The Manosphere Through Time — My Perceptions


It was January 2011 when I first discovered the Manosphere.  A friend who had been recently frivorced introduced me,  In his case, he had found the PUA part of it when trying to determine what had happened to him.  After his introduction to PUA knowledge, I discovered the rest of it.  The following is from my interpretation of what seemed to be happening.  Of course, I only saw a slice of the situation, so others may have different experiences.

Back in 2011, there was still a newness.  Of course, it was all new to me, but irrespective of that, there did seem to be many men out there looking for answers.  Many men commented on blogs, and through this, information was exchanged and theory built.  Back in those days I was a frequent visitor of the Spearhead.  And from the spearhead, I found Dalrock’s and other blogs.  Back in those days, the comment threads on Dalrock often exceeded 1000, with a huge number of contributors.   And once again, so very many of the commenters were newbie types.

The a bit later Sunshine Mary’s blog started.  Since it was hosted by a lady, it was naturally coed.  I was one of the first regulars; and as she liked my dry humor, I was encouraged to stay.  With many women involved, the discussions were often contentious,; but out of this came a further development and understanding of the red pill.  It struck me that the Manosphere was maturing.  Eventually Sunshine Mary was “outed” (she was a bit careless with personal info, I knew who she really was before she was outs, so I was not totally shocked).  The way that she was treated was telling though.  It was very vicious indeed.  Probably in large part it was because she was a lady, and was considered to be an Uncle Tom by others.  She could not be so easily dismissed as a bitter loser guy; and was starting to hit in the weak spots of Feminism.  Which brings up the next point, the Manosphere was starting to be noticed.

Eventually I moved on to Just4Guys and then here to Spawny’s.  I have written much here, and much of it has been a consolidation of knowledge that has been developed over the recent years in the Manosphere.  It would appear that it has reached an initial level of maturity, and this would be a good thing.

Recently FuzzieWuzzieBear commented that there does not seem to be as much action around the Manosphere as there used to be.  Perhaps this is true.  Readers can chime in on this.  If true, this is probably because the initial rush of fellas of all ages interested in the subject have come and some have gone.  Probably many of the new visitors will be from young men in their teens and twenties just coming of age; a smaller cohort.  It is incumbent on us to refine, adapt and apply this knowledge to current conditions and events for their benefit.

Exit question:  What does the future in the Manosphere hold?

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141 comments on “The Manosphere Through Time — My Perceptions
  1. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Farm Boy,
    I do miss Sunshine Mary’s old blog. What people her should know is that she wasn’t taken down by feminists but, by jealous female antifeminists.
    My impresssions of the manosphere getting quiet happened over the holidays but, there is less fire than in the past.
    On the other hand, I get the feeling that we are on the verge of something.

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  2. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Off topic. From what I have heard, Chritians in the Middle East have a tough row to hoe. I have heard that they are vanishing from Israel.

    http://www.thinkinghousewife.com/wp/2016/01/may-his-name-be-obliterated/

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  3. Spawny Get says:

    Think I have you beat by a few years, Farm Boy. At least two, but off the top of my head, I’d like to claim a few more than that. Roissy, the real one, was my gateway. Damn he was good. His blog was already running, in case that’s a clue. It wasn’t a start up.

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  4. Tarnished says:

    My first foray into the Manosphere was in roughly 2010 via people and forums like Antimisandry.com, Angry Harry, The Spearhead, AVfM, and very random MGTOW or PUA blogs. I started my blog in 2013, and it lasted a bit over a year. Unlike other commenters here, I never enjoyed bloggers like Dalrock, SSM, or Rollo…they were/are simply too tradcon, Christian, or unrelentingly Red Pill for my Purple Pill tastes. What happened to Mary was still bullshit though.

    Just4Guys was excellent, I thoroughly enjoyed GenderNeutralLanguage when he was around, I still comment over at Toysoldier’s place, Barbarosa was my favorite YouTuber of all time, and Erudite Knight was cool til we had a huge miscommunication and a resulting falling out. M3 was the Boss, and a pretty good online friend. Nowadays I stick mostly here and a few select MGTOW forums or blogs. There’s nothing wrong with *most* PUA or MRA ones…I just think MGTOW is the only real way anything can conceivably make life better for men.

    I don’t see the manosphere dying off anytime soon, and the current lack of newer guys is probably due to them not knowing about it. That, or people are taking a break, because it can get severely depressing or toxic to a healthy mindset in too much quantity.

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  5. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    I think it was 2013 that I discovered the manosphere. After watching all of Karen Straugha’s videos, I typed in the word “hypergamy” and there it was. It was a solid year of lurking before I submited a coment.

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  6. Farm Boy says:

    I do think that the potential number of new guys tuning in is now limited. Mainly just new young guys coming of age looking for answers.

    If you are one of those fella, welcome

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  7. Yoda says:

    Note that SSM considered her blog to be part of the Manosphere not

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  8. Tarnished says:

    I didn’t think mine necessarily was either, Yoda. However, numerous posts of mine were featured on/linked to various manosphere blogs, so…

    Guilty by association? 😛

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  9. Yoda says:

    What work left to be done there is?

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  10. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Yoda,
    “What work left to be done there is?”
    Find a solution that gets us out of thid mess.

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  11. Tarnished says:

    Alllllll the work.

    Seriously. All the work.
    Things still suck.
    Men are still getting hurt. What *isn’t* left to be done?

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  12. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Yoda,
    While SSM denied that her blog was part of the manosphere, it was definitely contrary to feminism. To support her contention, it was written by a women for woman lurkers. What really set it apart was all the talent on the threads.

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  13. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Tarn,
    You just reminded me of the worst insult that I ever leveled at a customer. She came in wearing knee high yellow and black wide striped socks and I asked if her designer was Dr. Seuss.
    It got a laugh.

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  14. Yoda says:

    She came in wearing knee high yellow and black wide striped socks and I asked if her designer was Dr. Seuss.

    Probably challenged a bear she did not

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  15. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Yoda,
    Those socks would have fit in with any of his books. He had a talent for designing outrageous costumes.

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  16. Tarnished says:

    Hey now, Cat in the Hat is a classic novel amongst blondes, y’know.

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  17. Yoda says:

    Tarn that would be?

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  18. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Tarn,
    She needs whiskers.

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  19. Tarnished says:

    Nope, sorry Yoda.
    I have a few outfits, but none of them are Seussian in nature.

    Fuzzie,
    Unfortunately Google only provides so much…

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  20. Tarnished says:

    And besides, that wouldn’t be me. She’s wearing cosmetics. I don’t own any. 😛

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  21. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Tarn,
    I disn’t say that to be overly critical buu, whiskers can make a cat costume along with a tail and ears. Something to put in your back pocket and use some day.

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  22. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Tarn,
    This may be a business opportunity. Does anyone do Dr. Suess?

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  23. I’d ave to look back but I believe I came across the manosphere via therulesrevisited.com sometime in 2013. Then from there went to j4g where I “met” many of you here 🙂 I also feel like things have slowed down, or maybe shifted direction? It seems politics takes up a lot of discussion over game etc. these days. I kindof missed the “heyday” of it all, coming in on the downswing somewhat. I remember hearing often, “go to so and so’s blog, but back in the archives to the earlier stuff…”

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  24. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Bloom,
    Don’t underestimate your contribution. You’re writing for women and there are few conistant bloggers doing this.
    That the talk has shifted to politics is only natural. We have another wide open Presidential election coming up. To add to that, we’ll see how powerful feminists are at the polls. The Democrats have presumed too much since Bill Clinton ran for reelection.

