“What Would You Do?”


The following story is true. All names have been altered to protect the guilty.

Through their mother, my kids are 1/32 Lenape. They once qualified for a Native American Heritage class, although the kids with far larger Native ancestry genetics didn’t make them feel welcome. One of the interesting things I learned about from their class materials was that when a Lenape couple decided that they could live together no longer, one would put the other’s belongings outside the residence. No public fights, no divorce lawyers; a nice clean break – and everyone knew it.

We’ve frequently discussed the problems men especially face from the divorce industry, so I shouldn’t have to explain in detail why many men aren’t in a big hurry to initiate proceedings. But if the Lenape separation practice were the norm in the Land of the White Eyes, would it happen more often? I suspect so!

Like most co-workers everywhere, at my place of employment we discuss our relationship issues to a limited degree. For instance, one co-worker constantly harps about how his wife is a non-stop chatterbox. Is it just a coincidence he’s literally going deaf? Another started up a relationship with a debt-swamped neighbor after his bipolar wife tried swan-diving off the top of a tall building while he was at work. A third lives with a retired chain-smoking television addict who suffers from migraines, and yet expects her severely diabetic husband to go buy her cigarettes so she doesn’t miss her shows.

You now know as much about their relationships as I do. It’s just enough for male acquaintance bonding purposes. Their knowledge of my relationship issues is about as limited as my representations to you about theirs, and you regulars know more than they do about mine if you’ve regularly read my posts during my tenure here at Spawny’s.

Just days ago, another co-worker (I’ll call him Joe) shared with me his recent developments. Joe’s never been very expressive about his domestic arrangement, yet he tells me that his youngest of three offspring finally started her own life away from the natal nest.

Like many fathers, this would be a notable achievement in itself, considering how many offspring never make the leap to living away from the parentals (as three of my own have yet to do). Like many fathers, he expected that his wife would return to seeing only him in her life, and want to restart the honeymoon (as too many television commercials hint at while trying to sell you Viagra and other such “necessities” for a “happy” marriage).

What connubial bliss they once had has evaporated into the Great California Drought. Joe says (and I take him at his word) that he hasn’t gotten any sex in months despite frequent attempts, and he’s beginning to think he never will again – at least with her. He announced, “I can’t even remember the last time I had sex.” His attitude was that if she wasn’t going to be part of his life, he’d get one going without her if he got the chance.

What he’s done was to join three different party bands so that he’s too busy on weekends to do much with her when off work, and she’s apparently OK with this growing distance between them. None of these bands play very often. But as anyone who’s ever done this knows, you can attract female interest just as if “You’re So Professional, Howie….[like] Robert Planet and Elton John and all those big guys” (see: The Mothers Live At Fillmore East at about 23:00, or listen to Do You Like My New Car if you don’t want to listen to the entire show. Just be aware it’s a bit risqué. Actually, it’s a LOT risqué! Don’t complain I didn’t warn you!!!). Joe hasn’t said if he’s been hit on at these gigs yet, but my experiences remind me that it can happen, and probably will sooner or later. Based on the following, I suspect it already has.

So Joe asks me point-blank: “If you had a chance to get some strange, would you? I mean, without ending your existing relationship?”

This caught me short. As I was driving to a job site at the time, I had to focus on that as well. “What makes you think I know anything about that situation?” I replied, stalling for time to think about this.

“Hypothetically,” he answers.

We had arrived at the job site, and attended to our assigned tasks. Once completed, as we were returning to our base of operations, I brought up his question.

“Regarding your earlier questions: were I in your shoes, I’d be most concerned about my privacy. No Facebook, no Tweets, no pictures spread across the Internet or emailed to all her friends, no awkward intrusions into my life. I would have to trust that my home life was completely separate from my interaction with her, and that she would be OK with honoring the boundaries of my separate life without her. Otherwise, it’s a no-go.”

This must have gotten him thinking, for that was the end of the conversation – at least for the moment.

So what do you all think?

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I’ve been having Internet equipment problems lately. This particular connection is being made on old equipment which may not last long. So if I don’t soon respond to comments, it’s not because I don’t want to.

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134 comments on ““What Would You Do?”
  1. Spawny Get says:

    I’m not one for cheating, but I’d sure be looking for options to split up. I guess that he has life time alimony to look forward to.

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  2. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Blurkel,
    Your buddy’s wife has been planning this a long time. He needs to get informed fast with good info before he does anything. I have heard too many women say they wish their husbands would cheat and give them an excuse to blw up the marriage.
    There is something else that just makes me angry. Where do women get off deciding unilaterally to go celibate? Fine for them to decide for themselves but, they are taking their men with them.
    When I first started here at Spawny’s Space, he warned that grey divorce was going to explode. I guess, it’s always about what women want, when they want it.
    I need to do more head scratching.

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  3. Liz says:

    “Get a piece of strange” makes it sound like a singular event. By contrast, the list you mentioned, Blurkel, sounds more like taking on a mistress or something. Either one is high level risk territory. Life isn’t really a textbook perfect scenario. Murphy’s law applies. On the other hand, if the wife actually doesn’t care if he takes up a mistress, that’s far less complicated.

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  4. Spawny Get says:

    “I have heard too many women say they wish their husbands would cheat and give them an excuse to blw up the marriage.”

    Blurkel’s mate should consider this…

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  5. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    The first thing to do is talk to a divorce attorney. Normally, I would say confront the wife but, that would be showing his hand. I am sorry to be pro-divorce but, she crossed the line when she decided to be celbate for both of them. In the old days, that would be grounds for divorce under “alienation of affections”.
    What the wife does not realize is that by splitting the pensions, etc. they will be paidd 50/50 for the duration of each one’s life. Had they stuck it out, She would still recieve 100% as the husband normally predeceases the wife.

