Educate or Die


Recently US Presidential Candidate Bernie Sanders has suggested that either people educate themselves beyond the basic high school education, or they will end up in prison.  Perhaps that was a bit of an overstatement. Specifically, he said

This is just the latest in a decades long push to push people through the higher education system.  And the result of that is not pretty.

Let us start at the beginning.  In the 1970’s, the US Supreme Court ruled in Griggs vs Duke Power, that what are essentially IQ tests could not be a condition for employment; any test assessed must be highly specific to the position under consideration.  So what could employers use as a surrogate to IQ style tests?  Using a University education for this was the result.  The potential employer provided this education himself, at no cost to the employer.  Furthermore, it shows not just intelligence, but general industriousness. A reasonably good surrogate indeed.

At the time, Universities were still Universities.  They had a lefty bent, but the old guard was still there; and they still taught critical thought.  And getting a degree was not necessarily easy.  But all of the thinking required was hard, and lots of the subjects were dry and not much fun.  Furthermore, the subjects taught did not allow students to feel good about themselves.  Developing intellectual capability is all fine and dandy (though lots of work), but it did not easily lend itself to students showing off their awesomeness; as real intellectual capability would not necessarily impress the people that they wanted to impress (and would come off as show-offy).

Another problem was that women were starting to enter the Universities in large numbers.  And they are really not so interested in STEM and the like.  Or even Classical Philosophy.  What to do with all of these women?  Well, one could expand the social work, psychology, and sociology departments.  But one could do more.

Why not develop something that solves the above two issues?  This, the Universities did; with the flowering of grievance studies being the result.  So here were subjects that required little real intellectual work, and basically spoon fed them with a notion of superiority for gobbling the subject up.  The Universities are happy, the Cultural Marxists are happy, the students are happy; what is not to like.  We will soon get to that.

But wait, there is more.  Women like to operate in classroom in terms of what might be called girl style learning.  That is, they like to memorize stuff and regurgitate it dutifully.  Out with critical thinking, in with memorization.

Now let us return to the beginning.  The biggest push in the US toward college was Griggs vs. Duke Power; where once again, the degree was an indicator of intelligence and industriousness.  With the degrees obtained by lots of women (and lots of men also), does this still apply?

To answer the question, probably it does somewhat still apply to STEM degrees.  In doing work in the actual STEM fields themselves, intelligence talks and BS walks.  And to do STEM right, critical thinking is required.  To caveat this, the push toward people obtaining STEM degrees has diluted present day education; where even STEM fields have started emphasizing memorize and regurgitate, as this is what marginal students really want (and the Universities don’t want to lose their money by flunking them).

So where does this leave us?  Probably such that anybody with a non STEM degree came out of the University effectively dumber than when they went in.  Of course that is an over-generalization, but by how much?

 

Note that in this case STEM is effectively generalized to include vocations such as nursing, HVAC, welding, etc.   For non-americans, vocational style degrees are often offered at two year colleges.

 

 

 

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62 comments on “Educate or Die
  1. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Something tlls me that employers will need to find a new reference. After what went down at Missouri Uninversity not so long age, the reputation of brick and motar colleges is out the window. Let us also consider the hostile enviornment for men. For example, Univ. of Va. in the wake of the Rolling Stone article and the adventures of Mattress Girl at Columbia.
    The hits just keep coming.

    The is also the matter of sudent loan debt. That is not a small consideration.

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  2. SFC Ton says:

    I see college as an unintellgent test. It is for really smart guys who will do shit with math or dumbasses who want to rack up a fuckton of debt for no good reason though Farm Boy is fairly correct about employers using college as an IQ test of sorts

    also the left wants kids to go to college for a few reasons not the least of which is indoctrination and debt slavery to the govt

    Am I the only one who remembers like old school leftist? you know the kind that was anti immigration because it hurt the working poor, wanted a robust economy because it put people to work, thought working class people should have firearms because the govt was untrustworthy etc

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  3. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    I just got through watching this and the majority of what he had to say was about higher education. Farm Boy has already linked to a lot of this.