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  25. molly says:

    I don’t watch the manosphere except spanyspace. My first comment was last year.
    I don’t want to intrude too much except I really do like men 🙂

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  26. molly says:

    Were men like pressure for years and years and WHOOSH it all blue out and spent in the manosphere.

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  27. Sumo says:

    pressure for years and years and WHOOSH it all blue out

    That sounds like my last date.

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  28. Liz says:

    Hi Bloom! I notice we’re synchronized hitting the ‘like’ buttons. 😛

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  29. Liz says:

    You should be in bed! 😉

    I’ll admit when I first got to the manosphere I was actually pretty het up. Someone on one of the military blogs I frequent linked to heartiste back when the Petraeus scandal was first going on. I was pretty pissed about the treatment of Mrs Petraeus, but some of the commentary resonated with me.
    I started reading other sights (mostly lurking and reading, I can’t remember commenting anywhere before JFG after spending only two days at heartiste) and then joined JFG.

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  30. molly says:

    Liz y mum who is strict as well. I have so much company in men. U r Itilian, I am good looking. I use my looks, some people r good looking eh. We just are. 😉

    Is it right tho
    ?

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  31. molly says:

    Slow down molly take control. Liz is consistent like my mum and attractive to men is all. heh 😀

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  32. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Molly!
    It’s my bedtime but, glad to see you! 🌯 🌯 🌯 🐻 🙄

    I found this linked elsewhere. The fembots are getting more shrill and freer with calling in the lawdogs.
    http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/01/17/lock-feminists-call-put-milo-yiannopoulos-behind-bars/

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  33. molly says:

    night night Fuzzie 🌯 🌯 🌯 🌯

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  34. Sumo says:

    Liz y mum who is strict as well. I have so much company in men. U r Itilian, I am good looking. I use my looks, some people r good looking eh. We just are. 😉

    Is it right tho
    ?

    Am I the only one who thinks that wee Molls is drunk? 😛

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  35. Spawny Get says:

    I’m just glad that Lizard is back. I was starting to worry.

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  36. Spawny Get says:

    p.s.
    Sight / Site / Cite / Cyt(oplasm) ?

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  37. Spawny Get says:

    Feminism is for men too…right…right?

    I feel really bad for these guys. Sure I mocked one of them, but c’mon. Being a virgin really isn’t that bad. Being lonely on the otherhand…

    This isn’t a mocking video (I’m at the six minute mark), it shows what happens when men follow the femeroid script, what the result of that is and how much the femeroids care.

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  38. Dragonfly says:

    Wow Farm Boy! Thank you so much for giving us your insights, I really appreciated reading it for sure.

    “The way that she was treated was telling though. It was very vicious indeed. ”

    This is what I think bothers me… before, I myself misunderstood what was going on, didn’t really understand the dynamics of what was happening, or thought maybe the viciousness had some kind of cause, but then after reading and searching it out, it came down to just a few women and a couple of men who were the attackers. And Fuzzie is right, this man’s blog is kind of enlightening about it:

    https://lgrisaliarandacoward.wordpress.com/2014/04/20/laura-grace-robins-is-a-liar-and-a-coward/

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  39. Spawny Get says:

    Finally! Proof that Hatie’s bus, the vangina, was pink.

    Despite her squirming on the issue at the time…cerise, magenta etc

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  40. SFC Ton says:

    The manosphere is a mess for a few reasons

    many places offer to solution or hope
    to much infighting with PUA, MGTOW’s and semi Red Pill Trad Cons fighting for control
    its pretty much out of new info or solutions
    many of the so called leading voices are whinny bitter betas which turns men and women off
    most in the manosphere refuse to take the Red Pill to its logical conclusion and there fore willnot/ cannot address major issues
    many in the manosphere refuse to see the driving forces behind feminism and want parts of the overall package but not that part

    to sum it up most writers are idealist pussies who want some perfect combination of half measures that will not work and most men understand at a gut level they will not work. Sort of like Bush2 fighting the GWOT like a pussy and getting shit results

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  41. SFC Ton says:

    also jfg is a pretty good example of my points from above

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  42. Liz says:

    Lol Ton.
    I liked JFG
    well, before it imploded…and before it became the Obsidian-only place.
    I like Obsidian but I don’t think just one voice should run things, unless they renamed it JustOneGuy.

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  43. Liz says:

    I never followed SSM much, until Forney wrote his poison-pen stuff. I believed it at first, but after about a day and a half I caught on that the real story was different.

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  44. Yoda says:

    Good to see Liz and Ton it is

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  45. Yoda says:

    Societal solutions difficult they would be.
    Individual solutions possible they are.
    The path to both though education it would be.
    That why here I am.

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  46. Yoda says:

    Hatie kinda looks like Merkel’s sister she does

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  47. Yoda says:

    take the Red Pill to its logical conclusion

    Patriarchy

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  48. Yoda says:

    Wonder if cat whiskers count a make-up I do.
    If not, Tarn a blonde cat she might be

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  49. Yoda says:

    “Fuchsia the van is” insist she probably does

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  50. Yoda says:

    Notice they did,

    system renders men second-class citizens

    Just recently it has been reported that marriages are in decline, along with birthrates in Bermuda, thus matching trends around the world. We researched as to why this is happening?

    Many women cannot find “Mr Right”, even though they are looking hard to find him. Are men wilfully abandoning marriages? Why is this happening?

    According to Helen Smith, author of Men on Strike: Why Men Are Boycotting Marriages, Fatherhood and the American Dream, “ultimately, men know there’s a good chance they’ll lose their friends, their respect, their space, their sex life, their money, their family — if it all goes wrong”.

    Dr Smith added: “They don’t want to enter into a legal contract with someone who could effectively take half their savings, pension and property, when the honeymoon period is over.
    “Men aren’t wimping out by staying unmarried or being commitment-phobes. They are being smart.”
    American social commentator Suzanne Venker agrees. The problem with divorce settlements, she says, “is women want to have their cake and eat it. We have messed with the old marriage structure and now it’s broken.

    “Back in the old days, stay-at-home mothers got financial rewards because child-rearing doesn’t pay cash. Now we want total independence from men, but if we divorce — even without having children — we expect to get alimony for ever. We can’t have it both ways.”
    Venker adds: “Many women have been raised to think of men as the enemy. It’s precisely this dynamic — women good, men bad — that has destroyed the relationship between the sexes.” Further, Venker says, “after decades of browbeating, men are tired; tired of being told there’s something fundamentally wrong with them. Tired of being told that if women aren’t happy, it’s their fault. The rise of women has not threatened men; it has irritated them.

    http://mobile.royalgazette.com/article/20160119/COMMENT/160119645

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  51. Yoda says:

    Does anyone do Dr. Suess?

    Mrs. Seuss?

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  52. Yoda says:

    Lena thinks a bit, sometimes, then disregards it she does

    Before endorsing Hillary Clinton and campaigning with the Democratic presidential candidate earlier this month, actress Lena Dunham privately fretted about the Clintons’ treatment of women surrounding Bill Clinton’s sex scandals, according to a new report.

    The New York Times reported Wednesday that during a dinner party in New York a few months ago, the “Girls” star told guests at the apartment of HBO’s chief executive that she was disturbed by efforts on the part of the Clintons to discredit women who had accused the former president of sexual assault.

    Dunham declined to comment to the newspaper for the report, which cited unidentified sources. A spokeswoman for the actress told the Times that Dunham “fully” supports Hillary Clinton and “her track record of protecting women” and that her dinner party comments had been mischaracterized.

    http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/266422-report-lena-dunham-privately-fretted-about-hillarys-treatment

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  53. BuenaVista says:

    I think the manosphere is less fevered for two reasons.

