Uncle Toms


In the US, being called an Uncle Tom is to be called a traitor to the group you were born into.  For example, it might be used to shame  women who might sympathize with men’s plight, etc.  The primary idea is that what group you were born into should for every member totally define their world view.  If this is not sexist, racist, etc. then probably nothing is.

It is used as a method of enforcing solidarity with the group; and furthermore implying that if one leaves the group, then one might not receive any protection from the group if times get tough.  This coercion is typically needed due to the fact that these groups often have world views that make little sense and worst of all, counterproductive to the individual in their day to day living.

For example, Feminists with their implied and real hatred for men make it difficult for women to marry men.  Men see the irrational hatred, and it is always in the back of their mind when they deal with women.  “Is she a crazy feminist who is going to use some canard to justify her bad behavior” men are always thinking.

Furthermore, just having a poor model of how the world works and what is happening in it does not make for effectively navigating it.   This should be obvious, but apparently it is not.

So when Madeline Albright and Gloria Steinem try to keep women on the Hillary Reservation by effectively calling them Uncle Toms we see the dynamic in action.  Hillary is not a particularly appealing candidate, so it is unclear how it is working in this specific case.  Still we see the dynamic in action, and one can question why this is not considered to the epitome of sexism.

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68 comments on “Uncle Toms
  1. Tarnished says:

    Still we see the dynamic in action, and one can question why this is not considered to the epitome of sexism.

    Because it’s sexist to NOT say that a female candidate is best, silly.

    /massive sarcasm

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  2. Yoda says:

    “Vote for me because woman I am”
    Sexist or not this is?

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  3. Yoda says:

    If being born a women determines destiny (e.g. supporting feminism) it does,
    and escape this one cannot,
    then who is oppressing who?

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  4. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    I thought that Gloria Steinem’s and Madeline Albright’s admonishments to Bernie Snaders supporter in that instance backfired. Madelin Albright saying that those womenh who don’t support Hillary desrve a “special place in Hell”, had to infuriate a lot of women. To add to that, Gloria Steinem suggesting that young women who support Bernie were after the boys who support Bernie was a low blow too. Gloria has gotten so old that she forgets that girls like boys.
    This is an appeal to the natural herd instinct of in-group bias and groupthink that, in this corner of the internet, is referred to as Team Woman.
    By definition, it is sexist as can be and men do not do this.

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  5. Ame says:

    “Madeline Albright suggests that there is a special place in hell for women who do not support Hillary.”

    i imagine she’s going to be a bit shocked when she gets there.

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  6. Tarnished says:

    “Vote for me because woman I am”
    Sexist or not this is?

    Of course it is.
    Voting for someone based on a biological feature instead of their platform is just stupid. And in this case, yes, sexist. It is saying to forget all her campaigning and screw her mistakes or debate answers…she’s got a vagina, and that’s all that matters. It’d be like voting for a male president just because he has a dick, nevermind what he says or does during the pre-election months.

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  7. Tarnished says:

    If being born a women determines destiny (e.g. supporting feminism) it does, and escape this one cannot, then who is oppressing who?

    Don’t know. I upset some poor buttercup on Facebook today by saying I don’t believe in Patriarchy Theory aka that all men have easier lives than all women. Later found out they were a TERF who holds pretty inaccurate and disturbing views regarding transfolk and the very existence of gender too, so…I think they were oppressing themselves.

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  8. Yoda says:

    I Oppress myself,
    therefore I am

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  9. Tarnished says:

    That’s kinda how they think, Yoda.

    “If I don’t defend my victim status, how will I know I matter?”

    Such a screwed up locus of identity, and a great demotivator. Allows the giving up of personal autonomy while claiming that it was taken by some nebulous Other aspect of society. Quite devious, whoever first thought of it.

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  10. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    I had fotgotten what TERF stood for, so I looked it up.
    http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/TERF
    I think that most second wave feminists would qualify.

    “I opress myself, therefore I am.”
    That groan in the distance is Rene Descartes.

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  11. Liz says:

    Wouldn’t the proper term in this case be Aunt Jemima, or some such? 🙂

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  12. Liz says:

    ““If I don’t defend my victim status, how will I know I matter?”