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  4. Liz says:

    I’ve noticed a trend toward requiring certifications for things that were once on the job training. For example, phlebotomy in the lab was once totally on the job training. That’s how I learned it.
    Last job I worked with a nursing assistant who was very excited to have just received her certification in phlebotomy. It cost her something like 3,000 dollars, but now she could apply to a hospital (not very high paying work in general, phlebotomy…starts at minimum wage I think). I asked her how many people she’d “stuck” and she told me she hadn’t drawn any blood yet. Things that make ya go hm….
    But the marriage between the government and education and banks (a threesome!) makes it in their collective interest to soak the taxpayers and transfer wealth by requiring certifications for anything and everything. They can claim it’s in “everyone’s best interest”. Who doesn’t want a trained and certified medical worker? Anyone who would object doesn’t care about safety! Or patients!
    And so on.
    Gives me a headache to think about. 😦

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  5. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Froggie helmet won’t help with that. 😦
    So, three grand is going somewhere. Did anyone think to ask how someone making minimum wage is going to repay it?
    I think this is the second part that Captain Capitalism has brought to light. All these certifacations, most of them unnecessary, all to limit the pool of applicants. All the applicants are doing is jumping through hoops for their future employers.

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  6. JDG says:

    If they don’t give degrees for sammich making, then we need to get the wymins out of the colleges. They’ll thank us later.

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  7. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    JDG,
    I have to wonder at the resentment that is brought up when a sandwich is requested. It’s not like girls don’t get hungry too.
    They may not give degrees in sandwich making but, no doubt, there are certifications.

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  8. Yoda says:

    Many certifications “barriers to entry” they are meant to be.
    Not necessarily for safety or such as sold they are.

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  9. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Yoda,
    It would seem that in a less than stellar job market, employers can ask for all manner of certifications and education.

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  10. Liz says:

    “It would seem that in a less than stellar job market, employers can ask for all manner of certifications and education.”

    That and the government makes it a requirement, which creates a market. The more required certifications, the larger the market.
    It’s a way of combining Capitalism with Marxism.

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  11. Liz says:

    Those hospital diploma programs for MTs, nurses, nurses aides and so forth were gold back in the day. They don’t exist anymore, for the most part. They stopped being cost effective with the increasing regulations. Now they have nurses and aides and MTs hitting the floor who haven’t had much if any time with actual patients (or lab), just filled squares in the classroom. The hospital still has to train them but they can’t capitalize on the cheap labor for work experience and training, as they once did. Now they much pay a premium to untrained workers while they train them and they’re practically useless….plus demand the college degree/testing and so forth that the government regulations require.

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  12. SFC Ton says:

    I was told law suits are also driving the deal with nurses being required to get 4 year degrees vs 2

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  13. Liz says:

    “I was told law suits are also driving the deal with nurses being required to get 4 year degrees vs 2”

    It might be an advantage for RN versus LPN hires (hospitals don’t hire LPNs so much anymore). I’m not sure there’s a litigation advantage to a 4 year RN over a 2 year RN though (they have to do the same clinicals and tests, the schools and government just get more money out of the 4 year RNs).
    We had a phenomenal instructor back in nursing school. She was probably late 60s, and had seen everything, had a thousand real life experiences to draw from and offer advice about. She wasn’t so strong anymore and had back issues, so she couldn’t work on the floor but wow was she a great instructor. She ended up getting canned my last semester due to new regulations (she needed a higher level degree). That was a serious loss for everyone.

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  14. Yoda says:

    Probably such that anybody with a non STEM degree came out of the University effectively dumber than when they went in. Of course that is an over-generalization, but by how much?

    Recently a study done it was.
    Captured how much better at critical thinking after fours years of University it did.
    On average, no improvement there would be.
    Assuming that STEM students their critical thinking ability did improve,
    then probably non-STEM students ability probably did decrease.

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  15. Yoda says:

    Wonder if when employers see “studies degree” they do,
    Into the “circular file” it does go

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  16. Yoda says:

    Wonder if due to “affirmative action” it would be,
    Women feel that any old degree will do

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  17. JDG says:

    I’m not sure there’s a litigation advantage to a 4 year RN over a 2 year RN though (they have to do the same clinicals and tests, the schools and government just get more money out of the 4 year RNs).

