Ho, ho, ho! Bah, Humbug!


I do not claim to be a Christian. I thus don’t have much invested in the Christian festival of Christmas. In fact, there isn’t much of the original Christmas remaining in the modern observance of the secular Mammonist materialism which aligns with the date of the Christian festival. This can be readily seen in the behavior of those who DO claim to be Christians.

In one particular case, Texas Agriculture Commissioner Sid Miller openly declared how much unlike the man he claims to follow he is: “If one more person says Happy Holidays to me I just might slap them.”

I’m sure this allegedly Bible-reading hypocrite never gets to the New Testament, where Jesus tells Peter to sheathe his sword in the face of a physical threat. (John 18:11) Any person Mr. Miller might strike under such “stand your ground” religiosity -assuming the strikee isn’t an Open Carrier willing to retaliate with escalating defensive force by using the Smith & Wesson .40 strapped to his Wranglers- is advised by Jesus, “If someone slaps you on one cheek, turn to them the other also.” (Luke 6:29)

Mohandas K Gandhi had this to say about this situation in general:

Non-violence is the article of faith. Intolerance betrays want of faith in one’s cause. A coward is incapable of exhibiting love; it is the prerogative of the brave.

The gentle figure of Christ, so full of forgiveness that he taught his followers not to retaliate when abused or struck, but to turn the other cheek – I thought it was a beautiful example of the perfect man. Jesus is ideal and wonderful, but you Christians – you are not like him.

What would Jesus say to Texas Agriculture Commissioner Sid Miller if the latter had struck the former over a celebratory greeting which Mr. Miller may not approve of? “If I said something wrong, testify as to what is wrong. But if I spoke the truth, why did you strike me?”

If instead of Jesus, if the target of Miller’s holiday rebuke had been packing heat, the coroner would get the final word: Justifiable Self-defense – but only if the shooter was Caucasian.

History is replete with “christians” waging wars over differing beliefs of the other various sects of “christians”. I’m sure that each side in each conflict believed that their version of god was on their side.

As commerce and travel expanded access to the entire world, conflicts between religions thus became the norm – outside of the Crusades, that is. Those had been going on for centuries before navigators proved that the world was finite, triggering the colonial period of world history and fomenting more conflict between belief systems.

Too many dominionists (those who claim to be Christians but seek -just like ISIL- to force the world to convert to a set of beliefs which only they righteously hold) don’t seem to care that the majority of the world isn’t interested in their Old Testament religion.

As the world is increasingly becoming dominated by commerce, it is generally a rule that one seeking business opportunities must show respect for the local beliefs and customs if one truly desires success. In some nations (particularly those of dominating fundamentalist religions), violating such local beliefs and customs can prove to be dangerous. US State Dept. Travel Warnings are but the beginning of things merchantilists need to understand when they venture abroad in search of profits. Your patent rights have better protections than you as a human can expect.

So if Texas Agriculture Commissioner Sid Miller was to travel to, say, Kuwait (AS IF!) to promote the sale of Texan produce, and someone there wished him Happy Holidays, would physical assault ensue? Why do I suspect not?

I really doubt that Jesus wanted the world to become an even more violent and deadly place than it was in his time. I’m sure he wouldn’t be pleased that those who claim to follow his teachings are the major cause of the current environment of death and destruction facing many. He also wouldn’t be pleased by those whose taste for gold supersedes their basic humanity to the point where few remember the contents of Matthew 25:31-46 in their daily activities.

One would think that those who believe Bronze Age mythology, and are expected to model their life’s behaviors on its precepts, would actually do so. They wouldn’t want to miss out on the Eternal Christmas if they didn’t pass the open book tests.

Advertisements
Tagged with: ,
Posted in Blurkel, economy
72 comments on “Ho, ho, ho! Bah, Humbug!
  1. Spawny Get says:

    My dad, who was born soon after the start of WWII really loved Christmas. I really wish I’d asked why. To me it feels like the commercial world is out to drown me in sentimentality and nick my corpse’s wallet. I strongly disliked it until I had my own pad, now xmas means a few good movies on the telly, I can handle that

    Being in the UK I have the luxury of being an atheist not much worried by Christianity.

    There’s something called ‘Christian atheism’. Amusingly (to me) in UK this is seen as a positive thing (Christian values without the sky daddy thing), in the US it’s seen as a negative thing (basically Churchianity, virtue signalling devoid of actual belief or values(?)).

    Liked by 1 person

  2. Tarnished says:

    I was about to post that clapping/applause gif I typically use, but then realized it wasn’t good enough. I’d have to post 20 of ’em to really show how much I like this post.

    As a non-Christian who was raised in houses where there were practioners of Catholicism, Fundamentalism, Lutheran, and Jehovah Witness…I’ve seen a lot of Christianity. My brother and sisters are still Catholic, my mom is Dianic Wiccan and I’m a Deist Pagan. My love is Episcopalian, though he’s upset because he’s questioning his faith recently. I grew up in a Jewish household with my grandmothers til age 7, and lived in a neighborhood with Christian, Hindu, and Jewish families who all got along well during the block picnics/get togethers. If people could just remember the Golden Rule, despite whatever belief system they hold, I think we’d all be better off.

    Liked by 4 people

  3. Tarnished says:

    “If one more person says Happy Holidays to me I just might slap them.”

    I still cannot understand why this is so “offensive” to the poor dears. It’s being inclusive of all the numerous winter holidays and festivities, not denying the existence of any of them.

