Mutually Consenting Adults

From the game post Deti commented,

And he’s not expecting better from the women in his life. In Game, you expect shit from women because you’re shit and they’re shit. You’re playacting. Everything’s a runup to the sex; everything’s a precursor to the climax of masturbating into her vagina while she revels in the validation/affirmation. Because for men it’s about the sex, the ejaculation, the release. For women it’s about the attention from a man, the affirmation of her value as a sexual creature; and the validation that her existence as a woman still matters.

Modern society has drilled into me that sex is legally fine as long as it is between mutually consenting adults.  On this surface, this maybe sounds fine, but is there more to it?  The answer would appear to be yes.

In her case, she has apparently received what she desired from the sexual amusement park.  Or perhaps not (e.g she was settling).  In any case, she did consent to the deed.  There are several paths that she could be on. Firstly, she could be oblivious to game, and had all of their triggers engaged, and thinks that “this is the one” (until he isn’t).  Or she might be in on the gag, and realize that she is being gamed, and is fine with this.  Which is worse?  Both often lead to long term issues, typically different forms of being jaded.

Now as for the PUA, we do have some evidence that it does not satisfy over the course of time.  Furthermore, it would seem that damage might have been done in the case of many of the more famous PUAs.  I will let the commenters continue with this course of reasoning, as they undoubtedly all have opinions on the matter.

So, ultimately what happened on the typical successful PUA ONS?  How do we define it?  It would seem to be the perfect dance between the man and woman leading to the big nothing.  Time and time again this dance happens to the players.  And always, the big nothing.  Furthermore, from a distance the “artistry” in the dance leading up to the culmination might be considered to be impressive.  And it all leads to nothing.

How does one escape the nothingness?

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211 comments on “Mutually Consenting Adults
  1. Tarnished says:

    How does one escape the nothingness?

    By refusing to entertain those who think of sex as it is described above, and only surround yourself with those who think of sex as you do.

    This may sound restricting, but it need not be. It is clear from their comments that Ton and Deti hold different views on sex than myself. Spawny likely thinks a slightly different way, just as Liz does, or Farm Boy. By only seeking out someone who alines with your own thoughts, much heartache should be prevented.

    The problem then, is actually how to go about finding said person.

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  2. Tarnished says:

    Now as for the PUA, we do have some evidence that it does not satisfy over the course of time.  Furthermore, it would seem that damage might have been done in the case of many of the more famous PUAs.

    Hardly surprising. The sad truth is that said famous PUAs aren’t just users like Fems or SJWs like to claim. They are also being used by their notches. One may be used for mental validation and the other may for a few seconds of physical pleasure…but when all is said and done, taking the ok intimacy out of sex makes it, and those engaging, nothing more than a commodities.

    That being said, I do think one could have a higher than average N without it coming to this, if one still cares about their partners.


  3. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Tarn raises a good point. What she proposes may be the best course for the individual.

    As for the collective, it has been put forth that women conrol the exchange. Collectively, for some twisted reason, they want this.

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  4. SFC Ton says:

    Player burn out is bullshit. Why? Mostly its jumped up betas bitching on the interwebz, acting counter to their nature while the naturals are still out there running through bitches


  5. Tarnished says:

    Right, but that’s kinda the issue, Ton.
    Game is supposed to help make “betas” into “alphas”, either just temporarily to get laid or via the Fake It Til Ya Make It mentality. When it doesn’t, guys get upset that they were sold a false product that does not deliver what they really wanted.

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  6. Tarnished says:

    Yoda oddly quiet he is.

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  7. Tarnished says:

    everything’s a precursor to the climax of masturbating into her vagina while she revels in the validation/affirmation.

    Not gonna lie.
    This is still the strangest way of describing “sex” I’ve ever read. It just makes it sound like the female partner is barely there for the physical part of the party…like she may as well be watching TV while he’s going at it. And the male half doesn’t have it any better, if he has no intimate connection to the person he’s giving and receiving pleasure with. He may as well just be self-loving with a top of the line Tenga egg.

    I realize that this probably is an accurate portrait of some, or even many, sexual encounters. But it still makes my mind flop a bit. 😕

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  8. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Yoda, in a an earlier comment, mentioned communication problems on Degoba.

    Your last comment reminded me of the survey where in most women would rather do mundane things than have sex.
    I am scratching my head.

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  9. Yoda says:

    I realize that this probably is an accurate portrait of some, or even many, sexual encounters. But it still makes my mind flop a bit.

    A trigger warning Tarn require she did

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  10. Tarnished says:

    A trigger warning Tarn require she did

    It’s ok. I think I’ll be able to pull through.
    Let me just rest on my fainting couch for a bit. 😛

    Your last comment reminded me of the survey where in most women would rather do mundane things than have sex.
    I am scratching my head.

    I read a book for my 11th grade Health class where that was the entire premise. Sadly, it was not fictional.

    Here’s a review of it:

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  11. molly says:

    Will sex be like this for me? If this stuff is true, my lifetime N will be 0 (I believed you and stayed a virgin) or 1 (I tried it out and said never again.)

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  12. Molly, I think Farm Boy is talking about one night stand type, casual, no connection beyond the act sex. I had to re-read it twice myself, because it’s not that clear at the start. I don’t think he’s talking about happily, ahem, fornicating couples in a caring relationship. But maybe he can clarify…I don’t mean to assume.

    No, not all sex is like that (NASILT) Worry not,my dear!

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  13. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Molly, 🌯 🌯 🌯 🐻 🙄
    Tarn, 🌯 🌯 🌯

    At a guess, I don’t think you will have a problem. You’re good looking, healthy, and like exercise. NOt to mention that you like zooming around on your motorycle. I would bet a doughnut that if you talked to your female relatives, they don’t have a problem.

    I read that review. There is something wrong but I don’t know what it is. I do have to wonder how many women are like her. The hazard for men is that we won’t know until after the wedding.

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  14. Yoda says:

    “Mutually consenting adults” normally applies to flings and ONSes it does.
    Interpret it this way one should

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  15. Tarnished says:


    No, unless something like a legit medical condition arises, sex will not be like that for you. It will instead be awesome and warm and give you a flutter in your stomach and a need to hold and caress and love your chosen. I know this for a fact, because you are smart and caring and the type who will enjoy showing love to your man.

    Do not worry, as worry creates doubt where none need exist.

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  16. Tarnished says:

    I do have to wonder how many women are like her. The hazard for men is that we won’t know until after the wedding.

    Too many, Fuzzie.
    Agreed, it does seem that wedding cake is the best form of birth control…

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  17. fuzziewuzziebear says:


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  18. BuenaVista says:

    Has anyone ever met an actual “PUA”?

    I’ve known some virtuosic ladies men, a few successful guys who ran sidepieces, mistresses, even a second household or two, and a lot of attractive, successful guys who hung up their cleats for one version or another of the “yes, dear” lifestyle.

    I’ve never met a PUA. I’ve never met a woman who uses (or understands) the term.

    That said, I’ve found that women who are (for virtually any reason) insecure with a man, not getting what they want from a man, or just not interested in a man, commonly call him a “player.” This appears to be the groupthink shaming language for men who are not following the feminine imperative script. It’s very unusual, however, for a woman to call a man a “player” unless he is in somewhat attractive, unattainable, or uncontrollable — and that’s true even when a woman is just walking the straight and narrow path of locking down her beta.

    As Ton notes, I suspect a wanna-be PUA is just a guy running a masculinity deficit. Meanwhile men offering fitness, resources, sexual skills, brains and humor, within the context of a natural masculinity and a capacity to express it, are going to be awash in SMP action.