    One, after a certain point, the red pill framework is so plausible and explanatory, it’s just boring to write another reiteration of what everyone knows. (For that matter, once you examine male SMP experience via the lens of the RP, a lot of dating and other contact intersexual sports become tiresome.)

    I think people like Rollo and Dalrock are interesting and thoughtful, but the commenters are so predictable and rote — red pill or christian red pill, respectively) that I find it as annoying as listening to media interviews with dipshit “likely voters.”

    Two, the younger guys are more acculturated than we were (we who hit the red pill wall after a lifetime of chasing Good Man/Drafthorse/Blue Pill Dreams), and they see no reason to comment on something that they already know.

    If I’m right, red pill is in the process of becoming mainstream. I talk to a lot of guys when I’m having a beer and a ballgame, and I meet a lot of guys who are not, and never will be, married. But they have no idea what “red pill” means.

    As a footnote, most red pill men I know are not chatty, and a lot of these blogs have devolved into chatty-cathy in-group repetition.

    There were some real intellectuals pushing the envelope at J4G, but of course Obsidian’s self-aggrandizing look-at-me demagoguing (not to mention his fascination with illiterate black vernacular, as though Talking Black were some badge of honor instead of an ignorance signal) caused a lot of people to say, “I have better things to do with my time.”

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  54. thedeti says:

    Agree with Ton above. The manosphere used to be a place of really good developing theory. Roissy was just incredibly good writing back before I even got here in March 2011. I have been all the way through the archives from its beginnings to about January 2010; I highly recommend doing this.

    The writing is getting incredibly repetitive. I’m finding myself saying the same things over and over again. At some point, you have to take what you’ve learned and move on. I’m way beyond the basics. I think that we just go around in circles and reinvent the wheel over and over again. I am dumbfounded at how certain people need to have the basic principles explained again and again, repeatedly.

    There’s too much bitching about feminism. Too many unattractive dudes complaining about not getting laid. I got news for most of you — unless you are top 30% physically attractive, your sex/love life will look pretty much like it did in high school, until you’re about 35 or so and some woman deigns to make you her beta provider. It’s provider drafthorse or nothing for most of you men. Sorry, but that’s how it’s going to be for most of you. I’d strongly suggest getting a few good hobbies and forgoing marriage and fatherhood, because it’s just not going to happen for most of you. It’s just not. If you do get married, most of you will be on the receiving end of a frivorce.

    I see the manosphere splitting further into the Christomanosphere faction, the Virgins Going their Own Way faction; the true MGTOWs, the PUAs, the Tradcons, and the Reddit Redpill faction (self improvement/make riches/fuck bitches). Men are going to have to draw from each what they can, do what they can and make the best of it. And increasingly, “the best of it” is going to entail forgoing long term relationships, mostly because most men will not be attractive enough to get and keep the long term interest of one woman They’re just not. They don’t have enough to offer a woman to keep her with him long term. They just don’t,

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  55. BuenaVista says:

    theDeti: “At some point, you have to take what you’ve learned and move on.”

    This, for me, is the interesting problem. Namely, constructing a new set of life objectives that are meaningful, inasmuch as “lift weights, make money, and fuck bitches” is about as challenging (and gratifying) as buying a Big Gulp at the 7-11.

    In my case, I’m investigating the idea of Vocation (as introduced by Luther), a focus on legacy (one’s life as a body of work that someone in the future considers worthy of study), and a focus on redefining “maturity.” (In the latter case, I think a lot of adult men are brainwashed into believing that their value as “mature” men is based on their acceptance, and validation, by women — or even their children.)

    It’s no consolation that the women are completely lost when confronted with an attractive man, and he won’t fall like timber when she opens her bedroom door. The problem for them, and perhaps for the men, is that none of the old rules (remember “women are the gateway to sex”, from Susan Walsh?) apply. I told a woman two days ago that I will always give her a safe harbor, but I will never tolerate another of her self-sabotaging tantrums — not once. She cried like a baby, not out of loss or shame, but out of absolute confusion. She is so thoroughly habituated to her postmodern “autonomy” (casually, “what I feel, what I want, is superior to any exterior reality — and that includes YOU!”) that she cracks and collapses when confronted with a few simple rules of engagement. Mine are: 100% conformity to an ethic of kindness, respect and good sex. She’s only got one of the three down pat.

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  56. Yoda says:

    True, much theory already developed it is.
    Mostly subtleties and nuances remain they do

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  57. Yoda says:

    Two, the younger guys are more acculturated than we were

    True this surely is.
    The extent thereof an interesting question it is

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  58. Yoda says:

    after a certain point, the red pill framework is so plausible and explanatory, it’s just boring to write another reiteration of what everyone knows.

    Understandable this view is.
    However, for many not so obvious the red pill framework would be.
    Explaining to they do need

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  59. Tarnished says:

    I talk to a lot of guys when I’m having a beer and a ballgame, and I meet a lot of guys who are not, and never will be, married. But they have no idea what “red pill” means.

    Same here during games/conventions. Guys aged anywhere from late teens thru early 30’s…very few seem to know of actual online terminology, but they all look at the system and independently determine it’s not what they want out of life. Totally understandable. I’m glad they’re reaching said conclusions at younger ages, rather than after being frivorced and taken advantage of for the majority of a marriage.

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  60. Spawny Get says:

    I do think that there’re always new lurkers that get keyed into the red pill, so I don’t think that there’s any problem if there’s some re-hashing.

    Some re-hashing-to-others can be personally cathartic, as well as being a fresh lesson to new-lurkers. If it helps you, or you think might help reach a newby, why not consider writing a post?

    Having said that (re. re-hashing), that’s why I’m more than relaxed about where anybody wants to take the conversation. Got something to say? Remembering the sensitivity of where some of us live, particularly me as nominal blog ‘owner’…drop a comment volunteering to write a post. Several of us have the ability to make it happen.

    If you want, we can create a new identity via email under which the post is made. if you want to contact me about this, the simplest method is probably to toggle the ‘like’ on this comment half a dozen times (there will be no lasting sign on the blog, but I’ll have a bunch of likes from you on the same comment…spider sense tingle inducing. I’ll drop you an email on your address.

    I drag in some UK politics issues in comments and occasionally as posts (one is upcoming). Consider one from your own country. It seems to me that many US’ites might be about to vote Trump for very, very similar reasons that I voted UKIP. I voted that way even while having some reservations…it was just all I was left with.

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  61. I know j4g has its issues, especially near the end, but what I do miss are the robust discussions there and the number of commenters and all the unique points of view shedding light on things from all angles. Whatever the topic, we’d pick it right down to the bones. I quite enjoyed that part…and miss it.

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  62. Spawny Get says:

    I did try and keep links to a few of the guys at JFG, but…nothing so far

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  63. thedeti says:

    BV:

    Agree that “red pill” is becoming mainstream, but only a few small parts of it. The parts I can think of off the top of my head:

    1) AFBB (though it’s never stated as such. It’s always stated in longhand form, like this: “She has sex with hawt dudes until she’s about 30, then starts looking for a safe stable guy to settle down with”.

    AFBB is something the younger men are really noticing. For women doing the Sheryl Sandberg “lean in” thing, the younger men are onto them. These younger guys can see exactly what they are doing. I see and hear guys talking about this all the time, especially at places like Thought Catalog, HuffPo, EliteDaily, etc.