    Seems like a case of wanting to be the most specialist snowflake, honestly.

    Liked by 1 person

  4. Tarnished says:

    Also, good to see you back again, brother Blurkel. 👍

    Liked by 4 people

  5. SFC Ton says:

    Christ tells us to sell our second coat and buy a sword, that He did not come to bring peace but to set son agisnt father etc and when He returns he will be tatted up with names written on Him and His voice will kill.

    This Christ as some longhairedpeacelovinghippiepinkofag thing is not Biblical

    When I was a kid, Christmas was not the commercial event is now and I loved it. I still do but we don’t do much of the gift thing. Family gifts of food etc vs everyone getting something grand and racking up debt (debt is also not Biblically sanctioned )

    I too hate happy holidays: we aren’t celebrating some traditional african holiday made up in the 70’s etc thing but the birth of Christ. Trying to craft the other stuff on to celebrating Christ birth should earn you a punch in the face and would in a sane society. these other groups we are supposed to include didn’t do fuck to build the West as it is now.

    Lets face it, happy holidays is a stab at traditional Western/ Christian events/ culture as is everything the left does. Diversity is not about inclusion but an attempt to drive out traditional people and ways. Your cult is your culture, without one you don’t have the other.

    Liked by 2 people

  6. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    I am still trying to recover from blurkel’s link to Black Friday Disasters. With people getting trampled, who wants to work in retail?

    What worries me the most about Christmas is how it affects the lonely.

    Liked by 1 person

  7. Tarnished says:

    Lets face it, happy holidays is a stab at traditional Western/ Christian events/ culture as is everything the left does.

    I’m going to agree that there are people who say it just to get under traditionalist skin and so they can flaunt how “progressive” they are. I’ve seen ’em…they walk among us. They’re what I like to call Douchenozzles.

    But I can say that I at least say “Happy Holidays” simply to be inclusive. As I’ve said before, there’s three synagogues in my community as well as a mosque, numerous churches, and two covens. Heck, I obviously don’t celebrate or believe in Christmas myself, so why the frell would I make people assume I do? Saying  “Happy Holidays” is just a hell of a lot easier than trying to remember or figure out a customer’s preferred winter celebration. I don’t go around saying “Merry Solstice” or “Happy Yule” when dealing with the public (either as a worker or customer) for the same reason. I don’t know what they celebrate, so I use a catch-all as my default.

    Liked by 1 person

  8. Tarnished says:

    With people getting trampled, who wants to work in retail?

    Retail really isn’t so bad, until you get a Stupid or an Entitled in your store. The first is so shockingly moronic that you suspect they played exclusively with lead toys as a child. The second thinks that if you are behind a counter, you are lower than dirt and they can speak to you/treat you however they desire. This type is usually quick to prove that they stopped all emotional development somewhere around age 7 though, because these 25-50 year olds believe that throwing a literal tantrum is a legitimate way to act.

    Liked by 3 people

  9. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Tarn,
    Stupid and Entitled are everyday. It’s hard to tecover when cyou’re working long hours without a break.

    Liked by 3 people

  10. Tarnished says:

    Preaching to the choir, Fuzzie. Preaching to the choir. 😉

    Why do you think I’m ever so slightly insane? Needing to stay seemingly cheerful, smiling, and helpful for 8-10 hours a day, 6 days a week almost nonstop…something’s gotta give eventually. 😛

    Liked by 2 people

  11. Tarnished says:

    Do you also work in retail, bear?

    Liked by 1 person

  12. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Tarn,
    I have for most of my life. It is an exercise in patients and, we’ll all fail eventually.

    Liked by 1 person

  13. Tarnished says:

    exercise in patients

    Y’know, working at a comic shop, some of my “patients” could use a little exercise…
    😉

    Liked by 1 person

  14. Tarnished says:

    Is your job a chain, or a private store like mine? I’ve worked at both since I was 16, and greatly prefer small businesses.

    Liked by 1 person

  15. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Tarn,
    I worked for a small family owned store where the bulk of sale was Lotto in an upscale town for eithteen years. I am kind of retired now and have been for about five years.
    Loto is a stupid product. UIt’s stupid all the way around.

    Like

  16. Cill says:

    You sound like a good bloke there Fuzzy. Maybe some day we’ll catch up with each other and have a good time and relax.

    Liked by 2 people

  17. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Thank you, Cill.
    How goes the project?

    Like

  18. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Spawny Get,
    I watched the Rantzerker video. Those Honeybadgers do like to gab. The gold was in the off topic throwaways.

    Liked by 1 person

  19. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Off topic. I traded a couple of comments elsewhere with a guy who has pretty much resigned himself to living celibate because he feels that he is in a bad area. He is not in the least happy. I have to wonder how many guys out there are dropping out of the SMP for one reason or the other. Granted, I have read Milo’s Sexodus articles but, I haven’t heard the market convulse yet. Here it is, nearly Christmas, and all the girls will want boyfriends to give them presents. Why don’t I hear them howling?

    Like

  20. Spawny Get says:

    Eyemustardmit that such shows are something I listen to while doing something else. The HBB has been getting better, the talking over each other and echo stuff (both technical issues, not personnel ones) used to make them unlistenable to, but I think Google has improved the experience. Most of the time Alison tries to keep things in order. That’s fine, I’ve seen her work, she’s fine with me. She’s also attempting to herd honeybadgers…yikes. The smaller the group, the better the result is likely to be.