    Again, I used to run in some pretty fast circles, and hang out in some pretty fashionable locales (the places ambitious single women frequent) and all I saw around me were striving, reasonably appealing betas, a few ladies-men who needed to acquire “inner game” like I need a dictionary to read the Washington Post, and “yes, dear” (generally housebroken, pudgy and self-abnegating) husbands.

    Of course, my observations are not data. We know from reading the pick-up blogs that PUA instruction is creating a generation of pussy-slayers; everything we read on the internet, of course, is true. Funny, though, that one never stumbles into one.

    In my case, the post-divorce education, which did involve reading Roissy, just opened my eyes to two things, broadly: one, the true nature of women and what the want; two, that there is logic and reward in discarding the acquired, proto-feminist rules that run most men’s lives. This is not such earthshaking stuff, really, but it did take a while to learn such basics as “if you want a girl’s phone number, just ask for it” or “if you want to be memorable with an object of your affection, bang her silly” or “women respect a man with a mission that transcends her honey-do list” (Proverbs 31). IOW, define your own masculinity and live it.

    I was reading the other night at my friend’s wine bar; he’s the guy who spent a couple of decades working the non-official cover dark side, and is a strapping big man with a retired (disability) SEAL for a son. A college prof wandered in by herself (ding! ding! ding!). My friend and his bartender (greater beta, pudgy Good Man) and the retired CEO who keeps a Citation in this small-town’s airport, were wide-eyed when I sat down with her and ended the evening with her phone number. That’s how far we’ve fallen: to them I was probably “putting the moves on her” and demonstrating “PUA” attributes. I just think I found her reasonably attractive and interesting, so I made her put her phone number in my pocket notebook. She said, “Wow, I don’t think I’ve been asked for my phone number in 10 years.” That’s how far we’ve fallen.


    Ton made a comment a few days ago about the weakness of the red pill, and how recidivist (how easily men, through weakness, romantic and unrealistic yearnings or social conditioning) revert to the blue pill behaviors that … don’t … work. I think there is a lot of depth in that comment, and it’s caused me to reflect. I know it’s much easier to go along and get along in our blue pill, feminist imperative, world, and I know that I have resembled that comment more than I would wish. I think there’s a blog post there, Farmboy. Ton is right.

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  19. BuenaVista says:

    … how recidivist (seemingly red pill men) we are, and prone to revert to blue pill behaviors. Sorry, I’m hungover.


  20. SFC Ton says:

    I’ve never seen PUA advertised like that. Mostly I have seen adds that say become good with women etc not become hedonistic or bang a 100 bitches in a weekend.

    Though frankly I could be wrong. Its not something I’ve paid much attention to

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  21. Tarnished says:

    It honestly depends on the source. Forums and multi-partner websites don’t typically promise such things, true, but some individual “counselors” who run private sites say they can deliver much more…so long as one subscribes to their program, of course. Some may actually believe they can help their fellow man but others just sound like charlatans.


  22. SFC Ton says:

    There is something wrong but I don’t know what it is…. Fuzzie

    I do. Men are not plundering that pleasure hole like they fucking own it and want to break it so the chick gets bored because she is fucking a beta and we all know its alpha fucks and beta bucks.

    Really the answer to all these questions have been laid bare hundreds of times


  23. SFC Ton says:

    I’ve never meet a “school trained” PUA. I have known some guys who read something like the Game and maybe 2-3 that put any of it into practice…. but does reading a book make a man a PUA? I meet a guy in DC who was part of a serious crew of dudes who were out hunting every night but they were black dudes which is a completely different culture but maybe reach the PUA level

    I have had 3-5 guys I’ve gone out with to pick up chicks who really new what they were doing, One of whom was a younger guy who read the Game. And he was good at it for maybe 2 years until he meet this smoking ass blonde chick. Now they are shacked up together and on the slow burn UMC marriage path I’m sure. The other guys I think were naturals or more likely just 0 fuck given dudes with interesting lives. I had a friend who was good looking and an extreme sports enthusiast who still couldn’t get laid because he lacked the 0 fucks given and would walk away from a chick after his opening line. Which was something like “do you sky dive and like Harley’s?”. Or some such.

    Anyrate thats from me a fella whos professional life is mostly guys under 30 with high risk jobs. The sort of guys you would think are out there every night trolling for ass…. and they aren’t

    But from the outside looking in do naturals burn out? George Conley got married but who thinks he isn’t banging hot hollywood wanna be actress on the side? Who thinks Bill Clinton has stopped banging pudgy interns? I can see men aging out of it and slowing down…. things become a series of short term relationships lasting for 3-6 months as a guy closes in on 50( or he stops banging chicks on the side if he is married which is pretty rare. The married guy banging on the side). Leastwise from my observations/ social circles

    BV’s story about getting the girls number…. Girls fuck the guys who ask, guys fuck the chicks who say yes. Its that simple.


  24. SFC Ton says:

    Its a scary world when the something the Ton says is “deep”. I promise you I spend more time trying to figure out why my biscuits suck then I do on this shit

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  25. SFC Ton says:

    Tarn I am certain you are more aware on that front then me.

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  26. Tarnished says:

    Has anyone ever met an actual “PUA”?

    I have met guys who use blatant Game techniques like negging, kino, “telling” me I’m going to meet them at X bar or Y club at so-and-so time, etc in an attempt to get my number or agree to a date. Some of them are much more suave and practiced about using said techniques than others, but it is still fairly easy to see what they’re doing.

    I also have customers who literally have beautiful women follow them around everywhere, sometimes sitting at their very feet as they play card games, and are confused as to why I don’t trip over myself to do the same. They don’t use blatant Game, as far as I can tell. Definitely more of the 0 fucks kind, and these perfectly painted girls just eat scraps of attention out of their hands.

    Whether you would call either of these types PUAs or naturals is up to you.

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  27. Tarnished says:

    Tarn I am certain you are more aware on that front then me.

    Only ’cause of the environment I’m in and the sex I am. If you were a decent looking, under 35 woman living close to NYC like myself, and working with a 98% gamer male customer demographic, you’d be aware of such things, too.

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  28. Tarnished says:

    things become a series of short term relationships lasting for 3-6 months as a guy closes in on 50( or he stops banging chicks on the side if he is married which is pretty rare. The married guy banging on the side).

    I think punctuation got a little mixed up here. Are you saying it’s rare for older married men to have sides, or that it’d be rare for such a guy to be married in the first place?


  29. Yoda says:

    Men with “natural game” known I have.
    Men who have improved their game through reading and practicing I have.

    Though men who have improved by “artificial” means usually advertise such not.

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  30. Yoda says:

    Agreed, it does seem that wedding cake is the best form of birth control…

    Forgo the cake one might.
    Save money one could

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  31. SFC Ton says:

    both darling and….. it is rare for married men to have a side piece in the 1st place; more rare as he ages. The two guys I can think of have kept women which is a side piece but of a different sort.

    We will see fewer men marry in general, maybe even more so if the guy has a lot of experience with women. Options and knowing what women are like and being old enough to see a lot of ugly divorces makes it hard to sign up for marriage 2.0. The only guy I can think of who use to burn through bitches and got married post 45 changed his life; found God, got off coke, stopped dealing coke, stopped fighting dogs and no more serious gambling etc and opened a legit business all starting around the time he was 45. and he married a girl his own age who still had a rocking body etc.