    Something is going on because over the last nine years I have seen a huge reduction in LPNs at the local hospital.

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  18. Liz says:

    “Something is going on because over the last nine years I have seen a huge reduction in LPNs at the local hospital.”

    Definitely. About the only place an LPN can work now is in the nursing homes, and the pressure is on to hire more RNs there, too. But conditions are often so bad RNs don’t want to work there. Not for long anyway, since they have options.

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  19. Yoda says:

    What education a person these days they should obtain.

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  20. Yoda says:

    Speaking of Bernie Sanders,

    http://www.menwhobern.com

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  21. Spawny Get says:

    “What education a person these days they should obtain.”

    Just an opinion, but…before considering a victim studies or sociology or any other soft soap, one should know:
    1) arse vs elbow compare and contrast know the frigging difference
    2) shit vs shinola – staggeringly different, yes really
    3) how to value your worthless opinions objectively
    4) your lived experiences and how nobody else should have to hear about them, let alone care

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  22. Spawny Get says:

    Just in from France (I still get junk mail), words to live by
    ‘Il est encore temps de faire plaisir’

    It’s once again time to make pleasure…

    Which reminds me

    also

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  23. Yoda says:

    how to value your worthless opinions objectively

    Settle for just this I would

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  24. Yoda says:

    News that use you can,

    The goal is that participants will “at least know the difference between right and wrong,” said Nina Machibya, the Sandnes center’s manager.

    A course manual sets out a simple rule that all asylum seekers need to learn and follow: “To force someone into sex is not permitted in Norway, even when you are married to that person.”

    http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/12/20/world/europe/norway-offers-migrants-a-lesson-in-how-to-treat-women.html

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  25. Yoda says:

    Perhaps not so popular these ideas are,

    A new scientific poll sanctioned by Young America’s Foundation and conducted by Inc./Woman Trend shows the majority of college students reject the “microaggression,” politically correct culture plaguing campuses around the country. Specifically, the poll shows college students rejecting the use of gender pronouns.

    Sixty two percent of students disagreed that professors should have the right to downgrade students for failing to use “gender inclusive” language like “mankind” instead of “humankind” in reference to men and women.
    Not even half (49%) of LIBERAL students agree with implementing the use of pronouns like “ze,” “zir,” and “xyr” on their campus.
    The data also shows a rejection of Black Lives Matter.

    Nearly 7-in-10 students agreed that “given recent acts of violence against police officers, the Black Lives Matter movement has cultivated an anti-police culture.”

    http://m.townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2015/12/18/new-poll-shows-college-students-reject-absurd-microagressions-black-lives-matter-n2094885

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  26. Yoda says:

    Full of shit this is,

    http://www.m.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/news/20151209/diy-fecal-transplant

    Hallie found relief from 7 years of unrelenting stomach pain at the bottom of her 3-year nephew’s groggy potty

    She took his stool out of the training toilet, “mushed it up” with some saline solution in a plastic baggie and then squirted it into her rectum using an empty enema bottle.

    “People say, ‘Didn’t it gross you out?’ And I would say no. This was like gold to me,” says Hallie, age 40, who lives in California. She asked us not to use her full name to protect her family members.

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  27. SFC Ton says:

    I was told that by a hospital administrator; right before…. people from new york should be drown in the nearest toilet. Damn do I hate those people. Got to be the second worst group of humanity breathing. Fuckers almost ruined my steak with their jabbering and what not.

    Thinking is, most hospital deaths are caused by RN’s issuing out bad meds so it will help them defend themselves in court. Not saying it will play out that way

    Technically nurses can get hired with an AA but that happens rarely and when it does they are on a time crunch to get a bachelors or get fired

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  28. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    SFC Ton,
    I would have thought tht feminists would have given up knocking sexbots because it is too embarradding. I think that lots of effort should go into developing sexbots that make sandwiches.
    It is hard to believe the gall in these peoplle. Givve their men lots of sex before marriiage but., once committent is locked down, let it dwindle down to nothing. Then scream “adultury” if he so much as glances at porn.
    Maybe that leads to the inforwars link.

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  29. JDG says:

    I think that lots of effort should go into developing sexbots that make sandwiches.

    Making sammiches is something that women need to do. It’s therapy to fight hamsteritis.