    The one in the HBB that I’d like to listen more to, but can’t because he’s usually off his trolley on something, or other, is Randomercam. I wish he’d put the alcofrol aside and deliver his excellent payload with precision. But I don’t think that he’s playing it up. And his heart is clearly in the right place…and his style does appeal to many that need reachng…so he’s fine by me too, at the end of the day. But I still can’t listen to him when he’s off on one.

    I’ve tried some other streams (by other groups) and have switched off because of the unfocused, self indulgent rambling just got on my nerves. Or worse, the feeling that you’re listening to a bunch of midwits on some chemical or other. Or just the infantile. DP is somewhere in there.

    I think that it shows that the professionals clearly have some special talent. I’m thinking of Tom Leykis here. With a side order of Milo. When he keeps the faggotry (I’m not intending this word as anything very bad. He uses the word on himself, after all) under control, he really is good.

    Liked by 1 person

  21. Spawny Get says:

    Fuzzie, if you’re still there…I’m playing with the google hangout stuff. You may have email via your ‘new’ account. I need to do some painting today, but if you want a quick spin to try out the possibilities

    Like

  22. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Spawny Get,
    It’s five o’clock in the morning here. I have to knock off.

    Liked by 1 person

  23. blurkel says:

    This Christ as some longhairedpeacelovinghippiepinkofag thing is not Biblical

    OH? This Christ as some kind of Rambo definitely isn’t! Allow me to add a little context:

    [From Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sell_your_cloak_and_buy_a_sword%5D

    At the Last Supper Jesus says:

    He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.”
    — Luke 22:36, NIV

    Jacques Ellul and John Howard Yoder do not believe Luke 22:36 overturns the many times Jesus urged his followers to turn the other cheek and not resist evil when confronted by violence during his Sermon on the Mount and years of ministry. They show when the passage is taken in context (Luke 22:36-38), Jesus is also aware of fulfilling prophecy and makes a surprising statement that two swords are “enough.”[1]

    He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. It is written: ‘And he was numbered with the transgressors’; and I tell you that this must be fulfilled in me. Yes, what is written about me is reaching its fulfillment.” The disciples said, “See, Lord, here are two swords.” “That’s enough!” he replied.
    — Gospel of Luke 22:36-38, NIV

    Ellul, Yoder and Archie Penner claim that two swords could not possibly have been “enough” to defend Jesus from his pending arrest, trial and execution, so their sole purpose must have been Jesus’ wish to fulfill a prophecy (Isaiah 53:9-12).[1] As Ellul explains:

    The further comment of Jesus explains in part the surprising statement, for he says: “It is necessary that the prophecy be fulfilled according to which I would be put in the ranks of criminals” (Luke 22:36-37). The idea of fighting with just two swords is ridiculous. The swords are enough, however, to justify the accusation that Jesus is the head of a band of brigands. We have to note here that Jesus is consciously fulfilling prophecy. If he were not the saying would make no sense.[2]

    This theory is further substantiated by Peter when Peter draws one of the swords a few hours later at Jesus’ arrest in the Garden of Gethsemane, slashing the ear of Malchus, one of the priests’ servants, and Jesus rebukes him saying: “Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.”(Matthew 26:52)[1]

    [Which I have cited already]

    Resuming:

    Jameisson, Fausset and Brown unabridged indicates, …And He said to them, It is enough- not ‘Two swords will suffice,’ but ‘Enough of this for the present.’ The warning had been given, and preparation for coming dangers hinted at; but as His meaning had not been apprehended in the comprehensive sense in which it was meant, He wished to leave the subject.[3]

    [And we see today that His meaning remains uncomprehended in the comprehensive sense.]

    One last comment:

    Motyer, Stibbs and Wiseman in New Bible Commentary:Revised Third Edition states:

    35-38- Finally, Jesus spoke of the new situation. Formerly, when the Disciples had gone out, on mission, they had not lacked anything. Now they would need a purse, a bag and even a sword. The saying is heavily ironical, for Jesus knew that now He would have to face universal opposition and be put to death. But the disciples misunderstood Him and produced weapons. ‘That is enough’, said Jesus to end a conversation which they had failed to understand. The way of Jesus, as they should have known, was not the way of the sword, but of love.[4]

    References

    1-Christoyannopoulos, Alexandre (2010). Christian Anarchism: A Political Commentary on the Gospel. Exeter: Imprint Academic. pp. 109–110. “Two swords could not possibly have been ‘enough’ to defend Jesus from his pending arrest, trial and execution, so their sole purpose must have been Jesus’ wish to fulfill a prophecy”

    2-Ellul, Jacques (1988). Anarchy and Christianity. p. 64. “The further comment of Jesus explains in part the surprising statement, for he says: ‘It is necessary that the prophecy be fulfilled according to which I would be put in the ranks of criminals’ (Luke 22:36-37). The idea of fighting with just two swords is ridiculous. The swords are enough, however, to justify the accusation that Jesus is the head of a band of brigands. We have to note here that Jesus is consciously fulfilling prophecy. If he were not the saying would make no sense”

    3-Robert Jamieson, A.R.Faussett and David Brown A Commentary, Critical, Experimental, and Practical on the Old and New Testaments Volume 3, Part One. William B. Erdsmans Publishing Company, Grand Rapids Michigan, reprinted 1976,p.329 notes pertaining to Luke 22 vss 35 and 36

    4- D.Guthrie, J.A. Motyer, A.M. Stibbs, D.J Wiseman, The New Bible Commentary:Revised Third Edition Guideposts, Carmel New York. p 921 in reference to Luke 22:35-38

    I tend to side with the Biblical scholars listed here regarding whether “This Christ as some longhairedpeacelovinghippiepinkofag” was Biblical. RamboChrist is so very Old Testamental.