    Reformed Bad Boys do well in the SMP/ MMP now that I think about it

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  32. SFC Ton says:

    Though men who have improved by “artificial” means usually advertise such not.

    legit point Master Yoda

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  33. Tarnished says:

    Nah, the reception cake is the fun part of a wedding, Yoda. What else can you smush into each others faces and have silly pictures of?

    Now, skipping a $20k+ honeymoon vacation, having 200 guests, getting expensive catering, having an open bar, and renting limos for everyone like my aunt and uncle did…THAT is something one could forgo.

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  34. SFC Ton says:

    If my bride smashed wedding cake in my face I would walk out and go file for divorce

    Why anyone would start off a marriage with something so passive aggressive and disrespectful is beyond me

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  35. Yoda says:

    Nah, the reception cake is the fun part of a wedding, Yoda. What else can you smush into each others faces and have silly pictures of?

    For 890 years thought this stupid I have

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  36. Tarnished says:

    it is rare for married men to have a side piece in the 1st place; more rare as he ages.

    Huh. Are we defining side piece as a single consistent mistress-type, or a short term fling/affair? I’d read that the latter was up in numbers for both men and women.

    Options and knowing what women are like and being old enough to see a lot of ugly divorces makes it hard to sign up for marriage 2.0.

    Yeah, definitely. Even without the old cow/milk adage to go by, it’s an unfortunate reality than something like married companionship can be snatched away just as frivolously. With the amount of depression men go through post-divorce, it could literally be the death of him. Better to not put the gun to your own head unless you’re somehow 100% sure there’s no bullets.

    Reformed Bad Boys do well in the SMP/ MMP now that I think about it

    They really do, but I’m unsure why.
    I guess if they hadn’t done anything truly terrible it’s okay, but still seems like so much past drama to invite into one’s life. *shrug* Or I’m too into regular, ‘boring’ people. It could be that.

    both darling
    Please no pet names for me, Ton.
    I really dislike them for personal reasons, and even my guy doesn’t use ’em when talking to me unless we are role-playing. I realize it’s probably a bit automatic for you though, so I’d appreciate it if you could just remember for in the future. Thanks in advance.

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  37. SFC Ton says:

    tell me again why should I send my kids to college?

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  38. SFC Ton says:

    most guys struggle to find a piece… a side piece is beyond them

    Ok darling, no pet names

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  39. Tarnished says:

    If my bride smashed wedding cake in my face I would walk out and go file for divorce.

    Lol. No no no…the groom starts it by smushing it on her first! Or at least that’s how it goes at the ones I’ve been to. In my pretend, hypothetical marriage, I’d think a picture of the 2 of us with matching cake smears would be hysterical. My FwB and I sometimes put frosting moustaches on each other when sharing a cupcake or cinnamon roll anyway. It’s just goofy fun.

    But…we’re weird that way.
    Not everyone has our sense of humor.

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  40. SFC Ton says:

    Reformed Bab Boys have maxim bad boy cred for uber tingles and a new found beta streak for fairy take it happened to me tingles

    literally the best of both worlds

    as I have said, most of this shit should be self evident by now

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  41. Yoda says:

    Ok darling, no pet names

    Presume that “Sparky”, “Rex”, “Fido” out they are.
    “Darling” still good it would be

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  42. Yoda says:

    Grooms allow themselves to be humiliated as such they should not

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  43. Tarnished says:

    Ok darling, no pet names


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  44. Tarnished says:

    Grooms allow themselves to be humiliated as such they should not

    I guess I just don’t see it as humiliating. He smudges some cake on her, she does it back, they get a silly picture for the wedding album, then everyone eats cake for real. I’m not being snarky or deliberately obtuse…I just don’t see a problem with having some fun making a stupid memory to look back on. Obviously nobody has to agree though. Maybe other people like more serious weddings? That’s cool too.


  45. SFC Ton says:

    LOL to easy to resit….

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  46. SFC Ton says:

    the cake mashing I have seen have all been a real contest of who could distort the others face the most

    combative at the start? Fuck no snake

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  47. Tarnished says:

    as I have said, most of this shit should be self evident by now

    It is. But that doesn’t mean it lines up with what one has been told, or what one’s personal preferences are.

    A newish customer wants to date me. He is 4 years younger than me, has tats everywhere, ear and eyebrow piercings, is pretty ripped, has a well paying job, and either 2 or 3 baby-mamas in different states (details are sketchy). All the gals at work think he’s great and say I should give him a chance because he’s obviously “better now”. I think they’re completely insane. He’s at the opposite end of my attraction spectrum…BUT it is evident, as Ton says, that for many females he is high ranking in the SMP.

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  48. Tarnished says:

    LOL to easy to resist ….

    Yeah. I know you were just playing.
    Seriously, thank you though. 🍻

    the cake mashing I have seen have all been a real contest of who could distort the others face the most

    Whoa. In that case, hell no.
    That is not at all what I was talking about. Way different than what my friends and acquaintances have done. If what you’re referring to was the case, I’d say “screw this” and walk out too.
    Being competitive or mean is in a totally different ballpark than having some mutual laughs and doing goofy shit.


  49. Yoda says:


    It’s not just Facebook we’re talking about. They own WhatsApp and they own Instagram. And WhatsApp and Instagram are two of the companies that are winning the short messaging war–that are winning the war for Millennial attention and for Millennial users. Twitter lost that war. Twitter only really appeals to media people: people like you and people like me. We want to kind of keep in touch with our peers. And then some of our fans who are, like, really really keen might sign up for a Twitter account just to see our witty sayings or whatever clever lines we toss off on the way to the train station in the morning. But primarily, Twitter has lost that war. Snapchat, Instagram, WhatsApp–these are the networks that have billions of users. These are the networks that are getting young users, and Facebook owns two of those three.

    The other thing to bear in mind is that Facebook so far has a really really bad track record when it comes to free speech. And not just a bad track record censoring different political opinions like Twitter does. Facebook’s moves are even more sinister, in a way. Facebook has teamed up with governments to censor certain political opinions that the incumbent party doesn’t like. In Germany, for instance, Facebook has teamed up with Angela Merkel to censor reasonable, respectable, mainstream concern about mass Muslim immigration–or just about mass immigration in general–and has started removing this stuff and classifying it as “hate speech.” It is effectively slandering its own users saying that their perfectly reasonable points of view constitute “hate speech” and that they’re not going to be allowed on Facebook, and Facebook has promised the German government that this stuff will be removed within 24 hours. That is outright Orwellian. That is outright terrifying.

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  50. Tarnished says:

    Social media is scary, Yoda. :O

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  51. Tarnished says:

    You can hold any opinions you want…so long as they’re the right ones.

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  52. SFC Ton says:

    Clearly we can only discus generalities; no way could we hammer out the details of every persons attraction triggers…all 7 billion of them?, nor is it required to operate successfully in the SMP

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  53. Yoda says:

    All the gals at work think he’s great

    Perhaps better associates you need

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  54. Yoda says:

    Speaking of “Rex”,
    The woman who would be queen

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  55. Spawny Get says:

    Who needs a dog to know that Cackles is lying? Her lips are moving, aren’t they?
    well, duh!

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  56. Tarnished says:

    I’m not in charge of hiring, Yoda…and it’s not like they are different than most other women I’ve worked with at previous jobs.

    Clearly we can only discuss generalities

    True. Doesn’t mean the reality of a situation (ex: Fuzzie’s “confusion”) doesn’t make you want to slam your head into a wall in frustration when it’s compared to what you have been told for so long. I think that is why the repetition here actually is needed to successfully counteract the previous “lessons” drilled into guys.

