Red Pill Classroom — Game


People have many different ideas as to what game is.  One definition is a set of attitudes and behaviors that a man has that can be used to trick/convince a woman that he is of high value, and worth sleeping (and doing more) with.

The whole idea was launched in the early 2000’s by what are now known as pickup artists.  Much of it was discovered by trial and error, and there are many variations on a theme.  The theme primarily being social dominance; over others and over her.

There are many issues that are debated about game:

I. Is it moral?  Is it right to trigger these women in these ways?  In actuality, the real issue with respect to women often is more about allowing pretenders to elbow their way in on the domain of naturally dominant men.  David Collard addresses this,

“I think women lie to men about what really turns women on, perhaps because they are doing what Steve Moxon has written about. They are “policing the hierarchy”. They don’t want ordinary men to know, because knowledge is power. They would prefer that only elite men know these things and preferably that they know them intuitively. If every clueless guy is told the truth, it means that a man has been helped, who in the eyes of many women does not deserve to know. Women just expect men to know without being told.”

Churches sometimes take a stand also.  A few years back on Sunshine Mary’s blog, commenter Joseph of Jackson (JoJ) told his story.  He was the leader of a singles man group at a church.  The individual men of the group were getting nowhere with the girls either in or out of the church.  JoJ decided to do something about it.  He attended a week long PUA seminar, and came back a different man.  He started teaching these PUA techniques to the fellas of his group, and suddenly they started being noticed by the young women of the church.  Well, they can’t have this, so JoJ was hauled before the church leadership and in a show trial was ex-communicated.  There were no real charges; and it could not be shown how he was doing anything against church doctrine.  But he had to go.

I am sure there are many other arguments related to game’s morality.  Perhaps commenters would like to add to this list

II.  How effective is it?   Women often say that it is not so effective; but facts on the ground say otherwise.  Probably women who are versed in the PUA techniques are maybe less susceptible; however many women probably want to be susceptible.  This is after all, part of the amusement park that many young women desire so ardently.

III.  What is the future?  Probably there will be a some limit as to the amount of fellas who learn about game.  Those that learn about it will often be discouraged by others (feminists, churches) from using it; being told that it is ineffective and/or immoral.  Some of those who learn of it, will take the effort to actually implement it.  This is often difficult, because it requires a reversal of a lifetime of programming.   What it has done already, and will continue to do in the future, is level the SMP playing field.  As to whether this is a positive effect for society remains to be determined.

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83 comments on “Red Pill Classroom — Game
  1. When I first heard of “game” I think initially I had the reaction that it was a bad thing, that it was something only guys like Roosh would use and that it would be used deceptively to “trick” a gal. And I suppose it could be used in that way. But after learning more about it, I don’t think that is is necessarily bad, I suppose it’s all in the way someone utilizes it. If it helps keep a marriage together, or helps a young man in church attract the attention of a young church girl, or to help the good guys who are otherwise being overlooked to stand out, then I think it’s a very positive thing! Game could be used to create better, more functional, relationship just as it could be used to bang as many girls as possible.

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  2. CF says:

    I think you are correct about the future in my own inner thoughts. To me, there will always be a funnel. The funnel is always present in society, and that is why we always have the hierarchy, or elite at the top. Sure, the internet has allowed for this Red Pill information to be open sourced, but there is still human nature that is always the catalyst for enacting the funnel effect. Majority of the men in the world -80%- will lack action even if presented the info. Most will refute it out right as they are too far into the blue pill conditioning to even be able to comprehend the concept of game or red pill thoughts. Then like you said even some of the ones that listen still have to re-program a lifetime worth of conditioning no matter what age which is hard work and takes time and effort, which most people lack or tend to give up. Therefore, there will always be the very few who have the knowledge and act and execute. These men whether “naturals” or self-taught, are our “elite”/ the men women swoon and get panty-burn over.

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  3. Easttexasfatboy says:

    I reckon it depends on what you want in the future. Game works, that’s not the question. The problem is the quality of the women nowadays. Here in the USA, most younger women are feral feminists. They are trained that way. Yes, this sounds like a broken record.

    I live in Texas. Lots of pretty women here. But there’s a growing number of true swine. 250 pounds and up. Here’s the insane thing……they all believe they possess a golden vag. I work around some fine specimens, and then you hear them say something repellent.

    PUA’S aren’t as rare as they used to be. I’ve read the literature for a good while now. Personally, I view it as another sign of a dying society. Women, branch jumping, hypergamy…….af/bb behavior…..yeah, PUAS swim thru the wreckage and feast on stupid young women. But the other side of that coin is a feral female who does the exact same thing.

    As to the morality of the thing……when one liar lies to another liar, who is innocent? A healthy society don’t permit such open perversion. It doesn’t produce healthy children. But that’s not a popular subject anymore. Speaking of high notch count women, there’s a thing called telegony. It refers to a woman retaining genetic material from past lovers. Isn’t that a fascinating subject? Essentially, if she’s not a virgin…..well, those children aren’t all yours.😈😡😠

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  4. Tarnished says:

    Parts of Game can be very positive things. Helping men to understand basic attraction, gaining self-esteem, learning to stand out from the crowd, becoming healthier/more fit…all these are awesome traits to have. When game does this, it is great and I think most approve of it. I know I certainly do. Self improvement is a-ok.