    Like

  24. BuenaVista says:

    Secularists, and ‘boyfriend Jesus’ proponents, tend to cherry-pick their Scripture to reflect their agenda (the emasculation of Christianity to serve a political, or socio-political agenda); fundamentalists who subscribe to what I term an equally false agenda of talking-point Christianity (also for political, socio-political goals that they wish to impose on others) often do the same.

    What typically is denied in any discussion of 1) a muscular Christianity, in which Jesus is both master and commander, as well as generous Redeemer; and 2) an effeminate, blasphemous Christianity in which Jesus counsels prostration and victimization, is this. Scripture is innately ambiguous, and doubt is central to faith. It is both corrupt to assert a Christian obligation to war against nonbelievers, as it is to assert a Christian obligation to submit to whichever authorities have, today, primary power.

    This is made plain, for example, in Peter’s call to followers to submit to their own evisceration by the Romans as a pathway to faith. But Peter also demands that we honor the higher authority of a triune God, and not merely, and slavishly accept the false authority of the civitas. It is also made plain, this ambiguity, by Christ’s plaintive cry from the cross: “Why hast thou forsaken me, Lord?” If even Jesus questions the ways of God to man, in extremis, how are we to take away any certainties, other than the obligation to accept the paradoxical command to faith, when faith can neither be achieved (solely) by reason, or rote obedience to whatever catechism a given Christian organization has imposed?

    Ephesians discusses how, at best, a Christian attempts to be a “steward” of the unknown; how we cannot judge ourselves in any event; how in faith, if we are fortunate, we can only hope to discover a few of the dark pathways of our yearning hearts.

    The tension, then, between the known and unknown, the sacred and the misleading, undergirds all scripture. It is as simple as recognizing the awesome power, and unforgiving judgment of our “jealous God”, who is merciless, and promises not merely to condemn heretics, but generations after generations of a heretic’s family. He is the lawgiver — and yet he sends his Son to ransom our sins.

    It is only in death that we discover our potential for perfection, and then only according to judgment we neither understand and control. This frustrates rationalists, who in their materialism and egotism, demand the excising of the unknowable from any faith. Jefferson famously did this in his edited Bible, a document claimed now by non-Christian Unitarians, as an enhanced Bible for the smartset.

    In the end, the cost of discipleship is death, and inevitably we will be called upon to sacrifice in our own small way. Life is only achieved in death; faith only accrues through acceptance of doubt; our trivial efforts to make manifest a faithful existence for ourselves and others inevitably produce conflict. But again, there is no silver lining playbook for active, thoughtful Christians. We have a few rules laid down without compromise by the Lawgiver; and we have the promise of forgiveness for inevitable failure, provided by the Redeemer.

    When Bonhoeffer, who had escaped the Nazis and was comfortably installed in the safety of Union Theological Seminary, returned to Germany to minister to the people, he was committing treasonous violence against the Nazis. Of course they hanged him, which he knew they would, but his faith gave him no choice. Whether it be by violent force or the insurrection of Christian thought, there is no question that our agency, under God, requires us to resist utterly any usurper of the higher laws. And there will be, always will be, blood.

    Luther had every reason to expect his own bodily destruction when he denounced what he saw as the corruption of faith by its primary authorities (the one true self-proclaimed apostolic Christian Church). He pounded those theses bodily, and violently, onto the cathedral door.

    ***

    I think Farmboy extrapolates too much from the Texas politician. He was just saying that he was fed-up with a culture that transforms a Christian greeting (“Merry Christmas”) into a meaningless, secular paen to PC, irreligious nonsense. That has a lot less to do with any Christian bigotry than it does with his resentment of not being able to take his faith into the public square. He rejects the elevation of a secular, pseudo-religion of political multiculturalism. We say, derisively, that we reject a “happy wife, happy life” rule for socio-sexual relations, because it is merely another way of saying “shut up and do what the woman tells you to do.” Well, the multicultural imperative is telling Christians “shut up and replace your faith with socially superior programming.” If secularism were such a hot ticket solution, it wouldn’t have to forbid Christian dissent in the marketplace of competing faiths. The Romans attempted the same, unsuccessfully, it seems.

    Liked by 4 people

  25. Farm Boy says:

    I think Farmboy extrapolates too much from the Texas politician

    That would be author Blurkel

    Liked by 1 person

  26. BuenaVista says:

    Whoops, my bad Blurkel and FB. Time for more coffee.

    ***

    Another example of the corruption of Christian teaching to reflect socio-political agendas:

    I’ve been reading Luther’s Small Catechism this week. The volume I have (produced by the Missouri Synod, an ostensibly sola scriptura denomination) has 50 pp. on Luther — and 100 pp. of the Lutheran Church’s “Explanation” of same. By and large the latter is useful I think. But consider this.

    The Bible proscribes, but really doesn’t describe, “sexual immorality.” (Well, the exception is adultery, obviously, or simply covetous lust.) Talking point Christians, and the Missouri Synod, are fine with defining it for us: don’t mess with the same sex, and reserve heterosexual sex for procreative sex within marriage. I don’t think it’s a stretch to say that this is well-meaning and simultaneously false. Does the current socio-sexual landscape reflect anything resembling that which we see in the Bible? Are people like me actually to live a celibate existence because I happened to be dropped into a world in which marriage has been corrupted by government and secularists? If I fall in love with a Christian woman, someone I can honor and support, while refusing to subject myself (again) to the intrusions of the State, am I to walk away from her? Is that what God wants?

