from the Third World.

    “What happens in Europe is going to have an impact in the United States,” Obama said. “We consider it a major national security issue that you have uncontrolled migration into Europe. Not because these folks are coming into the United States, but because if it destabilizes Europe, our largest trading block, trading partner, it’s going to be bad for our economy.”

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  154. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Spawny Get,
    “Huh?” That was unexpected.

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  155. Spawny Get says:

    I’m not sure that the source has great insight, but it occasionally brings up some interesting ideas.

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  156. Ame says:

    fuzziewuzziebear says:

    26 April, 2016 at 7:56 am

    Something that belongs in the WTF file.
    ———-

    that is just beyond me. she doesn’t deserve any man.

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  157. Cill says:

    That’s it! When we (the men of my family) sang it at a funeral we sang in our usual way – at full throat – and heard afterward that the volume gave the regulars of the church a fright at the start and then everybody sang louder than usual as well.

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  158. Cill says:

    “We consider it a major national security issue that you have uncontrolled migration into Europe. Not because these folks are coming into the United States, but because if it destabilizes Europe, our largest trading block, trading partner, it’s going to be bad for our economy.”

    The barefaced hypocrisy of it, the sanctimonious prat.

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  159. Spawny Get says:

    Even betterer

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  160. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Ame,
    I am still scratching my head wondering where she gets off. Men can’t be entitled to that extent. Not even rockstars. One commenter thought that she might be a borderline personality disorder.

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  161. Cill says:

    Someone should tell Obama, Let he who is without sin cast the first stone
    (I’m reading the new testament right now)

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  162. Spawny Get says:

    Crowd control intiative?

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  163. Spawny Get says:

    And the classic from Not The Nine O’Clock News – NTNON

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  164. Cill says:

    The words “E.C. Cases Tubal Cain Foundry” from Spawny’s “Failed in Wales” video at 9:56 am. Remember the old poem?

    OLD Tubal Cain was a man of might,
    In the days when earth was young;
    By the fierce red light of his furnace bright,
    The strokes of his hammer rung:
    And he lifted high his brawny hand
    On the iron glowing clear,
    Till the sparks rushed out in scarlet showers,
    As he fashioned the sword and the spear.
    And he sang: “Hurrah for my handiwork!
    Hurrah for the spear and the sword!
    Hurrah for the hand that wields them well,
    For he shall be king and lord.”

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  165. Spawny Get says:

    Off to do stuff, leaving you with this

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  166. Tarnished says:

    All the advice that I have seen has told me to not press on the first date.

    Doesn’t matter who presses, Fuzzie. If either person says No, it should be respected. That goes for men as well as women.

    Someone should tell Obama, Let he who is without sin cast the first stone

    I doubt he’d care.
    Politicians are weird like that.

    I am still scratching my head wondering where she gets off. Men can’t be entitled to that extent. Not even rockstars.

    Oh, there most definitely are men who think they are that entitled, Fuzzie. I don’t know about rock stars…never met any…but I can tell you stories. I won’t though. They’d make you sad/angry about our species. Why do you think I’m a misanthrope? People really do suck a decent amount of the time.

    Not because these folks are coming into the United States, but because if it destabilizes Europe, our largest trading block, trading partner, it’s going to be bad for our economy.

    Wow.

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  167. Tarnished says:

    does the beauty make up for the cold?

    It doesn’t hurt.

    you have a beautiful heart

    No. Parts of it are. Other parts are not so nice to look at, given the actions I’ve seriously contemplated doing in the past. I didn’t do them, but they do stain one regardless.

    However, you’d be correct in saying that I only let the bright pieces influence how I treat others. That’s more accurate.

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  168. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Tarn,
    Again, I am a cinnamon roll. It’s just not the way I go about it.

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  169. Tarnished says:

    or even like when my sweet niece was in daycare many years ago, and a teacher got mad, yanked her by the arm and broke her arm. she was about 3 years old.

    What an absolutely shitty person. I hope they were convicted of child abuse *and* were fired?

    It was a great read.