    Such a screwed up locus of identity, and a great demotivator. Allows the giving up of personal autonomy while claiming that it was taken by some nebulous Other aspect of society. Quite devious, whoever first thought of it.”

    In an environment where only self-identified victims are permitted success, perhaps it’s not demotivational. It’s a lot easier to be a victim than actually expend effort.

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  13. Tarnished says:

    I think that most second wave feminists would qualify.

    As well as a not insignificant number of 3rd wavers. I don’t mind that they have an opinion regarding gender dysphoria/trans that is opposite of mine, but the way they express it sounds like it was taken out of Mein Kampf. *shudder*

    It’s a lot easier to be a victim than actually expend effort.

    But if one never moves from victim to survivor, then one is necessarily stuck in a state where growth and self-actualization is impossible.

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  14. Yoda says:

    Wonder if deep down “Uncle Tom accusers” sense the contradictions I do

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  15. Yoda says:

    Or perhaps no contradictions there are,
    when a member of a victim group one is.

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  16. Yoda says:

    Perhaps victim groups distort space-time the do,
    such that normal logic applies not

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  17. Yoda says:

    Such a screwed up locus of identity

    Define themselves this way they..
    Feel compelled to define others that way also they do.
    Misery company loves it does

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  18. Yoda says:

    But if one never moves from victim to survivor

    “Survivor” higher status it is?
    Perhaps why “rape survivor” so pushed it is

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  19. Yoda says:

    . I don’t believe in Patriarchy Theory aka that all men have easier lives than all women.

    Wonder how many people do I do

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  20. Yoda says:

    Voting for someone based on a biological feature instead of their platform is just stupid.

    If the biological feature “hotness” it is,
    Compelling it might be.

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  21. Yoda says:

    Furthermore, just having a poor model of how the world works and what is happening in it does not make for effectively navigating it.

    Odd that the “victims” can see this not.
    Perhaps human nature appealing makes victimhood it does

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  22. Yoda says:

    Glorious Patriarch probably doing something glorious he is

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  23. Tarnished says:

    “Survivor” higher status it is?

    No. Or not in the way we’re talking about here, where it gives a social “status”.

    You accept what happened in your past, acknowledge that it has impacted you mentally and/or physically, forgive (or not) those that harmed you, but then you move forward with your life. Thus, you have survived instead of remaining stuck in the mire of being a victim who lacks control.

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  24. Tarnished says:

    If the biological feature “hotness” it is,
    Compelling it might be.

    Nope. A “hot” idiot is still an idiot. A cow patty wrapped in a satin box with a silk bow doesn’t stop being a piece of shit.

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  25. Tarnished says:

    Glorious Patriarch probably doing something glorious he is

    I vote that he’s down at the pub having bangers and mash, hanging out with his neighbors having a cold one, or playing Portal flanked by 2 pussies on his couch.

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  26. Tarnished says:

    I don’t believe in Patriarchy Theory aka that all men have easier lives than all women.

    Wonder how many people do I do

    The majority population in my neck of the woods.

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  27. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Tarn,
    You’re a girl. Hotness can make men weak at the knees. It may be a remnant of a Jedi mind trick that went wrong a long, long time ago in a galaxy far, far away.

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  28. Ame says:

    Tarnished says:

    6 April, 2016 at 5:55 pm

    “Survivor” higher status it is?

    No. Or not in the way we’re talking about here, where it gives a social “status”.

    You accept what happened in your past, acknowledge that it has impacted you mentally and/or physically, forgive (or not) those that harmed you, but then you move forward with your life. Thus, you have survived instead of remaining stuck in the mire of being a victim who lacks control.

    =======

    yes.

    and forgiving ourselves seems to be the hardest of all, doesn’t it.

    an excellent book on forgiveness that helped me a lot:
    Forgiving the Unforgivable by Dr David Stoop.

    it allowed for the process of forgiveness – the process being crucial.

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  29. Tarnished says:

    You’re a girl. Hotness can make men weak at the knees.

    “Hotness” can do that to me too, Fuzzie. I have been known to spend way too much money or drive way too late (early?) in the day, just to get sex from my guy. If it’s been more than a few days since we’ve seen each other, I’ll literally swoon inside when I see him again.

    Difference is…I only react with weak knees and fluttering stomach to hotness I know I have a legitimate chance of getting with.