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  57. Yoda says:

    I think that is why the repetition here actually is needed to successfully counteract the previous “lessons” drilled into guys.

    True this is
    After 900 years repetition know I do
    Takes much to change minds after indoctrination it does

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  58. Cull, if your avatar now is the true color of your eyes, we have the same eye color — except I also have a golden ring surrounding the pupil, from my dad’s eyes. My kids both have the same, the oldest with olive green eyes, the youngest blue just a shade more to the grey blue than mine. Cheers!

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  59. Cill says:

    Nah, the reception cake is the fun part of a wedding, Yoda. What else can you smush into each others faces and have silly pictures of?

    We must all make allowances for Tarn’s warped sense of humor. Sometimes I find myself shaking my head at you, Tarn, I really do.

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  60. Cill says:

    Bloom, molly simply says it’s now my eye.

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  61. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    As for BV’s question about meeting a PUA in real life, it could have happened. When Roosh had his lecture tour, he had to keep the locations secret. Here is what happened when they tried to hold informal meetups at over 160 locations worldwide.
    His enemies are crazy nough to turn violent.

    On a tngent to this, the fembots hate Trump passionately. I would hate to see a replay of what happened to George Wallace or Robert Kennedy.
    They are that crazy.

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  62. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    So the little one likes motorcycles?
    Plan on buying her a bicycle for Christmas.

    Donald Trump can buy Hillary a dog too.
    Arf arf arf.

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  63. WYSIWYG IRL????

    I don’t get it 😉 Translation?

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  64. Spawny Get says:

    What You See Is What You Get
    In Real Life

    Btw same colour as my Dad’s

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  65. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    I just saw this and wanted to post a link. To do meetups in the future, Roosh is suggesting this and, it reads like something out of a Cold War spy novel.

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  66. Cill says:

    What You See (my avatar eye) Is What You Get In Real Life. My entire avatar eye is now identical to my real eye. This is the gospel according to Molly, the mischief-maker who changed the color of it (with my permission, I must admit).

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  67. Tarnished says:

    Sometimes I find myself shaking my head at you, Tarn, I really do.

    Only sometimes?
    Damn. I gotta step it up…

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  68. molly says:

    Lol when I made the avatar eye bluer it lost the lazery look so I made it a weee tad less blue than IRL. It didn’t look like his eye when it didn’t looking right through us into all our private little secrets, eh 😉 (heh heh)

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  69. Cill says:

    It’s the word “smush” that gets me, Tarn. I’m still shaking my head at the shamelessly brutal combination of “smash” and “mush”.

    Liked by 3 people

  70. Tarnished says:

    I know!
    Isn’t it great?

    Liked by 2 people

  71. Cill says:

    Like I said, shameless.

    Liked by 2 people

  72. Tarnished says:

    It didn’t look like his eye when it didn’t looking right through us into all our private little secrets, eh.

    Wait…Cill can see all those?
    Crap. Hey, man…uh…just so you know.
    That one about the yarn, traffic cone, and whipped cream? Totally not true.

    Liked by 3 people

  73. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Molly! 🌯 🌯 🌯 🐻 🙄

    Liked by 1 person

  74. molly says:

    “Wait…Cill can see all those?”

    Liked by 1 person

  75. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    About yarn, a traffic cone, ans whipped cream, does this cinnamon roll want to know?

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  76. Tarnished says:


    Also one of my favorite words. So concise, yet so powerful in it’s positivity and affirmation.

    So…just curious.
    How much head shaking is Cill doing now? I have a quota to fill, y’know.

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  77. Tarnished says:

    About yarn, a traffic cone, and whipped cream, does this cinnamon roll want to know?

    Nah. It’s better if I let your own mind take it and run. 😈

    Liked by 3 people

  78. molly says:

    *ALL* our little secrets. Drives the ladies wild as he sees right through into their tingles. His lazers create tingles coz he sees them, which creates them coz he sees them which creates them coz he sees them etc. LOL!! Prolly smells them as well! 😀

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  79. SFC Ton says:

    Rush is a jumped up beta so again not sure if that counts as a PUA. Seems like he did really poorly at it as well… though he did earn a living off his own hype

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  80. Tarnished says:

    Prolly smells them as well!

    Having a synesthesia-esque brain will do that.

    Liked by 3 people

  81. molly says:

    “yarn” is Fuzzie-spelling of Tarn 😉 QWERTYUIOP

    About Tarn, a traffic cone, and whipped cream… 😉

    Liked by 2 people

  82. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Cinnamon roll will take your word for it and not give it another thought.

    Liked by 1 person

  83. molly says:

    My mind doesn’t want to go there, innocent little me. 🙄
    Me and Fuzzie..
    🌯 🌯 🌯 🌯

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  84. Tarnished says:

    Lol. Honestly, I just wanted to say something head-shake worthy, and picked the 3 items that first came to mind.

    My brain is a roulette wheel of pure random though, so it was easy. It skips from thought to thought like an epileptic kangaroo.

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  85. Spawny Get says:

    Echoes of Geoffrey Howe?
    I thought this guy rather a lilly-livered sort, but credit where credit is due…he’s leaving in style

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  86. Spawny Get says:

    Hoof bump, Unicorn. Me too.

    Liked by 3 people

  87. Tarnished says:

    To help preserve the cinnamony innocence of this thread:

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  88. molly says:

    “epileptic kangaroo”

    Liked by 2 people

  89. Spawny Get says:

    “Cameron is such an admirer of Magna Carta the he had to admit, on a US talk show, that he didn’t know what “Magna Carta” meant.”

    Liked by 2 people

  90. Cill says:

    Tim Montgomerie didn’t pull any punches in that announcement. He and Davis should move to UKIP.

    Liked by 2 people

  91. Spawny Get says:

    One of Tony Hancock’s best

    (From a different era, it must be admitted)

    Liked by 1 person

  92. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Fluffle Puff is so feminine and sweet.

    Liked by 1 person

  93. Spawny Get says:

    ‘re. Montgomery.
    Did you get the Howe reference?

    Things appear to be starting up…

    Liked by 1 person

  94. Cill says:

    Hancock at 11:48 pm “not available” down here.


  95. molly says:

    Bloom, Fuzzie, Tarn, thankyou ❤ . I have just caught up. Here is my 3 thankyous..

    Manuka honey is very special. 🙂

    Liked by 3 people

  96. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Thank you! All honey is special. If you don’t believe me, ask the bees? 😛
    Your bees must be special too.

    Liked by 2 people

  97. thedeti says:


    I think this is Ton’s comment you mentioned, about the weakness of the red pill in reverting to BP:

    “Women in large numbers will never make marriage and what not more masculine friendly out of the goodness of their heart. If such a thing were possible these things would not exist

    “Women are at your feet or at your throat. They will not voluntarily return to being decent wives and what not. They must be forced to do so, so no it is not surprising in the least the women in Japan have not changed

    “Every attempt to grant women the same status as men has lead to the destruction of the people dumb enough to do so. At no time in the course of human history have women volunteered to do what is needed and return their people to a healthy state of being

    “Its beyond pointless to lament this fact or even wonder why. The fact red pill aware/ red pill veterans still do shows how weak the red pill really is” END QUOTE

    I too have many times wondered/lamented/bitched about this. Women as a group aren’t the catalysts for change in intersexual relationships, really. The only way to get women to “improve” is to force choices on them: Change, or get out. But right now, most men are simply walking away from most women. Most men cannot and will not tell women any of this; so they just avoid the situation altogether. and this is all that most men can do, is to refuse to take part in the entire scheme.