    As with ancient texts, there’s always going to be things we currently do or don’t like about history. Point is that it can still be learned from, whether you attach religious significance to it or not.

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  170. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    I have to take that back. There were some instances. The women were as enthusiastic as I was.

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  171. Cill says:

    Do churches still use the version I read, which was the first translation of the Bible into English? I later read parts of a modernified version, and it was ordinary. The Bible had lost its power. They castrated the Bible, I reckon.

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  172. Tarnished says:

    I have to take that back. There were some instances. The women were as enthusiastic as I was.

    Ah. So you’re a…sinnamon roll? 😉

    But seriously, that’s great. Two people having enthusiastic, fun sexytimes together is a good thing.

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  173. Tarnished says:

    When I go with my sisters to their Catholic church, I see the New American Bible being used. However, my love is Episcopalian, and his church makes use of KJV. It really depends.

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  174. Tarnished says:

    The women were as enthusiastic as I was.

    What did you think of them afterwards?

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  175. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Tarn,
    I LIKED THEM!*happy face*

    Cill,
    Catholics have always used a different translation. I don’t know what the Orthodox have done.It is not by chance that the first book published by Gutenburg was the Bible. This was the most dangerous action of the time because it allowed people to read and form their own conclusions independent of clergy. Until then, they had full control.

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  176. Tarnished says:

    I LIKED THEM!*happy face*

    I’m relieved to hear that, Fuzzie. It made my day, so thanks!
    It’s nice to know there *are* other men like mine out there. 🙂

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  177. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Tarn,
    Wouldn’t that be the most natural reaction?

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  178. Reading but can’t think of anything to add. 🙂

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  179. Tarnished says:

    Fuzzie,
    To people like us…apparently.
    In other parts of the ‘sphere and dating world…not so much.

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  180. Tarnished says:

    Could always do your little “la la la” thing, Bloom. 😉

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  181. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Tarn,
    I don’t think that it will always be fireworks. As for that, young women need to be told that to prevent later accusations when things don’t work out.

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  182. Tarnished says:

    I don’t think that it will always be fireworks.

    Of course not. To believe so is folly.

    As for that, young women need to be told that to prevent later accusations when things don’t work out.

    Yes. Or just taught basic morals, so that such accusations aren’t even thought of in the first place.

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  183. BuenaVista says:

    Cill, my experience is that most churches use a 20th century translation — an updating — of the King James version you reference. Aside from its approachability (few people read Shakespeare, after all) the various new versions allow committees of popular theologians to subtly revise the Bible’s former meanings. At Sunday School and when I was doing scriptural study with two local pastors and a religion prof, I find that pointing out the creeping feminism and corruption of the new texts raises hackles and great alarm. These guys practice a feminized, debauched Christianity that invert Christian teaching to celebrate female authority.

    It’s irrelevant to you, as you are not church-going, but I always have the NSV or whatever 20th century vernacular version a church adopts open — but next to the KJV (yours). Sometimes it’s stunning to see the lying that emerges in the new versions: For example, when “sons” (KJV) is translated to “children” (more inclusive and egalitarian, don’t you know). It gets really quiet, and then quite emotional, when one points out that “sons” is not synonymous with “children.”

    DF actually provides a great example of just such an impulse. Proverbs 31 is not about subordinating a man’s agency before the awesome awesomeness of a wife’s heart — just the opposite, actually. It is a warning to men to never buckle before a woman’s charms; “strength” is not synonymous with “trust.” When one points this out, one receives just such a throwaway gibe such as “so God is a feminist, you’re saying.”

    In regard to our present days, we might well trust in a woman’s heart, were we to find one who subscribes to God’s law. But we must never invest our strength in her, even if we think we’ve stumbled into one. There is no scriptural direction to subordinate ourselves to, or render ourselves dependent upon, “a woman’s heart.” That’s actually quite a major sin if one examines each of the 1000 pages. There is no Biblical direction to be saved by a woman’s love, although that is mainstream pseudo-Christian cant. Women are 70% of the audience at most churches, and women control the offertory (tithing), and pastors know, therefore, who’s buttering their bread. Dalrock covers this subject in immense detail, as does David Murray in his book Why Men Don’t Go To Church.