    But in the end, I don’t think it will matter all that much. The thirst is real, these guys want to get laid, and at the end of the day they will do what it takes to get pussy, and most of them will wife it up if that is what it will take. I think that any marriage attrition because they’re noticing AFBB will happen slowly over a couple of generations. But make no mistake about it — men are noticing women doing AFBB; they just don’t call it that.

    2) Marriage is a bad deal for men all around – too expensive, can’t afford it, sex isn’t promised, high risk, low reward. At least that’s the initial perception. Paradoxically in conjunction with 1) above, guys are noticing this too. Every man over age 14 in the US either has been through a nasty divorce that ripped his insides out; or knows another man who has. An increasing number of men are not getting married at all, for just this reason – they dont’ want to risk it. A smaller number of guys aren’t getting married because they can’t get anything. They can’t attract women.

    3) Something I’m noticing but a lot of men aren’t, or aren’t talking about, is that your average man isn’t good enough anymore. He’s got a good job in a trade. Or he’s got a decent office job. He makes decent money. Used to be, that was good enough to get a woman long term. Not anymore, friends. But — I am getting a sense that a lot more men implicitly are understanding this, and adjusting for it however they can.

    Average tradesman is nowhere near good enough – unless he’s got a lantern jaw, a six pack and is at least 6 feet tall. The only way the average tradesman or skilled worker is going to get a woman is by being way above average in physical appearance or by adopting hypermasculine hobbies. He needs to be absolutely jacked and ripped. He needs to dress well off work. He needs to have tattoos, ride a motorcycle, and/or be a gym rat. I’m noticing this a lot more about the electricians, plumbers and HVAC dudes doing work at my house — they are either complete mopes, or they are putting in LOTS of time at the gym.

    The average professional man is in the same boat as the tradesman, except he has more money and less free time at his disposal. He’ll look like an idiot with a barbed wire armband tattoo or a pierced ear. He needs to start riding a Harley and lifting weights, or he won’t attract any woman until he’s about 38, when the 34 and over contingent starts shopping for their golden parachutes. These men will eventually find women, but they’ll be mostly drafthorse providers. Problem for those men is that they have to keep the ultra high performance and earning power to keep their wives. They slip even a little bit, suffer a reversal of professional fortune, get sick, get depressed, whatever, and they WILL find themselves frivorced.

    Average guys are just not going to make it, in mating/dating, or pretty much anywhere else, really.

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  64. Spawny I see lots of them seem to have moved over to Rollo’s blog. And I like Rollo’s blog too, but it’s not very mixed company friendly, so I rarely comment there. And as if you all haven’t noticed, it literally drives me nuts NOT to comment, so I find I don’t read his blog as much as I would like to because of that. I especially miss Yohami, Badpainter, Han Solo, Ted D, Bastiat, Deti (good to see you!), and I am sure I am forgetting many others…

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  65. Spawny Get says:

    “be a gym rat. I’m noticing this a lot more about the electricians, plumbers and HVAC dudes doing work at my house — they are either complete mopes, or they are putting in LOTS of time at the gym.”

    Was it around here that someone pointed out that women love the guy’s gym-body, but they require that it be effortless. They want a ripped boyfriend, but they don’t want him disappearing off to the gym when he should be doing the honey-do list and worshiping her arse?

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  66. Tarnished says:

    Was it around here that someone pointed out that women love the guy’s gym-body, but they require that it be effortless.

    Well, Spawny, everything worthwhile is easy and only requires the mere lift of a finger, right? /massive sarcasm

    They want a ripped boyfriend, but they don’t want him disappearing off to the gym…

    That’s nice. I want a capybara.
    It’s good that “wanting” is free and doesn’t necessarily have to do with reality, isn’t it? Plus, I think “dad-bod” or whatever it’s called now is better looking than gym-bod. But that’s just a personal preference.

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  67. Tarnished says:

    The majestic capybara aka giant aquatic guinea pig:

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  68. BuenaVista says:

    “But in the end, I don’t think it will matter all that much.” –deti

    I don’t know, man. Even Pew (liberal, feminist, progressive foundation) found three years ago that age 30+ men were opting out of marriage at the rate approaching 35%. The cognitive dissonance surrounding this stat has been staggering. Mostly it follows the Walsh prejudice that such a number doesn’t matter, because those guys are not attractive upper middle class guys.

    However, the last two investment bankers I worked with told me, much to my confusion, “If it flies, floats or fucks, rent it.” I mean, I was totally aghast. Post red-pill, it’s a truism.

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  69. OMG I want a giant guinea pig, too! (Sorry, got carried away there…)

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  70. thedeti says:

    “The cognitive dissonance surrounding this stat has been staggering.”

    I had forgotten about that Pew study. (Is it a self report or a straight stat – over 30 men not married, or reporting they would not marry? I’m a bit skeptical of self report studies.)

    I agree that it has the Blue Pill intelligentsia scratching their heads. SW will say it’s because they’re not attractive and upper middle class. (But I do think that the UMC and above will be more and more where people are marrying. People who earn less won’t be able to afford marriage, and won’t be able to absorb the huge financial hit they’ll suffer in a divorce.)

    The conventional wisdom (which SW also spouts sometimes) is that men 30+ won’t marry because they’re out there slaying pussy, or, more often, they are immature, childish Peter Pan manboys who are playing with overgrown expensive toys when they should be saving up for engagement rings and all expense paid honeymoons. They are spending their money on beer, bros, Xbox, weed and porn when they should be taking these nice girls out on dates.

    There is no consideration given to the fact that a lot of these guys see it’s stacked against them, and they throw in the towel before they start. More of them have tried and tried, and quit bashing their heads against brick walls. A few are out there slaying pussy.

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  71. Spawny Get says:

    “I especially miss…”
    yeah, I have a compatible & comparable list.

    I’ve never disagreed with Rollo on anything that I remember. He talks sense, it’s good great stuff.

    <SNIP – new post to be scheduled after the one what I already drafted please Farm Boy >

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  72. […] redpillgirlnotes on The Manosphere Through Time — My Perceptions […]

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  73. Spawny Get says:

    Farm Boy,
    I don’t mind which day my two drafted posts go out, but please retain the order. The first one is more topical, I reckon
    (likee x 4 for ack)

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  74. Spawny Get says:

    “That’s nice. I want a capybara.”

    Me too, good eating, I’ve heard.

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  75. @ Deti, based on conversations I have had with both guys and girls who are just going into college, there seems to be an awareness of red pill thinking, even if they have not been exposed to it directly. The way they see relationships and the way I did when I was their age (20+ years ago, egads!) is completely different. Many don’t even want to commitment of calling someone a boyfriend/girlfriend much less marriage. Or they are dating and or living together for a long time before marriage, if they marry at all. With celebrities having kids more often minus marriage, I can see that may become the trend as well. Is all this good? I guess I am a traditionalist in many ways so in my mind it’s not, but maybe others feel it is better than the married with kids model, or at least under the current legal and social conditions?

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  76. Yoda says:

    Probably also include “male” they should

    Portland Community College has designated April “Whiteness History Month” (WHM), an “educational project” exploring how the “construct of whiteness” creates racial inequality.

    “‘Whiteness History Month: Context, Consequences, and Change’ is a multidisciplinary, district-wide, educational project examining race and racism through an exploration of the construction of whiteness, its origins, and heritage,” PCC states on its website. “Scheduled for the month of April 2016, the project seeks to inspire innovative and practical solutions to community issues and social problems that stem from racism.”

    http://www.campusreform.org/?ID=7174

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  77. Spawny, I think Rollo totally “gets it” as well, and I admire his writing. But when I have tried to comment there, even though I was agreeing 100% with what was being said, the commenters still seemed to feel like it was an invasion, so I want to respect that. I know there are far too few all male spaces, so I didn’t want to intrude. And I know even if I am 100% in agreement, and not trolling, just a woman in the room so to speak changes the dynamic. Rollo said women were welcome, but I still felt like the majority of his commenters really wanted a woman free zone so I just mostly steer clear because even if I go there thinking I won’t comment, I’ll read something and want to explore it further, but can’t, and it frustrates me. It’s really really hard for me to not comment, for some reason. 😛

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  78. Yoda says:

    Comment here RPG can.