    Certainly that’s what mainstream pastoral teaching would be. I’m not so sure it’s not a sin to deny a human relationship that accomplishes everything but re-enrolling me in a cash-prizes-the-children-are-mine regime.

    Tradcons and feminists disagree, of course. But I never found any language in Scripture that admonishes me to “man up and marry that slut.”

    Is it an expression of faith, in the area of socio-sexual relations, for me to seal myself off from humanity because I choose not to again be a self-sacrificing, self-destructive buffoon in thrall to the feminist agenda? If we live in this world, should we choose self-immolation, simply to serve as the bridge between the secular destruction of marriage and the Biblical rejection of “sexual immorality?” Perhaps, but I don’t find any direction to do so in Scripture.

    “Sexual immorality”, of course, saturates most functioning marriages, besides. It does because sex (it’s withholding or diminishment) is used by women to discipline, punish, and control husbands. Not a lot of Lutheran pastors are willing to put this little issue on the table.

    Liked by 4 people

  27. A few years back I started to notice customers barking “merry Christmas” in a double dog dare type way as they headed out the door. I don’t watch television so it took me awhile to figure out they had been stirred up by a news channel and “the war on Christmas.” Their demeanor was quite hostile when they said it, not merry at all. I do admit I usually say “happy holidays” to folks at my biz not because I don’t believe in Christmas, but because I don’t know what their beliefs are. So it seems “safer.” Maybe that’s chicken of me… I dunno. Faith is a very personal thing for me, I don’t usually discuss it except with those closest to be but I do believe very deeply.

    Liked by 5 people

  28. SFC Ton says:

    Scholars are pussies and of course are going to make Christ over in their image. After all thats how they gain status, not as being men but defining down masculinity

    Liked by 1 person

  29. SFC Ton says:

    The Christ as a hippie crowd also likes to leave out the day He made a whip and drove out the money lenders. Christ needed to die to fulfill His mission; we are commanded to turn the other check when slapped, not roll over and let people destroy etc as they wish.

    In my bar and grange it’s Merry Christmas or take your bidness somewhere else. So far we have had 0 complaints ( though the garage isn’t making money this time of year because folks are spending money on other stuff. Seems to be universal so I am not worried)

    BV’s last post hits home as that is the decision I made, then throw the poly thing on top of it… well a lot of Christians claim its a sin but cannot quote chapter and verse. Most folks faith is an extension of social programming and not an understanding of actual Biblical principles, scholars not expected

    As you can tell I have an utter disdain for professional scholars. Most know jack shit about their topic of choice but they can quote a bunch of other scholars who mostly knew jack shit about it

    Liked by 1 person

  30. SFC Ton says:

    Also BV should post more esp on issues around Faith

    Liked by 2 people

  31. Spawny Get says:

    I’m not interested in religion, but as long as people don’t start banishing each other to hell…doesn’t worry me.

    FTR I have recently wished multiple people ‘Merry Christmas’ because it’s a very good bet that they’re Christian at some level (very probably low) and I genuinely want them to have a good time celebrating a faith that I see, where I live, when I live, to be a vague force in a mostly positive direction. I view my country as being post-religious, or it was until recently. But that’s unproductive line of discussion.

    Liked by 5 people

  32. SFC Ton says:

    I wasn’t think he should do so here Spawny

    Like

  33. SFC Ton says:

    though how is that post religious working out for y’all? Compare to your days of religion and greatest empire the world has ever seen or likely ever will

    Like

  34. Cill says:

    Some people are predisposed to belief in supernatural beings. I’m not. Some people are predisposed to criticism of Christianity and Western civilization, almost as a matter of rite.

    Where did this predisposition to criticism of christianity come from? It’s interesting. I have not found it in other cultures or religions.

    It was very much present in Victorian times, and back in the days of William Pitt the Younger, and back further still. Perhaps it goes all the way back to Jesus. Perhaps he built it into the religion he started, like a suicide gene.

    I’m not at all irreligious, but I am un-religious. From a non-religious viewpoint, the religion I respect most is Christianity. I prefer “merry Christmas” to “happy holiday”, and maybe that’s because I lack the suicide gene.

    Liked by 1 person

  35. Liz says:

    I like Christmas. Although, to be honest, there have been years I haven’t like it so much…my enjoyment of Christmas is kind of inversely related to the amount of mandatory work I have to do (not the actual work…if it isn’t mandatory, I enjoy the work, for instance last night’s party was awesome, and a lot of work….a lot of work cleaning ahead of me, but it was worth it). Really Christmas can be stressful for a lot of folks, and I’ve had years like that.
    I think the commercialism gets a lot of people down, and the “obligation” aspects to it (anyone else have a lot of “gifts” on hand just in case someone buys you something and you have to reciprocate quickly?). If I had to work retail and listen to Christmas songs non-stop, I’d probably go insane. And I really like Christmas songs.