    There’s an awful lot of red pill direction in Proverbs 31. Obviously it is utterly incompatible with a churchian conviction that a good churchian man will invert God’s law (love one’s wife as Christ loves the Church) to become honor one’s wife as the church must follow Jesus.

    This insight, however, like most RP insights, is one more proof of Deti’s theorum: you can’t discuss it with women. They are likely to go full shriek and say they aren’t submitting to any old retrograde patriarchal man. This is why so many churchgoing men are miserable, frightened and confused: masculinity, as well as scriptural commands to lead, direct and protect, is toxic to your average pastor. When a woman, on average, states that she seeks “a good Christian man” who follows Jesus, she’s really saying that Jesus is her boyfriend and her husband needs to man up! and accept his subordinate role (cuckolded by Jesus).

    I have finessed this subject a few times in noting that female submission to her man is not a concept that proves Gloria Steinem is right, that Christianity enslaves females as barefoot and pregnant baby machines. Rather I note that we are to submit to a larger reality (our marriages, sanctified by God) than the claims of our own desires and personalities. That there is an abstraction in Christian married love that we ought to worship. But most feminists, of course, worship the claims of the self, the claims of the feelz, and somehow capricious self-indulgence is transformed into an Eat Pray Love license.

    I think that this misconception of Christian marriage and sexual roles is at the heart of the failing popular churches, hence my fairly strident response to DF’s rewrite of Proverbs 31.

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  184. Dragonfly says:

    That Levite from Ephraim was truly horrible, Cill, I remember reading that when I was about 15 and was so angry. People have always been evil, and if I remember right, only the Benjaminite tribe suffered for that (the man himself appeared to get off). I may be wrong, but I’m fairly certain he was a great grandson of Abraham’s – and we were amazed how someone so evil can come from a family that was supposedly so spiritual.

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  185. Dragonfly says:

    That last line in Judges also is very telling…

    “In those days, there was no king in Israel, and everyone did whatever they wanted.”

    They weren’t following God, and they had no king.

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  186. BuenaVista says:

    That text exchange with the woman who went to all the trouble of shaving her legs and shit, and still didn’t get laid on demand, is pretty funny. Of course, her rejection led her to wonder aloud if he had a small dick. That’s so clever!

    I was chastized a few months ago for … not delivering enough anal. (There are two types of women: those who say “Ewww, icky you perv” and those who’ve crossed the rubicon and can’t live without it, buster.) As the noted philosopher Roseanne Roseannadanna clarifies: “If it’s not one thing, it’s another …”

    Imagine the fun if the roles were reversed, and a frustrated man said, “Gee, do you have an enormous and unresponsive post-childbirth vagina? Or does it just smell pretty bad?”

    Same shit, different day.

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  187. BuenaVista says:

    One of the better interviews with Camille Paglia, who never fails to articulate the hate and will-to-power of second generation feminists, in tones both thoughtful and amusing. (Amusing: comparing the elegance of Suzanne Pleshette, with the lumpen banality of Lena Dunham.)

    View story at Medium.com

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  188. SFC Ton says:

    The Old Testament is definitely the men’s department of the Bible but not all the intell it relays is designed to describe proper masculine behavior

    As for Lot, that is a tough call though my assumption has always been him offering up his daughters had to do with the hierarchy of value. He offered up something he valued, his daughters, to persevere something he valued more, servants of the Lord. Sort of like Abraham willing to kill his son, to offer up his most prized worldly possession for an even greater cause

    We make the same sort of decisions here in the modern world, but people church up the situation and do not use blunt and honest language like the OT does

    I am an Old School King James man, but there are problems there too. My favorite example is “Thou shall not murder” being turned into “Thou shall not kill”

    World of difference right there.