    However, like most topics Game can have it’s dark side too. Some PUAs use less than moral techniques to emotionally and mentally manipulate their partners, which is not acceptable, imho. A frequent example on a now-defunct forum was using “gaslighting” to make the woman lose confidence in her own thoughts/actions and rely more on the man’s. Obviously this is not what one does to someone they care about.

    I would also agree that those who are aware of Game have the potential to not be as affected by it, or possibly affected in a negative way.

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  5. Does game work because women are broken, or does game work bc it teaches blue pill guys what has always worked, it’s just not “PC” anymore? I would argue it works because its how it has actually always worked… Not that women today aren’t also messed up. I think of the feminist teachings as the blue pill version for women in many ways. Girls are taught early “this is how it works. Be strong! Be independant! Be self reliant! You can do anything a man can do!” And so now we have women acting like men and men acting like women (be accommodating! Don’t be pushy! Let her lead!) and it just doesn’t work. Game attempts to teach men to break out of blue pill thinking. Women likewise need “girl game” but that lags behind– where they are told to be pleasant, be accommodating, let him lead, be feminine!

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  6. CF says:

    From a moral perspective I dont think PUA is any different than putting make-up, a skimpy dress or high-heels on if your a a female. Both genders use triggers. Men have to show high value while women have to show beauty and fertile signals.

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  7. Easttexasfatboy says:

    Red pill can certainly be weaponized. Game has always swung to the dark side. That’s always been the reason for acquiring such skills. It’s a nasty world out there. Factually, I’m 59 years old. I would have appreciated learning about this 45 years ago.

    Red pill has taught me a lot. The biggest thing is that women aren’t mysterious. There are evolutionary principles in their actions. So much so, that if a woman violated them in the past, well…..she probably got killed. Basically, it was all about the next generation of kids……fair or foul.

    Now, there’s a lethal variant that has been introduced. Feral feminism. A death cult, if there ever was one. Infanticide is celebrated as a woman’s right to choose. We all know the arguments, so I’m not going there.

    Along has come another evolutionary principle. Dying, effeminate societies draw stronger Barbarian invaders. This is an age old story. However, the feminist death cult is trying to evade this “unpleasantness” in any way they can. Islam has no use for literally murderous women. Seriously……can you imagine the huge piles of beheaded women?

    History happens to the historically illiterate. Alienated young men flock to the Barbarians to find their masculinity. In fact, such young men are used as executioners. They regain their masculinity through the slaughter of those who stole it from them. To paraphrase……Feminists may not be interested in history, but history is very interested in feminists.

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  8. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    I am still furious about how Joseph of Jackson was treated. What were the Church biddies afraid of? That the boys were going to take the girls down to the drive-in and split a milkshake with them? I don’t think that I am mischaracterizing this.
    The last I heard, he and his crew were looking for a new church. That had to be two years ago.

    From what I have seen Game is a tool. The user gains confidence which makes him more attractive. To add to that, it’s like a sale technique. Considring what women have at their disposal, it’s like attacking in WWI with spears against machine guns.

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  9. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Bloom,
    While I don’t approve of him racking up notches for noo good reason, I do appreciate Roosh as a journalist. He is making some glaring observations on society that should go on record.

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  10. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    What is it with Church biddies? Why do they want everyone else to be as miserable as they are?

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  11. Easttexasfatboy says:

    Some parts are, but techniques like kino are getting off into hard wired psychological principles. I studied a lot about what was said. The right guy, a silly woman, especially a feminist…….good chance of success. Then there you are, the next morning……the legal climate has shifted to cover this situation……Situational rape. Plenty of evidence to see.

    It gets back to the fact that women today are simply unfit to be mothers. They aren’t being trained by their mothers. Marriage is a very risky business with a feral feminist. She may be extremely pretty, but she’s a beast.

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  12. Tarnished says:

    From what I have seen Game is a tool. The user gains confidence which makes him more attractive. To add to that, it’s like a sale technique.

    Precisely, Fuzzie.
    This is stuff that every man should know.

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  13. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Tarn,
    When Sunshine Mary had her old blog up, she answered the question of should it be necessary for a husband to Game his wife. No, it should not was her considered response. . Serious vows were exchanged.
    However, they are not taken seriously anymore. So the men have to up their input.
    Something is eroding the status of men in this society. Years ago, men didn’t need Game.

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  14. @ Fuzzie, I am not sure I agree. Married men do need to “game” their wives, if that means maintaining his masculinity and role as the leader. Married men who submit to “happy wife, happy wife, let her be in charge to keep the peace” thinking will find (as game says) women are not sexually attracted to men they can control and manipulate. While clearly some women s#it test and are cray cray at a whole other level than game might even be worth running on them, as Liz and I have both said before all women are this on some level. Game knowledge allows a man to stay a step ahead of women’s capricious, often hormonal and subconcious, emotions. Game doesn’t have to mean being a clown, it can also mean being the master of his domain. As feminism has shown, let’s all be equal and play nice sounds great, but it doesn’t work that way. Someone will be the top, husbands who understand game understand it needs to be him, and game shows him how to do it. It doesn’t have to be dark triad, it can be subtle. Women will say they don’t want that, but guaranteed women who are truly happily married are in households where she is being treated well but she is not running the show. It’s hard to explain, but again it doesn’t have to be negative… It actually creates calm and order.