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  79. Tarnished says:

    Me too, good eating, I’ve heard.

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  80. Spawny Get says:

    Very cool, Tarn. Very cool

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  81. Liz says:

    “With celebrities having kids more often minus marriage, I can see that may become the trend as well. Is all this good? I guess I am a traditionalist in many ways so in my mind it’s not, but maybe others feel it is better than the married with kids model, or at least under the current legal and social conditions?”

    That has been the trend for a while. Celebrities are leading by example in a sort of opposite of noblesse oblige.
    Note how well their children turn out, even when sheltered (via trust fund and raised by the best nannies money can buy) from many of the consequences of their bad decisions.
    No, it isn’t good. We have several close young male friends in the area. Mike goes fishing with them, and we kind of get a “beat” into the current millenial culture. One of them is pretty serious with a girlfriend right now, who says “they probably won’t ever have children” (they’re both in their late twenties, when Mike and I were parents). He says he has never dated a girl like her before, and considers her to be a “nice girl”. Usually, he explained, he dates women who are into really weird shit, like “I’m going to vomit on you now”. But she’s not like that.
    The line for “nice” now seems to be quite different from where it once was.

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  82. Tarnished says:

    Usually, he explained, he dates women who are into really weird shit, like “I’m going to vomit on you now”. But she’s not like that.

    Um. Wow.

    Okay.

    The bar for being considered “nice” is…lower than I expected. Apparently all one has to do is *not* have a regurgitation fetish or be a harpy? Damn.

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  83. Yoda says:

    Usually, he explained, he dates women who are into really weird shit, like “I’m going to vomit on you now”.

    Vomit at will they can?
    New skill-set these youngsters do have

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  84. Tarnished says:

    I Googled to see if this is a “thing”. It is.
    Save your eyesight, and do not search for anything related to vomit + fetish. I have sacrificed myself for you all.

    You’re welcome.

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  85. molly says:

    “women love the guy’s gym-body, but they require that it be effortless. They want a ripped boyfriend, but they don’t want him disappearing off to the gym when he should be doing the honey-do list and worshiping her arse?”

    I know men like that and it is in their genes. It’s very rare. They don’t grow on trees! Steel bodies yet no gym at all. They don’t make trouble yet they don’t back off, and they finish fights easy as easy is. Females’ pipe dream.

    Not “doing the honey-do list and worshiping her arse” tho. He will do it when he wants or not at all. Baby you nag him and someone else’s honey-do gonna get done lickety split 😉

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  86. Tarnished says:

    One of them is pretty serious with a girlfriend right now, who says “they probably won’t ever have children” (they’re both in their late twenties, when Mike and I were parents).

    Were they both latchkey children with much younger siblings?
    A lot of people who are currently late twenties to early thirties are really not looking into having kids because we already essentially raised our own siblings. Making bottles at night, getting them + yourself ready for school every morning, changing diapers, signing permission slips, preparing lunches, calling in at 5am to find out about snow days, helping with homework and essays and projects, etc, etc, etc. Some of us did it all.

    Don’t get me wrong. I didn’t usually mind caring for my brother and sisters while our parents were at work/out. It’s what family does (or should do).
    But the idea of doing it all again…for another 18+ years of our lives on top of the ones we already gave? It isn’t at the top of many lists, unfortunately.

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  87. SFC Ton says:

    Reddit Redpill faction (self improvement/make riches/fuck bitches)….. Deti

    Legit.

    also what folks said about being repetitive. One reason my blog is slow is its all starting to get repetitive.

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  88. SFC Ton says:

    Was it around here that someone pointed out that women love the guy’s gym-body, but they require that it be effortless. They want a ripped boyfriend, but they don’t want him disappearing off to the gym when he should be doing the honey-do list and worshiping her arse?….

    That was me Spawny. Break the blood vessels in your nose and gush blood like a fountain from squatting 725 pounds and chicks cannot get away from you fast enough

    Over head 275 pounds like its nothing and they fall over themselves to get near enough to be noticed

    One gym to train in; one gym to pull ass in

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  89. SFC Ton says:

    Rollo has a lot of guys there who are freshly wounded so I don’t think its the best place for women to post even if Rollo welcomes them. Sadly, Rollo is getting stale as well, which isn’t a slam on the man

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  90. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Spawny Get,
    I may have been the only one but, I watched that video that yuou linked. A lot of well meaning guys are subject to endless cruelty. Between that and Deti pointing out the ramifcations of the 810/20 rule, the supermajority of men are screwed. As for the top 20, they may as well toss in the towel too because they will be treated cruelly .

    As for the manosphere, learn game and become an “entertaining clown” can’t be the best solution out there.

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  91. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Tarn,
    I understand why Fluffle is shivering.

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  92. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    To confirm my assessment, this is measure of the worth of a man’s life.
    http://www.cotwa.info/2016/01/woman-who-plotted-her-third-child.html

    While society has weighed in, Bod is keeping quiet. It He did talk, I don’t think we would like what He’d have to say.

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  93. Liz says:

    Tarn: “Were they both latchkey children with much younger siblings?”

    I think they were both latchkey kids, but neither of them watched younger children. It wasn’t because they’re tired of raising kids, they just don’t want them. I think that’s getting to be more and more common. Time did a whole segment on the “Childfree Life”.

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  94. Farm Boy says:

    Adult capybaras grow to 106 to 134 cm (3.48 to 4.40 ft) in length, stand 50 to 62 cm (20 to 24 in) tall at the withers, and typically weigh 35 to 66 kg (77 to 146 lb), with an average in the Venezuelan llanos of 48.9 kg (108 lb). The top recorded weights are 91 kg (201 lb) for a wild female from Brazil and 73.5 kg (162 lb) for a wild male from Uruguay

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  95. Yoda says:

    Mostly it follows the Walsh prejudice that such a number doesn’t matter, because those guys are not attractive upper middle class guys.

    If motivated, become as such they might have

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  96. Yoda says:

    If I’m right, red pill is in the process of becoming mainstream

    Percolating it is.
    Difficult to repress such a good explanatory model it is.
    But try they will

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  97. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Yoda,
    I think that Susan Walsh is one of those people who looks to find reasoning to support her preformed conclusions.
    That these men chose to respond to social incentives is beneath her consideration. From her standpoint, men were created to serve women.

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  98. Yoda says:

    This, for me, is the interesting problem. Namely, constructing a new set of life objectives that are meaningful, inasmuch as “lift weights, make money, and fuck bitches” is about as challenging (and gratifying) as buying a Big Gulp at the 7-11.

    I wonder if modern women have similar problems they do

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  99. Yoda says:

    I think that Susan Walsh is one of those people who looks to find reasoning to support her preformed conclusions.

    That these men chose to respond to social incentives is beneath her consideration. From her standpoint, men were created to serve women.

    If so, then reason poorly she does

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  100. Yoda says:

    She is so thoroughly habituated to her postmodern “autonomy” (casually, “what I feel, what I want, is superior to any exterior reality — and that includes YOU!”)

    A new post touching on this coming up it is.