    This has been on my mind a lot lately, with the so called pro life people melting down over Trump saying something like if abortion was illegal he’d punish women who got an abortion. Modern Christians are limped wrist’ed fags so they weep at the thought. I pray for a burning bush type event telling me to use my skill set against child murders

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  189. SFC Ton says:

    preach it brother BV

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  190. Yeesh Ton. Even for you that was a bit much.

    La la la…

    Goodmorning! New day. Thankfully. Yesterday was spent dealing with dramatic theatrical pointless bs created by people who are supposed to be adults. Minor stuff but highly annoying. Egads I hope they got it all out of their systems yesterday!

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  191. Cautiously Pessimistic says:

    My favorite example is “Thou shall not murder” being turned into “Thou shall not kill”

    My understanding is the words weren’t changed, but the meaning of the word “kill” drifted over time. Back in KJV days, killing didn’t have the morally ambiguous meaning it has today. “Justified killing” would have been an oxymoron.

    A distinction without a difference, maybe; but it points away from intentional subversion of scripture, and more towards the ravages of time on our language.

    Plus, it lets me spout off and sound smart about something important.

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  192. SFC Ton says:

    LOL awesome CP and good to see you.

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  193. SFC Ton says:

    Then you do not want to read my next blog post

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  194. BuenaVista says:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/04/26/why-oklahoma-cops-are-returning-53000-to-a-christian-band-an-orphanage-and-a-church/?hpid=hp_hp-more-top-stories_wb-forfeiture-935am%3Ahomepage%2Fstory

    How the police seize citizen assets without probable cause or even the burden to prove guilt of any crime. This guy got lucky because the Post and the I of J took after the cops.

    Note also, civil asset forfeiture is a big business because in most states the cops are allowed to keep whatever they seize. In Iowa, for example, the State Police cooperate with Illinois to target west-bound travelers on the interstate, and have a special team dedicated to self-funding state police activities via these stolen assets. In a recent case a cop stated that a targeted car changed lanes without signalling (the cop’s own video camera disproved this), stopped a car, and removed $110K that the professional gamblers had one in an Illinois casino. Later the state said they could have “most” of it back.

    Think it won’t happen to you?

    Two years ago I was receiving emergency medical care while waiting for the helicopter to fly me out (I was dying, iow, chest pump, IV, morphine, etc.). The police visited and interrupted emergency medical treatment to pursue two revenue opportunities: Demanding I take a breathalyzer, and demanding to know why I had $1700 in my billfold.

    When I was next flown to the urban hospital, and had my clothes cut off and valuables inventoried, another cop demanded to know how I came to have $1700 on my person.

    Under current law police are rewarded for seizing cash for any reason, because current law says simply that possessing cash is indicative of illicit drug proceeds. They don’t have to witness a crime or otherwise build a case for criminal behavior.

    This is a good illustration between the notion (Ton’s terms) of a peace officer and a law enforcement officer.

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  195. Yoda says:

    United Kingdom on April 19 updated its travel advisory to the United States, adding that “LGBT travellers may be affected by legislation passed recently in the states of North Carolina and Mississippi,” linking readers to the Human Rights Campaign, a lobbying body and political action committee that donates heavily to Democrat causes, for further information.

    The U.K. might want to hurry and patch its travel advice for LGBT citizens headed to Bangladesh. “Local laws reflect the fact that Bangladesh is a mainly Islamic country,” reads the site, adding, “You should respect local traditions, customs, laws and religions at all times and be aware of your actions to ensure that they do not offend other cultures or religious beliefs.”