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  15. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Bloom,
    The point is that men shouldn’t have to. That Game is needed shows that something is wrong. To begin with, the authority naturally given to husbands isn’t there. Dalrock is writing a series of posts on how men have to qualify themselves to their wives to obtain their conditional “submission”.

    There was a commenter on SSM’s blog from NZ who told a story about a friend’s American wife. They were living way out in the country and there was a rabid dog on the property. The husband told his wife to stay in the house and she disregarded him. He ended up sending her back home.
    Game may be a band aid over a bullet hole.

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  16. @ fuzzie yes ideally the woman also is not constantly jockeying for control as well. Being cantankerous and quarrelsome wears on a man for sure. Women can also check themselves, and should, agreed. 🙂

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  17. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Bloom,
    At the very least, trust the man enough to stay inside and ask why later.
    Feminism has done a number on women. They consider themselves superior.
    I don’t know how they will check themselves.

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  18. @ fuzzie indeed, feminism has taught women, “they don’t need to listen to no man!” And I hate to admit that in my youth I too thought I knew better. I have many times looked back in retrospect to realize a man (brother, uncle, partner, etc.) tried to save me from my own self but I was too stubborn to herd the advice at the time, only to realize later they were right all along. Humble pie I have eaten many a time! Egads… Silly woman!

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  19. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Bloom,
    To ignore advice from men who love you and only wish you well? Feminism did you a bad turn.
    About tht American woman in NZ. I would bet that when she found out what it was all about she got stubborn and tried to justify diregarding her husband. I think she would have stayed had she learned from it.

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  20. Cill says:

    I can’t see anything wrong with men learning game, but I have seen problems with game within relationships. What if a must-be-the-leader gamer marries into a well-run family business and he’s not a sound man of business? He insists on taking the leadership role and brings the business down. A natural (cf game) leader would have the confidence to leave the business decisions to the wife, until such time as he knows the business at least as well as she does.

    I have come across this in my work, when I have hired hundreds of hard men for work in some of the world’s most inhospitable places. The first thing I do is cull the false leaders from the real leaders. Often the real leaders are so used to their skill and talent being overlooked they have given up putting themselves forward (especially in places where feminism has reared its ugly head). When I have identified such men and given them leadership roles, they have proved their worth every time.

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  21. Tarnished says:

    The point is that men shouldn’t have to. That Game is needed shows that something is wrong.

    Truth. This is what I’m constantly saying.
    (Sorry, Bloom and Liz.) A man shouldn’t have to continuously prove himself to his spouse or girlfriend. She is an adult, just like he is. Yes, they’ll have some different life experiences, but by the time you’re in some kind of serious relationship both men and women should be in majority control of themselves. This includes actions as well as words. Barring an actual medical issue (which is hopefully being taken care of responsibly) there are very few reasons why an adult does things like shit tests.

    At the very least, trust the man enough to stay inside and ask why later.

    For me, it would depend on the situation.
    If I was just told, in a normal voice, to stay inside when I already had places to go…the very concept of “trust” or “superiority” wouldn’t have even entered my mind. If I was told to get back inside in a worried or panicked voice, I’d return to the house immediately because it’s obviously a real emergency. In a case like that, the reasoning can always be explained when we’re both safe.

    Humble pie I have eaten many a time!
    Well, that is part of growing as a person and becoming an adult. Making mistakes and learning from them to prepare better for the future. So it’s not *all* bad.

    Being cantankerous and quarrelsome wears on a man for sure.

    Lol. Nobody wants to be around someone with a stick up their arse. Don’t think that’s a male-exclusive trait. 😉

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  22. Tarnished says:

    Feminism has taught women, “they don’t need to listen to no man!”

    This is one of the most foolish things that many women believe. “If a man is telling me to do X instead of Y, he’s mansplaining/being oppressive!”

    Uh…no?
    Good advice is good advice, regardless of whether it comes from a male or female. Just because the person trying to help you has a penis, doesn’t mean he thinks he’s superior to women. Only that he has an idea he thinks would be beneficial. Same as when I talk to customers or give advice to my friends…Yeah, I am female and they’re male, but they aren’t inferior, just not as knowledgeable in X situation.

    Believe me, it is a world of difference, between this ⬆ and being spoken down to by an arrogant know-it-all. It is very easy to tell the former from the latter.

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  23. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Cill,
    The experienced and natural leaders will be modest. For a lot of them, it is easier to be an Indian than be a Chief.

    Tarn,
    You would know enough to stay inside.

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  24. Indeed Cill, indeed within a couple each has their strengths, weaknesses, talents, sills, experience, and knowledge.