    Question: If the bots do learn how to make sammiches, will married women insist that their husband by bots for kitchen duties otherwise done by the woman? Of course this question would only applies to western women that actually have seen the inside of a kitchen.

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  30. JDG says:

    Oops! Of course this question would only applies should be: Of course this question only applies …

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  31. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    JDG,
    Wifey want s Hubby to buy a sexbot to cook? I am laughing. 😉

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  32. JDG says:

    Fuzzie it wouldn’t surprise me if they did. Of course it wouldn’t surprise if they didn’t either. I don’t know if there is much left that western women can do to surprise me.

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  33. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    JDG,
    I what would happen would be that Hubby buys the bot and Wifey talks the bot into holding out on sandwiches and sex for Hubby while Wifey is eating gourmet meals.

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  34. JDG says:

    Fuzzie that also wouldn’t surprise me. In fact it wouldn’t surprise me if many a bot controlling wife expected the man to do the dishes even after the bot did the cooking.

    I pity the fool that does the dishes for his woman. It’s a lose lose situation.

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  35. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Hubby doesn’t get any sandwiches.
    Hubby doesn’t get any sex.
    Hubby has to do dishes???

    Hubby is leaving.

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  36. I could say a lot about this subject, but it will have to wait. In short I believe my degree was worth it. I wanted to be a writer all my life so I got a degree in English and professional writing, and earned a good living as a writer, editor, and newspaper reporter for 15+ years. Much of that self employed and from home. I paid for college w a combo of veteran survivor bennies (from my dad), part time job, grants, and last resort loans. (While others took extra and bought cars, went on vacations, etc.) At the end I owed 15k which I paid off early by making double payments. I graduated with highest honors, deans list the whole way. I think having to work for it and pay for it (although I also had help) made me take it more seriously vs others who had the full parental ride and squandered it partying and skipping classes.

    I graduated in a recession and while others complained there were no jobs I left no stone unturned and found work in my choosen field. In college I saw firsthand that if you apply yourself even halfway you are ahead of 80% of the pack. Most of the battle is won just getting up and showing up and not giving up. Those lessons have served me well.

    And yes trade school may be the better route for many. Education is an investment as much as a personal pursuit. Good strategy pays. A gal I know w a 2 year degree in dental hygiene had three job offers at 60k plus waiting when she graduated. Compare that to the employment options of a PhD in philosophy… Not to mention cost.

    All that said if I could do it over again I would not have made education and career my false idols as I paid for that in my personal life for sure. Beware.

    I could go on but it’s late and I am on vacation w the Bloomettes so more later! 🙂

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  37. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Bloom,
    Good to hear from you.

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  38. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Spawny Get,
    Here is a link to the second three hour Rantzerker about Reggie Yates. There will be a third and it may happen this morning.

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  39. Spawny Get says:

    Thanks Fuzzie, I’m about to start some flooring, Something to listen to, as I joyfully lay laminate, is welcome

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  40. Yoda says:

    The Campaign Against Sex Robots raises red flag for violence and victimization, calls for standards in sexbots

    “Standards” just barriers to entry they are

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  41. Yoda says:

    Odd I must be.
    Because not I do.

    Hillary Clinton said everybody should like her

    https://pjmedia.com/election/2015/12/21/hillary-everybody-should-love-me

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  42. Yoda says:

    E nvironmentalists are increasingly claiming that global warming is a “women’s issue” and that the world needs “eco-feminism” as a path forward.

    Think this not I do.

    http://dailycaller.com/2015/12/21/global-warming-is-now-a-womens-issue-due-to-ecofeminism/#ixzz3v1ocL4rJ

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  43. SFC Ton says:

    people should look at college as votec, a means to an end and not an end to itself

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  44. Yoda says:

    people should look at college as votec, a means to an end and not an end to itself

    Should look at it as an opportunity for true personal growth they should.
    As a marker for superiority they should considered it not.