    Strangely, the U.S. travel advisory makes no mention of respecting local religious customs, while the travel advice for Bangladesh has no link to LGBT travel guidelines. It probably should, as Bangladeshi gay rights activist and Julhas Mannan and a companion were hacked to death Monday by Islamic extremists, who delivered a package full of machetes to Mannan’s apartment.

    http://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2016/04/26/uks-lgbt-travel-advisories-which-name-us-states-might-also-note-machete-attack-in-bangladesh/

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  196. Yoda says:


    Her majesty insisted President Obama bring no more than three choppers to her 90th birthday celebration

    After his entourage of twelve helicopters ruined the grass in Queen Elizabeth’s Windsor Castle gardens during a 2011 visit, the Obama administration’s attempts to bring an extensive security detail were no match for the Queen’s insistence.

    http://legalinsurrection.com/2016/04/queen-you-can-bring-only-3-choppers-obama/

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  197. Cill says:

    BV,
    the various new versions allow committees of popular theologians to subtly revise the Bible’s former meanings.
    Far be it from me to hold forth as an expert, but that’s what I found: the former meanings were weakened or altered by PC.

    I read the old testament beginning to end when in my teens. I sleep an average of 4 hours a night, and had run out of reading material in the house. I found a leather-bound Bible with the signature of an ancestor scrawled inside the cover. It was a fine looking tome. For many a night it provided me with magnificent reading material. I didn’t find the old language difficult. Longfellow’s “Hiawatha” was the first thing I ever read. An older family member had shown me the printed words and pointed at them while he recited them. Because of the rhythm I was able to remember them.

    A Christian friend of mine (male) once told me a bunch of feminists and PC academics got their heads together and castrated the Bible. If I was a believer, male or female, I’d be pretty pissed off that feminists have changed “the word of God”.

    “creeping feminism and corruption of the new texts ” (as you put it) is certainly the way I see it, although I should remind myself of my former caveat here, that I’m something of an ignoramus when it comes to Christianity. I should avoid debates on the Bible, as I’m not knowledgeable enough to get involved.

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  198. Moehau Man says:

    nobody besides Liz and Cill have ever used real pictures of themselves.

    Darth Maul and Moehau Man also they have?”

    Yes well, me avatar uses a photo some foreign sheila snapped of me on the beach. I wasn’t wearing a codpiece at the time, and she shreiked and her finger knee-jerked on the shutter. I’m pretty sure she doctored up the photo to make it more presentable. “However”, Mrs Moehau Man (my artistic old mum) points out, “the sharp-eyed among you will detect the subtle beauty of Moehau Man shining through”.

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  199. SFC Ton says:

    Friend of mine lost $2500 because some cops thought it was weird a guy in a blacked out high end German car was in their AO.

    I much prefer the honest banditry of the cops in mexico then the ones here in the usa

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  200. Moehau Man says:

    “This blog”, Mrs Moehau Man (my on-topic old mum) points out, “this blog post features a photo comparing weak and strong male faces. Behold the manly Moehau Man, ye foreigners! Look upon his brow-ridge and despair.”

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  201. SFC Ton says:

    new post on my place; again not for the squeamish

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  202. Dragonfly says:

    “DF actually provides a great example of just such an impulse. Proverbs 31 is not about subordinating a man’s agency before the awesome awesomeness of a wife’s heart — just the opposite, actually. It is a warning to men to never buckle before a woman’s charms; “strength” is not synonymous with “trust.””

    I really don’t have the energy to argue with you BV… but verse 11 about him trusting his wife is there, even in the original translations. It’s not wise to trust *any* woman, and the verse you mentioned in that passage about not giving your strength to a woman still applies. One doesn’t disqualify the other, the key to him trusting in her is that she’s proven to be worthy of his trust.

    When I try to point out that both verses are valid, you accuse me of “rewriting” Proverbs 31… never had a detractor accuse me of rewriting the Bible before, definitely a new one.

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  203. BuenaVista says:

    The problem with being a cafeteria Christian, and most are, is that cherry-picking lines of text out of context in order to confirm a personal bias, obviates the need to read a dense and often ambiguous document logically and reasonably.

    Does Proverbs 31 make sense if a line of text about “trust” controls direction never to give one’s strength to a woman? No. Does it make sense if the notion of wifely trust is subordinate to the notion that one should never give one’s strength to a woman? Yes.

    There’s no need to play the victim (“never had a detractor accuse me of rewriting the Bible before, definitely a new one”) DF, or play the put-upon mature adult in the room (“I don’t have the energy to argue with you …”) as though I’m an annoying child. Perhaps this is just a case of two adults disagreeing, and one of them being correct.

    I mean, we are both adults, right? By descending into shaming and poor-poor-pitiful-me stuff, DF, you’re just doing what all those awful pseudo-Christian women do to you on your blog, trying to make you change because you post attractive photographs. I have never disrespected you and certainly don’t think disagreement is disrespect.

    Anyway, for me the joy of reading the Bible is its inherent contradictions, ambiguities and poetic undercurrents. The difficulty, for me, of retail Christianity is the desire of people to reduce it to happy self-serving talking points. Comfort-food Christianity, in other words. The Bible is not self-explanatory, nor is it even internally consistent. God granted us powers of reason and interpretation for a purpose.

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  204. BuenaVista says:

    When I was stumbling home from the clubs in Russia at 3 a.m. I knew there would be a toll: a uniformed policeman who needed to be paid off. This was an honest transaction. 300 rubles and a fresh Marlboro, you might even get a smile and a pat on the back.

    When I was walking about Russia with a camera during daylight, and some asshole with a bad haircut was always lighting a cigarette when I turned around to make him? A dishonest transaction.

    Which encounter best reflects your last traffic stop in the USA?

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  205. Cill says:

    As an “outsider”, and without intending to contribute to the debate, my own impression of the Bible is:

    1. It contains ancient artistic verse.

    2. It contains history.

    3. It contains stories, in which historical accuracy is irrelevant to the intent or purpose behind them.

    4. It doesn’t specify which parts are #2 and which parts are #3, and this omission has nothing to do with deceit.

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  206. Cill says:

    The False Rape Industry Can Now Get You For Pissing Off People Outside Of Your Relationships” (antifeministtech)

    For a man to be a victim of the false rape industry, it used to be that a woman (usually who had sex with the man) actually had to make an accusation against that man. Thanks to the reclassification of rape as a civil rights violation such standards of due process no longer need to be followed. At Colorado State University – Pueblo, a male athlete and his female trainer start a relationship. Everything during the relationship was consensual, but another person made a complaint to the university that the trainer was raped. The trainer strenuously disagreed saying, “I’m fine and I wasn’t raped.” That didn’t stop the athlete from getting expelled from the university for rape.

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  207. Ame says:

    Tarn –

    “you have a beautiful heart

    No. Parts of it are. Other parts are not so nice to look at, given the actions I’ve seriously contemplated doing in the past. I didn’t do them, but they do stain one regardless.”

    me, too. that’s the part that makes you human.
    ————————————————————–
    “However, you’d be correct in saying that I only let the bright pieces influence how I treat others. That’s more accurate.”

    that’s the part that makes it beautiful

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  208. Ame says:

    BV –
    “In regard to our present days, we might well trust in a woman’s heart, were we to find one who subscribes to God’s law. But we must never invest our strength in her, even if we think we’ve stumbled into one. There is no scriptural direction to subordinate ourselves to, or render ourselves dependent upon, “a woman’s heart.” That’s actually quite a major sin if one examines each of the 1000 pages. There is no Biblical direction to be saved by a woman’s love, although that is mainstream pseudo-Christian cant.”

    something I’ve recognized and thought but not been able to well articulate, as you have here. girls and women are taught, either blatantly or subtly that they are the savior of the males, that males NEED them to be _______ (fill in the blank).
    ——————————————-

    “This is why so many churchgoing men are miserable, frightened and confused: masculinity, as well as scriptural commands to lead, direct and protect, is toxic to your average pastor. When a woman, on average, states that she seeks “a good Christian man” who follows Jesus, she’s really saying that Jesus is her boyfriend and her husband needs to man up! and accept his subordinate role (cuckolded by Jesus).”

    yes, I agree. one of the, probably the main, thing I loved about my husband when I met him as that he wasn’t churchy, church-ified, or however else one might want to say it. I remember when I told one woman from a church I had attended before my divorce that I was getting married, the first thing she said was, “Is he a godly man?” to which I simply replied, “He loves God.” any other explanation would have been wasted as the (generally speaking) church-going-woman’s definition of ‘godly man’ is greatly distorted at best.

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  209. Cill says:

    BV and Ame, church-goers in NZ tell me there are hardly any men left in the churches. The problem is much as you two describe.

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  210. Tarnished says:

    Which encounter best reflects your last traffic stop in the USA?

    I get stopped by the cops in my general area about once a month. This isn’t an exaggeration. Though I follow all traffic laws, do not speed, and am diligent about signaling, I also drive home at 1-2am every Saturday morning. The times I’ve asked “what’s the problem, officer?” I will only get “where are you coming from/where are you going/how much have you had to drink tonight?” as a reply.

    It used to freak me out when I was a 16 year old driver…now it’s just expected and annoying. Have my license and registration in my left hand, right hand on the wheel, be polite while realize the cop talks to you and tries to smell alcohol on my breath…of which there never is any, because we don’t drink when we game. I realize that the cops are looking for drunks, but c’mon. I’m not driving erratically in any way, shape, or form. Like I said, annoying, but never had any of my stuff or money stolen.

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  211. Tarnished says:

    Thank you for your kind words, Ame.

    Cill,
    That is pretty much how I view the Bible (or any religious text) as well. They are quite interesting to read!

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  212. Tarnished says:

    church-goers in NZ tell me there are hardly any men left in the churches

    Tis the same in the ones I attend at the behest of friends and family. Anywhere from 70-80% of the pews/chairs are female.

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  213. Ame says:

    Moehau Man says:

    26 April, 2016 at 7:16 pm

    “This blog”, Mrs Moehau Man (my on-topic old mum)”
    ————–

    Moehau Man … please let your Mom know I enjoy what she graciously shares with us out here 🙂

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  214. Ame says:

    have not thought about versions of the bible since the KJV being feminized … I will be pondering this for quite some time.

    I’ve always been determined to research the original meanings of the text, esp when there seems to be a discord, rather than assume it means what I want it to mean.

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  215. Ame says:

    Tarnished says:

    26 April, 2016 at 10:30 pm

    Thank you for your kind words, Ame.
    ==================

    Tarn, I know you’ve been through hell, and then some; I can’t even imagine so much of what you’ve been through. but I hope that you can see the beauty inside you, the good inside you, because it’s there. for all you’ve been through, you could be a cruel person and justify being so, but you choose differently. you care and love deeply. I hope you see this in you. it’s easy for those of us who’ve been so demeaned in our tender childhoods to believe all those lies; it’s work to believe the truth. I hope you choose the truth.

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  216. Dragonfly says:

    Not trying to sound put-upon or condescending, BV, I just literally don’t have the mental energy to argue with someone who sees police and their tactics from an opposite viewpoint when I’m with our baby (it’s idiotic of me to spend my energy that way really), so I just wanted to leave that alone. I don’t want to spend the energy I do have arguing my view on it, because it wouldn’t convince you anyway, and it would just be a waste of both of our time. It’s not that I saw you as a child at all (!!!) More that I see you as a mature man (you know your own mind) that I don’t want to argue with because I understand he feels the way he feels and I can’t change what he thinks.

    On the Proverbs 31 chapter, I actually agree with you that vs. 11 doesn’t trump vs. 3. You’re right, a man should never give his strength to a woman, even when he is capable of trusting her. I was never trying to say otherwise, and *didn’t* say otherwise, was just teasing you earlier about having a negative reaction to the title since I was sure you’d laugh at the notion of ever trusting a woman. Arguing that point about the verses when we actually both believe the *same* thing is unnecessarily frustrating to me.

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  217. Tarnished says:

    it’s work to believe the truth. I hope you choose the truth.

    I do, Ame. As I hope you (and others here…you know who you are) do as well. I just live with a lot of “what-ifs”, especially at night when the day is done and all is quiet. Trying to live in the present can be more difficult at those times, for related reasons.