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  30. Tarnished says:

    and forgiving ourselves seems to be the hardest of all, doesn’t it.

    I definitely don’t want to turn this thread into a therapy session, but I will admit you are right. I still haven’t forgiven myself for my mom and stepfather’s divorce. I still think to myself, if I’d just left home at 16 instead of 17, or pushed to become legally emancipated, or just kept my mouth shut for another 9 months…

    But I didn’t, which I’m very confident prevented something even worse from happening to me the night I told her. The past is the past. The future is what we have more control over. It’s what should be focused on. 🏁

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  31. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Speaking of hotness, I may never forgive Yoda for linking this video.

    Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. The bear suit she is wearing is killing me. 😉

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  32. Yoda says:

    Fuzzie Bear,

    More glorious than the Patriach the video would be?

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  33. Yoda says:

    Hotness can make men weak at the knees

    The incessant exploitation of which bad for society it is.
    Restrictions there should be

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  34. Yoda says:

    and forgiving ourselves seems to be the hardest of all, doesn’t it.

    Only for some people true this is.
    Other people care little they do

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  35. Tarnished says:

    Lol, Fuzzie. 😀

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  36. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Thank you, Tarn. I am still sweet on Fluffle Puff too. Call me a two timer.

    Yoda,
    Glorious Video! Sorry, Spawny.

    It’s the bear suit.

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  37. Tarnished says:

    The incessant exploitation of which bad for society it is.
    Restrictions there should be.

    I’d like to seriously discuss this, because it seems to be a highly individualistic preference amongst the male commenters of the ‘sphere.

    For example, we have people like Lon, who spoke of the intense pain he associated with something as simple as grocery shopping in the summer and he’d be “forced” to see all the hot young women of his town dressed in tank tops + shorts. It was torment for him to always look but never touch.

    Then there was a comment I recall from one of the first manosphere forums I read years ago, where the guy lived in a college town with a split between regular American girls and study visa Indian girls. He claimed that the more covered clothing of the immigrant women made him feel highly protective of them. However, he also said that the American women, with their skinny jeans, loose blouses, and low t-shirts just made him want to rape them. (Not an exaggeration…he used the term rape numerous times in his post.)

    And then, on yet *another* hand, we have guys like some of the commenters at Bloom’s or on PUA sites, who specifically want women to show off their bodies more. Please correct me if I’m attributing this wrong, but I think it was TSK who said women should refrain from wearing bras/padded bras to allow their nipples to show for whatever reason. And I’ve previously had commenters on my blog who said that they absolutely hated “prudish” women who wore shirts and pants that didn’t flaunt their cleavage or asses.

    It’s kinda like how one guy will say he thinks makeup is gross and a manipulative form of false advertising that women should be banned from using…but then you turn around and another dude is complaining about a woman he saw at the mall who had the audacity to step out of her home with an unpainted face.

    I don’t think there’s any way to make everyone happy.

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  38. Yoda says:

    I don’t think there’s any way to make everyone happy

    This is the issue not.

    The issue about exploitation and negative societal effects it is

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  39. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Yoda,
    Would you be talking about teasing favors out of men? They have to know that they are teasing.

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  40. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    However, it would be hard to say no to Annie Lennox if she were wearing the bear suit.
    But, that’ just me.

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  41. Tarnished says:

    The issue about exploitation and negative societal effects it is.

    Can you go into more description, or use an example? I want to make sure we’re starting from the same page.

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  42. Yoda says:

    “Concentrated power used selfishly and unethically” the issue would be.
    Impacts on a societal scale it does have

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  43. Tarnished says:

    To clarify on my end, I’m confused about how one can fully differentiate between an attractive female using her body to “tease favors out of men” as Fuzzie says vs men throwing favors at attractive women who are not asking for them.

    The former is quite obviously bad, but how to know it is not the second? Or better yet, is there a way to help *prevent* men from getting weak kneed via random hotness they meet? Can one be taught fungibility towards those they find more attractive than normal?

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  44. Yoda says:

    Tarn,

    Oppenheimer explains it well he does

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  45. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Yoda,
    After seeing that, I had to put on a sweater. Brrrrr

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  46. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Off topic, Karen Straughan on consent.

    As she states it, there is no way any guy can walk through this minefield.

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  47. Farm Boy says:

    Of course, Oppenheimer was reflecting on the first atomic bomb explosion. He might as well had been considering women in a situation where they are using all of their assets in an environment which allows unrestrained hypergamy.

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  48. Farm Boy says:

    Ms. Straughan needs longer hair

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  49. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Farm Boy,
    The Atomic Bomb has been used only in two instances by one nation. It could be that what feminism has unleashed is more dangerous.

    I think she would look better with more hair too. Will she listen to us? No.

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  50. Tarnished says:

    I think she would look better with more hair too. Will she listen to us? No.

    Sometimes long hair just isn’t practical. I don’t necessarily think she’d look better with much longer hair (like shoulder length or longer), but if she wanted to look feminine there are other styles she could have that still keeps it out of her face/away from her neck, and she’d only have to grow it 2 or 3 inches.

    However, I thought she was “genderqueer”, so she’s likely similar to me and doesn’t care about looking feminine.

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  51. Tarnished says:

    He might as well had been considering women in a situation where they are using all of their assets in an environment which allows unrestrained hypergamy.

    So then I’ll repeat my question at 12:20am;

    Or better yet, is there a way to help *prevent* men from getting weak kneed via random hotness they meet? Can one be taught fungibility towards those they find more attractive than normal?

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  52. Liz says:

    “However, I thought she was “genderqueer”, so she’s likely similar to me and doesn’t care about looking feminine.”

    Yeah, I think looking purposely masculine is kind of part of her schtick.

    Per female manipulation, brought up above. Here are some scenarios:
    1) Hooker asks John for 50 dollars for a blow, he gives her 50 dollars and she blows him.
    2) Hooker asks John for 50 dollars for a blow, he gives her 50 dollars and she takes the money and runs without providing said service.
    3) Girl says she will “be his girlfriend if he gives her a bracelet” he gives her a bracelet and she is his girlfriend (at least, for a little while).

    I don’t see how number three is much different from number one. It’s an exchange that was agreed upon either way. Number two is theft. Then there’s a situation where one might not comply in exactly the expected/agreed manner, which might be fraud.

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  53. Liz says:

    Not that you look purposely masculine, I should add, Tarn. I’ve never seen you. 🙂
    But that definitely seems to be the case for Karen.

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  54. SFC Ton says:

    Biological factors have been and will continue to be the best reason to vote for someone. No one will take care of you like your kith and kin

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  55. Tarnished says:

    Not that you look purposely masculine, I should add, Tarn. I’ve never seen you.

    I don’t look purposely masculine or feminine, other than my very short hair. I’ll wear pants or shirts from either the men’s or women’s section, depending on fit and style. No dresses, skirts, or blouses though. 😛 😉

    I don’t see how number three is much different from number one. It’s an exchange that was agreed upon either way.

    It really isn’t different, because both are based on sexual/romantic access in exchange for material goods. Scenario #2 is definitely theft, no question about it.
    Now, a situation where sexual pleasure is exchanged for sexual pleasure…I’d see how that is still a “transaction” at the heart of it, but it’d be different than either #1 or #3.

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  56. Yoda says:

    Very small the aggressions are,

    The National Science Foundation is spending over $500,000 to videotape male engineering students while they work in labs to see if they are causing women to experience “microaggressions.”

    The University of Michigan received the funding for a three-year project that is studying whether male college students ignore their fellow female classmates’ work.

    “Because engineering is cast as a masculine field, women engineering students can experience subtle yet pervasive stereotypic messages in their learning environments that can negatively influence their experiences,” according to the grant for the study. “This early stage research project will identify specific behavioral manifestations of gender stereotypes—microaggressions—and their cumulative effect on learning, performance, and persistence in introductory engineering course teamwork.”

    http://freebeacon.com/issues/feds-spend-500k-microaggressions/

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  57. Yoda says:


    The fact that women are dramatically underrepresented at the highest tiers of American corporate leadership—and that, for many years, they were greeted with discrimination and dismissal when they tried to break in—has given rise to an understandable effort, especially at elite financial and technology companies, to increase gender diversity on corporate boards. Initially, feminists argued that such efforts were important as a matter of basic fairness—to redress the effects of discrimination, past and present. Recently, however, some of the more ardent champions of corporate diversity have taken to making a different, and more provocative, argument: that increasing the share of women on boards and workgroups dramatically improves companies’ economic performance.

    The problem, argues Northwestern University Professor Alice Eagly in a recent paper in the Journal of Social Issues, is that such claims—while usually backed by the best of intentions—simply don’t hold up under scrutiny. They are based on a combination of substandard research, a misreading of that research by impassioned political activists, and the failure of social scientists to act as “honest brokers” when they “produce findings that are not what advocates want to hear.” From the abstract:
    In an ideal world, social science research would provide a strong basis for advocacy and social policy. However, advocates sometimes misunderstand or even ignore scientific research in pursuit of their goals, especially when research pertains to controversial questions of social inequality. To illustrate the chasm that can develop between research findings and advocates’ claims, this article addresses two areas: (a) the effects of the gender diversity of corporate boards of directors on firms’ financial performance and (b) the effects of the gender and racial diversity of workgroups on group performance. Despite advocates’ insistence that women on boards enhance corporate performance and that diversity of task groups enhances their performance, research findings are mixed, and repeated meta-analyses have yielded average correlational findings that are null or extremely small.

    http://www.the-american-interest.com/2016/04/05/gender-diversity-doesnt-boost-corporate-profits/

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  58. Yoda says:

    Perhaps Patriarch doing this he was,

    Ready to cringe? A group of Chinese motorists drove the Sichuan-Tibet Highway in a fleet of Italian cars, fording streams and hopping rocky terrain as they went. Well, they attempted to drive it, anyway. Only five of the cars managed to survive the truly unnecessary ordeal.

    http://www.autoblog.com/2016/04/05/ferrari-maserati-trashed-china-sichuan-tibet-highway

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  59. Yoda says:

    Norte Dame supposedly a Catholic University it is,

    Catholics celebrated the Feast of the Annunciation on Monday, when the Virgin Mary said “yes” to God and Christ was conceived in her womb through the power of the Holy Spirit. But at the University of Notre Dame, a number of students spent Monday night on campus listening to former Texas State Senator Wendy Davis describe the benefits for women of choosing abortion or using contraception.

    http://thefederalist.com/2016/04/06/wendy-davis-hypes-abortion-at-notre-dame-on-feast-of-the-annunciation/

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  60. Yoda says:

    Wondered about this I did

    Celebrities’ naked selfies are a statement of their wealth and position. They can get naked without consequences. The rest of us, however, can’t.

    If a female celebrity drops out of the news for awhile or seems to be losing the public’s eye, there’s a very easy way to get attention back: get naked.

    I’m not saying this is necessarily why these women take their clothes off (and I’m not saying it isn’t) but I am saying it happens with relative frequency. In the last year we’ve seen , Miley Cyrus, and Kim Kardashian (several times) pose nude.

    http://thefederalist.com/2016/04/06/kim-kardashian-needs-to-learn-that-public-nudity-isnt-empowering/

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  61. Yoda says:

    Not a padawan candidate this person is,

    male-to-female transgender woman who prefers the pronoun “it” says it believes it was born not only the wrong sex, but also the wrong species, and has been undergoing human-to-dragon transition procedures to fix the problem

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/433724/male-to-female-transgender-woman-becoming-dragon

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  62. Yoda says:

    year-old, who was born “Richard Hernandez” but now goes by “Eva Tiamat Baphomet Medusa,” has already had a whole slew of transformative work done: Tooth extraction, eye coloring, horn implants, ear removal (!), nose modification and a procedure to give it a forked tongue.

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  63. Spawny Get says:

    What is this thing of which you speak? ‘couch’? Some sort of sofa for colonial types?

    Visitors + busy…

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  64. Yoda says:

    A new post there is

    Like

  65. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Yoda,
    I had hoped that Wendy Davis would retire to obscurity following her being trounced in the Texas gubinitorial election.
    I did notice that she was invited by the Gender Stusies Dept.. It may be time for Catholic colleges and universities to reconsider the wisdom of having those departments.

    Liz,
    I looked for the and failed to find the commercial in which a guy gives up his lunch to a girl who promised to be his girlfriend.. Hr gives it up and she runs away. Not only is he heartbroken, he’s hungry.
    I can identify with that.

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