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  98. molly says:

    Can you buy Manuka honey is USA?


  99. thedeti says:

    Add this to the prior comment:

    Most men aren’t in any position to compel women to do anything. Most men aren’t in any position to compel even the women around them to do anything.

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  100. Spawny Get says:

    You really should have thought better of praising marmite, you poisoned the well of your credibility regarding artisan honey, honey… 😉

    Liked by 1 person

  101. copperfox3c says:

    I think, whether intended or not, you just elucidated the difference between PUA and TRP. If you are looking for meaning within PUA, you won’t find it. That’s what originally caused Pook and many of us to move beyond it.

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  102. Tarnished says:

    “Cameron is such an admirer of Magna Carta the he had to admit, on a US talk show, that he didn’t know what “Magna Carta” meant.”

    Holy crap. Are you kidding?
    *facepalms using a brick wall to get rid of the Stupid*

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  103. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    In walking away from the game, men are exercising their only oprion. It is my hope that, if eneough men do it, it will efect change in the same manner as a high casualty war. Women will be forced to value men as they are relatively scarce. But, they could continue to ask for the moon and stars, not tomention fried ice.


  104. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    I didn’t say anything earlier but, he graduated from Oxford. I think that he overpaid for his education.


  105. Yoda says:

    “he didn’t know what “Magna Carta” meant.”

    Probably thought it one of Columbus’ ships he did

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  106. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    He may have been thinking of Cardinal Richelieu and his “carte blanche”.

    Seriously, there is no way that he could have been asleep every day that was covered in school.

    Liked by 1 person

  107. Cill says:

    Fuzzy at 12:58 am
    “It is my hope that, if eneough men do it, it will efect change in the same manner as a high casualty war. Women will be forced to value men as they are relatively scarce.”

    I don’t think they will, Fuzzy. When Choicy and I met women-looking-for-mr-right at Maisey’s place we didn’t expect them to change and they haven’t. Maisey tells me the same women along with others are more than keen for another meeting, but I know all they are interested in is us. They’re not interested in rational self-scrutiny. In all but a vanishingly small percentage of women, their inbuilt bias in favor of themselves makes rational objectivity impossible.

    MGTOW is a far better choice than holding out for an intrinsic change in women. The latter is an unrealistic and ultimately miserable option. Women are not worth it. They are not worth making miserable choices for.

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  108. SFC Ton says:

    In walking away from the game, men are exercising their only oprion……

    Men have more options then that. Some suck but sucky options are still option


  109. Cill says:

    BTW Spawny me old mate,

    Tony Hancock – ‘The blood donor’ is damn funny, but maybe only to Brits and the boys Down Under 😉

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  110. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    If that is the case and it is universal, civilization is ruined by women’s stubbornness.
    Their choice.


  111. Cill says:

    The minds of these women don’t work the way ours do, Fuzzy. Untrammelled group bias is their only state. They see scales that are weighted in their favor as being weighted against them. Their minds don’t reach the first stages of recognizing the reality. They are not choosing to ruin civilization. They don’t have a choice. They suffer from a debilitating incapacity.

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  112. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Their group think is putting them on an antisocial path. I would expect more. They aren’t children and they do have agency. How else can they qualify for a drivers’s license?


  113. Farm Boy says:

    Actually the male in the OP doesn’t really have to be PUA. He could be a general “player” type. I would think that the same analysis would apply.


  114. Farm Boy says:

    How else can they qualify for a drivers’s license?

    In Saudi Arabia, they do not.

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  115. Cill says:

    Ton “Men have more options then that.”

    True, but when it comes to a choice between MGTOW and waiting for women to change, MGTOW is the better option by a country mile.


  116. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Farm Boy,
    When I first heard that, the thought that came to mind was about offering testimony. It was a correct presumption. The testimony of two women is equl to a man.


  117. Spawny Get says:

    Just had to clear a first comment (no delay on any others)

    CopperFox 12:54
    Pook? I think I remember that name from No Ma’am, is that right? But I was a fair few years after the fact.


    I spent a fair few hours flicking through the archives some years ago. I wish I’d caught it in its heyday. There’s a lot of interesting materia that has been reorganised for improved accessibility by a kind soul. I definitely recommend it

    And your blog.

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  118. Spawny Get says:

    “The testimony of two women is equl to a man.”
    Just how do such rumours start? 😉
    Outrageous…two women indeed.

    Liked by 1 person

  119. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Spawny Get,
    While the testimony of two women is considered equal to one man in Moslem fundamentalist countries, In Canada women have found an end run around that. They collude. May I offere the recent trials of Gregory Elliot and Jian Gomeshi as examples?

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  120. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Spawny Get,
    That is the best obituary I have ever read.

    Liked by 2 people

  121. Cill says:

    ” you just elucidated the difference between PUA and TRP”
    What is TRP?
    The Right Path?
    The Red Pill?


  122. Cill says:

    Where Is The Ultimate Bad Boy Sumo, huh?


  123. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    The Mighty Sumo will respond if Molly calls. He likes Molly. Who doesn’t?
    Maybe this will help.

    I wonder what she would think of this?

    I don’t think that dance is very far fron the martial art.


  124. Cill says:

    It’s the allure of a fellow bad boy (me) that attracts Sumo to this post, Fuzzy*. However FWIW I’ll give molly a bell and ask her to lure Sumo here.

    [cill edit: *tongue in cheek]


  125. molly says:

    Yo! I can’t lure the mighty Sumo! Tell them Sumo please 😉


  126. Yoda says:

    I lure Darth Maul I do,
    Sometimes that is


  127. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Perhaps Tarn could help witha picture of Darth Talon?


  128. Cill says:

    Won’t most Americans be asleep by now, right across the U.S. of A?


  129. Yoda says:

    On Degoba standard time I am


  130. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    If you are wondering about Sumo, he is on Mountain Time. Two hurs behind Eastern or seven behind Spawny. It’s eleven o’clock there now in Sumoland.

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  131. Cill says:

    So what is Degoba standard time right now?


  132. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    For Yoda, Degoba time is the same as me and it is 1:54am.


  133. Cill says:

    Degoba is somewhere in the Americas then?


  134. molly says:

    sleep well Fuzzie 🐻


  135. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    While Degoba is another planet in galxay far, far away, it is conviently, for our purposes, in the same time zone as the Eastern US.

    I ams feeling sleepy, very sleepy I would like to dream of bees sending me Manuka honey from New Zealand.

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  136. Sumo says:

    The restaurant life is keeping me fairly busy these days, so I offer apologies for depriving you lot of my awesome smartassyness.

    Liked by 5 people

  137. molly says:



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  138. Cill says:

    Understood, bro. Earning your keep must come first.


  139. Sumo says:

    Well, it’s less about earning my keep than it is being drained at the end of the day. The restaurant is an open kitchen, so in addition to producing tasty food, I’m on display the whole time, providing the customers with some entertainment to go with their meal.

    While The Mighty Sumo is damned entertaining, he is also an introvert, and he needs to relax after 8 hours of performing. 😉

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  140. Cill says:

    Well I’m going to do something very uncharacteristic. It’s not yet 10 PM in Godzone and I’m feeling pleasantly sleepy. I’m going to make the most of it and head for the sack. I reckon it must be pretty close to your crash time too, Sumo. See y’all tomorrow.

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  141. Sumo says:

    It’s 0212 hrs in Sumoland; I don’t have to be back at work for 13 hours. So, it’s time for beer and some light reading. Cheers, mate. Have a good snooze.