    An example of “fake personal growth” a “studies degree” it would be

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  45. Yoda says:

    To translate “votec” means “vocational education” it does.
    Yoda did votec in high school he did.
    TV repair it was.
    Diagnostic skills he did learn.
    Good training for a future Jedi it was

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  46. SFC Ton says:

    TV repair? Damn you really are like 900 years old

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  47. molly says:

    Off to work I go for the last time !
    On my bike ghrowl rumble thunder r–r-r-r-ROAR (sonic BOOM)
    tally ho!!!

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  48. molly says:

    F-U-Z-Z-E-E-E-E-E-E!!!!
    trail of.. 🌯 🌯 🌯 🌯
    It’s Xmas time! :0 🙂 🙂 Where are yA bear? 🐻

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  49. molly says:

    I’M MARRIED!!!!
    WITH 2 KIDS ALREADY (TWINS)

    (not really (heh heh). Did it get y attention tho?
    It’s Xmas time tho! YAY JOY!! cmon
    Lol

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  50. molly says:

    Cook up a feast bad Sumo!!
    Where are YOU??

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  51. molly says:

    Gotta go, ‘bye

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  52. Yoda says:

    Evil the University Administrators are,

    In a new NBER paper, “Accounting for the Rise in College Tuition,” Grey Gordon and Aaron Hedlund create a sophisticated model of the college market and find that a large fraction of the increase in tuition can be explained by increases in subsidies.

    With all factors present, net tuition increases from $6,100 to $12,559. As column 4 demonstrates, the demand shocks — which consist mostly of changes in financial aid — account for the lion’s share of the higher tuition.

    Specifically, with demand shocks alone, equilibrium tuition rises by 102%, almost fully matching the 106% from the benchmark. By contrast, with all factors present except the demand shocks (column 7), net tuition only rises by 16%.

    These results accord strongly with the Bennett hypothesis, which asserts that colleges respond to expansions of financial aid by increasing tuition.

    Remarkably, so much of the subsidy is translated into higher tuition that enrollment doesn’t increase! What does happen is that students take on more debt, which many of them can’t pay.

    In fact, the tuition response completely crowds out any additional enrollment that the financial aid expansion would otherwise induce, resulting instead in an enrollment decline from 33% to 27% in the new equilibrium with only demand shocks. Furthermore, the students who do enroll take out $6,876 in loans compared to $4,663 in the initial steady state….Lastly, the model predicts that demand shocks in isolation generate a surge in the default rate from 17% to 32%. Essentially, demand shocks lead to higher college costs and more debt, and in the absence of higher labor market returns, more loan default inevitably occurs.

    http://fee.org/anythingpeaceful/student-loan-subsidies-cause-almost-all-of-the-increase-in-tuition/

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  53. Yoda says:

    Result of University stupidity this is,

    http://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/in-the-know/263965-infamous-vlogger-glozell-interviews-hillary-clinton

    One reporter noted on Twitter that Green, a Los Angeles comedian, is the only person to have done sit-down interviews with both President Obama and Clinton in 2015.

    Green is known for stunts like eating cereal out of a bathtub of milk that she was bathing in. Her latest YouTube video has her performing “The Condom Challenge.”
    In her interview with Obama, Green pressed Obama on his Cuba policy, saying that Fidel Castro “puts the d–k in dictatorship.”

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  54. SFC Ton says:

    I pulled out three geese to thaw for super come Christmas.

    That and some moonshine will be my soul contribution to the feast

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  55. Yoda says:

    A new post there is.
    My grandfather ran moonshine he did

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  56. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Molly!
    I have missed you! 🌯 🌯 🌯 🐻 🙄

    Yoda,
    That is wicked. Throw in a mountain of finacial aid, and all it do is double the costs without adding students. Now, more of them will default?
    Who dreamed this up?

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  57. Sumo says:

    Cook up a feast bad Sumo!!
    Where are YOU??

    Sorry, wee Molls, been busy. My friends’ restaurant opened last Tuesday, and we’ve been slammed ever since. Apparently, we’re the new “hot spot” in town. Around 2000 bowls of ramen in 7 days. Pure insanity.

    I have to say, though, that I doubt your boytoy would appreciate the fact that you’re sitting around worrying about little ol’ me. 😉

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  58. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Sumo,
    It’s good to hear. Much sucess to you and your friend. I think that Molly was trying to say that she missed you.
    Cill has been very busy too. Some mysterious project in his new home.

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