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  6. Cill says:

    Joe should also be aware that if he sulks due to lack of sex, or “threatens” his wife that he will seek sex elsewhere if there’s none at home, he will have committed rape within the definitions that apply in Australia. The same broad definitions might also apply in parts of America. The definition was posted at Tarn’s blog quite a long time ago. I’d look it up for you now if I had the time. I’d recommend that he arm himself to the teeth with information before he does anything. Not just about the law. About her as well. I’d trust her as I’d trust a snake in the grass.

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  7. Spawny Get says:

    it’s sure to be ‘domestic violence’

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  8. Tarnished says:

    So Joe asks me point-blank: “If you had a chance to get some strange, would you? I mean, without ending your existing relationship?”

    If I was in a legally committed, long-term relationship where my only sexual partner decided to become celibate for no reason…yes. I would. Especially if divorce would leave me high and dry.

    If there was a legitimate medical/psychological reason behind his lack of desire such as depression, decrease in penile sensitivity due to age, diabetes, body image issues…I could work with any of that. Hell, I *already* deal with the first one with my FwB and though frustrating it isn’t the end of the world.

    But that isn’t what Joe is talking about. He’s talking about a wife who has cut off all forms of sex for a ridiculously extended period of time and, presumably, doesn’t see a problem with doing so. That is very different than a partner who knows there’s something wrong and actively talks about it, tries to combat it, and still makes attempts to have sex when they feel up to it.

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  9. Tarnished says:

    However, if I had an excellent divorce lawyer who would guarantee me a fairly clean break with most of my assets intact…Well, that would definitely be the preferred route. Less of a double life, and no reason to keep tabs on anyone or anything.

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  10. Tarnished says:

    The definition was posted at Tarn’s blog quite a long time ago.

    Wasn’t that on one of the very first threads you commented on, Cill? I can try to find it…

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  11. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Cill,
    What kind of laws are they writing in Australia? Sulking because he is turned down for sex is the equivilent of rape?
    Please find the link.
    Why are there any men left in Australia?

    Tarn,
    Yes, it would be very different if the causes were natural.

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  12. Cill says:

    Fuzzy look at the Tarn’s first MGTOW survey. If it’s not there try the posts following that. I’ll be tied up most of today and tomorrow. I’d be interested in an update on those rules or indicators of rape (or whatever they were called).

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  13. Tarnished says:

    I’m looking now. I believe the first time Spawny and I “met” Cill was the post directly prior to the actual MGTOW survey.

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  14. Tarnished says:

    Ah HA! Found Cill’s comment: https://tarnishedsophia.wordpress.com/2014/04/24/mgtow-survey/#comment-2729

    Also…damn, but it was good to read back through my old posts. It is just amazing how in depth and stimulating the initial conversations between Cill, Spawny, and I were.

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  15. Tarnished says:

    And thank goodness for the “find in page” feature. 😛

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  16. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Tarn,
    You had good threads.
    Cill,
    You had me going for a while. I thought sulking after being refused was as mush as rape. I do sulk a lot. What a manipulative stand to take. It’s like”Take your cod liver oil and like it!”

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  17. Spawny Get says:

    Yeah Fuzzie, far be it for me to cast nasturtiums but… back in those days, Tarn wrote posts.

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  18. Yoda says:

    Write posts again she should

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  19. Spawny Get says:

    Aspersions, nasturtiums…old joke

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  20. Liz says:

    I myself try to refrain from casting dispersions.

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  21. Tarnished says:

    Write posts again she should

    I’m already at 64 hours of work this week as of today’s shift, Yoda.
    I am but a man!

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  22. Tarnished says:

    Woman.

    Unicorn.

    Freakazoid.

    You know what I mean…

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  23. Tarnished says:

    I hear there’s this thing called “having a life”.
    It sounds pretty nice. 😛

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  24. Spawny Get says:

    ‘Human’ was too much?

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  25. Spawny Get says:

    You could try a lazy day spent polishing your horn for relaxation.

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  26. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Tarn
    Your woek must end today. If if started on sunday, something would be amiss.
    Your participatind is appreciated. 🌯 🌯 🌯 All stacked on your horn.

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  27. Tarnished says:

    ‘Human’ was too much?

    …*scratches head*

    Um. Hmm.

    On a scale of 1-10, how weird would you think I was if I say I honestly didn’t even think of using that term? 😕

    You could try a lazy day spent polishing your horn for relaxation.

    Silly patriarch.
    I already do that every morning before showering.

    🌯 🌯 🌯 All stacked on your horn.

    Kinky.

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  28. Yoda says:

    What will you do?

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  29. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Silly unicorn, burritos are for eating! Yum!

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  30. Liz says:

    “What would you do?”
    Makes me think of this one, it does:

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  31. Liz says:

    People sure were thinner in 1978.

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  32. Spawny Get says:

    Shirley this is a poor time for the beloved leader’s party to implode so close to the brexit vote that he needs to beat?

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  33. Spawny Get says:

    Oh noes

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  34. Tarnished says:

    Silly unicorn, burritos are for eating

    True, bear.
    Guess my mind just gallops away with the sex jokes. Probably has to do with being a horny horse…I’ll try to rein in the puns. Wouldn’t want to stirrup any trouble, y’know.

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  35. Spawny Get says:

    And if you like your president, you can fucking keep your president’s big fat nose out of our affairs and his big fat gob shut.