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  142. BuenaVista says:

    That’s the one, Deti. Though I think my reference caused Ton to offer up a rebuke in the form of “STFU, you overthinking dope.”

    My recidivism usually takes the form of believing women when they say they’ll change, in response to my offering them what they say they want, in the event they’ll change. I am always amazed at how women follow a social protocol that directly sabotages their stated relationship or life strategies. I’m not really keen on an autocratic role, thus compelling them to change, in intimate matters. Find it tiresome. But it seems to be the only thing that spurs a few moments (maybe 72 hours) of female reflection.

    There’s a college librarian (fitting the stereotype, she usually dresses poorly, is socially awkward, and her face explodes in twitches, over-smiling, hair-pulling, and over-amped laughter when I talk to her) I asked out earlier this week. She freaked out, of course, and said it was impossible except at lunchtime owing to her being a single parent. I declined. Last night though, I walked in and she was seated at the reference librarian’s station, surrounded by people. She practically shouted at me to stop by so I did. Oddly, she was dressed well, and even wore heels (there’s 18 inches of snow on the ground). Turns out she “can be free” Friday evening.

    While she spazzed out in the usual fashion, and everyone stared because this was clearly a public performance, and said to me, “So, what’s the plan?” I made the date and then said, “What’s your cell, in case anything comes up.” She said, “I don’t give that out.” I know her N is > 0, but you wouldn’t know that she’s ever gone out for a milkshake. If I had a candidate for a negative N, she would be it. Given that 20% of first dates wind up in a flake, I shrugged and said, “That’s fine, but I won’t be sitting around ‘if something comes up’, so maybe this isn’t a good idea.” So, immediately, she produced the number.

    There’s something in the zeitgeist that has been nearly universally adopted: Namely, “Bend men to your will. Because Empowerment!” Apparently most men just put up with it. So interactions tend to careen from guard-rail to guard-rail if a man just says, “Uh, no.” One either signs up for compelling particular behaviors — as a father does with a 12 year-old daughter — or getting more reading done.

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  143. SFC Ton says:

    MGTOW as the rational option….

    if by that we mean The Sovereign Man Concept of living then I would say yes; if by that you mean shunning women I would say…. depends on the dude and the circumstances.

    If we are talking about the masculine version of a 3 then yea busting his ass to become the masculine version of a 5 so he can regularly bang 4’s…. well that’s not likely a good return on his effort.

    Most young men I run into mostly need to drop 20-30 pounds and learn what not to do to see a sizable improvement in their SMP ventures.

    On top of that men can shift locals to better hunting grounds, among other things

    However the thing about MGTOW is….. women create them ( for the most part). All those basically average dudes who drop out of the SMP, drop out not because they got the shitty end of the genetic stick but because of their unpleasant experiences with women. If the MGTOW on line presences went away right this second, I doubt we’d see any observable difference in the number of men walking away from modern women.

    In my personal observations, more men are walking away then embracing Game etc. Last night another friend of mine decided to drop out of the SMP. Average height, above average fitness, income etc but he heard “you are an amazing guy, lets just be friends” to many times in the last 30 days. And remember he is the sort of steady Eddie good dude with a good sense of humor women say they want.

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  144. SFC Ton says:

    BV’s story… that’s how it is done

    Liked by 2 people

  145. Yoda says:

    How do Canadians solve problems?

    Liked by 1 person

  146. SFC Ton says:

    How do Canadians solve problems?

    Blame america

    Liked by 1 person

  147. SFC Ton says:

    here’s a guy who will never be laid; maybe he should pack up and move to that yankee city with the platonic cuddle clubs

    Liked by 1 person

  148. Farm Boy says:

    The TV game show Jeoprady is part of rape culture,

    Well, what about the audience of the TV quiz show Jeopardy? It’s one of the five most popular shows in syndication, and guess what? Some of its viewers are creeps and freaks. Former contestant Talia Lavin explains:
    When Tiombi Prince competed on Jeopardy! in December 2015, she was fulfilling a childhood dream.

    But after the show aired, she was inundated with sexual comments. Men sent messages congratulating her on her two-day win—and told her how much they liked her lips. White men, she said, told her how much they liked black women. One man was so persistent—sending her his email address, his “stats”—that it reminded her of an experience she’d had of being stalked after a single, disastrous blind date.

    Elizabeth Williams, who received her own share of Internet fame after referencing Cheers in her Final Jeopardy answer, told me her personal Facebook page had been posted in the comments section of a blog post about her entitled “This Chick On Jeopardy Is Batshit Crazy And It’s A Huge Turn On.” She was bombarded with hundreds of friend requests from men.
    “I’ve never been the least bit prudish, but I definitely felt creeped out by all of their comments,” Lynsey McMullen, who appeared on the quiz show in December, told me. (On Twitter, users told Lynsey she was “giving the buzzer a handjob” and that she looked “like someone you’d see in a MILF porn.”) “There was also a part of me that made me feel like I had brought this attention upon myself,” she said.

    Appearing on America’s favorite quiz show—the show so staid and reliable that John Oliver quipped at last year’s Emmys that it might just be the most permanent fixture on earth—can make female contestants feel that they are running a sexualized gauntlet of unwelcome tweets, emails, and Facebook messages replete with explicit sexual material. I know, because I was one of them.

    When I taped the show in August, I knew I’d bombed and tried to salvage it with a joke. I wasn’t prepared for that joke . . . to go viral when the show aired in September. Twitter chatter during the game led to an article on Uproxx, then more and more elsewhere, and a YouTube video whose views ballooned into the millions in the following days. The experience of going viral is brief but intense. It had the peculiar urgency of a dream—especially when I started reading the comments.

    Scrolling through the thousand or so comments on the (since-deleted) YouTube video, I felt my skin start to crawl. My joke on a quiz show had somehow devolved into a group discussion of my breasts. . . .

    You can read the whole thing. My point is that, while most viewers of Jeopardy are not creeps and freaks, any popular TV show will have a large enough audience that there will be some creeps and freaks among them. Provided access to an online forum where they can “talk back” to the women on the show, the creeps and freaks will say creepy, freaky stuff. However, this proves nothing in particular about the Jeopardy audience, nor does it prove anything about men in general.

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  149. Farm Boy says:

    People should be careful

    Beware the dead of summer: February may be the month of love, but it ranks third in terms of reported sex injuries. The most dangerous month: July, followed by April. March is the tamest, relatively speaking.

    You’re far more likely to get injured another way: Sex injuries made up less than .02% of the 2.3 million injuries filed during the six-year span, though it’s believed that “most” sex injuries go unreported.

    Keep the pencil out of your you-know-what: Among the less expected objects that became lodged in an orifice: pencil, pool ball, toilet plunger handle. Other product categories that made a showing as causing the injury: “lawn mower, not specified,” go-carts, and coins.

    No part of the body is safe from harm: The most commonly injured areas are the pubic area and lower trunk, but there are certainly exceptions; one dental injury occurred when a 19-year-old’s sex swing broke loose from the ceiling. The database includes entries for parts like “arm, lower (not including elbow or wrist).”

    There are a heck of a lot of potential injury diagnoses: “Foreign body,” was the most common diagnosis, but burns, conjunctivitis, nerve damage, and poisoning also made the list.

    There is a silver lining: “None of the injuries were fatal.”

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  150. Farm Boy says:


    Rumours that Twitter has begun ‘shadowbanning’ politically inconvenient users have been confirmed by a source inside the company, who spoke exclusively to Breitbart Tech. His claim was corroborated by a senior editor at a major publisher.