    In my own farm based biz, I often have volunteer help. Luckily city folk find the idea of a day working in the country idyllic, and I sure appreciate the extra help during times when there is much to do. (Plus I love teaching people about what I do!) anyway I have noticed that often the men will come up with ways to streamline a process, reduce labor, time, or effort either with modifications in the process or by building improvised devices, where female volunteers rarely do. I am always open to these suggestions, often good ones I have overlooked. Only once have I had a male volunteer blatantly disregard my vetoing an idea and insist on doing it his way. Awkward, and he was wrong, and he was jeopardizing thousands of dollars of value, so I had to tactfully “reassign” him to another task. For the most part, I have not had trouble with this. My male colleagues respect me as well, and except for a few who would do so to anyone (male or female) to gain advantage, they have not taken advantage or been disrespectful because I am a woman. In romance it can get trickier, because if I don’t feel right about a path it’s a delicate dance to stand my ground while also balancing their feeling included and appreciated. In my last relationship, my refusing to go along with his plan to take on considerable debt and put all my chips in on one roll of the dice proved a deal breaker to our engagement, but I am still convinced it would have led to major financial problems and possibly losing everything, that strain would likely have done in the relationship as well. So in that case I believe it was for the best. But overall I believe men’s brains work differently and I have learned that they often see things in biz I do not so I always consider their input carefully. Two heads are often better than one!

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  25. Tarnished says:

    Tarn,
    You would know enough to stay inside.

    Yes, but I would also make sure my mate was right behind me. I’m very protective of the people I love, and am not one to save my own hide while theirs is stuck on the line.

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  26. Cill says:

    Bloom “within a couple each has their strengths, weaknesses, talents, sills, experience, and knowledge.”

    Agreed, Bloom, totally and utterly agree 😉

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  27. Easttexasfatboy says:

    Arguing with a feminist is useless. I gently deflect points of contention. There’s no gain to be had in a contest. Nope, I don’t make a big deal about things. I’m MGTOW. I’m a repair man, and I deal with all sorts. Some folks I find I’m not qualified to help. So I send them to others. When the civil war starts, the feminists will suffer greatly.

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  28. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Cill,
    Somethines, we all get silly.

    Tarn,
    The way it was told, he had it in hand.

    Bloom,
    Only one? You are fortunate.
    Thinking back on fiance, he did want you to take on too much risk that you have managed to avoid.
    I am still mad about the washing machines.

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  29. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    “When the Civil War starts, the feminists will suffer greatly.”
    Tht they would prefer to marry the state has a lot to do with it.

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  30. molly says:

    FUZZIE

    Choicy is coming! To do a live reality project with Cillo LOL
    (probably PPPs eh)
    Hey F Dubya ya hungry? Quick let’s snitch some food when no one else is looking heh
    🌯 🌯 🌯 🌯

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  31. molly says:

    Stolen fruit tastes best, eh

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  32. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Molly!!! 🌯 🌯 🌯 🐻 🙄
    More sour cream and guacamole. Yummy!
    Choicy in New Zealand!

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  33. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Bears never pay. We have no pockets. 😛

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  34. molly says:

    “We have no pockets”
    That’s nothing least u got arms 😀

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  35. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    The better to hug you with Molly!

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  36. molly says:

    Fuzzie shush
    I’m trying to listen to coolness George T

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  37. molly says:

    GEAR JAMMER

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  38. molly says:

    GEAR JAMMER
    I PLAYED AIRDRUMS WITH GEORGE TOTALLY COOLNESS T!!!

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  39. molly says:

    Fuzzie ❤
    I gotta go soon. My special Mr. Beauness arrives 😉

    P.S. he knows all about u Fuzzie and he doesn’t mind!!
    YO
    LOL

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  40. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Molly,
    Your beau is lucky!

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  41. molly says:

    P.P.PS.
    How cool is that!
    Have my cake and eat it too!
    (new Thorogood song label)

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  42. molly says:

    Have my cake and eat it too!
    Yee-ah!
    Haaaaav ma cake and eat it toooo-oo-oo-oo!!
    Have my cake and eat it too!
    O YEAH!

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  43. molly says:

    My beau has arrived so I must go.
    Molly out
    Kaaaa-za-zaaaaa-zOOOOOOM!!
    🙂

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  44. molly says:

    P.S. I will have to try really REALLY hard to stay a virgin tonight.
    Wish me a safe space y’all 😀
    Hahaha! LOL

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  45. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    More for Molly and her beau.

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  46. BuenaVista says:

    OP: “Those that learn about it will often be discouraged by others (feminists, churches) from using it; being told that it is ineffective and/or immoral.”

    In my experience feminists (at least the heterosexual ones) prefer a man with “game.” I put the term in quotes, because I ignore the PUA histrionics. They can become quite angry with a man whom they consider masculine and independent and fun, who suddenly appears (or expresses) physical or emotional vulnerability. That’s their choice being made manifest, right there. As with children, you just have to let them babble (unchallenged) periodically and remember, always: Nobody talks about fight club. How does a man shit-test a feminist? Ignore her in between spates of flirting or other expressions of interest in her female nature. Their magic vaginas have not been coded to respond to indifference.

    I do agree that churches seem adept at promoting loser dudes to positions of authority — just watch the omega guys puff up their chests and wander the pews with the offertory plates. Such sterling soldiers for Christ! In general, I have found the most threatened cohort to be the men Cill mentions: men who lack true leadership or competence (men who have not earned either, but like to tell other people what to do) are driven to suppress men who have, as Hemingway wrote, the “true gen.” All the phonies have is the occasional ability to marshall a kind of organizational authority to isolate and diminish the random guy who, for some reason, must participate in their organization. Those masculine, competent guys are dangerous to the phonies.

    Watch what happens if you say to the omega organizational man, “You know it’s pretty hard to take you seriously.” Or, “It’s your call (“it’s your company, it’s your farm, it’s your cubicle”) I’m just here to help.” You’ve just stripped him of his fragile self-respect. He wants attention and authority, and a sovereign personality of competence and humor just reminds him that his vaunted “organizational skills” are meaningless to the kind of men he is desperate to resemble. Then they act like little boy-bitches.

    In any event, “game” exposes the mass of men as much as it does the women. Most men are like, or wish to be like, the warden Strother Martin plays in Cool Hand Luke. Strip him of the accident of his organizational, political position, and all he’s got is “What we have here is a failure to communicate.”

    I’m learning the hog business at the moment and it’s hilarious to see all these behaviors represented accurately by boars, gilts, and sows. We have one boar we don’t breed but use him solely to warm up the girls — we unleash him in the pen with the sows we think are in estrus (female mammals in heat), and he runs around throwing saliva left and right (you can actually buy — in an aerosol can — “boar saliva”) and the girls who are ready just line up. They go berserk with lust for this otherwise useless hog. When you sort the castrated males in a new pen, a furious social ordering proceeds for the first few days while they decide who the alpha is, and when you ship half of them to market, panic ensues if the alpha is one of the unfortunate group loaded onto the trailer, before, within a few days, the second-string alphas reassert themselves.

    Of course, the alpha pigs get superior access to feed, and hit their market weight before the others — so have shorter lives. This last observation is one that human males might keep in mind.

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  47. blurkel says:

    New post up. Have got to learn better how that scheduler works!!!

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  48. BuenaVista says:

    It just gets so obvious after a while: German feminist proudly and publicly states her preference for rapists over “racists.”

    http://redalertpolitics.com/2016/01/29/german-feminist-welcomes-refugees-better-rapists-racists/

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  49. Liz says:

    “It just gets so obvious after a while: German feminist proudly and publicly states her preference for rapists over “racists.”

    Isn’t she essentially calling them a bunch of rapists? And isn’t that racist?
    This sign is meta-funny! (maybe it’s intentional? Poe’s law applies)

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  50. Liz says:

    Tarn: “Truth. This is what I’m constantly saying.
    (Sorry, Bloom and Liz.) A man shouldn’t have to continuously prove himself to his spouse or girlfriend. She is an adult, just like he is.”

    Maybe there’s some context lost here because I’m starting at the bottom posts and reading up…but why the “sorry Bloom and Liz”? Do I come across as a whiney demanding baby or something? 😛
    I too have to “prove” myself pretty often. That’s just the way life is. I could sit on the couch and turn into a whale, let the house go to hell, stop helping my neighbors and friends and just become a demanding bitch and henpeck Mike whenever he’s home with some endless ‘Honey do list’. But instead, I change into clothes he likes (I’ve jumped off the treadmill mid-run when I see his truck pull into the driveway because I was in shorts I enjoy running in but he doesn’t like), try to create a nice atmosphere and if I have a problem I am respectful about it. As a result life is phenomenally good. For the whole family.

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  51. Liz says:

    Ah, just read up to that point. It’s biology Tarn. Women are more comfortable when men lead them. I think the “constant gaming” versus “constant submission” paradigm is a bit of a false dichotomy. We’ve talked about this before. The current legal and social structures neuter men. That’s the underlying problem. Women aren’t submitting as they should and men are (understandably) hesitant and fearful to lead them effectively. They aren’t taught effective leadership and true masculinity is considered anathema (aka toxic).
    The women perceive this as weakness and resent their men for failing their “shit tests”.

    This is the sort of stuff that happens when people in Ivory Towers run the levers of power over everyone else.

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  52. Liz says:

    Per the topic, I do think the churches are discouraging masculinity and authority in men. The bromide seems to be “with authority comes great responsibility!”

    But they aren’t given ANY authority, just the responsibility. When things go wrong, “Hey, you’re the guy in charge, it’s your fault”…but he has never been in charge.

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  53. Liz says:

    Mike has mentioned that when was a teen there was a guy who started a Christian Rock band. He’d brag about banging girls in the youth group as a member of this band. Mike thought he was a douchebag and has disliked Christian rock music ever since (of course, Christian rock music also sucks in general).
    I guess that guy might be a “PUA”. Or he might have just been talking a big game.

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  54. I was just reading over at Rollo’s how red pill women try to say game is ok if it’s used for “good” as a way to keep the FI going, so I guess I am right on track despite my best intentions :/ see, I’m a girl! It’s hardwired, apparently! So anyway ignore all that above, lol!!!

    http://therationalmale.com/2016/01/14/women-improving-men/

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  55. Liz says:

    OT:
    Copied and pasted from another forum. This is awful. Another example of the Ivory Tower people, mentioned above:

    “Q: What’s dressed in blue and injects potential death into your butt because it doesn’t give a fuck?

    A: Gavin B. Atchak

    Q: What’s dressed in blue and thinks this is no big deal?

    A: USAF appellate panel

    http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/crime/article57147868.html

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  56. Yoda says:

    German feminist proudly and publicly states her preference for rapists over “racists.”

    New level of stupidity just defined it was.
    Happening much lately this is.

    Wonder if she would have welcomed the Red Army in 1945 I do.

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  57. Yoda says:

    New post up. Have got to learn better how that scheduler

    Good to schedule at 12:01 am Patriarch time on Tuesday, Thursday or Sunday it is

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  58. Yoda says:

    But they aren’t given ANY authority, just the responsibility.

    A problem this is.
    Worthy of a post it would be

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  59. Yoda says:

    They aren’t taught effective leadership and true masculinity is considered anathema (aka toxic).

    Much of masculinity is “standing up for yourself”.
    Discouraged this is.
    And for this very reason it would be

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  60. Yoda says:

    P.S. he knows all about u Fuzzie and he doesn’t mind!!

    Knows enough not to challenge a bear he does

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  61. Liz says:

    “But they aren’t given ANY authority, just the responsibility.

    A problem this is.
    Worthy of a post it would be”

    It is the subject of Dalrock’s most recent thread.

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  62. Tarnished says:

    I was just reading over at Rollo’s how red pill women try to say game is ok if it’s used for “good” as a way to keep the FI going, so I guess I am right on track despite my best intentions.

    I don’t know, Bloom.
    Maybe I really am too cynical on certain topics, but this seems like a catch 22 example.

    Female #1:
    I hate Game. It is abusive, manipulative, and tricks women into falling for alpha fakers.
    Manosphere:
    You just don’t want to see men grow and improve themselves outside of the norms of gynocentrism.

    Female #2:
    I like Game. It helps men gain confidence, gives them better leadership qualities, and makes for a more stable relationship if he is in one.
    Manosphere:
    You just want men to have personality traits that give you tingles and keep it possible for men to be used as agents of the Feminine Imperative.

    Doomed if you do. Doomed if you don’t.
    You can’t please everyone, so it is better to not even try.

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  63. Yoda says:

    “The final frontier”
    Oops, wrong franchise that is

    Norwegian Woman Claims to be Cat Trapped in a Human’s Body

    http://ace.mu.nu/archives/361275.php

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  64. Yoda says:

    For Spawny this is,

    http://life.spectator.co.uk/2016/01/mccarthyism-is-alive-and-well-on-the-liberal-left/

    Over the past five years, he has accumulated a mass of evidence about the personalities of welfare claimants and concluded that individuals with aggressive, rule-breaking and anti-social tendencies — what he calls the ‘employment-resistant personality profile’ — are over-represented among benefit recipients. He also found that their children are likely to share those traits, which helps explain why poverty has a tendency to be passed down from one generation to the next.

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  65. CF says:

    On the question of whether its moral or not. The thing is, men and women play the game with each other. Women use make-up, high heels, tight clothing to enhance their “game” or use those things as their trigger.

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  66. Liz says:

    My Swiss maiden surname means “wallowing boar” incidentally.
    After reading BV’s post that kind of adds to the “imagery” a bit. lol!

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  67. Farm Boy says:

    Norwegian Woman Claims to be Cat Trapped in a Human’s Body

    I wonder if this will happen to Liz next…

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  68. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Yoda,
    Had that girl said that in 1945, I am certain that she would have been introduced to many Russians.
    About that. Americans don’t do that so it does seem so alien to us. One person suggested that it was the female Russian soldiers who egged their males on.

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  69. Tarnished says:

    On the question of whether its moral or not. The thing is, men and women play the game with each other. Women use make-up, high heels, tight clothing to enhance their “game” or use those things as their trigger.

    An intriguing analogy.
    So then, is it moral for a man to use game on a woman who doesn’t wear makeup, heels, and tight clothes? If only 1 person is playing the game, how much does that alter the interactions?

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  70. thedeti says:

    THis is a good post you can sink your teeth into.

    “How effective is Game?” It’s effective, but only short term. I think that’s what the PUAs like Krauser, Roissy, Roosh, Neil Strauss, Mystery, etc. found out. It’s also unsatisfying in the long term. Just ask Strauss, Roosh and Mystery.

    Game isn’t the problem; the problem is the PUA’s relationship to Game. Game isn’t part of his life; it isn’t who he is. He acts the part of the masculine man; it’s a set of clothes he puts on. But it isn’t part of him. It isn’t what he internalizes. That’s why the focus has been shifting away from Game per se and toward masculinity. Game can’t be something you do; it has to be something you ARE. Because if a man isn’t masculine; if he isn’t truly outcome independent, if he doesn’t truly believe he’s a prize; if he doesn’t truly believe that he’ll be OK if his wife leaves, then it’s just something he does; he’s just LARPing.

    And he’s not expecting better from the women in his life. In Game, you expect shit from women because you’re shit and they’re shit. You’re playacting. Everything’s a runup to the sex; everything’s a precursor to the climax of masturbating into her vagina while she revels in the validation/affirmation. Because for men it’s about the sex, the ejaculation, the release. For women it’s about the attention from a man, the affirmation of her value as a sexual creature; and the validation that her existence as a woman still matters.

    “What is the future?” I still think it’s this: http://www.singularity2050.com/2010/01/the-misandry-bubble.html

    “The Misandry Bubble” is one of the first things I ever read when I stumbled into the Manosphere in early 2011. I still think it holds true. I don’t think the timetable is correct, because I think it’s way too brief. Things aren’t going to change or turn around that quickly. Things will continue sliding in the same general direction they’re going now.

    The future of masculinity is that men will have to internalize what they learn here so that it becomes part of who they are. If it’s just something they do; it’s something they’ll stop doing the moment some girl tells them to stop because it’s “not nice” or “mean” or “you don’t have to do that”. If it’s just something they do; then the sex is more important to them than actually being masculine and being a man. If it’s just something they do and not who they are, they will not survive when the tough times come (and they will come). If it’s just something he does, then he doesn’t really know who or what he is. If it’s just something he does, then every woman he comes into contact with will sniff this out eventually, and he will lose her every time.

    The future is that most men will not internalize this. The future is that MGTOW will explode in real numbers. Most men are not attractive enough to attract and hold the interest of one woman long term. Most men just don’t have what it takes. They just don’t. Most of them aren’t going to marry and will never father children. Most of them will have sex and dating lives that look much like the average high school boy. He gets a date here and there; every so often he gets sex and a girlfriend who stays with him a few months. Then a long, long dry spell, then the cycle repeats. His entire life will look like this . Damaged, unattractive men on occasion coupling with damaged women of varying attractiveness.

    That’s bleak, I know. But it’s the end result of a world in which women have no reason to stay with men. It’s the end result of giving women everything they want. It’s the end result of a world that has no use for the bottom 25% to 30% of its men. It’s the end result of a world where fully half the men aren’t attractive enough to mate or reproduce.

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  71. BuenaVista says:

    The laborers on the farm where I work are precursors of the men Deti describes. Granted, farm labor is not glamorous stuff, but some guys still have too much self-respect to be an assistant manager at the convenience store, and too much pride to work for the packers. Also, half of them couldn’t pass a drug test.

    1. Jacob: lives with father; mother dumped father. Jacob is pretty smart, told me once, “I can’t afford to get married, because I can’t afford to get divorced.” Girlfriend’s truck has a playboy sticker in the window. I asked him, “So, Jake, does your girlfriend look like a playboy model?” He laughed the Big Laugh.

    2. Luis: divorced, two children, living with a woman out of wedlock (divorced two children). Was accused of domestic abuse and stalking for standing on the sidewalk in front of his ex-‘s house, and was arrested. (A sidewalk is a public space. He stood there waiting for his children for his 48 hours of biweekly “visitation.” When he reminded the cop of this .. fact … he was also charged with interference with official acts. He has been making installment payments to his lawyer ever since.) Asked me Wednesday night, coming back from a pork producer event, “How do you read so much? I want to read. But I just turn on the TV, I’m too tired.”

    3. Brandon: Sole parent of two children. His ex- doesn’t work because “she has issues.” He comes to work at 4:30 a.m. because he needs to be home when school’s out. Brandon is an excellent herdsman; he has the nervous, furtive look of a hunted animal. Stutters when asked a direct question. Appears startled and amazed if a man says “Good morning dude!”

    4. Josh: substance abuser. Misses work regularly. Just had a baby with his girlfriend. Probably doing meth. Gets pneumonia every winter. Chain smokes. Mother never married. Brother used to work on the farm also, but is in jail.

    5. Miquel: an illegal. He’s married. Moved to this area to get out of the gang-world that is L.A. He seems fairly grounded.

    6. John: animal science major from major land grant university. Has “managed” the farm since 1985. Is very close to the 50 feral cats that prowl about. He talks to them and lets them shit all over the feed mill floor. Turning the entire operation into a junk yard: nothing has been salvaged or thrown out in 30 years. Has bags of pop cans going back a couple of decades. Hard worker, fit, a non-thinker, says, “I don’t like people.” Married to a college administrator, who is approximately 5’4″ and 250 pounds. She limps and reads 2-3 romance novels a week, he says. Their cultural life is Thursday night bowling. Has the vague sensation he is in hell, but like being behind in the manure spreading (he didn’t get it done last fall), prefers not to think about it. That’s probably the rational response.

    I understand that there are a mix of pathologies and vulnerabilities manifested by these men. However, we see in their lives the toxic stew of the current economy (they comprise an underclass in a part of the country that never had one before; the average farm here has a gross value (net of debt) of $10-$15mm). Contemporary intersexual relations comprise the collective coup de grace. They really have no hope of a stable working or family life.

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  72. BuenaVista says:

    I should have said, “exclusive of debt.” But anyone over the age of, say, 55, probably paid off his land loans by now. Your average, poor social-skilled, unfashionable guy with the new truck that he uses to pull his RV for two weeks every August, probably has a net worth 10x higher than your average high-end Washington lawyer.

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  73. Farm Boy says:

    BV,

    Yes indeed. The farmers all around my farm are very wealthy, though they plead poverty. Most of them do work hard for their money, as these farms are probably not as big as the Iowa farms. However, government programs have been a big boon, perhaps too big of a boon.

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  74. BuenaVista says:

    Well, I’m sympathetic. Any business with a 1-2% return on capital is a fragile one.