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  36. Yoda says:

    The Queen shunned Obama she did

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  37. Spawny Get says:

    I’m sure that Her Majesty accorded the potus all due respect. She is the Queen after all.

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  38. blurkel says:

    @ Spawny

    Aspersions, nasturtiums…old joke

    Giggle. Snicker! Chortle!! Guffaw!!! Cachinnate!!!! . . . .

    I have heard too many women say they wish their husbands would cheat and give them an excuse to blw up the marriage.” Blurkel’s mate should consider this…

    Set the Wayback Machine to January 17, 1991, Sherman. As George HW Bush was launching Shock and Awe on Baghdad, I was asked to depart my domestic domain in a coup d’etat staged by my erstwhile distaff partner. I was listening to the news reports about the bombing as I was attempting to regain my balance in the sudden turbulence, both international and domestic.

    I was in the process of establishing alternate living arrangements a few weeks later when my daughter called me at work and asked me to show up for dinner at the old homestead. Seems her mother discovered that her strategic assault upon our relationship wasn’t exactly in her best interests. She was very nice to me that night, clearly an attempt to make amends so that I’d return. I wish now that I hadn’t. But at least she has never again hinted that separation or divorce is her intention. It would have to come from me, and as someone else posted in the comments, why settle for half of what remains after the lawyers take theirs when you can have access to all of it?

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  39. Spawny Get says:

    Shunning sounds about right for the anglophobic politician after all. We used to make such upstarts kiss the gunner’s daughter.

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  40. Spawny Get says:

    Sorry about being so cryptic, should have let the cat out of the bag earlier

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  41. Spawny Get says:

    http://www.wisegeek.org/what-are-the-origins-of-the-phrase-let-the-cat-out-of-the-bag.htm
    I went for a decent reference, didn’t want you to think you’d bought a pig in a poke.

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  42. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Spawny Get,
    Where does our president get off dictating to your country on matters of national soveriegnty?
    Not recieving him at Windsor was the most polite thing she could do.

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  43. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Blurkel,
    She has been making plans for years. Maybe more than twenty five of them.

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  44. Yoda says:

    Where does our president get off dictating to your country on matters of national soveriegnty?

    Where does the EU get off dictating to your country on matters of national soveriegnty?

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  45. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Yoda,
    To your second question, I hope that a reterendum in the near future will resolve that.

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  46. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Yoda,
    What ever happened to Woodrw Wilson’s concept of the self determination of nations? It seems that so many succeeding US Presidents upheld it.

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  47. BuenaVista says:

    Your “colleague” has more to worry about than getting busted by his wife, if he steps out.

    If his paramour becomes emotionally attached, she may well *ensure* that they are discovered, for one or both of two reasons:

    a. in order to force him to be her one and only.
    b. to punish him for not being her one and only.

    Discovery can be accomplished “by accident”: she’ll be intentionally sloppy with electronic communications, for example; she’ll leave her phone and computer around for her husband, if she has one; she’ll contact the colleague at dinner time. This is the adultery version of “it just happened!” In the old days she might write an anonymous letter to the spurned wife, outing her lover; today she’ll leave location tracking functional on her phone, and share an account with her spouse.

    Most iffy marriages involve a fair amount of easily accomplished surveillance. Your colleague could already have a GPS tracker attached underneath his truck.

    BTW, I read that an insanely high percentage of divorce litigation now involves Facebook activity. Social media and tradecraft do not mix well.

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  48. Liz says:

    “Discovery can be accomplished “by accident”: she’ll be intentionally sloppy with electronic communications, for example; she’ll leave her phone and computer around for her husband, if she has one; she’ll contact the colleague at dinner time. This is the adultery version of “it just happened!” In the old days she might write an anonymous letter to the spurned wife, outing her lover; today she’ll leave location tracking functional on her phone, and share an account with her spouse.”

    Yep. That’s what I was trying to hint at above by “Murphy’s law”. The “accident” might even be literal. Example: “Hey, let me drive, you’ve had a little too much to drink. Followed by, “Oh noes! We seem to have had an accident!” Women are sneaky. Women who purposely fuck married men are typically among the most sneaky.

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  49. See Marla Maples, for example.

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  50. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    “Women are sneaky. Women who purposely fuck married men are typically among the most sneaky.”
    Liz,
    As a single boy bear Tarn described “cinnamon roll” , I am afaid enough as it is. Do you mean to tell me it gets worse?

    Bloom,
    Please espand.

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  51. Liz says:

    There aren’t a lot of nice girls that go after married men, Fuzzie. I’m sure there are exceptions (something that develops over time, if the married man is unhappy, or something). But typically, they aren’t very nice people.
    Heh, my mom was one. She preferred to date married men (before my dad, who was divorced at the time).

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  52. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    A tale of two false rappe allegations from COTWA
    http://www.cotwa.info/2016/03/reporter-who-spread-vile-false-rape.html

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  53. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Liz,
    I can see your point but, this thing just gets worse and worse. I can also see how “preselection” can play into it.
    This works directly against sinle men who are honest. Sick.

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  54. Yoda says:

    Marines across the Corps will be challenged on their unconscious prejudices and presuppositions as women get the opportunity to become grunts for the first time.

    The Marine Corps is rolling out mandatory training for all Marines before the first future female rifleman hits boot camp, aiming to set conditions for a smooth transition and head off cultural resistance.

    http://www.military.com/daily-news/2016/03/18/all-marines-unconscious-bias-training-women-join-infantry.html

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  55. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Yoda,
    One of the teachers at my grade school was a Marine in WWII. While I don’t know what she did, she indirectly made a contribution to the war effort by freeing up a Marine to join a rifle company. That is as it should be.
    What they are attempting now not going to help and we will find that out once the fat is in the fire.