    I’ve even come to love Christmas lights. I didn’t use to, but Mike is the one in charge of the outside of the house and I’m in charge of the inside for Christmas. So, the inside usually doesn’t match the out. Inside is more Martha Stewart. Outside…well, Mike is seriously into tacky Christmas bling. Picture this: Entire house and exterior shrubbery in lights. Blow up rocket Santa on the roof, snoopy airplane on the second floor, Another blow up Santa next to the door with a Christmas “welcome” bear and illuminated Christmas ducks, and some dueling ninja gingerbread men lit up on the back of the boat. Yeah. It’s. A LOT.
    But kind of endearing. 🙂

    Christmas is the biggest church day of the year, for most denominations. There’s also the buildup (vacations, planning get togethers, thinking about others, and family, and so forth)
    Even if you take the Christian context away, the holiday still, for many Americans, means something far greater than hitting the mall to pick up a trinket for someone in the White Elephant gift exchange. It’s a magical time for children in particular, and also a time to revel in the goodness of people that we often miss. It’s a time to remember that some people don’t have it as good as we, and time to spend precious moments with those we love.

    Liked by 5 people

  36. Liz says:

    Oops…not just Americans. People of the Western European culture. Didn’t intend to leave you folks over the pond out. 🙂
    I spent some time in Germany during the Christmas season a while back (and of course Italy too). They really know how to do Christmas right! Loved it. 🙂

    Liked by 4 people

  37. Spawny Get says:

    “Some people are predisposed to belief in supernatural beings. I’m not.”
    Yep. Same for me. The whole concept seems fantastical to me. Because I grew up in a culture that made only paltry attempts at forcing it on me, my reaction to it was mild. Nowadays it comes down to smiling in a friendly manner as I shut the door on jehovah witnesses. If the knocked a few times a day, every day…my reaction would escalate to whatever bad language it would take them to fuck off.

    Liked by 2 people

  38. Spawny Get says:

    Fröhliche Weihnachten, Lizchen

    Liked by 3 people

  39. Liz says:

    Jehovah Witnesses do not celebrate Christmas. And I had no idea they have ’em over in Great Britain! They liked to wake me on mornings after a serious of night shifts.
    I have a ‘no solicitors’ sign made just for them. But they never cared, and kept knocking anyway. I eventually figured out that the military stickers scared them away, however. 😉

    What I don’t understand is the people who like Halloween but not Christmas. Okay, shrimp cocktail dressed up to look like bloody fingers and a makeshift graveyard in the front of the home is swell, but not a nativity scene? Takes all sorts I guess.

    Liked by 2 people

  40. Liz says:

    series of night shifts, intended to say.

    Liked by 1 person

  41. SFC Ton says:

    LOL I have won second place twice for my Christmas decorations. I do a candy-land/ ginger bread house theme. I love it. Then I have a tree in three different rooms, each themed

    Not doing gifts has taken the hassle out of it all. Like I said we send gifts but is food gifts for the family, we do one per here in the more immediate family, max of $50. This is also when I do my major charity giving;most political in nature, gun rights groups, anti immigration groups, dog rescue… not any generic groups for people though. I dislike who they give my money too

    Loved Christmas in Germany and Easter in Spain

    Liked by 3 people

  42. SFC Ton says:

    Also I don’t think Christmas became such a big deal in the USA until the Germans showed up but I wouldn’t wager any money on it

    Liked by 2 people

  43. SFC Ton says:

    in my area the jw’s are black so a good dog keeps them at bay

    Like

  44. Liz says:

    “LOL I have won second place twice for my Christmas decorations. I do a candy-land/ ginger bread house theme. I love it. Then I have a tree in three different rooms, each themed”

    That’s awesome, Ton! 🙂

    I tease Mike it’s the pagan/Viking in him that likes the decorations aspect so much. 😉

    Liked by 2 people

  45. Liz says:

    Just as a side note, back in band camp we debated religion for a couple of years until it was decided that dueling Bible quotes was a little like dueling banjos, and since the site owners were atheists it wasn’t very productive, so they stopped allowing religious debate for that reason.

    But it was kind of amazing to me when a poster would shime into one of those discussions and preface their remark with an “I’m not a Christian” and then proceed to lecture Christians on how they should act and believe as true Christians.

    Liked by 6 people

  46. Liz says:

    More often than not, there was a kind of “you’re foolish and childish to believe this anyway”, “but this is the way you should do it”.

    Liked by 3 people

  47. Yoda says:

    “Happy Holidays” instead of “Merry Christmas” a small “Cultural Marxism” it is.
    Add up all these do.
    The true problem this is

    Liked by 4 people

  48. Spawny Get says:

    “For me, two things had to happen to want to stay in the European Union. One was a fundamental change in Britain’s relationship with the European Union but more importantly a change in direction for the EU itself, away from the concept of ever closer union and towards a much more independence and looser association of sovereign states, and that’s clearly not going to happen.”

    “It’s very clear from the discussions that are going on in Europe, the other European leaders are making it very clear that they intend to move towards an ever closer union and I think that’s against Britain’s national interest.”

    PM Told: Drop The ‘Begging Bowl’ – Just Lead Britain Out Of The EU
    The interviewer (Marr) is on and of the BBC and he’s a lefty fucknugget…but I repeat myself

    Liked by 2 people

  49. Spawny Get says:

    David Cameron’s FAKE EU Re-Negotiations Won’t End Well For Him

    Liked by 2 people

  50. I love outdoor lights but rarely have them myself bc I don’t like ladders. This year though a friend gave me several totes of lights and so w help from a local handyman who did the ladder stuff, my place is now a candy and lane, all red and white. People have even been stopping to take pictures! Christmas lights make me happy, so I hope they make all the folks driving too and from work in the dark happy too!