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  101. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Yoda,
    Reason doesn’t enter into it. It’s all about telling the HUSsies what they want to hear.
    I think that Molly would call this supporting groupthink.

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  102. molly says:

    One gym to train in; one gym to pull ass in; one gym* to rule them all
    *Jim or Ton or Cill or Tom or Sumo grrrr

    One 5 man army to rule them all YAY! YEAH! YO! 🙂

    I see them in Cologne in my mind. (pow crunch crunch)
    The Muslim horde getting the biff. I nearly feel sorry for them. YEAH RIGHT!

    Wish I could do it like the 5 man army
    CRUNCH!!! KA-POW!!! WOLLOP!!! BIFF!!!

    I would be scratch! bite! gouge!

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  103. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Molly! 🌯 🌯 🌯 🐻 🙄
    Don’t get into fights.

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  104. molly says:

    Fuzzie ( 🌯 🌯 🌯 🌯 ) I might have to. No Muslim problem in NZ yet except.. they are here.

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  105. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Molly,
    Chomp, burrito, chomp….burp. Thank you. Yum!
    As long as they are not creating their own neighborhoods, you should be Ok. Months ago, Terrence Popp had a briliant video about what could be worse than a zombie apocalypse. Underlying all of it was Islam and Dearborn, Michigan.

    Don’t be confused. Popp has no idea how the Roman Army was organized.

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  106. Spawny Get says:

    “As for the manosphere, learn game and become an “entertaining clown” can’t be the best solution out there.”

    ‘best solution’ is a highly subjective thing.

    Take the red pill. Add in your values, dreams and personal circumstances. And make your personal decision on how to proceed. I’ll wish you luck however you choose.

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  107. Spawny Get says:

    As there was no midnight post, I sneaked in a quickie. It’s just an overblown comment, so it’s fine if it has a short life…

    There is a new post

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  108. Spawny Get says:

    “The top recorded weights are 91 kg (201 lb) for a wild female from Brazil and 73.5 kg (162 lb) for a wild male from Uruguay”

    That’s just water retention, you sexist pig. How ungallant!

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  109. Spawny Get says:

    “I think that Susan Walsh is one of those people who looks to find reasoning to support her preformed conclusions.
    That these men chose to respond to social incentives is beneath her consideration. From her standpoint, men were created to serve women.”

    I enjoyed commenting there for quite a while. I found Susan to be fair and open to discussion. I think that the growing number of men finding the red pill lead to angry-phase-red-pill-men turning up and started souring the tone for her female audience / clientele. Many men (some here) told her that she would be wise to kick out the men. I’d rather have been flat out asked to leave, but the end was more discordant for the final guys (I left slightly earlier under my own steam).

    I wouldn’t be too quick to assign to Susan the woman all the personal attributes that you draw from the actions of Susan the business woman and blog owner. She did a business degree, after all. I think she agreed with us guys saying that men had to go, and she rolled the marketing dice. She took the blog in another direction. I haven’t visited in well over a year. Maybe a few times since the departure. I don’t have any views on the outcome. I knew Susan better than most here and I don’t hate her at all. I do wish things had worked out more smoothly at the time for all involved. That’s life.

    It’s very tricky to keep a healthy tone on a blog, I’m / we’re blessed with having a good bunch of people here. Thanks.

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  110. Sumo says:

    One gym to train in; one gym to pull ass in; one gym* to rule them all
    *Jim or Ton or Cill or Tom or Sumo grrrr

    Who’s Jim? Being grouped with those names, I can only assume that he’s a massively awesome individual.

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  111. Spawny Get says:

    lot of typos around here lately. I do better than most, but then I get to edit my comments to correct them.

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  112. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Spawny Get,
    Yes, I am angry.

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  113. Spawny Get says:

    “Yes, I am angry.”

    I’ve never had a problem with men being angry (or women). I completely understand why they’re angry.

    My only question is, ‘Is that anger helpful to you?’

    If you’re using it as motivation to become a captain of industry and collect da chickees. Or, push your personal best weight lifts. Or become an MRA and fight for legal justice. Or to redirect your finances in order for you to take a holiday of a lifetime (SW England FTW 😉 ) ?

    then fine.

    If it’s destroying your happiness, then I think it might be better to try and lose the anger. Better for you. I think that individual men need to learn to love themselves, value themselves. If part of that results in you helping men in general? I’m very happy. But it starts with you…and a few mates (of either persuasion) that can help you make your peace with yourself and reality (pretty much what this place is for BTW that and the occasional steam venting).

    But as I said above, I don’t require you to GYOW disassociating yourself from wimminz entirely. I’ll wish you luck on whatever path that you choose. Your choice predicated on what you need from life, factoring in what is possible. If you were lost to anger, you wouldn’t be here. You wouldn’t want to be here. You wouldn’t have fun with The Moll. Or chat with Bloom. Or play with the Unicorn.

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  114. molly says:

    “The Moll” wishes the Bear won’t be angry. Women are so stupid it makes him angry and people as stoopid as that are not worth getting angry about, eh. Feminists are dumb. Dumber than sheep.

    Who am I to preach tho. They make me angry too. 😄 What can I do. Here’s 🌯 #5 for the Bear.

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  115. Spawny Get says:

    I just vented some with the new post…just saying…about the new post

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  116. molly says:

    Sumo.

    Jim is strong as Samson e.g. Jim and my other cuzzies do 1-arm chin-ups for fun. Not many men big as Cill and Jim can do 1 arm chin ups. They hold onto a tree branch with 1 finger and pull themselves up till their chin reaches the branch. They do it on either arm and it’s like they can keep going as long as they like or till they stop for a beer. They do chimpanzee yells while they do the 1 arm chin-ups and they scratch their armpits with their free hands. I cling to their waists to hold them down, and they just pull me up as well.

    Eh? New post? Who said that. Unca S? I didn’t quite hear (heh heh)

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  117. I finally got a chance to watch the Terrance Pop video, really good observations re: the numbers of incarcerated males and the connection between that and the increases in fatherless ness. Maybe someone can explain, he kinda lost me when he shifted gears from the prison population to Dearborn, was he implying those two groups would combine forces, or oppose each other, or that they are two separate but equal threats? Definetly food for thought in any case, I was just confused exactly how the two tied together…

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  118. BuenaVista says:

    Deti, the Pew poll, as I recall, is both a survey and a self-reporting poll. As in, Are you married and if not do you plan to be?

    What I found remarkable (and a feminist blogger did not, because didn’t fit her worldview) was the 3-1 ratio of men opting out v. women. If retrospect, the women were just presaging AFBB/Open Hypergamy. (“Oh, definitely, I’ll get married after I have fun for a few years.”) Also remarkable: the study emerged from one of 10 liberal foundations that contribute 90% of liberal political cause donations. (The demon Kochs are nowhere to be found on that list, because their supposedly democracy-destroying foundation is too small.) And last, the feminist rejoinder that “who cares if a bunch of plumbers never marry, I’m joining the one percent when I get married, so that’s the only cohort that matters.”

    But back in DC, the men who fit the economic model for the girls, by the time they’re forty, are not signing up in sufficient numbers to pull some girl’s wagon. They’ve already been flayed by the divorce industry. And the girls are melting down.

    One I know, and like very much, has four months before she’s supposed to go back into the fire in south Asia. She’s a very, very tough woman in some ways, very reticent about her fears. She actually broke down and said, “I’m afraid …” in discussing this with me. I misunderstood her, thought she was talking about her safety. (She’s the reason I’m leery of seeing “13 Hours”) But no, she’s afraid (and it’s a reasoned, logical fear) that three more years overseas doing her thing means she will be over the hill from her dating/relationship perspective, and just be another high official who was always too busy to secure a relationship that she wants. We talked about that for a while. Then she had a tantrum.