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  56. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    While it has gone quiet, I thought to answer a few points from the original post.
    One of the things your friend needs to line up is a place to sleep that would be available on a moment’s notice.. Does a buddy have a spare room?
    He should be set up with a “go bag”. Something he can grab on the the way out the door.
    Needed documents should be in a safety deposit box.
    I am sure there are a million of them but, I haven’t been threough the drill.

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  57. Cill says:

    Thanks for finding the link, Tarn. http://www.aphroditewounded.org/definitions.html
    IS SEX BY COERCIVE PRESSURE RAPE?
    Yes. Sexual activity using emotionally distressing tactics of coercion such as sulking, becoming angry with you, withdrawing affection, withholding household money or blackmail i.e. I’ll leave you; I’ll go and sleep with somebody else; I’ll spread rumours about you”. Finkelhor and Yllo call this type of rape ‘interpersonal coercion’ and state that it has devaluing and traumatic effect on women (3). Furthermore, research has found that a higher proportion of women are upset by threats to leave them, than women subjected to physical force.(4).

    Some people find calling this type of sexual coercion rape contentious. The basis of this is usually that the coercion involved here is different than that involved in rape where physical violence has been committed or explicitly threatened. “She didn’t say no” becomes the catchcry. But did she say “yes” and under what circumstances? In Australia it is now recognized legally that doing or saying nothing to indicate free agreement to sexual contact, may under law be recognized as “absence of consent”.

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  58. Cill says:

    I can envisage “sulking” etc being used as excuses to negate consent, as in “Yes mean Yes unless it is coerced by sulking.” The aim of feminism is to render men defenseless against their female accusers.

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  59. SFC Ton says:

    Most of the time when women do things they have multiple layers of why. Never very complex but so convoluted it can take some work to untangle the bullshit. Baring something medical, if Joe’s wife isn’t putting out she is making some sort of power play. Might already be fucking another dude, might be looking around for the next cock, might want to set Joe up so he’ll cheat and she will have moral covering for ending the marriage or very likely all the above and a few more reasons as well.

    All of life is risk management; Joe needs a battle plan but this is how women act when they know their beta draft horse will stay put and pull the load regardless

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  60. SFC Ton says:

    also

    there aren’t a lot of nice girls. Full stop.

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  61. Yoda says:

    “Sulk-Rape”
    Odd it would be

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  62. horseman says:

    There is no faithfulness, only lack of appropriate temptation.

    Man or woman, would you for ten million?
    Ok 10 bucks?

    Its all which is of more value to the target, the temptation or what is lost by the penalty.

    This is the risk of the complacent partner. Their value slips away based on the reliance of the pain of faithlessness.

    Eventually it becomes “what do I have to lose? How could it get worse even if I get caught?” Once that point is reached it is just timing for temptation to come.

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  63. Spawny Get says:

    Dave Camermong’s latest train wreck in the making. Having made a right horlicks of the budget, he’s now promising to do stupid shit appealing to women and green loons that will get him knocked back by the EU
    http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/03/20/is-cameron-really-going-to-get-a-victory-on-the-tampon-tax/

    Dave really is the Wayne Kerr of the third millennium.

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  64. BuenaVista says:

    I think that a lot of women check out — WGTOW — within their state marriages. Their obesity, cigarettes and tv habit (or tennis and ladies-lunching) are just the way they express their departure. The draft horses thus have lots of reasons to deny the obvious — until they’re poleaxed.

    ***

    I just listened to 30 minutes of Official State Radio (NPR). The words “Islam” and “Muslim” didn’t come up, oddly. This is post-modern theatre, not the behavior of people who are interested in reality. Belgium was a powerful colonial power just 60 years ago. The contraptions known as the nation-state are quaint mechanisms for rewarding small in-groups. I do think they are correct: The majority of their income-providing subjects are more interested in football, sex and junk food than reality.

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  65. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    From reading Spawny’s link, I am not about to have unprotected sex in Massachusetts. It would not surprise me if there are women conniving enough to research that in advance.
    Sheesh!

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  66. Yoda says:

    Tips from Milo,

    1) Don’t act like a rabid animal

    If you’re going to rush into the event venue with red paint dripping down your face, making shrieking noises in an attempt to drown me out, I will win. Thanks to your bizarre antics at Rutgers, the attention of the world’s media was drawn to me and my message. Much like violence at Trump rallies (probably committed by the same people), your wild-eyed exploits only grows my army and gives me attention.

    2) Do your homework

    The most significant handicap for progressives is that they often don’t understand their own positions. If you’re going to challenge me, make sure you understand your own argument. I have no problem making you look foolish for being unprepared.

    I sympathise with the fact that nothing triggers Gender Studies activists more than actually studying, but reading and understanding data is critical, regardless of what your Marxist professor taught you.

    Emotionally-charged positions are usually the easiest for me to dismantle, so leave your emotions at the door. You need to challenge me with substantive and rational arguments if you want a chance to come out on top. Your emotions serve you no purpose in our debate. (Apart from amusing me — which shouldn’t be discounted.)

    Basically, I don’t care about your feelings and neither does anyone else.

    3) Stump me in the Q&A, not during my speech

    Because I like to dedicate the largest portion of my events to questions from the audience, refrain from disruptions during my speech. The airhorns, chanting and yelling aren’t helping your cause as much as they are helping mine. If you want to challenge my positions, wait your turn like everyone else.

    As Teddy Roosevelt almost said, speak softly but carry a big glittery stick of Truth wrapped in bitchy one-liners. I know quietly listening goes against every feminist bone in your body and big stick is a horrifically gauche anatomical analogy for a strong question, but… like I said, fuck your feelings.

    4) Whichever side resorts to violence, intimidation or aggression, loses

    My army never does this. They may be high-testosterone alphas, but they aren’t going to waste their energy on you.

    5) Your University’s reputation is in your hands. Remember that

    Remember that it’s not just you and your mates who acquire a negative reputation for your loony behaviour: it’s your university too. I’m sure some of your peers won’t be happy when you devalue their diplomas with infantile behaviour that only serves to increase the size of my army.

    Alumni who pay for your Women’s Studies courses with their donations are going to think twice after seeing their alma mater mentioned as the locus of your anti-free speech antics. I mean, do you really want your dad asking you about me over Thanksgiving dinner?

    http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/03/21/how-to-beat-me-spoiler-you-wont/

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  67. Yoda says:

    Jack Montague, the former Yale basketball captain who was expelled for sexual misconduct, has a staunch defender in his former high school coach, Dennis King.

    In a letter to the editor in his local news outlet, King defended his former star from accusations that he is a rapist. King begins by comparing the “witch-hunt” against Montague to that of Giles Corey, the only man executed for witchcraft during the Salem witch trials.

    King contends that Montague, too, has been the victim of a “witch-hunt,” having his future and dreams destroyed “with the same cowardly irrational piety shown by those Puritan zealots of an earlier New England

    King said that Montague was an exemplary young man when he was captain of the Brentwood High School basketball team, and that he could “guarantee” no other Yale basketball player would be as dedicated to self-improvement or his teammates or the game as Montague.

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/expelled-yale-basketball-captains-former-high-school-coach-defends-him/article/2586362

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  68. Yoda says:

    Hurts this does

    Hulk Hogan was awarded an additional $25million in punitive damages by a jury in his sex tape lawsuit against Gawker Monday – three days after that same jury ruled in his favor with a $115million judgment.

    That $25million will be covered by both the site and its owner Nick Denton, who jurors ordered to pay $10million of the punitive damages out of his own pocket.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3503245/Hulk-Hogan-jurors-hear-Gawker-owner-worth-121m-editor-posted-sex-tape-no-assets-27-000-student-loans-punitive-damages-phase-trial-begins.html

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  69. Yoda says:

    A news crew producing a segment on European immigration for the Australian show 60 Minutes was attacked by migrants in an area of Stockholm, Sweden known as “little Mogadishu.”

    The attack took place three weeks ago on March 1st. The Sydney Morning Herald reported on it at the time. However the segment showing the attack was not aired until last night. 60 Minutes Australia promoted the segment on Twitter

    http://hotair.com/archives/2016/03/21/australian-news-crew-attacked-while-doing-story-on-immigration-to-sweden/

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  70. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Yoda,
    These people committing attacks in Belgium, could they be Nazis who forgot to wind their watches? That may be a bit of a stretch as they were supposed to show up in 1940.

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  71. Yoda says:

    Probably looked like this are attackers did

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  72. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    I don’t think so.

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  73. Spawny Get says:

    Handy word of the day; YONA (YONAs)

    Youth(s) Of No Appearance

    they have no features by which they might be differentiated from any other human being…except male and young. No race, no colour, no ethnic clothes, no nothin’

    YONAs are the source of a lot of crime in many English cities.

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  74. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Spawny Get,
    That they treated a foreign news crew so badly is so short sighted. When they really get into trouble, who will publicize their plight? Stupid.
    I have to wonder where Sweden would be if it hadn’t gone in for feminism hook, line, and sinker.

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  75. Spawny Get says:

    Somewhat smutty.

    Trigger warning for Tarn – it bain’t be Brizzle, but it iz wescunry.

    Trigger warning for Ton – no subtitles.

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  76. Spawny Get says:

    And the Tory woes increase 😉

    Guido hears there are moves afoot by angry Conservative associations to change the rules so they can more easily deselect Europhile MEPs. Local Tories are fed up with Brussels careerists who have been on the gravy train for years, flirting with backing Brexit to curry favour with the grassroots, then backing Remain. Tory sources point to the likes of Ashley Fox and Vicky Ford, who spent the last year flexing her Eurosceptic muscles before coming out for In. The current rules give sitting MEPs privilege over new candidates when European election lists are drawn up, making it nigh on impossible to unseat an incumbent. Tory plotters want to open up the process so all MEPs face reselection on an equal footing with new Eurosceptic candidates. It’s the Tory Momentum…

    Momentum is the hard left Labour (bowel) movement that is taking over local Labour parties to deselect those insufficiently taken with Comrade Corbyn.

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  77. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Spawny Get,
    I think they used to have a saying in Brooklyn, “Throw the bums out!”.
    I hadn’t realized that rules were in place to benefit incumbent. It’s well past time anyway.

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  78. Spawny Get says:

    The battle is on

    Brexiteers.
    v
    Remainiacs.

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  79. Spawny Get says:

    Multiple bombs go off in Brussels. 3 Bombs, at least 200 injured. Morons chalking loving peace messages on the streets. Brussels being EU central, getting close to the euro-pols.

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  80. Spawny Get says:

    2 bombs went off, I more destroyed

    Another bomb in the subway

    34 dead

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  81. Spawny Get says:

    Anyone seriously going to vote for this guy?
    Video: Cruz Blames Trump For Brussels Terror Attack

    The reality is less than ‘blames Trump’ IMHO, but what a fucking sleazy thing to say just after multiple terrorist strikes. Why the desperate attempt to link Trump’s name with a murderous attack? Tasteless.

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  82. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Politically, these guys have to know that they are cutting their own throats.
    I guess that they can’t restrain their own hate.

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  83. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    My previous comment was about the terrorists. Ted Cruz is unexplainable.

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  84. SFC Ton says:

    marriage with no threat of divorce or replacement is tailored made for women to check out on their husbands. With no fear of loss there is no reason to be better.

    Sort of like why the USSR failed but at the family level

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  85. Liz says:

    Horseman: “There is no faithfulness, only lack of appropriate temptation.
    Man or woman, would you for ten million?
    Ok 10 bucks?”

    To me, that’s like asking, “How much would you ruin your life for? 10 million? 10 bucks?”
    Well…if I ruined my life money couldn’t do a whole lot for me (though I guess it would be better than being flat broke). What’s the point of money?
    OTOH, a mistress would probably improve this guy’s life quite a bit. So it isn’t same/same. Which you do imply here:

    “Its all which is of more value to the target, the temptation or what is lost by the penalty.”

    Yep. Most decisions in life are cost to gains equations.

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  86. Yoda says:

    A new post there is

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  87. SFC Ton says:

    Donald Trump is a White guy so of course the bombing is his fault

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  88. Farm Boy says:

    Students protested yesterday at the Emory Administration Building following a series of overnight, apparent pro-Donald Trump for president chalkings throughout campus.

    Roughly 40 students gathered shortly after 4:30 p.m. in the outdoors space between the Administration Building and Goodrich C. White Hall; many students carried signs featuring slogans such as “Stop Trump” or “Stop Hate” and an antiphonal chant addressed to University administration, led by College sophomore Jonathan Peraza, resounded “You are not listening! Come speak to us, we are in pain!” throughout the Quad. Peraza opened the door to the Administration Building and students moved forward towards the door, shouting “It is our duty to fight for our freedom. It is our duty to win. We must love each other and support each other. We have nothing to lose but our chains.”

    It would seem that they can’t lose their brains, as they apparently have none

    http://emorywheel.com/emory-students-express-discontent-with-administrative-response-to-trump-chalkings/

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  89. Farm Boy says:

    Of course, much of the media was singing a different tune only two months ago when The Donald had the audacity to point out some of the problems in Brussels, saying Trump had found “a new city to insult.”

    Now Donald J. Trump has upset the already beleaguered people of Belgium, calling its capital, Brussels, “a hellhole.”

    Asked by the Fox Business Network anchor Maria Bartiromo about the feasibility of his proposal to bar foreign Muslims from entering the United States, Mr. Trump argued that Belgium and France had been blighted by the failure of Muslims in these countries to integrate.

    “There is something going on, Maria,” he said. “Go to Brussels. Go to Paris. Go to different places. There is something going on and it’s not good, where they want Shariah law, where they want this, where they want things that — you know, there has to be some assimilation. There is no assimilation. There is something bad going on.”…

    For Belgians, already reeling from recent terrorist plots and a chronically dysfunctional government, Mr. Trump’s words were enough to induce a fit of pique worthy, in some cases, of Mr. Trump himself.

    http://hotair.com/archives/2016/03/22/flashback-new-york-times-mocked-trump-for-saying-there-is-something-bad-going-on-in-brussels/

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  90. Farm Boy says:

    This will show ’em

    As clashes between protesters and supporters at Donald Trump’s rally again made headlines over the weekend, Bernie Sanders’ Saturday event saw its own moment of protest. But instead of a fight, the protest came in the form of a topless woman.

    http://www.ibtimes.com/topless-woman-protests-donald-trump-bernie-sanders-rally-arizona-2340117

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  91. Liz says:

    “the protest came in the form of a topless woman.”

    Rock concerts have lots of protestors too, it would seem.
    Maybe she could REALLY protest and throw her panties on the stage too.

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  92. Liz says:

    Someone wrote this on one of the military blogs.:

    It seems the European branch of ISIS is now openly campaigning for Donald Trump.

    Illegal Alien Latino Rapist for Trump needs to target more children of color instead of non-newsworthy white women.

    And of course Manufacturing Companies for Trump should follow Carrier’s lead and not wait until after the election to ship those jobs overseas.

    Other Candidates for Trump need to keep pushing open borders, amnesty, and lopsided trade agreements… but they are already doing their best.

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  93. Yoda says:

    Thinks this way he does,


    Later, the president would say that he had failed to fully appreciate the fear many Americans were experiencing about the possibility of a Paris-style attack in the U.S. Great distance, a frantic schedule, and the jet-lag haze that envelops a globe-spanning presidential trip were working against him. But he has never believed that terrorism poses a threat to America commensurate with the fear it generates. Even during the period in 2014 when isis was executing its American captives in Syria, his emotions were in check. Valerie Jarrett, Obama’s closest adviser, told him people were worried that the group would soon take its beheading campaign to the U.S. “They’re not coming here to chop our heads off,” he reassured her. Obama frequently reminds his staff that terrorism takes far fewer lives in America than handguns, car accidents, and falls in bathtubs do. Several years ago, he expressed to me his admiration for Israelis’ “resilience” in the face of constant terrorism, and it is clear that he would like to see resilience replace panic in American society. Nevertheless, his advisers are fighting a constant rearguard action to keep Obama from placing terrorism in what he considers its “proper” perspective, out of concern that he will seem insensitive to the fears of the American people.

    http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/04/the-obama-doctrine/471525/

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  94. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Farm Boy,
    I miss FEMEN. They have good looking blonde Ukrainian protesters.

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  95. Spawny Get says:

    That’s the spirit, Fuzzie. Glass half full 😉

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  96. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Spawny Get,
    If I have a choice, I would rather be offended by a a good looking protester.
    But, that is just me. 😛

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  97. Farm Boy says:

    A British Member of the European Parliament, Dan Hannan, tells President Obama to butt out of the debate over Brexit. There is something really off-putting about lecturing a foreign population about how they should vote in such a crucial issue. Hannan explains why he believes that the British would benefit from exiting the EU and that it is none of Obama’s “bloody business.” And he makes a final argument using our own Declaration of Independence.

    The EU is showing its age. It’s a leftover from the top-down, dirigiste, big-bloc thinking of the 1950s. This might explain President Obama’s soft spot for it. But the rest of the world is going in the opposite direction. In an era of Skype and cheap air travel, regional customs unions look obsolete. The idea that we should meekly acquiesce in the rulings of transnational bureaucracies seems terribly 20th century.

    Take another look at your Declaration of Independence. See how aptly the colonists’ grievances might now be leveled against the EU: “a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution”; “abolishing the free System of English Laws”; “declaring themselves invested with the power to legislate for us”; “obstructing the Laws for the Naturalization of Foreigners”. There is even, uncannily, an anticipation of the European Parliament, which moves every month between Brussels and Strasbourg: “He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable and distant”.

    On June 23, Britain will vote on whether to recover her independence. Americans, of all people, should sympathize.

    http://betsyspage.blogspot.com/2016/03/cruising-web_22.html

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  98. Spawny Get says:

    Dan ‘Mrytle the Judas goat’* Hannon should not be assumed to be a good guy. He’s a Tory that talks the talk, but his voting record is more mixed. He has a tendency to revert to the Tory line at the critical vote.

    *UKIP’s nickname for him, last I heard

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  99. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    There is something about FEMEN that did bug the heck out of me. If they wanted to protest churches, htey should have kept it outside. Bringing it inside and disrupting services is beyond reasonable expression. I can’t find a word for it. “Rude” doesn’t begin to cover it.

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  100. Yoda says:

    Assume much they do,

    Dozens of professors from American University’s Washington College of Law (WCL) openly condemned an unknown student as a white supremacist for posting a sign with the catchphrase “All Lives Matter” on a faculty member’s door.

    “The ‘All Lives Matter’ sign might seem to be a benign message with no ill intent, but it has become a rallying cry for many who espouse ideas of white supremacy and overt racism, as well as those who do not believe the laws should equally protect those who have a different skin color or religion,” the professors wrote in a statement to the WCL community. ..

    The handwritten sign was allegedly posted on the door of a faculty member’s office by a student who has not been identified. The professors, however, think the student clearly intended to promote a racist message. …

    Nearly 60 professors signed on to the letter.

    http://www.campusreform.org/?ID=7406

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  101. Spawny Get says:

    “but it has become a rallying cry for many who espouse ideas of white supremacy and overt racism”

    Reliable citation fucking needed. People need to stop these scum from just making shit up and demanding that everyone regard it as THE TRUTH. Not good enough

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  102. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    It’s awfully hard to argue with knee jerk reactionaries. It always has been. They don’t need no stinking citations.

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  103. Yoda says:

    New York City Council members are joining a growing national movement to improve access to feminine hygiene products, and on Tuesday will introduce proposals for free tampons and pads in city public school restrooms and homeless shelters, and easier access at correctional facilities.

    http://mobile.nytimes.com/blogs/well/2016/03/21/new-york-city-bill-to-call-for-free-tampons-in-public-restrooms-shelters-and-jails/

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  104. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Yoda,
    I do remember when gas stations would give away road maps. The public did not respect road maps. When they started to charge a token amount, peoiple started taking much better care of their road maps.
    Ther is another point. Why do I get the feeling that this is like the proverbial camel trying to put his nose in the tent? They want something more and, it is big.

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  105. Spawny Get says:

    As big as Dworkin’s arse?

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  106. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Uh oh! Just the thought is enough!

    Spawny Get,
    What I think they want is a middle class lifestyle completely government funded as a full entitlement.

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  107. Yoda says:

    As big as Dworkin’s arse?

    A new scientific measure that is?
    Of weight and/or volume it would be?

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  108. Spawny Get says:

    Both, really.
    1 Dworkin’s arse is 10 Hindenburg volumes. Also a tea spoon of neutronium’s mass.

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  109. Yoda says:

    Americans have been killed by prisoners released from the detention center at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, a senior Defense Department official told lawmakers Wednesday, triggering sharp criticism from Republicans opposed to shuttering the facility in the wake of deadly attacks by the Islamic State group in Brussels and Paris.

    http://bigstory.ap.org/article/1f270d608f0c4692ac72df4c00438650/officials-say-guantanamo-transfers-have-killed-americans

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  110. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Spawny Get,
    That is a lot of volume and mass. It’s a good thing that I only need to link once. I just have to clck to repeat the viewing.
    That is a good antidote.

    Yoda,
    If I were one of those Guantanemo prisoners, I would want a little payback too. More so if I were innocent.

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  111. Yoda says:

    Bully they do,

    As recently reported by ACT For America, The Kent, Washington school district has changed their food options and removed all pork products, in order to accommodate Muslim dietary needs according to a frustrated parent. Dave Brabo, a resident of Renton, Washington recently expressed his concerns with the new policy to school officials.

    Specifically Mr. Brabo spoke with the school’s Director of Nutritional Services, Tom Ogg, who informed him that “he was well aware of the issues (and the slippery slope) with the changes to menu options due to Muslim religious beliefs, but he said lots of Muslims had complained and threatened the school by reporting them to the U.S. Department of Education.”

    https://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2016/03/23/washington-kent-school-district-removes-pork-from-menus-to-appease-muslims/

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  112. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Yoda,
    Bully they do, yes. I have to believe that there must be standing policies of offering alternate dishes for religious prohibition or, more acutely, allergies. It wouldn’t be responsible to do otherwise. What they are doing is not allowing ANYONE to consume pork.

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  113. Spawny Get says:

    Next they’ll demand halal slaughter, which means that the animal isn’t stunned.

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  114. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Spawny Get,
    I have been to an abbatoir and seen how cattle are dispatched. It’s humane because they are “conked out” If halal slaughter is anything like a kosher kill, they deserve to have the ASPCA throw the book at them. On film, I saw a kosher kill of a steer. They sawed through his neck while he was fully conscious.
    Grrrrrrrr!
    There is no reason on earth, or in heaven, to justify that needless cruelty.

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  115. Spawny Get says:

    Not sure if halal and kosher differ by much. Different prayers, obviously.

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  116. Spawny Get says:

    Great news everyone!
    http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/03/23/moodys-brexit-is-manageable/

    The world’s top credit ratings agency, Moody’s, has assessed any potential, negative economic impact from Britain leaving the European Union (EU) as “small” – no doubt leaving the ‘Remain’ campaign stunned by the failure of big bankers to oppose Brexit more robustly.

    A new report entitled “UK and EU: Brexit Presents Modest and Manageable Credit Challenges for Exposed Issuers” outlines how the economic costs of the UK leaving the EU would barely outweigh the potential benefits – a worthwhile trade-off for British sovereignty, decision-making, and border control as far as ‘Leave’ campaigners are concerned.

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  117. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Hooray! That would be the Remainer’s chief arguement.

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  118. Yoda says:

    Bully they do

    A Latina woman who recently attended a Trump rally and was called on stage by the Republican candidate has been the victim of harassment for doing so

    http://www.progressivestoday.com/latina-womans-business-threatened-supports-trump-video/

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  119. Spawny Get says:

    Sorry gay guys, but you’re not oppressed. Male? You’re a shitlord
    http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/03/23/british-national-union-of-students-kicks-reps-for-gay-men-out-of-student-lgbt-societies/

    The British National Union of Student’s LGBT Campaign has recently passed a motion decreeing that representatives for gay men in student LGBT societies should be abolished, claiming that they “do not face oppression.”

    At their annual conference in Sheffield, delegates from the NUS LGBT+ Campaign discussed the issue, arguing that “cis gay men” are to blame for “misogyny, transphobia, racism and biphobia.” According to the motion, they are “more likely to occur when the society is dominated by white cis gay men.” For those of you who are not familiar with the terminology, “cis” is short for “cisgendered,” which means that you identify with the gender that you were assigned at birth.

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  120. Farm Boy says:

    A new restaurant in Northeast Portland opened up last week, and is already being marched on and protested by the professional protesters. Saffron Colonial specializes in British cuisine, touting their “globally inspired dishes from the height of the British Empire”, “English & colonial breakfasts”, and “English tea-time treats”.

    The protesters demands consist of:

    1.) Change the name of the restaurant immediately, and remove references to plantations throughout the restaurant like the one below:

    2.) Apologize for the pain you’ve caused black/brown communities and take the necessary steps to repair that relationship. It was suggested on the event page that you host or attend a listening session on gentrification and I think that’s a great idea.

    3.) Require your chef to apologize for his ignorant remarks and require him to take sensitivity or unconscious bias training. (And make his continued employment dependent on these actions.)

    http://www.progressivestoday.com/protesters-harass-restaurant-colonial-theme/

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  121. Spawny Get says:

    Hooray! That would be the Remainiacs’ chief arguement.

    FTFY

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  122. Yoda says:

    So “tea-time” oppressive now it is.
    Apologies they do want.
    Perhaps apologize to humanity for their embarrassment to it they shoud

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  123. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Spawny Get,
    What is the matter with these people? Can’t they remember what the “G” stands for in LGBT?
    Well, the more people they alienate, the more that will take pleasure in their demise.

    Farm Boy,
    The progs are going after small restauranteurs?
    How courageous! (sarcasm)
    I want some Mexican food. It is a shame that I don’t live in Tucson.

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  124. Yoda says:

    Clowns they are,

    Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan says that last summer, Belgian authorities had the chance to detain Ibrahim el Bakraoui, now identified as one of the suspected suicide bombers who struck Brussels on Tuesday.

    Erdogan says Turkey warned Belgian authorities of Bakraoui’s terrorist ties when it deported him into the custody of the Netherlands — but that the Belgian native was released anyway.

    Bakraoui, along with his brother Khalid and two unknown accomplices, allegedly detonated bombs at Brussels’ airport and at a metro station on Tuesday, killing at least 31 people and injuring at least 270. The brothers and one of the other attackers died; a fourth man is currently being pursued by authorities.

    Belgian federal prosecutor Frederic Van Leeuw said the Bakraoui brothers had a criminal record but no known association to terrorism.

    But at a news conference Wednesday in Ankara, Erdogan said Turkey had detained Ibrahim el Bakraoui in July 2015, and deported him back to Europe after informing the Belgian Embassy.

    Bakraoui was sent to the Netherlands, at his request, NPR’s Peter Kenyon reports, but Belgian authorities were notified about his detention and potential threat.

    Despite Turkey’s warnings, Erdogan says, Belgium couldn’t find any ties to terrorism — so the Netherlands released Bakraoui.

    http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/03/23/471599731/turkey-says-it-deported-ibrahim-el-bakraoui-and-warned-belgium-in-2015

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