    Liked by 5 people

  51. Tarnished says:

    But it was kind of amazing to me when a poster would shime into one of those discussions and preface their remark with an “I’m not a Christian” and then proceed to lecture Christians on how they should act and believe as true Christians.

    “True” Christians? Lol. Which ones would those be? There’s denominations!

    What I don’t like are when Christians show up at my doorstep telling me “You should believe this because Reason X, Y, Z” but then are completely dismissive or even rude when I say I already have a faith. Telling someone they’re going to Hell/are spiritually ignorant/are morally corrupt unless they go to your particular church isn’t a good way to sway people to your religion. 😛

    Surprisingly, the Jehovah Witnesses this year have been very nice and understanding, so I’ve been taking their pamphlets and having decent conversations. The Fundamentalists, on the other hand…

    Liked by 3 people

  52. Tarnished says:

    I don’t like ladders either, Bloom. Fallen off too many due to my stepfather being an ass, and my balance is iffy sometimes regardless. Step ladders are ok though, so I put garlands along the windows, on my mantle, etc.

    Liked by 3 people

  53. Liz says:

    I don’t like it when anyone shows up and my doorstep to sell me anything. Not an idea, not a kerby vacuum cleaner, not a set of encyclopedias, not religion.
    They came around about twice a week in the neighborhood I lived (outside the base) in New Mexico. I’d get home after a 13+ hour shift, drive the kids to school while imbibing my nightime theraflu to get me off to zzz land as soon as I got home (and hope I wouldn’t get a call to say they needed me to deliver their lunch because they forgot to bring it or something), then inevitably (ding dong, knock knock, knock). Dogs go crazy barking, I can’t ignore it because I’m now awake. Go to the door.

    Some Jehovah’s witness (or Mo) standing there. I open the door in my PJs with dark circles under my eyes and tell them to go away, pointing to the ‘no solicitor’ sign. They stare at me blankly and I slam the door and try to get back to sleep so I won’t have a med error from sleep deprivation in the oncoming shift because I have to get up to pick the kids up from school in…three hours. And I could never get back to sleep. Bah humbug indeed.

    Liked by 4 people

  54. SFC Ton says:

    Of course you don’t want to offend and are scart Bloom, you are a girl after all

    Liked by 1 person

  55. SFC Ton says:

    I was watching a sow with Vikings in it, well pretend Vikings but anyrate they are in a tight spot and call out the Berserkers…. all the guys playing Berserkers are European Strongmen and Power Lifters which was cool on a couple of levels, #1 they look like they can actually fuck shit up vs actors who just look gay; #2, clearly I know a few of them personally and all by face/ reputation as lifters and men so its cool to see people you know having work/ doing cool stuff and #3 they were sporting fake tattoos which I have for real. Each had at least two of the runes I have, all had the war rune and one more.

    Pretty realistic for tv/ movie land

    Liked by 2 people

  56. BuenaVista says:

    Spawny, perhaps I misread your comment. But I simply reflected on the OP’s deliberate (and highly inaccurate, theologically illiterate, and racist) remarks on Christianity. Christianity may not matter to a lot of people, and that’s not my department. I’m not sure how a Christian apologetic implies “banishing people to hell.” I think a closer reading of what I wrote was that (through Biblical reference) I denied absolutely the wisdom of any fallen human attempting to judge either himself or anyone else.

    The more curious aspect of this is that the blog publishes an OP that “banishes” Christians to imbecility and hypocrisy. Someone suggests otherwise and were hearing about the boundary conditions of acceptable speech..

    ***

    Errata: I referenced Ephesians. It’s really Corinthians 4:1-5.

    ***

    In regard to the OP’s discussion of Christianity as an “Old Testament” religion: actually that would be Judaism. There is no Christianity that excises the NT. So the OP is total bullshit on this count.

    ***

    In regard to the Bible advising a soft-focus lovey-dovey outlook on miscreants: Jesus demands our fear, and he is happy to strong-arm you:

    Luke 1:50-51:

    “And his mercy is on them that fear him from generation to generation. He hath showed strength with his arm; he hath scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts.”

    ***

    In regard to the hypocrisy of Christianity properly being a religion of social peace, haha. Christianity sustains no suicide pacts. Christianity is no religion of Gandhi’s passive resistance — it’s just been turned into one by churchians, cultural marxists, feminists, and politicians.

    Revelation 19:11-21. FMI, direct your questions to Ton:

    “I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose ride is called Faithful and True. With justice He judges and makes war.

    “… He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and His Name is the Word of God.

    “… Out of his mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations. ‘He will rule them with an iron scepter.” He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God Almighty.’

    The passage quickly becomes gruesome and specific: “… so that you may eat the flesh of kings, generals, and might men, of horses and their riders … The rest of them were killed with the sword that came out of the mouth of the rider on the horse, and all the birds gorged themselves on their flesh.”

    ***

    Look, it doesn’t matter to me one whit if the blog does not want theologically illiterate indictments of Christianity to be challenged. It’s not my blog. I was a secularist for decades and am familiar with the arguments. But ridiculing 2B people for their spiritual life because some minor Texas politician is tired of secular bullying from the multiculturalists begs a response. I’m fine if no one’s interested in my response. I was simply attempting to reply on the merits.

    Liked by 2 people

  57. Spawny Get says:

    Hi BV,
    I didn’t read your comment, nor indeed the post in detail. I was making a statement of my attitude to save any worry from Bloom etc. Bloom has previously been concerned about religion being mentioned here. I had to remind Fuzzie that he was welcome to post links wherever yesterday. Just thought I’d address religion too.