    According to the source, Twitter maintains a ‘whitelist’ of favoured Twitter accounts and a ‘blacklist’ of unfavoured accounts. Accounts on the whitelist are prioritised in search results, even if they’re not the most popular among users. Meanwhile, accounts on the blacklist have their posts hidden from both search results and other users’ timelines.

    Our source was backed up by a senior editor at a major digital publisher, who told Breitbart that Twitter told him it deliberately whitelists and blacklists users. He added that he was afraid of the site’s power, noting that his tweets could disappear from users’ timelines if he got on the wrong side of the company.

    Shadowbanning, sometimes known as “Stealth Banning” or “Hell Banning,” is commonly used by online community managers to block content posted by spammers. Instead of banning a user directly (which would alert the spammer to their status, prompting them to create a new account), their content is merely hidden from public view.

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  151. @ Ton I dunno, rose boy seems to have a blonde hottie admirer, click thru to his Facebook!

    But in general yes, not a good move.

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  152. Cill says:

    “Sex injuries” (Farm Boy at 3:04 pm)
    I knew a doctor who worked at the “Arse Ward” of a public hospital. There was no ward named Arse, but it was the word he liked to give to describe his area of work.

    Needless to say, he had many strange tales to tell. One was of a chap who complained of severe constipation – been days since he was last able to take a dump. On examination, a large raw parsnip was found firmly embedded in his rectum. The chap showed genuine amazement and could offer no explanation as to how it got there.

    It turned out that he had come home drunk and kept driving forth explosive farts in bed until his sleepy wife decided to put a stop to it. She rammed the parsnip home, went back to sleep, and forgot all about it.

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  153. Spawny Get says:

    Just found this. Might work for people standing on cliff tops listening to music on a wild night.

    Liked by 1 person

  154. Spawny Get says:

    ‘Arse ward’? Talk about a shit job.

    Liked by 1 person

  155. Cill says:

    5:06 A.M. here. I opened the windows and doors, wound up the sound and stood on the cliff. On a big system, that piece is something else. Great way to herald in the dawn.

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  156. SFC Ton says:

    as if likes of FaceBook etc equals being balls deep in said hottie?

    Liked by 2 people

  157. Yoda says:

    ‘Arse ward’? Talk about a shit job.

    A bummer that would be

    Liked by 1 person

  158. Yoda says:

    Probably Ms. Sandberg enginnered that Facebook like to taunt him she did

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  159. Yoda says:

    Arse Ward

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  160. Cill says:

    “Take that job and shove it” better ‘n getting behind in your work.


  161. Cill says:

    Said hottie on facebook is lining flower boy up as a bb? I don’t go near facebook or twitter.

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  162. Yoda says:

    I don’t go near facebook or twitter.

    A good man you are

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  163. copperfox3c says:

    @Spawny, Pook was originally a poster on a PUA site called SoSauve back in around 1998-2004. He and a poster named Anti-Dump, among others, laid out a lot of the theory that would later morph into TRP. Roosh and Rollo Tomassi (from the RationalMale) were also posters there in the past. SoSauve is still around, though IMO that period was really its heyday. It is where many of us TRP old guard first learned the ropes of the TRP theory and the manosphere.

    The Book of Pook is a collection of Pook’s posts on SoSuave.

    It was actually pretty funny last year when Roosh tried to claim to be the “Father” of the Red Pill (e.g., those of us who’ve been around awhile know that is total bullshit.

    @Cill, by TRP I mean The Red Pill.

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  164. Spawny Get says:

    Twitter was much fun during GamerGate’s heyday, but I left long ago. Why? Well some update gave them access to my phone’s contacts and started suggesting I connect my twatting about to real life, mundane people…FROYC.

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  165. Spawny Get says:

    There are a few laughs to be had here. As well as some caterwauling*

    Lovely, lovely Laurie Penny shows a little of her twisted little soul

    Millennial Feminist Supreme Leader Laurie Penny has also experienced and seen many of her friends being, as my mother would say, strung along by a good for nothing. As such she tells her generation just to learn to live with their single status, perhaps even forever. “Maybe you should just be single” is the title. Sure, makes sense, as there is little else on offer.

    Laurie tells, us “Plenty of them (boys – her description) were perfectly happy to sleep with me, but after a little while, when I became a real person to them, when it became more than just sex, they turned mean or walked away.” Yup, men can be real jerks sometimes.

    Anyone think that the guys who didn’t know her very well were up for a shag…but ran for the hills when they discovered her personality?

    *We need to use this word more when it comes to whiny femeroids.
    cat·er·waul (kăt′ər-wôl′)
    intr.v. cat·er·wauled, cat·er·waul·ing, cat·er·wauls
    1. To cry or screech like a cat in heat.
    2. To make a shrill, discordant sound.
    3. To have a noisy argument.
    A shrill, discordant sound.

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  166. Spawny Get says:

    And there’s more hilarity

    Bear in mind, that it was not that long ago since that great philosopher of our time Beyonce was singing to ‘all the single ladies’, to tell their boyfriends, “Cause if you liked it then you should have put a ring on it.” That is proper conservative woman advice for you right there!

    But not much use if MMM can’t be bothered to meet you in Starbucks for a coffee, let alone a date with the jewellers.

    So time for a reality check. The feminists have identified the symptom of a serious illness, little realising that they are the wretched disease that has caused it in the first place. They, with their highfaluting gender studies theories, are the bacteria ripping through society, pitting man against woman, where once there was romance, marriage and interdependence.

    Normally, the feminists prescribe more of the same bad medicine – namely more feminism – but in this case they are throwing their hands in the air and saying, just like Hillary Clinton, I give up.

    In fact, the only reason MMM are useless is that men as a whole have been so thoroughly trashed by the feminists for the last two decades.

    It is an up at dawn siege for these guys, perhaps drugged for being too boisterous as little boys, and then harassed when teenagers for not being as compliant as the girls. Mocked for being masculine, positively besieged for even holding a door open for a woman, truly why should any of them bother?

    In addition to the assault on men, the feminists’ relentless campaign against monogamy and instead promoting promiscuity (reaching its zenith with Tinder) has been fatal. Now we really do have a battle of the sexes. There might be a lot more sex going on, but the genders don’t seem to actually like each other. Odd.

    GYOW men, this is not your mess to care about, let alone clean up after the femeroids and the idiot women that created this. There’s no un-riding the cock carousel.

    And that’s why Cill and Choicy’s women learned nothing. Hearing what the men had to say wouldn’t help them at all, too late. So listening would lead to badfeelz…can’t be having anything to do with them, could they?

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  167. Spawny Get says:

    Hi CopperFox,
    even if it were true, what Roosh said was tremendously ill-judged. What did he want? A frigging cake? I’m glad to hear that there’s a huge credibility gap though.

    ’98 would have been perfect for me post-divorce. A few years earlier would have been very convenient, could have saved me the whole marriage thing.

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  168. Spawny Get says:

    That bit came out a bit unclearly. I do enjoy reading the insights of the original gang, but Roosh seemed to expect a little fanboi action. Never my style. I appreciate the insights, some people deliver the information well (Roissy is a great example)

    The PUA side was never more than a curiosity to me, the main red pill concepts were gynocentrism and the FI. Those explained so much about how our societies came to be fucked over. So the original (afaiaa) Roissy and Rollo revealed the interesting insights when I was looking. I never visited SoSuave, so I didn’t really see the learning process occurring there. And the other characters that helped reveal what was going on. The only reason I’d heard of Pook, BoneCracker et al was No Ma’am. Is ‘Rob’ up to anything new?

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  169. Cill says:

    Ton “MGTOW as the rational option….

    if by that we mean The Sovereign Man Concept of living”

    Yes that’s what I meant.

    Spawny “caterwauling” describes feminist voices to a T. “To cry or screech like a cat in heat” is the best definition. There’s a video somewhere of a bunch of daft bints caterwauling in chorus and they were actually proud of it.

    As for Laurie Penny, if any of those blokes shagged her more than twice he should have his heads read.

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  170. Cill says:

    “There’s no un-riding the cock carousel”

    I’ll remember that line, and if there’s ever another meeting at Maisey’s I’ll use it. I doubt there will be another meeting at Maisey’s though. It was a “we’ve done it knowing it wouldn’t work” mission.

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  171. Cill says:

    Here they go. Caterwauling nut cases. Hard to believe.

    [Cill note: wrong link. I’m looking for the right one.]
    [heh Spawny beat me to it vvv]


  172. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Spawny Get,
    About Laurie Penny, it may be more complicated than that. Diana Davison made the observation that she has a lot of the symptoms of cocaine addiction. If true, no man will stick around on that point alone. It would make her feminism minor by comparison.
    Other than that, your last two comments are golden.

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  173. Spawny Get says:

    I was trying to think of a male as unpleasant as Mzzzz Penny. I couldn’t think of any straight ones, but Peter Mandelson perhaps? The heart of darkness behind the Bliar years. Another dark soul (assuming he still has one).

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  174. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Don’t play that video loud enough for Dog or Horse to hear. They would never be able to recover.

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  175. Spawny Get says:

    Hmm thinking about politics…Bliar, Cameron, Corbyn, Jeb! and Obama all have the Slinky factor going for them, in spades


  176. Spawny Get says:

    ‘The Slinky Factor’? You so wisely ask (I hope)

    They’re like a Slinky; completely useless, but fun to push down stairs.

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  177. Yoda says:

    Suppose that all of those women screeching mutually consented to listen to each other they did.
    Perhaps telling this would be

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  178. Cill says:

    Fuzzy I couldn’t help it. Dog was in a deep sleep and leapt to his feet like he was electric shocked. He gave the thousand yard stare for a stunned second or two, lifted his head and pursed his lips and let out a howl of abject agony that used up all his breath. He sucked in a new dose of air and let forth again. I can hardly type this I’m laughing so much. Man, what a trigger.


  179. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    One Canadian problem solving method.

    A tried and true Polish problem solving method.


  180. Cill says:

    It’s the second time I’ve played it to him. His reaction to it is so brain stem, I doubt that he’d ever get used to it.

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  181. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Poor Dog. He probably has no idea how to react to that. I can see him trying to hide under something he can’t fit under.

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  182. Cill says:

    Not content with inflicting their insanity on men, they needs must torment the animal kingdom with it as well. This is the world we live in.

    Don’t worry about Dog, Fuzzy. He’s wagging his tail and grinning now. I wouldn’t really hurt the old buggar.

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  183. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    I am happy for him! 🙂


  184. copperfox3c says:

    @Spawny … agreed, Roosh is kind of an idiot, who seems mostly interested in shameless self-promotion. He’s certainly made contributions to the manosphere, but he’s also not afraid to throw the rest of us under the bus if he thinks he can make a buck or two from the outrage. His motives are questionable at best.

    Most of those other guys have come and gone from the Manosphere. I only caught the tail end of it, and honestly at that point I was still a newbie trying to understand. Anti-dump was mainly around pre-2001. Pook eventually got himself banned from SoSauve (rumor is on purpose), wrote for a little while on a blog called Pook’s Mill, but eventually drifted off into the mist. I was never really familiar with ‘Rob’ myself.

    Bonebreaker, now that’s a name you don’t hear too often anymore. He wrote some way ahead-of-his-time stuff. But he was only around so briefly, didn’t have near the fame of Pook. Plus Pook’s writing style is very engaging.

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  185. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Speaking of Roosh, this is newsworthy.!

    I have to womder about suing. If these people are dirt poor, you won’t recover. It would allow them to be irresponsible as could be.

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  186. Yoda says:

    Interesting this is,

    There’s an elephant in the room, and as far as Caitlyn Jenner is concerned, it has more to do with her Republican politics than her gender identity.

    “I have gotten more flak for being a conservative Republican than I have for being trans,” the “I Am Cait” star and transgender icon told students at the University of Pennsylvania Wednesday night.


  187. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    An excellent overview of feminism from a Christian perspective.


  188. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    I believe Jenner. There is so much hostility out there that it is beyond all reason. Feminists hate Donald Trump passionately. More so that Gearge Wallace was hated when he ran as an independent in 1968 and someone shot him, putting him in a wheelchar for the rest of his life.


  189. Spawny Get says:

    Bonebreaker? Did you get spell corrected? I can’t find anything


  190. copperfox3c says:

    @Spawny, oops sorry meant Bonecracker lol


  191. Spawny Get says:

    Ahh, him I’ve found on no ma’am.

    I’ve been reading around that blog. Its amazing how fresh it all feels. Same issues. Same experiences. Some of it going back well over a decade.

    This one seems particularly powerful. His experiences were more extreme than mine, but it’s not like you can’t see what he describes around us, reflected in society’s attitudes to us.

    Feminist author Wendy Dennis came out with a book in the early 1990s called “Hot and Bothered: sex and love in the 90s.” Among many other astute observations in the book was that nothing was more classically typical of the state of male/female relations than the woman who complained bitterly about every aspect of men, then couldn’t figure out why she couldn’t get one of these awful creatures to fall madly in love with her. I had observed the same thing so many times that I had simply concluded that such women were simply not very bright. In stark contrast to the mythology of how socially adept women are, I was baffled that such women were so stupid that they didn’t realize that no living thing will respond to such projections of distaste, contempt, and hatred with anything except return animosity.

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  192. Yoda says:

    the woman who complained bitterly about every aspect of men, then couldn’t figure out why she couldn’t get one of these awful creatures to fall madly in love with her. I had observed the same thing so many times that I had simply concluded that such women were simply not very bright. In stark contrast to the mythology of how socially adept women are, I was baffled that such women were so stupid that they didn’t realize that no living thing will respond to such projections of distaste, contempt, and hatred with anything except return animosity.

    For 900 years wondered this I have.
    Eternal mystery it is.

    Though like rabies in dogs, more common with feral women it is.

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  193. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Spawny Get,
    I read it. Great post. It’s not so much that men need to read it but, women should. They should know what they have made.

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  194. Farm Boy says:

    There is a new post


  195. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Dark Brightness on the future of Twitter.

    While he doesn’t mention taking Anita Sarkeesian on board as a censor, that can’t help things.


  196. Spawny Get says:

    I’ve signed up as @Spawny on FreezePeach. Twitter used to be fun back in GamerGate days.

    Also I want to increase their numbers while Twitter drops. FU SJWs


  197. SFC Ton says:

    I ‘m a hillbily and grew up on caterwauling: didn’t realize we were such a highfalutin people

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  198. Cill says:

    Those Belgian hoes weren’t thinking of hillbillies whooping and yellin. They were performing highfalutin art way above that, above Verdi, above Beethoven even, right up there with Big Red, enough to drive a man to drink. Which reminds me, Friday night and 2.25 bottles of Chivas in the cupboard…

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