Anti-Male Advertising – A Look at the Mentality Inside It


These campaigns for girls are equally campaigns against boys. Already there are deeply entrenched biases against boys across the board. At universities, for example, girl graduates outnumber boy graduates by almost 2 to 1. The average income of women under 30 is already higher than that of men under 30. The myriad of pro-girl campaigns – grants, courses, quotas, affirmative action, and propaganda to diminish the human male and the competitiveness of boys – continues unabated.

Ignorance or Cynicism?

The foregoing advertisement is a regurgitation of those same old wearisome feminist bugbears that have plagued us for so long:

  • The failure to differentiate between equality of opportunity and equality of outcome.
  • The failure to understand that the quality and quantity of output will affect reward, promotion, and curriculum vitae.

In attributing the advertisement to ignorance, I’m giving it the benefit of the doubt. It may be more accurately attributable to cynicism. It’s hard to believe the ANZ Bank lacks the resources to ascertain the facts.

The ANZ “Face-Slap” Advertisement:

For an insight into the mentality behind these “ignorant” efforts to persuade the public, we can look at an earlier advertisement of the ANZ Bank and a complaint lodged with the ASA (Advertising Standards Authority) 13 July 2010.

The advertisement presented two versions of an encounter between a male and two female co-workers at an office water cooler. In one version, the three co-workers were convivial with each other. In the other version, the two women slap the man’s face.

Initiating his complaint against the face-slap advertisement, the Complainant, C. MacDonald, said:

The “In an ideal world” ad campaign, which is fine until the hapless male main character apparently offends a couple of female co–workers at the water cooler with, perhaps, and off-colour joke. They respond by both slapping him in the face.
Whilst this may be the accepted response in the old world to female offence-taking, I can only imagine the howls of outrage nowadays if a TV ad depicted a couple of men slapping a woman in the face because she happened to say something that they didn’t like.
Let’s be fair here: what’s good for the goose is good for the gander, and it is NOT OK to depict females assaulting a male as OK, when the vice-versa would be roundly condemned as unacceptable.

So, there are 2 aspects to the complaint: the violence, and the double standards.

The ANZ’s Arguments in Defence of the Advertisement:

[Emphasis is mine]

Campaign Idea:

This campaign is built on a creative platform involving two truths. The first is that we’d all like to live in a perfect world. The second is that we don’t. The world is far from perfect, and always will be. ANZ lives in the same, very real world that everyone else live in, and ANZ doesn’t pretend it’s anything other than imperfect. ANZ is striving to make banking life simpler, more accessible and more rewarding to improve it.

The TV commercial was created by DDB around the idea that by illustrating visually two extreme versions of everyday situations, ANZ can demonstrate understanding of everyday life and because it does, it is in turn offering simpler ways to bank.

After the face-slapping:

The subtext is that the man obviously told an inappropriate joke that, in his world, would elicit positive response from the women but in the ‘real’ world was offensive. The best way to show the different viewpoints was to exaggerate the women’s response….
This advertisement was created with enormous importance placed on the requirement for social responsibility. The nature of the creative thought, and possible interpretation by the public, was given significant consideration by DDB New Zealand and ANZ during the creative process.

The intentional and distinctive creative direction of this entire commercial is based on a clearly communicated ‘slapstick’ comedic treatment.
Again in the context of this commercial, it was used for cause and effect in a humorous way with no intentional violent positioning. The over-emphasis of the reactions of people throughout the commercial supports the over dramatised nature of the slapping scene.

Consumer research conducted by DDB did not result in any comments around this scene illustrating or condoning violence. Likewise, DDB New Zealand agrees with the consumer research findings and had created the scene in a way that did not illustrate unacceptable violent behaviour.

The slapping of a man by a women is a well known, tried and true comedy action that has been used in film and television since the 1950’s to demonstrate a situation where the woman is annoyed or irritated by the man, usually over an off-colour joke or comment. As the lead character in the commercial is a man, the context of the use of this stereotype makes sense.

Can you believe this? You can’t make this stuff up.

A humorous and surreal look at real life situations is at the heart of the creative direction for this commercial. DDB took into account the generally prevailing community standards by actively initiating consumer research in advance of the commercial going on television, to ensure that the comedic treatments used did not cause offence, contempt, abuse or ridicule in any way.

The research results were strongly positive and showed that the style and tone of the humour used within the commercial was appropriate.

The Deliberation:

The ASA Complaints Board simply rubber-stamped the ANZ’s arguments.

My Observations:

The ASA says the violence is okay because depiction of female violence against males is well-established in our culture, and a joke, and therefore acceptable. For no better reasons than these, the ASA side-steps the double standards issue here. They hide behind a bigoted convention against men to completely ignore the underlying rights and wrongs of the matter.

Would the ASA have condoned two men slapping a woman? Or imagine if someone had complained against an advertisement favorably depicting rape. Feminists insist that ours is a rape culture. Would the ASA dismiss the complaint on the grounds that rape is well-established in our culture and therefore acceptable – a joke, even?

Double Standards to Justify a Double Standard:

Note this: their excuse for the female violence against males is the same as their reason for attacking boys. A well-established and widespread acceptance of lower pay for girls is bad, yet female-on-male violence is okay because it has a well-established and widespread acceptance. They use the same rule against males and for females, as if we’re talking about different species here, not different genders of the same species. It’s like justification of slaughter for meat. Slaughter of a different species is acceptable, but slaughter of the same species is not. It’s tantamount to saying the sexes are so vastly different, the rules that apply to one can’t possibly apply to the other. This is the supremacizing of one sex and the dehumanizing of the other. Humanity vs the beasts. Hit the beast if we don’t like the way it moos. Why not? Everybody else does. It’s the norm, people!

They use double standards to judge double standards. Once we open our eyes, their hypocrisy stares us in the face.

The Burden of Western Males:

The foregoing all goes to show what men are up against. The bigotry is institutionalised by outfits such as the ASA.  That a major corporation with the support of a quango would outlay large sums of money to promote the de-humanising of the male, confirms that the bigotry is entrenched and widespread. It is so unabashed and sure of itself, it literally markets misandry.

There has never been a better time for the female consumer/borrower. A  drop in men’s demand for money, inter alia, has led to the lowest interest rates for generations. Men can no longer afford to borrow for betterment. The reason for this is no one thing, it’s everything:

  • Reduction of their employment opportunities due to Affirmative action.
  • The transfer of assets from men to women during relationships and divorce.
  • Having to support, through taxes, the children of State-dependent mothers as well as their own.
  • Being held back by the overwhelmingly unproductive structures of feminsim in general.
  • A malaise among men, induced by a wearying barrage of anti-male negativity, such as the ANZ Bank’s advertisements.

The ANZ has the wherewithal to know all this, and this is where cynicism raises its ugly head. To pander to a female market is one thing, but to promote one sex at the expense of the other is not capitalism. It’s distortion of the market not to increase the market but to shamelessly kow-tow to ideology and feminism.

An enlightened society would have nothing but contempt for such bigotry, and those who perpetuate it.

Finally, some of my wording might seem strong, but it comes nowhere near the invective that would follow any excuse for rape on the grounds that we live in a rape culture. My God, if any major corporation suggested such a thing, corporate heads would roll. Careers would be wrecked. Lives would be ruined. Politicians would scramble not to be left behind on the PC bus. The media would scream. The war against boys and men would escalate all over the feminist world.

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225 comments on “Anti-Male Advertising – A Look at the Mentality Inside It
  1. Yoda says:

    This campaign is built on a creative platform involving two truths. The first is that we’d all like to live in a perfect world. The second is that we don’t. The world is far from perfect, and always will be. ANZ lives in the same, very real world that everyone else live in, and ANZ doesn’t pretend it’s anything other than imperfect. ANZ is striving to make banking life simpler, more accessible and more rewarding to improve it.

    The TV commercial was created by DDB around the idea that by illustrating visually two extreme versions of everyday situations, ANZ can demonstrate understanding of everyday life and because it does, it is in turn offering simpler ways to bank.

    A big nothing-burger vegemite sammich this is.
    Perhaps say something relevant they might

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  2. Yoda says:

    To be honest, never seen a women slapping a man in a “slapstick” manner in media I have.
    Have you?

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  3. Yoda says:

    If historical standards apply they still do,
    then bring back patriarchy we should

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  4. Cill says:

    I agree Yoda, and I’m glad you said “vegemite” and not “Marmite”. Magnificent Marmite must not be besmirched with ANZ’s glib… what would one call it, hybrid marketing legalese?

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  5. Cill says:

    To be honest, never seen a women slapping a man in a “slapstick” manner in media I have.
    Have you?

    The Commercial Approvals Bureau (CAB) – another quango – had something to say about this. Their representations were part of the ANZ Bank’s case (emphasis is mine):

    Commercial Approvals Bureau (CAB) said on behalf of the media:

    “Duplicate complainants have raised concern over an ANZ Bank commercial. The crux of their complaint is that the commercial promotes violence against men as perpetrated by women. CAB maintains that they have overinvested meaning into a nonsense joke.

    The commercial shows two versions of reality; one is an ideal world where all the best things in life come to fruition, the other is a cynical world where only the worst outcomes eventuate. Both of these `worlds’ are grossly exaggerated versions of real life. In the cynical world, one character is slapped on the face by two other characters who have been offended by an off-colour comment.

    The complainants claim that the commercial somehow condones or even normalizes physical assault drawn along the lines of gender. CAB fails to see how they came to make this attribution – it’s a simple sight gag with a tradition as long as the history of moving images.

    Consider the slapstick history of Charlie Chaplin, Buster Keaton, Laurel and Hardy, Frank Spencer; and for contrast, Lucille Ball, Zsa Zsa Gabor, Ruth Buzzi, Catherine Tate – I don’t think anyone could reasonably accuse either group of perpetuating illegal acts of violence against the opposing gender. Certainly, no-one could accuse Monty Python of perpetuating fish-based assaults.

    While CAB respects the vigilance of the public in surveying matters of domestic violence, this banking advertisement is not a valid target for their efforts.”

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  6. Yoda says:

    However women slapping men, never a joke it is.
    Obviously obtuse they are

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  7. Cill says:

    How glib and duplicitous is that?
    (the CAB quote in my previous comment)

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  8. Cill says:

    CAB conveniently overlook a crucial aspect of C. MacDonald’s complaint (emphasis is mine):

    “Whilst this may be the accepted response in the old world to female offence-taking, I can only imagine the howls of outrage nowadays if a TV ad depicted a couple of men slapping a woman in the face because she happened to say something that they didn’t like.”

    Charlie Chaplin, Buster Keaton, Laurel and Hardy, Frank Spencer, Lucille Ball, Zsa Zsa Gabor, Ruth Buzzi, Catherine Tate – all are “old world”.

    ANZ and CAB came up with deliberate misdirections and bum steers. They didn’t answer the complaint.

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  9. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Slapstick violence not sexist.

    I don’t know how big ANZ Bank is down under but, from the sound of it, they must be on the relative scale of Bank of America. Too big to fail and too big to apologize. One thing for certain, they have bought into feminism hook, line, and sinker. Meeting that criteria presumes that they no longer need or want business from individuals or companies that are not feminist. That may prove to be a mistake. In the US, feminists only account for eighteen percent of the population. In the UK it is worse, it stands at seven percent.
    ANZ’s competitors would do weel to capitalize on this and adverize the other way.

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  10. Cill says:

    I haven’t closed my accounts with them yet, but I intend to do so.

    Liked by 4 people

  11. Horseman says:

    Here in Canada, Ontario specifically it just got worse.
    In 2014 bill 138 Changed the Occupational Health and Safety Act to add workplace violence as a topic on top of industrial accidents. Fine. We do community health care so it is there. Trained all staff, trained all managers on investigation reporting blah blah.
    Then they added to the section spousal violence. So we need measures to protect workers if their spouse shows up at work. Yikes but ok.
    Now new bill just passed third reading meaning it is becoming law that on top of all that and the completely seperate Ontario Human Rights Tribunal, now I hasve to put in place dedicated staff, not managers, dedicated staff to investigate…
    a) accidents….no
    b) workplace violence…..no
    c) workplace spousal abuse….no
    d) harassment under the human rights code….no

    its….say it with me

    Sexual Harassment

    defined as any unwanted act or i.n.t.e.n.t. of a sexual or gender based nature. So my CAS workers are not safe from abusive parents, my psych workers are not safe from patients, my plant operators arent safe from heavy machinery..no big.

    But Dr McSteamyBadJudgement makes a pass at Nurse Hootchiesluttypants and I have to have a specially hired investigator to deal with it.

    And we elected the Liberal party with majorities in both provincial and federal levels. aaaaach.

    And they wonder why the feminists are so empowered.

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  12. molly says:

    I will close my ANZ accounts. I didn’t see the ads on TV or I would close my accounts after I saw them.

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  13. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    It would be brave for a smaller bamk to promote itself as antifeminist but, it would distinguish them from their competitor. Banks are conservative by nature, it may be ahead of the social curve, but how popular are feminists? They may have more enemies than friends.

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  14. Horseman says:

    From a lead columnist front page of the Globe and Mail our national right wing newspaper.

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/parenting/why-im-teaching-my-son-to-embrace-girly-things/article29629855/

    If this was thePost or the Sun I would get it. But the Globe!
    They endorsed Trump and both Bushes for christ sake.

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  15. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Molly or Cill,
    How big is ANZ Bank? Call me old fashoined but, I think that banks were more stable when they were restricted to one state, here in the US.

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  16. Cill says:

    horseman
    “any unwanted act or i.n.t.e.n.t. of a sexual or gender based nature”

    unwanted by… women? :”Intent” is sexual harassment? The woman decides what his intent is, I suppose. It’s just a matter of time before it’s that bad here. Bloody hell.

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  17. molly says:

    I don’t need to see the violence ad to make up my mind. I watched the ANZ “equal pay” ad and made up my mind enough.

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  18. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Molly,
    Since I have to use letters to describe edible treats, I am at liberty to vary the diet. Oh boy! Fish taco, fish taco, fish taco.
    🐻 roll.

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  19. Horseman says:

    Jerramy Fine is an American expat in London and what you might call a professional princess advocate. She’s a royalist by trade and nature and her latest book, In Defense of the Princess, is an unapologetic argument in favour of letting your daughter drown herself in plastic tiaras and fairy-tale fantasies.

    In her view, “second wave princesses are headstrong and independent. They engineer their own fates and believe that respect is a precursor to love. And if there is one thing any of the modern princesses are not doing, it’s sitting around waiting to be rescued.”

    From the article. oh god my eyes. And she thinks this is good for boys.

    Encouraging boys to reject princess culture is dangerous because what other traditionally feminine concepts are they in turn going to reject later on?,” Fine pointed out the other day. “Will they see romantic love as abhorrent? What about parenting and housework? Or even just being polite?”

    The message boys are really getting from their own experience growing up with moms and sisters into this…

    romantic love is not abhorrent its non existent. go ask dad.

    feminine concepts they will reject….i dunno…females.

    To misquote Jack Sparrow…”but why are the men gone??”

    Even my wife is MGTOW.

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  20. molly says:

    Fuzzie size of ANZ Bank https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australia_and_New_Zealand_Banking_Group

    “The Australia and New Zealand Banking Group Limited, commonly called ANZ, is the fourth largest bank by market capitalisation in Australia, after the Commonwealth Bank, Westpac Banking Corporation and National Australia Bank.[2] Australian operations make up the largest part of ANZ’s business, with commercial and retail banking dominating. ANZ is also the largest bank in New Zealand, where the legal entity became known as ANZ National Bank Limited in 2003 and changed to ANZ Bank New Zealand Limited in 2012”

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  21. Yoda says:

    Perhaps Globe and Mail secret agenda they do have.
    Teach boys this way and fet sex change operation they will.
    Then get government goodies they can

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  22. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Cill,
    As it was explained to me in 2001, it is all in the eye of the beholder. I could put up a Wells Fargo calander, with stagecoaches and horses. If a woman objected, that was harrassment. That throws all objective standards right out the window, making preventive defense impossible.

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  23. Horseman says:

    oh and so now my UNION Occupational Health and Safety Committee has jurisdiction over sexual harassment complaints. Its as bad as Title IX in the states.

    They would hasve to investigate the actions in the bank ad.

    Maybe Putin has some openings. Im Canadian. Siberia is just MooseJaw with vodka. (yeah MooseJaw pop 150,000)

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  24. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Molly,
    “Too big to fail.” I do remember the housing crisis.

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  25. molly says:

    Fuzzie fish taco!

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  26. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Molly!!! Food! You know what bears like! Mumch, slurp, burp!

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  27. Choicy says:

    I hear a ding from me gmail and what do I see mate, a post topic by my best mate. Struth it’s a sight to cheer me up. Yeah I’ll close down my accounts with them as well. A bank which is so dishonest in they way they stereotype men is not to be trusted with a man’s money mate.

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  28. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Choicy,
    That is the soundest argument I have heard yet.

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  29. molly says:

    Onya Choice!

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  30. Cill says:

    Beautiful Autumn day here. I might take the boat out. That water looks too good to waste. My next comment might be from my boat. No fucking feminists on my boat. They’re not invited.

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  31. molly says:

    Cill wait for me! I’ll take the afternoon off and go out with you!

    Liked by 2 people

  32. Cill says:

    I’ll pick you up at the marina.

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  33. Choicy says:

    Struth mate I’m almost sad to hear this. You blessed Kiwis boating on beautiful day in godzone. I’m green qwith envy mate.

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  34. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    I wish that I could go with you but, I am a little out of your way.

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  35. Choicy says:

    The bare land all round about me out here on the desert is opposite to the blue ocean and lush shore of godzone as its possible for possible to be mate. There’s no places more opposite on the Earth. I’d sooner be there than here at the m o\ment although I love my land. The biggest lure there is not the land or the water if you know what I mean. 😉

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  36. Choicy says:

    “That is the soundest argument I have heard yet.”

    Gee thanks Fuzzie. I might be an outback country hick but I don’t risk my money mate. I have a flutter on the Caulfield and the Melbourne Cup and that’s as much risk as I take although the risk has paid off in the past touch wood.

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  37. Choicy says:

    Well it’s back to work for this Aussie digger. I’ll drop in later mates.

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  38. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Choicy,
    Your statement mae me think if these bozos make such mistakes with their image, what could they do with your money? You kine of need it. I don’t know how you could operate without it.

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  39. Cill says:

    We’ve anchored in a bay and wee molly is fishing.

    Yoda Teach boys this way and fet sex change operation they will.
    Then get government goodies they can

    And you and I both ask the question, who’s going to pay?

    Fuzzy it is all in the eye of the beholder
    That’s the way I see it. Accuser, prosecutor and judge all rolled into one.

    Molly caught a snapper already. It’s 3 pm Friday here and plenty of daylight left. We’ll cook it aboard and eat it on the boat. Ah… bliss. The mad world of feminism seems far away. I might as well enjoy the illusion while I can.

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  40. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Cill,
    I think that Molly likes to bring people food. wherever she goes, they will be happy to see her. She is the antithesis of femiism.

    As for sexual harrassment, if the rules were set, then offenses could be avoided. The problem is the feminists don’t want that.

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  41. M says:

    Hi from me too, aboard ship. Very lovely and peaceful here. Best wishes to everybody! 🙂

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  42. Cill says:

    Ahhhhh… feet up. Relax. The women are cooking up a feed. I’d have a shot or two did I not have to sail this boat home…

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  43. Cill says:

    Damn. I had a tot of nautical rum. Now we’re stuck here for the night. What torture it will be.

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  44. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    M!!! Good to see you!

    Cill,
    You won’t go hungry. And, you have good company.

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  45. M says:

    He knows I’m reading this. I came in my runabout so I can leave when I like! LOL 🙂

    Liked by 1 person

  46. Cill says:

    How’d you know I haven’t cut the painter?
    Mwahaha

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  47. Cill says:

    You’re doing a grand job there girls. Remember, overcook the fish and you’ll spend time in the brig. The captain’s word is law on the sea.

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  48. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    I don’t care if they overcook. As long as it is food, I will eat it and be very happy.

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  49. M says:

    And you’d be a very welcome guest, FuzzieWuzzie! 🙂

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  50. Cill says:

    So as not to be sadistic here, Fuzzy, I’ll tell you what’s not happening. I’m not sitting down to a feed of superbly prepared snapper and farmkill bacon and onions rings and lettuce fresh from my garden this morning and a home grown egg from my own ship’s fridge. And man it looks good (except I’m not seeing it looking scrumptious in front of me right now, this stuff ain’t happening, as I said). And now I’m not sipping chilled (room temperature would be way too warm here) 2011 Lochar Estate Central Otago First Harvest Pinot Noir whilst I partake of the absolutely dee-lish-shish food. And I’m not typing you this message and you’re not reading it…

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  51. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    And you’re not telling me all those things to make me jealous.

    M,
    I would be happy to be your guest.

    Food anbd good company!

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  52. Cill says:

    Good onya Fuzzy. You’re a good sport.

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  53. molly says:

    Fuzzie imagine what it’s like for us.. we have to put up with him all the time! Lol

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  54. Ame says:

    Gone With the Wind was toxic for giving women ‘permission’ to slap men.

    John Wayne tried to remedy that here 🙂

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  55. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Molly,
    You like your big cousin. I think that M likes him too.
    He likes you both.
    And, then, there is food.

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  56. Cill says:

    You’ve bowled me a googly there, Ame. I’m not going to attempt to field it… yet. 😉

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  57. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    That John Wayne! Every time he played opposite Maureen O’Hara he spanked her.
    There is a story about John Candy giving up his dressing room at the peak of his career to Maureen O’Hara because he admired her so much.

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  58. Cill says:

    Maybe tomorrow, in the sober light of an unhungover dawn…

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  59. Cill says:

    I haven’t watched those old movies. Maureen O’Hara was Irish, now was she begorrah?

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  60. Cill says:

    5:30 pm here. We’re into late Autumn and the sun has gone over the yardarm. Time for a shot (the rums hitherto they have been mere tots)

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  61. Ame says:

    Cill – i’m just glad “bowled me a googly” could be googled! … haven’t heard that one down yonder in Texas 😉

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  62. Cill says:

    Ame you don’t play cricket in Texas? They do in the Caribbean mon.
    (Just kidding)

    A bloke called Tex from Texas stayed with me for a while. He walked off the plane in high-leather boots – I mean tough cowboy-looking boots. One of the best blokes I ever met. Man he was a good bloke. I’ve lost contact with Tex. He was going to take me out shooting rattle snakes in Texas.

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  63. Cill says:

    He wore a ten gallon hat and all. When Tex walked down Main Street, he caused quite a stir. He said he owned a ranch back in Texas. Fuzzy once said Texans tell tall tales. Tex stayed with me for long enough for me to know he was a straight shooter. I gave him opportunities to fib to me, but he didn’t. He was a straight forward, uncomplicated man.

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  64. molly says:

    Past 6 pm and sun going down. We’re singing and playing guitar and Cill is fallen asleep in his chair! Too peaceful, eh. (wish I had an icecream) heh heh not really. His first sleep for about 3 days. He’ll wake up in 5 mins, an hour, av of 4 hours is all he sleeps.

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  65. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Molly,
    Good! I should be doing as much too.

    Cill,
    Baseball is the summer sport there.

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  66. molly says:

    Fuzzy it’s so quiet I might go to sleep. Do you feel like sleeping as well? The sea air is sleeepy.

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  67. molly says:

    Goodnight Fuzzie and anyone out there.
    zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

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  68. Ame says:

    Cill – there are definitely those done here. i’m a ‘city girl,’ though. i’m not a fan of snakes of any kind, and i’ve never owned a pair of cowboy boots. although … i do have to admit, i grew up on the beach in florida, so moving to texas out of high school was quite a culture shock.

    most country boys do shoot it straight. my husband grew up half in the city and half in the country … riding horses, cattle, bailin hay, huntin and dressing his own kills. ewww! he still has his boots and hat but doesn’t wear them anymore. i asked him when we were dating if he was a good shot. he just looked at me and said matter-of-fact, “Well, I hit what I aim at.” well, okay then!

    when i first moved out to texas i spent a lot of time at my bff’s parents’ house waaay out in the country. there were a few times i was there alone at night, and all those night sounds freaked me out. the weird thing, though, for me … in florida if there’s an empty dark space at night, it’s water. in texas, it’s fields. we’d often drive in at night after dark, and i’d see all these empty dark spaces thinking there was a heck of a lot of water where she lived. during the day, i couldn’t find it. it took awhile, but i finally figured it out 😉 . i’ve been in texas thirty-some years now. it’s home. my babies were born and raised here. they can throw out an accent like nobody’s business 🙂

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  69. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Good night Molly! I’ll dream of Furbies bringing wonderful food. Maybe later, we can go for a ride on a Norton Manx.

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  70. Ame says:

    Fuzzie – yep. baseball. but soccer is gaining a lot of momentum. my husband played pick-up games as a kid and was the catcher. i like to test his catching skills from time-to-time … but i’m careful b/c if he reciprocates, i’m toast. i can’t catch a thing.

    baseball in florida, too. my brother was an awesome pitcher and still plays competitive softball.

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  71. Ame says:

    Cill – did Tex introduce you to the Homecoming Mum?! they are the ‘corsages’ given to each other for homecoming. these things are WILD!!!

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  72. Cill says:

    “did Tex introduce you to the Homecoming Mum”

    No. What on earth was that all about?

    Tex was a country man, a lone (not lonely) bloke.

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  73. Ame says:

    Cill – i guarantee Tex knew what the Homecoming Mum is. you cannot live in texas … cannot go to school in texas, and NOT know about the homecoming mum. here’s a stand-up telling about our mums … it’s a bit lengthy, but it’s spot on:

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  74. Cill says:

    It’s only 7:34 pm here. Rugby watching time.

    Ame we don’t like soccer here. The Football-World-Whatever organization is trying to establish soccer here (as is every other sport under the sun because they know we’re a sports-crazy little country but there are not enough of us to play so many sports at top level). We don’t like soccer because when the players get a tap on the shin they drop like sissies and writhe around as if they’ve been shot. Other Kiwis agree with me, it’s an insult to expect us to watch. We expect to see sport, not Hollywood.

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  75. Ame says:

    i don’t know much about Rugby except they all seem to be beating each other up and calling it a game 🙂

    perhaps i need to watch a rugby game sometime and broaden my horizons!

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  76. Cill says:

    Super Rugby half time
    Crusaders 22 vs Jaguares 3

    As Spawny once observed, “soccer is a gentleman’s game played by ruffians, rugby is a ruffian’s game played by gentlemen.”

    In fact, Colin Meads (my “Moe” on this blog) was at once a gentleman and one of the most decisively effective bad boys in the history of the sport.

    If you want to watch a better sport than soccer, watch Super Rugby.

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  77. Cill says:

    Now for the second half (I’m watching it by myself now)

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  78. Cill says:

    Full time Crusaders 32 Jaguares 15

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  79. Yoda says:

    Wonder if Moehau Man Sheilas slap their men they do.
    Also, Moehau Mans bank with ANZ they do?

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  80. Spawny Get says:

    Very proud of my pheasant cock. This morning he has built up his harem. Spawny’s Achers now boasts a cock and two, count them two, hens. That’s my boy.

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  81. Liz says:

    “Very proud of my pheasant cock”

    Autocorrect could have done so much with this sentence
    (“pleasant”, “peasant”, “pendant”, “puissant”) 😀

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  82. Yoda says:

    Autocorrected to “Glorius” it would have

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  83. Liz says:

    I have a vision.
    An enterprising spider fashions a web. With words!
    At Swithy’s pheasant abode.
    “Some cock”
    “Glorious cock”
    “Pleasant cock”

    Swithy’s cock famous it will be.
    (I do hope folks have read Charlotte’s web…or else you probably think I’ve smoked ’em peace pipe reading the above)

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  84. Liz says:

    I should probably post something on topic…
    Remember the days when commercials were designed to actually SELL A PRODUCT?
    Investment banks would say, “We make money the old fashioned way, we earn it..”
    Stuff like that.
    Maybe generation Y has never seen or heard of the old fashioned purpose of an advertisement (except from the crib, and who remembers that far back?), but I swear there was a time ads were actually supposed to try to persuade you to buy a product and/or service.

    I guess now it must be all negative reinforcement, product placement in movies, and click bait.

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  85. Liz says:

    Perhaps the marriage of corporations and government has made “real” advertisement pointless though. Big brother IS the corporatocracy afterall.

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  86. Ame says:

    the founder of PR:

    https://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2012/02/27/torches-of-freedom-women-and-smoking-propaganda/

    “Edward Bernays (1891-1995) is largely considered the founder of public relations (or “engineering consent,” as he called it) but is not known very well outside of the marketing and advertising fields. A nephew of Sigmund Freud, Bernays was the first to theorize that people could be made to want things they don’t need by appealing to unconscious desires (to be free, to be successful etc.). Bernays, and propaganda theorist Walter Lippman, were members of the U.S. Government’s Committee on Public Information (CPI), which successfully convinced formally isolationist Americans to support entrance into World War I. While propaganda was commonly thought of as a negative way of manipulating the masses that should be avoided, Bernays believed that it was necessary for the functioning of a society, as otherwise people would be overwhelmed with too many choices. In his words:

    Modern propaganda is a consistent, enduring effort to create or shape events to influence the relations of the public to an enterprise, idea or group.
    “[Source: Bernays Propaganda, 1928, p. 52; available here.]

    After WWI, Bernays was hired by the American Tobacco Company to encourage women to start smoking.”

    ““Cigarettes were a symbol of the penis and of male sexual power…Women would smoke because it was then that they’d have their own penises.””

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  87. Liz says:

    Commercial brought to you by “Pimpin”

    Tyrone, pointing to product:
    “When a Social Justice Warrior breaks into your home, be sure that you have a natural and believable story prepared the next morning when you purchase this commercial sausage maker!”

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  88. Yoda says:

    Swithy’s cock famous it will be.

    Or perhaps stick out like a sore thumb it would

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  89. Yoda says:

    Advertisers want “feel good” association s with the product selling they are.
    Why they use humor and likable people in their ads they do.

    Though Amy Schumer is likable not.

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  90. Liz says:

    And with that master “trigger warning” Yoda has outdone me.
    Thank you.
    I was afraid with my last post folks might already groaning, “Too much!”
    LOL!

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  91. Liz says:

    now you’ve brought up Schumer. Oh boy with the subject of Schumer and….er pheasant cocks I really have to put those mittens back on my paws.

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  92. Yoda says:

    Though what “feel good” association in the slapping commercial I see not.

    Though perhaps the concept of putting a hapless beta in his place feels good it does

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  93. Liz says:

    What “feel good” association in just about any commercial (that I’ve seen in the past ten years) I see not.
    Click on Yahoo, it’s all social agenda crap. Turn on the television, social agenda crap.

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  94. Liz says:

    Diplomad excoriates Hildabeast, undiplomatically (but spot on).
    The whole thing is worth a read:

    “Hillary “I’ll Use Any Server I Want” Clinton spoke yesterday before Al Sharpton’s National Action Network (NAN). For those who have lived the last forty years on Mars, Sharpton plays the role of a reverend and political commentator on TV, while, in real life being a street thug, anti-semitic, anti-white, tax dodging millionaire.
    (snip)
    So, of course, Hillary Clinton of Whitewater, Benghazi, and Clinton Foundation scandals fame, went to scandal-ridden NAN to deliver a little address on race relations in the USA. You can read the full text here, and don’t need me to guide you through the thick primeval woods of progressive lies and delusions that comprise it.

    That said, as I always say before I go on to say that which does not need saying, let me make just a few observations.

    Clinton’s speech hits a remarkable low in terms of ethics and truth even for this campaign season which has been marked by some significant lows in both. Her speech, in fact, is worse than that; it is actually dangerous hate speech. If I weren’t such a first amendment fanatic, I would urge her immediate arrest for spreading hate and for associating with a known racist and hater.
    (snip)
    I particularly like her mention of black babies dying before their first birthday. Yes, they do, because progressives abort them. Suddenly she is concerned about saving babies. I want to vomit.

    Do black kids get arrested for petty crimes while white ones don’t? I don’t know, and doubt she does either. Her comments on gun violence are pure madness. Who kills those black men for whom she suddenly has such concern? Since no answer appears in her speech, I provide it: the killers are other black men. By the way, these killings occur overwhelmingly in progressive-run cities with progressive gun control laws. Let’s face it, a person, regardless of race, is much, much safer in “gun-infested,” conservative Utah, than in “gun-free,” progressive Chicago. The progressive speech-writers manage to avoid mentioning the big elephants in the room.

    Her whole poverty pandering schtick also stinks of progressive deceptions and delusions. She makes no mention, for example, of the progressive-encouraged destruction of the black family. She ignores that black Americans suffer higher levels of poverty because, unlike Jackie Robinson who features earlier in her speech, many have allowed themselves to become wards of the state, looking to the state to solve the problems created by being wards of the state. As noted above, other “races” which have avoided the loving embrace of government have done well. She, furthermore, seems going back to advocating the lunacy that helped create the financial collapse of 2007-08, forcing banks to make loans to unqualified applicants.”

    http://www.thediplomad.com/2016/04/pandering-pantsuit-clintons-delusional.html

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  95. Yoda says:

    Many commercials to be funny try they do.
    Succeed with me very often they did not.
    Wonder why that is I do

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  96. Liz says:

    After 800 years, Yoda, you’ve probably heard all the jokes. 🙂
    I have to go on a road trip for a few days,
    in case anyone has issue with my corporatocracy statement I’ll say
    Our current “Capitalist” system is to the “free market” as
    Our current University system is to “useful education” or
    Our current financial market is to “sound investment”.

    Hope you all have a good weekend.
    -Liz out

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  97. Yoda says:

    When Blurkel post his post he will?

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  98. OKRickety says:

    I don’t remember ever hearing of homecoming mums before. That’s strange as I’ve lived in Oklahoma for 30 years, but I didn’t go to high school here. They were right when they used to advertise, “Texas. It’s like a WHOLE OTHER COUNTRY”.

    But I do know something about rugby as I lived in EnZed for 10 years. Would even get up at 2 AM to watch the All Blacks play. The game has certainly changed a lot since then, and is probably much safer now.

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  99. Moehau Man says:

    Yes well, anyone who likes rugby is an instant friend of the Moehau Man. We formed our own rubgy team once, the Moehau Head Smashers, and entered the Thames Valley competition. The officials didn’t like the look of the Kauri Clubs among the Moehau Head Smasher fans, and they cancelled the game when the clubs were brandished after a smasher of a try (“touch down”). We’ve been banned from the game ever since. “Despite the efforts of our Patron, Colin Meads, to have us reinstated”, Mrs Moehau Man (my rugby-crazy old mum) called out just then. “I could have sold a lot of cod pieces at Head Smasher games”, she added.

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  100. Cill says:

    Ame, so the founder of PR was a nephew of Sigmund Freud. It figures. Now it’s the tool of Feminism and Quotas and anti-white-male gender and racist Affirmative Action and microaggressions and is an efficient generator of incompetence in business.

    Liz “Hildabeast” Bwahaha!
    We need more articles like that one from the Diplomad.

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  101. Cill says:

    Yoda the only ads that consistently make me laugh are the Rugby ones.

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  102. Spawny Get says:

    So you were watching a gang fight and a game of rugby broke out?

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  103. Moehau Man says:

    Yes well, something like that.

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  104. Moehau Man says:

    Some foreign sheila probably strayed among the Moehau Head Smasher fans and complained when a Moehau Man rapped his Kauri Club on her head to get her attention and dragged her off by her hair. The soccer bloke in the rugby ad at 9:21 pm pretty much sums up what we people of the rugged Coromandel think of foreign sheilas.

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  105. Ame says:

    OKRickety –

    “That’s strange as I’ve lived in Oklahoma for 30 years, but I didn’t go to high school here. They were right when they used to advertise, “Texas. It’s like a WHOLE OTHER COUNTRY”.”

    idk about Oklahoma … or high school in ok.

    but you’re absolutely correct … “Texas. It’s like a WHOLE OTHER COUNTRY” … and proud of it! there are those down here that want to succeed so bad they’d give their right arm to do so, and then some!

    Oklahoma is not a place i’d ever like to live b/c of the tornados … this is what my crazy brain does when someone says Oklahoma:

    “Oklahoma means tornados. Tornados mean under-ground storm shelters. Storm shelters mean snakes. I hate snakes. I hate Oklahoma.”

    female logic! 🙂 🙂 🙂
    (yeah, I know … my husband didn’t buy it as ‘logic’ either)

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  106. Ame says:

    okay … ouch! they don’t wear head-gear?!

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  107. Ame says:

    y’all crack me up! i’m laughing and laughing and my husband’s trying to figure out why, and i’m trying to get him caught up.

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  108. Ame says:

    “Now it’s the tool of Feminism and Quotas and anti-white-male gender and racist Affirmative Action and microaggressions and is an efficient generator of incompetence in business.”

    yep.

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  109. Ame says:

    i’m not a tv person, so don’t watch many commercials, either … but this one is still my all-time favorite:

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  110. Spawny Get says:

    Head-gear?
    Some of them wear thin rubber novelty condoms on their head to protect their ears from succumbing to cauliflower ear. That’s it.

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  111. Spawny Get says:

    don’t read the title

    Just hit play

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  112. Cill says:

    Watch from about 11:00 and you’ll hear Colin Meads (the voice of Moe the Moehau Man). The “giant from the King Country” who scored the try was Colin Meads.

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  113. Ame says:

    bwahahahaha!!!!!

    I shouldn’t find that funny, but that’s hilarious!

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  114. Spawny Get says:

    Paging Tarn…

    Is there a species of bird that has a spare wing? One that it can jettison as a decoy while it escapes? Like a lizard tail.

    If not…well…there’s a great tit not feeling so great today.

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  115. Ame says:

    ewwwww!!!!!

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  116. Ame says:

    Cill – this sucks. “This video contains content from Engage Sports Media Limited EMEA, who has blocked it in your country on copyright grounds.”

    boo … it’s all black snow 😦

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  117. Spawny Get says:

    Perhaps it has a future career as a furby?

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  118. Cill says:

    “it’s all black snow”
    And “All Black Rugby” was what the Video was all about 😉
    (The All Blacks are New Zealand’s national team.)

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  119. Cill says:

    I’ll see if I can dig up another video of Colin Meads. Facebook or something. Right now I’m off for my morning swim. Back in 10.

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  120. Spawny Get says:

    Does this link work in the States?

    England had to win by at least 26 points to win the 6 nations…playing against France.

    Cracking match.

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  121. Cill says:

    Bloody good game mate.

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  122. Yoda says:

    there’s a great tit not feeling so great today.

    Perhaps a massage from the a Glorious Patriarch desires it does

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  123. Cill says:

    Ame + other Americans, does the video at 10:26 pm play for you now?

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  124. Ame says:

    Cill – no 😦

    Spawny – yes, that one plays. will watch it later … making dinner right now … for some reason the family likes to eat 🙂

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  125. OKRickety says:

    Head-gear?
    Some of them wear thin rubber novelty condoms on their head to protect their ears from succumbing to cauliflower ear. That’s it.

    For some reason, that reminded me of the claims (true, I think) that Allan Hewson, All Black fullback in the early 80s wore pantyhose on cold days to keep warm.

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  126. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Cill,
    It’s still blocked.

    Getting back to the main post, all this bad press for men has to hurt them in the smp. Could that be why the fembots encourge as much of this as possible?

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  127. Yoda says:

    Some of them wear thin rubber novelty condoms on their head to protect their ears from succumbing to cauliflower ear.

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  128. Yoda says:

    How tall Moehau Mans are?
    Taller than their opponents they would be?

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  129. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Leslie Nielsen and Pricilla Presley were wonderful together.

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  130. Yoda says:

    Leslie Nielsen and Pricilla Presley were wonderful together.

    Shirley correct you are

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  131. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Even then, in the wake of the sinking of the Titanic, the feminists of the dat, suffragettes, found ways to cut men of at the knees when they had sacrificed their lives.
    No wonder Winston Churchill hated them.

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  132. Cill says:

    OKRickety you’ve heard of Allan Hewson? Kicked the winning goal against the ‘Boks in the last game of the Black Winter tour. I hadn’t heard that one about the panty hose.

    Where/how had you heard of Hewey?

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  133. Cill says:

    If this one won’t play for you Americans, I’ll have to go back to the drawing board.
    Colin Meads is at 7:36

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  134. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Cill,
    It plays here in America!
    I have to warn you. Texans are very big in high school football. If high school games were scheduled in conflict with professional games,they would be watching the high school ames.

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  135. Cill says:

    Fuzzy did you listen to old Colin at 7:37? That’s Moe talking there.

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  136. SFC Ton says:

    soccer is a sport? Damn. I thought it was foreplay before their man on man love party

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  137. Ame says:

    Ton –
    “soccer is a sport? Damn. I thought it was foreplay before their man on man love party”

    laughed.out.loud!

    life would be boring without you!

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  138. Ame says:

    Fuzzie –
    “Texans are very big in high school football.”

    oh.my.gawash! that is so freakin true! my sweet, dear husband will still talk about his high school football days like they were yesterday … cause EVERYONE here does. however, we live a long way from where he went to high school, so we’ve actually never attended a high school game together … though he does keep up w/it. Friday Night Lights!

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  139. Ame says:

    Cill – 7:36 or 7:39?
    young guy at 7:36. older guy at 7:39.

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  140. Cill says:

    7:39.
    All Black legend.

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  141. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Cill,
    He is a grand man. However, I see Moe as more of well grounded Stone Age man.
    There is a story about how an Irishman went to Heaven and St. Peter was showing him around. Everywhere he looked, the angels wee crying. He saw enough and had to ask St. Peter. “Notre Dame lost.”

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  142. Cill says:

    Richard McCaw at 8:12, the greatest player ever.

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  143. Ame says:

    The Hacker – so … caveman. raw. masculine. awesome.

    Handsome Moe – The “well grounded Stone Age man!” (quoting Fuzzie!)

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  144. Ame says:

    i watched that whole clip. rugby looks like a cross btw football and soccer?

    anyway … focusing on figuring out the game while watching all those virile men? that’s what’s called a challenge.

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  145. Cill says:

    It’s 4 pm Saturday here, 5 am Saturday Patriarch time. The TV series “Coast” hosted by archaeologist Neil Oliver, has featured the coasts of the British Isles and Australia. Recently Neil Oliver and the production crew were in NZ. “Coast” featuring the coast of NZ hasn’t been shown here yet, but I hear it’s showing in the UK. Have you seen it Spawny?

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  146. OKRickety says:

    Cill,

    Where/how had you heard of Hewey?

    Grew up in Missouri and Illinois, USA. My dad was a preacher and got a position in NZ. I lived on the North Shore, Auckland from 1975-1984. Two years at Rangitoto College, BSc at University of Auckland, and worked in Takapuna until I returned to USA in 1985.

    My game was basketball, but since I cared about sport, of course part of that was watching and cheering for the All Blacks. (I even remember NZ soccer qualifying for the World Cup in 1982.) I remember watching Hewson as fullback, and the pantyhose (maybe it was really more of a heavier stocking?) claim by the announcer at some point but I couldn’t see it if he did. He was not large and seemed to play rather “softly” as I recall.

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  147. OKRickety says:

    Ame,

    i watched that whole clip. rugby looks like a cross btw football and soccer?

    Back in the dark ages when I was in school, I got a Scholastic book on football history as a prize of some kind. As I recall it, soccer evolved into rugby, and rugby evolved into American football (which Kiwis called “gridiron football” — Is that still true today?). I believe gridiron is a reference to the era when the field had lengthwise lines as well making it look like a grid or a gridiron (like a waffle iron). These additional lines ceased to be used almost 100 years ago, I think.

    If this link works, you can see a photo of how the field looked:

    Photo of grid field

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  148. Cill says:

    Okay. You were here when Hewey was fullback for New Zealand, and Graham Mourie was captain. That was before I was born, but as a Rugby fan I know the Auckland team became so dominant in the Provincial competition, it damaged rugby in the heartland. You’ll also remember Rugby as a strictly amateur game. The game is now professional and has changed a lot, but NZ remains the best in the world.

    I know the North Shore very well. It too has changed a lot. Do you remember the Rodney district (Orewa, Manly Beach etc)? It too has now been swallowed up by metropolitan Auckland.

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  149. Ame says:

    OKRickety –
    “My dad was a preacher”

    i am curious … do you see that as a positive or a negative? my ex fil is retired from full-time ministry. i’m not sure i was a good dil-pk! i didn’t follow the rules enough for him. he was extremely legalistic and dictatorial and the root of many haunting ‘issues’ for my ex and our marriage.

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  150. Ame says:

    the photo does work.

    ahhh … so that’s where gridiron came from. i’ve heard that before but didn’t have any idea where it came from.

    the progression of soccer to rugby to american football makes sense. i’d have to study rugby some to figure it out. i know enough about soccer and football to enjoy watching a game but make me look very stupid if i try to talk about it, so i can probably figure out rugby to somewhat the same extent.

    i grew up in florida, but my grandfather, dad, and brother were huge cowboys fans, and my brother played every sport very well, so sports were always a part of our lives.

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  151. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Spawny Get,
    While you may not have the time, I found this interesting. It’s a biography of Churchill done in 2004 by Russians. Naturally, they are going to see things differently.

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  152. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    About all these man bashing commercials, they can’t help but diminish men. It is the opposite of “a rising tide lifts all boats”>.

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  153. Moehau Man says:

    Ame, not sure what you mean by “The Hacker” but when you talked caveman. raw. masculine. awesome. I knew you were talking about me. As a typically modest Moehau Man I thank you for your kind comments and I’ll keep a spare cave free for you any time you visit the rugged Coromandel. The price will be a very reasonable mere 10 Paua shells (payable in advance).

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  154. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Moehau Man,
    I think it was Yoda who asked if you bank at ANZ. Since you didn’t answer, I am going to guess that you don’t bank anywhere at all. Only a very open minded and flexible bank would consider accepting deposits of paua shells. Open mi9ndednes and flexibility are not traits ususally associated with bankers. Besides, how can you fractionalize a paua shell?

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  155. OKRickety says:

    Cill,

    You’ll also remember Rugby as a strictly amateur game. The game is now professional and has changed a lot, but NZ remains the best in the world.

    I know it was amateur, but even then I wondered how the players could take off their “job” 6-8 weeks at a time to tour overseas. The rules have definitely changed. Especially in the lineouts, and it seems a ruck is not even possible anymore. I remember Graham Mourie and fellow loose forwards being so good at getting to the ball first, setting up a ruck, and delivering the ball so cleanly and quickly to the halfback. Ah, the good old days. But I did get to see the All Blacks semifinal and final wins in the World Cup here in the US on NBC (one of the major networks). I was too cheap to pay to watch the others. 🙂

    I watched some highlights of the Crusaders game and noted the name Israel Dagg. It will be before your time, but I wondered if he was related to Fred Dagg. Well, I know it was a stage name, but I do remember looking forward to hearing him do little comedy bits on the radio in Auckland, before he eventually went to Oz.

    I know the North Shore very well. It too has changed a lot. Do you remember the Rodney district (Orewa, Manly Beach etc)? It too is has now been swallowed up by metropolitan Auckland.

    I lived in Mairangi Bay and later Milford. I was last there in 1992 and it had changed a lot even then. If I remember right, Albany was not much more than a spot on the map. My dad got a small boat and I remember going out Whangaparaoa Peninsula to put it in near Shakespear Regional Park. Seems like there were either baches or small retirement houses, but fairly spread out.

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  156. Ame says:

    Moehau Man – of course i was talking about you! if i ever dare to fly that far, i will definitely look you up and pay in advance 🙂

    ***

    The Hacker – it could be that i’m not understanding the accent … but i thought that’s what they were calling that ‘dance’ the All Blacks were doing that they talked about a lot at the beginning of the clip? please correct me if i’m wrong.

    need a clip of Moehau Man doing that very male, very virile, very masculine, very cave-man dance! 🙂

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  157. OKRickety says:

    Ame,

    “My dad was a preacher”

    i am curious … do you see that as a positive or a negative? my ex fil is retired from full-time ministry. i’m not sure i was a good dil-pk! i didn’t follow the rules enough for him. he was extremely legalistic and dictatorial and the root of many haunting ‘issues’ for my ex and our marriage.

    I have worked through some “father issues” in the last few years, and we have a little warmer relationship than it was. He is not the commonly-seen outgoing, talkative preacher, and I’ve just accepted that a handshake is the closest equivalent to a hug that I will ever get from him. The issues would likely have existed even if he wasn’t a preacher, but I think being a preacher in a fairly conservative group (non-denominational Christian Church [but a little more liberal than some Church of Christ]) didn’t help. Being a preacher’s kid in small midwestern towns was not a great experience, mostly because I often got asked if I was going to be a preacher like my dad. My own personality (compliant), my family of origin, my church upbringing, and my age combine to where I lean more toward rules than toward grace. In summary, I think being a preacher’s kid was slightly more negative than positive, but it wasn’t terrible.

    The other big factor in my life was moving to New Zealand when I was 16. It’s a difficult time at best for most teens, and I think it was more difficult for me. I wish it hadn’t happened. Since that move was related to my father being a preacher, I could say being a preacher’s kid was negative. But I perceive that situation as an outlier, and I don’t consider it part of the standard “preacher’s kid” scenario.

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  158. Ame says:

    Moe – just looked up Coromandel – wow. that is so beautiful! what an amazing place to live!

    and Paua shells – those are brilliant and beautiful. can’t eat the sea snails inside as i’m severely allergic to shell fish … like, just stab me w/an epipen and call 911. that would make it a terrible trip. so won’t do that. but those shells … stunning.

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  159. Cill says:

    Ame, re understanding rugby.

    All players are the maximum balance of brute strength, speed and stamina. No other sport exceeds Rugby players for this balance.

    There’s a lot more to Rugby than scrums, but scrums are the best place to start and the reason for the wide range of body types and sizes in the game.

    There are 8 forwards wearing numbers 1 through 8, and 7 backs wearing numbers 9 through 15. The only time the order of the numbers makes clear sense is when a scrum is being set. Numbers 1,2 and 3 are the front row of the scrum. They are usually the heaviest and most powerful upper body men in the team. No’s 4 & 5 are the second row. They are always the tallest men in the team, and must be 6 feet 6 inches at least. No’s 6, 7 & 8 while not usually as large as no’s 1 through 5 are the largest large men who can maintain max speed and strength for 80 minutes.

    The backs are lighter and smaller. Numbers 9 and 10 are usually the smallest in the team (about 5’11” through 6’2″) and 180 to 200 pounds). No 12 is a bit larger. The no. 15 (fullback) is usually about the size of a no. 12, and the no. 13 is larger again. The wild cards are no’s 11 and 14. They can range in size from a no. 10 through a no. 7. The numbers 11, 14 (wings) and 15 (fullback) are usually the fastest men in the team.

    Let’s assume a classic Rugby movement. No. 9 (halfback) feeds the ball into the scrum and then darts around behind the scrum. What happens from there depends which side of him the other backs are spread out, left or right. Let’s say it’s the right side. No. 9 receives the ball from the forwards and passes to his right to no. 10, who passes to his right to no. 12, who passes to his right to no. 13, who passes to his right to no 14 (the right wing – a speedster who runs like hell down the right hand side of the field).

    If the backs had been spread out to the left of the no.9, the last pass would have been to the no. 11 (the left wing – a speedster who runs like hell down the left hand side of the field.

    The last man behind it all is the no. 15 (fullback).

    If you can envisage all that, you’ve basically got the classic body types and their classic positions in relation to each other in Rugby.

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  160. Ame says:

    OKRickety –
    “combine to where I lean more toward rules than toward grace.”

    that’s such a hard one to overcome. my ex and his parents had more rules than God could ever come up with, and i failed at most all of them.

    so few pk’s/mk’s seem to come out of all that okay … or in my experience. although i do know quite a few who did, so maybe i’m not the best person to ask. it’s so hard to extend grace inside the home. i think kids can get through so much in life if they know they are truly loved and safe and forgiven inside the home, with their mom and dad. although my girls’ dad and his parents were terrible to them, i’ve been able to provide a very safe place for my girls. they’ll probably always have ‘issues’ to deal with, and their dad left behind a trail of pain for them, but they do have a place where they know they are loved no matter what.

    i’m sorry you had to go through all that. and to move at 16. sheesh. not knowing anything else, that was a selfish move on your parents’ part.

    ***
    “I have worked through some “father issues” in the last few years, and we have a little warmer relationship than it was.”

    that could not have been fun nor easy … but, wow. good for you. that took guts and courage.

    ***
    my ex in-laws were great performers. their public persona and their private lives were two totally separate things. and while they would at one time say they loved me, they then turned around and talked about every single bad thing i ever did over and over and over behind my back. i mentioned to my then-husband once, “Do you think he ever preached even *one* sermon on forgiveness?!” ugh.

    my (by default) life verses prayed out almost daily: Lord, enable me to get rid of all bitterness, rage, and anger, along with every form of malice. Enable me to be kind and compassionate to one another and to forgive one another, just as God in Christ has forgiven me.” (Ephesians 4:31-32)

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  161. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Ame,
    Not “Hakcker” but Haka.

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  162. Ame says:

    Cill – i’ll read this several times and probably look for a clip acting it out, as i’m a visual and verbal learner.

    but what i do like is the numbering system … that it’s always the same and that the players wearing those numbers are consistently the same body type. that will make it much easier to figure out.

    had to look up ‘scrum’ … and let me just say … i had to shut down all the ‘mom’ parts of me to watch this video … and it still gave me the hibbie-jibbies! i should have at least watched it w/out the sound and hearing all that crunching. chills!

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  163. Cill says:

    “I watched some highlights of the Crusaders game and noted the name Israel Dagg. It will be before your time, but I wondered if he was related to Fred Dagg.”

    The way to a Kiwi bloke’s heart is through his Rugby, by jove. I’m impressed.

    I tried to set Fred Dagg and Bloom (RedPillGirl) up, but it fizzled out some how. I thought they were made for each other. It was my only attempt at matchmaking and it was a flop.

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  164. Ame says:

    Fuzzie – ahhhh!

    will i get kicked out of here if i confess that those guys sticking their tongues out made me laugh?! 😉

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  165. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Ame,
    There is something primal going on. I wouldn’t laugh. The first video I saw was a haka for a fallen soldier.

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  166. Ame says:

    Fuzzie –
    i apologize. that is obviously disrespectful of me to laugh.

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  167. Ame says:

    Husband comes back to bed after watching a movie with his son: “Have you taken a shower yet?”
    Me: “Ummm … no. The guys were teaching me about Rugby.”
    Husband (playfully): “So now you want to play Rugby?”
    Me: “No! I’m just trying to understand the game.” 🙂

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  168. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Ame,
    I didn’t know either until I saw the video.

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  169. Spawny Get says:

    probably now a hate crime

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  170. Spawny Get says:

    I haven’t been watching ‘Coast’, I’ll see what’s on iPlayer later

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  171. Cill says:

    “There is something primal going on. I wouldn’t laugh.”

    Yes. The Haka is a display of male Mana, Moe’s Kauri Club. In a clip I showed earlier, Gavin Hastings (British Lions fullback of yesteryear) tried to mock the Haka. It didn’t work for him or anyone else. The Haka is a performance of masculinity that can’t be gainsayed by feminism or anyone. It comes from a place that they can’t reach, will never reach in a million lifetimes

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  172. Cill says:

    “it seems a ruck is not even possible anymore. I remember Graham Mourie and fellow loose forwards being so good at getting to the ball first, setting up a ruck, and delivering the ball so cleanly and quickly to the halfback”

    So help me God, I’m falling in love.

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  173. Spawny Get says:

    Here’s a Maori movie that got the thumbs up from Tom (Cill’s Maori mate that drops in from time to time)
    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3399916/
    The fight scenes are brutal (no edged weapons) but it has the mystical side to it too. I enjoyed it, I’m sure I didn’t catch all the nuance, but worth a watch. Safe for hubbies. I saw it on some online movie service, so it’s out there

    The Dead Lands

    Storyline

    After his tribe is slaughtered through an act of treachery, Hongi, a Maori chieftain’s teenage son, must avenge his father’s murder in order to bring peace and honor to the souls of his loved ones. Vastly outnumbered by a band of villains, Hongi’s only hope is to pass through the feared and forbidden Dead Lands and forge an uneasy alliance with the mysterious Warrior, a ruthless fighter who has ruled the area for years. Written by GFC

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  174. Spawny Get says:

    Btw Cill, have you checked your email spam filter lately?

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  175. Cill says:

    Good description. Onya mate.

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  176. Ame says:

    Spawny – it’s on netflix … added it to my list so remember to watch it w/ Husband.

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  177. Cill says:

    In my gmail yours doesn’t end up in spam but in “social” (without showing in “inbox” traffic at all). I found a whole lot of stuff going way back in “social” that I didn’t know you’d sent.

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  178. Spawny Get says:

    Ame, you can assure Hubbie that you aren’t tricking him into watching a chick flick. Though as I say, there’s a strong cultural side to the story.

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  179. Cill says:

    Speaking of Rugby, I’m about to watch Super Rugby (best professional teams in Southern Hemisphere) Sharks (Africa team) vs Blues (NZ team). I’m watching it with my great friend my cousin Jim.

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  180. Cill says:

    “Ame, you can assure Hubbie that you aren’t tricking him into watching a chick flick”

    BWAHAHAHAHA!

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  181. Spawny Get says:

    Cill, might have a need for a introducing the Red Pill to a blue pill youngster post. Not to turn them MGTOW, just to wake up. Then their own thinking can take them wherever they want to go, over time.

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  182. Spawny Get says:

    No Kiwi stuff on the BBC iPlayer right now. get-iplayer says:

    get-iplayer –pvr-add “Coast” “Coast”
    get-iplayer –pvr-run
    Coast
    Matches:
    358: Coast Australia: Series 1 – Tasmania, BBC Two England, , default
    359: Coast Australia: Series 1 – Gold to Sunshine Coast, BBC Two England, , default
    360: Coast Australia: Series 1 – Victoria, BBC Two England, , default
    361: Coast Australia: Series 1 – Darwin and Beyond, BBC Two England, , default
    362: Coast Australia: Series 1 – Coral Coast, BBC Two England, , default
    363: Coast Australia: Series 2 – Victoria, BBC Two England, , default
    364: Coast Australia: Series 2 – South Australia, BBC Two England, , default
    365: Coast Australia: Series 2 – Northern New South Wales, BBC Two England, , default
    366: Coast Australia: Series 2 – South West Australia, BBC Two England, , default
    367: Coast Australia: Series 2 – Torres Strait, BBC Two England, , default
    368: Coast: Series 5 Reversions – The Irish Sea, BBC Two Wales, , default
    369: Coast: Series 5 Reversions – Episode 26, BBC Two Wales, , default

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  183. Spawny Get says:

    Hagbard and ANZ

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  184. Yoda says:

    Over at RPGs Blurkel said that post he will.
    Using my Jedi powers to keep the slot open I am

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  185. Ame says:

    Hubbie has perfected falling asleep during chick-flicks and/or griping about them and/or laughing at them. i try not to force him to endure such pain (read … i choose when i’m willing to listen to him gripe 😉 ). i am a good wife. he will appreciate me recommending a Manly Movie.

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  186. Cill says:

    Final Score: Blues 23, Sharks 18

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  187. Cill says:

    “Over at RPGs Blurkel said that post he will”
    Finally

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  188. Cill says:

    Finally got your wish you did

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  189. David Foster says:

    Mr Bear…re the Titanic….there’s a pretty good novel on this theme, ‘Maiden Voyage’ by Cynthia Bass. The protagonist is a 12-year-old boy named Sumner; he wants to be a hero like one of his famous ancestors. He has a crush on 19-year-old suffragette named Ivy, who wants to be independent…

    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0517326442/ref=as_li_tf_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=chicagoboyz-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=0517326442

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  190. Yoda says:

    Ohio Gov. John Kasich on Friday told a young female college student, who said she was worried about sexual harassment and violence, that she should avoid parties with a lot of alcohol

    http://hotair.com/headlines/archives/2016/04/16/kasich-to-female-college-student-dont-go-to-parties-where-theres-a-lot-of-alcohol/

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  191. Cill says:

    Hagbard would call it annoying. I’d call it annoying too, or disturbing.

    The Asian boy is understanding and sympathetic and tows the feminist line. He’s in step with the modern world. He “gets it”, and is outraged at the sexist inequity of unequal pay.

    The blond Caucasian boy is out of step and out of date. He doesn’t get it, and just looks confused. Rightly, he is scolded by the girls.

    The ANZ Bank brings ugly feminist racism into its propoganda as well. It’s the full monty.

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  192. OKRickety says:

    Ame,

    that’s such a hard one to overcome. my ex and his parents had more rules than God could ever come up with, and i failed at most all of them.

    Can you give one or two short examples of the “rules” they had?

    so few pk’s/mk’s seem to come out of all that okay

    Most PKs are extreme, either very obedient (like me, at least on the surface) or very rebellious. I’m inclined to think everyone has issues from their family of origin, but some are much bigger than others. Overall, I don’t think my issues were very big, but they still mattered to me.

    my ex in-laws were great performers. their public persona and their private lives were two totally separate things.

    I sometimes refer to my ex-in-laws as my out-laws. 🙂 (I was blindside frivorced after 21 years about 4 years ago.)

    My parents were quite consistent in their behavior, so I think our situations were very different. Maybe it’s harder as an in-law. Some of it can be personality as I liked my FIL but I really detested my MIL (who once loudly exclaimed “There’s my favorite son-in-law!” when my brother-in-law arrived).

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  193. Choicy says:

    Yeah I noticed the same thing Cillo. I would have been surprised if they didn’t bring racism into it. It’s default feminism mate.

    The other thing which gets me is, in the ANZ Bank commercial the girl says unequal pay should be illegal. The Arbitration Commission in 1972 decided women who were performing the same work as men should get the same award rate of pay. It meant that you could no longer have lower female rates for the same job. It was passed into law in The Equal Pay Act of 1973. The girl says it should be illegal. So who is is out of step and out of date, mate? It has been illegal for 43 fucking years! Fair dinkum this sexist crap is enough to make a man shit bricks. They twist the truth. Who could have their money with such as a bank as this.

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  194. Farm Boy says:

    There is a new post.

    Blurkel, if you have a post, how about putting it at 12:01AM Monday Patriarch Time?

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  195. Ame says:

    OKRickety –

    rules? wow. first, i was to always not only obey but AGREE with my ex-fil. if i disagreed with him, he considered it disobeying him, and therefore i was disrespectful. to them, i was extremely disrespectful.

    one example … when my oldest was 2 months old, we were at their house. i was talking to her and called her beautiful. my fil came up to me and stated, “Oh, no. We can’t have none of that.” to which i *disrespectfully* replied, “Oh, yes we can! She will know I find her beautiful, and she is beautiful.” compliments were not allowed by him. therefore i was very disrespectful.

    another … of course, to miss church for any reason was wrong and disrespectful. always dressing according to their standards was critiqued. everything from what one drove to how they spoke to what they wore to where they lived – it was all under a microscope. they would be ‘pastorly’ in public, but when the doors were closed, he would go on and on, picking people apart, degrading them, even those in his congregations and esp others in ministry. oh, and drinking and dancing were top sins. (he and i got into it once about drinking). they flat out said that dancing = sex. my mil told me once i should not ask my husband for things, including necessities. i’m not a clutter person, but i am a pile person, and although i kept my house spotless at the time – white-glove spotless, he was not shy of showing his displeasure at my occasional piles in my house. i remember another pastor couple helping their daughter who got pregnant out of marriage, and my ex in-fil stating very piously, “I would never do that.” my daughter wanted to be home schooled from about 2nd grade on. her dad forbid it, but when his parents learned about it, they would berate her over and over about it, telling her she did not want to do that, that public school was what she wanted, etc, over and over and over. one’s public behavior had to be extremely submissive to him, too. very proper. keep your mouth shut. look good. he keeps his yard perfect, and my girls knew they were not allowed to walk on it. when they were little he would not even consider a swing set for them b/c he did not want them on his yard. it had to be kept perfect. and his rules were also arbitrary – they could change if he wanted them to, but no one else was privy to that information or had the same consideration.

    ****************************

    “I sometimes refer to my ex-in-laws as my out-laws. :)” … i was definitely their ‘out-law’!

    “(I was blindside frivorced after 21 years about 4 years ago.)” GAH! that makes me soooo angry! i’m so sorry. if you had kids, do you still get to see them?

    “Overall, I don’t think my issues were very big, but they still mattered to me.” … there is no measurement scale for ‘bad’ or ‘hard.’ if it’s bad to you, hard to you, it’s bad. it’s hard. when we compare our stuff to others, i think we often either minimize it or over-embellish it. i think we just need to let it be what it is and accept it that way, and, of course, deal with it. so if it mattered to you, then it matters.

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  196. Cill says:

    “Ame, you can assure Hubbie that you aren’t tricking him into watching a chick flick”

    I just had to ring Tom yesterday to run that one past him. He came out with an incredulous “Ohhhh bro?” and then to say he laughed would be an understatement.

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  197. Ame says:

    Cill? am i in trouble here? what are y’all not telling me 🙂

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  198. Cill says:

    “Ame, you can assure Hubbie that you aren’t tricking him into watching a chick flick” was Spawny’s comment at 8:41 am. He was talking about your intention to watch “The Dead Lands” (Maori movie). In this context “chick flick” means nice and gentle and harmless.

    After you’ve watched the movie, the reason for Tom’s amusement will be very very clear.
    (Tom is a Maori)

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  199. Spawny Get says:

    Proud, proud Patriarch

    Oh yes he did…

    My cock has three hens now, whattaguy

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  200. Cill says:

    Cill, might have a need for a introducing the Red Pill to a blue pill youngster post. Not to turn them MGTOW, just to wake up. Then their own thinking can take them wherever they want to go, over time.

    Might need a co-operate effort.

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  201. OKRickety says:

    Ame,

    rules? wow. first, i was to always not only obey but AGREE with my ex-fil. if i disagreed with him, he considered it disobeying him, and therefore i was disrespectful. to them, i was extremely disrespectful.

    Since I have never had that kind of experience, I don’t think I can truly understand. It must be difficult!

    Did you have any idea about this before you married? I would think you would have seen it in your fiance, but maybe it was all hidden until you were “part of the family”.

    they flat out said that dancing = sex.

    Why don’t Baptists have sex standing up? Because people might think they’re dancing! 🙂

    “(I was blindside frivorced after 21 years about 4 years ago.)” GAH! that makes me soooo angry! i’m so sorry. if you had kids, do you still get to see them?

    My anger is not so much at my ex-wife, but at the church leaders who, if anything, helped her with the divorce.

    I have reasonable relationships with my kids. My oldest, a daughter, was in college and is now graduated and working in Salt Lake City. My youngest, a son, lives with my ex-wife here in town and is now 20. He has Aspergers (quite intelligent) but denies it. We are trying to get him to train/educate and get a job, but change is very difficult for him and he has poor social interaction skills, too.

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  202. Spawny Get says:

    “…at the church leaders who, if anything, helped her with the divorce.”

    My parents in law did the same until it was too late. By the time they wanted us back together she’d already made the damage irreparable. I do hold them partly responsible, especially the mother.

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  203. Cill says:

    Spawny part of my comment at 7:21 pm vanished. I’ve reinstated it.

    [Cill edit: okay I’ve fixed it.]

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  204. Ame says:

    OKRickety –

    “Since I have never had that kind of experience, I don’t think I can truly understand. It must be difficult!”

    sometimes i wonder if the lies they ingrained in me will ever leave my subconscious. it’s getting a lot better, though. i don’t always see the progress, but my husband does and points it out to me 🙂

    ———————————

    hummm … what did i know before we married … .

    i did not know the double life his parents led. they lived far away from us, and we didn’t see them often. the first time i really ‘saw’ this was after we’d been married, gosh, 8-10 years? at that time we lived for a year or so in the same town, so i saw them often. before then i’d been seeing ‘things’ through our communication – letters, scheduled phone calls – (this was long before internet – i married the first time in 1986) but couldn’t really define them. i remember being in a small ladies bible study with some mature women who helped me ‘see’ who they were gently. it was very hard for me to make that transition from, “he’s a preacher, so he must be good, and i can’t question him,” to … “he’s just a man.”

    i actually met them on our first date, and they really liked me. his mother told me later she knew i was the one for her son as she’d been praying for me all these years (for her son’s wife). since i came from such a horrible home, i was so excited to be able to have a family who would love me and not hurt me! gosh, i had no idea.

    there were some indications of my ex’s addiction before we married, but since my dad abused me, i didn’t ‘see’ them. i can look back and see them, but i didn’t then. i was 19 when i met him and 21 when we married.

    over the years, as i continued to prove i was not moldable to his parents, and i continued to be me, they gradually grew to really hate me … not simply not like me, but fully hate, despise, me. i was blind to a lot of that b/c of the great distance we often lived from each other. although i did sense it, i couldn’t define it. and it was such a hard thing to believe that these people who served God and who did great things for God could turn around and hate me so much.

    my ex passed away unexpectedly two years ago from unmanaged health issues. it was a total shock to all of us. but the hardest thing i’ve had to grieve is the total loss of the family i had hoped to have in them as at the funeral their hate for me exceeded levels i could not have ever even conceived. (his parents and his brother, who has never married). it was so tangible and so terrible that two people – one a life-long friend of their family, another a person they highly regarded – came up to my sister after the graveside while we were in the receiving line and told her, to tell me, how sorry they were for how we were treated. i believe his parents drove a wedge so deep between us that there was no way it could be repaired without him totally turning on his parents … and their hold on him was so enmeshed that he just could not do it.

    ——————————–

    “My anger is not so much at my ex-wife, but at the church leaders who, if anything, helped her with the divorce.”

    ohhhhh, the church! i have had to separate ‘the church’ from God for myself and my girls. i am so eternally grateful they do not relate God to the church. though they supported me in theory, once he filed for divorce i was treated in ways i could not have even conceived ahead of time. it’s been years since i’ve been back to church. i keep thinking we need to do that again, but then i get panic attacks just thinking about it. God is my everything.

    ————————

    my 16 yo daughter is aspie, too. she’s also bipolar, adhd, sensory, etc, etc. it’s a lot of work.

    the hardest part, though, was her dad and his parents. they did not believe anything was ‘wrong’ with her … they believed, and still do, that all her issues are due to their perception that i’m a bad mother and do not discipline her properly, therefore, they blame me for EVERYthing. you cannot imagine how inclusive that everything is. when she was five and we determined after a year of physical therapy that her issues, which we didn’t know of then, were brain-related, i found the best psychiatrist around and made an appt. he was incredible with her. he diagnosed the adhd and the bipolar. i didn’t want a pediatrician dealing with brain stuff; i went straight to the psychiatrist. her dad fought me on everything with her. every.freakin.thing. the school district diagnosed her with asperger’s in 4th or 5th grade – can’t remember which, now. finally, on one visit with the psychiatrist when she was, ummm, around 11 or 12, and my ex questioned again her diagnoses, the psychiatrist pulled out these short q&a forms for each diagnosis and had him, my daughter, and myself each fil them out. we all three came up with the same answers, which all three verified her diagnoses. he still fought me and blamed me for every thing. but at least he did not take me back to court again to fight for custody. by that point we had her psychiatrist, a psychologist, and school psychologists and sped (special ed) professionals who knew her and understood her diagnoses. he knew he could not go up against all that in court, so he backed off just a little bit.

    ——————

    well, now i’ve written a book 😦

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  205. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Spawny Get,
    I like your neighbors.

    OKRickety,
    There is too much frivorce going around. It’s past the point where people can’t be shocked by it. This is not good.

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  206. blurkel says:

    Imagine how quickly things would change if the males spotlighted for such abuse in those ads stopped spending their money?

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  207. Ame says:

    Hey Cill and Moe and Shawny – we’re watching The Dead Lands!
    (my Hubby, Step Son, and me 🙂 )

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  208. molly says:

    Ame I am Cill’s cuzzie and Sumo’s Molls and Fuzzie’s friend and everybody else’s pain in the neck (heh heh) 😉

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  209. molly says:

    Oops I meant to put that on the other post

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  210. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Molly! many burritos for you!

    Blurkel,
    You mean not “take this shit lying down”?
    It is well past time. What is essential is that men have to be aware of who is giving offense. A lot of us don’t watch mainstream media anymore.

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  211. Ame says:

    okay guys … GREAT MOVIE! we three loved it!!!

    so Moe – this is your tribe?!

    the long tongues are a bit freaky to me (the guys thought it was cool) … and i had to close my eyes to drinking blood (gag reflex in full swing there).

    love the tribal loyalty. love the boy growing into a man. LOVE the scenery.

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  212. Ame says:

    Molly –
    so you, Cill, Sumo, and Moe are all in NZ?!

    “everybody else’s pain in the neck (heh heh)” … just do your job well 🙂

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  213. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Ame,
    Sumo lives close to where these guys have jurisdiction.

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  214. Ame says:

    ahhh … Sumo’s our friendly Canadian! i know some who live up there … it’s COLD! but beautiful 🙂

    love the song!

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  215. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    It’s so cold up there, penguins have moved south permanently.

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  216. Ame says:

    i think i’d like to move to canada from june through september … it’s gets really hot down yonder during those months.

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  217. Spawny Get says:

    “It’s gets really hot down yonder during those months”

    We have the same problem here, even the rain reaches tepid.

    Glad you enjoyed the movie.

    Utu is another. Saw it a few decades ago, quite by chance. I’m struggling to find a copy of the re-release. Time for another search perhaps.

    Teh lulz…Pakeha is honky / whitey

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  218. […] Spawny and the guys over at Spawny’s Space recommended it to me, assuring it was not a chick-flick😉 . They were teaching me about the Haka, which I saw in a clip about the All Blacks, where they were teaching me about Rugby. Since I was clueless as to anything about the Haka, which is a very serious and sacred ritual, they recommended the movie. […]

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