    She’s smart, there’s a side of her that sees the red pill rising and casting a permanent shadow over her life, and it frightens her. No one prepared these prog females for what they are now experiencing. Three women I’ve seen in the past year are freaking out because they can’t pull a man into harness in the old fashion. One is mired in a dreary marriage with an UMC dolt, and believes she might as well be 70 years old, she feels so empty of hope, desire and joy. Another is re-dating a guy who is willing to move into her world and live off her; he’s a surreptitious drug addict, which she knows now. I get a couple of letters from her each month; cynically, I think she’s just testing my resolve that I’m putting my mission first, and it doesn’t include state marriage. The third is figuring out that her romantic options are about to be unattractive married men, the occasional GenXer with a mommy fetish, or drive-by liaisons with one of her contractor/bodyguards.

    Postmodern assumptions about relationships are, in truth, profoundly nihilistic. I do think some women are discovering the void (Nietzsche’s Abyss) that is the logical outcome of their lives’ relationship strategy. None of them prepared for a world in which they struggle to retire into the arms of a committed, protective man.

    Footnote: I live in a part of the country now where people don’t entertain. The more social of them have a country tavern where they hang. The couples that go out together fall into two categories: wife-dominant (happy wife, happy life plan) monogamy that seems reasonably stable; or monogamous, but unmarried, third-time around deals where the man is clearly the dominant partner and the woman is forced to accept his intransigence with respect to putting a ring on it. It’s just pretty mainstream, this red pill lifestyle, for the latter — though no one has ever heard of the red pill.

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  119. SFC Ton says:

    Taking the full Red Pill means understanding many men do not have what it takes to make UMC money. Among many, many other things. Yea I am dancing around the topic because IO wish to honor our host’s wishes

    As a side note to BV’s last comment… its no longer surprising how many girls will forgo the ring or even two way fidelity if the man’s SMP is high enough related to theirs ( and the side piece is truly on the side) What is surprising is how low ranked the male needs to be in relative terms, depending on the demographic group

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  120. BuenaVista says:

    O/T, but I think the Hillary shit is about to hit the fan. My friend cryptically texted me yesterday saying her trip to the SHOT Show (the super bowl of gun conventions) was cancelled at the last minute. She was supposed to go yesterday, and provide her National Defense University seminar on weapons some update on the state of the arms industry. (I know, sounds retarded.) She’s enmeshed in the Benghazi probe, so I conclude that either she’s someone the Clinton’s are about to throw over the side in an effort to deflect attention from HRC (the Clintons have a neat practice of destroying their subordinates lives to safe their own); or that she’s back in the legislative and FBI interview process, or both. Probably both. She described the process at the “manic frenzy” phase. It’s impossible that she didn’t receive illegal comms from State, so they could hang her if they choose to. 150 FBI agents are working the HRC case, so it’s impossible that they don’t know what was really going on out there. They’re hitting the HRC emails like sharks hitting chum.

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  121. Dragonfly says:

    Aw BV, why don’t you think about at least “long-terming” it with one of these women? I think if you found the right one, you’d have so much happiness!

    “She’s smart, there’s a side of her that sees the red pill rising and casting a permanent shadow over her life, and it frightens her. No one prepared these prog females for what they are now experiencing.”

    Why not this one?? She sounds fascinating and adventurous, especially with regard to her bravery – wow!

    And about the Hilary thing… oh I hope you’re right.

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  122. Dragonfly says:

    Recently from Hilary:

    “Hillary Clinton, the current front-runner for the Democratic Party, apparently believes when it comes to threats to our national security, “white terrorism” and police violence are just as threatening as international terrorist groups such as ISIS and other Islamic extremist movements.

    The statements came Monday evening during the Brown and Black Forum held in Des Moines Iowa as Clinton answered questions about domestic threats to citizen safety. During the forum, a moderator questioned Hillary from the standpoint of minorities in the country asking if “white terrorism” is an equal threat to the United States as groups like ISIS.”

    LOL… yea, my husband didn’t like being compared to ISIS, neither did most of his police friends.

    http://lawofficer.impry.com/2016/01/20/clinton-police-violence-and-white-extremists-are-as-big-of-a-threat-as-isis/

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  123. Yoda says:

    Apparently writing off the rural and much of the suburban vote Hillary is.
    Probably not an effective strategy this is

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  124. Liz says:

    I hope that is true about Hillary too. I know that if she were a man in the military she’d be at leavenworth breaking rocks now.

    “Apparently writing off the rural and much of the suburban vote Hillary is.
    Probably not an effective strategy this is”

    I sure hope you’re right. She probably figures she has enough of the minority and women votes to make up for it. Also, isn’t Obama making some sort of executive order so illegals can vote? That would make Texas a swing state. Hope that’s just a rumor.

    “Why not this one?? She sounds fascinating and adventurous, especially with regard to her bravery – wow!”
    Fascinating definitely. Adventurous, check.
    But from what BV has mentioned before, unfortunately, it sounds like she has as much of a relationship with sanity as Sjlbvdnzv has with vowels.

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  125. BuenaVista says:

    Ha-ha, Liz. Touche.

    To be dispassionate for a moment, I have this archaic enthusiasm for emotional consistency. And I will never give a divorce lawyer another dime, and that includes $ for a prenup.

    ***

    As to Hillary, if the government wants to suppress her arrest, the FBI in some fashion will leak the goods. Comey worked for two people I worked with for 9 years. They say he won’t bend to the politics.

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  126. thedeti says:

    Regarding Susan Walsh and HUS:

    It bears repeating and recalling that SW has always been geared toward a very narrow, specialized demographic: politically liberal, upper middle class and upper class non-black women, aged 18-30, college educated or in college, planning on a career, and living in urban areas.

    In other words, women who were her daughter 5 years ago; and women who were Susan Walsh 35 years ago.

    That’s who her blog is geared towards. Consequently, the trends that affect those women are the only ones that matter to her and are the only ones she sees. And what she sees are those women, generally, doing very well and marrying by age 35, to men who look quite a bit like them demographically (except for their gender). And most of those marriages succeed (as long as we define “success” as “not getting divorced”), because the divorce rate in the US right now is lowest for men and women where both parties are college educated, upper middle class and up, and married after age 27 or so.

    So to folks like SW, there are no real problems, because her clientele will statistically get married eventually. She views her job as getting her girls married off by age 40 with as few pump and dumps as possible. And she’ll likely do pretty well, mostly because this cohort of rich, liberal, white college girls from the coasts working in cubicle jobs in HR and PR do OK on their own finding men willing to marry them, as they always have from time immemorial.

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  127. Spawny Get says:

    “They say he won’t bend to the politics.”

    I hope they’re right. But the forces of justice don’t seem to have any sense of ‘urgency’.

    As I said, I hope they’re right. Looking from afar, if you can’t get her jailed then you have no justice system worthy of the name. Maybe I’m missing something, but I thought that sufficient facts have already been found for a conviction???

    Now I probably don’t need to say it around here, but I’m despairing of the UK Just Us system. Alleged paedo Janner died recently, over twenty years after the recent investigation said that sufficient evidence for a trial had been found.
    http://news.sky.com/story/1625568/three-missed-chances-to-prosecute-janner

    it stinks. it stinks of establishment cover up.

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  128. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    As for Hillary, she doesn’t need to go to jail, she needs to go away.

    I am still angry but, Spawny is right, I am sweet on the girls.