    I’m not sympathetic to their tax privileges. Farming is the only business I’m aware of where you can expense in the current period (year) 100% of your capital expenditures. In every other business you have to amortize the investment over the useful life of the product (e.g., $250,000 tractor).

    So I’m going to farm. Woo-hoo, no more income taxes.

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  75. Farm Boy says:

    I just put in 25K of field drainage tile. I can only write that off over 15 years. But then, I am not farming the land, a renter is

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  76. ballista74 says:

    “But they aren’t given ANY authority, just the responsibility.

    A problem this is.
    Worthy of a post it would be”

    It is the subject of Dalrock’s most recent thread.

    And numerous posts all over the place of varying quality, including a number of them at my own place. To not understand and oppose the dynamic of female submission in traditional marriage correctly is to enable feminism at its very core.

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  77. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    I don’t know how it can be countered. In doing as much, women have made themselve the superior without the attendant responsibility.

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  78. Spawny Get says:

    Ballista, you are very welcome to post links to your blog and blog posts. Including I have a new post…

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  79. Liz says:

    LOL Mike just read me a letter in the Chive:
    “My neighbor obviously doesn’t watch porn. She asked me to come fix her sink.
    I’ve been here for an hour and I’m still fixing the damned sink.”

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  80. ballista74 says:

    @fuzziewuzziebear

    I don’t know how it can be countered. In doing as much, women have made themselve the superior without the attendant responsibility.

    Feminism is enabled by a number of deceptions, along with simple ego-stroking. The last part of sentence is the whole crux of the matter behind feminism. Feminism says: “Women are morally perfect by their very nature, therefore men are not. Since men are not, they must atone for their sin of being born a man by providing and protecting for the women. A man’s measure (e.g. masculinity) is his suitability for these tasks as judged by women. Men must do this because women are the weaker sex.” This is true of both traditionalism and modern feminism. It simply gets enabled because people accept what is presented before them without thinking it all out the whole way.

    Game is a perfect example to root out this feminist nature:
    “I’m becoming more assertive about my own life. I’m trying to eat right and lift.”
    “Good, hope you succeed and improve your life. Why are you doing this?”
    “I need to become more assertive in my life.”
    “Why are you doing this?”
    “I really would like to have a more stable relationship with my girlfriend.”
    “Why are you doing this?”
    “Alright, I want to gain the approval of women! Alright! I want women to like me!”

    The last sentence is the real truth of the matter. It’s good to take care of yourself and all that, but is it the right place of a man to be chasing after the approval of women? Putting aside any arguments that Game reflects little of the real truth going on, the simple goal of it makes it a feminist practice. If I have to measure up to the approval of another as my function in life, then that makes the “another” my superior. If I have to meet the approval of another, then I am giving power to that “another” and submitting to that “another”, which puts me in that “gamma” position.

    Correctly driving all these things out to simple moral imperatives is when true Red Pill enlightenment begins. Unfortunately, this shift to “masculinity” brings another problem, as it’s another buying in to the (more traditionalist) feminist dynamic when that whole idea is driven to a simple moral imperative.

    This can be countered. The problem is knocking down these deceptions and feeding in real truth to the point that these dynamics can be clearly seen. Unfortunately another deception comes in that the answer becomes so simple as to be foolish (don’t chase after the approval of women), so it’s never accepted. The depressing part of it when you start to get so Red Pill that you can start seeing green characters falling, you realize just how entrenched the whole thing is, so you wonder if it’s something most are ready to hear. It definitely is one of the reasons why I don’t post as much as I could (still debating how much of this I should share on the blog), though I have posted a lot on some of these matters within the last year or so.

    @Spawny Get

    Ballista, you are very welcome to post links to your blog and blog posts. Including I have a new post…

    I’ll keep it in mind. A lot of the question is that I don’t want to seem like I’m shilling my blog all the time. Someone a few posts ago here mentioned the idea of repetitiveness re the manosphere. So much of what I see anymore could be answered in comment by quoting a blog post or few, so I try to stay away from that and just merely try to add where I can, unless I can think of one that can directly answer whatever it is at hand.

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  81. BuenaVista says:

    ““Alright, I want to gain the approval of women! Alright! I want women to like me!”

    “The last sentence is the real truth of the matter. It’s good to take care of yourself and all that, but is it the right place of a man to be chasing after the approval of women? Putting aside any arguments that Game reflects little of the real truth going on, the simple goal of it makes it a feminist practice.”

    Actually, the above is a cynical feminist view. That a man might improve himself, his life and his health *only* to make women like him, is an outlook that ignores the history of western civilization. Western civilization, it’s art, technology, laws, and wars, were directed by men. To suggest that men seek excellence in order to capture pussy inverts reality.

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  82. Spawny Get says:

    “I don’t want to seem like I’m shilling my blog all the time.”

    I appreciate that, but I’m more of a mind that we’re all on the same side. If this place isn’t quite the tone you’re after? Try your one. Or Bloom’s / RedPillGirl. Spawny is not a jealous patriarch…

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  83. […] you are familiar with the Red Pill, perhaps you have heard the term “Game.” Different people define it in different ways, but in short the term comes from a book […]

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