    But hey, things are better now for us, and will hopefully stay that way or keep going. 🙂 🏆

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  218. SFC Ton says:

    I reckon trying to defend the indefensible is mentally draining

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  219. Ame says:

    Tarn –
    “I just live with a lot of “what-ifs”, especially at night when the day is done and all is quiet. Trying to live in the present can be more difficult at those times, for related reasons.”

    ‘what-if’s’ are killers 😦

    i’m actually better at night than in the morning … hummm … wonder if that’s why i’m a night person and don’t like mornings. will have to ponder that some 🙂

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  220. Tarnished says:

    ‘What-if’s are killers

    Yeah. Everyone has them now and then. Trick is learning to let ’em go.

    I love my days off, because then I can either sleep in (til 8am, wooo!) or, far more likely, take an afternoon nap. Gods above, but I love me a nap in the sun, underneath my heavy blanket. It’s always my best sleep! Too bad that indulging too often would mess up one’s circadian rhythms. :/

    What don’t you like about mornings?

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  221. SFC Ton says:

    What don’t you like about mornings?

    leaving my bed with my two hotties and my dogs in it to deal with the days bullshit

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  222. Dragonfly says:

    “sleep in (till 8am…”

    LOL Tarn!! You sound like you have kids!

    I remember when sleeping in meant until 11am… sigh

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  223. Ame says:

    Tarn –
    “What don’t you like about mornings?”

    the answer to that would be for a private email convo 🙂

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  224. Tarnished says:

    Heh. I’ll leave that one alone then, Ame. 😉

    Nope, no kids in my abode, Dragonfly. Just a fat guinea pig, 3 parakeets, and 2 cockatiels. All rescues. The piggy is a lazybones, but the birds wake up and ask to come out/be fed as soon as the sky starts to lighten.

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  225. Ame says:

    many things are best left alone 😉

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  226. Liz says:

    Hm. I’m no Biblical expert, but I always interpreted Psalms 31 (the “don’t give your strength to a woman” portion) as a reference to authority.
    The next bit, describes the woman of nobelest character. One can tell by the context “more precious than rubies” that this is extremely rare. From my personpective, it’s more a guide for the woman than the man (“be like this”).

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  227. Liz says:

    Oops..I meant Proverbs 31.
    See what I mean? Long time.
    🙂

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  228. Dragonfly says:

    New post finally up… my husband patiently sat with me a lot the last few days as I worked on this one!!
    https://girlwithadragonflytattoo.com/2016/04/27/his-wife-is-over-flowing-with-goodness/

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  229. copperfox3c says:

    For as much as we want to bitch about women, Feminism has also largely been an abdication by men of their masculine frame, and the duties that go along with that.

    Feminism was a societal-wide shit test, and we failed.

    The consequences are clear … without masculine men, men suffer, women suffer, children suffer, and society-at-large is the worse for it.

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  230. SFC Ton says:

    as I said before it was weak men ie betas who bought into feminism because it removed their masculine authority. and any one who has had real authority will tell you its a burden

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  231. Ame says:

    SFC Ton says:
    27 April, 2016 at 5:36 pm
    “and any one who has had real authority will tell you its a burden”
    ========

    you’ve defined something i’ve been working through.

    though he screwed up in many ways, and hurt our girls a ton, my girls’ dad also did a some things right. and there were plans he had with and for our girls that would be playing out right now had he lived (and kept to those plans; something he punted on sometimes).

    he had, when he accepted it, an authority over our girls that i depended upon, and they did, too. an authority we needed.

    with him gone, it’s all on me, and it’s taken time for me to see the bigger picture of that and adjust to it. it is a burden, and not one i’m carrying well, in my personal opinion. my girls would not agree, but they’re too young to see the difference of what it possibly could be if he were here.

    i know this isn’t the same scale of authority as you’ve had in your career, but on my little level, it’s huge for me.

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  232. Cill says:

    copperfox3c Feminism has also largely been an abdication by men of their masculine frame.

    Sycophantic men are every bit as responsible. They are not as inherently batty as feminists, which means they have even less of an excuse.

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