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  129. BuenaVista says:

    “Man UP!, you fellas, and become a groveling human selfie-stick for an attention-crazed wife.”

    Instagram Husbands of Washington DC:

    http://www.washingtonian.com/2016/01/15/the-real-instagram-husbands-of-washington-dc/

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  130. Liz says:

    LOL! That video was awesome BV.
    So true. Would Poe’s law apply here? Today’s jokes happen to also be realities.
    We were sitting at the coffee shop the other day with a friend, his eighteen year old niece, and two of her friends.
    They were on their phones of course, insta-whatevering. They said they were going to go to a “dayger”. I’d never heard of that, and they explained it’s a “day rager” (I had to actually bite my tongue…too many funny places to take that one and none of them situationally appropriate). Their plan was to photograph themselves at the dayger and then photoshop party hats on their heads and use social media to claim it was a birthday party. It was a social media joke, see…friends would think they weren’t invited to the birthday party, but then they’d find out it was all a joke. Tee hee.
    It struck me that these are technically adult women. They can vote. They could enter military service and carry a weapon.

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  131. Yoda says:

    The topics in last two comments obliquely addressed in the next two scheduled posts they are

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  132. BuenaVista says:

    MEGHAN MURPHY, FOUNDER AND EDITOR OF FEMINIST CURRENT, IS A FREELANCE WRITER AND JOURNALIST. SHE COMPLETED A MASTERS DEGREE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF GENDER, SEXUALITY AND WOMEN’S STUDIES AT SIMON FRASER UNIVERSITY IN 2012 AND LIVES IN VANCOUVER, B.C. WITH HER DOG.

    It’s easy to laugh at this stuff. Then consider that a kid was thrown out of Amherst because a) he got drunk and passed out; b) a girl gave him a blowjob while he was passed out; c) she bragged about it to her friends; d) she decided to charge him with sexual assault.

    A Curfew for Men. That’s right. Men confined to their homes after dark.

    Blah blah blah then “After a designated period of time, we’ll allow them back on the streets after dark to see how it goes.”

    http://www.feministcurrent.com/2016/01/07/its-time-to-consider-a-curfew-for-men/

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  133. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Buena Vista,
    I read that. That post should be reprinted to the point where it is unavoidable. That is feminism in it’s essence.What gets to me is that htese dingbats have the ear of government.

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  134. Yoda says:

    Imagine curfew for blacks if you will.
    Imagine curfew for Muslims if you can

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  135. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Yoda,
    It would never happen. The American Civil Liberties Union would be all over it like white on rice.

    I am still in shock at the depth of the hubris from this writer.

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  136. ballista74 says:

    Interesting post and reading in this thread. I can’t really say too much at this point how I ended up in this corner of the Internet since it’s been quite a while. Some kind of research or the like. As far as evolution goes, most can follow that through my blog due to the absences and comments and such.

    Given that, there’s been a number of huge frustrations over that time, some echoed here and others not. Main of which is just that everything *else* has been going on that distracts me from reading as much and writing as much as I would like, especially finishing my set of “True Feminism” posts. But there’s other things too, like all the feminism I’ve noticed in the so-called “Red Pill” circles (that’s why I put it in quotes, scant few even in the manosphere are true anti-feminists and really are just as Blue Pill as Blue Pill can be), and the silly doctrines that come out of these “Red Pill” circles that fall when subjected to a fuller scrutiny. Quotes from random people in this thread here on out:

    I don’t see the manosphere dying off anytime soon, and the current lack of newer guys is probably due to them not knowing about it.

    Most of the influx of newer people are in the MGTOW realms on venues outside of blogs. They have either been introduced to those directly or have briefly seen the PUA venues and things like AVFM, Dalrock, and Rollo, and seen them for what they are (directly or indirectly female-controlled or influenced) and rejected them. The value (and original idea) of the manosphere was always the idea of having a comfortable male space, and frankly put, most of the “older” ones either never were in the first place or have been taken over by females (AVFM being a particularly pernicious example of female control). So those men seeking them out simply reject them in favor of others that aren’t controlled or influenced by women in some way.

    many places offer to solution or hope to much infighting with PUA, MGTOW’s and semi Red Pill Trad Cons fighting for control its pretty much out of new info or solutions many of the so called leading voices are whinny bitter betas which turns men and women off most in the manosphere refuse to take the Red Pill to its logical conclusion and there fore willnot/ cannot address major issues

    This is pretty much it. So much of it has turned into infighting and cannibalism – so much of what happens is either view directed or money directed. Then the people involved reveal themselves for who they are. Ultimately, I’ve found so much of the “Red Pill” to be whiny gammas trying to justify themselves and their existences by ginning up those silly doctrines as general conspiracy theories. Then ultimately there are no serious examinations of those things, and given that the leading voices without any understanding whatsoever are offering others a way to game a system they don’t understand themselves, they draw in others that simply want to fulfill their old “Blue Pill” delusions. So ultimately, the whole enterprise ends up being Blue Pill.

    to sum it up most writers are idealist pussies who want some perfect combination of half measures that will not work and most men understand at a gut level they will not work.

    They pretend to be anti-feminist but incompletely define feminism (i.e. refuse to see the driving forces behind it), so in the end support it. In essence, there are scant few true anti-feminists and the others claiming to be are really anti-feminist feminists still supporting and championing feminism. In other words, they oppose feminism yet want to freely and actively participate in it. So you get this:

    One, after a certain point, the red pill framework is so plausible and explanatory, it’s just boring to write another reiteration of what everyone knows.

    the commenters are so predictable and rote — red pill or christian red pill, respectively) that I find it as annoying as listening to media interviews with dipshit “likely voters.”

    Something questioned so little, and then sycophants on top of it. But this is a rule of all media, blogs included. People want to read what they want to hear and not anything even approaching the truth if it offends their delicate sensibilities. It gets repetitive. Mind-numbingly so, and I’ve noted this several times on my own blog. Given that my blog is not so much manosphere as a Christian blog dedicated to wiping tradition aside and allowing people to see the true Christian faith and acknowledging the problems therein, there’s a lot to say and a lot to analyze. Much of that is indeed feminism. But I’ve never been from the beginning about writing to the feminist (or manospherian “Red Pill”) party line, so it’s not very popular. Dealing with the truth never is, especially if you define feminism completely for what it is and oppose it completely. But even then, it’s hard after so many years to not repeat yourself some. Or get frustrated when you see the duplicity involved in most of the manosphere these days – coupled with the repetition is why I’ve withdrawn from commenting in a lot of places (though I read, I have two or three good topics in line). That’s one thing that’s delayed a lot of post topics besides time and energy: To deal with some topics (true feminism, Red Pills about the church, etc) might as well be as if you’re talking to the wall, especially if you start blowing up some of those sacred cows of the “Red Pill” that the sycophants keep repeating.

    But in the end, I don’t think it will matter all that much. The thirst is real, these guys want to get laid, and at the end of the day they will do what it takes to get pussy, and most of them will wife it up if that is what it will take.

    Of course, they are fully deceived in the thought that they are the ones “leading” the family, usually by championing “traditional gender roles” and advocating for “Biblical marriage”, but then that’s a very common facet of the full expression of feminism. That they both oppose and support feminism at the same time in their words, actions, and writings is something they are incapable of seeing, and fully requires quite a cognitive dissonance in order to do so. Even more broadly, something I’ve found is that men by-and-large simply like and even crave female domination, and will do anything possible in order to obtain it in their lives.

    I’ve said it many times: A problem inadequately defined is a problem that can never be solved. Feminism is a quite proper example of such a thing.

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