    I don’t do religion. And I don’t get the American attitude to it. So as long as there’s no flame wars, I’m fine with the discussion occurring.

    Liked by 2 people

  58. Yoda says:

    With people getting trampled, who wants to work in retail?

    A bear would be trampled not

    Liked by 2 people

  59. BuenaVista says:

    My attitude toward religion, ironically here, is decidedly British. For it was C.S. Lewis who opened the magical wardrobe, and gave me a rational basis for continuing.

    There is no uniform American attitude toward ‘religion.’ We do believe that we have natural right to our own rights and liberties, and the country separated itself from kingly domination by, first, asserting these natural rights of conscience and self determination. Beyond that, its the usual stew of anarchical, American impulse.

    If Bloom dislikes talk of theology, perhaps she should skip the rare discussion of it.

    Incidentally, a growing contingent of questioning americans subscribe to Bonhoeffer’s notion of a ‘religionless’ faith. To those, ‘religious’ and ‘faithful’ are not at all synonymous. Religion has always been corrupted by culture and power. It is, here. As it is everywhere else.

    Like

  60. Spawny Get says:

    The American attitude to rights sounds good to me. The stew too.

    No, no. Bloom was worried that I’d be upset by religious talk on ‘my’ blog (it’s actually more a group effort).

    I’m not aware of any issue for us to argue about…peace

    Like

  61. Indeed Spawny I do not have any objections to theology discussions (and quite enjoy them, actually) I just didnt want to foist that on others. Perhaps I am too timid but forcing my beliefs (strongly held) on others has never been my cup of tea. Maybe it’s part of the American Southwest culture in which I was raised, don’t ask too many questions about how someone makes a living (many were smugglers) and don’t talk religion or politics.

    Liked by 2 people

  62. P.s. I just had to politely endure 45 minutes of the most pro Hill@rry rambling ever, from a customer. I never agreed or disagreed but egads it was hard to bite my tongue!

    Liked by 2 people

  63. And actually I didn’t totally, I floated the idea that perhaps hill does not have the wide support it seems, based on what I am hearing from those who one would thing would back her (middle age + women) but I was very tactful about it…

    Liked by 1 person

  64. blurkel says:

    @ Ton

    Why is a burly cobber like you so afraid of a longhairedpeacelovinghippiepinkofag that most rational Christian people believe in? It’s not like you are going to be forced to perform the Caitlyn Manoeuvre or let you get busted in a prostitution sting wearing a French Maid’s costume!

    Der Fuehrer had half the balls you do, and look what he accomplished! Why, Yeshua bar Yusuf will even let you keep your firearms! He knows that few people really follow what he said anyway, so what’s to fear? You’ve already got the drop on him!

    So don’t worry. Your Kill-or-be-killed world is on the way. I might not live long enough to see it, but you certainly will! It remains to be seen if you will still be around when it finally ends.

    Like

  65. blurkel says:

    Compare to your days of religion and greatest empire the world has ever seen or likely ever will

    No faith in the good Ol’ USA? I think that your nation would whip the Romans with both hands tied behind.

    Like

  66. blurkel says:

    I simply reflected on the OP’s deliberate (and highly inaccurate, theologically illiterate, and racist) remarks on Christianity.

    “If I said something wrong, testify as to what is wrong. But if I spoke the truth, why did you strike me?”

    Like

  67. Farm Boy says:

    There is a new post

    Like

  68. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Liz,
    Mike has a welcoming bear? Not that I am biased but, that’s cool!

    Bloom.
    I am sorry some woman put you through that. It may help to say that Hillary is a either loved or hated and there is no middle ground. For myself, I am trying to ignore her. I am hope that she won’t get nominated, similar to 2008.

    Spawny Get,
    What will get the UK out of the EU will be more terrorist activity. Sad to say.

    Liked by 2 people

  69. SFC Ton says:

    What fear? The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom and I despise that depiction of Christ because it is false and self serving; all men should despise falsehoods

    the usa is not an empire nor do I care for the usa; I am Southern and only “american” by force of arms. I hate the usa as I hate all lies

    Like

  70. Spawny Get says:

    “but I was very tactful about it…”
    Even if I were super tactful, my opinion on her would be…intemperate…very

    Like

  71. Yoda says:

    Had the correct positions he did,

    Spreading the message of progressivism was the job of the firm’s founder and president, Trevor FitzGibbon. But it didn’t stop him from being a sexist lout who preyed upon women. Per the Huffington Post’s reporting, the allegations of prospective employee Sierra Pedraja inspired many others who had experienced similar harassment and abuse from FitzGibbon, some of them his own employees. And he is hardly alone.

    Vox’s Emily Crockett used a perfect phrase to describe workplaces like FitzGibbon Media: “putatively progressive.” Too often, it is assumed that the people who wear progressive labels put those ideals into practice in their personal and professional lives. FitzGibbon is an extreme example disproving that assumption, but this should be an alarm, particularly for men to examine themselves, especially liberals. They need to stop believing that liberalism elevates us over the possibility of being sexist, because that’s a Republican thing. Nor should we assume progressivism based upon a few nice tweets, rah-rah columns, or even actual work for liberal causes. FitzGibbon just showed that such work can be used in service not of ideals, but one’s own ego

    https://newrepublic.com/minutes/126412/yes-can-liberal-sexual-abuser

    Like

Comments are closed.

%d bloggers like this: